Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
Posted by Aaron Shirley on March 02, 2001 at 02:52:16:

Hello all; I've been enjoying the Marvel Chronology Project for 
quite some time, but only recently came across the message board.  
Can I ask the experts a couple of questions?

Well, obviously there are many members of the Watchers' race, but I 
know of only three by name.  Are there more besides Uatu, Aron, and 
Ecce that have made appearances?

What comics and/or series would you suggest (besides What If) that 
have stories telling about their race or members thereof?

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Re: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
Posted by SKleefeld on March 02, 2001 at 08:04:45:
In Reply to: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
posted by Aaron Shirley on March 02, 2001 at 02:52:16:

Offhand, I know of Varsu who was a rogue Watcher circa Silver Surfer 
#112-120. A lot of Watchers are seen in Fantastic Four #398-400, 
although I think only Uatu, Aron and the Grand Watcher are named. 
The only other non-Uatu/Aron/Ecce appearance I can think of at the 
moment was, I believe, in Quasar #13-16, where the Stranger 
investigates several Watchers' unexplained deaths. Couldn't give 
you any names from that, though.

 Sean

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Re: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
Posted by Lee K. Seitz on March 09, 2001 at 13:34:33:
In Reply to: Re: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
posted by SKleefeld on March 02, 2001 at 08:04:45:

> The only other non-Uatu/Aron/Ecce appearance I can think of at the 
moment was, I believe, in Quasar #13-16, where the Stranger 
investigates several Watchers' unexplained deaths. Couldn't give 
you any names from that, though.

Was that the "Journey into Mystery" story arc?  Anyway, it just 
popped into my head that at least one, maybe two, watchers are 
named in that.  One was something like Ohotmu.  Obviously named 
in homage to writer Mark Gruenwald's grand project, the Official 
Handbook of the Marvel Universe.

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Re: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on March 02, 2001 at 14:03:09:
In Reply to: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
posted by Aaron Shirley on March 02, 2001 at 02:52:16:

Aaron Shirley spake:

> Well, obviously there are many members of the Watchers' race, 
but I know of only three by name.  Are there more besides Uatu, 
Aron, and Ecce that have made appearances?

The ones listed on our prototype group tracking page (see below) 
are Aron, Abca, Ecce, Emnu, Ikor, Uatu, Ulig, Ute, and Utmu.

> What comics and/or series would you suggest (besides What If) that 
have stories telling about their race or members thereof?

QUASAR and CAPTAIN MARVEL v1 come to mind.  Although I don't have 
issue numbers for you, I think a few of these folks are listed in 
the Project.

- StAkAr

StAkAr's Group Tracking Proposal at
http://www.geocities.com/glakandar/propose.htm

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Re: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 02, 2001 at 20:51:42:
In Reply to: Watchers besides Uatu, Aron, and Ecce?
posted by Aaron Shirley on March 02, 2001 at 02:52:16:

Well, obviously there are many members of the Watchers' race, but 
I know of only three by name.  Are there more besides Uatu, Aron, 
and Ecce that have made appearances?

> What comics and/or series would you suggest (besides What If) that 
have stories telling about their race or members thereof?

As for "stories telling about their race," see the second story in 
Tales of Suspense #53, May, 1964. It's pretty much the origin of 
the Watchers. You should be able to pick it up in most 50-cent bins. 
Seriously, it's possible that it was reprinted as backups in the 
second volume of Fantasy Masterpieces, the series that reprinted 
the first Silver Surfer run.

Also, does anyone remember where the "Trial of the Watcher" 
storyline was published? All the other Watchers put Uatu on trial 
for constant meddling in the Earth sector. That would qualify as 
a story about their race.

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Mister Hyde error
Posted by Dr Bruce Banner on March 02, 2001 at 17:42:08:

Just wanted to put a notice up that the Mister Hyde chronology 
should not include Daredevil #83. In Captain America #151 on page 
11 it is revealed that Hyde was a robot.

Dr Bruce Banner

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possible minor problem w/ torch II and thing
Posted by Aaron Shirley on March 03, 2001 at 01:29:54:

First, I'm sorry.  I posted a question here last night, and thought 
afterwards, that maybe I posted something that may not have been 
appropriate subject matter for this message board.  I recognized 
the wealth of knowledge here, and had a question bugging me, so I 
asked... But I realize that the postings here are primarily for the 
purpose of debating the best ways to "chronologize stuff" for the 
MCP.  Thank you to those who replied anyway.

Second, maybe I can bring up something that adheres a little more 
closely to the appropriate subject matter:

Recently, I have been basically laying the (your) chronologies of 
the original members of the Fantastic Four down beside each other, 
and trying to work them into one "harmonized" version; sort of as a 
reading list for myself.  Well, the other day, I came across some 
possible problems in their chronologies.  Of course, it's possible 
that I have no idea what I am looking at, since I dont HAVE ALL 
the issues, but I just wanted to ask to see if there is a reason 
its this way.  I saw it was basically with the listings for the 
Human Torch (II) and the Thing...  Below I have listed a few entries 
from the MCP, taking out the issues that the two (Torch II and 
Thing) do not have in common, for the purpose of making my post a 
little simpler and a lot shorter... 

Torch II
FF 273
M/FAN 20
M/FAN 21
QP 3
FF 274 to 277
TG 23

Thing
QP 3
FF 274
FF 277
M/FAN 20
M/FAN 21
TG 23

Okay, does it make sense what I am asking yet?  See where they are 
out of order?  I hope someone can explain this, but I also hope this 
doesnt make me look like a fool, or bothersome to the guys who 
really make this message board worth while.  So anyway, thanks again 
for any help, and thanks for one of the most valuable sites on the 
web.

Aaron

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Combined chronology
Posted by Jimmy on March 11, 2001 at 14:07:30:
In Reply to: possible minor problem w/ torch II and thing
posted by Aaron Shirley on March 03, 2001 at 01:29:54:

The Marvel Chronology Projekt just don't contain enough information 
if you are going to put several figures together into a combined 
Chronology. 

There are several possible reasons for the contradiction above:

1. A mistake has been done
2. The issue can be split into two (or more) parts. If this is going 
to work Thing and Human Torch can't be allowed to meet in the 
relevant issues.
3. Time travelling of some sort.
And of course reasons that I haven't thought about...

I've made a program (in JAVA-code) that combine the lists in this 
fantastic site. An example can be find here: 
http://marvels.cjb.com/chronology/swII.htm

A good thing with the program is that it discovers problems like 
this one with Thing/Human Torch. In cases like this it gets stuck 
in a neverending circle, and by letting it print what it is doing 
the problem's location can be found.

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Possible problem with Spider-Man chronology
Posted by Milbury on March 03, 2001 at 13:24:07:

The Spider-Man chronology page lists Spidey as appearing in Uncanny 
X-Men #337. However, I believe the Spider-Man who appears in that 
issue is Ben Reilly, not Peter Parker (which is why he calls Phoenix 
Marvel Girl).

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Whoops...
Posted by Milbury on March 04, 2001 at 00:47:57:
In Reply to: Possible problem with Spider-Man chronology
posted by Milbury on March 03, 2001 at 13:24:07:

Just realized that Parker does appear in UX 337--Reilly appears 
in 339 (for which he's still not listed). If I was using my real 
name, this would be really embarassing.

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Sabretooth: Missing issue
Posted by Sharpn on March 11, 2001 at 07:16:05:

Sabretooth also appeared in a story in Marvel Comics Presents #98 
with Werewolf By Night. Where exactly this fits in his chronology, 
I'm not sure. Apparently it took place after 'The fusion of Jack's 
human and wolf souls in MPC #56'

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Re: Sabretooth: Missing issue
Posted by Sharpn on March 11, 2001 at 07:21:43:
In Reply to: Sabretooth: Missing issue
posted by Sharpn on March 11, 2001 at 07:16:05:

And also Darkhold #4. This was his main appearence in it. 

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Re: Sabretooth: Missing issue
Posted by Jhaeman on March 11, 2001 at 13:27:21:
In Reply to: Sabretooth: Missing issue
posted by Sharpn on March 11, 2001 at 07:16:05:

> Sabretooth also appeared in a story in Marvel 
>Comics Presents #98 with Werewolf By Night

I'm not sure, but this issue would appear to be very close, if 
not within, the famed 1992-1994 gap.

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New DC Chronology Project started. *Kinda off-topic*
Posted by Tenzel Kim on March 11, 2001 at 10:17:22:

Hi there

Just in case any of you should have any interest in DC as well I 
just wanted to let you know that I've begun creating a new DC 
Chronology Project as the old one is no longer updated in any way.

The new project will be part of my Unofficial Guide to the DC 
Universe, but at the moment it's still in the initial conversion 
stage as I will be including a lot more information than the old 
project.

In case anybody would like to join in, please stop by the DCU 
Guide Message Board at http://www.comicboards.com/dcuguide/ and 
take a look.

Tenz.

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Re: New DC Chronology Project started. *Kinda off-topic*
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on May 13, 2001 at 11:34:59:
In Reply to: New DC Chronology Project started. *Kinda off-topic*
posted by Tenzel Kim on March 11, 2001 at 10:17:22:

Just so you know. I created the original DC Chronology Project, and 
you have my blessing to move forward.  I actually have a lot more 
data, and I published it in my book The Incredible Internet Guide 
to Comic Books & Superheroes.  There's a whole chronology section.

Anyways, the only reason the old site is still up is I lost the 
account info and haven't been able to take it down.  

I've learned that the best way to do a chronology for a universe is 
to put every title in a single timeline, and then filter out just 
the ones that contain a particular character.  This works much better 
than maintaining a separate list for every character.

Anyway, good luck!  And keep me posted!

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Re: New DC Chronology Project started. *Kinda off-topic*
Posted by Tenzel Kim on May 19, 2001 at 18:02:25:
In Reply to: Re: New DC Chronology Project started. *Kinda off-topic*
posted by Jimmy Flowers on May 13, 2001 at 11:34:59:

Hi Jimmy

> Just so you know. I created the original DC Chronology Project, 
and you have my blessing to move forward.  I actually have a lot 
more data, and I published it in my book The Incredible Internet 
Guide to Comic Books & Superheroes.  There's a whole chronology 
section.

I know that you created the original and the only reason I didn't 
mention it was that I hadn't been able to get in touch with you so 
I didn't want to pretend that although we have been talking about 
the project and my site in the past you had given me the blessing 
to continue or anything. So I thought it best to leave your name 
out of it. However, looking at my post now I must admit that I at 
least should have mentioned the original site. Sorry about that.

Anyway I'm glad to have your blessings. It means a lot to me, 
especially considering I've already spent an entire week of holiday 
setting things up and lots of time on a daily basis after that 
getting things up and running.

I'll have to get my hands on the book sometime.

> Anyways, the only reason the old site is still up is I lost the 
account info and haven't been able to take it down.  

I know the feeling. I have the same problem with two old sites of 
my own.

> I've learned that the best way to do a chronology for a universe 
is to put every title in a single timeline, and then filter out just 
the ones that contain a particular character.  This works much 
better than maintaining a separate list for every character.

I know and I was going to work on that (at least for the post-Crisis 
stuff). However right now I'm busy just keeping up with all the new 
lists I'm getting.

> Anyway, good luck!  And keep me posted!

Thanks. Will do.

Tenz.

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Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
Posted by Jeph! on March 14, 2001 at 10:30:39:

First off, a few corrections to my write-up of BLINK #1:

The character glimpsed at the end of the issue is named Ayhmor 
in Blink #2, but is revealed in Blink #3 to be Annihilus himself.

Also, the inference from the series is that Blink is not in the 
"AoA Negative Zone", she is in the actual Negative Zone -- the one 
that connects to the Marvel Universe.  Therefore, this is the 
"mainstream", MU Annihuls, and the Blastaar that appeared in 
Blink #1 was the MU Blastaar, as well.

So: Characters appearing in Blink #1, updated:

AoA Rogue
AoA Morph (MU's Changeling)
AoA Blink
AoA Impossible Man
AoA Beast (Dark Beast)
AoA Magneto
AoA Holocaust
Madri (AoA Jamie Madrox)
*Blastaar
*Annihilus (as "Ayhmor")

Also, since the Blink series takes place at an unidentified time 
in the recent past, it's hard for me to place Blastaar and Annihilus' 
appearances.  The only clues we have is that, at this time, Annihilus 
has been deposed as ruler of the Negative Zone by the Fantastic Four, 
and is fighting a civil war to take it back from the usurper, 
Blastaar.

So, FF fans:  When was Annihilus deposed by the FF?  When did 
Blastaar rule the Negative Zone?  When did Annihilus get it back?

Remember, this series takes place in the "recent past" from X-Men: 
Alpha, which, since AoA time runs concurrent to MU time, means about 
a Marvel Year or two prior to FF 398 -- assuming that time runs the 
same in the Negative Zone.  :P  (All I'm saying is, don't suggest 
dates in the FF 108-110 range.)

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated...
	-Jeph!

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Re: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 14, 2001 at 19:27:32:
In Reply to: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
posted by Jeph! on March 14, 2001 at 10:30:39:

> Also, since the Blink series takes place at an unidentified time 
in the recent past, it's hard for me to place Blastaar and Annihilus' 
appearances.  The only clues we have is that, at this time, Annihilus 
has been deposed as ruler of the Negative Zone by the Fantastic Four, 
and is fighting a civil war to take it back from the usurper, 
Blastaar.

> So, FF fans:  When was Annihilus deposed by the FF?  When did 
Blastaar rule the Negative Zone?  When did Annihilus get it back?

I understand the reason for posting here, since you're working on 
a contribution for the Project itself, but since the question is 
about a plot point, rather than a chronological issue in and of 
itself, you might have better luck getting a response by asking 
the folks on the Fantastic Four Board at comicboards. Just a 
suggestion. Thanks for the work you're doing.

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Re: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
Posted by Paul O'Brien on March 15, 2001 at 03:58:34:
In Reply to: Re: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
posted by Russ Chappell on March 14, 2001 at 19:27:32:

> I understand the reason for posting here, since you're working on a 
contribution for the Project itself, but since the question is about 
a plot point, rather than a chronological issue in and of itself, you 
might have better luck getting a response by asking the folks on the 
Fantastic Four Board at comicboards. Just a suggestion. 

Probably a good place to look, but it's a major chronological issue 
for this series.  The story has Blink visiting the Negative Zone, and 
a reference to the FF having visited means that it can't be the AoA's 
version of the Negative Zone (since that world never had a FF).  That 
means the story must take place either in the past or present of the 
Negative Zone, and needs to be integrated into Blastaar and Annihilus' 
continuity.

If it can't be fitted into their history, then an alternative is that 
she's entered the Negative Zone of some third universe - or that it's 
the AoA Negative Zone having been visited by FF counterparts from 
elsewhere in the multiverse - but that doesn't seem to be the idea.

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Re: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 15, 2001 at 18:37:40:
In Reply to: Re: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
posted by Paul O'Brien on March 15, 2001 at 03:58:34:

Oh, I agree that it's a chronologically important issue, and this is 
the place to discuss the continuity and its implications. I was 
simply suggesting to Jeph that he also post his question (re: exactly 
when did particular events occur to Annihilus and Blastaar) on 
comicboard, because the denizens there could more readily supply 
the answer to his question, which in turn leads to a more intelligent 
discussion here.

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Re: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
Posted by Jeph! on March 15, 2001 at 22:07:01:
In Reply to: Re: Blastaar / Annihilus question (Blink series)
posted by Russ Chappell on March 14, 2001 at 19:27:32:

> since the question is about a plot point, you might have better 
luck getting a response by asking the folks on the Fantastic Four 
Board.

Ohhh, but I'm so lazy.  ;)

Thanks, Russ.  Will do.
	-Jeph!

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Please post power
Posted by The All-Around Good Guy on March 14, 2001 at 20:39:20:

it would be graetly appreciated if you could have a run down of all 
the characters powers abilties and weapons

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Re: Please post power
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 15, 2001 at 18:53:23:
In Reply to: Please post power
posted by The All-Around Good Guy on March 14, 2001 at 20:39:20:

Thanks for the suggestion, Guy, but that's really not what we're 
all about here. We're attempting to place all canon appearances 
by Marvel characters in their proper chronological order, and giving 
the sort of info that you're seeking is just outside our scope. You 
might have some luck looking for hard copies of the Handbook of the 
Marvel Universe for that. (Since Marvel has actually published--and 
presumably made money--off the handbooks, they would probably frown 
on online efforts to provide the info for free.)

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Re: Please post power
Posted by Jhaeman on March 15, 2001 at 21:05:13:
In Reply to: Re: Please post power
posted by Russ Chappell on March 15, 2001 at 18:53:23:

My understanding is that the Marvel.com website has sort of a half-
assed version of the Official Handbook.  You might also try checking 
there.

Jhaeman

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Gap between ASM373 and ASMU6
Posted by Oliver Meidl on March 15, 2001 at 15:16:26:

Looking through this interesting project for the 1st time, I saw 
that there are Spider-Man issues from the years 1993 and 94 missing. 
Some of those missing - maybe not in exact ranking - seem to be:
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN 97-100
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 374-375/1
VENOM: LETHAL PROTECTOR 1-6
SPIDER-MAN 32-34
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 197-200
FANTASTIC FOUR 371-373
ASM 375/2
FANTASTIC FOUR 374-375
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 375/3-377
SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED 1
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN 101
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 378
SPIDER-MAN 35
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 201
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN 102
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 379
SPIDER-MAN 36
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 202
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN 103
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 380
SPIDER-MAN 37
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 203
SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED 2
LETHAL FOES OF SPIDER-MAN 1-4
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN 104-108
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 381-385
SPIDER-MAN 38-40
SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED 3
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Annual 27
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN Annual 13
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN Annual 9
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 204-208
SPIDER-MAN 41-44
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED 6/1
SPIDER-MAN: THE MUTANT AGENDA 1-3
MARVEL COMIC PRESENTS 138
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN 109-111
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN 209-210
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 386-388
SPIDER-MAN 45

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*ahem* I'll handle this...
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 15, 2001 at 19:10:00:
In Reply to: Gap between ASM373 and ASMU6
posted by Oliver Meidl on March 15, 2001 at 15:16:26:

> Looking through this interesting project for the 1st time, I saw 
that there are Spider-Man issues from the years 1993 and 94 missing. 
Some of those missing - maybe not in exact ranking - seem to be:

> WEB OF SPIDER-MAN 97-100
[snip]
> SPIDER-MAN 45

Oh...my...God! I just looked and you're right! It's as if every 
appearance by Spidey in those two years is...well, missing, somehow. 
Fortunately, Spider-Man seems to be the only character affected by 
this. Everything seems fine for Daredevil, Thor, Captain America, 
and all the others. If anyone has any explanations for how this could 
have happened, I'd be eager to hear them.

You're being facetious, right? If so, I tip my hat; not bad. If 
not, *sigh*.

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Not bad
Posted by Oliver Meidl on March 16, 2001 at 17:14:41:
In Reply to: *ahem* I'll handle this...
posted by Russ Chappell on March 15, 2001 at 19:10:00:

Yor reply was kind of fun though. My point is
- Can't you pls. mark gap 1 & 2 somehow?
- Since how many decades are you guys already working on this whole 
bit anyway?
- When do you expect closing the big gaps besides small things always 
coming up?

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Marking the Gap(s), was Re: Not bad
Posted by Sean Curtin on March 17, 2001 at 20:42:46:
In Reply to: Not bad
posted by Oliver Meidl on March 16, 2001 at 17:14:41:

> - Can't you pls. mark gap 1 & 2 somehow?

This would actually be a pretty good idea--obviously, not *every* 
character would get a mention of "this is where Gap #X is", but 
indicators in the major Marvel players' entries would be nice.

-Sean Curtin

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Re: Not bad
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 18, 2001 at 12:42:38:
In Reply to: Not bad
posted by Oliver Meidl on March 16, 2001 at 17:14:41:

> - Can't you pls. mark gap 1 & 2 somehow?

Let me think about it...

> - Since how many decades are you guys already working on this 
whole bit anyway?

Since the late seventies. I originally had an index card for every 
book--sometimes more than one--that listed every character in the 
story, and their before-and-after appearances.

Shortly after the most recent Marvel Indexes for X-Men and Avengers, 
I began compiling them into roughly the form you see now, more 
"character-centric" than "issue-centric". The huge text file was 
posted sometime around 1995 in 26 separate posts plus one epilog to 
the newsgroup rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe (although the group 
may have had a different name at the time). About a year after that, 
I set up a web page at Geocities. Around November of '99, Geocities 
said they were claiming the copyright on my work, so I took it to my 
own domain. And here we are.

> - When do you expect closing the big gaps besides small things 
always coming up?

Well, there are two big gaps. Regarding the 92-94 gap, we are very 
close to filling out 1992. The plan has been--for a long time--to 
finish 92, once we reach the point where we're only one month behind 
on current books. As of right now, all but about 5 books from 
December have been analyzed--although December hasn't found its 
way onto the site yet, except for the Hulk book--and I've started 
reading January books, which places us just over two months behind. 
Just as I start to make headway on the current books, real life 
intervenes, my mom is checked back into the hospital, or nieces 
and nephews are competing for some state championship or the other 
and require an uncle's support, so...

As for the other gap, The Evil Gap (called so because that's when 
Marvel lost faith in their characters), that's up to everyone else, 
since I don't have the books. If you have some, you might contribute.

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Re: Strange Tales
Posted by Oliver Meidl on March 18, 2001 at 16:05:17:
In Reply to: Re: Not bad
posted by Russ Chappell on March 18, 2001 at 12:42:38:

- Thank you for this very personal reply. Still thinking though, 
you're the ghost writer of the '85/'86 ASM/MTU/etc Indexes. Over 
here starting with the 80's there had been a confusing sequence of 
translations, and together with the launch of more and more parallel 
US-series of the same characters you needed your own overview those 
days. 

- Gap 2: There have been already contributions with those regular 
(Scarlet)Spidey-titles. Was just thinking of Spidey's ANTMAN 4 
appearance (probably before ASM107/part2), but saw it is listed 
under Giant Man already.

- PS: More old stuff being the '76-crossover DC Tabloid: Superman 
vs. ASM not included in indexes, though a clear reference on Ned & 
Betty's honeymoon and Ock's appearance would suggest to put it after 
ASM160. To me it is still being some part of their history, even if 
the '96 DC VS.MARVEL give some other complicated explanation of how 
they could ever meet. By the way, was there also an early spidey 
appearance in regular DC series or is this just a rumor I picked up 
somewhere?

- PPS: Somehow this leads me to Strange Tales 97. There are always 
weird explanations in the books, probably now also for this early 
Aunt May & Uncle Ben appearance to justify putting it in (unfortunately 
never had a chance to see it & believe).

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Re: Strange Tales 97
Posted by Johnny PT on March 18, 2001 at 20:20:58:
In Reply to: Re: Strange Tales
posted by Oliver Meidl on March 18, 2001 at 16:05:17:

> - PPS: Somehow this leads me to Strange Tales 97. There are 
always weird explanations in the books, probably now also for this 
early Aunt May & Uncle Ben appearance to justify putting it in 
(unfortunately never had a chance to see it & believe).

It was reprinted in one of the Marvel Select Spider Man issues from 
last year (#4 or #5 I think).  If it is really them, I guess Peter 
was young and away at summer camp.

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Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Randy Tischler on March 18, 2001 at 18:18:05:

I noticed that, with the exception of Death's Head, none of the 
Marvel UK titles appear to be included in the MCP key (and ironically, 
the listing for Death's Head only shows appearances in Nick Fury, 
Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. Volume III).

I picked up a run of Doctor Who because it was there and cheap, and 
I believe he's had interactions with AT LEAST Death's Head (or DH II?), 
but none of these comics (I've got 4 more to read in the series), 
which reprint the UK Doctor Who mags, have any characters from the 
MU anywhere.

So, that said, I guess I have 3 questions:

1)  Is Marvel UK considered continuity?  I've asked before, but this 
would seem the appropriate forum ;-)

2)  Does The Doctor intersect with the MU (UK or otherwise)?

3)  Is Marvel UK ultimately going to be a part of the MCP (or if it's 
not canon, the alterniverse MCP that keeps being discussed)?

Thanks.

Randy

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 18, 2001 at 22:45:03:
In Reply to: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Randy Tischler on March 18, 2001 at 18:18:05:

> 1)  Is Marvel UK considered continuity?  I've asked before, but 
this would seem the appropriate forum ;-)

> 2)  Does The Doctor intersect with the MU (UK or otherwise)?

I have very few of the UK books, so it's probably best if I step 
aside and allow others more qualified to answer. I suspect that the 
conclusion will be: some of them are canon, and others are not. At 
this point the only one that I feel particularly comfortable about 
declaring canon would be Knights of Pendragon, but even that may 
change.

> 3)  Is Marvel UK ultimately going to be a part of the MCP (or if 
it's not canon, the alterniverse MCP that keeps being discussed)?

Yes. I'm very interested in housing a separate page for a Marvel UK 
chronology, but it would have to be maintained by someone else. And 
we're not just discussing it anymore. The chronology for the 
Killraven mythos is already up, although it's not complete yet.

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Paul O'Brien on March 19, 2001 at 07:20:01:
In Reply to: Re: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Russ Chappell on March 18, 2001 at 22:45:03:

<<< 1)  Is Marvel UK considered continuity?  I've asked before, 
but this would seem the appropriate forum ;-)>>>

<< I have very few of the UK books, so it's probably best if I 
step aside and allow others more qualified to answer. I suspect that 
the conclusion will be: some of them are canon, and others are not. 
At this point the only one that I feel particularly comfortable about 
declaring canon would be Knights of Pendragon, but even that may 
change.>>

As far as the 1990s Marvel UK line is concerned, those were intended 
to be canon.  They were produced in the American format, they were 
distributed in America through the normal channels, they were promoted 
in Marvel's publicity, and Marvel UK went so far as to try and ban 
British comic shops from getting hold of them (since they were going 
to do an edited reprint anthology for the British market).  They're 
British-originated products intended primarily for the US market.  
They're canon.  They're also supremely inconsequential, so these 
days I doubt Marvel could be bothered to take a view on them.

If you want some in-story evidence for this... many of the Marvel UK 
characters are referenced in a future UK seen in one of Alan Davis' 
Excalibur storylines.  Motormouth and Killpower both turn up, albeit 
briefly, in the Hulk during the David/Frank run.  I believe Death's 
Head also got an issue of What If? around this time.

As for the other Marvel UK output... much of their original superhero 
material is canon (Captain Britain and related stuff), although I 
would draw the line at including the handful of original strips 
commissioned for titles like Spider-Man & Zoids.  Obviously, most 
of their licensed properties aren't canon, although there's a 
confusion with Transformers, which contains the origin of Death's 
Head.  It's best viewed as an alternate reality.  The sister title 
of the original Death's Head series, Dragon's Claws, is also out 
there somewhere as an alternate future, since those two books had 
plot crossovers.  

Marvel UK's short-lived arthouse anthology title, Strip, is not 
canon.

<<<2)  Does The Doctor intersect with the MU (UK or otherwise)?>>>

He turns up in Death's Head's first UK series, dumping DH on Four 
Freedoms Plaza, which was the FF's headquarters at that time.  He's 
also been referenced in Excalibur, although that was fairly obviously 
a joke.

My view would be that Marvel UK's Dr Who stories take place in an 
alternate reality (it's certainly not the TV show's continuity, 
though) and that their version is able to get into the Marvel 
Universe if he really wants.  There are multiple contradictory 
Dr Who continuities out there already, and one more will do no 
harm.

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Yellow Claw on March 19, 2001 at 12:43:53:
In Reply to: Re: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Paul O'Brien on March 19, 2001 at 07:20:01:

> <<< 1)  Is Marvel UK considered continuity?  I've asked before, 
but this would seem the appropriate forum ;-)>>>

> <br>> << I have very few of the UK books, so it's probably best 
if I step aside and allow others more qualified to answer. I suspect 
that the conclusion will be: some of them are canon, and others are 
not. At this point the only one that I feel particularly comfortable 
about declaring canon would be Knights of Pendragon, but even that 
may change.>>

> As far as the 1990s Marvel UK line is concerned, those were intended 
to be canon.  They were produced in the American format, they were 
distributed in America through the normal channels, they were promoted 
in Marvel's publicity, and Marvel UK went so far as to try and ban 
British comic shops from getting hold of them (since they were going 
to do an edited reprint anthology for the British market).  They're 
British-originated products intended primarily for the US market.  
They're canon.  They're also supremely inconsequential, so these days 
I doubt Marvel could be bothered to take a view on them.

> If you want some in-story evidence for this... many of the Marvel 
UK characters are referenced in a future UK seen in one of Alan Davis' 
Excalibur storylines.  Motormouth and Killpower both turn up, albeit 
briefly, in the Hulk during the David/Frank run.  I believe Death's 
Head also got an issue of What If? around this time.

He also had a story in Marvel Comics Presents and he appeared in 
Simonson's FF didn't he?

> As for the other Marvel UK output... much of their original 
superhero material is canon (Captain Britain and related stuff), 
although I would draw the line at including the handful of original 
strips commissioned for titles like Spider-Man & Zoids.  Obviously, 
most of their licensed properties aren't canon, although there's a 
confusion with Transformers, which contains the origin of Death's 
Head.  It's best viewed as an alternate reality.  The sister title 
of the original Death's Head series, Dragon's Claws, is also out 
there somewhere as an alternate future, since those two books had 
plot crossovers.  

> Marvel UK's short-lived arthouse anthology title, Strip, is not 
canon.

> <<<2)  Does The Doctor intersect with the MU (UK or otherwise)?>>>

> He turns up in Death's Head's first UK series, dumping DH on Four 
Freedoms Plaza, which was the FF's headquarters at that time.  He's 
also been referenced in Excalibur, although that was fairly obviously 
a joke.

> My view would be that Marvel UK's Dr Who stories take place in an 
alternate reality (it's certainly not the TV show's continuity, 
though) and that their version is able to get into the Marvel Universe 
if he really wants.  There are multiple contradictory Dr Who 
continuities out there already, and one more will do no harm.

I've always assumed that Death's Head often dimension-hops when he 
time travels and I take the view that, as you suggest, his comic 
book appearances take place in some variation of the MU. Additionally, 
I like to think that Transformers is therefore another alternate 
timeline. I heard someone suggest a while back that the Secret Wars II 
crossover is canonical because the Beyonder could merge realities and 
crossed over into the Transformers reality with Spider-Man in tow. 

Hope this helps.

Yellow Claw.

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on March 24, 2001 at 17:32:11:
In Reply to: Re: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Paul O'Brien on March 19, 2001 at 07:20:01:

Paul O'Brien spake:

> As far as the 1990s Marvel UK line is concerned, those were 
intended to be canon.

I agree.  FWIW, here is a list I compiled a while ago of Marvel 
UK titles.  I don't know whether or not it is complete, but it's 
a start.

Battletide
Battletide II
Codename: Genetix
Cyberspace 3000  (An exception to the canon trend, as it is set 
in a derivative of the Guardians of the Galaxy's time period.)
Dark Angel
Death Metal
Death Metal Vs. Genetix
Death's Head II
Death's Head II vol. 2
Death's Head II & The Origin of Die Cut
Death 3
Death Wreck
Die-Cut
Die-Cut Vs. G-Force
Digitek
Dragon's Claws
>Gene Dogs
Genetix
Gun Runner
Hell's Angel
Incomplete Death's Head
Killpower: The Early Years
Knights of Pendragon, The
Motormouth
Mys-Tech Wars
Nightraven: The Collected Stories
Pendragon
Warheads
WildThing

- StAkAr Karnak
Isn't winter supposed to be over by now?!

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Sean Curtin on March 29, 2001 at 02:45:08:
In Reply to: Re: Marvel UK titles?
posted by StAkAr Karnak on March 24, 2001 at 17:32:11:

> WildThing

IIRC this one was some near-future low-grade cyberpunk ripoff book.  
It referenced MU characters and groups--I believe the villain was a 
descendant of Tony Stark or someone--but never crossed over with the 
real MU.

> Isn't winter supposed to be over by now?!

If only...

-Sean

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Nathanael Nerode on June 20, 2002 at 21:06:22:
In Reply to: Re: Marvel UK titles?
posted by StAkAr Karnak on March 24, 2001 at 17:32:11:

> Paul O'Brien spake:

> > As far as the 1990s Marvel UK line is concerned, those were 
intended to be canon.

> I agree.  FWIW, here is a list I compiled a while ago of Marvel UK 
titles.  I don't know whether or not it is complete, but it's a 
start.

These are relatively easy to make a list of, since there are hundreds 
in every junk bin in every comic store in the US.

What I'd really like to see is a list of the Marvel UK output for 
*British* audiences (starting in the 70s when they simply branded 
them 'Marvel' and running up through the 80s original material until 
the office was folded down to just Doctor Who).  That information is 
a lot harder to find; although specific lists have been made for 
Transformers, Doctor Who, & Captain Britain, I haven't seen any list 
which really thought it was complete for everything else.  

(For Death's Head in particular, every 'complete appearance list' 
I've ever seen has had a followup saying 'Sorry, it's not complete.'  
He appeared in all *kinds* of weird places.  Even the writers of 
"Death's Head" and "Incomplete Death's Head" couldn't seem to come up 
with complete appearance lists.  Although the union of the three 
largest appearance lists I have would be a good start. :-P )

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Nathanael Nerode on June 20, 2002 at 20:57:02:
In Reply to: Re: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Russ Chappell on March 18, 2001 at 22:45:03:

> > 1)  Is Marvel UK considered continuity?  I've asked before, but 
this would seem the appropriate forum ;-)

> > 2)  Does The Doctor intersect with the MU (UK or otherwise)?

*cough*  As a Doctor Who fan...

The Doctor meets a number of 'high evolutionaries' including Merlin 
during the eighties.  There are some similarities with the appearance 
of Merlin in other Marvel UK books, but it's also perfectly reasonable 
to conclude that the universe is entirely separate.

The Doctor meets the "Sleeze Brothers" in the early 90s.  This wasn't 
originally a Marvel comic, but some sort of independent, and I've 
never been able to work out its history or continuity.

Where we get into trouble is Death's Head.  The Doctor meets Death's 
Head in DWM, and then meets him again in the Death's Head comic, 
during which they arrive at Four Freedoms Plaza, if I remember 
correctly.  This is the only genuine verified continuity crossover 
between the Marvel Universe and the Doctor Who universe.

Of course, as I've mentioned elsewhere, Death's Head started out in 
the (UK) Transformers comic, which is *also* in question as to what 
parts of it are in the MU and what parts are in the Transformers 
Universe.

Death's Head subsequently appears in books everyone considers canon, 
so he causes the most continuity problems.

I'd love to see someone come up with a reasonable way to explain away 
all of this. :-)  The best I can do is that Death's Head actually 
moved between universes a couple of times, and that the Doctor 
'visited' the Marvel Universe but then went back to his own.

From what I can tell, Captain Britain & Excalibur present few 
continuity problems if put in the Marvel Universe, both British 
and US publications, but I'm no expert.

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Captain Britain / Wardog / Doctor Who
Posted by Jeph! on June 23, 2002 at 13:16:53:
In Reply to: Re: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Nathanael Nerode on June 20, 2002 at 20:57:02:

I too have a morbid fascination with Marvel UK.  Surely there's some 
sort of support group for folks like us...

> From what I can tell, Captain Britain & Excalibur present few 
continuity problems if put in the Marvel Universe, both British 
and US publications, but I'm no expert.

The "Captain Britain" series from 1978-1985 doesn't present any 
problems whatsoever sliding into mainstream Marvel continuity ... with 
the exception of Wardog, the head of the Special Executive and a 
minor supporting character of CB's.  HIS first appearance is in an 
issue of "Doctor Who!"

Of course, he's a dimension/time-traveller as well, so that's not a 
big deal.

Actually, I THINK I have a reprint of his first appearance ... it 
appears in the back of "The Daredevils" #6 (Marvel UK, June 1982), 
written by Alan Moore and entitled "The 4-D War".  Wardog is hired 
by a society fighting a war against the Gallifreyans and the Time 
Lords ... they're Doctor Who villains, aren't they?

Nathanael, do you know if this story is a reprint from a Doctor Who 
comic, or if it's an all-new Wardog adventure?  (If it is a reprint, 
which issue?  I'm getting around to writing up the Alan Moore CB 
issues and this would be helpful...)

	-Jeph!

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Re: Captain Britain / Wardog / Doctor Who
Posted by Nathanael Nerode on June 23, 2002 at 15:13:40:
In Reply to: Captain Britain / Wardog / Doctor Who
posted by Jeph! on June 23, 2002 at 13:16:53:

> Actually, I THINK I have a reprint of his first appearance ... it 
appears in the back of "The Daredevils" #6 (Marvel UK, June 1982), 
written by Alan Moore and entitled "The 4-D War".  Wardog is hired 
by a society fighting a war against the Gallifreyans and the Time 
Lords ... they're Doctor Who villains, aren't they?

> Nathanael, do you know if this story is a reprint from a Doctor 
Who comic, or if it's an all-new Wardog adventure?  (If it is a 
reprint, which issue?  I'm getting around to writing up the Alan 
Moore CB issues and this would be helpful...)

This is a reprint from a Doctor Who comic.  (I have all Doctor Who 
comics ever published by Marvel, with the exception of a couple from 
The Incredible Hulk Presents, a 12-issue magazine-sized British 
anthology.)  It's also part of a complex series of Time Lord 
adventures from early DWM issues.  (The Time Lords of Gallifrey 
are not precisely villains, but they're definitely Doctor Who 
characters.  In this case they're actually the good guys, and I 
believe Wardog is being hired by the Time Lords... it's a complicated 
plot.)

Just a second, while I get the issue reference...

"The 4-D War" is the backup strip in Doctor Who Monthly #50 (April 
1981).  It's also a sequel to "Star Death", from DWM #47, which 
doesn't feature Wardog.  It also has a sequel "Black Sun Rising" 
in #57, which does feature Wardog and the Special Executive.  Hope 
this helps. :-)

Alan Moore wrote a lot of Doctor Who comic strips during this period.

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Re: Captain Britain / Wardog / Doctor Who
Posted by Jeph! on June 23, 2002 at 23:15:01:
In Reply to: Re: Captain Britain / Wardog / Doctor Who
posted by Nathanael Nerode on June 23, 2002 at 15:13:40:

> "The 4-D War" is the backup strip in Doctor Who Monthly #50 (April 
1981).  It's also a sequel to "Star Death", from DWM #47, which 
doesn't feature Wardog.  It also has a sequel "Black Sun Rising" 
in #57, which does feature Wardog and the Special Executive.  Hope 
this helps. :-)

This helps immensely.  I just went back to my local comic store 
(which, for Boston MA, contains an awful lot of early 80s Marvel 
UK magazines) and discovered that "Black Sun Rising" is reprinted 
in "Daredevils" #7!

Can you confirm for me that no other members of the Special Executive 
have appeared in any other Dr. Who comic?  That "Star Death" contains 
no SpEx characters or references?

I bought "Daredevils" #6 merely for the single page that was left out 
of the recent "Captain Britain" TPB, but it's wonderful to have 
discovered this new chapter in one of my favorite obscure teams ... 
thanks for the assistance, Nathanael.
    -Jeph!

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Re: Captain Britain / Wardog / Doctor Who
Posted by Nathanael Nerode on June 24, 2002 at 08:06:46:
In Reply to: Re: Captain Britain / Wardog / Doctor Who
posted by Jeph! on June 23, 2002 at 23:15:01:

> Can you confirm for me that no other members of the Special 
Executive have appeared in any other Dr. Who comic?  That "Star 
Death" contains no SpEx characters or references?

I don't know much about the Special Executive...  "Star Death" 
contains only one character who isn't straight out of Doctor Who: 
"Fenris, the Hell-Bringer".  I believe the Special Executive is 
not referred to in any other Doctor Who comic, but I'm not 110% 
certain; I'd have to reread a couple of the series I remember least 
well to make sure.

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Tom Lynch on April 14, 2001 at 08:11:32:
In Reply to: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Randy Tischler on March 18, 2001 at 18:18:05:

> I picked up a run of Doctor Who because it was there and cheap, and 
I believe he's had interactions with AT LEAST Death's Head (or DH II?), 
but none of these comics (I've got 4 more to read in the series), which 
reprint the UK Doctor Who mags, have any characters from the MU 
anywhere.

The Doctor has almost certainly appeared in mainline MU. Somewhere 
about the place I have a Claremont FF (volume 3, the one where Manoli 
and Neal are filming a day in the life, also featuring Kay Cera but I 
can't remember the number or currently lay my hands on the book) where 
we find a phone-box shaped time travel machine, bigger inside, that 
Reed got from "that Doctor friend of his."

If that ain't The Doctor, then who is it?

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Re: Marvel UK titles?
Posted by Nathanael Nerode on June 23, 2002 at 15:26:56:
In Reply to: Marvel UK titles?
posted by Randy Tischler on March 18, 2001 at 18:18:05:

> I picked up a run of Doctor Who because it was there and cheap, 
and I believe he's had interactions with AT LEAST Death's Head (or 
DH II?), but none of these comics (I've got 4 more to read in the 
series), which reprint the UK Doctor Who mags, have any characters 
from the MU anywhere.

The Doctor Who comic was... selective... about what it reprinted 
from DWM.  There was a tendency to avoid stories which had not been 
popular in Britain, and MU crossovers were never popular among DW 
fans.  Also, it only runs up through the 5th Doctor stories.  The 
interaction with Death's Head occurs in a 7th Doctor story; it's 
also linked in with the plot of some 6th Doctor stories (via a 
character called Dogbolter).

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Classic X-Men 39/2
Posted by Ottens on March 20, 2001 at 00:12:50:

I've recently been trying to place the 2nd stories of the Classic 
X-Men series into their proper continuity with the other X-Books, 
and your site has been an excellent reference, but I believe an error 
has been made regarding the placement of CX39/2 in between UX@3 and 
UX125.  In CX39/2 a mutant attacks Storm, Colossus, and Wolverine, 
and after they subdue him, Storm suggests they take him back to the 
mansion so Jean could possibly help him.  At that point in the X-Men 
(X@3 & X125) Storm, Wolverine, and Colossus believe Jean is dead so 
there is no way Storm would make that suggestion at that point in 
the series.  I think it works better somewhere between UX108 & UX109.  
I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this.

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Where is Madeyline Pryor???
Posted by S3AN on March 22, 2001 at 15:46:19:

I can't find her, what am I doing wrong? :(

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Re: Where is Madeyline Pryor???
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 22, 2001 at 21:48:03:
In Reply to: Where is Madeyline Pryor???
posted by S3AN  on March 22, 2001 at 15:46:19:


She's on the S page, under SUMMERS, MADELYNE "MADDIE" JENNIFER PRYOR

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Re: Where is Madeyline Pryor???
Posted by SKleefeld on March 23, 2001 at 15:27:33:
In Reply to: Re: Where is Madeyline Pryor???
posted by Russ Chappell on March 22, 2001 at 21:48:03:

You know, Russ, if you had a search engine, you wouldn't have to 
field these questions. Hint hint nudge nudge.  :)

Sean

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Re: Where is Madeyline Pryor???
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 23, 2001 at 21:37:17:
In Reply to: Re: Where is Madeyline Pryor???
posted by SKleefeld on March 23, 2001 at 15:27:33:

You know, when I saw you had chipped in on this thread, I kind of 
had a feeling that's what you were gonna say.

For everyone else's benefit, Sean has been suggesting this one 
privately for a couple of months, now.

I'm hieing to Atmoz...

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Sean: Got Me!
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 23, 2001 at 22:00:04:
In Reply to: Re: Where is Madeyline Pryor???
posted by Russ Chappell on March 23, 2001 at 21:37:17:

Okay, this has been interesting.

I tried atmoz.com at first, of course, and got nowhere. So then I 
says to myself, I'll go to ffplaza and follow Sean's links. I try 
out the search engine on your site, and, well, maybe it's something 
funky in my browser, but I can no sooner type just one character in 
the search text box, and I'm automatically taken to what appears to 
be a random page on the site. So I click on the Search button without 
entering anything in the text box, and I get a "Search Failed" 
message (just as I should), and from the address can glean that I 
should have been aiming for search.atmoz.com.

So I've tracked down the service, but now I'm a little anxious. Is 
everything working okay with your search engine, or was my browser 
just having indigestion?

Russ

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Re: Sean: Got Me!
Posted by SKleefeld on March 26, 2001 at 11:24:39:
In Reply to: Sean: Got Me!
posted by Russ Chappell on March 23, 2001 at 22:00:04:

> Okay, this has been interesting.

> So I click on the Search button without entering anything in the 
text box, and I get a "Search Failed" message (just as I should), 
and from the address can glean that I should have been aiming for 
search.atmoz.com.

That would help. :) Sorry if that was a typo in my original email 
or something. 

> So I've tracked down the service, but now I'm a little anxious. 
Is everything working okay with your search engine, or was my browser 
just having indigestion?

I just went through and ran a few test searches as well as updating 
some of my account information through their site. No problems. 

So I'm guessing it was a browser hiccup or something.

I don't think it's a major issue; I just tossed it out as an idea 
that might save you a little time in the long run.

Sean

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Captain America 421
Posted by Angelo Mammone on March 24, 2001 at 18:18:08:

Hi, I'm a real "marvel zombie" from Roma, Italy.

I like very very much the Marvel Chronology Project.

It's fantastic!

I've a question: in Captain America 358, page 2 and 7, there are 
some subterreans corpses, a dead dolphin and other dead men, do you 
know from which stories they came from?

Please help me.

Thank you

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Re: Captain America #358 not #421!
Posted by Angelo Mammone on March 27, 2001 at 13:44:24:
In Reply to: Captain America 421
posted by Angelo Mammone on March 24, 2001 at 18:18:08:

Sorry,

It was Captain America #358

Thank you

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Re: Captain America 421
Posted by Michel Racaud on March 31, 2001 at 10:15:34:
In Reply to: Captain America 421
posted by Angelo Mammone on March 24, 2001 at 18:18:08:

I think it comes from the Bloodstone's stories in Rampaging Hulk. 
I don't have #8 where the final battle seems to happen but I have #6 
where we can see Kaballa, the dead man with the horns on Cap #358 
page 7

Michel

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Corrections to Scorpion and Mister Hyde
Posted by Jeanne Burch on March 26, 2001 at 00:08:53:

The Scorpion and the Mister Hyde who appear in DD 82 and DD 83 
respectively are NOT the originals, but androids created by Mr. 
Kline, an old Daredevil/Iron Man foe.

This can be checked out in Captain America 151, where the Scorpion 
and Mister Hyde wake up together in Kline's  abandoned lab (and 
probably wonder if they were really *that* drunk the night before ;) ). 

Jeanne

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Nebula and Kang
Posted by Dr Bruce Banner on March 27, 2001 at 17:04:31:

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone can explain why the appearances by Nebula 
around Avengers 291 through 297 aren't listed in chronology and why 
Kang only has 2 appearances from this grouping?

Thanks in advance,
Jake

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Re: Nebula and Kang
Posted by comico on March 27, 2001 at 23:16:18:
In Reply to: Nebula and Kang
posted by Dr Bruce Banner on March 27, 2001 at 17:04:31:

the "nebula" who appears in those issues is not the one who is thanos' 
grand daughter.this nebula is also known as ravonna,and was last 
called terminatrix

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Message Board Loading Slowly
Posted by Sean Curtin on March 29, 2001 at 02:40:20:

...but that's probably because I'm using a modem. :)  Even so, is 
there a chence that the older posts (say, August-October) could be 
archived elsewhere instead of being kept on the message board page?

-Sean

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Re: Message Board Loading Slowly
Posted by Russ Chappell on April 01, 2001 at 12:11:13:
In Reply to: Message Board Loading Slowly
posted by Sean Curtin on March 29, 2001 at 02:40:20:

There is a chance.

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Kingpin
Posted by Zef Wagner on March 30, 2001 at 10:41:55:

I might be wrong, but I doubt the Kingpin was blind in those PP:SM 
issues and the Iron Fist/Wolverine issue that are at the end of his 
chronology and are listed after DD/SM in which he was blind. 
--Zef Wagner

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Death's Head
Posted by Andy Holcombe on March 30, 2001 at 12:06:39:

Does anyone know which issues of Strip contain the Body in Question 
story?

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Re: Death's Head
Posted by Randy Tischler on April 10, 2001 at 15:34:58:
In Reply to: Death's Head
posted by Andy Holcombe on March 30, 2001 at 12:06:39:


Actually, wasn't Body In Question the Death's Head Graphic Novel?  I 
don't have it and haven't read it, but that sounds right to me...

Ah, I'm right.  A web search just yielded "Strip #13-20 (Later 
reprinted as 'The body in question Graphic novel')" from 
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/primus/deathshead.htm

Randy

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Re: Death's Head
Posted by Andy Holcombe on April 12, 2001 at 14:19:50:
In Reply to: Re: Death's Head
posted by Randy Tischler on April 10, 2001 at 15:34:58:

I was looking for the Strip issues because I haven't been able to 
get a lead on the graphic novel.
