Sentry #1
Posted by Tom Lynch on January 10, 2001 at 15:06:18:

Having finally noticed on What's New that this book hasn't been 
covered...

Largely flashbacks again, but a possible continuity problem; there's 
an flashback to a battle between the Void and the Avengers; this is 
the Avengers after Cap joined before the first major shakeup. But 
the Sentry's costume is the one before the change in the Sentry/X-Men 
flashback.

How well this can fit in, I don't know - when did Cap get thawed out, 
with regard to the X-Men's second battle against Magneto?

Nevertheless...
SENTRY PRESENT:
Sentry (Robert Reynolds)
Lindy Reynolds
Watchdog
Void-as-Watchdog (it may be that there is only Void-As-Watchdog in 
the present section, but I'd say the first few panels at least are 
Watchdog. Void's eruption from Watchdog may be a hallucination, but 
given what Void's manifested as so far, it's doubtful)

FB 1
Robert Reynolds (soon to be the Sentry)
A bully called Buzz
A girl who may or may not be Lindy.
This flashback is the origin and runs, broken up by cuts back to the 
present, for three pages - Robbie discovers secret formula, Robbie 
flattens a bully, Lindy(?) begins to develop feelings for Robbie, 
Robbie sews a suit. The implication, despite the interruptions, is 
that this is all one episode (Startling Stories again, 12 cents, no 
issue number evident) - it looks like a Stan Lee origin.

Two panel flashbacks follow almost immediately. Both feature only the 
Sentry; the first names Spiderman in a thought bubble, the second may 
be a closing panel for the origin. But I doubt it; would Stan ever 
have written a speech bubble with no exclamation mark or question 
mark in it?

The next major flashback runs as follows:
IRON MAN
THOR
WASP
GIANT-MAN
CAPTAIN AMERICA
Void-as-man (with fedora)
SENTRY

Another flashback; now, however, Sentry's outfit has changed. It's 
the same costume as Sentry/X-Men, and the formula is injected rather 
than ingested this time
SENTRY
Unnamed professor - apparently the one who devised the formula in 
the first place.

No other flashbacks occur in the book

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X-Men Unlimited #28
Posted by Paul O'Brien on January 10, 2001 at 15:17:58:

Two stories here, both fairly simple indexing jobs.

First story:
The Russian government infect mutant scientist Ivan Kivelski with a 
virus designed to kill him.  Instead of killing him off, it turns 
him into the even-more-superpowered (but very ill) supervillain the 
Black Death.  (Look, it's X-Men Unlimited, alright?)

On discovering that the Beast is in Russia, Kivelski takes mental 
control of Darkstar (??) and gets her to bring the Beast to him.  
Not surprisingly, the X-Men beat her, and they all gang up to beat 
him.  Gripping stuff, as I'm sure you can imagine.

This story takes place between UX 383-384, the only gap during the 
X-Men's Russian visit.  The team also refer to having completed 
Gambit's debt of honour mission, which happened in UX 383.  The 
X-Men appearing are Gambit, Storm, Phoenix, the Beast and Cable, 
all of whom fit into that gap.  Darkstar appears between Thunderbolts 
#25 and Maximum Security #1 (where she's seen on a video screen).  
The Black Death has made no other appearances (no, surely not).

Second story:
This is a Deadpool story which was intended as a trailer for the 
Jimmy Palmiotti run.  It takes place between Deadpool #45-46 and 
picks up with Deadpool homeless and penniless, following the events 
of Deadpool #45.  Deadpool digs up a grave where he buried a woman 
with some stolen money several years before, and reminisces in 
flashback about how it got there.  Deadpool's chronology for this 
period is presumably:

DPOOL3 45
XMU 28/2
WLV 154
WLV 155
DPOOL3 46

The flashback is a film noir pastiche featuring no other established 
characters.  The date is given as "three years ago."  Deadpool (in 
costume and working as a mercenary) is hired to kill Jack Krush, a 
criminal who had stolen some money from his employer.  He kills Krush, 
takes his motel room key, and goes to the room to recover the money.  
In the room he finds a girl called Sandee (sic) and an unnamed man, 
and does a runner with Sandee and the money.  The man goes after 
Deadpool, Deadpool kills him, and it turns out he's Sandee's father.  
Sandee, we're told, goes insane and kills herself.  Deadpool arranges 
the funeral and buries the stolen money with her.

Deadpool is actually relatively stable and sane in this flashback, 
which suggests that it fits fairly early in his career.

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Some pretty minor corrections and additions...
Posted by Prime Eternal on January 10, 2001 at 16:36:02:

First off, I noticed that X-Force#93 is listed under Argos' 
chronology. This is false- it is actually Odysseus Indigo who 
appears (this issue is missing from Indigo's chronology).

Second, X-Force#97 has a flashback which depicts the creation of 
the Damocles Foundation 1000 years ago. Depicted are Electryon, 
Astarte, Odysseus Indigo, and Ulysses Dragonblood (plus several 
unfamiliar characters).

Third, I finally checked out Spectacular Spider-Man Annual#8, and 
found that not only do all 12 Young Gods appear in the main story, 
but Genii, Daydreamer, Mindsinger, Varua, Brightsword & Harvest 
also appear in the second feature. This should be added to all 
six characters' chronologies.

Fourth, I found more appearances by the Celestials (I'm sure 
you're giddy with excitement). Arishem also appears in X-Factor#48-49. 
The One Above All also appears in X-Factor#48-50. Ziran also appears 
in X-Factor#48-50. Gammenon appears in X-Factor#43-46, 48-50. These 
should be added to all their chronologies.

Michael Hoskin

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About POWERHOUSE II & IV...
Posted by PaxHouse on January 11, 2001 at 12:42:46:

The female mutant that made her 1st App. in SPIDER-MAN #15 is the 
same one in WOLVERINE #133.  Also, Alex Power AKA POWERHOUSE III 
made an appearance in NEW WARRIORS #74...

PaxHouse.

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And speaking of NEW WARRIORS #74...
Posted by PaxHouse on January 11, 2001 at 12:57:10:
In Reply to: About POWERHOUSE II & IV...
posted by PaxHouse on January 11, 2001 at 12:42:46:

Here's the follow list of heroes and villians that made their 
appearances in NEW WARRIORS #74, along with POWERHOUSE III ...

RAGE, NIGHT THRASHER, NAMORITA (then KYMAERA), PROTOCAL, GENERAL 
OBSIDIAN, JUSTICE, FIRESTAR, SPEEDBALL(I), TURBO I, HINDSIGHT, 
VOLX, GARTHAN SAAL/NOVA...

These are the ones that I'm positive about their appearances, and 
I'll be back later to post more of the rest...

PaxHouse.

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Re: And speaking of NEW WARRIORS #74...
Posted by PaxHouse</a> on January 11, 2001 at 19:55:17:
In Reply to: And speaking of NEW WARRIORS #74...
posted by PaxHouse on January 11, 2001 at 12:57:10:

: Here's the follow list of heroes and villians that made their 
appearances in NEW WARRIORS #74, along with POWERHOUSE III ...

: RAGE, NIGHT THRASHER, NAMORITA (then KYMAERA), PROTOCAL, GENERAL 
OBSIDIAN, JUSTICE, FIRESTAR, SPEEDBALL(I), TURBO I, HINDSIGHT, 
VOLX, GARTHAN SAAL/NOVA...

: These are the ones that I'm positive about their appearances, and 
I'll be back later to post more of the rest...

...And here are the rest for NW #74...

TIMESLIP, RICHARD RIDER(NOVA I), SPARROW(FAST), DRY, LIGHT, HEAVY, 
LEFT, RIGHT, SMARTSHIP FRIDAY.

Annnnd that'll take care of everything for NEW WARRIORS #74...

PaxHouse.

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Re: And speaking of NEW WARRIORS #74...
Posted by Flank McLargehuge on January 12, 2001 at 03:46:11:
In Reply to: Re: And speaking of NEW WARRIORS #74...
posted by PaxHouse on January 11, 2001 at 19:55:17:

: TIMESLIP, RICHARD RIDER(NOVA I), SPARROW(FAST), DRY, LIGHT, HEAVY, 
LEFT, RIGHT, SMARTSHIP FRIDAY.

"Heavy" and "Left?"  Do you mean Dark (as in Light and Dark, not 
Light and Heavy) and Wrong (as in Right and Wrong rather than Right 
and Left)?

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Thanks for the Corrections, Flank...
Posted by PaxHouse on January 12, 2001 at 12:58:16:
In Reply to: Re: And speaking of NEW WARRIORS #74...
posted by Flank McLargehuge on January 12, 2001 at 03:46:11:

....Those Soldiers of Misfortune's names are always so blasted 
confusing...!!  ;o) 

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Peter Parker Spider-Man #26 flashbacks
Posted by Paul Bourcier on January 13, 2001 at 21:19:45:

Last month's Peter Parker Spider-Man #26 featured a number of 
flashback sequences, including two about which I'm curious...

One flashback is a re-telling of the scene from ASM 90 in which 
George Stacy dies.

The other flashback is a re-telling of the scene from ASM 121-122 
in which Gwen Stacy dies.

Both flashbacks are seen from the points of view of policemen who 
witnessed the events and thus new material is seen.

Does anyone know how these flashbacks dovetail, panel-by-panel, with 
the original stories?

Sad to say, I don't have ASM 90, 121, or 122, but I'd appreciate the 
assistance of someone who does have those issues and last month's 
PPSM.

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Re: Peter Parker Spider-Man #26 flashbacks
Posted by SKleefeld on January 14, 2001 at 16:03:57:
In Reply to: Peter Parker Spider-Man #26 flashbacks
posted by Paul Bourcier on January 13, 2001 at 21:19:45:

: Last month's Peter Parker Spider-Man #26 featured a number of 
flashback sequences, including two about which I'm curious...

: One flashback is a re-telling of the scene from ASM 90 in which 
George Stacy dies.

: The other flashback is a re-telling of the scene from ASM 121-122 
in which Gwen Stacy dies.

: Both flashbacks are seen from the points of view of policemen who 
witnessed the events and thus new material is seen.

: Does anyone know how these flashbacks dovetail, panel-by-panel, 
with the original stories?

: Sad to say, I don't have ASM 90, 121, or 122, but I'd appreciate 
the assistance of someone who does have those issues and last month's 
PPSM.

PPSM 26, pg 10, panel 4 = ASM 90, pg 15, panel 1

PPSM 26, pg 10, panel 5 = ASM 90, pg 18, panel 2

PPSM 26, pg 10, panels 6 and 7 actually occur between ASM 90, pg 18, 
panels 3 and 4

PPSM 26, pg 11, panel 1 = ASM 90, pg 18, panel 5

PPSM 26, pg 17, panel 3 has no direct correlation, but probably 
occurs sometime on ASM 121, pg 15.

PPSM 26, pg 17, panel 4 = ASM 121, pg 15, panel 3

PPSM 26, pg 18, panel 1 = ASM 121, pg 15, panel 5

PPSM 26, pg 18, panel 2 = ASM 121, pg 14, panel 5 (yes, I realize 
that's out of order, but it's the only instance of Goblin exploding 
a punpkin bomb)

PPSM 26, pg 18, panel 3 = ASM 121, pg 16, panel 2

PPSM 26, pg 18, panel 4 has no correlation

PPSM 26, pg 19, panel 1 = ASM 121, pg 17, panel 4

PPSM 26, pg 19, panel 2 = ASM 121, pg 18, panel 1

PPSM 26, pg 19, panel 3 = ASM 121, pg 18, panel 2

PPSM 26, pg 19, panels 4 - 5 have no correlation

PPSM 26, pg 19, panel 6 = ASM 122, pg 2, panel 1

PPSM 26, pg 19, panel 7 = ASM 122, pg 2, panel 2

PPSM 26, pg 19, panel 8 has no correlation

PPSM 26, pg 20, panel 1 = ASM 122, pg 5, panel 2

PPSM 26, pg 20, panel 2 = ASM 122, pg 5, panels 3-4

PPSM 26, pg 20, panel 3 = ASM 122, pg 6, panel 1

PPSM 26, pg 20, panel 4 = ASM 122, pg 7, panel 2

The rest of the flashback is new material, presumably after ASM 122.

Sean

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Re: Peter Parker Spider-Man #26 flashbacks
Posted by Paul Bourcier on January 15, 2001 at 08:53:20:
In Reply to: Re: Peter Parker Spider-Man #26 flashbacks
posted by SKleefeld on January 14, 2001 at 16:03:57:

Very impressive work, Sean!  Thanks very much for looking into this.  
Russ, please take note that Sean's research indicates that PPSM 26 FB 
will need to be inserted into the chronologies of George Stacy and 
Spider-Man.  It appears that Doctor Octopus' and the Green Goblin's 
chronologies are not affected, as no new material features them.  
Thanks again, Sean!

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kinda old, but ASM # 437
Posted by jay on January 14, 2001 at 16:23:59:

ok, i have had amazing spider-man # 437 for a while now and it has 
always bothered the hell out of me... and i figured this is the best 
place to get an answer to my question. does ANYone here have a really 
good explanation for the story in that issue? there is a pretty 
blatant claim made by plant-man that HE was the one who attacked 
generation x in # 25 of their series, when it was clearly black tom. 
he also says that during that attack they mocked him so now he will 
take revenge on synch. sooo... what? just because black tom and 
plant-man have the same M.O., they're interchangeable? i don't think 
so. not only does mr. defalco refer to a story that never happened, 
he goes into detail about it, claiming the kids "mocked him." 
although i guess the whole blame can't be placed on defalco, since 
isn't this the kind of mistake that editors are supposed to catch? 
anyway, can anyone explain?

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Re: kinda old, but ASM # 437
Posted by Paul O'Brien on January 15, 2001 at 06:58:05:
In Reply to: kinda old, but ASM # 437
posted by jay on January 14, 2001 at 16:23:59:

:does ANYone here have a really good explanation for the story in 
that issue? there is a pretty blatant claim made by plant-man that 
HE was the one who attacked generation x in # 25 of their series, 
when it was clearly black tom.

It's a blatant error, as you say.  It can't seriously be suggested 
that the Plantman was the character in Generation X #25 - aside 
from anything else, Black Tom's rationale for being there is 
largely to do with hating his cousin Sean.

The best approach here is either to ignore the Plantman's comment 
as an error or to assume he's actually referring to an unpublished 
Generation X adventure.

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Re: kinda old, but ASM # 437
Posted by Jeph! on January 16, 2001 at 01:36:33:
In Reply to: Re: kinda old, but ASM # 437
posted by Paul O'Brien on January 15, 2001 at 06:58:05:

: :does ANYone here have a really good explanation for the story in 
that issue? there is a pretty blatant claim made by plant-man that 
HE was the one who attacked generation x in # 25 of their series, 
when it was clearly black tom.

: It's a blatant error, as you say.  It can't seriously be suggested 
that the Plantman was the character in Generation X #25.

: The best approach here is either to ignore the Plantman's comment 
as an error or to assume he's actually referring to an unpublished 
Generation X adventure.

When I read that issue, back when it came out, I was struck with an 
odd thought about Black Tom.  When we see him in that issue he's 
almost Captain Vegetable; his "woody" growths from the Deadpool 
limited series had almost taken him over, thanks to artist Chris 
Bachalo.  He had been getting worse and worse-looking in every 
appearance before that, as well -- more and more of him was plant.  
Then, in Gen-X 25, we see him die -- his veggie form split down the 
middle by Penance.

The next time we see him, in UX 361, he's fully human.  Like nothing 
had happened.  And nobody mentions it, not even the Juggernaut.  He's 
just good old trouble-making Black Tom Cassidy, and everything's 
hunky-dory.  A slap in the face to the three Black Tom fans out 
there, and a sign that the new X-regime wanted everything to go 
back to the way it was in 1985, and didn't care how it got there.

My thought, upon reading these comics way back when, was: what if 
the Plant-Man had something to do with Black Tom's condition?  Tom 
had all these wacky new plant-controlling powers in Gen-X #25 that 
he had never had before: he made plant doubles of Gen X, he even 
managed to make some sort of plant-raft in the mid-Pacific and trap 
most of Gen X on it.  These are not Black Tom's powers.  Maybe the 
Plant-Man was giving him some help -- maybe the real Black Tom was 
recuperating somewhere while this planty body -- a fake -- gave Gen 
X a hard time.

I realize I'm straying out of the bounds of pure chronology here, 
into the realm of the purely speculative.  But Black Tom's power-up 
and subsequent power-waaaay-down are not natural -- they speak of 
his having had some help, some outside force that first gave him 
ultimate control of, then helped him purge, his woody growths.

Is it in any way possible that the Plant Man had some sort of 
Behind-the-Scenes hand in the events of Gen X #25?  It would explain 
that bloody footnote as well as Plant-Man's revenge jag (surely the 
worst cock-up in DeFalco's, if not Marvel's, history: a villain out 
for revenge against a foe he had never faced... now that's fact-
checking).

I dunno.  It seems stupid, but in retrospect, it's the only answer 
that made sense out of both UX 361 and ASM 437: Plant-Man was helping 
Black Tom in GenX 25.

	-Jeph!
go on now, laugh at me, all of you

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Shang-Chi Master of Kung Fu
Posted by Rob MacPherson on January 14, 2001 at 19:06:30:

Does anyone know of the issues that Shang Chi appeared in, in the 
UK. I would like to know of anything that he has appeared in.

Thanx for any help
Rob

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Minor Housekeeping (Pt. 1)
Posted by Jhaeman on January 16, 2001 at 01:54:49:

Couple of really, really minor things:

1. Star-Dancer from Marvel Two-In-One # 79 is missing.

2. Sticker from Speedball # 2 is missing.

3.  It would probably make more sense to put characters whose names 
are numbers (such as 3-D Man) under the letter where they would go 
if the number were spelled out; thus, 3-D Man under the "T's" for 
example, instead of under the A's.

4.  Speaking of same, 3-D Man has an appearance listed in What If; 
I don't know, but I'm guessing this isn't an in-continuity 
appearance.

5.  For Angel II, "USA" isn't in the key.

6.  Azazel should be bolded.

Thanks for patience!

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Re: Minor Housekeeping (Pt. 1)
Posted by Yellow Claw on January 16, 2001 at 02:49:49:
In Reply to: Minor Housekeeping (Pt. 1)
posted by Jhaeman on January 16, 2001 at 01:54:49:

: 3.  It would probably make more sense to put characters whose 
names are numbers (such as 3-D Man) under the letter where they 
would go if the number were spelled out; thus, 3-D Man under the 
"T's" for example, instead of under the A's.

It's conventional, when listing things alphabetically, to do what 
Russ has done and list numbers at the beginning.

: 4.  Speaking of same, 3-D Man has an appearance listed in What 
If; I don't know, but I'm guessing this isn't an in-continuity 
appearance.

Some of the What If?s had back-up stories set in the main MU.

: 5.  For Angel II, "USA" isn't in the key.

I don't think USAgent has been analysed yet, although I could be 
wrong.

Cheers,
Yellow Claw.

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Star-Dancer &amp; 3-D Man...
Posted by Prime Eternal on January 16, 2001 at 14:23:15:
In Reply to: Minor Housekeeping (Pt. 1)
posted by Jhaeman on January 16, 2001 at 01:54:49:

: 1. Star-Dancer from Marvel Two-In-One # 79 is missing.

No she isn't- she's listed under "Shanga". However, her first 
appearance, MTIO 79, IS missing.

: 4.  Speaking of same, 3-D Man has an appearance listed in What 
If; I don't know, but I'm guessing this isn't an in-continuity 
appearance.

It shouldn't be listed there. The 3-D Man who appears in What 
If#9 and Avengers Forever#4-5 was part of the timeline Immortus 
destroyed in AF#5. These appearances should be under a "3-D Man 
II" heading, as was done with "Venus II", elsewhere in the MCP.

Michael Hoskin

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Masked Marauder corrections
Posted by Yellow Claw on January 16, 2001 at 07:01:03:

The MCP currently contains these two entries:

MASKED MARAUDER/FRANK FARNUM/"MR. DUNN"
DD 16
DD 17
DD 18
DD 19
DD 22
DD 23
DD 26
DD 27
IM 60
IM 61

MARAUDER
IM 61
WBN 42
WBN 43
PPTSS 25
PPTSS 26
PPTSS 27
PPTSS 28

In fact, these are the same character, and a single entry should read:

MASKED MARAUDER/FRANK FARNUM/"MR. DUNN"
DD 16
DD 17
DD 18
DD 19
DD 22
DD 23
DD 26
DD 27
IM 60
>IM 61
WBN 42
WBN 43
PPTSS 25
PPTSS 26
PPTSS 27
PPTSS 28

Cheers,
Yellow Claw

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Miscellany
Posted by Sean Curtin on January 18, 2001 at 14:54:46:

- Unless I'm mistaken, the entries for "Tante Mattie" and "Baptiste, 
Tante Mattie" refer to the same character.  She also appears in the 
third and fourth issues of the Rogue miniseries, in addition to the 
second issue, which is listed.

- "Black Knight IV Doppleganger" should be listed as "Black Knight V 
Doppleganger".  Nitpick, nitpick...

- Captain Britain's current appearances are being listed under 
"Britanic", but the character switched back to "Captain Britain" 
around the time of Excalibur #90 or thereabout.

- If I'm not mistaken, the Elements of Doom that appearaed in the 
Thunderbolts are different people than those from the EoD's prior 
appearance(s?), and should be listed as such.

- "Cargill" is spelled with two "L"s.  All of her appearances prior 
to CA 390 should be listed under Frenzy.

- Why no listing for "Fang I"?

- I'm pretty sure that Fantasia and Fantasma are the same person, 
operating with a new codename.

- Ship and Prosh are in some sense the same character. IIRC, Ship, 
in Cable's timeline, has uploaded its mind into some portable device, 
calling itself "Professor". Cable carried "Professor" with him into 
the present. Professor became Prosh in the only listed appearance 
for Prosh (which is, I believe, its only appearance as such outside 
of X-MEN FOREVER). Although Ship and Prosh are the same character, 
Prosh originates from Cable's timeline which has since been eliminated 
as a possible future, so the two entries needn't reference one 
another. However, there should be a reference to the Professor. In 
every appearance of Cable where he teleports ("bodyslides"), he does 
so via his space station (Greymalkin), which was run by the Professor 
up until Greymalkin is taken over by Magneto's Acolytes; all instances 
of Cable's "bodysliding" are BTS appearances of the Professor.  Of 
course, all of these appearances seem to fall into the Gap...

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Re: Miscellany
Posted by Paul O'Brien on January 19, 2001 at 03:46:35:
In Reply to: Miscellany
posted by Sean Curtin on January 18, 2001 at 14:54:46:

:Although Ship and Prosh are the same character, Prosh originates 
from Cable's timeline which has since been eliminated as a possible 
future, so the two entries needn't reference one another. 

No, they need to be combined.  The story is that the X-Factor Ship 
personality is downloaded into the infant Nathan (thanks to the 
technovirus) and goes into the future with him.  Then it's downloaded 
again at some later point into a computer of some sort.  But there's 
no suggestion of Prosh being a divergent version - it's the same 
character, having travelled into an alternate timeline and back.

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Re: Miscellany
Posted by Katar on January 31, 2001 at 13:00:09:
In Reply to: Re: Miscellany
posted by Paul O'Brien on January 19, 2001 at 03:46:35:

: :Although Ship and Prosh are the same character, Prosh originates 
from Cable's timeline which has since been eliminated as a possible 
future, so the two entries needn't reference one another. 

: No, they need to be combined.  The story is that the X-Factor Ship 
personality is downloaded into the infant Nathan (thanks to the 
technovirus) and goes into the future with him.  Then it's downloaded 
again at some later point into a computer of some sort.  But there's 
no suggestion of Prosh being a divergent version - it's the same 
character, having travelled into an alternate timeline and back.

Also, Ship's first chronological appearance is in X-Force #37.  In 
a flashback with Apocalypse and one of the Externals.  It is never 
said outright that this is indeed ship, but the story shows that in 
the year 1150, Apocalypse came upon the crashed Celestial ship 
half-buried in a mountain-top.  

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FF appearances
Posted by John Barron on January 18, 2001 at 21:01:59:

Just wanted to bring attention to a couple of minor corrections I 
came across.

Upon review of Marvel Team-Up, vol.1 #99, I could not find an 
appearance of the Invisible Woman.  Her listing for that issue is 
should be ammended to reflect her absence.

Also, the appearance of Mr.Fantastic, the Human Torch, Luke Cage, 
and the Wrecker in Iron Fist vol.1 #11 is a direct flashback to 
their battle in Fantastic Four, vol.1 #168.  Futhermore, the 
Invisible Woman and the Thing (as Ben Grimm) were also present 
during the fight. The Puppetmaster was also shown in the Iron Fist 
flashback, as he gained control over the Wrecker.

The ammended appearances for these characters are as followed:

for MR.FANTASTIC, HUMAN TORCH, LUKE CAGE, and the WRECKER:

FANTASTIC FOUR, vol.1 #168
IRON FIST, vol.1 #11
FANTASTIC FOUR, vol.1 #168

for INVISIBLE WOMAN and the THING:

FANTASTIC FOUR, vol.1 #168
IRON FIST, vol.1 #11 (bts)(fb)
FANTASTIC FOUR, vol.1 #168

and finally, for the PUPPETMASTER:
FANTASTIC FOUR, vol.1 #168 (bts)
IRON FIST, vol.1 #11 (fb)<br>
FANTASTIC FOUR, vol.1 #168 (bts)

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Shadowcat &amp; Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
Posted by OnionMan on January 19, 2001 at 04:37:57:

Hi.. I have a few notes and questions.

Note 1: Shadowcat has no entry for UXM 195... but two entrys for 
UXM 194. Can it be that the second entry (the one after PP 12) is a 
typing error. She is present in UXM 195 and should be listed for that 
issue anyway.

Shadowcat:
----------
UX 193
UX 194
NC 1
NC 2
NC 3
NC 4
NM:TD 1
PP 12
UX 194    <-- (Should this be UXM 195 instead !?)
SWII 1

Note 2: I'm trying to figure out Stoms chronology for her trip to 
Africa. Could anyone fill in the blanks in the listing below

Storm:
------
UX 192         (Leaves New York on an Atlantic Ship)
DAMCON 4-FB    (??)
UX@ 8          (??)
UX 193-FB      (Onboard the ship, almost in Africa)
X&AF 1-BTS     (Illyana & Sam read a letter from Storm)
PP 12-BTS      (Callisto gets a letter from Storm)
UX 194         (In Africa)
UX 196         (In Africa)
UX 197         (??)
UX 198         (In Africa - Lifedeath II)
NM 32          (??)
NM 33          (??)
NM 34          (??)
NMSE 1         (With NM in Europe - Asgardian Wars)
UX@ 9          (Asgardian Wars - Back to USA)
BTW: Is there any reason why her appearance in UXM 194 could not be 
placed before PP 12 ? If you do that is would sync better with the 
rest of the X-Men. 

Since I don't have all of the issues above I would appreciate any 
help to bring some light to this.

Thanks!

/OnionMan
John      

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Re: Shadowcat &amp; Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
Posted by Michel Racaud on January 21, 2001 at 09:43:46:
In Reply to: Shadowcat & Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
posted by OnionMan on January 19, 2001 at 04:37:57:

: Note 2: I'm trying to figure out Stoms chronology for her trip to 
Africa. Could anyone fill in the blanks in the listing below

: Storm:
: ------
: UX 192         (Leaves New York on an Atlantic Ship)

3 pages have been cut from my french reprint. Does Storm actually 
leaves here ? I just can see her meeting Kitty and Wolverine at the 
airport.

: DAMCON 4-FB    (??)

I don't have it neither

: UX@ 8          (??)

There must be a mistake here. Storm appears with the X-Men and the 
New Mutants, and at the end of the story says "perhaps the time has 
come to leave this nest, as I did my african home years ago...". 
Kitty and Wolverine are present, so I would say this annual is to be 
put in between pages UXM 192, after Kitty and Logan come back from 
Japan but before Storm leaves for Africa. But since my reprint of 
UXM 192 isn't complete, I can't place it precisely.

: UX 193-FB      (Onboard the ship, almost in Africa)

Just one question : why should this scene be a flash-back ?

: X&AF 1-BTS     (Illyana & Sam read a letter from Storm)
: PP 12-BTS      (Callisto gets a letter from Storm)
: UX 194         (In Africa)

Ororo meet Andrea and Andreas von Strucker

: UX 196         (In Africa)

Storm is gunned down by Andrea von Strucker

: UX 197         (??)

Storm was left for dead but wakes up when vultures attack her.

: UX 198         (In Africa - Lifedeath II)
: NM 32          (??)

As Karma has kidnapped some New Mutants in Cairo, Warlock senses 
Ororo's presence nearby and brings her to help fight Karma.

: NM 33          (??)
: NM 34          (??)

Storm helps the New Mutants in freeing Karma from the Shadow King's 
influence

: NMSE 1         (With NM in Europe - Asgardian Wars)
: UX@ 9          (Asgardian Wars - Back to USA)

Michel

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Re: Shadowcat &amp; Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
Posted by OnionMan on January 21, 2001 at 15:25:54:
In Reply to: Re: Shadowcat & Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
posted by Michel Racaud on January 21, 2001 at 09:43:46:

Thanks Michel!

UXM 192:
--------

My swedish reprint is missing the page(s) where Storm meets Kitty 
and Wolverine at the airport. What page # is that? It must be one 
of the first.

Anyway it is said that the two is put into quarantine after their 
return from japan. That's why they could not be present when the 
rest of X-Men waved Storm off when she left on that boat...

UXM@ 8 & DAMCON 4-FB:
---------------------

Since I thought Storm left in UXM 192, how could these stories occur 
after that?

UXM 193-FB:
-----------

I think it is labeled a flashback because that issue is placed before 
the X&AF mini-series for the rest of the X-Men.

/ OnionMan

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Re: Shadowcat &amp; Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
Posted by OnionMan on January 21, 2001 at 15:31:16:
In Reply to: Re: Shadowcat & Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
posted by OnionMan on January 21, 2001 at 15:25:54:

: UXM 193-FB:
: -----------
: I think it is labeled a flashback because that issue is placed 
before the X&AF mini-series for the rest of the X-Men.

placed after I mean... sorry... !

/OnionMan

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Re: Shadowcat &amp; Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
Posted by Michel Racaud on January 26, 2001 at 15:12:38:
In Reply to: Re: Shadowcat & Storm in UXM #'s 194-195
posted by OnionMan on January 21, 2001 at 15:25:54:

: Thanks Michel!

My pleasure :-))

: UXM 192:
: --------

: My swedish reprint is missing the page(s) where Storm meets Kitty 
and Wolverine at the airport. What page # is that? It must be one 
of the first.

In my french reprint, the first scene shows Colossus, Nightcrawler 
and Rogue and lasts 6 pages and 2 panels.

The second one shows Xavier, Storm, Illyana, Lockheed and Rachel 
meeting Kitty and Logan at the airport, and Kitty recognizes Rachel 
from her trip in the future. It lasts 3 pages and 5 panels (the two 
scene together have 10 pages)

: Anyway it is said that the two is put into quarantine after their 
return from japan. That's why they could not be present when the 
rest of X-Men waved Storm off when she left on that boat...

Still in my frech reprint, the last scene shows the Professor X 
beaten to pulp by some students. Just before that, Magus has fought 
the X-Men. I guess the scene in which Ororo leaves that I don't have 
is in between these two scenes.

: UXM@ 8 & DAMCON 4-FB:
: ---------------------

: Since I thought Storm left in UXM 192, how could these stories 
occur after that?

That's clearly a mistake, that was already done in the Official 
Marvel Index to the X-Men #4.

Michel

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Human Torch appearances and a question
Posted by John Barron on January 19, 2001 at 21:03:42:

I was looking over the Torch's (Johnny Storm) chronology and came 
up with two spots that seem to have been mixed up with the Hulk's 
chronology.

INCREDIBLE HULK, vol.2 #308
MARVEL FANFARE, vol.1 #20
MARVEL FANFARE, vol.1 #21
INCREDIBLE HULK, vol.2 #309

INCREDIBLE HULK, vol.2 #348
MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #6/4
WEB of SPIDER-MAN</I>#44

Also, I ran across a Human Torch appearance in SILVER SURFER, vol.3
#37.  In that issue, he lets the Surfer and Drax watch television at 
the Four Freedoms Plaza.  Not much of a appearance (three panels), 
but I thought I'd mention it.  Do you have any thoughts as to where 
it fits in the Torch's chronology? 

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Punisher miniseries
Posted by Paul O'Brien on January 20, 2001 at 18:50:27:

I'm assuming from Russ's requests for help that he hasn't been buying 
it, so here's a summary of character appearances in the whole thing.

The A plot here is the Punisher returning to his war on crime and 
having a one-man gang war against the Gnucci family, leading up to 
his killing Ma Gnucci in the final issue.  The B plot is two police 
officers, Martin Soap and Molly von Richthofen, trying to catch him.  
And the C plot is three lunatic vigilantes - the Holy, Elite and Mr 
Payback - wandering around being copies of the Punisher in a plot 
that doesn't really head anywhere other than to give the Punisher 
somewhere to kill on the last page of issue #12.

Issue #1 includes the Punisher's explanation of why he doesn't have 
his angelic powers any more (he rejected them, and the angels cast 
him back down to Earth - no actual flashback depicting this).  Since 
we're expressly told this is his return to his war on crime, the 
storyline evidently bridges the gap between Wolverine/Punisher: 
Revelation and Marvel Knights.

The only inter-relation with other titles is the guest appearance of 
Daredevil in issue #3.  I'd place that between the first two 
storylines in DD2, but it could really go in pretty much any 
convenient gap in his continuity.

So... here's the list of characters who are given names and appear 
in more than one issue.  (This being a Punisher series, there's tons 
of throwaways for the Punisher to gun down.)

BUMPO, MR (honest)
Issues #1-3, #5, #9, #11-12

ELITE (real name unrevealed)
#5-7, #9-12

GNUCCI, MA (full name unrevealed)
Issues #2-BTS, #4-12.  (The Gnucci family, of which she's the leader, 
is in issues #1 and #3, if that's enough to count as a BTS 
appearance.  She's expressly mentioned as giving orders in issue #2.)

GRUMMETT, AL
Issues #5-6

HOLY, THE/REDONDO, FATHER HECTOR
Issues #2-5, #7, #9-12

JOAN (surname unrevealed)
Issues #1-3, #5, #7-9, #11-12

MR PAYBACK (real name unrevealed)
#5-7, 9-12

PEARCE, MRS (the cleaning lady)
Issues #3, 5, 7, 9

PLUGG, BUDDY "BUD" (ah, that subtle Ennis humour)
Issues #2-3 (dies)

THE PUNISHER
Issues #1-12

RUSSIAN (real name unrevealed) 
Issues #9-FB, #8-11

SOAP, DETECTIVE MARTIN
Issues #2-12
Worth mentioning that Soap becomes NYPD commissioner in issue #12 
(by blackmail), so until we hear otherwise, any reference to the 
NYPD commissioner is presumably a BTS appearance for Soap.

SPACKER DAVE
Issues #1-3, #5, #7-9, #11-12

VON RICHTHOFEN, LIEUTENANT MOLLY
Issues #4-12

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Maximum Security #1
Posted by Russ Chappell on January 21, 2001 at 16:12:33:

I'm having a little trouble placing a couple of characters in the 
video monitors, off the top of my head. I know I could identify 
them with a little research, but before I went to the effort, I 
wondered if anyone out there might have a better memory than I do 
for these sorts of things.

1. In the monitor showing the New Warriors, who is that in the upper 
right? Justice wears a facemask somewhat similar to that, but he's 
not part of the New Warriors, is he?

2. In the monitor showing the Winter Guard, I recognize Vanguard 
and Darkstar, but whom am I missing?

Thanks,
Russ

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Re: Maximum Security #1
Posted by Prime Eternal on January 21, 2001 at 18:54:04:
In Reply to: Maximum Security #1
posted by Russ Chappell on January 21, 2001 at 16:12:33:

: 1. In the monitor showing the New Warriors, who is that in the 
upper right? Justice wears a facemask somewhat similar to that, 
but he's not part of the New Warriors, is he?

That's Bolt, isn't it?

And, hey, you caught that they were fighting Spragg, right?

: 2. In the monitor showing the Winter Guard, I recognize Vanguard 
and Darkstar, but whom am I missing?

Steel Guardian and Powersurge. The villains they're fighting are 
Nygorn, Insidio, Skar & Threkker, all of whom are from the Starblast 
cross-over, which hasn't been added yet.

Michael Hoskin

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Re: Maximum Security #1
Posted by Russ Chappell on January 21, 2001 at 19:35:10:
In Reply to: Re: Maximum Security #1
posted by Prime Eternal on January 21, 2001 at 18:54:04:

: : 1. In the monitor showing the New Warriors, who is that in the 
upper right? Justice wears a facemask somewhat similar to that, but 
he's not part of the New Warriors, is he?

: That's Bolt, isn't it?

Okay, if that's Bolt in the upper right, then who's in the lower 
left?

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Re: Maximum Security #1
Posted by Paulo C. on January 22, 2001 at 16:48:37:
In Reply to: Re: Maximum Security #1
posted by Russ Chappell on January 21, 2001 at 19:35:10:

: Okay, if that's Bolt in the upper right, then who's in the lower 
left?

It is Bolt in the lower left. It looks like Speedball in the upper 
right, although very very badly drawn.

PC

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Blink
Posted by Chris on January 22, 2001 at 09:26:28:

The X-Men : Blink Limited Series is set in the AOA continum.

It does not take place in the main marvel universe and should only 
be included if you plan to do the rest of the AOA.

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Blink #1
Posted by Jeph! on January 23, 2001 at 13:24:38:
In Reply to: Blink
posted by Chris on January 22, 2001 at 09:26:28:

: The X-Men : Blink Limited Series is set in the AOA continum.  It 
should only be included if you plan to do the rest of the AOA.

However, it did contain appearances by the Dark Beast and Holocaust, 
who are now in the Marvel U. and (I believe) covered on the MCP.  And, 
if rumor has it, Blink will be the star of a new ongoing "Sliders"-
type book, and just might need to be covered in the MCP if her 
extradimensional adventures bring her to the Marvel Universe to stay.

So:
BLINK #1 of 4
(it's not "X-Men: Blink", either.  Just "Blink", both in the title 
and the indicia.)

"You Win! She's Back! BLINK" by Scott Lobdell and Trevor McCarthy
Characters:
AoA Rogue
AoA Morph (MU's Changeling, name referred to as "Kevin" instead of 
"Sydney", way to go Lobdell)
AoA Blink
AoA Impossible Man
AoA Beast (Dark Beast)
AoA Magneto
AoA Holocaust (there is no MU Holocaust as yet)
AoA Blastaar
AoA Madri (Jamie Madrox)
some random guy in the Negative Zone (to be identified next issue?)

Characters in flashback:
AoA Apocalypse
AoA Impossible Man
This book takes place prior to the main AoA time period (ie, before 
X-Men Alpha).  Blink is a fully-functioning X-Man, so it takes place 
after "Tales of the Age of Apocalypse" #1.  No other indications of 
when it might take place.

The flashback, one panel of the AoA Impossible Man meeting AoA 
Apocalypse (after having asked "Take me to your leader", of course), 
could take place anywhere after Apocalypse took over Manhattan 
Island, meaning anywhere after X-Men Chronicles #1.

The story content of the issue is Blink sneaking off alone in the 
middle of a battle between the X-Men and Apocalypse's Infinites, 
to encounter one of the Dark Beast's labs, where he has been 
experimenting on the Impossible Man.  She releases him from the 
Beast's clutches, and heavy hints are dropped that the Beast 
experimented on her in the past.  Magneto later upbraids her for 
running off in the middle of a battle, and she decides to make a 
suicide run on Apocalypse's citadel.  On the way, though, she 
encounters Blastaar attacking Holocaust, and she follows Blastaar 
as he retreats back through the portal into the Negative Zone.  
She awakens in the Negative Zone with amnesia, and someone pointing 
a gun at her face...

Hope that helps.

	-Jeph!

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Frank Castle Punisher
Posted by Andy Holcombe on January 24, 2001 at 04:17:48:

In the introduction to "The Punisher Invades the 'Nam: Final 
Invasion," Editor Tim Tuohy mentions that "The 'Nam" issues 
67-69 (which star the Punisher) occurs before "The 'Nam" 52-53.  
Also, issues 52-53 occur between pages 11 and 12 of  "The Punisher 
Invades the 'Nam: Final Invasion."  To further muddle everything, 
the bulk of PITN:FI surves as a flashblack framed by pages 1-2 
and 73-74 showing Frank at the Vietnam Wall.

Punisher: Year One #1-4 bridge the death of the Castle family to 
the creation and first chronological appearance of the Punisher.

Punisher: Bloodlines takes place shortly thereafter (War Journal 
Entry #58).  At this time the Punisher, even in costume, is 
unrecognized,  Granted, the story does take place in the small, 
poor, out-of-touch South American country of San Domingo.  I don't 
have the early guest appearances of the Punisher so I can't compare 
where this book takes place in relation to previouly published 
material.  At one point the death of the Castle family is placed 
at six months ago, but who knows what that means.

I placed the Assassins Guild Graphic Novel between Punisher #13 
and Punisher War Journal #1 due to that being a break in storylines 
and being published around the same time as those issues.

This line of reasoning has led to the placement of other graphic 
novels, one-shots, etc.

Return to Big Nothing between Punisher #18 and Punisher War 
Journal #4.

Intruder between Punisher #19 and War Journal #6.  

Kingdom Gone between War Journal #13 and Punisher #30.

Wolverine and the Punisher: Damaging Evidence #1-3 between 
Punisher #43 and 44.  Also prior to Daredevil #296 and Uncanny 
X-Men #248.  This limited series ties up the Damage plotline and 
kills off Sniper.

Blood on the Moors between Heart of Darkness and Punisher #52.

I believe that Punisher #51 immediately follows #50 due to some 
dialoge on page one describing that the action in issue fifty gave 
Frank a taste for this particular Chinese restaurant.

I can also fill a large part of your second gap for the Punisher.  
This is just were I have placed them.  In the case of books with 
several stories this is based on the main story.  I do not have 
flashbacks or cameos included in this listing.

Punisher #52
War Journal #38-40
Punisher #53-62
Punisher Annual #5
Punisher War Zone #1-11
Punisher: Die Hard in the Big Easy
War Journal #41
Punisher #63
War Journal #42
Punisher: G-Force
War Journal #43-44
Punisher Summer Special #2
Daredevil #307
Nomad #4
War Journal #45
Nomad #5
Daredevil #308
War Journal #46
Daredevil #309
Nomad #6
War Journal #47
Punisher/Black Widow: Spinning Doomsday's Web
War Journal #48-49, 51, 50  (Due to some foul up in the system 
the story in 51 follows directly from 49 but was not run until 
after 50.
Punisher: The Ghosts of Innocents #1-2
Punisher Back to School Special #1
Punisher/Captain America #1-3
Punisher #64-75
Punisher Holiday Special #1
Spider-Man/Punisher/Sabretooth: Designer Genes
Punisher #76
War Journal #52-53
Punisher #77-79
War Journal #54-56
War Zone #12-16
Summer Special #3
Punisher #80
Punisher Annual #6
Venom: Funeral Pyre #1-3
Punisher #81
War Zone #17-19
War Zone Annual #1
Back to School Special #2
War Journal #57-60
Punisher #82-84
War Zone #20-22
Holiday Special #2
Punisher #85
War Zone Annual #2
War Journal #61
War Zone #23
Punisher #86
War Journal #62
War Zone #24
Punisher #87
War Journal #63
War Zone #25
Punisher #88
War Journal #64

The following is based on an add in the back of Summer Special #4 
and footnotes in Empty Quarter.  I don't have these issues except 
for Annual #7, Empty Quarter, Summer Special #4, Back to School 
Special #3, Holiday Special #3, and Ghost Rider/Wolverine/Punisher: 
Dark Design.

War Journal #65-69
War Zone #26-30
Punisher #89-92
War Zone #31-36
Punisher #94-95
War Journal #70-75
Cold Steel Arc in War Zone (listed as upcoming in Empty Quarter)
Punisher: Empty Quarter (This is listed as after War Journal #73 
with no reference to 74 or 75.  Since War Journal #70-75 was listed 
as one arc, I'm assuming it takes place uninterupted.)
Punisher Annual #7
Punisher #96

I appologize for any errors.  I've been waiting on the arrival of 
some of the 'Nam issues to actually read the comics.

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Re: Frank Castle Punisher
Posted by Andy Holcombe on January 24, 2001 at 04:21:49:
In Reply to: Frank Castle Punisher
posted by Andy Holcombe on January 24, 2001 at 04:17:48:

To clear up any possible confusion.  The Punisher/Captain America 
limited series I was refering to in the original post is the Blood 
and Glory limited series.

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Note on new Excalibur miniseries
Posted by Jeph! on January 24, 2001 at 12:34:14:

Oh look, he's going to say something obscure about Captain Britain 
again...

Just a quick note on the new Excalibur miniseries, whenever Russ 
gets around to archiving it.  This miniseries begins with a powerless 
Captain Britain and a trip to Otherworld, and will presumably end 
(from the advertising) with a re-powering and a return home.

Now, a flying, powered-up CB was spotted in Thunderbolts #45 fighting 
the Ego-mass in London.  Given CB's *current* power situation, there 
is no way in heaven or hell he could have been doing that, so it must 
be inferred that the entire Excalibur miniseries takes place before 
T-Bolts #45 -- that is to say, before the Maximum Security crossover.  
That way, he can go off to Otherworld, get his powers back, and be 
back on earth by the time Maximum Security hits.

This means that Psylocke's appearance in the miniseries, for one, 
takes place before Uncanny X-Men #387 and X-Men #107 (the MaxSec 
issues).

Just thought you'd appreciate a tip in narrowing down where the 
miniseries takes place...

	-Jeph!

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Gambit
Posted by Michelle on January 25, 2001 at 09:28:32:

hi! I'm new to the board could someone let me know if the Gambit 
comic is stopping at #25 and ending after the limited Gambit and 
Bishop series because I looked and didn't see any more issues lined 
up on the marvel home website. Thank you!

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Re: Gambit
Posted by Russ Chappell on January 25, 2001 at 13:15:23:
In Reply to: Gambit
posted by Michelle on January 25, 2001 at 09:28:32:

The last I heard, Gambit Volume 3 is no more.

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Tyrant
Posted by Dark on January 26, 2001 at 06:46:05:

Does anybody know of a website dedicated to this Marvel character.  
Even if that website only has a little information on him it will do.

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Re: Tyrant
Posted by katar on January 29, 2001 at 14:23:01:
In Reply to: Tyrant
posted by Dark on January 26, 2001 at 06:46:05:

I know there's an excellent Silver Surfer web-site which will 
probably have some good info on Tyrant.  I'm not sure what it is 
called, but if you do a search, you should find it.  There aren't 
that many SS sites so it shouldn't be difficult.  

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Re: Tyrant
Posted by Dr Bruce Banner  on January 29, 2001 at 16:20:41:
In Reply to: Tyrant
posted by Dark on January 26, 2001 at 06:46:05:

My Marvel Villains site has a Tyrant page- He's in the Csmic 
Villains table
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Saturn/1824/index.html: Marvel 
Villains Footnotes'

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Captain America's shield
Posted by Johnny on January 28, 2001 at 04:54:32:

Is it true that Captain America's shield withstood Thor's godly-
essence blast?I somewhere read about it,but I can't be sure. 

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Re: Captain America's shield
Posted by Katar on January 31, 2001 at 12:51:23:
In Reply to: Captain America's shield
posted by Johnny on January 28, 2001 at 04:54:32:

I don't recall it ever happening, but it stands to reason that it 
could.  I know that Iron Man once withstood a blast from Thor's 
hammer in Avengers #220-221.  (And this was the classic Mark V 
armor, not the subsequent 'sturdier' upgraded armor.) The point 
being, if IM can withstand Thor's hammer then certainly Cap's shield 
which is a bit more durable can most likely put up with it.  (Also 
to note: Cap is the only Earth mortal to ever pick up Thor's hammer 
other than Eric Masterson.  He picked it up in one of the Avengers 
issues when Cap was running around in the Black and red 'Captain' 
suit.) 

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Re: Captain America's shield
Posted by Peter Lin on April 09, 2001 at 02:54:26:
In Reply to: Re: Captain America's shield
posted by Katar on January 31, 2001 at 12:51:23:

It happened in Captain America vol.3 #28. Cap wanted to test his 
shield... you'd think he be a little less desperate in finding ways 
to test his shield's strength. Then again, Jurgens always did think 
that all his heroes were superhuman gods (see Thor, Superman).

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Wonderman vs.Thor
Posted by Johnny on January 28, 2001 at 04:58:19:

Did ever Wonderman fight against Thor?
I know he did,but did he beat him?I must remind you that punches 
from Wonderman's fists are equally hard as Mjolnir,maybe even harder. 

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Re: Wonderman vs.Thor
Posted by Dr Bruce Banner on January 29, 2001 at 16:22:29:
In Reply to: Wonderman vs.Thor
posted by Johnny on January 28, 2001 at 04:58:19:

Simon fought Thor in West Coast Avengers annual #2- he had Thor on 
the ropes for a bit, but I think that Thor blasted him with 
lightning to win- Simon's page on Ionic People should have a 
description

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Conan and friends
Posted by Katar on January 28, 2001 at 10:58:41:
I know this has probably been covered before but is the MCP 
addressing chronology for the Robert E Howard characters? (Conan, 
Red Sonja, Kull, Solomon Kane etc.) There have been several 
historic examples to suggest that the two time periods share 
the same universe.  Example:  Kulan Gath is a Hyborean age sorceror 
who has fought up against both Spider-Man and the X-Men; Red Sonja 
has been resurrected in modern Manhattan and Solomon Kane once 
killed Count Dracula.  Marvel Saga as well as the Atantis Attacks 
story-arcs also support this.  I know that chronologizing (Is that 
a word?) Conan would be dang near impossible considering the 
various titles, annuals, specials, minis, novels and magazines 
that he has had.  Any plans for this?  If so...GOOD LUCK BY CROM! 

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Re: Conan and friends
Posted by Russ Chappell on January 28, 2001 at 11:08:25:
In Reply to: Conan and friends
posted by Katar on January 28, 2001 at 10:58:41:

Well, probably at some point, although the Howard mythos is a rather 
low priority for us right now.

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Re: Conan and friends
Posted by rm on January 28, 2001 at 17:01:26:
In Reply to: Re: Conan and friends
posted by Russ Chappell on January 28, 2001 at 11:08:25:

It would be fun to see, but a momentous task. Anyone out there have 
chrolnolgy on Conan, et al.?

RM

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Conan chronology
Posted by Antonio Gavio on January 29, 2001 at 04:59:39:
In Reply to: Re: Conan and friends
posted by rm on January 28, 2001 at 17:01:26:

A while ago I found this effort in some website that doesn't seem to 
exist any longer. I thought it could be of some help...
                          ag
The Conan comics stories chronologically ordered
Title                            Published in
The Coming of Conan              MS 2/90, CB-1, CS-1, CC-1
Young Conan                      CB-232-240
The Homecoming                   SS-119
Night of the Dark God            ST-4, CS-4
Rite of Blood                    SS-89
Old Garrad's Heart               SS-203, Co 4/94
The Keepers of the Crypt         CB-8, CS-3
The People of the Dark           SS-6, CS-37
Hunters and the Hunted           SS-82
Matters of Life and Death        SS-182
The Shadow in the Tomb           CB-32, CS-68
Lair of the Beast-Men            MS 2/90, CB-2, CC-1
The Demon Out of the Deep        CB-69
Legions of the Dead              SS-39, CS-40
Havoc in Hyperborea              CB-254
The Thing in the Crypt           Ma 2/92, CB-92, CS-75
The Twilight of the Grim Gray GodMS 2/90, CB-3, CC-3
The Tomb of Lost Visions         SS-180
The Red Stones                   SS-174, CAL 7
The Tower of the Elephant        MS 2/90, CB-4, CC-4
The Tower of the Elephant        Co 1/84, SS-24, CS-18
City of Rats                     SS-165
One Night at the Maul            SS-99
When a God Lives                 SS-100
The Darksome Demon of Raba-Than  SS-84
The World Beyond the Mists       SS-93
The Treachery of the Gray Wolf   SS-104
Zukala's Daughter                MS 2/90, CB-5, CS-2, CC-5
The Palace of Pleasure           SS-81
Devil-Wings over Shadizar        Co 1/90, CB-6, CS-2, CC-6
The Horn of Azoth                CAL 1, GN
The Forever Phial                SS-8, CS-30
The Lurker Within                CB-7, CS-3, CC-7
The Valley of Howling Shadows    SS-118
Call of the Howling Shadows      SS-161
The Keepers of the Crypt         Co 1/90, CB-8, CS-3, CC-8
The Garden of Fear               Co 2/90, CB-9, CS-3, CC-9
Beware the Wrath of Anu          Co 3/90, CB-10, CS-4, CC-10
Rouges in the House              Co 4/90, CB-11, CS-4, CC-11
Twe Dweller in the Dark          Co 4/90, CB-12, CS-5, CC-12
Conan and the Sorcerer           SS-53-55, CS-72-74
The Sword of Skelos              Co 1/85, SS-56, CS-61
The Eye of Erlik                 Co 1/85, SS-57, CS-62
For the Throne of Zamboula       SS-58, CS-63
The Crawler in the Mist          CB-116
The Gift                         SS-100
The Beast                        SS-91
The Cave Dwellers                SS-77
Web of the Spider God            Co 2/91, CB-13, CS-5
The Star of Thamazhu             SS-120
A Sword Called Stormbringer      Co 3/91, CB-14, CS-5
The Green Empress of Melnibon   Co 4/91, CB-15, CS-6
The Dweller in the Depths        SS-70
The Secret of the Great Stone    SS-123
The Eye of the Storm             SS-189
The Three Deaths of Conan        SS-176, CAL 6
The Gods of Bal-Sagoth           CB-17, CS-10
The Thing in the Temple          CB-18, CS-11
Hawks from the Sea               CB-19, CS-6
The Black Hound of Vengeance     Co 7/91, CB-20, CS-7
The Monster of the Monoliths     Co 8/91, CB-21, CS-7
Shadow of the Vulture            Co 9/91, CB-23, CS-7
The Song of Red Sonja            Co 10/91, CB-24, CS-8
The Mirrors of  Kharam Akkad     Co 11/91, CB-25, CS-8
The Hour of the Griffin          Co 12/91, CB-26, CS-63
The Blood of Bel-Hissar          Ma 6/87, MS 10/91, CB-27, CS-64
Moon of Zembabwei                Ma 7/87, MS 10/91, CB-28, CS-65
Two against Turan                Ma 8/87, MS 10/91, CB-29, CS-66
Master of the Broadsword         Co 12/91, SS-132
The Hand of Nergal               Ma 9/87, MS 10/91, CB-30, CS-67
The Shadow in the Tomb           Ma 10/87, MS 10/91, CB-32, CS-68
Flame Winds of Lost Khitai       MS 6/89, CB-32-34, CS-70
Hell-Spawn of Kara-Shehr         MS-689, CB-35, CS-73
Phantasm                         Co 5/93, SS-153
Beware the Hyrkanians Bearing GifMS 6/89, CB-36, CS-74
The Dinner Guest                 SS-110, CS-76
...To Fight Another Day          Co 4/93, SS-154, CS-76
A Quiet Place                    SS-113, CS-76
The Curse of the Golden Skull    Ma 3/92, CB-37, CS-8
Demons of the Summit             SS-3, CS-13
The Warlord of the Castle        Co 3/93, SS-115, CS-76
Debt of a Warrior                SS-123, CS-76
The Warrior and the Were-Woman   Ma 2/93, CB-38, CS-77
The Dragon from the Inland Sea   CB-39, CS-77
Conan and the Spider God         SS-207-210
The Trail of the Bloodstained GodSS Color Spec. #9, CS-80
The Fiend from the Forgotten CityCB-40, CS-77
The Garden of Death and Life     CB-41, CS-78
Night of the Gargoyle            Ma 7/92, CB-42, CS-78
Curse of the Undead-Man          SS-1, CS-11
Red Sonja                        SS-1, CS-31
Tower of Blood                   CB-43, CS-79
Of Flame and the Fiend           CB-44, CS-81
The Secret of Skull River        Ma 2/92, ST-5, CS-10
The Last Ballad of Laza-Lanti    Ma 4/88, CB-45, CS-80
Night of the Dark God            ST-4, CS-10
The Frost Giant's Daughter       ST-1, CS-6
Lair of the Ice Worm             SS-34, CS-37
The Curse of the Conjurer        Co 8/93, CB-46
Goblins in the Moonlight         CB-47
The Rats Dance at Ravengard      Co 9/93, CB-48
Wolf-Woman                       CB-49
The Dweller in the Pool          CB-50
Man Born of Demon                CB-51
The Altar and the Scorpion       CB-52, CS-83
Brothers of the Blade            CB-53, CS-83
The Oracle of Ophir              CB-54, CS-84
A Shadow on the Land             CB-55
The Strange High Tower in the Mist CB-56, CS-84
Incident in Argos                CB-57, CS-50
Queen of the Black Coast         Ma 6/88, CB-58, CS-50
The Ballad of Blit              Ma 7/88, CB-59, CS-51
Riders of the River-Dragons      Ma 8/88, CB-60, CS-51
On the Track of the She-Pirate   Ma 9/88, CB-61, CS-52
Lord of the Lions                Ma 1/89, CB-62, CS-52
Death Among the Ruins            Ma 3/89, CB-63, CS-52
Fiends of the Feathered Serpent  Ma 6/89, CB-65, CS-85
Dagger and Death-Gods            MS 2/89, CB-66, CS-85
Beware of the Sacred Sons of Set MS 2/89, MF-6, CS-85
Talons of the Man-Tiger          MS 2/89, CB-67, CS-86
The Battle of the Barbarians     MS 2/89, MF-7, CS-86
Of Once and Future Kings         MS 2/89, CB-68, CS-86
The Demon Out of the Deep        Ma 9/89, CB-69, CS-75
The City in the Storm            Ma 11/89, CB-70, CS-87
The Secret of Ashtoreth          Ma 12/89, CB-71, CS-87
Vengeance in Asgalun             Ma 13/89, CB-72, CS-88
He Who Waits - in the Well of SkeMa 1/90, CB-73, CS-88
The Battle at the Black Walls    Ma 2/90, CB-74
The Hawk-Riders of Harakht       Ma 4/90, CB-75
Swordless in Stygia              Ma 6/90, CB-76
When Giants Walk the Earth       Ma7/90, CB-77
The Lost Valley of Iskander      Ma 8/90, CB-79
Trial by Combat                  Co 1/92, CB-80
The Eye of the Serpent           Co 2/92, CB-81
The Sorceress of the Swamp       Co 3/92, CB-82
The Dance of the Skull           Co 4/92, CB-83
The Leopard Men of Darfar        SS-97
Two Against the Hawk-City        Co 5/92, CB-84
The Swordsmen and the Sorcerer   Co 6/92, CB-85
The Devourer of the Dead         Co 7/92, CB-86
The Queen and the Corsairs       Co 8/92, CB-88
The Sword and the Serpent        Co 9/92, CB-89
The Diadem of the Giant-Kings    Co 10/92, CB-90
Savage Doings in Shem            Co 11/92, CB-91
Rage and Revenge                 Co 12/92, CB-93
The Beast-King of Abombi         Co 1/93, CB-94, CS-38
The Return of Amra               Co 2/93, CB-95, CS-38
The Long Night of Fang and Talon Co 3/93, CB-96, CS-39
The Long Night of Fang and Talon Co 4/93, CB-97, CS-39
Sea-Woman                        Co 5/93, CB-98
Devil-Crabs of the Dark Cliffs   Co 6/93, CB-99
Death on the Black Coast         Co 7/93, CB-100
The Devil Has Eight Legs         CB-101
The Men Who Drink Blood          CB-102
Bride of the Vampire             CB-103
Vale of Lost Women               CB-104
The Castle of Terror             CB-105
Chaos in the Land Called Kush    CB-106
Demon of the Night               CB-107
The Moon-Eaters of Darfar        CB-108
Sons of the Bear God             CB-109
Beware the Bear of Heaven        CB-110
Cimmerian - against a City       CB-111
Buryat Besieged                  CB-112
A Devil in the Family            CB-113
The Shadow of the Beast          CB-114
A War of Wizards                 CB-115
Valley of Forever Night          CB-118
The Voice of One Long Gone       CB-119
The Hand of Erlik                CB-120
The Price of Perfection          CB-121
The City Where Time Stood Still  CB-122
The Horror Beneath the Hills     CB-123
The Eternity War                 CB-124
The Witches of Nexxx             CB-125
The Blood Red Eye of Truth       CB-126
The Snow-Haired Woman of the Wastes CB-127
And Life Sprang Forth From These CB-128
The Creation Quest               CB-129
The Quest Ends                   CB-130
The Ring of Rhax                 CB-131
Games of Gharn                   CB-132
The Witch of Widnsor             CB-133
A Witch in Time                  CB-134
The Forest of the Night          CB-135
The River of Death               CB-136
Titan's Gambit                   CB-137
Isle of the Dead                 CB-138
In the Lair of the Damned        CB-139
Spider Isle                      CB-140
The Web Tightens                 CB-141
The Maze, the Man, the Monster   CB-142
Life Among the Dead              CB-143
The Blade and the Beast          CB-144
Son of Cimmeria                  CB-145
Night of the Three Sisters       CB-146
Tower of Mitra                   CB-147
The Plague of Forlek             CB-148
Deathmark                        CB-149
Tower of Flame                   CB-150
Vale of Death                    CB-151
The Dark Blade of Jergal Zadh    CB-152
The Bird Men of Akah Maat       CB-153
The Man-Bats of Ur-Xanarrh       CB-154
Dark Night of the White Queen    CA-8
The Anger of Conan               CB-155
The Curse                        CB-156
The Wizard                       CB-157
Night of the Wolf                CB-158
Cauldron of the Doomed           CB-159
Veil of Darkness                 CB-160
House of Skulls                  CB-161
Destroyer in the Flame           CB-162
Cavern of the Vines of Doom      CB-163
Jeweled Sword of Tem             CB-164
Temple of the Dragon             CB-165
Blood of the Titan               CB-166
The Creatures from Time's Dawn   CB-167
The Bird Woman and the Beast     CB-168
Tomb of the Scarlet Mage         CB-169
Dominion of the Dead             CB-170
Scorched Earth                   CA-10
The Crimson Brotherhood          CB-186
Wrath of the Rambling God        CA-9
The Devourers                    SS-182
The Masque of the Demon          SS-185
Lords of the Falcon              SS-116
Isle of the Faceless Ones        SS-115
Wizard Fiend of Zingara          SS-61
Hawks over Shem                  SS-36, CS-49
Panther Blood                    CB-262
Acts of Bravery                  SS-185
The Lurker in the Labyrinth      SS-71
Demons of the Firelight part I & II SS-78&79
Forest of Fiends                 SS-91
Devourer of Souls                SS-90
The Ape-Bat of Marmet Tarn       SS-96
Claws of the Osprey              SS-108
The Statterer of Worlds          SS-109
The Blood Ruby of Death          SS-98
The Well of Whispers             SS-177
Horror  out of Time              SS-186
Hunter's Moon                    SS-171
Barbarian Death Song             CS-171
Reavers in the Borderland        CB-172, Co 1/94
Honor among Thieves              CB-173, Co 2/94
Children of the Night            CB-174, Co 3/94
The Scarlet Personage            CB-175, Co 3/94
Argos Rain                       CB-176, Co 4/94
Well of Souls                    CB-177, Co 5/94
Death Hunt                       CB-178, Co 6/94
The End of All There Is          CB-179, Co 6/94
Witches' Keep                    CB-180, Co 7/94
Maddoc's Reign                   CB-181, Co 8/94
Testament                        CB-182, Co 9/94
Blood Dawn                       CB-183, Co 9/94
Swords                           CB-184
Monument                         CB-185
Resurrection                     CB-187
The Killing Season               CB-188
Rites of Inquisition             CB-189
Exodus                           CB-190
Deliverance                      CB-191
Keeper                           CB-192
Shedu                            CB-193
Victory                          CB-194
Blood of Ages                    CB-195
The Beast                        CB-196
Stand                            CB-197
The River                        CB-198
Revelations in the Mist          CB-199
Legions of the Dead              CA-12
The Fall of Acheron              CB-200
Into the Black Pit               CB-201
The Seven Lives of Thulsa Doom   CB-202
Wrath of the Necromancer         CB-203
Bride                            CA-11
Goblin!                          CB-204
Necropolis                       CB-205
Sands upon the earth             CB-206
Community                        CB-207
Triad                            CB-208
Dark Horse                       CB-209
Storm                            CB-210
Narrow House                     CB-211
The Warrior's Way                CB-212
The Gate                         CB-213
City of Light                    CB-214
Death Pit                        CB-215
The Blade of Zed                 CB-216
Beneath the City of Shadows      CB-217
Island Life                      CB-218
Devil's Gate                     CB-219
Blood and Ice                    CB-220
The Mask of Vengeance            CB-222
The Wheel of Life and Death      CB-223
He Who Hungers                   CB-224
Elixir of Darkness               CB-225
The Shape in the Shadow          CB-226
Catspaw                          CB-227
Red Teeth                        CB-228
Red Eyes                         CB-229
In the Land of the Lotus         CB-230
The Burning Tower                CB-231
Lady of the Snows                SS-74
The Homecoming                   SS-119
The Wrath of Crom                SS-157
Children of Rhan                 SS-64
The Crimson Citadel              SS-141
Blind Vengeance                  SS-142
The Endless River of Blood       SS-188
Quest for the Shrine of Luma     SS-113, Co 10/91
The Siren                        SS-101, Co 7/92
The Skull of Set                 GN, CAL 2
The Sea of No Return             SS-66
Seventh Isle of Doom             SS-136
Colossus of Argos                SS-80
The Boon                         SS-116
The Fear of Crom                 SS-108, Co 2/93
The Witch Queen of Acheron       GN
The Winds of Aka Gaar            SS-117
The Opponents                    SS-117
The Fountain of Umir             SS-121
The Vengeance of Nitocris        SS-217
Behind the Walls of Night        SS-155
God of Thieves (part I)          SS-211
God of Thieves (part II)         SS-212
Bane of the Dark Brotherhood     SS-158
The Autumn of the Witch          SS-130
The Mill                         SS-105
The Wheel                        SS-159
The Horned God                   SS-162
The Mercenary                    SS-126
The Gamesmen of Asgalun          SS-89
The Mud Men of Keshan            SS-111
All Roads Lead to Zamora         CB-241
They Came to Castle Zukala       CB-242
Dawn and Death-Gods              CB-243
Fiends of the Flaming Mountains  CB-244
Empire of the Undead             CB-245
Chaos in Khoraja                 CB-246
The Sword That Conquers All      CB-247
The Peril and the Prophecy       CB-248
Black Colossus                   SS-2, CS-12
Red Wind                         CB-249
Chaos beneath Kuthchemes         CB-250
On the Wings of Demons           CB-251
At the Mountains of the Moon-God SS-3, CS-12
The Lady in the Tower            SS-98
The Rescue                       SS-181
Child of Sorcery                 SS-29, CS-28
The Dead of the Living Night     CB-252
The Pit and the Parasite         CB-253
Havoc in Hyperborea              CB-254
Priests of the Purple Plague     CB-255
Blood and Bones                  CB-256
Night Wings over Nemedia         CB-257
Savage Homecoming                CB-258
The Mountain Where Crom Dwells   CB-259
The Second Coming of Shuma-GorathCB-260
Scarlet Tears                    CB-261
Panther's Blood                  CB-262
The Voice of Moloq               CB-263
White Apes, Ebon Thrones (part I)CB-264
White Apes, Ebon Thrones (part II)CB-265
Silver Rain                      CB-266
The Changeling                   CB-267
Death Comes Creeping...          CB-268
When Mountains Walk              CB-269
A Fire on the Lake               CB-270
The Devourer Comes to Dark ValleyCB-271
A Feast of Souls                 CB-272
Lords of the Lotus               CB-273
Demon-Wings over Zamora          CB-274
Cry Kozak!                       ECCB-275
When turns the Wheel of Swords   SS-218
The Black Hound of Death         SS-219
Talons of Nergal                 SS-220
Death has four fingers           SS-221
The Ravagers Out of Time         GN
The Many Mirrors of Tuzun Thune  SS-223
Dragons of the Worlds Dawn       SS-224
.....
See the Savage Sword of Conan
...
Reavers of the Steppes           SS-131
The Army of the Dead             SS-110
Brothers                         SS-160
Iron Shadows in the Moon         SS-4, CS-13
Temple of the Tiger              SS-62
Conan the Reaver                 GN
The Road of the Eagles           SS-38, CS-59
Conan the Rogue                  GN
The Feeders from the Skies       #NAME?
A Witch Shall Be Born            SS-5, CS-32
The Sleeper beneath the Sands    SS-6, CS-33
The Mirror of the Manticore      SS-58, CS-54
The Citadel at the Center of TimeSS-7, CS-15
The Curse of the Cat-Goddess     SS-9, CS-15
Dominion of the Bat              SS-76
The Armor of Zulda Thaal         SS-87
Isle of the Hunter               SS-88
The Chain                        SS-91
The Decapitating God             SS-183
Moat of Blood                    SS-63
The Iron Lions of Kharamun       SS-102, Co 5/92
Black Tears                      SS-35, CS-58
The Abode of the Damned          SS-11, CS-14
The Haunters of Castle Crimson   SS-12, CS-36
Blood of the Gods                SS-28, CS-19
The Fangs of the Serpent         SS-65
Shadows in Zamboula              SS-14, CS-17, Co 3/90
The God of Thieves               SS-211
The Blood of Bel                 SS-212
The Star of Khorala              SS-44, CS-60
Lion of the Steppes              SS*** (NOT YET RELEASED!!)
Son of the White Wolf            SS-37, Co 3/91
What Can One Man Do?             SS-189, Co 1/94
Blood Circus                     SS-146, Co 2/94
Vulture's Shadow                 SS-47, Co 3/94
Besieger of Cities               SS-148, Co 4/94
Slaves of the Circle             SS-149
Call to the Slain                SS-150
Fury of the Near-Men             SS-151
Valley beyond the Stars          SS-152
Blood on the Sand                SS-153
Return of the Iron Damsels       SS-154
The Devil in Iron                SS-15, CS-46, Co 4/91
The Flame Knife                  SS-31, CS-34, Co 8/91
The Ghouls of Yanaidar           SS-32, CS-35, Co 9/91
City of Rats                     SS-165
...In the Eye of the Beholder    SS-111
Daughter of the God-King         SS-85
Revenge of the Sorcerer          SS-86
The Toll                         SS-114
People of the Black Circle       SS-16, CS-28
On to Yimsha                     SS-17, CS-29
The Battle of the Towers         SS-18, CS-30
Vengeance in Vendhya             SS-19, CS-31, Co 6/91
What Dwells Below                SS-179
Night of the Rat                 SS-95
Blade of the Demon Slayer        SS-175
The White Tiger                  SS-103
A Tomb for the Living            SS-173
The Vezek Inn                    Co 1/94, SS-109
At the Altar of the Goat God     SS-125
Alchemy                          SS-118
A Dream of Empire                SS-112
Rogue's Honor                    SS-156
The Face of God                  SS-181
Curse of the Ageless Ones        SS-128
The Slithering God               SS-164
Master of the Broadsword         SS-132
The Power of Honor               SS-188
The Slithering Shadow            SS-20, CS-16
The Horror from the Red Tower    SS-21, CS-21
Pillar of the Sky                SS-178
The Waiting Doom                 SS-144
Feast of the Stag                SS-145
Riddle of the Demuzaar           SS-114
The Informer                     SS-99
The Gem in the Tower             SS-45
The Skull on the Seas            SS-190
Jade Coils in Black Khemi        SS-191
The Cape of Dark Dreams          SS-192
Death in a Land Unknown          SS-193
The Witch-Queen of Yamatai       SS-194
Thunder beneath Yamatai          SS-195
The Devourer of the Dead         SS-196
A Night in Messantia             SS-197
The Soul Eater                   SS-198
Treachery on Tortage             SS-199
The Sword and the Scythe         SS-202
Marauders in Mero               SS-203
Drums and Death out of Tombalku  SS-204
Kheshatta                        SS-205
When Wizards Make War            SS-206
Revenge of the Barbarian         MCSS, CS-71
The Changeling Quest             SS-73
The Blossoms of the Black Lotus  SS-122
The Temple of the Twelve-Eyed thing SS-75
Devil in the Dark (part I)       SS-82
Devil in the Dark (part II)      SS-83
The Pool of the Black One        SS-22, CS-47
Torrent of Doom                  SS-23, CS-48
The Sea Mage's Daughter          SS-129
Plunder of Death Island          SS-67
Death Dwarves of Stygia          SS-94
A Dream of Blood                 SS-40, CS-42
The Quest for the Cobra Crown    SS-41, CS-43
The Devil-Trees of Gamburu       SS-42, CS-44
King Thoth-Amon                  SS-43, CS-45
Black Cloaks of Ophir            SS-68
Eye of the Sorcerer              SS-69
Swords of Sukhmet                SS-225
Red Nails                        ST-2, CS-9, Co 2/90
The Thing from the Catacombs     ST-3, CS-9, Co 2/90
The Gods Above - the Beasts Below SS-211
To Live as Gods... To Die as Men SS-212
Death Has Four Corners           SS-213
When Wakes the Golden Serpent    SS-215
When Walks the Living Wind       SS-217
Jewels of Gwahlur                SS-26, CS-20
The Ivory Goddess                SS-60, CS-65
Disciple                         SS-184, Co 6/92
Reunion in Scarlet               SS-127
There Will Come a Stranger       SS-124
Blood Bond                       SS-187, Co 5/93
The Jeweled Bird                 SS-92
Feud of Blood                    SS-106
The Eyes of G'Bharr Rjinn        SS-107
Emerald Lust                     SS-170, Co 1/93
The Fury of the Iron Damsels     SS-179, Co 2/93
Winter of the Wolf               SS-133, Co 1/92
Cursers of the Light             SS-134
Code of the Wolf                 SS-163
Swarm of the Bogwitch            SS-172, Ma 7/93
..Missing some...
Three Lives for N'Garthl         SS-135
Mitra Defend Us                  SS-112
The Lost Legion                  SS-137
Lair of the Lizard God           SS-138
The Garden of Blood              SS-139
The Girl of the Haunted Wood     SS-140

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Re: Conan and friends
Posted by John Simons on February 07, 2001 at 23:58:16:
In Reply to: Re: Conan and friends
posted by rm on January 28, 2001 at 17:01:26:

: It would be fun to see, but a momentous task. Anyone out there 
have chrolnolgy on Conan, et al.?

Actually, somewhere on the web is a chronology of the conan comics 
by none other than Roy Thomas himself. (and if he can't get it right, 
who can?)

I don't have the URL handy, but it does exist out there...

John

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gatherers
Posted by rm on January 28, 2001 at 16:46:46:

chronological analysis of gatherer appearances may be incomplete, 
but a note just in case. anti-vision and jocasta 2 who appeared in 
the vision mini, also appeared in avengers vol 1 as members of the 
gatherers

rm

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Re: gatherers
Posted by Russ Chappell on January 28, 2001 at 22:32:00:
In Reply to: gatherers
posted by rm on January 28, 2001 at 16:46:46:

Was it in issues that have already been analyzed, or were these 
appearances during the gap?

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Re: gatherers
Posted by Andy Holcombe on January 29, 2001 at 03:43:32:
In Reply to: Re: gatherers
posted by Russ Chappell on January 28, 2001 at 22:32:00:

The Avengers versus the Gathers was of and on from approximately 
#350-375.

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Re: gatherers
Posted by Johnnypt on January 29, 2001 at 18:36:58:
In Reply to: Re: gatherers
posted by Andy Holcombe on January 29, 2001 at 03:43:32:

Those issues almost fit the gap perfectly-The first Gatherers issue 
(#343) is from January 1992 and the finale (#375) is June 1994.

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Question for the MCP on GAMBIT dreamscrapings
Posted by Jeph! on January 29, 2001 at 15:49:41:

How is the MCP looking at the Dreamscrape sequences in the Gambit 
vol. 3 series?

Generally, in every issue of Gambit, a dream telepath named Fontanelle 
invaded the dreams of supporting characters in order to learn their 
impressions of Remy LeBeau.  Fabian Nicieza used these one-page 
interludes as ways to fill in background information and drop hints 
about upcoming stories.

Now, the Key states that dreams are not valid entries in the MCP -- 
but these dreamscrapes are different.  They are intended, as written, 
to be MEMORIES brought up and studied by Fontanelle while her subject 
is dreaming.  Sometimes she and the subject can interact with the 
memories, but generally she just lets them play out as they happened.  
To me, this constitutes more of a Flashback then a Dream, and I think 
that in those cases the dreamscrape sequence should be incorporated 
into the MCP as a flashback.

Examples of both:  in GAM3 19, Fontanelle watches Bullseye dream of 
killing the Kingpin and taking over the underworld.  Bullseye then 
becomes aware that he is dreaming, and yells at Fontanelle.  This 
is an appearance by Fontanelle and Bullseye, but not an actual 
flashback to anything.

And in GAM3 11, Fontanelle enters Mr. Sinister's dreams, and watches 
memories of his life in 1890s New York.  The characters do not 
interact, and Mr. Sinister never becomes aware that he is dreaming.  
Fontanelle merely sits in the background of some panels while a past 
event plays out in front of her.  Even if you don't want to count the 
panels in which Fontanelle appears, then panels 1, 2, and 5 are still 
"pure" flashback.  This sequence, I feel, should count as an 
appearance of Fontanelle and a FB appearance of Mr. Sinister (between 
CP2 4 and GAM3 13).

Obviously, the dreamscrapes should be taken on a case-by-case basis, 
but most of them, I feel, can be considered at least partially canon.

Following this logic, there is a piece in GAM3 2 that needs expanding 
on: a dreamscrape of Tante Mattie that relives memories of her 
childhood in 1891.  As the sequence opens, she is a child, running 
from a mob.  She barricades herself in a church, and then when she 
ees Fontanelle sitting on the altar, she realizes she is dreaming.  
The mob breaks down the door, and that's when Gambit surprisingly 
drops in from the roof, driving back the mob and saving young Tante 
Mattie.  Fontanelle wonders whether Gambit time-travelled to 1891, 
or whether he's just a lot older than everybody thinks, and the 
dreamscrape ends.

Now, seeing as Tante Mattie realizes she is dreaming (and says so), 
certain parts of the piece are one step removed from reality.  But 
since neither she nor Fontanelle interfere with the replay of the 
memory, everything that they see occur should still be considered a 
canon flashback.

Discounting panels that contain Fontanelle and an aware Tante Mattie, 
we are left with the following as canon:

Page 10, panels 1-4  (Tante Mattie barricades herself in the church)
Page 11, panel 5  (a charged card flies onto the scene)
Page 12, panels 1 and 2  (Gambit drives the crowd back)

This constitutes a flashback for Tante Mattie (her earliest 
appearance), and a flashback for Gambit that occurs after he 
time-travels to 1891 (between GAM3 14 and GAM3 16-FB, where Gambit 
goes to Mr. Sinister to get his powers upped so he can return to 
the present).

Fontanelle's dreamscrapings are one of the best storytelling devices 
in Nicieza's Gambit series, and I believe that the complexity of 
their storytelling should be incorporated into the MCP, and not 
merely brushed aside as "a dream sequence".  They're so much more 
than that.

	-Jeph!

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Re: Question for the MCP on GAMBIT dreamscrapings
Posted by Russ Chappell on January 29, 2001 at 18:53:51:
In Reply to: Question for the MCP on GAMBIT dreamscrapings
posted by Jeph! on January 29, 2001 at 15:49:41:

> Now, the Key states that dreams are not valid entries in the MCP 
-- but these dreamscrapes are different.  They are intended, as 
written, to be MEMORIES brought up and studied by Fontanelle while 
her subject is dreaming.

Can you back this up? In other words, is there anything in the 
stories themselves, perhaps Fontanelle pontificating on her powers, 
that suggests that these dreamscapes are telling actual past events, 
as they actually occurred?

> Fontanelle's dreamscrapings are one of the best storytelling 
devices in Nicieza's Gambit series, and I believe that the complexity 
of their storytelling should be incorporated into the MCP, and not 
merely brushed aside as "a dream sequence".  They're so much more 
than that.

Well, they're not _entirely_ brushed aside. If Fontanelle appears 
only in a dreamscape, we treat that as a true appearance. But I 
understand what you're saying. If you can back it up, vis a vis 
the question above, I'll consider it.

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Re: Question for the MCP on GAMBIT dreamscrapings
Posted by Paul O'Brien on January 30, 2001 at 07:18:44:
In Reply to: Re: Question for the MCP on GAMBIT dreamscrapings
posted by Russ Chappell on January 29, 2001 at 18:53:51:

: Can you back this up? In other words, is there anything in the 
stories themselves, perhaps Fontanelle pontificating on her powers, 
that suggests that these dreamscapes are telling actual past events, 
as they actually occurred?

Well, from memory, there's Tante Mattie dreaming about being rescued 
as a child by Gambit, which is later verified in a time travel 
storyline several issues down the line.  The stories are certainly 
written on the assumption that the memories are genuine.

Not all of them can be independently verified, but then you could 
say that about the majority of flashbacks which are narrated by 
participating characters rather than by the omniscient narrator.

			*	*	*

Dreamscrape evidence
Posted by Jeph! on January 30, 2001 at 20:48:29:
In Reply to: Re: Question for the MCP on GAMBIT dreamscrapings
posted by Paul O'Brien on January 30, 2001 at 07:18:44:

:: Can you back this up? In other words, is there anything in the 
stories themselves, perhaps Fontanelle pontificating on her powers, 
that suggests that these dreamscapes are telling actual past events, 
as they actually occurred?

Skip to the end for my wrap-up summary, but here's a list of all the 
proof/evidence I could find:

To begin with, here's some of that "pontificating about her powers" 
stuff you mentioned  harder evidence:

Gambit #13:
FONTANELLE:  "You heard everything they said that night  didn't 
you, Bella Donna?"
BELLA DONNA:  "Huh?  Who're you?"
FONTANELLE:  "My name is FONTANELLE.  I am something of a dream 
therapist.  I take a stroll down memory lane while you sleep, find 
out what I need to find out, then say ta-ta.  In this case, memories 
of your Romeo and Juliet childhood."

Gambit #14:
FONTANELLE:  "I'm scraping your dreams  your MEMORY  of the picnic 
you had a couple of weeks ago with Remy."

Gambit #17:
FONTANELLE:  "So that's when he went and poked you through the 
chest?"
GAMBIT:  "Fontanelle?  Wait  am I jus' RELIVIN' my fight with 
Bullseye in my dreams?"
FONTANELLE:  "More like a nightmare."

Gambit #4:
FONTANELLE:  "I am a surgeon of the MIND  looking for a CANCEROUS 
MEMORY  you saw SOMETHING, Carter  you and little CHARLES XAVIER.  
What was it?  WHO was it?  Let me unlock that buried memory  yes  
whisper it to me  she said the words"
AMANDA MUELLER:  "BLACK WOMB"

Note the repeated use of the word "memory".

And here are two dreamscrapes that must be real memories, because 
they recalled canon events that occurred in the Gambit series:

Gambit #9:
TITHE COLLECTOR:  "Why am I dreaming ONE HUNDRED YEARS IN THE PAST?"
FONTANELLE:  "We're here because this is when your former boss, 
CANDRA  consummated a treacherous pact with the GUILDS OF NEW 
ORLEANS.  And also when you first met"
GAMBIT:  "ADAM, secure the rope!  JAKE, get down below, impersonate 
a BOBBY and draw attention away from US!"
TITHE COLLECTOR:  "Ah, not one of my better evenings, if I recall"
FONTANELLE:  "It would take forever to drag the truth out of you, 
so I just TOOK it."

The dialogue clearly states that this is a truthful memory from the 
Tithe Collector's past.  Gambit's line of dialogue is repeated word-
for-word in the presence of the Tithe Collector of 1891 in Gambit 
#12, which also detailed the consummation of the pact spoken of 
above.

Gambit #2:
TANTE MATTIE:  "Wait  St. John's church  de mob  I'm a little 
girl  dis is 1891  I'M DREAMIN'!  But if I know dis is a dream, 
why'm I so scared  like I REALLY WAS "
FONTANELLE:  "I have been consigned to play the part of  detective.  
I am here with very specific interests  here you are, trapped with 
an angry mob closing in  I wonder, just how did you manage to 
survive?"
TANTE MATTIE:  "Is dis what you wantedto find out 'bout REMY LeBEAU?"

This event in Tante Mattie's life  being chased by the mob and saved 
by a time-traveling Gambit  is verified in a flashback in Gambit 
#12.

Here's some narration and dialogue that make Fontanelle's mission 
statement and purpose a bit clearer:

Gambit #5:
Her name is FONTANELLE.  She psionically SCRAPES through a target's 
dreams to obtain information.  She has been in the employ of 
the NEW SON, who instructed her to piece together the puzzle that 
is REMY LeBEAU.  She's studied him through the memories and 
interpretations of people who know him.  Tonight, for fun, she 
decided to try and DREAMSCRAPE the New Son himself.  She struggles 
to wade through the tar-field of memories which make up the New 
Son's subconscious with a terrifying feeling of recognition.  Has 
she been where HE'S been?  Seen what he's seen?

Stating flat-out that Fontanelle can see, and is employed to study, 
her targets' memories.

Gambit #15:
NEW SUN:  "Part of [my] plan was RESEARCH.  And that is why I used 
your services."

Again, implying that Fontanelle's job was to research the factual 
past  through memories.

Gambit #7:
FONTANELLE:  "I'm really scraping around in [Scalphunter's] dream 
because of M'Sieu LeBeau  and what his role in the 'Morlock 
Massacre' years ago really was."
NEW SUN:  "What have you concluded regarding Remy's actions that 
fateful night?"

If Fontanelle and New Sun are looking for facts about past events, 
then they HAVE to be looking at a memory, instead of just a dream.

Here, now, is some supporting evidence  everything else I found 
that indicates that Fontanelle has elicited a real memory of a past 
event from someone.

Gambit #3:
FONTANELLE:  "Did you still use daddy's surname, ANUBAR, at this 
point?"
SEKMEHT:  "Uh  this happened  I was fifteen  but not like this  I 
rounded a corner and saw "
OZYMANDIAS:  "Who are you, rabble, to disrupt the sleep of the 
tomorrow walker?"
FONTANELLE:  "Shouldn't've gone in by yourself.  WHAT did daddy 
say?"
ANWAR:  "Sek, I FORBID you from entering that temple!"

Sek's "but not like this" line refers to Fontanelle's presence, 
which startled her.  Other than that, Sekmeht recognizes the 
dreamscrape as real events ("this happened  I was fifteen").

Gambit #6:
FONTANELLE:  "A shame she had to die like that, KIMBERLY."
KIMBERLY:  "What is this?  I'm not a child anymore  and my sister 
has been DEAD a long time!"

Kimberly recognizes the situation around her  implying that for 
her, it really happened.

Gambit #11:
PAPERBOY:  "GET'CHER GLOBE  NOTORIOUS CHILD KILLER SKIPS SCOT 
FREE!"
Mr. SINISTER:  "Here, lad  selling UNBORN BABIES, quite the 
horror"
FONTANELLE:  "Why were you so interested in that murder case?"

Fontanelle's use of "were", past tense, implies that she is 
watching real memories.

Gambit #22:
FONTANELLE:  "New Son  that's him  fighting so many of Earth's 
heroes  or HIS Earth's heroes  but this happened YEARS ago!  
Bill  just how much do you know?"

Paul O'Brien is right: the stories are written making the 
assumption that the dreamscrapes are genuine memories.  Some 
of them come back to haunt the readers as real events, and 
several of them are written solely to drop new information 
into a character's past.  There are certain dreamscrapes (Angel 
in Gambit #10 or Gambit himself in #8, for example) that merely 
involve Fontanelle talking to her target  the equivalent of a 
telepathic conversation.  But, by and large, Fabian Nicieza means 
for the audience to take the revelations spun in the dreamscrape 
sequences as canon flashbacks that enrich and deepen the past of 
the story he is trying to tell.

Hope that's proof enough for you  I can't possibly come up with 
any more.  : )

	-Jeph!

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GAMBIT vol. 3 #3-5
Posted by Jeph! on January 30, 2001 at 01:14:02:

I'm taking a break from Captain Britain.

Russ, I tried to volunteer for some Gambit issues on the Gap2 page, 
but the "volunteer" link was wrong, so I'm just going to post the 
chronologies here on the web board.  Hope you don't mind.  Also, I 
do have solid evidence to point to in my defense of Fontanelle's 
dreamscrapes as canon, but I'll get around to organizing it and 
posting it later.  As far as this post is concerned, I've included 
them as canon, with careful notes.

In any case, here are chronologies for Gambit, vol. 3, #3-5.

GAMBIT Vol. 3 #3  April 1999
"Monsters Like Us" by Fabian Nicieza and Steve Skroce

Characters appearing:
Gambit
Mary Purcell, BTS
Courier
Ms. T
Mr. Quark
Mr. D.N.A.
The Pelican
Grigori "Greg Mengo" Mengochauzcraus
Stanislaus "Stan Mengo" Mengochauzcraus
Fontanelle
Sekmeht Conoway
Huey
Quiet Bill

Characters appearing in dreamscrape/flashback:
Sekmeht Conoway
Fontanelle
Ozymandias
Anwar Anubar
Gambit

Synopsis:  Gambit spies on Courier, who attends a meeting to try 
to recruit the Crew A.S.K.E.W. to New Son's world-shaping cause.  
The meeting is crashed by the Pelican, an arms smuggler who brings 
a powerful, mind-sapping gas that he wants the Crew to replicate 
for him.  The cannister, rigged by the Mengo brothers, opens, and 
all in the room (save Courier) are mutated into docile, misshapen 
monsters.  The Mengo brothers make their entrance, collecting the 
scientists and the gas and loading them into their ship, but Gambit 
breaks in and pursues them.  They end up in a section of New York 
called Onslaught Alley, condemned and populated by bums.  One of 
the bums is named Quiet Bill, a mutant with the ability to open 
uncontrolled dimensional portals.  He has a seizure at the approach 
of the fight, and opens a huge portal that sucks in the Crew 
A.S.K.E.W. and the Pelican, and almost engulfs the Mengos' ship 
as well.  The Mengos retreat with the sealed gas cylander, but 
Gambit ends up with the smaller canister of gas that was inside 
it.  Quiet Bill and his friend Huey reject Gambit's offer of help, 
and Gambit muses that the Mengos were almost certainly working for 
the mysterious figure known as the Pig.  Meanwhile, Fontanelle 
dreamscrapes Sekmeht Conoway, and discovers that she had an 
encounter with Ozymandias when she was fifteen, and that she 
has quite the crush on Gambit

Notes:  Kevin Smith references abound in this issue  the Crew 
A.S.K.E.W. (first introduced this issue and never seen again) are 
a reference to Kevin Smith's View Askew production house, and the 
names Huey and Quiet Bill are references to Smith's characters 
Jay and Silent Bob.

Also, notes on Sekmeht's dreamscrape: this is easily one of the 
most fantastical and dreamlike of the dreamscrapes; very little 
of it can be considered a canon flashback.  What we see is this: 
Sekmeht is studying glyphs in Egypt, but is startled by Fontanelle.  
She runs, realizing that she is reliving a memory, and rounds a 
corner to bump into Ozymadias.  She falls back through blackness, 
her outfit becoming Egyptian, remembering her father's stern 
warnings not to enter the temple, and she is saved by Gambit, 
who catches her (a reference to his saving her in Gambit #1, where 
they met) and they kiss.  Fontanelle laughs and ends the session.

Now, what of this is canon?  Only page 8, panel 6 (and possibly 7), 
and the flashback portion of panel 8.  All the rest is (as 
Fontanelle puts it) "self-aggrandizing interpretations of real 
events"  such as Gambit's overly heroic resuce of the damsel in 
distress, a romantic spin on the events of issue #1.  Two panels 
are canon, but it's enough to pin flashback appearances for three 
characters: Anwar Anubar, Sekmeht Conoway, and Ozymandias  about 
ten to fifteen years ago.

Also:  Mary Purcell, the green spirit that saved Gambit's life in 
the Antarctic, makes a behind-the-scenes appearance in this issue 
(as well as issues 4 and 5) by virtue of living symbiotically inside 
Gambit's body at the time.

And one final note, on chronology:  GAM3 2 and 3 need to occur 
before the Magneto War storyline  only days separate the end of 
the Magneto War in X 87 and the X-Men getting transported to the 
Skrull homeworld in UX 368  and XU 23 occurs in that interim as 
well.  UX 368 to X@'99 are one continuous storyline, with no gaps.  
GAM3 5 also occurs after the Magneto War, and because of that lack 
of gaps it has to take place *just * after the War.  It seems 
ridiculous to assume that GAM3 2 through 5, and XU 23, all take 
place in that break of "days"  the best compromise is that GAM3 
2 and 3 take place before X:MW, and 4 and 5 take place after X 87 
(and that GAM3 6 and 7, as well as the '99 annual, take place 
between X@'99 and the Shattering storyline that began in UX 372, 
of which GAM3 8 is a part).  This means that for the chronologies 
of Gambit and Storm, GAM3 2 needs to be moved back to between X 
85 and X:MW 1.

Chronologies:
- Gambit (and Mary Purcell, BTS) appeared last in GAM3 2 (see 
above note), and next in X:MW 1.
- Courier appeared last in GAM3 1, and next in GAM3 8.
- This is the first and only apearance for Ms. T, Mr. Quark, and 
Mr. D.N.A. of the Crew A.S.K.E.W., and for the Pelican.
- Grigori and Stanislaus Mengochauzcraus appeared last in GAM3 2, 
and next in GAM3 4.
- Fontanelle appeared last in GAM3 2, and next in GAM3 4.
- Sekmeht Conoway appeared in the dreamscrape flashback in this 
issue (at age 15), then in GAM3 1, then the main body of this 
issue, then next in GAM3 10.
- This is the first appearance for Huey and Quiet Bill.  They 
appeared next in GAM3 10.
- Ozymandias appeared in the dreamscrape flashback in this issue 
between GAM3 14 (in 1891) and UX 332, his first appearance.
- Anwar Anubar appeared in the dreamscrape flashback in this issue 
prior to his first appearance in GAM3 1.

----

GAMBIT Vol. 3 #4   May 1999
"Old Wounds, Fresh Blood!" by Fabian Nicieza and Steve Skroce

Characters appearing:
Jerome Mouchier
Francois Chicault
Blade
Gambit
Mary Purcell, BTS
Tante Mattie
Jean-Luc LeBeau
Bella Donna Boudreaux
Minister Tome
Minister Hoard
Fontanelle
Carter Ryking (Hazard)
Cosmo Stephanopolous
Maria Ellenthorpe
Jack Farley (Fireballs)
The X-Cutioner
Stan Mengo
Greg Mengo
The Pig
Shirow Ishihara
Zoe Ishihara

Characters appearing in flashback:
Francois Chicault

Characters appearing in dreamscrape/flashback:
Charles Xavier (Professor X)
Carter Ryking (Hazard)
Fontanelle
Amanda Mueller

Synopsis:  An assassin-turned-vampire, Francois Chicault, is 
attacking members of the Antiquary's Brood (a subsection of the 
Thieves' Guild) in New Orleans, with Blade the vampire hunter on 
his trail.  Tante Mattie and Jean-Luc LeBeau call Gambit in on 
the case as well.  He encounters Blade in a cemetary, and the 
two of them forge an alliance with the Thieves' Guild and the 
Antiquary's clan to flush out the vampire, deciding that the best 
way to defeat him was to give him what he wanted.  Chicault, a 
historian before he was a vampire, sneaks into the Antiquary's 
house to read the Scriptures of the Old Kingdom, but is ambushed 
and killed by Blade.  In the confusion, Ministers Tome and Hoard, 
the keepers of the Antiquary's scriptures, obtain Chicault's book 
of notes for themselves.  Meanwhile, Zoe Ishihara and her brother 
Shirow, from the Tokyo branch of the Thieves' Guild, are on the 
run from the Pig and the Mengo brothers, and Fontanelle 
dreamscrapes Carter Ryking, learning of the existence of the Black 
Womb program.

Notes:  There is a three-panel flashback of Francois Chicault 
being turned into a vampire.  It occurs in the indeterminate 
near past, but since Chicault is the only one appearing, it's 
not important exactly when it appears.

Also, notes on Fontanelle's dreamscrape:  it details Carter Ryking's 
memories of a young Charlie Xavier (age 8?) and himself playing at 
the Almagordo nuclear facility where their parents worked (a 
reference to Nicieza's story in X 12-13).  As the flashback opens, 
they are running from a scary old woman they saw in a room in 
Almagordo, who whispered "Black Womb" to Carter.  Realizing he is 
dreaming, Carter watches as Fontanelle pulls up his memories of 
this woman (who is later revealed to be an aged Amanda Mueller, 
Fontanelle's mother).  Discounting Fontanelle's voiceover, the 
canon segments are panels 1, 2, 7 and 8, detailing flashback 
appearances for Charles Xavier, Carter Ryking, and Amanda Mueller, 
and the full dreamscrape details present-day appearances for 
Fontanelle and Carter Ryking.

Chronology:
- This is the first and only appearance of Jerome Mouchier.
- This is the only two appearances of Francois Chicault (GAM3 
4-FB and GAM3 4).
- Blade appeared last in the BLADE one-shot and next in PPSM 7.
- Gambit (and Mary Purcell, BTS) appeared last in X 87 and next 
in XU 23.
- Tante Mattie appeared last in GAM3 2, and next in GAM3 12-FB.
- Jean-Luc LeBeau appeared last in GAM3 1, and next in GAM3 5.
- Bella Donna Boudreaux appeared last in R 4, and next in GAM3 13.
- This is the first appearance of ministers Tome and Hoard.  They 
appeared next in GAM3 21.
- Fontanelle and Stan and Greg Mengo appeared last in GAM3 3, and 
next in GAM3 5.
- Carter Ryking last appeared in X 38 (not on the MCP, by the way), 
and has not appeared since.  His flashback appearance in the 
dreamscrape takes place between X 13-FB (also not on the MCP) and 
X 12-FB.
- Cosmo Stephanopolous, Maria Ellenthorpe, Jack Farley, and the 
X-Cutioner all appeared last in GAM3 2, and next in GAM3 5.
- This is the first appearance of Zoe and Shirow Ishihara, although 
technically they both appeared prior to this in a flashback in 
GAM3 7.  They both appeared next in GAM3 5.
- This is the first appearance of the Pig, although he appeared 
prior to this in the first half of GAM3 6 (set when Gambit was 
fifteen, although not a flashback).  He appeared next in the other 
half of GAM3 6, set in the present day.
- Charles Xavier's appearance in the dreamscrape flashback this 
issue, age eight or so, takes place between X 13-FB (again, not 
on the MCP) and UX 12-FB.
- This is Amanda Mueller's first appearance, but her latest (and 
last) chronologically.  The Amanda Mueller of 1891 appeared 
"previously" in GAM3 13.

----

GAMBIT Vol. 3 #5  June 1999
"Of Mice and Men  a tale of Gambit & Rogue" by Fabian Nicieza 
and Steve Skroce

Characters appearing:
The X-Cutioner
Rogue
Mariah Ellenthorpe
Gambit
Professor X
Nightcrawler
Shadowcat
Fontanelle
Cosmo Stephanapoulus
Jack Farley (Fireballs)
Mary Purcell
Jean-Luc LeBeau
Zoe Ishihara
Shirow Ishihara
Stan Mengo
Greg Mengo

Characters appearing in flashback:
Carl Denti (the X-Cutioner)

Characters appearing in dreamscrape/flashback:
AoA Magneto
AoA Rogue
alternate universe Amanda Mueller
The Dark Beast
the New Sun (/Son)

Synopsis:  The X-Cutioner kidnaps Rogue to force Gambit into a 
confrontation with him and the Elysian Enterprises security 
force.  The X-Men help Gambit reach the stargate the X-Cutioner 
has set up, and Gambit is transported to a space station.  He 
defeats the security force, and  with Rogue's help  shows the 
X-Cutioner how empty his quest for vengeance has become.  Eyes 
blurry, mask melted, the X-Cutioner sees two figures approaching 
him  and shoots them dead.  Unfortunately, they were Cosmo and 
Ellenthorpe of his own security force, and in this final 
demoralizing moment, he allows the space station to self-
destruct around him.  Gambit and Rogue barely escape through 
the stargate.  Meanwhile, Zoe and Shirow Ishihara, chased by 
the Mengo brothers, seek shelter from Jean-Luc LeBeau, and 
Fontanelle tries to dreamscrape the New Son himself  big mistake.

Notes on flashbacks:  This issue features some flashbacks that 
flesh out the background and childhood of the X-Cutioner, as he 
hears of his father's death and joins the military.  These are 
his earliest appearances, predating UX@17 (which isn't on the 
MCP yet).

Notes on names:  Mariah Ellenthorpe and Cosmo Stephanapoulus 
have names that are spelled many ways between GAM# 1, 2, 4, and 5, 
but these appear to be Nicieza's preferred spellings for them (by 
dint of occuring most frequently and consistently).  You have them 
correctly in the MCP  don't change them!

Notes on Fontanelle's dreamscrape:  Fontanelle's dreamscraping of 
the New Son (or, as he spells it, Sun) revealed only disjointed 
images, which were all touched upon in GAM3 24 during actual 
flashbacks.  No new material was presented in this dreamscrape 
except for the first on-panel appearance of the New Sun himself, 
kicking Fontanelle out of his dreams.  None of the appearances 
listed above (Dark Beast, for example) need to be archived on 
the MCP.

Notes on chronology:  I am placing this issue after XU 23, where 
Gambit is seen returning to the X-Men after an absence (which I 
am taking to be his trip to New Orleans in GAM3 4).

Chronology:
- The X-Cutioner appeared last in GAM3 4, and next in GAM3 17.  
His flashback appearance is his first, prior to UX@17.
- Gambit, Rogue, Professor X, Nightcrawler, and Shadowcat appeared 
last in XU 23, and next in UXM 368.
- Mariah Ellenthorpe and Cosmo Stephanapoulus last appeared in 
GAM3 4.  This was their final appearance.
- Fontanelle, Jean-Luc LeBeau, Zoe and Shirow Ishihara and Greg 
and Stan Mengo appeared last in GAM3 4, and next in GAM3 6.
- Jack Farley (Fireballs) appeared last in GAM3 4, and next in 
GAM3 17.
- Mary Purcell appeared last BTS in XU 23, and next BTS in UXM 
368.  This appearance is *not * BTS, by the way.  She has dialogue.
- This is the New Sun's first on-panel appearance, after being 
talked about since GAM3 1/2 (and we really need a better notation 
for the one-half issues, since 1/2 also means the second story in 
issue 1).  He appeared next in GAM3 8.

----

So, summing up (as usual for me, new entries or changes are marked 
with a star, and books not yet on the MCP are in parenthesis):

ANUBAR, ANWAR
*GAM3 3-FB
GAM3 1
GAM3 15-FB
(GAM3 15)

BLADE

BLADE
*GAM3 4
PPSM2 7


BOUDREAUX, BELLA DONNA
>
R 4
*GAM3 4
GAM3 13


*CHICAULT, FRANCOIS
*GAM3 4-FB
*GAM3 4

CONOWAY, SEKMEHT
*GAM3 3-FB
GAM3 1
GAM3 3
(GAM3 10)


COURIER / JACOB (JACQUELINE) GAVIN JR.
(GAM3 .5) <-the one-half issue
GAM3 1
*GAM3 3
(GAM3 8)


ELLENTHORPE, MARIAH
GAM3 1
GAM3 2
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5

FIREBALLS / JACK FARLEY
GAM3 1
GAM3 2
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
GAM3 17


FONTANELLE / GLORIA DAYNE
GAM3 1
*GAM3 2 (not BTS)
*GAM3 3
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
(GAM3 6)


GAMBIT / REMY LeBEAU

X 85
*GAM3 2 (change position)
*GAM3 3
X:MW 1
UX 366
X 86
UX 367
X 87
*GAM3 4
XU 23
*GAM3 5
UX 368

GAM3 14
*GAM3 2-FB
(GAM3 16-FB)


HAZARD / CARTER RYKING
*(X 13-FB)
*GAM3 4-FB
X 12-FB
X 12
X 13
(X 38)
*GAM3 4

*HUEY (if you include him, despite his lack of a last name)
*GAM3 3
(GAM3 10)


*ISHIHARA, SHIROW
(GAM3 7-FB)
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
(GAM3 6)


ISHIHARA, ZOE
(GAM3 7-FB)
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
(GAM3 6)


LEBEAU, JEAN-LUC

GAM3 1
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
(GAM3 6)


MENGOCHAUZCRAUS, GRIGORI ("GREG MENGO")
GAM3 2
*GAM3 3
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
(GAM3 6)


MENGOCHAUZCRAUS, STANISLAUS ("STAN MENGO")
GAM3 2
*GAM3 3
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
(GAM3 6)


MINISTER HOARD
*GAM3 4
GAM3 21
GAM3 22

MINISTER TOME
*GAM3 4
GAM3 21
GAM3 22

*MOUCHIER, JEROME
*GAM3 4

*MR. D.N.A.
*GAM3 3

*MR. QUARK
*GAM3 3

*MS. T
*GAM3 3

MUELLER, AMANDA
GAM3 13
*GAM3 4-FB

THE NEW SUN
(GAM3 24-FB)
GAM3 22-FB
(GAM3 24-FB)
*GAM3 5
(GAM3 8)


NIGHTCRAWLER / KURT WAGNER

XU 23
*GAM3 5
UX 368


OZYMANDIAS

GAM3 14
*GAM3 3-FB
UX 332


*THE PELICAN
*GAM3 3

*THE PIG
(GAM3 6-FB)
*GAM3 4
(GAM3 6)


PROFESSOR X / CHARLES XAVIER
*(X 13-FB)
*GAM3 4-FB
UX 12-FB

XU 23
*GAM3 5
UX 368


*PURCELL, MARY (should be BTS for all of Gambit's appearances 
from GAM3@'99-FB to GAM3@'99, plus non-BTS appearances for some.  
Right now I'm only listing her appearances that coincide with 
Gambit appearances I've discussed above.  More to come on her 
later.)

*X 85-BTS
*GAM3 2-BTS
*GAM3 3-BTS
*X:MW 1-BTS
*UX 366-BTS
*X 86-BTS
*UX 367-BTS
*X 87-BTS
*GAM3 4-BTS
*XU 23-BTS
*GAM3 5
*UX 368-BTS


QUIET BILL
*GAM3 3
(GAM3 10)


ROGUE

XU 23
*GAM3 5
UX 368


SHADOWCAT / KATHERINE PRYDE

XU 23
*GAM3 5
UX 368


STEPHANAPOULUS, COSMO
GAM3 1
GAM3 2
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5

STORM / ORORO MUNROE

X 85
*GAM3 2 (change position)
X:MW 1


TANTE MATTIE / MATTIE BAPTISTE

GAM3 2
*GAM3 4
GAM3 12-FB


THE X-CUTIONER / CARL DENTI
*GAM3 5-FB
(UX@17)

GAM3 2
*GAM3 4
*GAM3 5
GAM3 17


Hope all that made some semblance of sense, and that it's helpful 
to you.  Coming soon: Gambit 6, 7, and Annual '99.  (That, or 
Captain Britain 21-30  whichever.)

	-Jeph!

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AL B. Harper
Posted by Grim on January 30, 2001 at 17:16:11:

Has Al B. Harper ever appearing in the comics, not just mentioned 
by name. I know his gravestone appeared once.

I looked under Al and under Harper and didn't see any listings.

Prime Eternal, don't tell the Al from Comicboards; I'd like to make 
some sort of avatar for him if I can find any useable pictures!

Al, if you lurk here, you just spoiled your own surprise!

Thanks in advance, Grim (Don Brundage)

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Re: AL B. Harper
Posted by Prime Eternal on January 30, 2001 at 21:31:49:
In Reply to: AL B. Harper
posted by Grim on January 30, 2001 at 17:16:11:

You're after Silver Surfer Vol.1 #5. It's also available in 
Fantasy Masterpieces#5, and the Essential Silver Surfer.

: Prime Eternal, don't tell the Al from Comicboards; I'd like to 
make some sort of avatar for him if I can find any useable pictures!

Mum's the word!

Michael Hoskin

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Death Appearances
Posted by Katar on January 31, 2001 at 08:17:07:

There are two Death appearances that aren't listed.  In Man-Thing 
v.2 #10, Death appears in the form of John Kowalski (I guess this 
would be considered a BTS since John is never shown as the hooded 
skull-face death.)  John's identity as Death is confirmed in his 
appearance in Solo Avengers #5 (2nd story) Also, Death did appear 
as the more famous DC Death at Rick and Marlo Jones' wedding in 
Hulk #418.  (I don't know if you would count this or not.  Obviously 
Peter David was making fun of DC, but this could very well have been 
the canon Marvel Death since it has been shown that Death can assume 
darn near any appearance.  

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Re: Death Appearances
Posted by Paul O'Brien on January 31, 2001 at 17:55:34:
In Reply to: Death Appearances
posted by Katar on January 31, 2001 at 08:17:07:

:Obviously Peter David was making fun of DC, but this could very 
well have been the canon Marvel Death since it has been shown that 
Death can assume darn near any appearance.  

There's an issue of Excalibur (#25, I think) where Death turns up 
and cycles through a variety of his appearances mid-conversation, 
one of which is the Vertigo Death.

Actually, the Hulk appearance is just an excuse for a very poor 
pun.  But it looks very much like the canonical Death.

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Ultron 11 Apearances
Posted by Katar on January 31, 2001 at 14:33:33:

There are two flashback appearances for Ultron 11.  They should be 
placed after FF 277 and before M/GN 27.  WCA2 7 shows what happened 
to Ultron 11's head the day after FF 277.  His head was found by a 
Red Cross worker and then Ultron mind controlled her to send his 
head to the West Coast.  (Since both are listed as separate events, 
I guess you should list WCA2 7 twice???) 
