The Ultimates; BIG question (?)
Posted by Jim G on March 01, 2002 at 00:07:21:

Hi all.

I'm just starting to read comics again after a long hiatus, and 
I've got a question aabout this new Marvel title, The Ultimates. 
Does it take place in the same "universe" as the Ultimte X-Men 
and Ultimate Spider-Man titles? I ask because, in ish #2 of 
Ultimates, Bruce Banner discusses his having been the Hulk 
previously, and in a flashback shot, they show the Hulk with 
Spider-Man. If so, what ish did this match-up take place in?

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Re: The Ultimates; BIG question (?)
Posted by David Smith on March 01, 2002 at 07:56:44:
In Reply to: The Ultimates; BIG question (?)
posted by Jim G on March 01, 2002 at 00:07:21:

It was in an early issue of Ultimate Marvel Team-up (sorry, I don't 
remember the issue number and don't have the books handy to lok it up).

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Re: The Ultimates; BIG question (?)
Posted by Paulo C. on March 01, 2002 at 18:24:32:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimates; BIG question (?)
posted by David Smith on March 01, 2002 at 07:56:44:

> It was in an early issue of Ultimate Marvel Team-up (sorry, I don't 
remember the issue number and don't have the books handy to lok it up).

Issues 2 and 3.

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Out of continuity comics
Posted by TeaBee on March 02, 2002 at 07:09:24:

Here's from a message down below:

"That kind of sucks: I already bought the whole mini-series and I 
rarely buy stuff that's out of continuity. I've always thought there 
should be a tiny symbol on the cover or splash page of each comic to 
distinguish continuity and non-continuity comics..."

I agree so much! I'd love to know exactly what comics aren't part of 
the normal Marvel chronology. Any chance for a page like that here?

Until I find a page...

Are any of the "Icons" books continuity? What about the MAX line? 
What about FF 1-2-3-4. What about... every darn limited series? Heh.

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Re: Out of continuity comics
Posted by Paul O'Brien on March 02, 2002 at 15:55:48:
In Reply to: Out of continuity comics
posted by TeaBee on March 02, 2002 at 07:09:24:

> Are any of the "Icons" books continuity? 

All of them aside from Rogue are in continuity.

> What about the MAX line? 

Alias is in continuity.  Howard the Duck appears to be.  Fury 
certainly isn't, and Cage appears not to be.

> What about FF 1-2-3-4. 

That's meant to be in continuity, but set at a point in the past.

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Wow
Posted by Morgan  on March 03, 2002 at 15:25:56:

I just want to briefly say, before I saw this site I thought I was a 
hardcore Marvel maniac. You guys have put me in my place. For what 
it's worth, this site completely awes me. I remain your humble 
servant.

Morgan

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Headlok chronology addition
Posted by Zvi Ron on March 03, 2002 at 17:50:36:

Headlok appeared in West Coast Avengers #4 (teamed up with the 
Griffin) before all the recent Thunderbolts appearances.

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Spidey in Graphic Novels
Posted by Brian C on March 04, 2002 at 11:32:09:

OK, Marvel Graphic Novel 1 is The Death of Captain Marvel.  MGN 17 
is Revenge of the Living Monolith.  Is MGN 22 Hookey? The next 
graphic novel is Parallel Lives, which is not numbered, so is this 
assumption true?  Thanks.

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Re: Spidey in Graphic Novels
Posted by DCW3 on March 04, 2002 at 14:10:42:
In Reply to: Spidey in Graphic Novels
posted by Brian C on March 04, 2002 at 11:32:09:

Yup.

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Set or Seth appearances in Moon Knight mini-series from 1997
Posted by John Mc Donagh on March 05, 2002 at 12:46:07:

   Yes, Set or Seth played a part in the 1997 Moon Knight mini-series. 
Having done some searching, I suppose one can conclude that this was 
Seth (from Thor#240) as oppossed to Set (from, among other places, 
Thor Annual#10 and Atlantis Attacks!).

  This is because Seth has been shown as an enemy of Knonshu from 
WEST COAST AVENGERS#41.

   Doug Moench probably did not have this in mind (in fact, probably 
was not concerned with previous references), but  exegetically this 
seems to work best.

Any comments?

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Relevant link
Posted by John Mc Donagh on March 05, 2002 at 12:47:39:
In Reply to: Set or Seth appearances in Moon Knight mini-series from 
1997
posted by John Mc Donagh on March 05, 2002 at 12:46:07:

 This link covers WEST COAST AVENGERS#41, when Knonhsu went up 
against Seth.

http://www.avengersassemble.org/wca41.htm

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Wendigo in BLAZE 4, 5, 6
Posted by Brian Cook on March 08, 2002 at 09:06:15:

I was reviewing the appearances by the characters that have held the 
curse of the Wendigo, and I was trying to determine which one appears 
in BLAZE 4, 5 and 6.
Any ideas?

Thanks!

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Re: Wendigo in BLAZE 4, 5, 6
Posted by Andy Holcombe on March 09, 2002 at 13:30:23:
In Reply to: Wendigo in BLAZE 4, 5, 6
posted by Brian Cook on March 08, 2002 at 09:06:15:

Is anyone actually possessed by the Wendigo or is it merely his 
spirit running around.

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Re: Wendigo in BLAZE 4, 5, 6
Posted by Brian Cook on March 10, 2002 at 17:08:31:
In Reply to: Re: Wendigo in BLAZE 4, 5, 6
posted by Andy Holcombe on March 09, 2002 at 13:30:23:

When a person eats human flesh, the Elder Gods place a curse upon 
him that transforms him into the Wendigo.  Paul Cartier's curse was 
transferred to Georges Baptiste through a mystic ritual.  There was 
also evidence of the curse moving from person-to-person in the 
Captain Marvel 1-3 appearances.

On numerous occasions, we have seen the actually transformation of 
the person into the Wendigo. The Wendigo that eventually takes the 
name Yeti and joins Weapon P.R.I.M.E. (seen in X-Force and Northstar) 
was Francoise Lartigue.  The Wendigo that we see in Spider-Man 8-12 
and Blaze 4-6 is not very aggressive, much like the Michael Fleet 
Wendigo seen in Marvel Fanfare v2 2 & 3. This "mild" behavior seem 
out of character for Francois Lartigue, who is deemed deserving of 
the curse by the Werewolf By Night in the Marvel Comics Presents 
story.  This brings up the question whether it is Lartigue or 
another werewolf in the Spider-Man stories.

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NThrasher
Posted by m on March 10, 2002 at 09:02:44:

Night Thrasher's name is Dwayne Taylor, not Duane Taylor. 

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Nova
Posted by mikeo' on March 10, 2002 at 09:26:11:

What If (vol I) #36 needs to be added to Nova's chronology between 
Rom #24 and New Warriors Annual #1/7 flashback.  

In a special announcement section at the back of the issue, Mark 
Gruenwald writes:

 "...And how about that second fabulous feature this issue? You 
NOVA fands acutally got to see three and a quarter pages of our 
reality's ex-Nova before we took an alternate path. We just knew 
you were all wondering how he'd explain to his parents what 
happened to him. You were, weren't you?" 

These three pages are established chronology, with the rest of the 
story being an imaginary wondering of Richard Rider as told by the 
watcher. 

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Namorita
Posted by mikeo' on March 10, 2002 at 09:57:12:

The following corrections should be made to Namorita:

She appears in the last page of Sub-Mariner #69.

She appears in a panel on page 11 of Code of Honor #1. The scene 
depicts she and Namor leaving the battle in Marvel Two-in-One #2. 

Her chronology from that area should then read:
SUB-M 68
SUB-M 69
M/TIO 2
COH 1
SUB-M 70

It also appears to be a small, if not insignificant, appearance 
of Namorita on page 18 of the first Contest of Champions. A light 
haired woman with a circular bikini top and fish-like scale bikini 
bottom stands behind Union Jack and Quasar. Not even sure if this 
was worth mentioning, but there it is... Appearance or no? If so, 
I'm not entirely sure where to put it.

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addendum
Posted by mikeo' on March 10, 2002 at 09:58:45:
In Reply to: Namorita
posted by mikeo' on March 10, 2002 at 09:57:12:

> It also appears to be a small, if not insignificant, appearance 
of Namorita on page 18 of the first Contest of Champions. 

That should read "the first Contest of Champions #3". 

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Dark Beast
Posted by garbonzo on March 10, 2002 at 16:16:31:

An addition to the Chronology of Dark Beat/Henry McCoy AoA.

This Character also appeared in XF 118, immediately following his 
appearance in XF 117.

Not that much of that continuity is important any longer, but since 
we are being complete here...

garbonzo

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Age of Apocalypse?
Posted by Sean Curtin on March 13, 2002 at 12:41:30:

Do the Age of Apocalypse titles fall under the Gap?  I notice that 
some of the relevant characters have their AoA appearances listed, 
but not others, and the AoA characters who haven't crossed over into 
the "real" MU aren't listed at all.  Are there any plans to create an 
AoA chronology page (a la the Killraven/GotG one), or to add the 
characters into the main pages (a la Mutant X), or will they remain 
neglected?

-Sean

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Re: Age of Apocalypse?
Posted by Russ Chappell on March 13, 2002 at 18:31:00:
In Reply to: Age of Apocalypse?
posted by Sean Curtin on March 13, 2002 at 12:41:30:

It was originally my intention to list only those characters that 
crossed over into the Marvel Universe, but as time goes on, I've 
softened a little, and we'll probably go back and pick them up.

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goofy spidey appearances
Posted by Irragation Ditch on March 13, 2002 at 21:36:12:

haha, i havent been here in a while--and i noticed in the Spider-man 
list, you removed Transformers #5, but left in Godzilla #24. 

lol, i just wanna know the logic behind it? 

and what are some other 'goofy' spider-man appearances; that only 
crazed fans would include into chronology?

i have a few: 

Top Dog (star comics) #10

Superpro #1

Slapstick #2 

Beavis and Butthead #3

Ren and Stimpy #6 (i think)

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Re: goofy spidey appearances
Posted by ShadZ on March 14, 2002 at 11:44:25:
In Reply to: goofy spidey appearances
posted by Irragation Ditch on March 13, 2002 at 21:36:12:

I'm not speaking for Russ, but I think the concensus (sp) is that 
the Transformers series did not happen in the Marvel Universe.  Early 
episodes of Transformers series do SEEM to take place in the MU, but 
as the series went on and more and more Transformers joined the cast 
(leaving no room for guest-stars or crossovers), the decision was 
made that the Transformers are not in the MU.  Finally, the 
Transformers/G.I. Joe miniseries made it clear that the Transformers 
are not in the MU (as the Joes were never in the MU), but instead in 
someting I call the Hasbro Universe.

So if Transformers #5 is not in the MU, why is Spider-Man in it?  
That must be the first and only appearence of the Hasbro Universe 
Spider-Man.

So if the Transformers are not in the MU, why did Transformers 
character Circut Breaker appear in Secret Wars II?  I don't have a 
good explanation for that one.

As for Godzilla, there can be no doubt that that series did happen 
in the Marvel Universe.  Have you ever read it?  It had an 
established MU guest-star in almost every issue!

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TF/Joe and theories on the universe(s)
Posted by Bounty Hunter X on March 14, 2002 at 16:28:08:
In Reply to: Re: goofy spidey appearances
posted by ShadZ on March 14, 2002 at 11:44:25:

I think that the agreed upon explaination for Circuit Breaker's 
SWII appearance is that the Beyonder allowed the "Marvel Universe" 
and the "Transformer" universe to briefly merge certain individuals 
for a short period of time.

As for the Transformer universe and the G.I.Joe Universe being the 
same, I've never believed that the were.  The Joes and Cobras seen 
in the TF/Joe miniseries are not developed and do not act like the 
Joes in the normal G.I.Joe series.  While the miniseries had lasting 
reprocusions for the Transformers (notable Bumblebee/Goldbug), there 
are no affects on the normal G.I.Joe series.  More than lifely, these 
were the Transformer Universe's Joes.

The other was in G.I.Joe #138-142.  Personally I don't acknowledge 
these as being in the G.I.Joe universe.  The only problem is that 
this run caused the return of Dr Mindbender to the G.I.Joe series.  
It has to take place at least in the Transformer's universe, because 
it carried over from TF #80 and leads into Generation 2 #1.  Another 
pointer that the two universe are seperate is the arrival of the 
Swarm to Earth in the Generation 2 comic series, which is never 
mentioned in the Joe series.  I tend to believe that Mindbinder was 
revived some other way and that the Transformers never appeared in 
the Joe universe.

If there was one big Hasbro Universe, that means that the Air Raiders 
and Visionaries are running amok somewhere near the Joe's Earth and 
the TF's Cybertron.

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Re: goofy spidey appearances
Posted by Paul O'Brien on March 15, 2002 at 05:49:37:
In Reply to: Re: goofy spidey appearances
posted by ShadZ on March 14, 2002 at 11:44:25:

> I'm not speaking for Russ, but I think the concensus (sp) is that 
the Transformers series did not happen in the Marvel Universe.

The original intention was that Transformers was in the Marvel 
Universe (as made pretty clear by the guest appearances and the 
use of the Savage Land as a key plot point in early issues).  But 
Marvel later backed off from that position and decided that it 
wasn't in continuity at all - they said so expressly in a letter 
column.

Given that the Marvel UK Transformers series (which is part edited 
reprint and part original material) introduced Death's Head, who 
definitely went on to appear in Marvel Universe stories, the best 
view seems to be that neither Transformers comic takes place in 
the mainstream Marvel Universe, but both are set in their own 
parallel Marvel Earth, complete with its own set of Marvel 
characters.

Circuit Breaker's appearance in Secret Wars II is an error, pure 
and simple.  That character actually requires the Transformers to 
be on Earth in order to bring about her origin story.

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Re: goofy spidey appearances
Posted by Irragation Ditch on March 16, 2002 at 21:17:45:
In Reply to: Re: goofy spidey appearances
posted by ShadZ on March 14, 2002 at 11:44:25:

> So if Transformers #5 is not in the MU, why is Spider-Man in it?  
That must be the first and only appearence of the Hasbro Universe 
Spider-Man.

haha, hasbro spidey---does he come with posable arms and plastic 
weapons?

i could never get those backpacks to stay on...but with webbing...

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Re: goofy spidey appearances
Posted by ShadZon March 14, 2002 at 12:00:02:
In Reply to: goofy spidey appearances
posted by Irragation Ditch on March 13, 2002 at 21:36:12:

> and what are some other 'goofy' spider-man appearances; that only 
crazed fans would include into chronology?

> i have a few: 

> Top Dog (star comics) #10

That wasn't Spider-Man, that was a guy who dressed up as Spider-Man 
for store openings, etc.  The story makes it pretty clear that 
Spider-Man is just a fictional character (and earlier issues of Top 
Dog and other Star comics made it clear that they did not happen in 
the Marvel Universe, but in a different continunity I will call the 
Star Universe).  Peter Parker of the Star Universe does show up at 
the end of Top Dog #10, but nothing in the story indicates that he 
is the real Spider-Man (or anything but a newspaper photographer).

> Superpro #1

> Slapstick #2 

Actually, I thought the SuperPro and Slapstick series did happen in 
the MU.  If they are not in database, it's probably because they fall 
into one of the gaps.  (Or SuperPro may be missing because of Russ's 
reluctance to include licensed comics unless he's really really really 
sure they are in the MU -- which I understand and have no quarrels 
with.)

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Re: goofy spidey appearances
Posted by Scott Hutchins on March 16, 2002 at 18:27:23:
In Reply to: goofy spidey appearances
posted by Irragation Ditch on March 13, 2002 at 21:36:12:

It was TF 3, not 5, in which Spidey appeared.  According to the 
caption, it takes place before issue #258, since he's still using 
the alien costume.

> haha, i havent been here in a while--and i noticed in the Spider-
man list, you removed Transformers #5, but left in Godzilla #24. 

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Re: goofy spidey appearances
Posted by Irragation Ditch on March 16, 2002 at 21:12:09:
In Reply to: Re: goofy spidey appearances
posted by Scott Hutchins on March 16, 2002 at 18:27:23:

ya, i think you're right, i got it mixed up with Thing #5. 

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Re: goofy spidey appearances
Posted by Scott Hutchins on March 19, 2002 at 16:27:24:
In Reply to: Re: goofy spidey appearances
posted by Irragation Ditch on March 16, 2002 at 21:12:09:

That reminds me, when Marvel did their checklist in the mid-eighties, 
The Thing was always listed first.  Does this mean it was supposed to 
be first chroronologically somehow, or was it random order?

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Man-Thing error
Posted by Scott Hutchins on March 16, 2002 at 18:23:13:

GSM-T 4
M-T 16

Order is reversed.  According to M-T 17, GSM-T 4 occurs the afternoon 
following M-T 16.

Also, the story in MU 8 & 9 goes between M-T 11 and M-T 12.

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Re: Man-Thing error
Posted by Scott Hutchins on March 16, 2002 at 18:37:38:
In Reply to: Man-Thing error
posted by Scott Hutchins on March 16, 2002 at 18:23:13:

> Also, the story in MU 8 & 9 goes between M-T 11 and M-T 12.

No, I'm wrong.  It takes place just before DD 113.

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Guardians?
Posted by mikeo' on March 16, 2002 at 23:15:01:

Where are there listings of the Guardians of the Galaxy appearances?

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more Man-Thing errors
Posted by Scott Hutchins on March 17, 2002 at 01:21:37:

Reading Man-Thing's appearances in the order of the chronology has 
caysed me to discover several errors that made for clunky reading.  
The aforementioned lack of MU 8 & 9 (which is definitively before 
DD #113, and mentioned in MT #16).

There is no way anything took place between MT 18 & 19, no matter 
what any book said.  At the end of 18, Richard Rory and Carol Selby 
left with Man-Thing for Atlanta, where they are as 19 begins, a mere 
"three hours" having passed since they were in Citrusville.

I propose these changes.  GSS-M #5 takes place between M-T issues 15 
and 16.  15 only deals with one-shot characters, the rest being 
hallucination and/or flashback, but are definitely sat only a few 
months after GSM-T #2, based on the text when Sainte-Cloud is told 
what the candle is supposed to be.

GDM-T#5 is an enigma.  It's three stories framed by Ted and Ellen 
visiting a fortune teller at a carnival (the same one from M-T #5-6) 
May 1, 1971, before arriving in the Everglades.  The first story is 
set in 1975, when it was published, and takes place in Atlanta.  It's 
never really indicated how M-T got back to the swamp between M-T #22 
and MP #28, but presumably he was brought back when he and Steve 
Gerber were put atop the pyramid by Thog and Solidus shattered.  So 
it may or may not have taken place after the issue.  It could have 
taken place while Richard and Carol are at the hotel, but it's not 
likely.

The other two stories take place in the swamp, with no time given.  
The first of these is a contemporary Romeo & Juliet story with an 
impetus for the feud, and a bleaker ending in which the children's 
deaths lead to more fighting rather than reconciliation.  The other 
has a previously unknown character burned by M-T hiring mercenaries 
to ry to kill M-T, ending with all their deaths.  After this, Ted and 
Ellen storm out.  Since Gerber only wrote the frame story, and because 
of how Gerber writes, it's difficult to tell where it really fits.  
Best to just put it first.  The M-T 3 #1 flashback is actually of the 
events in ST #1, so it ought to be set off with a /, as should the 
flashback in AIF #10.

But, then again, it's still tough to see such similar global stories 
as those of MT 14-15 and A118 as separate, but Russ assures us they 
are.  I think even the letters pages said so.

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Le Peregrine appearances.
Posted by J.E. Mills on March 18, 2002 at 19:41:37:

I'm looking for recent appearances of that french hero, Le Peregrine. 
On the Chronology List, it says his last appearance was in Alpha 
Flight #108, but that was years ago, hasnt he showed up since? He was 
supposed to be a agent of Silver Sables' crew, didnt he show up at 
all in that series? How about the Avengers?

Any info would be appreciated. Believe it or not, there is method to 
my madness of searching for his appearances. 

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Re: Le Peregrine appearances.
Posted by Giant Ant on March 24, 2002 at 18:29:12:
In Reply to: Le Peregrine appearances.
posted by J.E. Mills on March 18, 2002 at 19:41:37:

Le Peregrine recently had a cameo in Avengers vol.3 #46, alongside 
Micromax, Thor and Firebird, defending France against Kang.

TT

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Black Widows
Posted by Dimadick on March 21, 2002 at 00:19:43:

  I don't know if this has been answered before but I am curious.
Why isn't the original Black Widow, the character that first appeared 
on 1940 included in the project?She is not out of continiuty since 
she even appeared in the last page of Marvels 1.

Shouldn't the Black Widows be listed as:
Black Widow/Claire Voyant.
Black Widow II/Natasha Romanova.
Black Widow III/Yelena Belova?

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Two characters from Marvels 1 and their identidies.
Posted by Dimadick on March 21, 2002 at 00:45:30:

  "Marvels 1" happens to be one of my favorite comic books and I 
want to ask you about two characters appearing but not listed in 
the project.

  A friend of Phil's appears in page 1 of the issue and continues 
to appear with him till the last pages.From page 2 he is introduced 
as a young sarcastic reporter who believes he is destined to become 
a newspaper editor.In the same page a shadow where a mustache could 
be reveals that if he had one he would look excactly like J.Jonah 
Jameson.Through out the issue he appears to feel threatened and 
overshadowed by all those guys with superpowers that are appearing 
and as a result he develops feelings of hostility towards them.Isn't 
he Jonah making his first appearance on 1939?If he is why is this 
appearance not included in the project?

  In page 26 where various common Americans comment on Captain 
America's actions one appearing in panels 3 and four is not that 
common.He is a young man from New York who can't wait to fight in 
this war.A shadow over one of his eyes where an eyepatch could be 
reveals that if he had one he would look like Nick Fury.And then his 
friends call him Nickie.Isn't this man Nick Fury shortly before 
joining the army?If he is then why is this appearance not included.

Thats it for now and I hope I didn't offended you by asking this 
questions.

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Two Gun Kids
Posted by Dimadick on March 21, 2002 at 01:36:21:

Searching through the project I noticed that there is an entry for 
the Two-Gun Kid but you don't mention his real name Matthew Hawk or 
his original birth name Matthew Liebowicz.

Shouldn't he he listed as:
Two-Gun Kid/Matthew Hawk/Matthew Liebowicz or
Two-Gun Kid/Matthew Hawk Liebowicz?

Actualy he is Two-Gun Kid II.The original was named Clay Harder and 
appeared for 59 issues but in issue number 60 Two-Gun Kid II appeared 
and said that he had read about the original's adventures in dime 
novels and concidered him a phantasy heroe.It is not clear if Two-
Gun Kid I is in continiuty or not.If he is they should be listed as:

Two-Gun Kid/Clay Harder

Two-Gun Kid II/Matthew Hawk Liebowicz.

What do you think?

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Re: Two Gun Kids
Posted by Paulo C. on March 24, 2002 at 03:25:32:
In Reply to: Two Gun Kids
posted by Dimadick on March 21, 2002 at 01:36:21:

> Shouldn't he he listed as:

> Two-Gun Kid/Matthew Hawk/Matthew Liebowicz or
> Two-Gun Kid/Matthew Hawk Liebowicz?

It should be
Two-Gun Kid/Matthew J. Hawk/Matthew J. Liebowicz

> Actualy he is Two-Gun Kid II.The original was named Clay Harder 
and appeared for 59 issues but in issue number 60 Two-Gun Kid II a
ppeared and said that he had read about the original's adventures 
in dime novels and concidered him a phantasy heroe.It is not clear 
if Two-Gun Kid I is in continiuty or not.If he is they should be 
listed as:
> Two-Gun Kid/Clay Harder
> Two-Gun Kid II/Matthew Hawk Liebowicz.
> What do you think?

Two-Gun Kid I is not in continuity. But in the Blaze of Glory mini-
series, Two-Gun has been "dead" for years (after his last appearances 
in Avengers) and has assumed the identity of Clay Harder.

So it should actually be:

Two-Gun Kid/Matthew J. Hawk/Matthew J. Liebowicz/"Clay Harder"

pc13

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Re: Two Gun Kids
Posted by Andy Holcombe on March 25, 2002 at 00:17:51:
In Reply to: Re: Two Gun Kids
posted by Paulo C. on March 24, 2002 at 03:25:32:

> But in the Blaze of Glory mini-series, Two-Gun has been "dead" for 
years (after his last appearances in Avengers)

Matt Hawk and Two-Gun Kid "die" in Sunset Riders

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Guardian
Posted by mikeo' on March 23, 2002 at 23:15:51:

The listing for Guardian has this in his appearances:

KZ4 -1/2 ~ FF2 9/2

According to the key, this means that he made an appearance in 
Kazar (Vol 4) #1 and Fantastic Four (Vol 2) #9, correct?

According to Mile High Comics, the titles printed under Kazar are:

KA-ZAR '97 
KA-ZAR (1970) 
KA-ZAR (1974) 
KA-ZAR (1981) 
KA-ZAR (1997) 
KA-ZAR MINUS (1997) 
KA-ZAR OF THE SAVAGE LAND (one shot)

I would assume that the title from 1997 would be the one referred to 
as KZ4 here at chronology project. 

I picked up this issue recently, and there is no appearance of 
Guardian in that issue, and no appearance in the Fantastic Four's 
second series which was set in an alternative universe/reality, 
anyway. 

Is this just a typo? Or was it another volume of Kazar that was 
intended? 

Some feedback would be great. Thanks! 

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Re: Guardian
Posted by Sean Curtin on March 24, 2002 at 20:53:19:
In Reply to: Guardian
posted by mikeo' on March 23, 2002 at 23:15:51:

> KZ4 -1/2 ~ FF2 9/2

> According to the key, this means that he made an appearance in 
Kazar (Vol 4) #1 and Fantastic Four (Vol 2) #9, correct?

That's actually KA-ZAR (vol 4) *Minus* One, the Flashback Month 
special issue.

-Sean Curtin

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Re: Guardian
Posted by mikeo' on March 26, 2002 at 08:54:33:
In Reply to: Re: Guardian
posted by Sean Curtin on March 24, 2002 at 20:53:19:

Thank you

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Re: Guardian
Posted by mikeo' on April 05, 2002 at 20:27:16:
In Reply to: Re: Guardian
posted by mikeo' on March 26, 2002 at 08:54:33:

The appearance of Guardian in Ka-Zar #-1 is actually a reprinting 
of Alpha Flight (Vol II) #1. Does a reprint actually count as an 
appearance? 

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Re: Guardian
Posted by Fritz on June 01, 2002 at 14:42:25:
In Reply to: Re: Guardian
posted by mikeo' on April 05, 2002 at 20:27:16:

I've often wondered about this entry myself. The Fantastic Four 
issue mentioned is also just a reprint of Alpha Flight II #1. It 
all happens in the actual Alpha Flight issue and I don't think 
should be mentioned in the chronology.

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Talisman
Posted by mikeo' on March 26, 2002 at 08:53:31:

Quasar 23 is listed for Talisman II/Elisabeth Twoyoungmen. Looking 
carefully, it's actually Talisman I from the Contest of Champions. 
He then appears in Q 24 and 25 as well. 

Q 23 should be removed from Talisman II and Q 23, 24 and 25 should 
be added to Talisman I. 

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Citizen V in HEROES FOR HIRE?
Posted by BobMM on March 26, 2002 at 13:10:24:

A recent update to the board lists Citizen V (Zemo in disguise) as 
appearing in HEROES FOR HIRE #1, but none of the rest of the 
Thunderbolts.

Can anyone confirm this appearance?

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Re: Citizen V in HEROES FOR HIRE?
Posted by Peter Fabricius on March 27, 2002 at 02:24:46:
In Reply to: Citizen V in HEROES FOR HIRE?
posted by BobMM on March 26, 2002 at 13:10:24:

> Can anyone confirm this appearance?

Yes, he is in the last panel on page 7, it is a tv program running 
in the background of Iron Fist's training session.

Peter

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Re: Citizen V in HEROES FOR HIRE?
Posted by BobMM on March 27, 2002 at 16:03:14:
In Reply to: Re: Citizen V in HEROES FOR HIRE?
posted by Peter Fabricius on March 27, 2002 at 02:24:46:

> Yes, he is in the last panel on page 7, it is a tv program running 
in the background of Iron Fist's training session.

If it is a TV news show recounting an earlier event, does that count 
as an MCP "appearance"?

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Re: Citizen V in HEROES FOR HIRE?
Posted by ShadZ on March 28, 2002 at 22:13:38:
In Reply to: Re: Citizen V in HEROES FOR HIRE?
posted by BobMM on March 27, 2002 at 16:03:14:

> If it is a TV news show recounting an earlier event, does that 
count as an MCP "appearance"?

Here's how it works, I think:

If the TV appearance is showing someting that has not been seen in 
any previous comic book, it does count.

If the TV appearance is showing something that was in a previous 
story, it is just a flashback-to-previously-seen-events, and doesn't 
count.

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TURNER D. CENTURY
Posted by tf on March 27, 2002 at 22:57:39:

WHERE IS TURNER D. CENTURY?  He was in Spider woman and Scourge 
killed him.  (one of the worst marvel villians of all time)

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Re: TURNER D. CENTURY
Posted by Brian Cook on March 28, 2002 at 08:46:33:
In Reply to: TURNER D. CENTURY
posted by tf on March 27, 2002 at 22:57:39:

He is listed under CENTURY, TURNER D.

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Re: TURNER D. CENTURY
Posted by Brian on March 29, 2002 at 09:23:32:
In Reply to: TURNER D. CENTURY
posted by tf on March 27, 2002 at 22:57:39:

> WHERE IS TURNER D. CENTURY?  He was in Spider woman and Scourge 
killed him.  (one of the worst marvel villians of all time)

I knew I liked Scourge.

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Hate Monger V, other appearances; Joseph Stalin as Coldsteel
Posted by John Mc Donagh on March 28, 2002 at 12:46:49:

This Hatemonger's also in Nomad II#12-BTS,13-15, Avengers West 
Coast#100, and Marvel Comics Presents#152-155.

Also, Joseph Stalin appeared in a Potsdam Conference (July 16, 1945) 
story in Sub-Mariner Annual#1 published in the early 1990's....and 
returned from Hell as the demonic Coldsteel in Avengers West Coast
#98-100. 

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Re: Hate Monger V, other appearances; Joseph Stalin as Coldsteel
Posted by Paul O'Brien on March 29, 2002 at 19:07:59:
In Reply to: Hate Monger V, other appearances; Joseph Stalin as 
Coldsteel
posted by John Mc Donagh on March 28, 2002 at 12:46:49:

> Also, Joseph Stalin appeared in a Potsdam Conference (July 16, 
1945) story in Sub-Mariner Annual#1 published in the early 1990's....
and returned from Hell as the demonic Coldsteel in Avengers West 
Coast#98-100. 

My god, that's sad.

"Stalin" is actually the Russian for "Man of Steel", so I suppose 
you can give it some kind of credit on that level.

By the way, if he's going to get listed, "Josef Stalin" wasn't his 
real name.  He was born "Josef Djugashvili" and changed it to 
something snappier for political purposes.  (The same goes for 
Lenin and Trotsky, for what it's worth.)

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Raazer
Posted by mikeo' on March 29, 2002 at 13:07:55:

Black Raazer and Black Razer should be listed as the same person, 
even with the mispelling of the issues. Alpha Flight 32 and 50 should 
be added to him. 
