Non-canon list update: Planet Terry
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 01, 2003 at 11:53:29:

I recently came across a bunch of PLANET TERRY comics and, having read them, I can report that it is extremely unlikely to be canon.

While my run is incomplete (9 out of 12 issues; it ran 1985-1986), it seems clear that the book was not intended as part of the Marvel Universe.  Ish #4 starts with the narraration: "a far-off day in the future!".

"Planet" Terry and his friends, a robot and a reptillian alien, travel from planet to planet searching for his long lost parents.  Although I've read speculation online that Terry may be Kree because of his costume, the books strongly imply that he is Human.  During his travels, none of the aliens he encounters bear any resemblance to traditional Marvel aliens - no Kree, Skrulls, Badoon, etc.

The book is drawn by Warren Kremmer, who did a large body of work for Harvey, and it shows.  It's a fun little book that did not age well (retrofuturism and a few '80s references; I was reminded of old Hanna-Barbera SF cartoons like the SPACE KIDDETTES and ASTRO AND THE SPACE MUTTS), but we can pretty safely add it to the non-canon list.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Funny you should mention Planet terry...
Posted by Jeph! on February 01, 2003 at 17:01:27:
In Reply to: Non-canon list update: Planet Terry
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 01, 2003 at 11:53:29:

I have a bunch of random Planet Terry reprints in the back of my UK TransFormers magazines, and I'm trying to figure out which issues they're from.  Can you help me out?

The story titles and page counts are:

"Some Answers" [5p]
"Malt Shop Menace" [7p]
"The Saga of Princess Ugly" [6p]
"Too Close (Enough) for Comfort" [9p]

Any help would be appreciated ... I tried the Unofficial Index of Marvel Creators, but they don't have ANY info on Planet Terry (and, really, it's not like it's a priority).

Thanks, StAkAr.

-Jeph!

PS - From what I've read, I agree: non-canon.

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Re: Funny you should mention Planet terry...
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 01, 2003 at 19:00:26:
In Reply to: Funny you should mention Planet terry...
posted by Jeph! on February 01, 2003 at 17:01:27:

Jeph!, no relation(?) to Yahoo! wrote:

> I have a bunch of random Planet Terry reprints in the back of my UK TransFormers magazines, and I'm trying to figure out which issues they're from.  Can you help me out?

Transformers?!

> The story titles and page counts are:
> "Some Answers" [5p]

Third story in #1.

> "Malt Shop Menace" [7p]

Fourth story in #1.

> "The Saga of Princess Ugly" [6p]

First story in #2.

> "Too Close (Enough) for Comfort" [9p]

Second in #2.

I suppose someone figured that a child's attention span wouldn't be long enough to endure a book-length story, so they divided each issue into several chapters for easier digestion.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: Funny you should mention Planet terry...
Posted by Jeph! on February 02, 2003 at 01:20:43:
In Reply to: Re: Funny you should mention Planet terry...
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 01, 2003 at 19:00:26:

> Transformers?!

Yep, the UK magazine carried reprints of "Planet Terry" from #16 to, I don't know, probably #25 or so.  Weird, huh?  I guess we know what they thought of their target audience.

Thanks for the info.

> I suppose someone figured that a child's attention span wouldn't be long enough to endure a book-length story, so they divided each issue into several chapters for easier digestion.

Eh?  What's that?  I'm sorry, I was distracted by something shiny.

-Jeph!

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Want to help, but not sure if i can
Posted by Edgar C. Lariz on February 01, 2003 at 13:46:01:

Hi. I'm a Mexican Marvel reader since a long time now, and one of my favorites is Spidey, and it's about his chronological order you suggest where I totally disagree in many parts.

However, I talk of corrections of titles published since about 1981, and that's why I'm not sure if those corrections (that ain't few at all) might be of your concern.

Please let me know if I can start shooting you with my helping opinion. I won't talk about any issue that I don't own, so be sure I know what i talk about.

Thanks, and I hope those old stories be of your interest still.

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Re: Want to help, but not sure if i can
Posted by Administrator on February 01, 2003 at 17:18:35:
In Reply to: Want to help, but not sure if i can
posted by Edgar C. Lariz on February 01, 2003 at 13:46:01:

If you have something to contribute, then post away.

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praying mantis
Posted by Wayne Hilliard on February 02, 2003 at 20:42:39:

I am searching for appearences of the Marvel super heroin Praying Mantis..she appeared briefly in some Avengers comics...could anyone help me to find information about her?

Thank you
npgboy@webtv.ne

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Re: praying mantis
Posted by Jhaeman on February 02, 2003 at 21:42:15:
In Reply to: praying mantis
posted by Wayne Hilliard on February 02, 2003 at 20:42:39:

Are you sure you don't want Mantis, the woman with the green uniform?  Check under "M" to see if it's the same character.

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Thunderbolts #57 characters
Posted by Administrator on February 03, 2003 at 22:19:45:

Okay, attempting to analyze TB 57, and if anyone can provide some id's for a few of the heroes in Graviton's clutches, you'll save me some time...

1) the blue-skinned woman surrounded by Hulk, Aragorn, Sub-Mariner and Nighthawk.

2) the caped purple figure between Captain America and Invisible Woman's arm.

3) between Mr. Fantastic's legs are: Aegis, She-Hulk, Iron Fist, and...who? Looks like the armbands belong to Turbo.

4) the armored figure with a star-shaped shield, between Shang-Chi and Mr. Fantastic.

5) the woman in yellow between Shang-Chi and Mr. Fantastic's leg.

6) the figure in red between Moon Knight and Mr. Fantastic's arm.

7) the woman between Daredevil and Mr. Fantastic. Is that Darkstar?

Thanks.

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Re: Thunderbolts #57 characters
Posted by Antonio Gavio on February 04, 2003 at 00:05:27:
In Reply to: Thunderbolts #57 characters
posted by Administrator on February 03, 2003 at 22:19:45:

3)Justice
5)Firestar
6)Ant-Man

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Re: Thunderbolts #57 characters
Posted by Antonio Gavio on February 04, 2003 at 00:07:44:
In Reply to: Thunderbolts #57 characters
posted by Administrator on February 03, 2003 at 22:19:45:

Actually that's not Ant-Man as I said in my earlier post.

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Re: Thunderbolts #57 characters
Posted by Antonio Gavio on February 04, 2003 at 00:46:03:
In Reply to: Thunderbolts #57 characters
posted by Administrator on February 03, 2003 at 22:19:45:

> Okay, attempting to analyze TB 57, and if anyone can provide some id's for a few of the heroes in Graviton's clutches, you'll save me some time...

> 1) the blue-skinned woman surrounded by Hulk, Aragorn, Sub-Mariner and Nighthawk.

Looks familiar but can't tell for sure

> 2) the caped purple figure between Captain America and Invisible Woman's arm.

Le Pelegrine

> 3) between Mr. Fantastic's legs are: Aegis, She-Hulk, Iron Fist, and...who? Looks like the armbands belong to Turbo.

Justice

> 4) the armored figure with a star-shaped shield, between Shang-Chi and Mr. Fantastic.

Red Guardian

> 5) the woman in yellow between Shang-Chi and Mr. Fantastic's leg.

Firestar

> 6) the figure in red between Moon Knight and Mr. Fantastic's arm.

Vostok

> 7) the woman between Daredevil and Mr. Fantastic. Is that Darkstar?

Yup, Darkstar

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Re: Thunderbolts #57 characters
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 04, 2003 at 07:22:38:
In Reply to: Re: Thunderbolts #57 characters
posted by Antonio Gavio on February 04, 2003 at 00:46:03:

> > 1) the blue-skinned woman surrounded by Hulk, Aragorn, Sub-Mariner and Nighthawk.

She's Andromeda.

> > 2) the caped purple figure between Captain America and Invisible Woman's arm.

> Le Pelegrine

Yes, actually Peregrine.

--Paul

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HULK #291
Posted by captamr on February 03, 2003 at 22:50:11:

In H2 291, the Hulk walks into Marvel offices and visits with Ann Nocenti. Now, the presence of Marvel writers and editors is well established in the Universe, but in this issue Ann is holding original art in her hands of this very story and Bruce Banner is very much aware of it. These scenes and the ending panels wrap around a long flashback of Gen. Ross, which Ill get to in a second. The Hulk has a listing along with Gen. Ross but this may pose a canon issue similar to the What If series, but in reverse order. If the intro and ending are canon, then

NOCENTI, ANN
H2 291**
UX@ 7
DAZZ 30

The Gen. Ross flashback  (Ross as a boy and Betty as a very young child) is very significant as it well maybe the first appearances of Gen. Ross and Betty making the other earlier listings redundant:

ROSS, GEN. THADDEUS THUNDERBOLT
H2 291- FB**
M/:LG 12
XFOR-1- FB
H2-1- FB         Im not sure what this is??
H3 15-FB

BANNER, BETTY ROSS TALBOT
H2 291- FB**
H2 466- FB
H3 15- FB

Charlie

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Wizard 1/2 issues
Posted by OnionMan on February 04, 2003 at 17:53:58:

Are the various issues from Wizard numbered 1/2 canon?

I can't find any of them in the chronology listings.

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Re: Wizard 1/2 issues
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 04, 2003 at 22:11:08:
In Reply to: Wizard 1/2 issues
posted by OnionMan on February 04, 2003 at 17:53:58:

IIRC, none have been examined yet.  As with any other special project, these things are determined on a case-by-case basis.  FWIW, there are a number of Wizard #0 issues that are definitely canon and are already in the Project.  Among them: A3 0, CM5 0, NW2 0, and TB 0.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: Wizard 1/2 issues
Posted by NIGHTMARE on February 04, 2003 at 22:24:47:
In Reply to: Wizard 1/2 issues
posted by OnionMan on February 04, 2003 at 17:53:58:

I have read most of Marvel's 1/2 issues.

Gambit #1/2: Should be cannon because the story in a issue of Gambit refers to the 1/2 issue. Also (Fabian Niechez's crazy stories) a Gambit Dot comic is referenced in the same story as the half issue. I suppose THAT wouldn't be cannon.

Iron Man #1/2: should be cannon because it begins a story that follows into the regular series and is mentioned in one issue's reference.

As far as the 1/2 issues...I don't know. The rest of you can decide if they are cannon or not.

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Re: Wizard 1/2 issues
Posted by Jeph! on February 04, 2003 at 22:53:11:
In Reply to: Re: Wizard 1/2 issues
posted by NIGHTMARE on February 04, 2003 at 22:24:47:

> > Are the various issues from Wizard numbered  canon?
> > I can't find any of them in the chronology listings.

That's because you're not looking for the right thing: they're listed as "0.5" issues.

With our current code, "1/2" would refer to the second story in issue #1 of a series, so we needed to go a different route to indicate "half" issues.

> Gambit #1/2: Should be cannon because the story in a issue of Gambit refers to the 1/2 issue. Also (Fabian Niechez's crazy stories) a Gambit Dot comic is referenced in the same story as the half issue. I suppose THAT wouldn't be cannon.

Actually, after a looong debate, we decided that the cybercomic WAS canon.  Both Gambit #1/2 and the cybercomic are currently in the Project, listed as GAM3 0.5, and GAMCC.

> As far as the 1/2 issues...I don't know. The rest of you can decide if they are cannon or not.

I believe that our policy is that they're ALL canon -- there's nothing in any of them to indicate that they're NON-canon.  Just being published and distributed through different channels is, in itself, not grounds for dismissing the books.

By the way, after a long dry spell, there's been a new #1/2 issue -- Weapon X (v2) #1/2.  I'll be writing it up eventually, but as a quick reference it takes place between "Weapon X: the Draft" issues "Zero: and "Sauron".

-Jeph!

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Weapon X issues
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 21:21:59:
In Reply to: Re: Wizard 1/2 issues
posted by Jeph! on February 04, 2003 at 22:53:11:

> By the way, after a long dry spell, there's been a new #1/2 issue -- Weapon X (v2) #1/2.  I'll be writing it up eventually, but as a quick reference it takes place between "Weapon X: the Draft" issues "Zero: and "Sauron".

Actually, Jeph, it would be great to have a write-up on the various Weapon X issues.  I only have two of (I think) four of the pre-#1 issues, and I'm a bit confused about how they all relate to one another and to the current ongoing series.

--Paul

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Re: Weapon X issues
Posted by Jeph! on February 06, 2003 at 22:20:15:
In Reply to: Weapon X issues
posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 21:21:59:

> Actually, Jeph, it would be great to have a write-up on the various Weapon X issues.  I only have two of (I think) four of the pre-#1 issues, and I'm a bit confused about how they all relate to one another and to the current ongoing series.

Sure, Paul -- I'll get right on it.  Maybe early tomorrow...

-Jeph!

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Re: Weapon X issues
Posted by OnionMan on February 07, 2003 at 09:08:51:
In Reply to: Weapon X issues
posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 21:21:59:

Take a look at www.uncannyxmen.net for great issue summaries:

Here is the page for the Weapon X One Shots
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showfaq.asp?fldAuto=85

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Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
Posted by Jeph! on February 07, 2003 at 16:11:29:
In Reply to: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
posted by Jeph! on February 07, 2003 at 15:54:12:

OnionMan has provided a great link to write-ups of the content of the Weapon X one-shots, so I'll just focus on the chronology here. Five one-shots, under the theme "Weapon X: the Draft" -- although the words "the Draft" are never seen on any book covers -- and the Wizard special edition, Weapon X #1/2.

(Technically, by the way, the regular "WX" series is volume 2 -- volume one was an "Age of Apocalypse" Wolverine series.)

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First up, in chronological order, is Weapon X: Zero. This issue was published LAST, but it takes place FIRST.

The opening sequence, pages 1-9, shows the (re)creation of Agent Zero, remade from a wounded man brought in by Sabretooth, who is working for Weapon X. Sabes' adamantium bonding procedure was finished in W2 #164, and his first mission for Weapon X was in W2 #165.

Fan speculation believes that the wounded man who became Agent Zero was actually Maverick, who sustained near-fatal injuries in W2 #166. I happen to agree -- and this actually works out quite nicely in terms of placing the first few pages of WX:ZERO, as it's the first time Sabretooth actually has time to recruit.

Page 10 features Copycat as a member of Weapon X -- she left the team some time prior to DP3 #57. (I tend to believe that Copycat left the team just prior to DP3 #56, based on the finality with which she "moves in with" Deadpool in that issue -- but there's really no proof either way.) This page also features Wild Child, who looks happy, indicating that this is before he lost his power of speech. (More in a bit.)

Pages 11-13 take place over "the next few weeks", as Agent Zero does some black ops work for Weapon X.

Pages 14-22 take place some time after those next few weeks, when Zero is ordered to make an attempt on Wolverine's life. He fails, and is punished by the Director. The Director sits in his office watching multiple monitors, on which we see Agent Zero, Spider-Man, Captain America, Four Freedoms Plaza, and what are probably an Avengers Quinjet and the Hulk. The Agent Zero feed is live, but the shot of Four Freedoms Plaza is clearly taped (the Plaza hasn't existed on earth since FF3 #15 or so). In WX 0.5 we see this same set-up, and several of the Director's monitor feeds are clearly taped there too -- I wouldn't worry about giving Spidey or Cap "appearances" for this issue.

The Director has a folder on his desk in which we see photos of Wolvie and Deadpool. We see this EXACT SAME folder on his desk, with the exact same photos, in WX #0.5 -- implying, possibly, that this sequence takes place around the same time period as WX #0.5. This is probably the only clue we have to placing this sequence, other than the fact that Wolvie has two good eyes here, placing it after W2 #169.

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Next up, Weapon X #1/2 -- or, rather, WX #0.5. The issue opens with the Director going through the folder we saw in WX:ZERO, musing about the men who have given him trouble -- Wolvie, Deadpool ... and Sabretooth, who we see is the third photo in the folder. The Director ruminates on past events up through W2 #176 -- which places WX #0.5 after W2 #176, and likely places WX:ZERO pp.14-22 after W2 #176 as well.

We see several scenes on the Directors' screens on page 12 -- but nothing all that "current" to indicate what other events might be taking place "now". We see Iron Man in his Grell armor, indicating that this issue takes place after the wrap of the Kang War.

There's also a scene, by the way, of Sauron attacking and draining a young couple. A full moon is shown in this sequence, although it's possibly a flashback.

The Director decides that it's time for a draft of new operatives in this issue (p.12), which places it before the rest of the "Draft" one-shots.

WX #0.5 also features the Director recruiting Washout from an X-Force open tryout. I don't have the issue, but I believe that this is the same tryout seen in X-Force #129 ... I believe that Washout appears in both issues, and the Orphan appears in WX #0.5, announcing the tryouts on TV. This places WX #0.5 pp.1-12 and p.13 panel 1 just *before* XFO #129, and WX #0.5 p.13 panels 2-5 and pp.14-16 just *after* XFO #129.

Washout's operations and new control of his powers probably don't happen in one day -- and the full moon shown in the Sauron scene doesn't jibe with the full moon shown in most of the "Draft" one-shots -- they can't all take place the same night (or even two or three nights apart, as the moon can APPEAR full for up to three nights in a row) -- so either Sauron's scene is a flashback, or the whole of WX #0.5 takes place a month before the "Draft" one-shots, or the final sequence with Washout mastering his powers (pp.15-16) takes place AFTER all the rest of the "Draft" one-shots. I'm not sure what option I'd pick -- for now I'll go with option A, "the Sauron scene is a flashback".

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"Weapon X: Sauron" is next -- pp.1-3 features the Director giving Weapon X their assignments, meaning it falls before the start of the remaining three one-shots. Sauron is assigned to recruit Emma Frost -- and she has diamond skin and is referred to as "the X-Men's Emma Frost", placing it after X #116.

pp.4-7 feature Sauron dive-bombing Emma Frost's New York penthouse. This takes place in the daytime, likely the same day Sauron is given his assignment. (All operatives are "on a timetable"). Emma hijacks his brain and sends him to recruit someone else instead -- his "plan B" mutant.

pp.8-19 take place in Australia -- Emma made Sauron fly there under his own power. It's daytime there, but we see that it's nighttime at the Weapon X compound -- a full moon is shown.

pp.20-22 take place back at the compound -- unclear if it's day or night, but if it took Sauron 12 hours or so (day to night in the USA) to fly to Australia, it probably took him the same amount of time to fly back -- so this is probably the next day. Kane is shown here, uninjured (more in a bit).

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Next up are WX:WILD CHILD and WX:MARROW. Both issues take place at night, during a full moon -- one would assume that they're both the same night as WX:SAURON pp.8-19, and the same day they're all given their orders.

A few details are necessary to clarify here: let's start with WX:WILD CHILD.

This issue features a flashback to Wild Child losing his voice -- Sabretooth slashed his throat during a mission to recruit Sunfire, "six months ago" at his home in Kobe. The fact that Sabretooth is working for Weapon X in this flashback places it after W2 #164, and the fact that Wild Child appears happy and outgoing in WX:ZERO p.10 indicates that it takes place after that sequence as well (therefore after W2 #166 and WX:ZERO pp.1-10).

The fact that it's "six months ago" ... well, maybe that can lead to a more accurate placement on Paul B's calendar. Right now we know that "the Draft" takes place after the Kang War, after W2 #176, and after X #116 -- X #116 is probably the latest of those events. It also takes place after XFO #129, but as far as I know, X-Force has been a floating series, hard to pin down, so it's not much help -- in fact, placing WX #0.5 is probably what's going to allow us to place XFO #123-129.

How many "months" have elapsed between W2 #166 and X #116 on your calendar, Paul?

Also, WX:WILD CHILD contains an epilogue that takes place "three months later", and is BEFORE the first issue of the ongoing WX series. This implies a NINE month gap between W2 #166 and WX2 #1, with the events of the "Draft" happening at the six-month mark.

Let me make WX:WILD CHILD a little clearer:

pp.1-4 - nighttime with full moon.
pp.4-10 - flashback, "six months ago", one day in Kobe, Japan (with a quick follow-up back at the Weapon X base, probably the same day).
pp.10-20 - the same night as pp.1-4, and the next morning.
pp.21-23 - "Three months later", Aurora is finally cured and ready to serve in Weapon X (which we see her do in WX2 #1). One day, at suppertime.

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Now, onto some details about WX:MARROW. Like the others, this issue takes place on a night with a full moon. However, Marrow isn't given her orders along with everyone else in WX:SAURON, she's given them just after coming out of radical surgery to fix her powers. However, we know that this surgery is on the same day as the orders are given to the others because the narration puts her out on the mission only "hours" after the surgery, and the full moon shown that night is, ASSUMEDLY, the same one as the others.

I say assumedly because, in this issue, Marrow wounds Agent Kane badly enough that he needs "minor rehab", and possibly badly enough to delay his own "Draft" assignment (more in a bit) -- and yet we see an uninjured Kane in WX:SAURON pp.20-22, which apparently occur the day AFTER the "night with full moon" where Sauron and Wild Child's missions occur.

This implies that Kane hadn't yet been injured that morning -- so I'm assuming that the full moon shown in WX:MARROW is the NEXT night's moon (as I mentioned before, the moon can appear full for up to three nights). That places Kane's injuries the night AFTER WX:SAURON pp.20-22.

pp.1-5 -- Marrow's surgery.
pp.6-10 -- "hours later", Marrow hits the New York nightclub scene.
pp.11-18 -- "hours later", Marrow fights and wounds Mesmero and Kane, who will recover with "minor rehab".
pp.19-20 -- Marrow completes her assignment, killing D'Gard. Full moon shown, but it must be the NEXT night's "full" moon.
pp.21-22 -- "hours later", Marrow returns to the WX compound.

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Finally, we have WX:KANE. This issue takes place on a night with a CRESCENT moon. Since Kane, good soldier that he is, wouldn't dawdle in his mission (and indeed, agent Jackson says that he ran off half-cocked without completely reading the target's profile), then either the crescent moon is a topical reference, or this issue takes place AFTER Kane's injuries in WX:MARROW and his subsequent rehab.

We see Kane getting his assignment at the same time as the others in WX:SAURON pp.1-3 -- but he and Brent Jackson go on their mission in this issue as a group, and both WX:SAURON and WX:WILD CHILD show us that Jackson is hanging around the compound the night of the full moon -- implying that he and Kane AREN'T out on their mission that same night. So I'm inclined to go by the evidence of the moons, place this issue a few weeks after the rest, and claim that it takes place after Kane's rehab.

(The moon looks like a fat "C", by the way -- I have no idea which way the moon wanes, so I don't know if that means that it's been ONE or THREE weeks since the full moon.)

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Anyway, that wraps it up -- here's a quick ordering of everything I mentioned above.

W2 #162-166 (Wolvie gets his eye ripped out in #164)
WX:ZERO pp.1-9 (the creation of Agent Zero, shortly after W2 #166 -- VERY shortly after if Zero turns out to be Maverick)
WX:ZERO p.10 (Wild Child appears happy and outgoing)
WX:WILD CHILD-FB (Wild Child loses his voice, "six months" before the rest of WX:WILD CHILD)
DP3 #56 (I theorize Copycat left Weapon X *for* Deadpool prior to this issue).
W2 #167-169 (Wolvie appears here with one eye)
DP3 #57-60 (Wolvie appears in DP3 #60 with two eyes)

WX:ZERO pp.11-13 (over the course of a few weeks)
W2 @'01 (a lead-in to W2 #170)
W2 #170-176 (I've placed this arc just before the Kang War)

A3 #45-54 (the Kang War -- Iron Man begins using the Grell armor)<br>WX #0.5-FB (Sauron attacks a couple, full moon shown)
X #116 (Emma Frost gains diamond skin and affiliates herself with the X-Men)

WX:ZERO pp.14-22 (Agent Zero attempts to kill Wolvie -- the folder on the Director's desk links this time to that of WX #0.5)
WX #0.5 pp.1-13 (the Director decides to begin a draft, ruminates about events as recent as W2 #176. Iron Man seen in Grell armor, the Orphan announces X-Force tryouts)
XFO #129 (X-Force tryouts)
WX #0.5 pp.13-16 (the Director transforms Washout into a water-based life-form)
WX:SAURON pp.1-19 (the Director hands out the Draft assignments. Full moon)
WX:WILD CHILD pp.1-20 (full moon, "six months after" the FB in this issue.)
WX:SAURON pp.20-22 (apparently the morning of the next day  Sauron returns from Australia)
WX:MARROW (the night after the other Draft issues -- the moon is still full.)

WX:KANE ("C"-shaped crescent moon, one or three weeks after the other Draft issues)

WX:WILD CHILD pp.21-23 (three months after the rest of WX:WILD CHILD, Aurora is cured)
WX2 #1-5 (Aurora appears cured in #1)

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Let me know if you need more details, Paul...

-Jeph!

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Re: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 07, 2003 at 22:14:21:
In Reply to: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
posted by Jeph! on February 07, 2003 at 16:11:29:

This is EXCELLENT, Jeph!  Thanks so much; it's exactly what I need.  Now I have to go back and continue dropping citations into a calendar...

--Paul

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Re: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
Posted by DCW3 on February 09, 2003 at 14:10:27:
In Reply to: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
posted by Jeph! on February 07, 2003 at 16:11:29:

> (The moon looks like a fat "C", by the way -- I have no idea which way the moon wanes, so I don't know if that means that it's been ONE or THREE weeks since the full moon.)

Again with the moons! The last quarter moon--that looks like a "C"--occurs one week after a full moon.

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Re: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 09, 2003 at 21:25:31:
In Reply to: Re: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
posted by DCW3 on February 09, 2003 at 14:10:27:

> > (The moon looks like a fat "C", by the way -- I have no idea which way the moon wanes, so I don't know if that means that it's been ONE or THREE weeks since the full moon.)

> Again with the moons! The last quarter moon--that looks like a "C"--occurs one week after a full moon.

I think a half moon (lit on left side) appears a week after a full moon.  A "C" moon (crescent on left side) would occur almost two weeks after a full moon, right before a new moon.

BTW, it's funny how we never see a half moon in comics.  Whenever a moon is depicted, it's usually full, and when it isn't it's a crescent moon.  What's wrong with a nice half moon?

Paul

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The moon in WX:KANE
Posted by Jeph! on February 09, 2003 at 22:17:10:
In Reply to: Re: Weapon X one-shot chronology notes
posted by Paul Bourcier on February 09, 2003 at 21:25:31:

> > > (The moon looks like a fat "C", by the way -- I have no idea which way the moon wanes, so I don't know if that means that it's been ONE or THREE weeks since the full moon.)

> > Again with the moons! The last quarter moon--that looks like a "C"--occurs one week after a full moon.

> I think a half moon (lit on left side) appears a week after a full moon.  A "C" moon (crescent on left side) would occur almost two weeks after a full moon, right before a new moon.

I suppose  should be a little more specific about this moon in WX:KANE, since it's starting its own line of conversation...

It's NOT a new mon, and it's not the thin crescent you'd see JUST before a new moon.  It's a FAT crescent -- somewhere halfway between a half-moon and a new moon.  (Which, I suppose, would put it somewhere around ten-eleven nights after the full moon, right?)

In this case, let's say that, going by moon evidence, WX:KANE takes place eleven days after WX:SAURON and WX:WILD CHILD, and ten days after WX:MARROW.

-Jeph!

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Re: The moon in WX:KANE
Posted by DCW3 on February 10, 2003 at 13:53:32:
In Reply to: The moon in WX:KANE
posted by Jeph! on February 09, 2003 at 22:17:10:

> It's NOT a new mon, and it's not the thin crescent you'd see JUST before a new moon.  It's a FAT crescent -- somewhere halfway between a half-moon and a new moon.  (Which, I suppose, would put it somewhere around ten-eleven nights after the full moon, right?)

> In this case, let's say that, going by moon evidence, WX:KANE takes place eleven days after WX:SAURON and WX:WILD CHILD, and ten days after WX:MARROW.

Sounds good. (My calendar uses fat crescents when it ought to use half moons, which is what threw me off a little in my first post. I guess even they think crescents look better than half moons, eh, Paul?)

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Wolverine Question
Posted by John on February 05, 2003 at 00:01:13:

In the Wolverine Chronology, there is a listing for BEST OF MARVEL COMICS 1.  Can anyone tell me what this book is?  When it was published?  Anything?  I'm filling in some holes in my collection, and I can't seem to figure out what this book is.

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Re: Wolverine Question
Posted by Jeph! on February 05, 2003 at 00:32:36:
In Reply to: Wolverine Question
posted by John on February 05, 2003 at 00:01:13:

It's a big, red hardcover book, published in (I think) 1987.  It collects a bunch of top-notch comics, and in the back is a six-page, all-new Wolverine story by Chris Claremont and Marshall Rogers.

The front cover is all-red, with a gold-emboseed crouching Romita Spider-Man.  I found one on eBay for around $9.

This same Wolvie story, by the way, is reprinted in the back of the oversized book "MARVEL: Five Fabulous Decades of the World's Greatest Comics".

Good luck!

-Jeph!

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From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 07:29:13:

The recent DD-Alias postings helped me put together a chronology involving Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Ant-Man, the Black Panther, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and Vision. I think I've figured out where the Asgard-over-Manhattan, Cap identity revelation, and Black Panther "death" storylines work in relation to Avengers chronology. Feedback is welcome.

Black Panther v3 #42 
	BP3 23 is referred to as having occurred last year. Full moon.
Black Panther v3 #43
	Sues not pregnant here...really.
Black Panther v3 #44 FB
Black Panther v3 #44
Black Panther v3 #45
	Black Panther and Iron Man accidentally put a large hole in the White House. Placing that incident here would help justify Wasps pointing out the reconstruction in A3 57.  This issue occurs before the attack on Pepper in the first part of IM3 54.
Black Panther v3 #46 
	It is shown that it is known that Thor has assumed the throne of Asgard, so BP3 41 must occur after the A3 56-FB.
Black Panther v3 #47 
	The story in BP3 41-47 occur over the course of a couple of days.
Black Panther v3 #48  FB #3
Black Panther v3 #48  FB #2
Black Panther v3 #48  FB #1
Black Panther v3 #48  FB #4
	These flashbacks occur the same day as the end of BP3 47, the week before BP3 48FB #5.  TChallas future self collapses and must be returned to his chamber.

Avengers v3 #57
Avengers v3 #58					
	A3 57-58 occur over the course of two days.  In A3 57, we see White House reconstruction, probably following the Panther-Iron Man battle in BP3 45 (not necessarily Kang War destruction as implied).  The Black Panther rejoins the Avengers, probably after BP3 47, since Gyrich is still with him.  Given that Scott Lang loses custody of his daughter in A3 62, and that continuity from A3 57 to A3 62 is fairly tight, A3 57 probably occurs after MDS 3/2.

Avengers v3 #59
	One day, enough days after A3 58 for the Avengers to round up seventeen would-be dictators.  Lord Thor appears here in the costume first seen in issue #45 of his own title.  Jack of Hearts enters the Zero Room at 3:32 AM and is supposed to stay in there for ten hours.  Green grass and trees in Virginia.

Avengers v3 #60
	Same day as A3 59 and the next day.  The Vision does not have the appearance he acquires in Vision 1-4, so this issue must occur before Vision #1.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #1
	One night, perhaps the same night as A3 60.  Green grass and trees in Queens.  The full moon may be topical.  It must be Monday.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #2
	Same night as AI:V 1 and the next day.  The second day is a Tuesday, and we see warm weather (judging by clothing) and green grass and trees at Penn State, where college is in session and was so the preceding week as well.  This is probably a summer session.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #3
	The same night as the end of AI:V 2.  It is a month since Gremlin arrived in the U.S.  Apparently Penn State students like to party on a Tuesday night.  Green grass and trees.  The full moon may be topical.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #4
	The same night as AI:V 3.  Green trees in Philadelphia and Queens.

Avengers v3 #61
	One day, perhaps the day after AI:V 4.  It is probably a couple of days after the end of A3 60, as news of the Avengers new status from the end of A3 60 is getting news coverage, and its hard to believe that Thor would stick around for long after A3 60.  During this period of a couple of days, Ant-Man hangs around Avengers Mansion; it is likely at this time that Carol Danvers gives Scott Lang the name and phone number of Jessica Jones, placing this issue probably just before Scotts first call to Jessica in Alias #13.  Thor (to whom Wasp refers as a king) leaves for Asgard, not by walking out the door and flying up to his floating kingdom, but through interdimensional teleportation; this suggests that A3 61 occurs before T2 46, the storyline that leads to Asgard over Manhattan.  The Vision has a new appearance here, resulting from his encounter with the Gremlin in AI:V 1-4, so enough time must pass between A3 60 and 61 for that miniseries to occur.  TChalla probably appears here before the death of his future self in BP3-FB #5.  It looks like Jack of Hearts has 8 hours and 14 minutes left of being locked in the Zero Room, but it cant be less than two hours after A3 59  this must be a different period of confinement from that begun in A3 59; indeed the ten-hour lock-down must occur each day, as revealed in A3 62.  Green grass and trees in Manhattan.

Black Panther v3 #48  FB #5
Black Panther v3 #49  FB #2
	These two flashbacks occur during a day the week after the first four flashbacks in BP3 48; A3 57-61 do a good job of filling that week.  TChallas future self is slain by MBaku.  This likely occurs after the Panthers appearance in A3 61, since he spends the three days after this brooding and then gives up his Panther identity in BP3 49.	

Black Panther v3 #48
Black Panther v3 #49
	 BP3 48-49 occur three days after the second flashback in BP3 49, during which time TChalla broods over the death of his future self.  TChalla gives up his Panther identity in BP3 49 and is missing and presumed dead during the months following BP3 49 and before BP3 52.

Alias #13
	I dont have this issue, but I believe Scott places his first phone call to Jessica Jones in this issue.  This may place this issue shortly after A3 61.

Alias #14
	Again, I dont have this issue, so I dont know how much time passes here or since issue #13.  As Sean notes, theres casual mention of Daredevils identity, but it sounds as if its still making headlines.  Murdock seems to hire Jessica as a bodyguard shortly after this issue.

Alias #15 ~ Daredevil v2 #36 (pages 5-13)
	From what I understand from Antonio, pages 2-10 of Alias #15 are synchronous with pages 5-13 of DD2 36. A more detailed accounting of Alias would be welcomed.  During their date in this issue, Scott Lang tells Jessica about his daughter, Cassie: She's my reason for everything. Seriously --I'd do anything for her. Don't know what my life would be like without her.  This indicates that this issue occurs before Scott loses custody of Cassie in A3 62. As for Daredevil, it is three weeks after DD2 36 pg. 1-4.		

Daredevil v2 #36 (pages 14-21)
Daredevil v2 #37
	These continue the same night as DD2 36 pg. 5-13 and the next couple of days.	

Avengers v3 #62				
	One day, sometime shortly after A3 61.  Pym concludes that Jack must stay in the containment room fourteen hours a day instead of ten, and he notes that Jack spent the last few years in space.  Scott Lang loses his daughter in a custody hearing (it must be a weekday), so this issue must occur after Alias 15, in which he tells Jessica that he doesnt know what his life would be like without Cassie.  Ant-Man officially joins the Avengers in this issue.  The Black Panther is not seen in this issue.  Green grass and trees in Manhattan.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 1-6)
	One night.  The original White Tiger (Hector Ayala) comes out of retirement and stops a robbery, only to be fingered as a cop killer.  DD3 39 refers to this event as having occurred July 19th.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 7-9)
	The night of the day after DD2 38 pg. 1-6 (and so July 20).  Luke Cage and Iron Fist convince Matt Murdock to represent Hector Ayala.  Full moon.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 10-12)
	The day after DD2 38 pg. 7-9 (and so July 21).  Matt Murdock visits Hector Ayala at Rykers and takes his case.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 13-17)
	The night of the day after DD2 38 pg. 10-12 (and so July 22).  Luke Cage and Iron Fist gather some information on the Ayala case while on the phone with Matt.

Daredevil v2 #38 (page 18)
	One day during the period between Hector Ayalas arrest and trial.  Matt discourages Hectors wife from divorcing him.

Thor v2 #46
Thor v2 #47
Thor v2 #48
Thor v2 #49
Thor v2 #50/1			
Thor v2 #50/2
Thor v2 #51
	These issues occur over the course of a day, a hundred days before T2 53.  From here on out, Asgard floats over Manhattan, so placement of stories set in Manhattan around this time must consider the presence or absence of Asgard.  It is most likely that these issues occur after Thors appearance in A3 61, given his teleportation in that issue, and given the fact that Tarene starts to take over for Thor as earths defender in T2 46.  Spider-Man checks out the appearance of Asgard over Manhattan in T2 51.  Even though we see green grass and warm weather in New York, someone in issue #46 says that its February.  Ill go with the green and warmth.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 10-22)
	Jury selection for Hector Ayalas trial, probably on the last weekday before the Monday the trial starts  thus a Friday.  It may take several weeks for Ayalas case to go to trial.  The events of DD2 20-25 are referred to as having occurred last year.  Short-sleeve weather.

Daredevil v2 #39
	This issue occurs over the course of two days, starting the Monday after DD2 38 pg. 19-22.  Among the people appearing at Hector Ayalas trial are Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones.

Daredevil v2 #40
	The day after the end of DD2 39 (and thus a Wednesday).  The final day of Hectors trial, which ends with his death in front of the courthouse, with DD, Cage, and Iron Fist present.

Captain America v4 #1 (pages 21-32)
Captain America v4 #2
Captain America v4 #3						
	CA4 1-3 occur during one day.  CA4 1-3 are supposed to occur on Easter, seven months after CA4 1 pg. 1-20, but this, unfortunately, must be a topical reference.  Besides, why all the time between these issues and the Independence Day setting of CA4 4?  Its extremely unlikely that Cap would wait any more than a few days (never mind three months) to confront Fury about the SHIELD technology found on terrorists.  Cap unmasks on national television in CA4 3.  This story must occur after CA 01, in which Caps ID is still secret.  This revelation has also been placed after the revelation of Daredevils identity in DD2 32-33, as determined by Alias chronology.  It is four months before CA4 7.

Alias #16
	One day, I suppose.  Sean notes that Jessica meets with J. Jonah Jameson here.

Alias #17FB
	According to Sean, the sequence of flashbacks in this issue occur the same night as Alias #16.  Theres mention of Captain America revealing his identity and how its all over the TV.  Jessica hadnt heard about this, suggesting that the flashback occurs the same day as CA3 3.  A more detailed breakdown of this issue would help me place it with greater accuracy relative to CA3.

Alias #17
	The same night as the end of Alias 17-FB.  Jessica and Scott...together.

Alias #18
	The same night as Alias 17 and the next day.  Warbird calls Jessica from Avengers Mansion during the night portion, and Jessica stops by Matt Murdocks office the next day only to encounter a Tara Woods interview (see below).

Daredevil v2 #41
	One day.  The Owl is setting up shop as the new kingpin of crime in New York now that Wilson Fisk is out of the picture.  Jacket weather and green trees in Manhattan.  Crescent moon.

Daredevil v2 #42
	The day after DD2 41 and the day after that.  It is months after DD2 32.  Jessica Jones appears here on the second day in the Tara Woods interview also seen in Alias #18 (a detailed breakdown of Alias will help me sort out segments of DD2 41-42 and Alias 17-18 chronologically.  A judge will set a trial start date next week in the Murdock vs. Daily Globe case.  We see sweaters and jackets and bare trees in Manhattan and green grass and trees at Rosenthals place.

Captain America v4 #4
Captain America v4 #5
Captain America v4 #6
	CA4 4-6 occur on July 4" and July the fifth.  We see fireworks in Washington DC, but given the chronology of DD2 and Alias, it may be a Labor Day weekend celebration; the references to Independence Day are in the narration only, not in story dialog or visuals.  Its likely very shortly after CA4 1-3, given the urgency of the terrorists SHIELD technology. 

Iron Man v3 #53	
	One day.

Iron Man v3 #54 (beginning)
	Same day as IM3 53.  Pepper is hurt in this segment, so this segment must occur after her appearances in BP3 42-45.

Iron Man v3 #54 (end)
	One day, ten days after the beginning of IM3 54.

Iron Man v3 #55/1					
Iron Man v3 #55/2 (beginning)
	The first story in this issue occurs on the same day as the end of IM3 54 and leads into the beginning of the second story in this issue.

Iron Man v3 #55/2 (end)
	Tony Stark unmasks in IM3 55/2, probably following Caps lead.  IM3 55/2 ends about four days after it begins, as it is two weeks after the beginning of IM3 54.  If it makes sense for Daredevil to have unmasked before Iron Man, then DD2 32 occurs before now.

Iron Man v3 #56
Iron Man v3 #57
Iron Man v3 #58
	IM3 56-58 occur the night of the day after the end of the second story in IM3 55.  Theres a full moon.

Thor v2 #53
	One day, a hundred days after T2 51.  All this time, Asgard has been floating over Manhattan, and the reaction of Thors teammates in the Avengers is not seen until A3 63  a clue that suggests that the Asgard-over-Manhattan storyline occurs after A3 62.

Thor v2 #54
	One day.  Green grass and trees in Manhattan, over which Asgard still floats.

Thor v2 #55
	One day.  Green trees in Manhattan, over which Asgard still floats.
									Iron Man v3 #59
Iron Man v3 #60
Iron Man v3 #61
	IM 59-61occur during the course of one day.

Thor v2 #56
	One day, long enough after T2 55 for Creel to have been grabbin bad guys right and left for Thor.  Green trees in Ohio.

Thor v2 #57 FB
	One day, shortly before T2 57.  In this flashback, the moon is destroyed and worldwide cataclysms begin to beset Earth, but Thor restores the moon by summoning the Odinpower after denying it since he ascended the throne of Asgard.  In the aftermath, Thor plummets to Asgard and enters a light state of Odinsleep.

Thor v2 #57
	One day.  Volstagg tells the story featured in the flashback, which occurred recently.  Thor is still in his Odinsleep in Volstaggs house.

Captain America v4 #7 (pages 1-15)
	One day, four months after CA4 3, and three months since Steve decided to live in a neighborhood, not a mansion.  It is two days before CA4 7 pg. 16-23.  We see bare trees in Brooklyn and a blend of short sleeves and jackets.

Captain America v4 #7 (pages 16-23)
	One day, two days after CA4 7 pg. 1-15.

Captain America v4 #8
	Same day as CA4 7 pg. 16-23.  It is five years after the flashback in this issue.  Cap battles Barricade in Florida and is joined by old friend Inali Redpath.  We see autumn colors, falling leaves, and people wearing jackets in Washington, DC.

Iron Man v3 #62
Iron Man v3 #63
	These two issues occur one night during the Christmas season; we see holiday shopping, a store Santa, Christmas trees, an office holiday party, and snow.

Thor v2 #58
	One day, after IM3 63.  Long enough after T2 57 for Thor to recover.  Iron Man seems to have a problem with Thor taking out the Slokovian dictator here, but apparently this kind of action wasnt a problem for him previously in A3 59; perhaps the difference is that the Avengers had international sanction to take action but Thor does not.  Bare trees and coats in Slokovia.

Iron Man v3 #64
	Same day as T2 58. Iron Man faces off against Thor.  The green grass and trees in eastern Europe contradict the Christmas setting of IM3 63.

Avengers v3 #63
	Same day as IM3 64.  Cap puts an end to the Thor-Iron Man battle and diffuses the Slokovia incident, only to have Dr. Doom annex the country.  Thor leaves the Avengers in shame.

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Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
Posted by Andy Holcombe on February 05, 2003 at 09:30:27:
In Reply to: Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 07:29:13:

Iron Man (vol. 3) #55/2 (end) has to occur before Avengers (vol. 3) #57 since Stark addresses some world leaders in his Iron Man armor with his face visible during that Avengers arc.

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To be more specific...
Posted by Jeph! on February 05, 2003 at 14:01:38:
In Reply to: Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
posted by Andy Holcombe on February 05, 2003 at 09:30:27:

> Iron Man (vol. 3) #55/2 (end) has to occur before Avengers (vol. 3) #57 since Stark addresses some world leaders in his Iron Man armor with his face visible during that Avengers arc.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing.  To clarify:

Iron Man v3 #53-58 have to occur BEFORE Avengers v3 #56 (where the press has juuuust learned that Iron Man is Tony Stark), and AFTER Black Panther v3 #41-45, where Pepper Potts appears un-injured.

The Iron Man books end up taking about fifteen days, so if you'd like to START them JUST after BP3 #45, that's fine.  BP3 #46-47 take place in the past, and nobody knows how much time passed between BP3 #45 and #48-FBs.

Try this:

BP3 #41-45
(BP3 #46-47)
* IM3 #53-58
BP3 #48-FBs
*A3 #56
A3 #57-58
...

Other than that, Paul, it looks great.  And even though I find it hard to believe that future issues of Avengers will support a hundred-plus day gap between #62-63 (created by you to house the "hundred days" reference in Thor), placing a large gap there would solve the continuity problem in Black Panther #50-55 -- namely, that in his own book, T'Challa's been "presumed dead for months" -- and yet there's every likelihood that he'll show up in future issues of Avengers.

Placing the "presumed dead" arc of BP3 into the three-month-plus gap you created between A3 #62-63 would be perfect, and would still be able to account for the next time the Panther appears in Avengers -- it would be AFTER his "presumed dead" story arc in BP3.

And, hey, looks like we finally have our "unmasking order" -- Iron man first, then Daredevil, then finally Cap!

Although, Prof. X outing the school came before them all.  Nyaaaaah!  ;)

-Jeph!

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Re: To be more specific...
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 21:18:15:
In Reply to: To be more specific...
posted by Jeph! on February 05, 2003 at 14:01:38:

> Other than that, Paul, it looks great.  And even though I find it hard to believe that future issues of Avengers will support a hundred-plus day gap between #62-63 (created by you to house the "hundred days" reference in Thor), placing a large gap there would solve the continuity problem in Black Panther #50-55 -- namely, that in his own book, T'Challa's been "presumed dead for months" -- and yet there's every likelihood that he'll show up in future issues of Avengers.

> Placing the "presumed dead" arc of BP3 into the three-month-plus gap you created between A3 #62-63 would be perfect, and would still be able to account for the next time the Panther appears in Avengers -- it would be AFTER his "presumed dead" story arc in BP3.

I thought that it would be best if both long story arcs happened concurrently to save precious calendar time.  And all the clues finally came together to support the theory.  I remember how that hammer-spinning Thor scene from A3 61 flashed into my head...

By the way, I've placed five months between A3 62 (mid-July) and 63 (late December).  Given the DD calendar we worked out, the theory about CA3 1-6 around Labor Day, and the Christmas season of IM3 62-63, that's what I came up with.  More than enough time for "months" of missing Panther and a span of Thor that goes a fair bit longer than 100 days (remember that whole moon-shattering episode and the recovery, too).

> And, hey, looks like we finally have our "unmasking order" -- Iron man first, then Daredevil, then finally Cap!

Yup, sure looks that way.

Anyway, I'm posting my revised notes below, just to make sure I have things right.  Let me know if I'm on target now.  Thanks, guys!

Black Panther v3 #42 
	BP3 23 is referred to as having occurred last year. Full moon.

Black Panther v3 #43
	Sues not pregnant here...really.

Black Panther v3 #44 FB
Black Panther v3 #44
Black Panther v3 #45
	The story in BP3 41-45 occur over the course of a couple of days.  Black Panther and Iron Man accidentally put a large hole in the White House.  Placing that incident here would help justify Wasps pointing out the reconstruction in A3 57.  This issue occurs before the attack on Pepper in the first part of IM3 54.

Iron Man v3 #53	
	One day.

Iron Man v3 #54 (beginning)
	Same day as IM3 53.  Pepper is hurt in this segment, so this segment must occur after her appearances in BP3 42-45.

Iron Man v3 #54 (end)
	One day, ten days after the beginning of IM3 54.

Iron Man v3 #55/1					
Iron Man v3 #55/2 (beginning)
	The first story in this issue occurs on the same day as the end of IM3 54 and leads into the beginning of the second story in this issue.

Iron Man v3 #55/2 (end)
	IM3 55/2 ends about four days after it begins, as it is two weeks after the beginning of IM3 54.  Iron Mans identity is revealed here, so this story must occur before A3 56.

Iron Man v3 #56
Iron Man v3 #57
Iron Man v3 #58
	IM3 56-58 occur the night of the day after the end of the second story in IM3 55.  Theres a full moon.

Avengers v3 #56
	One day.  Stark has only recently revealed his identity, and it's not quite common knowledge yet, thus putting this shortly after IM3 55.  Thor is in the costume he was first seen wearing in T2 45, the events of T2 46-50 leave little room for gaps, and Thor brings Asgard to earth at the end of T2 50.  That memorable event should postdate A3 61.  So I place A3 56-62 between T2 45 and 46.

Black Panther v3 #46 
	It is shown that it is known that Thor has assumed the throne of Asgard, so BP3 41 must occur after the A3 56-FB.

Black Panther v3 #47 
	The Panther and company spend BP3 46-47 in the 1800s.

Black Panther v3 #48  FB #3
Black Panther v3 #48  FB #2
Black Panther v3 #48  FB #1
Black Panther v3 #48  FB #4
	These flashbacks occur on the day that the Panther and company return from the past, the week before BP3 48FB #5.  Given the placement of IM3 55/2 and 53-58 and A3 56 between BP2 45 and A3 57, the only way for only a week to exist between these flashbacks and FB #5 is for TChalla and crew to return to the present more than two weeks after the point they left the present.  TChallas future self collapses and must be returned to his chamber.

Avengers v3 #57
Avengers v3 #58					
	A3 57-58 occur over the course of two days.  In A3 57, we see White House reconstruction, probably following the Panther-Iron Man battle in BP3 45 (not necessarily Kang War destruction as implied).  Iron Man bares his face to world leaders in A3 57, which indicates that this story occurs after Iron Mans unmasking at the end of IM3 55/2. The Black Panther rejoins the Avengers, probably after BP3 47, since Gyrich is still with him.  Given that Scott Lang loses custody of his daughter in A3 62, and that continuity from A3 57 to A3 62 is fairly tight, A3 57 probably occurs after MDS 3/2.

Avengers v3 #59
	One day, enough days after A3 58 for the Avengers to round up seventeen would-be dictators.  Lord Thor appears here in the costume first seen in issue #45 of his own title.  Jack of Hearts enters the Zero Room at 3:32 AM and is supposed to stay in there for ten hours.  Green grass and trees in Virginia.

Avengers v3 #60
	Same day as A3 59 and the next day.  The Vision does not have the appearance he acquires in Vision 1-4, so this issue must occur before Vision #1.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #1
	One night, perhaps the same night as A3 60.  Green grass and trees in Queens.  The full moon may be topical.  It must be Monday.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #2
	Same night as AI:V 1 and the next day.  The second day is a Tuesday, and we see warm weather (judging by clothing) and green grass and trees at Penn State, where college is in session and was so the preceding week as well.  This is probably a summer session.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #3
	The same night as the end of AI:V 2.  It is a month since Gremlin arrived in the U.S.  Apparently Penn State students like to party on a Tuesday night.  Green grass and trees.  The full moon may be topical.

Avengers Icons: The Vision #4
	The same night as AI:V 3.  Green trees in Philadelphia and Queens.

Avengers v3 #61
	One day, perhaps the day after AI:V 4.  It is probably a couple of days after the end of A3 60, as news of the Avengers new status from the end of A3 60 is getting news coverage, and its hard to believe that Thor would stick around for long after A3 60.  During this period of a couple of days, Ant-Man hangs around Avengers Mansion; it is likely at this time that Carol Danvers gives Scott Lang the name and phone number of Jessica Jones, placing this issue probably just before Scotts first call to Jessica in Alias #13.  Thor (to whom Wasp refers as a king) leaves for Asgard, not by walking out the door and flying up to his floating kingdom, but through interdimensional teleportation; this suggests that A3 61 occurs before T2 46, the storyline that leads to Asgard over Manhattan.  The Vision has a new appearance here, resulting from his encounter with the Gremlin in AI:V 1-4, so enough time must pass between A3 60 and 61 for that miniseries to occur.  TChalla probably appears here before the death of his future self in BP3-FB #5.  It looks like Jack of Hearts has 8 hours and 14 minutes left of being locked in the Zero Room, but it cant be less than two hours after A3 59  this must be a different period of confinement from that begun in A3 59; indeed the ten-hour lock-down must occur each day, as revealed in A3 62.  Green grass and trees in Manhattan.

Black Panther v3 #48  FB #5
Black Panther v3 #49  FB #2
	These two flashbacks occur one one day during the week after the first four flashbacks in BP3 48, as noted by the narrative statement, next week.  A3 57-61 occupy that week nicely.  It must takes this long for Queen Divine Justice to decide to free MBaku.  TChallas future self is slain by MBaku.  This likely occurs after the Panthers appearance in A3 61, since he spends the three days after this brooding and then gives up his Panther identity in BP3 49.	

Black Panther v3 #48
Black Panther v3 #49
	 BP3 48-49 occur three days after the second flashback in BP3 49, during which time TChalla broods over the death of his future self.  TChalla gives up his Panther identity in BP3 49 and is missing and presumed dead during the months following BP3 49 and before BP3 52.

Alias #13
	I dont have this issue, but I believe Scott places his first phone call to Jessica Jones in this issue.  This may place this issue shortly after A3 61.

Alias #14
	Again, I dont have this issue, so I dont know how much time passes here or since issue #13.  As Sean notes, theres casual mention of Daredevils identity, but it sounds as if its still making headlines.  Murdock seems to hire Jessica as a bodyguard shortly after this issue.

Alias #15 ~ Daredevil v2 #36 (pages 5-13)
	From what I understand from Antonio, pages 2-10 of Alias #15 are synchronous with pages 5-13 of DD2 36. A more detailed accounting of Alias would be welcomed.  During their date in this issue, Scott Lang tells Jessica about his daughter, Cassie: She's my reason for everything. Seriously --I'd do anything for her. Don't know what my life would be like without her.  This indicates that this issue occurs before Scott loses custody of Cassie in A3 62. As for Daredevil, it is three weeks after DD2 36 pg. 1-4.		

Daredevil v2 #36 (pages 14-21)
Daredevil v2 #37
	These continue the same night as DD2 36 pg. 5-13 and the next couple of days.	

Avengers v3 #62				
	One day, sometime shortly after A3 61.  Pym concludes that Jack must stay in the containment room fourteen hours a day instead of ten, and he notes that Jack spent the last few years in space.  Scott Lang loses his daughter in a custody hearing (it must be a weekday), so this issue must occur after Alias 15, in which he tells Jessica that he doesnt know what his life would be like without Cassie.  Ant-Man officially joins the Avengers in this issue.  The Black Panther is not seen in this issue.  Green grass and trees in Manhattan.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 1-6)
	One night.  The original White Tiger (Hector Ayala) comes out of retirement and stops a robbery, only to be fingered as a cop killer.  DD3 39 refers to this event as having occurred July 19th.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 7-9)
	The night of the day after DD2 38 pg. 1-6 (and so July 20).  Luke Cage and Iron Fist convince Matt Murdock to represent Hector Ayala.  Full moon.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 10-12)
	The day after DD2 38 pg. 7-9 (and so July 21).  Matt Murdock visits Hector Ayala at Rykers and takes his case.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 13-17)
	The night of the day after DD2 38 pg. 10-12 (and so July 22).  Luke Cage and Iron Fist gather some information on the Ayala case while on the phone with Matt.

Daredevil v2 #38 (page 18)
	One day during the period between Hector Ayalas arrest and trial.  Matt discourages Hectors wife from divorcing him.

Thor v2 #46
Thor v2 #47
Thor v2 #48
Thor v2 #49
Thor v2 #50/1			
Thor v2 #50/2
Thor v2 #51
	These issues occur over the course of a day, a hundred days before T2 53.  From here on out, Asgard floats over Manhattan, so placement of stories set in Manhattan around this time must consider the presence or absence of Asgard.  It is most likely that these issues occur after Thors appearance in A3 61, given his teleportation in that issue, and given the fact that Tarene starts to take over for Thor as earths defender in T2 46.  Spider-Man checks out the appearance of Asgard over Manhattan in T2 51.  Even though we see green grass and warm weather in New York, someone in issue #46 says that its February.  Ill go with the green and warmth.

Daredevil v2 #38 (pages 10-22)
	Jury selection for Hector Ayalas trial, probably on the last weekday before the Monday the trial starts  thus a Friday.  It may take several weeks for Ayalas case to go to trial.  The events of DD2 20-25 are referred to as having occurred last year.  Short-sleeve weather.

Daredevil v2 #39
	This issue occurs over the course of two days, starting the Monday after DD2 38 pg. 19-22.  Among the people appearing at Hector Ayalas trial are Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones.

Daredevil v2 #40
	The day after the end of DD2 39 (and thus a Wednesday).  The final day of Hectors trial, which ends with his death in front of the courthouse, with DD, Cage, and Iron Fist present.

Captain America v4 #1 (pages 21-32)
Captain America v4 #2
Captain America v4 #3
	CA4 1-3 occur during one day.  CA4 1-3 are supposed to occur on Easter, seven months after CA4 1 pg. 1-20, but this, unfortunately, must be a topical reference.  Besides, why all the time between these issues and the Independence Day setting of CA4 4?  Its extremely unlikely that Cap would wait any more than a few days (never mind three months) to confront Fury about the SHIELD technology found on terrorists.  Cap unmasks on national television in CA4 3.  This story must occur after CA 01, in which Caps ID is still secret.  This revelation has also been placed after the revelation of Daredevils identity in DD2 32-33, as determined by Alias chronology.  It is four months before CA4 7.

Alias #16
	One day, I suppose.  Sean notes that Jessica meets with J. Jonah Jameson here.

Alias #17FB
	According to Sean, the sequence of flashbacks in this issue occur the same night as Alias #16.  Theres mention of Captain America revealing his identity and how its all over the TV.  Jessica hadnt heard about this, suggesting that the flashback occurs the same day as CA3 3.  A more detailed breakdown of this issue would help me place it with greater accuracy relative to CA3.

Alias #17
	The same night as the end of Alias 17-FB.  Jessica and Scott...together.

Alias #18
	The same night as Alias 17 and the next day.  Warbird calls Jessica from Avengers Mansion during the night portion, and Jessica stops by Matt Murdocks office the next day only to encounter a Tara Woods interview (see below).

Daredevil v2 #41
	One day.  The Owl is setting up shop as the new kingpin of crime in New York now that Wilson Fisk is out of the picture.  Jacket weather and green trees in Manhattan.  Crescent moon.

Daredevil v2 #42
	The day after DD2 41 and the day after that.  It is months after DD2 32.  Jessica Jones appears here on the second day in the Tara Woods interview also seen in Alias #18 (a detailed breakdown of Alias will help me sort out segments of DD2 41-42 and Alias 17-18 chronologically.  A judge will set a trial start date next week in the Murdock vs. Daily Globe case.  We see sweaters and jackets and bare trees in Manhattan and green grass and trees at Rosenthals place.

Captain America v4 #4
Captain America v4 #5
Captain America v4 #6
	CA4 4-6 occur on July 4" and July the fifth.  We see fireworks in Washington DC, but given the chronology of DD2 and Alias, it may be a Labor Day weekend celebration; the references to Independence Day are in the narration only, not in story dialog or visuals.  Its likely very shortly after CA4 1-3, given the urgency of the terrorists SHIELD technology. 

Thor v2 #53
	One day, a hundred days after T2 51.  All this time, Asgard has been floating over Manhattan, and the reaction of Thors teammates in the Avengers is not seen until A3 63  a clue that suggests that the Asgard-over-Manhattan storyline occurs after A3 62.

Thor v2 #54
	One day.  Green grass and trees in Manhattan, over which Asgard still floats.

Thor v2 #55
	One day.  Green trees in Manhattan, over which Asgard still floats.

Iron Man v3 #59
Iron Man v3 #60
Iron Man v3 #61
	IM 59-61occur during the course of one day.

Thor v2 #56
	One day, long enough after T2 55 for Creel to have been grabbin bad guys right and left for Thor.  Green trees in Ohio.

Thor v2 #57 FB
	One day, shortly before T2 57.  In this flashback, the moon is destroyed and worldwide cataclysms begin to beset Earth, but Thor restores the moon by summoning the Odinpower after denying it since he ascended the throne of Asgard.  In the aftermath, Thor plummets to Asgard and enters a light state of Odinsleep.

Thor v2 #57
	One day.  Volstagg tells the story featured in the flashback, which occurred recently.  Thor is still in his Odinsleep in Volstaggs house.

Captain America v4 #7 (pages 1-15)
	One day, four months after CA4 3, and three months since Steve decided to live in a neighborhood, not a mansion.  It is two days before CA4 7 pg. 16-23.  We see bare trees in Brooklyn and a blend of short sleeves and jackets.

Captain America v4 #7 (pages 16-23)
	One day, two days after CA4 7 pg. 1-15.

Captain America v4 #8
	Same day as CA4 7 pg. 16-23.  It is five years after the flashback in this issue.  Cap battles Barricade in Florida and is joined by old friend Inali Redpath.  We see autumn colors, falling leaves, and people wearing jackets in Washington, DC.

Iron Man v3 #62
Iron Man v3 #63
	These two issues occur one night during the Christmas season; we see holiday shopping, a store Santa, Christmas trees, an office holiday party, and snow.

Thor v2 #58
	One day, after IM3 63.  Long enough after T2 57 for Thor to recover.  Iron Man seems to have a problem with Thor taking out the Slokovian dictator here, but apparently this kind of action wasnt a problem for him previously in A3 59; perhaps the difference is that the Avengers had international sanction to take action but Thor does not.  Bare trees and coats in Slokovia.

Iron Man v3 #64
	Same day as T2 58. Iron Man faces off against Thor.  The green grass and trees in eastern Europe contradict the Christmas setting of IM3 63.

Avengers v3 #63
	Same day as IM3 64.  Cap puts an end to the Thor-Iron Man battle and diffuses the Slokovia incident, only to have Dr. Doom annex the country.  Thor leaves the Avengers in shame.

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Re: To be more specific...
Posted by Antonio Gavio on February 05, 2003 at 22:40:37:
In Reply to: To be more specific...
posted by Jeph! on February 05, 2003 at 14:01:38:

> Other than that, Paul, it looks great.  And even though I find it hard to believe that future issues of Avengers will support a hundred-plus day gap between #62-63 (created by you to house the "hundred days" reference in Thor), placing a large gap there would solve the continuity problem in Black Panther #50-55 -- namely, that in his own book, T'Challa's been "presumed dead for months" -- and yet there's every likelihood that he'll show up in future issues of Avengers.

> Placing the "presumed dead" arc of BP3 into the three-month-plus gap you created between A3 #62-63 would be perfect, and would still be able to account for the next time the Panther appears in Avengers -- it would be AFTER his "presumed dead" story arc in BP3.

The gap between A3 62-63 is actually not totally just Paul's creation to house the "hundred days" reference in Thor; in fact, in T2 58, wich happens shortly before A3 63, Thor receives Iron Man in Asgard by saying: "Welcome, old friend. It has been too long since last we met". So there you have your support for a hundred-plus day gap between #62-63 of Avengers.

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Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
Posted by Kevin  on February 05, 2003 at 14:37:38:
In Reply to: Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 07:29:13:

In another post, Paul B. said this:

"This may not be an issue from the standpoint of relative chronology (as I don't think there are any references to Cap's ID being known in Avengers up through A3 62). However, it does pose challenges for a calendar. CA3 4 is supposed to occur on July 4. That pushes the whole DD-unmasking storyline to June and earlier. Now this does make Kevin's original calendar for DD valid (based on the April 18 date shown in DD2 32). But it does shove that storyline back into the Kang War...unless major readjustments to the calendar can make it all fit. (Ugh!) In any case, there's still no way CA4 1 occurs on Easter; that would force everything through A3 62 and the DD-unmasking story back to April and earlier, and that would be extremely difficult to schedule -- other temporal clues would have to be discounted."

I can't tell from going through this DD/Alias/Avengers/Thor/Cap/Panter calender you've created:  Did the DD2 #26-37 get pushed back into the Kang War or not?  Cause even if it did, I suspect we could find a way to work around it.  

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Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 20:38:42:
In Reply to: Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
posted by Kevin  on February 05, 2003 at 14:37:38:

> I can't tell from going through this DD/Alias/Avengers/Thor/Cap/Panter calender you've created:  Did the DD2 #26-37 get pushed back into the Kang War or not?  Cause even if it did, I suspect we could find a way to work around it.  

If my placing CA4 1-6 around Labor Day instead of Easter/July 4 stands up to reasoning, then the DD calendar we worked out should work fine --with DD2 26-37 running mostly from May to July and DD2 38, as noted, picking up in July --avoiding overlap with the Kang War.

I really have to start piecing all this together now, so I can unveil the complete calendar.  Not an easy task...

Paul

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Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
Posted by Kevin  on February 06, 2003 at 13:52:22:
In Reply to: Re: From DD-Alias to Avengers-Thor-Cap-Panther etc.
posted by Paul Bourcier on February 05, 2003 at 20:38:42:

> If my placing CA4 1-6 around Labor Day instead of Easter/July 4 stands up to reasoning, then the DD calendar we worked out should work fine --with DD2 26-37 running mostly from May to July and DD2 38, as noted, picking up in July --avoiding overlap with the Kang War.

> I really have to start piecing all this together now, so I can unveil the complete calendar.  Not an easy task...

True, but we'll help if we can.  I myself actually loose focus once we start trying to piece together the bigger picture.  For instance, I remember that the whole "Hank Pym's costume debate" nearly blew my mind. But I think a calender can be helpful, (and fun!) so don't dispair.

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The Ultimate universe
Posted by Paul O'Brien on February 06, 2003 at 08:18:54:

Obviously the Ultimate universe is beyond the MCP's scope at the moment, but it occurs to me that since it's clearly going to be around for the forseeable future, it would be useful for it to have its own chronology.  And with only around 100 or so Ultimate comics in total as of yet (if that), this would be a good time to start work.

Is there any interest on covering this within the context of the MCP, a la the separate pages for Killraven or 2099?  Or since it's a separate continuity rather than a parallel world, should this be treated as a completely new Chronology Project?  (The UCP?)

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Kevin  on February 06, 2003 at 13:47:09:
In Reply to: The Ultimate universe
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 06, 2003 at 08:18:54:

> Obviously the Ultimate universe is beyond the MCP's scope at the moment, but it occurs to me that since it's clearly going to be around for the forseeable future, it would be useful for it to have its own chronology.  And with only around 100 or so Ultimate comics in total as of yet (if that), this would be a good time to start work.

> Is there any interest on covering this within the context of the MCP, a la the separate pages for Killraven or 2099?  Or since it's a separate continuity rather than a parallel world, should this be treated as a completely new Chronology Project?  (The UCP?)

Well, I suspect it would be different from the bulk of the MCP...in other words, it would probably have to go on a subpage, like the 2099 or Killraven stuff.  

But you're right, if someone were to do it, they better get on the ball now and start, while that universe is young.

Hmmm...The Squadron Supreme exist in an alternate universe, but are a part of the MCP cause they have interacted with the rest of the Marvel Universe.  What happens the first time Marvel does a Ultimate universe vs. Marvel universe team up book?  Something like Ultimate Spidey vs. Regular Spidey? (You know, I suspect Marvel's plotting to do that someday...)

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Paul O'Brien on February 06, 2003 at 14:09:40:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate universe
posted by Kevin  on February 06, 2003 at 13:47:09:

> Hmmm...The Squadron Supreme exist in an alternate universe, but are a part of the MCP cause they have interacted with the rest of the Marvel Universe.  What happens the first time Marvel does a Ultimate universe vs. Marvel universe team up book?  Something like Ultimate Spidey vs. Regular Spidey? (You know, I suspect Marvel's plotting to do that someday...)

I think the distinction is that the Squadron Supreme debuted in an alternate reality in Avengers, a Marvel Universe title - thus positioning their world as part of the "Marvel Universe" in the wider sense.

A one-off crossover between the Ultimate and mainstream Marvel continuities, to my mind, would be equivalent to the DC crossovers - that is, you can get there from here, but it's still a separate continuity.  There's a precedent for importing a sub-continuity wholesale into the Marvel Universe, of course, in the shape of the New Universe - but it'd take a fair amount of work for the Ultimate books to achieve that.

Since none of the Ultimate books at the moment even seem remotely interested in interdimensional travel, I wouldn't view it as a likely problem for the forseeable future.

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 06, 2003 at 14:32:17:
In Reply to: The Ultimate universe
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 06, 2003 at 08:18:54:

Paul O'Brien spake:

> with only around 100 or so Ultimate comics in total as of yet (if that), this would be a good time to start work.

I agree.  The longer it is delayed, the more catch-up work there'll be.

> Is there any interest on covering this within the context of the MCP, a la the separate pages for Killraven or 2099?

I've never read any Ultimate books and have zero interest in them, so I'm certainly no authority on them.  That said, if there is enough interest and the Administrator is so inclined, a page of their own would be sufficient.

> Or since it's a separate continuity rather than a parallel world, should this be treated as a completely new Chronology Project? (The UCP?)

The "M" in MCP stands for the Marvel Universe, as oppossed to Marvel as a publisher.  However, these books feature variations of old guard Marvel characters.  I don't see any need for a separate project; they can just be treated as another reality because there is always the potential for Marvel to do a crossover some day.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Administrator on February 06, 2003 at 14:36:09:
In Reply to: The Ultimate universe
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 06, 2003 at 08:18:54:

I say let's go for it.

It should be on a separate page, and someone else would have to compile it, as the only Ultimate I have is the Spidey book from last year's free comic day.

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Dimadick on February 07, 2003 at 12:04:55:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate universe
posted by Administrator on February 06, 2003 at 14:36:09:

> I say let's go for it.

> It should be on a separate page, and someone else would have to compile it, as the only Ultimate I have is the Spidey book from last year's free comic day.

You might find the following link helpful. "Uncanny X-men.net" which tries to deal with all versions of the X-Men has pages for all 27 issues of Ultimate X-Men.

The page for each issue includes:
1)Issue Dates(The Month of release mentioned in the issue).
2)Story Titles.
3)Staff(the creators of the issue).
4)Brief Description(A summary of the issue).
5)Fyll Synopsis of the issue
6)Character Analysis(Identifying appearing characters).
7)Explanatory Notes(Including chronology notes where needed).

See if it is of any use to you:

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showfaq.asp?fldAuto=16

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Kevin  on February 08, 2003 at 09:51:10:
In Reply to: The Ultimate universe
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 06, 2003 at 08:18:54:

> Obviously the Ultimate universe is beyond the MCP's scope at the moment, but it occurs to me that since it's clearly going to be around for the forseeable future, it would be useful for it to have its own chronology.  And with only around 100 or so Ultimate comics in total as of yet (if that), this would be a good time to start work.

By the way, out of curiousity, just how many Ultimate Titles and Issues have there been by now in the Ultimate Universe?

Me, I don't follow that branch, cause it just didn't appeal to me at the time, but I bet you're right: it's less than 100 still.

That would make it simple to chronologize, one would think.

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Paul O'Brien on February 08, 2003 at 14:46:46:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate universe
posted by Kevin  on February 08, 2003 at 09:51:10:

> By the way, out of curiousity, just how many Ultimate Titles and Issues have there been by now in the Ultimate Universe?

Ultimate Spider-Man is up to issue #36.  Ultimate X-Men, something around issue #28, from memory.  Ultimates hasn't reached issue #10 yet.  Ultimate Marvel Team-Up made it up to around issue #20 or thereabouts.  Plus, there's three miniseries: Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra (four issues), Ultimate War (four issues, in progress) and Ultimate Adventures (however many they decide to publish, but I can't see it sticking around).  And the Ultimate Spider-Man one-shot which capped off Marvel Team-Up.

Seems to me that the sensible place to start is with Spider-Man.  He's been the main character in two out of the Ultimate Universe's four ongoing titles.  So if we have the timeline straight for Ultimate Spider-Man, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to fit in Ultimate Marvel Team-Up around it.  The other two books are relatively freestanding and it's largely a matter of working them around those characters' appearances in Spider-Man and Team-Up.

I think I'll make a start on analysing Ultimate Spider-Man and see where that leads me.

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Jason Doty on February 08, 2003 at 20:54:16:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate universe
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 08, 2003 at 14:46:46:

I already started Sider-man, check it out.

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Paul O'Brien on February 09, 2003 at 16:28:00:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate universe
posted by Jason Doty on February 08, 2003 at 20:54:16:

> I already started Sider-man, check it out.

Yeah, I saw - good start!

Russ generally looks for more detailed chronology info before adding things to the MCP - have a look at the FAQ page and you'll see the sort of thing I mean.  It's mainly for cross-referencing and timeline purposes and so forth.

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Kevin  on February 10, 2003 at 08:24:00:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate universe
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 09, 2003 at 16:28:00:

> > I already started Sider-man, check it out.

> Yeah, I saw - good start!

> Russ generally looks for more detailed chronology info before adding things to the MCP - have a look at the FAQ page and you'll see the sort of thing I mean.  It's mainly for cross-referencing and timeline purposes and so forth.

Actually, I just checked, and the info about "how to contribute" is on the Closing the Gap page.  It probably should be on the FAQ page though...

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 11, 2003 at 18:32:36:
In Reply to: The Ultimate universe
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 06, 2003 at 08:18:54:

Hi, guys.

I just posted an issue timeline for the Ultimateverse a few threads up. Take a look and let me know what you think.

Best,
Jimmy

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Re: The Ultimate universe
Posted by Kevin  on February 12, 2003 at 08:36:12:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultimate universe
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 11, 2003 at 18:32:36:

The likely answer you're going to get from most of us, (me included) is "I don't know anything about the Ultimate Universe" ...Still, it looks like you and Jason Doty are off to a good start.  I'm sure there are other Ultimate Universe readers lurking on this board though who can offer advice.  I think Paul O'Brien is working on some stuff for the Ultimate Universe as well.

In other words: Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

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The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks.
Posted by Jeph! on February 07, 2003 at 02:21:57:

It's always been my opinion that the Marvel/Ultraverse crossovers of '95-'96 ARE canon, even though I recall several debates on this board that ended inconclusively.

Imagine my surprise when I noticed that we ALREADY list some Ultraverse books on the MCP!  Notably, the "All-New Exiles" series and "Exiles vs. X-Men" and "Silver Surfer/Rune" one-shots.  Apparently they've been there for a while, too, as I can't seem to find them on the Updates page.

So, does this settle our debate?  Russ, have you decided that the Ultraverse books ARE canon?

If so, I'd immediately like to begin my nitpicking.  ;)

"Exiles vs. the X-Men".  "EXVX" for short.  First off, a little background on this:

The set-up is that the Juggernaut had previously been sucked into the Ultraverse, and the X-Men investigate, and end up making their own way there.  They fight a demon, the X-Men go home, the Juggernaut stays behind.  Simple enough.

Now, in the X-books, Juggernaut was banished to the Ultraverse in W2 #93 (which Russ has placed directly after UX #325 in Wolvie's timeline).  He returned to the Marvel Universe in UX #333.

That gives us a timeframe of between UX #325-333 to place the EXVX one-shot.  Now, the problem is that Rogue features in the one-shot, and she is -- essentially -- off the team from UX #322-336, the entire time the Juggernaut is in the Ultraverse.

UX #322 to X #45 feature a subplot where Rogue, who has left the team because of some disturbing memories she absorbed from kissing Gambit in X #41, drives across the country with Iceman to Seattle.  In UX #325 she calls Gambit from the road -- and in X #45, Gambit and Rogue meet in a decrepit theatre in Seattle, and talk.  The issue ends with Rogue saying that she's leaving the X-Men for a time, and flying away.  We don't see her again until XU #11, and she doesn't meet up with the X-Men again until "Onslaught" and X #56.

The beginning of this subplot is categorically BEFORE Juggernaut is sucked into the Ultraverse, so we can't try to sneak EXVX in BEFORE Rogue kisses Gambit and runs off.  Likewise, Juggy returns BEFORE Onslaught, so we can't place EXVX after Rogue's return to the team.  And from the way the books read, Rogue doesn't make any quick stops at the mansion to say "hi" during this time-frame.

So, in order to make Rogue's appearance in EXVX make any sense, we need to fudge things.  We need to read X #45 to mean, yes, Rogue's leaving the team, and she's doing it ASAP, but she's stopping back at the mansion for clothes or something first.  Which can be when she gets reluctantly drafted to help look for the Juggernaut.

UX #326 makes it plain that Rogue has left the team, and is not coming back in the forseeable future.  If we're to place EXVX, we need to place it DIRECTLY after X #45, and before UX #326.  UX #326 can then be read to mean that, "after the team's adventure in the Ultraverse", Rogue took off, and won't be coming back.

Now, the MCP currently has EXVX *after* UX #326 -- as well as after XU #8, which takes place over a considerable period of time (several weeks).  The implication from this placing is that Rogue left the team (X #45) and indicated that she wouldn't be back (UX #326), then mysteriously showed up weeks later (after XU #8) to help out (EXVX) -- then vanished again.  Without anybody making comments about how weird that was, either in the regular X-books or in EXVX itself.

That doesn't wash.  I recommend moving EXVX back to JUST after X #45 -- possibly only a day or two after the ending, where Rogue flies off.  Yes, ANY placement is going to be awkward, but placing it BEFORE the scene in UX #326 where Storm confirms that Rogue is gone for good would do wonders for streamlining Rogue's continuity.

While I'm at it, I might as well tackle the "Phoenix Resurrection" ("PR") crossover event, which again featured the X-Men travelling to the Ultraverse -- and once again featured Rogue.  Which means we need to keep Rogue around the X-Mansion for ONE MORE trip to the Ultraverse.

Now, according to Juggernaut's continuity, EXVX occured between "Exiles" #1-2, and the PR issues occured between "Exiles" #2-3.  I don't own any Exiles issues, so I don't know how much time passed in #2 -- but we can assume that it wasn't very much.

Can we assume that, from the X-Men's viewpoint, the PR issues took place the DAY AFTER the EXVX one-shot?  That Rogue, possibly, had one foot out the door when the X-Men were swept up on their second and final Ultraverse adventure -- and that she left immediately following the story's finish?

Really, there's no other good way to explain Rogue's presence in both of these stories (EXVX and PR), other than to claim that the Ultraverse isn't canon -- and, from Russ' inclusions, I think we can assume that it IS.

So -- yeah -- my recommendation is to move EXVX back to  immediately after X #45, and to (eventually) slot in the PR crossover immediately after THAT -- all three issues to be placed before UX #326.

Thoughts, anyone?

-Jeph!

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Re: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks.
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 07, 2003 at 11:05:18:
In Reply to: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks.
posted by Jeph! on February 07, 2003 at 02:21:57:

I don't know whether it is relevant to anything, but I seem to recall discussion on rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe some time back where readers wanted Kurt Busiek to use Ultraverse characters in Avengers.  IIRC, he said that there were unresolved issues regarding those characters and he didn't want to step on any toes.  I think that the issues related to creators' rights and not Marvel's ownership of the characters/universe.  Take that for whatever it's worth.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks.
Posted by Administrator on February 07, 2003 at 16:20:56: 
In Reply to: Re: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks. 
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 07, 2003 at 11:05:18: 

My Memory: Kurt's concern was over whether the original creators were getting paid for the creations (I don't recall if they were talking about being paid for the Ultraverse stories, or being paid for any potential appearances within Avengers). Kurt didn't want to use the characters, if the creators were getting stiffed. 

I don't think Kurt's concern was over canonocity. 

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Re: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks.
Posted by Administrator on February 07, 2003 at 16:27:21:
In Reply to: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks.
posted by Jeph! on February 07, 2003 at 02:21:57:

> So, does this settle our debate?  Russ, have you decided that the Ultraverse books ARE canon?

The Silver Surfer/Rune book has been here since its publication. I think Exiles was added about a year ago.

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Re: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks.
Posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 01:18:05:
In Reply to: Re: The Ultraverse, and placing nitpicks. posted by Administrator on February 07, 2003 at 16:27:21:

> > So, does this settle our debate? Russ, have you decided that the Ultraverse books ARE canon?

> The Silver Surfer/Rune book has been here since its publication. I think Exiles was added about a year ago.

I guess that's pretty definitive. Thanks.

-Jeph! 

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LIFEFORCE...LOCUST...LOKI
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 07, 2003 at 18:41:51:

new entries marked **

LIFEFORCE
W2 93
**W2 94
W2 95

LOCUST  (Name:Dr. August Hopper (UX 24)
UX 24
H2 194
**XF 52

LOKI [ASGARDIAN]
JIM 112/2
JIM 113/2
JIM 115/2
**T 402/2
**T 403/2 
(T:G 1 moved to later in chronology)
JIM 100/2
JIM 101/2
T2 1-FB
++T:G 1  ((Thor comments in T:G 1 that it is only recently that I have won stewardship of Mjolnir. As his achievement of that goal in shown through JIM 100/2, 101/2 and 102/2, this entry should be moved later in the chronology than currently placed)
JIM 107/2
DF 2.4
DF 3.6
**T@ 1   (Placement: In DF  2.4 Thor is still in his late teens and here he appears a full-grown man. And Both Zeus and Hercules chronologies place T@ 1 before T@ 5 )
**T@ 8 (Placement: Thor recalls the events of T@ 1, so definitely after  that. Because of Thors remembrance I positioned it before T@ 5 at which time Thor seems to have forgotten that he has met Zeus and Hercules before. I guess this was one of those world-famous mind zaps Odin was so good at.  Occurs during the Trojan war.
**T@ 5 (roughly following where it is placed in Thors chronology)
**T 401  (okay Im guessing here. Story takes place roughly 1000AD)

JIM 111/2
JIM 116/2

..  ..  ..  ..  ..

T 400/4
**T@ 14/4 
VENUS 6

Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 

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RED SKULL
Posted by CA on February 08, 2003 at 12:52:40:

I have some questions.

1. The Red Skull is listed on the MCP as appearing in YOUNG ALLIES 1&4, cAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 37, ALL WINNERS 12 & ALL SELECT 2. I have read that in some of these stories (such as YOUNG ALLIES 1) the Skull is an imposter. Which of the above issues contain the real Skull and which ones do not?

2. Have any of the above listed issues, or even Red Skull stories been reprinted anywhere? 

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Re: RED SKULL
Posted by Russ Chappell on February 08, 2003 at 13:45:11:
In Reply to: RED SKULL
posted by CA on February 08, 2003 at 12:52:40:

> 1. The Red Skull is listed on the MCP as appearing in YOUNG ALLIES 1&4, cAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 37, ALL WINNERS 12 & ALL SELECT 2. I have read that in some of these stories (such as YOUNG ALLIES 1) the Skull is an imposter. 

Are you sure? One of the editions of the Marvel Handbook postulated that the Skull shown in Young Allies #1 *may* have been an imposter, but has that been confirmed?

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Re: RED SKULL
Posted by Ron Flick on February 08, 2003 at 17:19:38:
In Reply to: Re: RED SKULL
posted by Russ Chappell on February 08, 2003 at 13:45:11:

I am a huge fan of Golden Age Cap and the Red Skull, but have never seen this issue.  I am hoping to purchase a reprint copy sometime in the near future.  In my research, it has never been confirmed whether this is the true Red Skull or not.  George Olshevsky dodged the issue in the synopsis of his Captain America handbook.

If the Skull is an imposter, I don't think it could be the original imposter known as Maxon.  Everyone, I believe, agrees he died after only two appearances.

I will post my opinion once I get a copy.

Ron (Spirit of 76) Flick

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Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jason M. Doty on February 08, 2003 at 15:20:45:

After reading the message by Jeph. I decided to take on the task of chronolizing the Ultimate Universe. This is my first attempt. If there are any corrections,feel free to note them. I was hoping Russ would start a sepperate page like he did with the 2099 and Killraven pages. If he could do this, I would submit at least once a month. First, on the posting board and then he could transfer to the page after corrections. This post includes Ultimate Spider-man 1-32 and Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 1-5. I'll do Ultimate X-Men and the Ultimates next weekend. Following that I'll do the rest of Ultimate Marvel Team-Up, Ultimate Adventures, Ultimate Daredevel & Electra, Ultimate War, and the Ultimate 1/2's. Here's part I:

Allen, Elizabeth "Liz"
USM 1
USM 3
USM 4
USM 6
USM 7
USM 8
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
USM 14
USM 15
USM 17
USM 19

Bradley, Dr. Unknown
USM 11
USM 23
USM 24

Brant, Betty
USM 8
USM 16
USM 19
USM 29

Brooke, Unknown (assistant to Harry Osborn)
USM 22
USM 24

Carter, Agent. Sharon
USM 16
USM 18
USM 20

DeWolfe, Capt. Jean
USM 31
USM 32

Electro/ Unknown
USM 10
USM 11
USM 12

Fancy Dan/ Unknown, Dan
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
USM 12

Fury, Col. Nicholas "Nick"
UMTU 4-bts
UMTU 5
USM 16-bts
USM 18-bts
USM 21-bts
USM 23-bts
USM 24
USM 25-bts
USM 26
USM 27
USM 31-bts

Doctor Octopus/ Dr. Octavius, Otto
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 14
USM 15
USM 16
USM 17
USM 18
USM 19
USM 20
USM 21

Giant Man/ Dr. Pym, Henry "Hank"
USM 14

Golog, Unknown (Latvarian official)
UMTU 4
UMTU 5

Green Goblin/ Osborn, Harry
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5
USM 6
USM 7
USM 22
USM 23
USM 24
USM 25
USM 26
USM 27

Hammer, Justin (deceased)
USM 16
USM 17
USM 18
USM 19
USM 20
USM 21

Hulk/ Banner, Robert "Bruce"
UMTU 2
UMTU 3

Iron Man/ Stark, Anthony "Tony"
UMTU 5 (f/b)
UMTU 4
UMTU 5
USM 28

Jameson, J. Jonah
USM 6
USM 8
USM 9
USM 12
UMTU 2
USM 15
USM 16
USM 20
USM 29

Kingpin/ Fisk, Wilson
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
USM 12

Kraven the Hunter/ Unknown
USM 16
USM 17
USM 19
USM 20
USM 21

Montana/ Unknown, Joe
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
USM 12

Mr. Big/ Unknown (deceased)
USM 9
USM 10

Osborn II, Harry
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5
USM 6
USM 7
USM 22
USM 23
USM 24
USM 25
USM 26
USM 27

Osborn, Martha (deceased)
USM 1-bts
USM 5

Ox/ Unknown
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
USM 12

Parker, Benjamin "Ben" (deceased)
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5 (f/b)

Parker, May
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5 (f/b)
USM 5
USM 6
USM 7
USM 8
USM 10
USM 13
USM 18
USM 19
USM 21
USM 22
USM 23
USM 24
USM 28
USM 29
USM 30
USM 31
USM 32

Rhino/ Unknown
USM 28

Robertson, Joe "Robbie"
USM 6
USM 8
USM 12-bts
UMTU 2
USM 15
USM 16
USM 20
USM 29

Rhodes, James "Jim"
UMTU 4

Ross, Gen. Unknown
UMTU 2-bts
UMTU 3

Sabretooth/ Creed, Victor
UMTU 1

Sandman/ Marko, Flint
USM 17

Shocker/ Unknown
USM 8

Skrtic, Dr. John (deceased)
USM 17
USM 19

Spider-man/ Parker, Peter
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5
USM 6
USM 7
UMTU 1
USM 8
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
USM 12
UMTU 2
UMTU 3
USM 13
UMTU 4
UMTU 5
USM 14
USM 15
USM 16
USM 17
USM 18
USM 19
USM 20
USM 21
USM 22
USM 23
USM 24
USM 25
USM 26
USM 27
USM 28
USM 29
USM 30
USM 31
USM 32

Spider-man Imposter/ Unknown
USM 29
USM 30-bts
USM 31
USM 32

Stacy, Capt. John (deceased)
USM 5
USM 14
USM 15
USM 16
USM 23
USM 29
USM 31

Stacy, Gwendolyn "Gwen"
USM 14
USM 15
USM 16
USM 17
USM 18
USM 19
USM 22
USM 23
USM 28
USM 29
USM 31
USM 32

Thompson, Harlan "Flash"
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5
USM 6
USM 7
USM 8
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
UMTU 4
USM 14
USM 15
USM 16
USM 18
USM 19
USM 22
USM 28
USM 31

Unnamed Robber (killed Ben Parker)
USM 4
USM 5(f/b)
USM 5

Unknown, Clifford "King Kong"
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5
USM 6
USM 7
USM 8
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
UMTU 4
USM 14
USM 15
USM 16
USM 17
USM 18
USM 19
USM 22
USM 28
USM 31

Unknown, Justin (deceased) (assistant to Harry Osborn)
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4

Urich, Ben
USM 6
USM 8
USM 12
UMTU 2
USM 14
USM 15
USM 16
USM 17
USM 20-bts
USM 21
USM 29
USM 31

Wasp/ Van Dyne, Janet
USM 31

Watson, Mary Jane "MJ"
USM 1
USM 2
USM 3
USM 4
USM 5
USM 6
USM 7
USM 9
USM 10
USM 11
USM 12
USM 13
USM 14
USM 16
USM 17
USM 18
USM 19
USM 20
USM 21
USM 22
USM 23
USM 24
USM 25
USM 26
USM 27
USM 28
USM 29
USM 30
USM 31
USM 32

Wolverine/ Howlett, James "Logan"
UMTU 1

Tell me what you guys think? Thanks, Doty

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 09, 2003 at 18:02:07:

In Reply to: Ultimate Chronology posted by Jason M. Doty on February 08, 2003 at 15:20:45:

Hi,

I've actually been working on this myself. I've got a database running with all characters, teams, etc. for the Ultimate issues. I'm still working on some of the recent issues, but here's what I have so far.

--Ultimate Universe Timeline--
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB1 (Pages 1 through 2)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010-FB (Pages 6 through 10)
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4)
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB2 (Page 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 013
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate X-Men 013
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+)
Ultimate X-Men 014
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008
Ultimates 009
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025
Ultimate War 1
Ultimate War 2
Ultimate War 3
Ultimate War 4 

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jason Doty on February 10, 2003 at 13:15:47:
In Reply to: Re: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 09, 2003 at 18:02:07:

This is awsome,But what way should we present the information, by Charecter or issues? Do you want to collaborate on this? Thanks Doty

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 11, 2003 at 07:45:11:
In Reply to: Re: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jason Doty on February 10, 2003 at 13:15:47:

Hi, Doty.

Sure we can collaborate on this. 

My goal was to finish the project for posting on the MCP. I have written queries etc. within my database that will automatically break out the characters and sort them, so that all I have to do is run a merge and it will do the rest. 

Let me see where I'm at this weekend. Maybe I can spit out a preliminary listing. 

Any input is appreciated.

Take care,
Jimmy

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 17, 2003 at 12:35:12:
In Reply to: Re: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jason Doty on February 10, 2003 at 13:15:47:

Hi,

Here's an update of where I stand with the Ultimate Chronology:

--I've moved Team-Up 15 and 16.
--I'm adding Daredevil & Elektra as we speak.
--I've also added Spider-Man One-half

Hopefully by the end of next weekend, I'll have a rough draft.  I'd really like to get more data in before I do a preliminary run.  I'll try to post an over-all chronology here in the next few days... Maybe even today.  

Best,
Jimmy

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Loki and Thor chronology; Venus appearances during the Golden Age!
Posted by John McDonagh on February 09, 2003 at 14:00:24:

Loki's appearance in Venus#6 has been listed on the site for some time. However, if you peruse the Grand Comics Datbase (comics.org) you will see that he made other Golden Age appearances. 

GCD finally coughed up the information that Loki had also appeared in Venus #7, #9, and #12. In #12, Thor is listed as a guest-star, and Thor also appears in #13. It well could be that the first recorded Thor/Loki confrontation appeared in Venus #12, although I doubt either character would look like their contemporary versions. 

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Shadowline; even more obsure than the Ultraverse or New Universe or Nth Man!
Posted by John McDonagh on February 09, 2003 at 14:03:37:

Over at the unofficial Appendix, we have covered the Shadowline books from Epic. It may interest you that one Shadowline character may have made it into Canon.

Shreck, the mercenary who could attach the body parts of others to his body, looks quite similar to Terror of Terror, Inc. 

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Re: Shadowline; even more obsure than the Ultraverse or New Universe or Nth Man!
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 09, 2003 at 16:55:00:
In Reply to: Shadowline; even more obsure than the Ultraverse or New Universe or Nth Man!
posted by John McDonagh on February 09, 2003 at 14:03:37:

> Over at the unofficial Appendix, we have covered the Shadowline books from Epic. It may interest you that one Shadowline character may have made it into Canon.

Please post the URL when you get a chance.  It's a good idea to do so when making a reference to a specific site, especially when it can assist us in our discussion.

As an aside, I'd like to praise the contributors to the Appendix.  I don't remember who they are offhand, but the work displayed there is impressive and a nice complement to the MCP.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Check out Profiles for Doctor Zero 
Posted by John McDonagh on February 10, 2003 at 13:21:45:
In Reply to: Re: Shadowline; even more obsure than the Ultraverse or New Universe or Nth Man!
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 09, 2003 at 16:55:00:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix

Look under Profiles under D for Doctor Zero. 

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Did the Red Skull appear in Marvel Comics presents 2 or Marvel Fanfare vol. 2 Number 1?
Posted by ALLAN on February 09, 2003 at 15:00:30:

Did the Red Skull appear in Marvel Comics presents 2 or Marvel Fanfare vol. 2 Number 1?

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Gap #2 issues
Posted by OnionMan on February 09, 2003 at 17:26:10:

Hi!

I just checked out the Gap #2 page.

In the list of issues you want help to analyse, most (or many at least) of them have been added to the MCP by now. It would seem appropriate to update the list to reflect that. This would give a much clearer picture of what issues are still missing, and also would give a more accurate impression of overall progress in this area.

When it comes to helping out in analysing some of those issues I would love to do that. The problem though is that most of my issues are swedish reprints, and i suppose it would be useless to analyse translated stuff for obvious reasons, like missing pages, bad translations, changed referenses, etc.

But I would like to point you to a great site with lots of detailed issue summaries (http://www.uncannyxmen.net). My question is if these issue summaries contains sufficient information for the purpose of the MCP? I know Jeph! is using them for his chronologies of the Weapon X series + oneshots.

BTW: What's the status of gap 1. Work in progress I would suspect.

/OnionMan

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Re: Gap #2 issues
Posted by Jeph! on February 09, 2003 at 22:30:21:
In Reply to: Gap #2 issues
posted by OnionMan on February 09, 2003 at 17:26:10:

> But I would like to point you to a great site with lots of detailed issue summaries (http://www.uncannyxmen.net). My question is if these issue summaries contains sufficient information for the purpose of the MCP? I know Jeph! is using them for his chronologies of the Weapon X series + oneshots.

Actually, I'm not using your site as reference for CHRONOLOGY -- I was just pointing it out as a detailed reference for the comics' plots.  All the chronology work I did myself.

And, since you asked -- the uncannyxmen.net write-ups are fairly good, yes, and complete -- but they tend to vary from issue to issue, depending on who did the write-up, and they're far more plot-oriented than chronology oriented -- we simply don't need to wade through a lot of what's there to pick out the time and appearance references.  Also the fact that they're not posted here by individuals means it's hard to have a discussion or debate about various points of the comics, and nothing can be clarified without writing to the author directly.

(For example, I see no evidence that the scene in Weapon X #1/2 with the X-Force tryouts was a flashback, but Peter Luzifer seems to think it is.  But we can't discuss it easily...)

They're quality work, yes, and can probably come in handy for filling in broad brushstrokes.  But they're not exactly aimed at the same target we're looking at.

In my opinion, anyway...

-Jeph!

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Re: Gap #2 issues
Posted by OnionMan on February 09, 2003 at 23:52:20:
In Reply to: Re: Gap #2 issues
posted by Jeph! on February 09, 2003 at 22:30:21:

> Actually, I'm not using your site as reference for CHRONOLOGY -- I was just pointing it out as a detailed reference for the comics' plots. All the chronology work I did myself.

Actually that is what I meant too. Should have worded it better though...

> They're quality work, yes, and can probably come in handy for filling in broad brushstrokes. But they're not exactly aimed at the same target we're looking at.

I see your point. The reason I suggested to use them is because they could be a good help for filling the gaps, or at least inspire someone to do a more in depth analysis of those missing issues.

> Also the fact that they're not posted here by individuals means it's hard to have a discussion or debate about various points of the comics, and nothing can be clarified without writing to the author directly.

Again a good point. There is a message board on the site, but I suppose it's better to keep the chrono discussion at this place.

/OnionMan

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Re: Gap #2 issues
Posted by Administrator on February 09, 2003 at 23:03:58:
In Reply to: Gap #2 issues
posted by OnionMan on February 09, 2003 at 17:26:10:

Thanks for the links, but I'm somewhat reluctant to add analyses to the Project without the consent of the contributors.

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Re: Gap #2 issues
Posted by OnionMan on February 10, 2003 at 00:05:40:
In Reply to: Re: Gap #2 issues
posted by Administrator on February 09, 2003 at 23:03:58:

> Thanks for the links, but I'm somewhat reluctant to add analyses to the Project without the consent of the contributors.

I can understand that, but if you would find them useful, I don't think they would mind at all. Ofcourse it's polite to ask first.

In the end I think it benefits all to cooperate when possible. For instance I think Peter Luzifer refers to the MCP when doing research for the 'character spotlights' on their site.

/OnionMan

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Questions about the FAQ and Closing the Gap sections...
Posted by Kevin  on February 10, 2003 at 09:24:32:

Hey, I was just going over the FAQ and Closing the Gap sections, and I have some questions and suggestions, (all of which you can take with a grain of salt if needed).

The Administrator has the following in the section about "Why a character's appearance in such and such book might not be in the MCP":

"4. Was this really an appearance, as opposed to a dream sequence, a remembrance, or an apocryphal story? Many web pages elect to list these kinds of appearances, which is fine. But remember: we're the Marvel Chronology Project, not the Marvel Appearances Project."

Okay, I get that a dream sequence isn't canon, but what constitutes a "remembrance"?  Whenever a character remembers something that happened, (and we haven't seen it before) is that not a Flashback? (and Flashbacks are chronologized here at the MCP.

For instance: If Peter Parker is walking down the street in his old neighborhood, and he sees a couple of kids playing in the street, and he remembers for a brief instant (i.e. one panel in the comic) himself playing Catch with Uncle Ben in the street, is that not a flashback?  It's actually shown, (though in just one panel).  Or is that a "remembrance"?

Another example, and this one just happened:  In ASM2 #49, Mary Jane is sitting around, and she thinks back to when Peter took her out to dinner, and he forgot his wallet, so he had to leave his fancy jacket as payment.  This isn't shown, but Mary Jane thinks about, (i.e. thought captions appear) it having happened.  So, is this a flashback?  Or is this a "remembrance"?

Also, I feel you should have a FAQ about "How to contribute to the MCP", which currently appears in the "Closing the Gap" section.

It appears in the "Closing the Gap" section like this:

"We're also asking for your help in contributing the books that we might miss each and every week. Every week, you should tune in to the Updates page, where you'll find a list of all the books we didn't buy. You can follow the links either from the updates page, or from the individual pages below, to the Posting Board, where you can post chronological analyses for the books we're missing." 

So you're asking for more help than simply just Closing the 1996 Gap.  But I haven't seen what books are missing from the Updates page in sometime.  I do note that the current listings of characters hasn't been updated since late 2001, maybe early 2002.  So I'm looking at this from the point of view of a newcomer, (not me, I'm somewhat a regular here):  If I were new and I wanted to contribute, I wouldn't know what stuff to contribute to besides the 1996 gap.  So shouldn't there be a "What new stuff needs contributing" section?  

Finally, you have on the Closing the Gap section this lengthy thing called "What constitutes analysis":

"What constitutes analysis? You should be prepared to list every character who makes an actual appearance in the story. Dreams and photos/portraits of characters are not appearances. If there is any indication, either through character dialog, captions, or footnotes, of when this story occurs in relation to other stories, this should be noted. If there is no such indication, you should draw a reasonable conclusion, if possible, of when this story occurs, especially if characters from other titles appear in this story. If a flashback occurs, list every character who appears in the flashback, and attempt to place this flashback in its proper chronological place. Give a brief synopsis of events in the flashback. If more than one flashback occurs, treat each flashback separately, assigning a number to each flashback, and giving a page/panel # over which the flashback spreads. You should have a basic understanding of the concept of "behind-the-scenes" appearances (for more information, see the Key). If a character only appears behind the scenes, that should be noted. If the story contains a revelation to a previous story (Example 1: the current story reveals that the villain was behind the scenes in a previous story; Example 2: the current story reveals that the villain was pretending to be someone else in a previous story), this should be explained. We would appreciate a brief synopsis of the events of the main story, but that is not required, at least at this point." 

I feel you should add on an example, so a newcomer could see what was required.  Me, I've contributed to analysis for Paul B.'s calender, but that's not quite the same as analysis for the MCP, (they are similar though).  For the purpose of the calender, we take note of the passage of time, dates referenced, and the weather outside, and such, while for the purpose of the MCP, the main thing you need is a list of character appearances, and when those characters appeared in relation to other stories.  In other words, your basic chronology.

I feel an example would help.  For istance, let me do a quick simple one:

DD2 20/2: (this stands for DD, vol. 2, issue 20, second story)

Published: July, 2001 (This will give reference so people can find out what other stories were published around that time).

Written By Stan Lee, Drawn by somebody (This can sometimes be helpful in telling if it's part of an overall arc that needs to be taken into consideration, or if it's just a oneshot by a fill in writer/artist)

Appearances:  Spiderman, Daredevil (Lets us know which characters appeared)

Brief Syopsis: (This is optional at this time, *as noted by the Administrator*)

In this case, since it's brief:  Spidey and DD are in costume in a bar, living it up. They go outside and bust up some hooligans and go there seperate ways.

References: (This lets us know when this story takes place)

A broad example of references: Going by publication date, and since DD is wearing his mask in the bar, and no one is talking like they know who DD is, I'd say this goes before DD's secret identity gets revealed to the press.

Also, since the main story in DD2 20 is the start of a new story arc which runs uninterrupted over the next few issues, and the second story can go anywhere, why not just drop the second story as having happened before the Main story?

Flashback sequence (If this story had a flashback, you would have needed to do the following sections again, as pertaining to the flashback):

1. Appearances in Flashback
2. Synopsis of Flashback
3. References of Flashback

Would something like this make a good example?  This is just me posing my humble opinion, take it for what it's worth, (which probably isn't much).

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Remembrances vs flashbacks
Posted by SKleefeld on February 10, 2003 at 11:44:13:
In Reply to: Questions about the FAQ and Closing the Gap sections...
posted by Kevin  on February 10, 2003 at 09:24:32:

> The Administrator has the following in the section about "Why a character's appearance in such and such book might not be in the MCP":

> "4. Was this really an appearance, as opposed to a dream sequence, a remembrance, or an apocryphal story? Many web pages elect to list these kinds of appearances, which is fine. But remember: we're the Marvel Chronology Project, not the Marvel Appearances Project."

> Okay, I get that a dream sequence isn't canon, but what constitutes a "remembrance"?  Whenever a character remembers something that happened, (and we haven't seen it before) is that not a Flashback? (and Flashbacks are chronologized here at the MCP.

Strictly speaking, every remembrance is a flashback. BUT there's a bit of a distinction here. A flashback reveals some new information that readers were unaware of. A remembrance is simply a recap of things we've already seen.

For example, Spider-Man sees a guy that reminds him of his Uncle Ben. That launches into a flashback that duplicates his origin, with the thief who killed his uncle, got caught in the warehouse, etc. That's a remembrance and wouldn't be included in the MCP because the original is already listed.

If, on the other hand, Spider-Man sees a guy that reminds him of his Uncle Ben which launches into a flashback about how he, Ben and Aunt May went to a Yankees game in 1956 and he met Mickey Mantle, who then stopped a purse snatcher with his bat. THAT would be a flashback for the purposes of the MCP since we'd never seen that before.

-- Sean

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I don't remember...
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 10, 2003 at 12:35:54:
In Reply to: Remembrances vs flashbacks
posted by SKleefeld on February 10, 2003 at 11:44:13:

Sean spake:

> Strictly speaking, every remembrance is a flashback. BUT there's a bit of a distinction here. A flashback reveals some new information that readers were unaware of. A remembrance is simply a recap of things we've already seen.

Far be it for me to disagree with Sean... but I'll do it anyway.

The way I understand it, a remembrance is just when a character remembers something or someone vague.  To use Sean's example, a flashback might be where Peter Parker harkens back to a time when he and Uncle Ben went to the corner shop for ice cream sodas and ran into a wacky situation.  A remembrance would be where Pete thinks of Uncle Ben and we see a big floating head so that we know who he's thinking of.  He is not thinking of a particular instance of his dear uncle, but rather an iconic image of his face.  Given the nature of such a thing, chronologization would be inapplicable.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: I don't remember...
Posted by Administrator on February 10, 2003 at 18:16:07:
In Reply to: I don't remember...
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 10, 2003 at 12:35:54:

Stakar's version is a little bit closer. I can understand the confusion, so let's see if I can state it this way:

If the "remembrance" shows an *event*--and that event can be as simple as an eight-year-old Peter Parker wearing galoshes, standing in front of Aunt May--it's a flashback, treated as any other flashback (which is to say, if it imparts new information, it qualifies for a listing).

If the character is saying something like, "I have a lot of friends I can depend on," or "I've fought a lot of evil guys," and floating heads appear around that character, those don't qualify for a listing in the MCP. In this kind of "appearance", the original Baron Zemo could be standing shoulder to shoulder with Americop, when clearly, the two have never met.

The FAQ is kind of hazy on this distinction, and I should change it.

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Re: I don't remember...
Posted by SKleefeld on February 11, 2003 at 15:49:01:
In Reply to: Re: I don't remember...
posted by Administrator on February 10, 2003 at 18:16:07:

Do we have another term, then, for flashbacks that replay specific events but aren't listed in the MCP because we've already seen them elsewhere? You mention in the FAQ (IIRC) why reprints don't count but there's no listings for retellings either.

-- Sean

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Re: I don't remember...
Posted by Administrator on February 11, 2003 at 17:35:47:
In Reply to: Re: I don't remember...
posted by SKleefeld on February 11, 2003 at 15:49:01:

We could make up a term...

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Re: I don't remember...
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 11, 2003 at 21:24:44:
In Reply to: Re: I don't remember...
posted by Administrator on February 11, 2003 at 17:35:47:

Reruns?  :O)

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: I don't remember...
Posted by Jeph! on February 11, 2003 at 23:24:41:
In Reply to: Re: I don't remember...
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 11, 2003 at 21:24:44:

I've always just referred to them as "flashbacks with no new information".

Boring, huh?

-Jeph!

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Re: I don't remember...
Posted by Paul Bourcier on February 12, 2003 at 20:36:36:
In Reply to: Re: I don't remember...
posted by Jeph! on February 11, 2003 at 23:24:41:

I vote for "rehashback."  ;)

Paul

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LEXINGTON LOOPNER...LUNATIK...M II
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 11, 2003 at 18:33:40:

new entries marked **

LOOPNER, LEXINGTON
**S-H2 8
**S-H2 10
**S-H2 11
S-H2 19

LUNATIK/ARISEN TYRK
COTL 36
COTL 37
**M/PM 45-BTS (The cavalry of the damned are doing Tyrks bidding)
**M/PM 46
**DEF 51 (attacks a litterbug from the shadows on the last page)
**DEF 52 (as Professor Turk)
DEF 53
DEF 55
DEF 56
DEF 61
**DEF 62-FB (The current DEF 62 entry should be labeled as a flashback. The only time Lunatik is seen is in the defenders movie filmed during the previous issues battle. It does reveal how Lunatik escaped, previously unknown)
**DEF 65 (as Professor Turk)
DEF 70
DEF 71
DEF 72
DEF 73

M II/MONET YVETTE CLARISSE MARIA THERESE ST. CROIX

GENX 51
UX 23  (typo should be XU 23)
GENX 52

Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering!

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Lunatic/Arisen Tyrk
Posted by Dimadick on February 13, 2003 at 14:24:24:
In Reply to: LEXINGTON LOOPNER...LUNATIK...M II
posted by Arthur Stein on February 11, 2003 at 18:33:40:

For more info for Arisen Tyrk's see his profile in the Appendix that includes a chronological listing of his appearances:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/tyrkaris.htm

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Who is the Red Raven lookalike appearing in CM5 #21?
Posted by Thom on February 12, 2003 at 15:51:03:

The guy appearing naked at the end of Captain Marvel Vol. V #21, whose red armor is wore by marlo's friend in the issue is not listed under CM5 #21. Any reason this appearance & the previous ones, are not listed here?

Thanx to anyone willing to answer!

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Re: Who is the Red Raven lookalike appearing in CM5 #21?
Posted by Andy Holcombe on February 12, 2003 at 19:03:06:
In Reply to: Who is the Red Raven lookalike appearing in CM5 #21? 
posted by Thom on February 12, 2003 at 15:51:03:

It's been awhile since I read the book and I don't have access to it to check, but I think it's Cardinal.

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Re: Who is the Red Raven lookalike appearing in CM5 #21?
Posted by Paul O'Brien on February 13, 2003 at 08:38:34:
In Reply to: Re: Who is the Red Raven lookalike appearing in CM5 #21?
posted by Andy Holcombe on February 12, 2003 at 19:03:06:

I have a vague recollection of reading that it's an in-joke designed primarily to annoy some twit on a message board who kept demanding to see Red Raven in a Peter David comic.  A "be careful what you wish for" scene, not unlike his treatment of Rocket Raccoon.

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Re: Who is the Red Raven lookalike appearing in CM5 #21?
Posted by Thom on February 17, 2003 at 15:52:15:
In Reply to: Re: Who is the Red Raven lookalike appearing in CM5 #21?
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 13, 2003 at 08:38:34:

OK, thank you, that helped!

But I'll check who is Cardinal, i don't remember him...

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superheroes from poland
Posted by Kelley Joseph Saito on February 13, 2003 at 09:10:19:

I have a quick question? Are there any super heroes that come from poland as in the country poland? IE..spiderman is from new york city, new york,usa. If there are any can you name them if any or just a few and where i can get a picture snapshot internet download etc for one. Just a personal project from work.  Thanks and happy searching

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Re: superheroes from poland
Posted by Dimadick on February 13, 2003 at 14:54:53:
In Reply to: superheroes from poland
posted by Kelley Joseph Saito on February 13, 2003 at 09:10:19:

The most prominent Marvel character from Poland is probably Magneto/Erik Magnus Lehnsherr.

For a bio of him up till 1998 follow the link:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/4026/MagnetoBio.html

I'll see if I can find any pages including pictures of him.

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Re: superheroes from poland
Posted by Dimadick on February 13, 2003 at 15:37:18:
In Reply to: Re: superheroes from poland
posted by Dimadick on February 13, 2003 at 14:54:53:

The following link leads to a Magneto image gallery containing 87 images.See if any of them suits your purposes:

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/mutants/M/Magneto/Image_Gallery/index.htm

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Uncanny X-Men UK Annual -- UK books in general.
Posted by Jeph! on February 14, 2003 at 23:39:32:

While shopping during a vaction in Newport, RI today (I seem to have the ability to find the comic store in each town I visit), I came across a hardcover Annual of the variety published by Marvel UK during the 80 and 90s -- the Uncanny X-Men 1992 Annual.

Not to be confused with UX@ #16, published in 1992, this was a magazine-sized hardback that reprinted UX #139-140 (minus a page each) ... along with an ALL-NEW text story featuring the X-Men.

The text story SEEMS to be canon -- set between UX #140 and #141, it features an abortive attempt by some Skrulls to infiltrate the X-Men.  Not a stunning piece of work, but not so flawed that it's obviously non-canon.

I'm not posting to debate the canonicity of this story, but the very fact that Marvel UK has published at LEAST one all-new story featuring US characters makes me curious if there are more.  And if there ARE more, how to track them down.

Does anyone know of a web resource, ANYWHERE, that lists Marvel UK books, and the US books that they collect/reprint?  And also lists any ALL-NEW material published by Marvel UK?

I mean, I know that Captain Britain and Night Raven enjoyed healthy All-New runs across several British books, and the Hulk had several all-new stories in "Hulk Comic" ... but where can I find out what ELSE was created exclusively by Marvel UK?

Paul O'Brien, any idea?  Yes, I'm picking on you based on nationality.  ;)

Anyone else?  Anything?

As a sub-topic, I've noticed that in several UK books that specialized in reprinting US books in weekly segments, 5-12 pages each, they would occasionally insert NEW splash pages at the beginning of "part 2" of the US issue.  Generally used to bring readers up to speed on the cliffhanger they created by splitting the US book into segments, these pages were generally re-drawn versions of the last issue's last panel -- but sometimes they were COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Some of them, if taken as canon, represent NEW MATERIAL, in much the same way as a flashback set between pages would!

I found an issue of Hulk Comic (#26) that reprints parts of H2 #231 and CA #230, with inserted panels of THE WATCHER looking on!  This is CERTAINLY new material.

I don't suppose there's much of a chance that there's a list of THIS type of additional material, but I thought I'd mention its existence.  What's the MCP heirarchy's feeling on material of this type?  Should it possibly be considered canon?

(I mean, what differentiates THIS sort of page-adding from the sort of page-adding found in the "X-Tinction Agenda" TPB?  We considered THAT canon, even though it was only added to space out two double-page spreads.  Why not this?)

Let me know your thoughts ... and if anyone knows a link or a list or a resource for cataloguing UK material, please let me know.

(Heck, if there's even a list out there of every book Marvel UK has PUBLISHED, please let me know.  I'm filled with curiousity.)

Paul O'., did Marvel UK publish any more X-Men Annuals of this type?

-Jeph!

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UK books in general.
Posted by Dimadick on February 15, 2003 at 02:40:02:
In Reply to: Uncanny X-Men UK Annual -- UK books in general.
posted by Jeph! on February 14, 2003 at 23:39:32:

  The "Appendix to the Marvel Handbook" has a number of profiles devoted to various obscure Marvel UK characters , icluding a chronological list of appearances for each one.The following link leads to the Appendix's index for Marvel UK pages.See if you find anything of interest to you.:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/appmuk.htm

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For crying out loud--
Posted by Jeph! on February 15, 2003 at 10:43:46:
In Reply to: UK books in general.
posted by Dimadick on February 15, 2003 at 02:40:02:

Dimadick, I'm not ASKING about that.  I'm asking for a source that shows me which US books were reprinted in which UK books.  Did you READ my post?

And to be honest, I'm getting tired of every single one of your posts just being an advertisement for the Unofficial Appendix.  Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like all you do is link to that page, over and over again.  We all know it exists, thanks.  It doesn't help answer my question at all.

Cut it out, wouldja?

-Jeph!

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Re: Uncanny X-Men UK Annual -- UK books in general.
Posted by Paul O'Brien on February 15, 2003 at 12:03:21:
In Reply to: Uncanny X-Men UK Annual -- UK books in general.
posted by Jeph! on February 14, 2003 at 23:39:32:

My view is that filler material of this sort isn't canon.  It's material prepared by the UK office quite independently of whatever was going on in America and, almost certainly, without any consultation with Marvel's offices in New York.

The canonicity of Marvel UK's original, ongoing series seems to be beyond doubt at this stage, since Marvel US has expressly incorporated it into their own stories after the fact at various times (and Captain Britain was originally edited from Marvel's offices in New York, by the way - they didn't trust the Marvel UK staff of the day to get it right).

But their continuity inserts into titles they had nothing to do with... I wouldn't put any weight on them.  For those purposes, I would regard Marvel UK in the same position as any other foreign reprinter which doctored the reprints and added bridging material to make their stories fit the reprint format.  I very much doubt that Marvel US would regard these sorts of stories as canon.

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UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
Posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 16:48:52:
In Reply to: Re: Uncanny X-Men UK Annual -- UK books in general.
posted by Paul O'Brien on February 15, 2003 at 12:03:21:

Paul, while I understand your argument, I can't agree  it seems like you're lumping my two topics together and condemning them as one.

Yes, I mentioned Marvel UK's one-page fillers, but I also pointed out an all-new FULL STORY in that Annual, created by Marvel UK and starring the X-Men.

As you say, the canonicity of Marvel UK's ORIGINAL ongoing series, such as Captain Britain and Night Raven, is beyond doubt.  You mentioned that CB was originally edited by Marvel US, however from CB's run in "Hulk Comic" onwards, the series was entirely produced and edited by Marvel UK  and Night Raven was entirely a Marvel UK creation.  They remain canon, by virtue of many many references in Marvel US books.

However, these canon original series (mainly Captain Britain) guest-starred Marvel US characters.  The Black Knight and Modred featured prominently in Hulk Comic; Arcade, Henry Gyrich and Sebastian Shaw guest-starred in Alan Moore's CB run.  These appearances, of US characters in original stories created entirely by Marvel UK, are regarded as canon.

So what's the difference between those all-new Marvel UK stories, featuring Marvel US characters, and an all-new story by Marvel UK featuring the X-Men?  Or the all-new Hulk and Nick Fury stories in the UK's "Hulk Comic"?

The conclusion I've reached from the CB and Night Raven stories is that anything produced by Marvel UK and set in the Marvel Universe IS CANON, just as much as anything produced by Marvel US.  Marvel UK is just as valid a creator.

It's been demonstrated that the Black Knight/Captain Britain and Night Raven strips in "Hulk Comic" are canon  are you prepared to say that the original Hulk and Nick Fury strips therein AREN'T?  What's the distinction?  What's the difference?

To me, there isn't any.

We've recently decided that Malibu's Ultraverse books are, for MCP purposes, canon.  Those too were created by an outside publisher with little to no consultation from Marvel (at least before they were bought).  There IS a precedent for "adopting" other, outside company's books into our canon.  And surely Marvel UK, comics created in the spirit of and with the tacit approval of Marvel US, is much less of a stretch.  After all, it's not like they ever DEVIATED from Marvel US's canon  they never killed the Hulk, retconned Nick Fury or set the X-Men's base in London.  Marvel UK wrote and drew stories that COULD fit into the existing Marvel universe, and Marvel US later confirmed that the majority of them DID.

I'd say that's ample evidence that ALL of the UK's original stories, if set in the Marvel Universe, can be regarded as canon  regardless of whether or not they star or feature a primarily UK character.

Now, as for filler material

I'd agree that it's a completely different area, but my logic in the situation is as follows:

Filler is filler.  Whoever creates it, it's generally for one purpose  to fill space in a reprint.  It's never anything earth-shattering, never adds anything new  but it exists.

Now, on several occasions we've regarded filler material created by Marvel US as canon.  Most recently, we've included pages that were added into the X-Tinction Agenda trade paperback to make double-page spreads fall correctly.  Were they amazing new scenes?  Were they important at all?  No, they were pure filler  but, as far as the MCP's concerned, they're canon.

So, the logic extends that any and all filler material published by Marvel US *is* canon, simply because it's a snippet of all-new material published by Marvel.

Now, as I've shown above, Marvel UK can be considered just as valid a publisher as Marvel US, even when it comes to Marvel US characters such as the X-Men or the Hulk.

So, why isn't filler material created and published by Marvel UK canon?

In both cases, the new pages are created for one purpose  to fill space in reprints.  In neither case do they add anything earth-shaking, and in neither case do they ever go against the established canon.  They just exist.

But if we catalog ALL new material published by Marvel US, *including* its filler; and ALL new material published by Marvel UK  what logical reason do we have to discount ITS filler?

I agree that new bridging material created by, say, Panini or Marvel Italia shouldn't count  those publishers are PURELY reprint licensers, and have never added anything of VALUE to the canon.  (Heck, who'd want to include new material that isn't even in English?)  But Marvel UK is different  it has proven itself to be, in addition to a reprinter, a routine creator of canon material.  It has proved itself a company that ADDS to the Marvel canon.

Therefore I feel that if Marvel US's filler is considered canon, Marvel UK's filler should be too.

Now, as I said, those are two separate arguments  however you feel about the filler issue, I think it's very clear that my first argument stands  and that all-new stories such as the X-Men text story in the 1992 UK Annual should be considered canon.  Or at least as canon as the Timely/Atlas Golden Age tales; that is, canon unless contradicted by a Marvel US story.  (Heck, the "Exiles vs. X-Men" one-shot contradicts a Marvel story, was published by an outside source, and IT'S canon)

So I ask again  is there any resource, anywhere on the web, that lists which Marvel US stories were reprinted in which Marvel UK books  and which Marvel UK books contain original material?

If not, perhaps we can all pool our resources and start one.

I'd love to hear other thoughts or counter-arguments on any of the above  and I'd especially like to hear Russ's feelings on the topics.

-Jeph!

PS  and Paul, if even for my own PERSONAL collecting interests  can you tell me if there were any other X-Men annuals of this type published by Marvel UK?

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Re: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
Posted by Andy Holcombe on February 18, 2003 at 17:44:17:
In Reply to: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 16:48:52:

> So I ask again  is there any resource, anywhere on the web, that lists which Marvel US stories were reprinted in which Marvel UK books  and which Marvel UK books contain original material?

You might want to try http://members.lycos.co.uk/tbukforums/phpBB2/ board.  I don't know much about it, but a member of a Yahoogroup I belong to has the site as part of his signature.  Here's the signature in full:

 Any fans of Marvel UK out there ? Then check out the
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tbukforums/phpBB2/ board and chat to other UK fans .

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Re: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
Posted by Jeph! on February 19, 2003 at 03:09:34:
In Reply to: Re: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
posted by Andy Holcombe on February 18, 2003 at 17:44:17:

Thanks, Andy.

I posted my question on the True Believers UK forum, but the entire forum only has 24 members -- I'm not terribly hopeful.  I do appreciate the help, though.

-Jeph!

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Re: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
Posted by French Thom on February 18, 2003 at 19:04:32:
In Reply to: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 16:48:52:

Jeph! wrote: We've recently decided that Malibu's Ultraverse books are, for MCP purposes, canon.  Those too were created by an outside publisher with little to no consultation from Marvel (at least before they were bought).

Ok, fine with me, but can you explain about the X-Men team appearing on with the All-New Exiles?

Gambit could just not possibly be there, being in a coma after Rogue's kiss, Rogue, who, by the way, was out on a vacation with Iceman at that time...

And when Gambit meets Juggernaut at the begining of the Onslaught story, he doesn't seem to have any recollection of him...

So is it that this one story only is not valid?

Thank you for answering!

French Thom

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Exiles vs. X-Men #0
Posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 23:18:05:
In Reply to: Re: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
posted by French Thom on February 18, 2003 at 19:04:32:

> can you explain about the X-Men team appearing on with the All-New Exiles?  Gambit could just not possibly be there, being in a coma after Rogue's kiss, Rogue, who, by the way, was out on a vacation with Iceman at that time...

> So is it that this one story only is not valid?

Short answer: it takes place between X #45 and UX #326, after Gambit has woken up and confronted Rogue -- and we're forced to make the assumption that Rogue briefly came back to the mansion, perhaps to collect her possessions, before leaving for good.

Long answer: read my recent thread on that very subject, here: http://www.chronologyproject.com/wwwboard/messages/3347.htm

-Jeph!

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Re: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
Posted by Paul O'Brien on February 20, 2003 at 18:15:37:
In Reply to: UK books canon?  Rebuttal...
posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 16:48:52:

Belatedly noticing that your reply had appeared...

> So what's the difference between those all-new Marvel UK stories, featuring Marvel US characters, and an all-new story by Marvel UK featuring the X-Men?  Or the all-new Hulk and Nick Fury stories in the UK's "Hulk Comic"?

I would say that the difference is between Marvel UK having an entire strip under their control and writing their stories, as opposed to doing very, very occasional superhero stories using characters outside their control.

This situation arose more commonly with the toy adaptations (because the Marvel UK weeklies chewed through material at twice the rate the US was producing it), and it was fairly clear from an early stage that Marvel US did not regard the additional UK stories as remotely binding on them.  Eventually Transformers had to resort to noticeable re-dialoguing of reprinted scenes because the US plots had points of irreconcilable incompatibility with previously established UK continuity that the Americans had, not regarded as binding on them.

My impression is that that was fairly typical of Marvel US's attitude to Marvel UK's material.  While ongoing strips were generally accepted as canon, I'm not aware of any serious weight having been given to items such as text stories in annuals or the very occasional original strips that turned up in books like Spider-Man & Zoids.

I can only remember that book running two original Spider-Man stories, in fact.  One was a road safety advertisement, and the other was designed to plug gaps in UK reprint selection and fill in some key plot points necessary to comprehend the next storyline they were planning to reprint.

> It's been demonstrated that the Black Knight/Captain Britain and Night Raven strips in "Hulk Comic" are canon  are you prepared to say that the original Hulk and Nick Fury strips therein AREN'T?  

Yes.

>What's the distinction?  What's the difference?

Editorial control over the character who stars in the strip, and whether Marvel US chooses to recognise Marvel UK's inserts as canon.  There's a qualitative difference between an ongoing Marvel UK series and their very occasional dropping in of original stories into series that were primarily reprint.  Those, to my mind, are equivalent to filler.

> We've recently decided that Malibu's Ultraverse books are, for MCP purposes, canon.  Those too were created by an outside publisher with little to no consultation from Marvel (at least before they were bought).

But they were incorporated wholesale by Marvel afterwards, and since they were a separate continuity under the control of the people producing the books at the time, it's not a good comparison.  Malibu weren't doing stories with Marvel characters.

> So I ask again  is there any resource, anywhere on the web, that lists which Marvel US stories were reprinted in which Marvel UK books  and which Marvel UK books contain original material?

I don't know of one, I'm afraid.  

> PS  and Paul, if even for my own PERSONAL collecting interests  can you tell me if there were any other X-Men annuals of this type published by Marvel UK?

I never paid much attention to the Marvel UK reprint annuals, I'm afraid.  Read some of the weekly reprint titles for a while, but pretty much jumped to Marvel US fairly early on - the reprint lag in the UK editions is horrific.  They're about two years behind at the moment, I think.

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MAA-GOR...MACE ...MACHINE MAN
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 15, 2003 at 07:51:58:

new entries marked **

MAA-GOR
AT 11
**KZ2 1
**KZ2 2
**KZ2 3
**KZ2 4
**KZ2 5
KZ3 15/2

MACE 
(first name: GIDEON  LCHFH 3)
** PM 44-FB (pg 17- shows Mace in 1968 when he lost his hand)
**LCHFH 3-FB (pg 12-13)
**LCHFH 3
**PM 23-FB (pg 23)
PM 23
PM 43

MACHINE MAN/X-51
H2 279
**M/TIO 92
M/TIO 93

Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering!

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Are the paperback books by Byron Priess books canon?
Posted by Jason M. Doty on February 15, 2003 at 14:57:07:

I've been reading all my X-Men books, for my reading class in college. At first, I thought they would be stand alone stories, but after reading the first 2, they seem to be canon. Has anyone read these and have an opinion? The books are:

X-Men: Mutant Empire: Seige
X-Men: Mutant Empire: Sanctuary
X-Men: Mutant Empire: Salvation
X-Men: Smoke and Mirrors
Generation X
X-Men: The Jewels of Cyttorak
X-Men: Empires End (This story puts the same X-Men from the first Star Trek/X-Men story in Sh'iar space)
X-Men: Law of the Jungle
X-Men: Prisoner X
X-Men & Spider-man: Times Arrow Book 1: The Past
X-Men & Spider-man: Times Arrow Book 2: The Present
X-Men & Spider-man: Times Arrow Book 3: The Future
X-Men: Soul Killer
Generation X: Crossroads
X-Men: Code Name: Wolverine
Generation X: Genogoths
X-Men & the Avengers: Gamma Quest Book 1: Lost and Found
X-Men & the Avengers: Gamma Quest Book 2: Search and Rescue
X-Men & the Avengers: Gamma Quest Book 3: Friend or Foe?
X-Men: Dr. Doom: The Chaos Engine Book 1
X-Men: Magneto: The Chaos Engine Book 2
X-Men: Red Skull: The Chaos Engine Book 3
X-Men: The Legacy Quest Trillogy Book 1
X-Men: The Legacy Quest Trillogy Book 2
X-Men: The Legacy Quest Trillogy Book 3

Then there are three books with short stories that all take place at different times in continuity:

Five Decades of the X-Men
X-Men: Legends
Ultimate X-Men

Finaly, There are two books published by different publishers:

X-Men: Shadows of the Past
Star Trek: The Next Generation/ X-Men: Planet X (This is the second half of the comic book crossover)

I beleive these all fall within continuity, any comments? Thanks Doty

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Novel canonicity
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 15, 2003 at 15:45:39:
In Reply to: Are the paperback books by Byron Priess books canon?
posted by Jason M. Doty on February 15, 2003 at 14:57:07:

In our last exciting episode, Jason M. Doty spake:

> I've been reading all my X-Men books, for my reading class in college. At first, I thought they would be stand alone stories, but after reading the first 2, they seem to be canon. Has anyone read these and have an opinion?

AFAIK, none of the novels are in continuity.  There was an Avengers/Thunderbolts novel that was designed to fit in rather snugly, but it was never intended to be official.  (There was a plot point contradiction with canon about Hawkeye's ID card from what I've heard, but the book was supposed to fit otherwise).  I'd imagine most novels are written with some regard to continuity but never expected to be so themselves.

> X-Men & Spider-man: Times Arrow Book 3: The Future

This is the only novel I have because, wait for it, the Guardians of the Galaxy play a part in it.  I could never bring myself to read the non-Guardians sections because I found them excrutiating.  The book was co-written by Tom DeFalco, who supposedly new something about the Guardians, having edited their book for a while.  There were some minor points that added a little backstory to the GotG, but I didn't see any outstanding reasons for canonicity.

> Star Trek: The Next Generation/ X-Men: Planet X (This is the second half of the comic book crossover)<p>I sort of doubt it.  Interestingly, the ST:TNG/X-Men book featured an early one-panel appearance by the Thunderbolts.  Oddly enough, Captain Picard had a familiarity with Shi'ar technology.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: Novel canonicity
Posted by Jhaeman on February 15, 2003 at 16:13:37:
In Reply to: Novel canonicity
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 15, 2003 at 15:45:39:

I think the general question we should ask is whether the novels have had any impact whatsoever on the comic books--this would tend to give us an answer as to whether they were intended to *be* continuity or simply to fall *within* continuity.  This distinction also applies to most media tie-ins of television shows, such as the Buffy the Vampire Slayer books, Star Wars novels, and early Star Trek novels--they try to fit in with the shows, but the television shows (or movies) rarely if ever considered themselves bound by the books.

Jhaeman
Comics That Time Forgot:  http://www.geocities.com/jhaeman

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Re: Novel canonicity
Posted by Administrator on February 15, 2003 at 17:00:47:
In Reply to: Re: Novel canonicity
posted by Jhaeman on February 15, 2003 at 16:13:37:

I've spoken with Keith R.A. DeCandido, the original editor of the novels. They're not intended as canon.

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Re: Novel canonicity
Posted by Jason M. Doty on February 15, 2003 at 18:18:49:
In Reply to: Novel canonicity
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 15, 2003 at 15:45:39:

> > Star Trek: The Next Generation/ X-Men: Planet X (This is the second half of the comic book crossover)

> I sort of doubt it.  Interestingly, the ST:TNG/X-Men book featured an early one-panel appearance by the Thunderbolts.  Oddly enough, Captain Picard had a familiarity with Shi'ar technology.

The book definatly took place right after the comic Star Trek:TNG/ X-Men. They refer to the comic, in the book. As far as Picard knowing about the Shi'ar. Kirk encountered them in the first Star Trek/X-Men cross-over. Also, in the comic Wolverine asked the TNG crew if they new Capt. Kirk.

Would'nt the other books have to contradict continuity in order to be non-canon? So far I've only read 3 of the books, and they seem canon. If they don't contradict anything, they would seem to be just extra stories that fit between the cracks. The books are produced by Marvel, and take place in the Marvel Universe. Nothing suggests an alternate universe. 

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Re: Novel canonicity
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 15, 2003 at 18:55:33:
In Reply to: Re: Novel canonicity
posted by Jason M. Doty on February 15, 2003 at 18:18:49:

In our last exciting episode, Jason M. Doty spake:

> The book definatly took place right after the comic Star Trek:TNG/ X-Men.

Right.  It was a cliffhanger, IIRC.

> They refer to the comic, in the book. As far as Picard knowing about the Shi'ar. Kirk encountered them in the first Star Trek/X-Men cross-over. Also, in the comic Wolverine asked the TNG crew if they new Capt. Kirk.

There was a funny scene in Star Trek/X-Men where somebody called "Dr. McCoy" and both Bones and Beast turned around.  :-)

> Would'nt the other books have to contradict continuity in order to be non-canon? So far I've only read 3 of the books, and they seem canon. If they don't contradict anything, they would seem to be just extra stories that fit between the cracks. The books are produced by Marvel, and take place in the Marvel Universe. Nothing suggests an alternate universe. 

As mentioned elsewhere by the Administrator, the books' editor said that they are not canon.  Nevertheless, they form a continuity WITH EACH OTHER and were written to fit into Official Continuity.  Even though they aren't.

- StAkAr Karnak

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DD (Yellow Costume) and Spiderman Short
Posted by S. R. Kitchens on February 15, 2003 at 17:32:17:

Trying to locate an early book or 60's/70's reprint that contain a DD and SP single story.  They both attend the Circus.  TopHat character has hypnotic powers.  DD stays out of most of the action.

Starting reading comics around '69 so I suspect it was a reprint.

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Re: DD (Yellow Costume) and Spiderman Short
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 15, 2003 at 18:53:26:
In Reply to: DD (Yellow Costume) and Spiderman Short
posted by S. R. Kitchens on February 15, 2003 at 17:32:17:

The 'TopHat character' is the Ringmaster.

The original was Amazing Spiderman #16 (1964).

First reprinted in 1967 in Marvel Tales #11.

Then again in 1976 in Giant-Size Spiderman #3.

And again in 1983 in Marvel Tales #154.

And likely somewhere else as well !

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Re: DD (Yellow Costume) and Spiderman Short
Posted by S. R. Kitchens on February 16, 2003 at 22:10:42:
In Reply to: Re: DD (Yellow Costume) and Spiderman Short
posted by Arthur Stein on February 15, 2003 at 18:53:26:

Thanks:  Marvel Tales 11 looks like it might be it.  Have to see the other stories within it.

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the rest of M/T 11
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 17, 2003 at 21:31:22:
In Reply to: Re: DD (Yellow Costume) and Spiderman Short
posted by S. R. Kitchens on February 16, 2003 at 22:10:42:

Besides the Spidey story, the others are...

1)  The Human Torch in "The Sorceror and Pandora's Box"  (reprint from Strange Tales #109, Sept 1963)

2) The Wasp tells a tale: "Beware the Bog Beast" (from Tales to Astonish #56, June 1964)

3) Thor in "Thor and Loki Attack the Human Race (Journey into Mystery #94, July 1963)

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Zarrko
Posted by John McDonagh on February 16, 2003 at 14:05:59:

Probably GAp, but Zarrko appeared in Darkhawk#28-29 around 1993, so that would go at least before his FF I appearances around 400.

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On Spider-Man's Tangled Web #20
Posted by Dimadick on February 17, 2003 at 02:45:14:

  This issue's storie "Behind the Mustache" gives a number of flash-backs on John Jonah Jameson's past.The frame storie has Jonah describing his past to a psychiatrist.

The flash-backs include the following.

Flashback #1."Jonah's first, strongest memory of his father".Pages 9,10, and panels 2-6 of page 11(of the storie).Jonah as a young child forced by his father to pull his own tooth out using a string tied to a door.Besides Jonah the flash-back has appearances by Jonah's mother Betty Jameson and his father David Jameson, a decorated war-hero ,and high-reputed military officer who spends his time home drinking and abusing his wife and child.

Flash-back #2.Panels 2 and 3 of Page 12(of the story).Jonah as a boyscout starting a camp-fire.When his instructor utters the words "What would your daddy say if he saw this sad fire of yours?" Jonah starts a bigger fire , using gasoline and his instructor's backpack.

Flash-back #3.Panel's 4-6 of page 12(of the story).Teenage Jonah training as a boxer.When his instructor Mr.Bimsby compares him to his father Jonah knocks him out instead of his training partner.

Flash-back #4.Panel's 3-5 of page 13 and page 14(of the story).Jonah as a highschool student and new member of the photo club.He knocks out three school bullies who attacked him.Another member of the club falls in love with him, namely Joan, later his first wife as "Joan Jameson".

Flash-back #5.Pages 16-18(of the storie) Jonah and Joan at a school dance,ending their date at Jonah's home where his father insults both of them suggesting that a prom night date should end at the parking lot.Jonah stands up to his father and as an award gets his first cigar.

Flash-back #6.Panels 3 and 4 of Page 19(of the storie).Jonah as a middle-aged man watching TV and seing Spider-Man for the first time(during the events of Amazing Fantasy #15 possibly) and immediately getting to action preparinhg a negative editorial of him.In the background there is a woman with Betty Brant's hair style and a young bespectacled photographer.Possibly Betty Brant and Peter Parker?

The fist five are possibly the earliest chronological appearances of Jonah.Any interest in placing the 6th flash-back during the events between Amazing Fantasy #15 and the early issues of Amazing Spider-Man?

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Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Kevin  on February 17, 2003 at 09:18:45:

I've been surfing the web and message boards, studying Marvel comic sites, and I keep seeing reference to something called Earth 616?  Is this the basic Marvel Universe?  The Universe where FF#1 an onward exist?  If so, how did it get labeled 616?

So when someone on the net says: "Everything that happens on Earth-616 is canon" this is true, right? Cause that would mean the basic Marvel Universe is what they're referring to, right?

If that's the case, then this MCP is basically dedicated to Earth-616, correct?  Unless I'm misunderstanding.  :-(

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Cook on February 17, 2003 at 10:42:57:
In Reply to: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by Kevin  on February 17, 2003 at 09:18:45:

You are correct.  The "mainstream" Marvel Universe is located on Earth-616.

If I remember correctly, the designations of the Earths was first introduced when Captain Britain was pulled to Earth-238 to stop Mad Jim Jaspers.

The Captain Britain Corps are assigned to various numbered Earths within the Omniverse (it's kind of like The Green Lantern Corps being assigned to numbered sectors of the universe)

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 17, 2003 at 13:14:30:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by Cook on February 17, 2003 at 10:42:57:

In our last exciting episode,  Cook spake:

> You are correct. The "mainstream" Marvel Universe is located on Earth-616.  If I remember correctly, the designations of the Earths was first introduced when Captain Britain was pulled to Earth-238 to stop Mad Jim Jaspers.

I've heard that this was established in an issue of EXCALIBUR.  Haven't read it, so I dunno for sure.

I prefer the more generic "Mainstream MU" because the timeline has branched a virtually infinite number of times since whenever the story was published.  You'd get Earth 616-A, Earth 616-B, Earth 616-C, Earth 616-A1, Earth 616-A2, etc.  The term was only really applicable to that story as far as I'm concerned.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Jeph! on February 17, 2003 at 15:09:23:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 17, 2003 at 13:14:30:

> I've heard that this was established in an issue of EXCALIBUR.  Haven't read it, so I dunno for sure.

Actually, it was before that -- established by Alan Moore and Alan Davis over at Marvel UK.  I forget the specific issue, but it's reprinted (in color!) in the recent "Captain Britain" trade paperback.

> I prefer the more generic "Mainstream MU" because the timeline has branched a virtually infinite number of times since whenever the story was published.  You'd get Earth 616-A, Earth 616-B, Earth 616-C, Earth 616-A1, Earth 616-A2, etc.  The term was only really applicable to that story as far as I'm concerned.

I tend to think that, whenever a new timeline branches off, it gets its own number, and the numbers signify the order of creation.  For example, if there are 30,000 timelines out there, and a new one branches off from 616, it simply becomes 30,001 -- not 616-beta or what have you.

The mainstream MU, then, would simply have been the 616th tmeline to have branched off in the history of the multiverse -- and as such, it will always be #616, despite whatever branches it itself sprouts.

-Jeph!

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 17, 2003 at 16:05:20:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by Jeph! on February 17, 2003 at 15:09:23:

In our last exciting episode, Jeph! spake:

> I tend to think that, whenever a new timeline branches off, it gets its own number, and the numbers signify the order of creation. For example, if there are 30,000 timelines out there, and a new one branches off from 616, it simply becomes 30,001 -- not 616-beta or what have you.

How convenient.  :-)

> The mainstream MU, then, would simply have been the 616th tmeline to have branched off in the history of the multiverse -- and as such, it will always be #616, despite whatever branches it itself sprouts.

With a time traveler changing history, the timeline can be said to branch; there was an original and then a new one where Kang or Zarrko steps in for a remix.

Then again, there have been plenty of What Ifs showing a world that just happened to unfold differently with no apparent external influence.  In a case like this, timelines don't really branch; they split in two like a fork in the road.  Who's to say which is the "real" timeline?

I seem to remember a story, possibly a Simonson FF, that explained that the Temporal Variance Authority instituted splits in the timeline.  Sound familiar to anyone, or am I misremembering?  Maybe all they did was catalogue changes.

- StAkAr Karnak

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Jeph! on February 17, 2003 at 21:00:13:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 17, 2003 at 16:05:20:

> > I tend to think that, whenever a new timeline branches off, it gets its own number, and the numbers signify the order of creation. For example, if there are 30,000 timelines out there, and a new one branches off from 616, it simply becomes 30,001 -- not 616-beta or what have you.

> How convenient.  :-)

Of course!  It's comics!

> With a time traveler changing history, the timeline can be said to branch; there was an original and then a new one where Kang or Zarrko steps in for a remix.

Yep -- but, looking at it from an outside point of view, the timeline where the traveller DIDN'T appear could be thought of as "the split", and labelled as such.  I guess it depends on your POV.  Certainly the current MU is the result of many, many time-travellers, and yet it has been considered "timeline 616" as recently as X-Man #71...

> Then again, there have been plenty of What Ifs showing a world that just happened to unfold differently with no apparent external influence.  In a case like this, timelines don't really branch; they split in two like a fork in the road.  Who's to say which is the "real" timeline?

...yeah, that's what I'm getting at.

> I seem to remember a story, possibly a Simonson FF, that explained that the Temporal Variance Authority instituted splits in the timeline.  Sound familiar to anyone, or am I misremembering?  Maybe all they did was catalogue changes.

Wasn't it revealed in "Avengers Forever" that Kang destroyed the TVA?  If so, they must not have been truly that important.

-Jeph!

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Kevin on February 18, 2003 at 10:12:17:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by Jeph! on February 17, 2003 at 21:00:13:

> Wasn't it revealed in "Avengers Forever" that Kang destroyed the TVA?  If so, they must not have been truly that important.

Yes, he did destroy them.  I took that to be an attempt by Busiek to say "Enough! No more splitting up the timeline, otherwise Marvel's going to end up like DC, with it's Crisis on Infinite Earth's mess!" Of course, I don't think the rest of Marvel's going to listen...

By the way, thanks for the answer guys. I never even heard of the term 616 till recently.

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Don Campbell on February 18, 2003 at 12:44:33:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by Kevin on February 18, 2003 at 10:12:17:

I'm afraid that I must disagree with you somewhat concerning the destruction of the TVA. If you check AVENGERS FOREVER #9, you'll see that Kang, in order to devote himself to his then-upcoming war against Immortus, took actions to ensure that his rivals wouldn't be able to take advantage of him while he fought Immortus. To this end, he set the various chronal realms against each other.

"It was a simple matter to weaken Tempus slightly, allowing Alioth to break through into the Time Variance Authority's realm, throwing them into turmoil. Revelation and the Delubric Consortium were set against one another as well, and the other realms similarly occupied."

As you can see, there is no mention of the TVA being destroyed by Alioth, only of their operations being disrupted.

As for what the TVA actually does, their primary function is to monitor the various timelines that were under their judisdiction. Basically a bunch of cloned bureaucrats, the TVA monitors and regulates all time travel within their timelines. Their existence was first revealed in THOR #371-372 when Justice Peace travelled back in time to kill the 20th Century incarnation of the Zaniac whose future self had caused the devastating (nuclear) World War VII. The rulers of that future Earth needed the TVA's approval to send someone back to change the past and the TVA (grudgingly) gave it.

In later stories the TVA was more dictatorial in their methods. They kidnapped the Fantastic Four when Reed Richards and Doctor Doom used the time-changers (that Doom had stolen) in their battle in FF 352. And in the final issues of DEATHLOK (vol. 2?), they sent Godwulf to counteract the damage that Timestream was doing to the timelines. As I recall, the TVA was willing to negate both the mainstream timeline and Godwulf's divergent timeline in order to prevent Timestream from diverging a timeline of his own.<p>The only group of time-travellers that I know of that have been destroyed are the Council of Kangs (destroyed by the manipulations of Immortus) and the related Council of Cross-Time Kangs (destroyed by the manipulations of Kang so that they would serve as a power source for Tempus so that he could block the advance of Alioth).

Don Campbell

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Kevin  on February 18, 2003 at 14:03:24:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by Don Campbell on February 18, 2003 at 12:44:33:

My apologies. I was thinking of those three aliens Kang blew away near the end of Avengers Forever issue 12.  They were the ones who didn't want humans to expand into space, (cause they'd conquer the universe).  But that was a different "Time/Space entity/group".

But I still though the whole purpose of Avengers Forever was to get Marvel Time back on track, before it collapsed into a "Crisis on Infinite Marvel Earths" scenario.

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 21, 2003 at 12:57:01:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 17, 2003 at 13:14:30:

> > You are correct. The "mainstream" Marvel Universe is located on Earth-616.  If I remember correctly, the designations of the Earths was first introduced when Captain Britain was pulled to Earth-238 to stop Mad Jim Jaspers.

> I've heard that this was established in an issue of EXCALIBUR.  Haven't read it, so I dunno for sure.

It was seen for the first time in America in Excalibur, so in a manner of speaking, yes. :)

> I prefer the more generic "Mainstream MU" because the timeline has branched a virtually infinite number of times since whenever the story was published.  You'd get Earth 616-A, Earth 616-B, Earth 616-C, Earth 616-A1, Earth 616-A2, etc.  The term was only really applicable to that story as far as I'm concerned.

Right.  If I recall, the numbering system (616 et al) only applied to parallel Earths, not divergent ones, as the terms are defined by the Official Handbook.  In other words, "What If"-type worlds (including alternate/possible futures like Cable, Killraven and Spider-Girl's timelines) don't fall into Saturnyne's numbering scheme and may be out of her jurisdiction, but presumably the Squadron Supreme's Earth-S has a number in her records.

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by John Jakala on May 03, 2003 at 18:39:38:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by StAkAr Karnak on February 17, 2003 at 13:14:30:

> In our last exciting episode,  Cook spake:

> > You are correct. The "mainstream" Marvel Universe is located on Earth-616.  If I remember correctly, the designations of the Earths was first introduced when Captain Britain was pulled to Earth-238 to stop Mad Jim Jaspers.

> I've heard that this was established in an issue of EXCALIBUR.  Haven't read it, so I dunno for sure.

> I prefer the more generic "Mainstream MU" because the timeline has branched a virtually infinite number of times since whenever the story was published.  You'd get Earth 616-A, Earth 616-B, Earth 616-C, Earth 616-A1, Earth 616-A2, etc.  The term was only really applicable to that story as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
Posted by Jeph! on May 04, 2003 at 01:25:42:
In Reply to: Re: Clarify something for me: What is Earth 616?
posted by John Jakala on May 03, 2003 at 18:39:38:

It's another term for the Marvel Universe.

All the various alternate earths are calatogued by the Dimensional Development Court -- their designation for the mainstream Marvel Universe is #616.

-Jeph!

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Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 18, 2003 at 07:45:55:

Here's the latest timeline... Individual characters to come soon...

Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19)
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB1 (Pages 1 through 2)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010-FB (Pages 6 through 10)
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4)
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB2 (Page 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 013
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate X-Men 013
Ultimate X-Men 014
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+)
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008
Ultimates 009
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025
Ultimate Adventures 001
Ultimate Adventures 002
Ultimate Adventures 003
Ultimate War 1
Ultimate War 2
Ultimate War 3
Ultimate War 4

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by trey causey on February 18, 2003 at 18:08:41:
In Reply to: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 18, 2003 at 07:45:55:

Looks good at first glance.

Unless, I'm just missing it though, you don't have down the ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN SUPER SPECIAL #1.

trey

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 18, 2003 at 19:12:31:
In Reply to: Re: Ultimate Chronology
posted by trey causey on February 18, 2003 at 18:08:41:

I have it, but I have yet to read it. Any help placing it would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Jimmy

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by trey on February 19, 2003 at 06:23:07:
In Reply to: Re: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 18, 2003 at 19:12:31:

> I have it, but I have yet to read it. Any help placing it would be appreciated.

Well, off the top of my head, the Captain America part (pg. 29-30) show the press conference in ULTIMATES #3 and events co-inciding with it, so at first look, the prior portions of the issue may take place before that, though I could be wrong.  The Ultimates two page spread a few pages after must take place after that since it shows the complete team.

I'll look at it further when I get a chance.

trey

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Re: Ultimate Chronology
Posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 23:21:09:
In Reply to: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 18, 2003 at 07:45:55:

Would it be possible to get you to create and post an ANNOTATED version of this, with references as to WHY you've placed all the books where you did?

It's great that you've done this, but if you could back your work up with proofs and evidence, I for one would love it.

Thanks.

-Jeph!

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Re: Ultimate Chronology Re: Annotated list
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 19, 2003 at 19:52:11:
In Reply to: Re: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jeph! on February 18, 2003 at 23:21:09:

I don't know that I would be up for doing an annotated list, but here's some insight into the process.

I maintain an access database of all the issues, and for each issue I track...

Obvious info (title, issue number, publication date, characters, and teams.

I also keep track of 
--locations that appear in the stories
--changes (i.e., so-and-so now knows Mr. X's identity. So-and-so left the team. Etc.)
--last page/panel (i.e. where the story left off--which helps me determine if the next issue picks up immediately where the previous one left off).
--story (this field is multiple choice: Start, Cont, End, Self, or FB). This field refers to whether the issue is the beginning, middle, or end of a story, or if it is "self"-contained. I sometimes add "pause" to the end of the item if the next issue doesn't immediately follow.
--summary (this field contains a one sentence summary of the events in the story or flashback).
--deaths (this field tracks deaths that occur and the cause of those deaths). 

I'm not big on trying to track seasons or weather, that's kind of where I draw the line.  Months and dates are good though.

Thanks,
Jimmy

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Re: Ultimate Chronology - corrections
Posted by trey on February 19, 2003 at 07:30:25:
In Reply to: Ultimate Chronology
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 18, 2003 at 07:45:55:

> Here's the latest timeline... Individual characters to come soon...

> Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
> Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
> Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, >9, 13-14, 16-19)

UMTU 005-FB pg. 3 panels 3-4 (Tony Stark as a child), panel 5 (1981, Tony Stark and Reed Richards as college freshmen), and panel 6 (Tony Stark starts his business after his junior yr. of cellege) I believe should all come before UXM 0011 FB pg. 1-9 (Kuwait, 11 yrs, ago-- i.e. the Gulf War).

The dates, of course, are likely topical references, but since the stories are being written from the same reference time (the present) I think they are useful in setting their chronology.

I don't know if it would change the placement of anything, but Tony Stark is said to have been held captive in Guatemala 8 months (UMTU 005 pg. 4) and has been a public hero about 2 years at the time of the non-flashback parts of the story.

trey

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Re: Ultimate Chronology <--Updated listing
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 19, 2003 at 19:53:58:
In Reply to: Ultimate Chronology 
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 18, 2003 at 07:45:55:

Here's the latest list, based on your suggestions...

Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
Ultimate Team-Up 005-FB (Page 3, panels 3-4)
Ultimate Team-Up 005-FB (Page 3, panel 5)
Ultimate Team-Up 005-FB (Page 3, panel 6)
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19)
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB1 (Pages 1 through 2)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010-FB (Pages 6 through 10)
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4)
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB2 (Page 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 013
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate X-Men 013
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+)
Ultimate X-Men 014
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008
Ultimates 009
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025
Ultimate Adventures 001
Ultimate Adventures 002
Ultimate Adventures 003
Ultimate War 1
Ultimate War 2
Ultimate War 3
Ultimate War 4

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Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
Posted by Kevin  on February 19, 2003 at 10:50:38:

Back in December, the following messages were posted.  They've been stuck in the back of my head since then. 

Let me quickly repost them to bring up what I'm getting at:

Jhaeman spake:
"I'm glad we have a new list of non-canon books from Marvel or its various imprints on the FAQ. I went through my inventory and found the following to add to the list. Many are obviously not canon, but since the list already contains many obvious ones (such as Heathcliff), I felt it was worthwhile to articulate them."

....

"Conan the Barbarian (and spin-offs)"

To which, Jeph replied:
"I'm pretty sure that the Conan and Red Sonja books ARE canon -- hasn't it been established that their era WAS part of the Marvel Universe's past? I'm thinking of Kulan Gath, here, as well as Red Sonja's possession of MJ Watson in an issue of MTU."

To which, Jhaeman replied:
"I haven't heard of this, but it doesn't strike me as implausible either--I just assumed that neither Conan nor Red Sonja were canon since neither character is listed in the MCP at all (i.e., the only "Conan" is "Neal"). Maybe we should track down a dedicated Conan fan to get to work? :)"

Finally, Dimadick mentioned:
"Recent messages have refeared to the place of the Hyborian characters in the Marvel Universe.Though I don't know about any index of appearances for main characters like Conan and Sonja there are some for lesser characters in the "Appendix to the Marvel Handbook".It contains pages featuring the appearances of many obscure Hyborian characters,including Kulan Gath, in chronological order."

Okay, you guys are right: Conan is a part of the Marvel Universe, but there is no listing for Conan or Red Sonja or any of the other major characters from the Hyborian Age.  Strangely enough: I noticed you do have a listing for Kulan Gath, (the wizard who ends up in the present day in Xmen and Avengers issues) and below that, you have a minimal entry for Kull!  You even have in those two entries the abbreviations for Conan the Barbarian and Savage Sword of Conan, (which I can't find SSOC in the key).

So Jhaeman said: "maybe somebody needs to get to work".  Well, I can get to work this way: 

Starting in January of 1993, and running till the end of 1994, in the back of the Conan Saga magazine, (a reprint magazine that ran from the late 80's to the mid 90's) there was a running article basically called  "The Life and Times of Conan".  It was, (somewhat like the Official Marvel Index by Olshevsky...sorta) basically a complete listing in Chronological order of all Conan stories published up to that point in 1993.  I've been working on completing my Conan Saga collection, and now am only missing 1 issue from the 93 to 94 period, (and it shouldn't take me to long to track down).  I could use the Life and Times article to do a complete listing for Conan.  There's even a couple of special issues that run the complete chronology of Red Sonja and Kull, (up to that point in 94)!  Doing the lesser characters would be easy.  

But what about Conan stories published after 1994?  Simple.  1993 was when I started collecting Conan, so I have most of the issues from that period onward.  It helps, (from a chronologists point of view) that Conan titles were being cancelled left and right in the 90's.

Conan the Barbarian was cancelled in 93.

Conan the Adventurer, (it's sequel) was cancelled in 95

Conan, second series, was started in 95, cancelled in 96.

Savage Sword of Conan was cancelled in 95.

It's follow up magazine, Conan the Savage, was cancelled in 96.

Since then, Marvel has decided that all the Conan they'll do was 3 issue miniseries, which started in 97. There was only 6 or 7 miniseries, which stopped in 2000.  So there hasn't been that much Conan since 94, and I have many of those issues. I could work them in, with time.  But for now, I could start by just listing the issues in the order given in the "Life and Times of Conan" articles.

The difficult part will be verifying the chronology with the actual material, (but it's a start).  Just like the Marvel index has mistakes, I'm sure there are the occasional mistakes here as well.

I've collected a bunch of back issues over the years, so that I even have most of the early issues of Conan The Barbarian, and many issues of Savage Sword of Conan.  It also helps that I have most issues of Conan Saga, a reprint magazine.  

If anyone else has issues of Conan, or Savage Sword, and feels the could contribute, I'm all for contributions.  Right now, I'm just wanting to see if you're okay with listing this chronology, which comes straight from the minds behind Conan, such as Roy Thomas and others.

Let me know what you think.  

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Re: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
Posted by Andy Holcombe on February 19, 2003 at 13:06:51:
In Reply to: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
posted by Kevin  on February 19, 2003 at 10:50:38:

I'm not going to pretend to be a Conan expert.  I've read very few of his comic appearances and none of the novels.  Is this project going to include everything?  Books, movies, Marvel comics, non-Marvel comics?

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Re: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
Posted by Administrator on February 19, 2003 at 13:28:42:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
posted by Andy Holcombe on February 19, 2003 at 13:06:51:

The MCP would only include Marvel comics. Unless I'm mistaken, most, if not all, of the original stories have been adapted by Marvel.

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Re: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
Posted by Kevin  on February 19, 2003 at 14:16:49:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
posted by Administrator on February 19, 2003 at 13:28:42:

Yes, all of the original Howard stories and most of the "pastiche" novels written by later writers have been adopted into comic book format, so we would count the comics, but not the novels themselves, (similar to the discussion about "should we include the Xmen novels: the answer is No").

Andy,

To be more specific: the original Conan stories were written by Robert E. Howard, most of which were published in his lifetime.  Here's a list of his stories:

"The Frost Giant's Daughter" 
"The Tower of the Elephant" 
"The God in the Bowl" 
"Rogues in the House" 
"The Hall of the Dead" (synopsis - titled by L. Sprague de Camp) 
"The Hand of Nergal" (unfinished - titled by Lin Carter) 
"Queen of the Black Coast" 
"The Vale of the Lost Women" 
"The Snout in the Dark" (unfinished story fragment AND synopsis) 
"Xuthal of the Dusk" (also titled as "The Slithering Shadow") 
"Black Colossus" 
"The Man-Eaters of Zamboula" (also titled as "Shadows in Zamboula") 
"Iron Shadows in the Moon" (also titled "Shadows in the Moonlight") 
"The Devil in Iron" 
"The People of the Black Circle" 
"A Witch Shall Be Born" 
"The Pool of the Black One" 
"Red Nails" 
"Drums of Tombalku" (unfinished story fragment AND synopsis) 
"Jewels of Gwahlur" 
"Beyond the Black River" 
"The Black Stranger" (also titled "The Treasure of Tranicos") 
"Wolves Beyond the Border" (unfinished) 
"The Phoenix on the Sword" 
"The Scarlet Citadel" 
The Hour of the Dragon (novel) 

These stories serve as the foundation of the Conan universe and timeline, going from when he's a Barbarian youth in the frozen North, to when he finally, (around age 40) becomes King of Aqualonia, mightest of the Hyborean nations.

Later, after Howard's death, several authors started adding onto the Conan universe with their own stories, i.e. "pastiches".  In 1970, Roy Thomas got the rights to bring Conan to Marvel comics, and since then they've brought most of the Conan stories into comics.

The Conan Movies would be non-canon, just like the Xmen and Spiderman movies would be.  As for non Marvel Conan comic stories, I've heard rumors for years that other companies had taken shots at trying to do a Conan comic over the years, but no projects ever got off the ground, (besides, I think Marvel still has the rights). But like the Administrator said, this would be for Marvel comic version of Conan only.

By the way, What was interesting about Conan the Barbarian was that the stories went in chronological order, starting with shortly after he left his home, around age 15, and the stories progressively worked their way forward, so that by the time Conan the Barbarian was cancelled in 1993, Conan was in his early 30's.  The idea was to continue telling Conan stories right up till he turns 40 and takes the throne of Aqualonia. (His adventures didn't stop there though: there was a spinoff title named Conan the King in the early 80's which covered that period of his life). And yes, the King Conan title is in this "Life and Times of Conan" articles.  

Savage Sword of Conan was different: it skipped around to various points in his life, telling tales of his adventures in between the gaps of Conan the Barbarian.  My point is that unlike the slow progress of the rest of the Marvel Universe, with Conan we can see his entire life's story, going into his mid to late 50's.

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Conan the Barbarian
Posted by Dimadick on February 20, 2003 at 04:26:27:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition.  What do you say?
posted by Kevin  on February 19, 2003 at 14:16:49:

  Sounds like a plan.But actualy the stories also contain flash-backs to Conan's life earlier than his 15 year(His birth in a battlefield and various moments of his childhood).

   Also there is the Marvel version of "Conan of the Isles".This storie presents a greying Conan ,(in his sixties but he comments that you can't call him old till he turns seventy) quitting the throne of Aquilonia and leading one last expedition to the Western sea.At the end of the tale he is still heading West believing that there may be another continent in a West and the possibilitie to create a new kingdom.This storie end is also mentioned as the end of the Nemedian Chronicles on Conan(Conan's last chronological appearance).

  The Marvel comics so manage to cover his entire life.

  On the subject of Conan's life there is a chronology by William Galen Grey has created a chronology of all the stories, both Howard and pastiche which ignores the Marvel stories but may be helpful in getting them in order ass all of them have been addapted as Marvel stories at one time or another.It also estimates the characters' ages at the time of the stories.

The Conan chronology(Ages 16-60):

http://www.dodgenet.com/~moonblossom/timeline.htm

There is a similar chronology for King Kull by Dale E.Ripke based on Robert E. Howard and Lin Carter only sadly.The Kull chronology(Ages 16-44).:

http://www.dodgenet.com/~moonblossom/Ktime.html

See if this chronologies can help you or not and good luck as even Robert E. Howard himself wasn't sure about the chronological places of his stories.

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 19, 2003 at 19:59:13:
In Reply to: Conan the Barbarian: A proposition. What do you say? 
posted by Kevin on February 19, 2003 at 10:50:38:

Here's a Conan chronology I have. Not sure where from. It needs Red Sonja stuff added to it.

--COMIC CHRONOLOGY--
Conan the Barbarian 1 The Coming of Conan
Conan the Barbarian 232 Young Conan p1
Conan the Barbarian 233 Young Conan p2
Conan the Barbarian 234 Young Conan p3
Conan the Barbarian 235 Young Conan p4
Conan the Barbarian 236 Young Conan p5
Conan the Barbarian 237 Young Conan p6
Conan the Barbarian 238 Young Conan p7
Conan the Barbarian 239 Young Conan p8
Conan the Barbarian 240 Young Conan p9
Savage Sword of Conan 119 The Homecoming
Conan Saga 4 Night of the Dark God
Savage Sword of Conan 89 Rite of Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 203 Old Garrad's Heart
Savage Sword of Conan 227 Day of Manhood
Conan the Barbarian 8 The Keepers of the Crypt
Savage Sword of Conan 82 Hunters & The Hunted
Savage Sword of Conan 182 Matters of Life & Death
Conan the Barbarian 32 The Shadow in the Tomb
Conan the Barbarian 2 Lair of the Beast-Men
Conan the Barbarian 69 The Demon Out of the Deep
Savage Sword of Conan 39 Legions of the Dead
Conan the Barbarian 254 Havoc in Hyperborea (Flashback)
Conan the Barbarian 92 The Thing in the Crypt
Conan the Barbarian 3 The Twilight of the Grim Gray God
Savage Sword of Conan 180 The Tomb of Lost Visions
Savage Sword of Conan 174 The Red Stones
Conan the Barbarian 4 The Tower of the Elephant
Savage Sword of Conan 165 City of Rats
Savage Sword of Conan 99 One Night at the Maul
Savage Sword of Conan 100 When a God Lives
Savage Sword of Conan 84 The Darksome Demon of Raba-Than
Savage Sword of Conan 93 The World Beyond the Mists
Savage Sword of Conan 104 The Treachery of the Gray Wolf
Conan the Barbarian 5 Zukala's Daughter
Savage Sword of Conan 81 The Palace of Pleasure
Conan the Barbarian 6 Devil-Wings Over Shadizar
Marvel Graphic Novel The Horn of Azoth
Savage Sword of Conan 8 The Forever Phial
Conan the Barbarian 7 The Lurker Within
Savage Sword of Conan 118 The Valley of Howling Shadows
Savage Sword of Conan 161 Call of the Howling Shadows
Conan the Barbarian 8 The Keepers of the Crypt
Conan the Barbarian 9 The Garden of Fear
Conan the Barbarian 10 Beware the Wrath
Conan the Barbarian 11 Rogues in the House
Conan the Barbarian 12 Dweller in the Dark
Savage Sword of Conan 53 Conan & The Sorcerer p1
Savage Sword of Conan 54 Conan & The Sorcerer p2
Savage Sword of Conan 55 Conan & The Sorcerer p3
Savage Sword of Conan 56 The Sword of Skelos
Savage Sword of Conan 57 The Eye of Erlik
Savage Sword of Conan 58 For the Throne of Zamboula
Conan the Barbarian 116 The Crawler in the Mist
Savage Sword of Conan 100 The Gift
Savage Sword of Conan 91 The Beast
Savage Sword of Conan 77 The Cave Dwellers
Conan the Barbarian 13 Web of the Spider God
Savage Sword of Conan 120 The Star of Thamazhu
Conan the Barbarian 14 A Sword Called Stormbringer
Conan the Barbarian 15 The Green Empress of Melnibone
Savage Sword of Conan 80 The Dweller in the Depths
Savage Sword of Conan 123 The Secret of the Great Stone
Savage Sword of Conan 189 The Eye of the Storm
Savage Sword of Conan 176 The Three Deaths of Conan
Conan the Barbarian 17 The Gods of Bal-Sagoth
Conan the Barbarian 18 The Thing in the Temple
Conan the Barbarian 19 Hawks from the Sea
Conan the Barbarian 20 The Black Hound of Vengeance
Conan the Barbarian 21 The Monster of the Monoliths
Conan the Barbarian 23 Shadow of the Vulture
Conan the Barbarian 24 The Song of Red Sonja
Conan the Barbarian 25 The Mirrors of Kharam
Conan the Barbarian 26 The Hour of the Griffin
Conan the Barbarian 27 The Blood of Bel-Hissar
Conan the Barbarian 28 Moon of Zembabwei
Conan the Barbarian 29 Two Against Turan
Conan the Barbarian 30 The Hand of Nergal
Conan the Barbarian 32 The Shadow in the Tomb
Conan the Barbarian 32 Flame Winds of Lost Khitai p1
Conan the Barbarian 33 Flame Winds of Lost Khitai p2
Conan the Barbarian 34 Flame Winds of Lost Khitai p3
Conan the Barbarian 35 Hell-Spawn of Kara-Shehr
Savage Sword of Conan 153 Phantasm
Conan the Barbarian 36 Beware the Hyrkanians Bearing
Savage Sword of Conan 110 The Dinner Guest
Savage Sword of Conan 154 To Fight Another Day
Savage Sword of Conan 113 A Quiet Place
Savage Sword of Conan 59 City of Skulls
Conan the Barbarian 37 The Curse of the Golden Skull
Savage Sword of Conan 3 Demons of the Summit
Savage Sword of Conan 115 The Warlord of the Castle
Savage Sword of Conan 123 Debt of a Warrior
Conan the Barbarian 38 The Warrior and the Were-Woman
Conan the Barbarian 39 The Dragon from the Inland Sea
Savage Sword of Conan 207 Conan and the Spider God p1
Savage Sword of Conan 208 Conan and the Spider God p2
Savage Sword of Conan 209 Conan and the Spider God p3
Savage Sword of Conan 210 Conan and the Spider God p4
Conan Saga 80 The Trail of the Bloodstained God
Conan the Barbarian 40 The Fiend from the Forgotten City
Conan the Barbarian 41 The Garden of Death & Life
Conan the Barbarian 42 Night of the Gargoyle
Savage Sword of Conan 1 Curse of the Undead-Man
Savage Sword of Conan 1 Red Sonja
Conan the Barbarian 43 Tower of Blood
Conan the Barbarian 44 Of Flame & The Fiend
Conan Saga 10 The Secret of Skull River
Conan the Barbarian 45 The Last Ballad of Laza
Conan Saga 4 Night of the Dark God
Conan Saga 6 The Frost Giant's Daughter
Savage Sword of Conan 34 Lair of the Ice Worm
Conan the Barbarian 46 The Curse of the Conjurer
Conan the Barbarian 47 Goblins in the Moonlight
Conan the Barbarian 48 The Rats Dance
Conan the Barbarian 49 Wolf-Woman
Conan the Barbarian 50 The Dweller in the Pool
Conan the Barbarian 51 Man Born of Demon
Conan the Barbarian 52 The Altar & The Scorpion
Conan the Barbarian 53 Brothers of the Blade
Conan the Barbarian 54 The Oracle of Ophir
Conan the Barbarian 55 A Shadow on the Land
Conan the Barbarian 56 The Strange High tower in the Mist
Conan the Barbarian 57 Incident in Argos
Conan the Barbarian 58 Queen of the Black Coast
Conan the Barbarian 59 The Ballad of Belit
Conan the Barbarian 60 Riders of the River-Dragons
Conan the Barbarian 61 On the Track of the She-Pirate
Conan the Barbarian 62 Lord of the Lions
Conan the Barbarian 63 Death Among the Ruins
Conan the Barbarian 65 Fiends of the Feathered Serpeant
Conan the Barbarian 66 Dagger & Death-Gods
Conan Saga 085 Beware of the Sacred Sons of Set
Conan the Barbarian 67 Talons of the Man-Tiger
Conan Saga 086 The Battle of the Barbarians
Conan the Barbarian 68 Of Once & Future Kings
Conan the Barbarian 69 The Demon Out of the Deep
Conan the Barbarian 70 The City in the Storm
Conan the Barbarian 71 The Secret of Ashtoreth
Conan the Barbarian 72 Vengeance in Asgalun
Conan the Barbarian 73 He Who Waits
Conan the Barbarian 74 The Hawk-Riders of harakht
Conan the Barbarian 76 Swordless in Stygia
Conan the Barbarian 77 When Giants Walk the Earth
Conan the Barbarian 79 The Lost Valley of Iskander Jakten
Conan the Barbarian 80 Trial by Combat
Conan the Barbarian 81 The Eye of the Serpent
Conan the Barbarian 82 The Sorceress of the Swamp
Conan the Barbarian 83 The Dance of the Skull
Savage Sword of Conan 97 The Leopard Men of Darfar
Conan the Barbarian 84 Two Against the Hawk-City
Conan the Barbarian 85 The Swordsmen & The Sorcerer
Conan the Barbarian 86 The Devourer of the Dead
Conan the Barbarian 88 The Queen & The Corsairs
Conan the Barbarian 89 The Sword & The Serpent
Conan the Barbarian 90 The Diadem of Giant-Kings
Conan the Barbarian 91 Savage Doings in Shem
Conan the Barbarian 93 Rage & Revenge
Conan the Barbarian 94 The Beast-King of Abombi
Conan the Barbarian 95 The Return of Amra
Conan the Barbarian 96 The Long Night of Fang & Talon p1
Conan the Barbarian 97 The Long Night of Fang & Talon p2
Conan the Barbarian 98 Sea-Woman
Conan the Barbarian 99 Devil-Crabs of the Dark Cliffs
Conan the Barbarian 100 Death on the Black Coast
Conan the Barbarian 101 The Devil Has Many Legs
Conan the Barbarian 102 The Men Who Drink Blood
Conan the Barbarian 103 Bride of the Vampire
Conan the Barbarian 104 Vale of the Lost Women
Conan the Barbarian 105 The Castle of Terror
Conan the Barbarian 106 Chaos in the Land Called Kush
Conan the Barbarian 107 Demon of the Night
Conan the Barbarian 108 The Moon-Eaters of Darfar
Conan the Barbarian 109 Sons of the Bear God
Conan the Barbarian 110 Beware the Bear of Heaven
Conan the Barbarian 111 Cimmerian
Conan the Barbarian 112 Buryat Besieged
Conan the Barbarian 113 A Devil in the Family
Conan the Barbarian 114 The Shadow of the Beast
Conan the Barbarian 115 A War of Wizards
Conan the Barbarian 118 Valley of Forever Night
Conan the Barbarian 119 The Voice of One Long Gone
Conan the Barbarian 120 The Hand of Erlik
Conan the Barbarian 121 The Price of Perfection
Conan the Barbarian 122 The City Where Time Stood Still
Conan the Barbarian 123 The Horror Beneath the Hills
Conan the Barbarian 124 The Eternity War
Conan the Barbarian 125 The Witches of Nexxx
Conan the Barbarian 126 The Blood Red Eye of Truth
Conan the Barbarian 127 The Snow-Haired woman of the Wastes
Conan the Barbarian 128 And Life Sprang Forth From These
Conan the Barbarian 129 The Creation Quest
Conan the Barbarian 130 The Quest Ends
Conan the Barbarian 131 The Ring of Rhax
Conan the Barbarian 132 Games of Gharn
Conan the Barbarian 133 The Witch of Widnsor
Conan the Barbarian 134 A Witch in time
Conan the Barbarian 135 The Forest of the Night
Conan the Barbarian 136 The River of Death
Conan the Barbarian 137 Titan's Gambit
Conan the Barbarian 138 Isle of the Dead
Conan the Barbarian 139 In the Lair of the Damned
Conan the Barbarian 140 Spider Isle
Conan the Barbarian 141 The Web Tightens
Conan the Barbarian 142 The Maze, The Man, The Monster
Conan the Barbarian 143 Life Among the Dead
Conan the Barbarian 144 The Blade & The Beast
Conan the Barbarian 145 Son of Cimmeria
Conan the Barbarian 146 Night of the Three Sisters
Conan the Barbarian 147 Tower of Mitra
Conan the Barbarian 148 The Plague of Forlek
Conan the Barbarian 149 Deathmark
Conan the Barbarian 150 Tower of Flame
Conan the Barbarian 151 Vale of Death
Conan the Barbarian 152 The Dark Blade of Jergal Zadh
Conan the Barbarian 153 The Bird Men of Akah Ma'at
Conan the Barbarian 154 The Man-Bats of Ur-Xanrrh
Conan the Adventurer 8 Dark Night of the White Queen
Conan the Barbarian 155 The Anger of Conan
Conan the Barbarian 156 The Curse
Conan the Barbarian 157 The Wizard
Conan the Barbarian 158 Night of the Wolf
Conan the Barbarian 159 Cauldron of the Doomed
Conan the Barbarian 160 Veil of Darkness
Conan the Barbarian 161 House of Skulls
Conan the Barbarian 162 Destroyer in the Flame
Conan the Barbarian 163 Cavern of the Vines of Doom
Conan the Barbarian 164 Jeweled Sword of Tem
Conan the Barbarian 165 Temple of the Dragon
Conan the Barbarian 166 Blood of the Titan
Conan the Barbarian 167 The Creatures from Time's Dawn
Conan the Barbarian 168 The Bird Woman & The Beast
Conan the Barbarian 169 Tomb of the Scarlet Mage
Conan the Barbarian 170 Dominion of the Dead
Conan the Adventurer 10 Scorched Earth
Conan the Barbarian 186 The Crimson Brotherhood
Conan the Adventurer 9 Wrath of the Rambling God
Savage Sword of Conan 182 The Devourers
Savage Sword of Conan 185 The Masque of the Demon
Savage Sword of Conan 116 Isle of the Faceless Ones
Savage Sword of Conan 61 Wizard Fiend of Zingara
Savage Sword of Conan 36 Hawks Over Shem
Conan the Barbarian 262 Panther Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 185 Acts of Bravery
Savage Sword of Conan 71 The Lurker in the Labyrinth
Savage Sword of Conan 78 Demons of the Firelight p1
Savage Sword of Conan 79 Demons of the Firelight p2
Savage Sword of Conan 91 Forest of Fiends
Savage Sword of Conan 90 Devourer of Souls
Savage Sword of Conan 96 The Ape-Bat of Marmet Tarn
Savage Sword of Conan 108 Claws of the Osprey
Savage Sword of Conan 109 The Shatterer of Worlds
Savage Sword of Conan 98 The Blood Ruby of Death
Savage Sword of Conan 177 The Well of Whispers
Savage Sword of Conan 186 Horror Out of Time
Savage Sword of Conan 171 Hunter's Moon
Savage Sword of Conan 171? Barbarian Death Song
Conan the Barbarian 172 Reavers in the Borderland
Conan the Barbarian 173 Honor Among Thieves
Conan the Barbarian 174 Children of the Night
Conan the Barbarian 175 The Scarlet Personage
Conan the Barbarian 176 Argos Rain
Conan the Barbarian 177 Well of Souls
Conan the Barbarian 178 Death Hunt
Conan the Barbarian 179 The End of All There Is
Conan the Barbarian 180 Witches' Keep
Conan the Barbarian 181 Maddoc's Reign
Conan the Barbarian 182 Testament
Conan the Barbarian 183 Blood Dawn
Conan the Barbarian 184 Swords
Conan the Barbarian 185 Monument
Conan the Barbarian 187 Resurrection
Conan the Barbarian 188 The Killing Season
Conan the Barbarian 189 Rites of Inquisition
Conan the Barbarian 190 Exodus
Conan the Barbarian 191 Deliverance
Conan the Barbarian 192 Keeper
Conan the Barbarian 193 Shedu
Conan the Barbarian 194 Victory
Conan the Barbarian 195 Blood of Ages
Conan the Barbarian 196 The Beast
Conan the Barbarian 197 Stand
Conan the Barbarian 198 The River
Conan the Barbarian 199 Revelations in the Mist
Conan the Barbarian 200 The Fall of Acheron
Conan the Barbarian 201 Into the Black Pit
Conan the Barbarian 202 The Seven Lines of Thulsa Doom
Conan the Barbarian 203 Wrath of the Necromancer
Conan the Adventurer 11 Bride of the Oculist
Conan the Barbarian 204 Goblin!
Conan the Barbarian 205 Necropolis
Conan the Barbarian 206 Sands Upon the Earth
Conan the Barbarian 207 Community
Conan the Barbarian 208 Triad
Conan the Barbarian 209 Dark Horse
Conan the Barbarian 210 Storm
Conan the Barbarian 211 Narrow House
Conan the Barbarian 212 The Warrior's way
Conan the Barbarian 213 The Gate
Conan the Barbarian 214 City of Light
Conan the Barbarian 215 Death Pit
Conan the Barbarian 216 The Blade of Zed
Conan the Barbarian 217 Beneath the City of Shadows
Conan the Barbarian 218 Island Life
Conan the Barbarian 219 Devil's Gate
Conan the Barbarian 220 Blood & Ice
Conan the Barbarian 222 The Mask of Vengeance
Conan the Barbarian 223 The Wheel of Life & Death
Conan the Barbarian 224 He Who Hungers
Conan the Barbarian 225 Elixir of Darkness
Conan the Barbarian 226 The Shape in the Shadow
Conan the Barbarian 227 Catspaw
Conan the Barbarian 228 Red Teeth
Conan the Barbarian 229 Red Eyes
Conan the Barbarian 230 In the Land of the Lotus
Conan the Barbarian 231 The Burning Tower
Savage Sword of Conan 74 Lady of the Snows
Savage Sword of Conan 119 The Homecoming
Savage Sword of Conan 157 The Wrath of Crom
Savage Sword of Conan 64 Children of Rhan
Savage Sword of Conan 141 The Crimson Citadel
Savage Sword of Conan 142 Blind Vengeance
Savage Sword of Conan 188 The Endless River of Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 113 Quest for the Shrine of Luma
Savage Sword of Conan 101 The Siren
Marvel Graphic Novel The Skull of Set
Savage Sword of Conan 66 The Sea of No Return
Savage Sword of Conan 136 Seventh Isle of Doom
Savage Sword of Conan 80 Colossus of Argos
Savage Sword of Conan 116 The Boon
Savage Sword of Conan 108 The Fear of Crom
Marvel Graphic Novel The Witch Queen of Archeron
Savage Sword of Conan 117 The Winds of Aka Gaar
Savage Sword of Conan 117 The Opponents
Savage Sword of Conan 121 The Fountain of Umir
Savage Sword of Conan 216 The Vengeance of Nitocris
Savage Sword of Conan 155 Behind the Walls of Night
Savage Sword of Conan 158 Bane of the Dark Brotherhood
Savage Sword of Conan 130 The Autumn of the Witch
Savage Sword of Conan 105 The Mill
Savage Sword of Conan 159 The Wheel 
Savage Sword of Conan 162 The Horned God
Savage Sword of Conan 126 The Mercenary
Savage Sword of Conan 89 The Gamesmen of Asgalun
Savage Sword of Conan 111 The Mud Men of Keshan
Conan the Barbarian 241 All Roads Lead to Zamora
Conan the Barbarian 242 They Came to Castle Zukala
Conan the Barbarian 243 Dawn & Death-Gods
Conan the Barbarian 244 Fiends of the Flaming Mountains
Conan the Barbarian 245 Empire of the Undead
Conan the Barbarian 246 Chaos in Khoraja
Conan the Barbarian 247 The Sword That Conquers All
Conan the Barbarian 248 The Peril & The Prophecy
Savage Sword of Conan 2 Black Colossus
Conan the Barbarian 249 Red Wind
Conan the Barbarian 250 Chaos Beneath
Conan the Barbarian 251 On the Wings of Demons
Conan the Barbarian 87 At the Mountains of the Moon-God
Savage Sword of Conan 98 The Lady in the Tower
Savage Sword of Conan 181 The Rescue
Savage Sword of Conan 29 Child of Sorcery
Conan the Barbarian 252 The Dead of the Living Night
Conan the Barbarian 254 The Pit & The Parasite
Conan the Barbarian 255 Havoc in Hyperborea
Conan the Barbarian 256 Priests of the Purple Plague
Conan the Barbarian 257 Blood & Bones
Conan the Barbarian 258 Night Wings Over Nemedia
Conan the Barbarian 259 Savage Homecoming
Conan the Barbarian 260 The Mountain Where Crom Dwells
Conan the Barbarian 261 The Second Coming of Shuma-Gorath
Conan the Barbarian 262 Scarlet Tears
Conan the Barbarian 263 Panther's Blood
Conan the Barbarian 264 The Voice of Moloq
Conan the Barbarian 265 White Apes, Ebon Thrones p1
Conan the Barbarian 266 White Apes, Ebon Thrones p2
Conan the Barbarian 267 Silver Rain
Conan the Barbarian 268 The Changeling
Conan the Barbarian 269 Death Comes Creeping
Conan the Barbarian 270 When Mountains Walk
Conan the Barbarian 271 A Fire on the Lake
Conan the Barbarian 272 The Devourer Comes to Dark Valley
Conan the Barbarian 273 Lords of the Lotus
Conan the Barbarian 274 Demon Wings Over Zamora
Conan the Barbarian 275 Cry Kozak!
Savage Sword of Conan 218 When Turns the Wheel of Swords
Savage Sword of Conan 219 The Black Hound of Death
Savage Sword of Conan 220 Talons of Nergal
Savage Sword of Conan 221 Death Has Four Fingers
Marvel Graphic Novel The Ravagers Out of Time
Savage Sword of Conan 223 The Many Mirrors of Tuzun Thune
Savage Sword of Conan 224 Dragons of the Worlds Dawn
Savage Sword of Conan 226 Of Kings & Cataclysms
Savage Sword of Conan 226 Days of Worlds Ending
Savage Sword of Conan 226 Back from the Abyss
Savage Sword of Conan 229 Assault on Archeron
Savage Sword of Conan 223 Shall Python Fall
Savage Sword of Conan 231 Remembrance of Fires Past
Savage Sword of Conan 232 Reflection of Evil
Savage Sword of Conan 233 Here Be Monsters
Savage Sword of Conan 234 Family Skeletons
Savage Sword of Conan 235 Blood of Beasts
Savage Sword of Conan 131 Reavers of the Steppes
Savage Sword of Conan 110 The Army of the Dead
Savage Sword of Conan 160 Brothers
Savage Sword of Conan 4 Iron Shadows in the Moon
Savage Sword of Conan 62 Temple of the Tiger
Marvel Graphic Novel Conan the Reaver
Savage Sword of Conan 38 The Road of the Eagles
Marvel Graphic Novel Conan the Rogue
Savage Sword of Conan 223 The Feeders from the Skies
Savage Sword of Conan 5 A Witch Shall Be Born
Savage Sword of Conan 6 The Sleeper Beneath the Sands
Savage Sword of Conan 58 The Mirror of the Manticore
Savage Sword of Conan 7 The Citadel at the Center of Time
Savage Sword of Conan 9 The Curse of the Cat-Goddess
Savage Sword of Conan 76 Dominion of the Bat
Savage Sword of Conan 87 The Armor of Zulda Thaal
Savage Sword of Conan 88 Isle of the Hunter
Savage Sword of Conan 91 The Chain
Savage Sword of Conan 183 The Decapitating God
Savage Sword of Conan 63 Moat of Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 102 The Iron Lions of Kharamun
Savage Sword of Conan 35 Black Tears
Savage Sword of Conan 11 The Abode of the Damned
Savage Sword of Conan 12 The Haunters of Castle Crimson
Savage Sword of Conan 28 Blood of the Gods
Savage Sword of Conan 65 The Fangs of the Serpent
Savage Sword of Conan 14 Shadows in Zamboula
Savage Sword of Conan 211 The God of Thieves
Savage Sword of Conan 212 The Blood of Bel
Savage Sword of Conan 44 The Star of Khorala
Savage Sword of Conan ??? Lion of the Steppes
Savage Sword of Conan 37 Son of the White Wolf
Savage Sword of Conan 189 What Can One Man Do?
Savage Sword of Conan 146 Blood Circus
Savage Sword of Conan 47 Vulture's Shadow
Savage Sword of Conan 148 Besieger of Cities
Savage Sword of Conan 149 Slaves of the Circle
Savage Sword of Conan 150 Call to the Slain
Savage Sword of Conan 151 Fury of the Near-Men
Savage Sword of Conan 152 Valley Beyond the Stars
Savage Sword of Conan 153 Blood on the Sand
Savage Sword of Conan 154 Return of the Iron Damsels
Savage Sword of Conan 15 The Devil in Iron
Savage Sword of Conan 31 The Flame Knife
Savage Sword of Conan 32 The Ghouls of Yanaidar
Savage Sword of Conan 165 City of Rats
Savage Sword of Conan 111 In the Eye of the Beholder
Savage Sword of Conan 85 Daughter of the God-King
Savage Sword of Conan 86 Revenge of the Sorcerer
Savage Sword of Conan 114 The Toll
Savage Sword of Conan 16 People of the Black Circle
Savage Sword of Conan 17 On to Yimsha
Savage Sword of Conan 18 The Battle of the Towers
Savage Sword of Conan 19 Vengeance in Vendhya
Savage Sword of Conan 179 What Dwells Below
Savage Sword of Conan 95 Night of the Rat
Savage Sword of Conan 175 Blade of the Demon Slayer
Savage Sword of Conan 103 The White Tiger
Savage Sword of Conan 173 A Tomb for the Living
Savage Sword of Conan 109 The Vezek Inn
Savage Sword of Conan 125 At the Altar of the Goat God
Savage Sword of Conan 118 Alchemy
Savage Sword of Conan 112 A Dream of Empire
Savage Sword of Conan 156 Rogue's Honor
Savage Sword of Conan 181 The Face of God
Savage Sword of Conan 128 Curse of the Ageless Ones
Savage Sword of Conan 164 The Slithering God
Savage Sword of Conan 132 Master of the Broadsword
Savage Sword of Conan 188 The Power of Honor
Savage Sword of Conan 20 The Slithering Shadow
Savage Sword of Conan 21 The Horror from the Red Tower
Savage Sword of Conan 178 Pillar of the Sky
Savage Sword of Conan 144 The Waiting Doom
Savage Sword of Conan 145 Feast of the Stag
Savage Sword of Conan 114 Riddle of the Demuzaar
Savage Sword of Conan 99 The Informer
Savage Sword of Conan 45 The Gem in the Tower
Savage Sword of Conan 227 Treasure (Text Story)
Savage Sword of Conan 190 The Skull on the Seas
Savage Sword of Conan 191 Jade Coils in Black Khemi
Savage Sword of Conan 192 The Cape of Dark Dreams
Savage Sword of Conan 193 Death in a Land Unknown
Savage Sword of Conan 194 The Witch-Queen of Yamatai
Savage Sword of Conan 195 Thunder Beneath Yamatai
Savage Sword of Conan 196 The Devourer of the Dead
Savage Sword of Conan 197 A Night in Messantia
Savage Sword of Conan 198 The Soul Eater
Savage Sword of Conan 199 Treachery on Tortage
Savage Sword of Conan 202 The Sword and the Scythe
Savage Sword of Conan 203 Mauraders in Meroe
Savage Sword of Conan 204 Drums & Death Out of Tombalku
Savage Sword of Conan 205 Kheshatta
Savage Sword of Conan 206 When Wizards Make War
Savage Sword of Conan 71 Revenge of the Barbarian
Savage Sword of Conan 73 The Changeling Quest
Savage Sword of Conan 122 The Blossoms of the Black Lotus
Savage Sword of Conan 75 The Temple of the Twelve-Eyed Thing
Savage Sword of Conan 82 Devil in the Dark p1
Savage Sword of Conan 83 Devil in the Dark p2
Savage Sword of Conan 22 The Pool of the Black One
Savage Sword of Conan 23 Torrent of Doom
Savage Sword of Conan 129 The Sea Mage's Daughter
Savage Sword of Conan 67 Plunder of Death Island
Savage Sword of Conan 94 Death Dwarves of Stygia
Savage Sword of Conan 40 A Dream of Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 41 The Quest for the Cobra Crown
Savage Sword of Conan 42 The Devil-Trees of Gamburu
Savage Sword of Conan 43 King Thoth-Amon
Savage Sword of Conan 68 Black Cloaks of Ophir
Savage Sword of Conan 69 Eye of the Sorcerer
Savage Sword of Conan 225 Swords of Sukhmet
Conan Saga 9 Red Nails
Conan Saga 9 The Thing from the Catacombs
Savage Sword of Conan 211 The Gods Above
Savage Sword of Conan 212 To Live As GodsTo Die as Men
Savage Sword of Conan 213 Death Has Four Corners
Savage Sword of Conan 215 When Wakes the Golden Serpent
Savage Sword of Conan 217 When Walks the Living Wind
Savage Sword of Conan 25 Jewels of Gwahlur
Savage Sword of Conan 60 The Ivory Goddess
Savage Sword of Conan 184 Disciple
Savage Sword of Conan 127 Reunion in Scarlet
Savage Sword of Conan 124 There Will Come a Dark Stranger
Savage Sword of Conan 187 Blood Bond
Savage Sword of Conan 92 The Jeweled Bird
Savage Sword of Conan 106 Feud of Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 107 The Eyes of G'Bharr Rjinn
Savage Sword of Conan 170 Emerald Lust
Savage Sword of Conan 179 The Fury of Iron Damsels
Savage Sword of Conan 133 Winter of the Wolf
Savage Sword of Conan 134 Cursers of the Light
Savage Sword of Conan 163 Code of the Wolf
Savage Sword of Conan 172 Swarm of the Bogwitch Myrheksa
Savage Sword of Conan 135 Three Lives for N'Garthl
Savage Sword of Conan 112 Mitra Defend Us
Savage Sword of Conan 137 The Lost Legion
Savage Sword of Conan 138 Lair of the Lizard God
Savage Sword of Conan 139 The Garden of Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 140 The Girl of the Haunted Wood
Savage Sword of Conan 143 Blood and Honour
Savage Sword of Conan 26 Beyond the Black River
Savage Sword of Conan 27 The Children of Jhebbel Sag
Savage Sword of Conan 46 Moon of Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 201 The Man in the Iron Tower
Savage Sword of Conan 47 Treasure of Tranicos
Savage Sword of Conan 48 A Wind Blows from Stygia
Savage Sword of Conan 59 Wolves Beyond the Border
Savage Sword of Conan 76 Demons of Ghost Swamp
Savage Sword of Conan 49 When Madness wears the Crown
Savage Sword of Conan 50 Swords Across the Alimane
Savage Sword of Conan 51 Satyrs Blood
Savage Sword of Conan 52 Conan the Liberator
Savage Sword of Conan 214 The Reign of Thaulandra Thuu
Conan the Barbarian Annual 2? The Phoenix on the Sword
Savage Sword of Conan 226 Dawn of the Phoenix
Savage Sword of Conan 205 Haunter of the Ring
Savage Sword of Conan 30 TheScarlet Citadel
Conan Saga 22 The Hour of the Dragon
Conan Saga 22 Conan Bound
Conan Saga 23 To Tarantia- and the Tower
Conan Saga 24 Swords of the South
Savage Sword of Conan 8 Corsairs Against Stygia
Savage Sword of Conan 10 Conan the Conqueror
Conan Saga 67 Return of the Conqueror
Conan Saga 68 Bride of the Conqueror
King Conan 5 Ring of Rakhamom
King Conan 6 Vengeance from the Desert
King Conan 7 A Clash of Kings
King Conan 8 A Queen Reclaimed
Savage Sword of Conan 166 The Blood of Brothers
Savage Sword of Conan 167 Spirit of the Beast
Savage Sword of Conan 168 The God Below
Savage Sword of Conan 169 Brothers of the Skull
Savage Sword of Conan 177 The Tie that Binds
Conan the King 22 (Page 20?) The Black Dragons
King Conan 1 The Witch of the Mists
King Conan 2 The Black Sphinx of Nebthu
King Conan 3 Red Moon of Zembabwei
King Conan 4 Shadows in the Skull
King Conan 9 Bones of theBrown Man
King Conan 10 The Fang of Set
King Conan 11 The Haunter of the Cenotaph
King Conan 12 The Tombs under Tarantia
King Conan 13 Circle of Sorcery
King Conan 14 Kings of Fire and Darkness
King Conan 15 The Looters of R'Shann
King Conan 16 Blood of Aquilonia
King Conan 17 A Tyrant in Amber
King Conan 18 The Devil of Dafar
King Conan 19 Bones and a Blade
King Conan 20 The Prince IS dead
Conan the King 21 Shadows
Conan the King 21 Conan~Son of the Barbarian King pt1
Conan the King 22 The Black Dragons
Conan the King 22 Conan~Son of the Barbarian King pt2
Conan the King 23 Ordeal
Conan the King 23 Conan~Son of the Barbarian King pt3
Conan the King 24 Fragments~A Witches Tale
Conan the King 24 Conan~Son of the Barbarian King pt4
Conan the King 25 Daggers
Conan the King 25 Conan~Son of the Barbarian King pt5
Conan the King 26 Passages
Conan the King 26 Conan~Son of the Barbarian King pt6
Conan the King 27 A Death in Stygia
Conan the King 28 Call of the Wild
Conan the King 50 Nightwinds
Conan the King 51 Night Justice
Conan the King 51 Conan~Son of Barbarian King pt7
Conan the King 52 Night of Vengeance
Conan the King 52 Kirakhan
Conan the King 53 Night War
Conan the King 54 Night Hunt
Conan the King 53 Tsinge~Nushan
Conan the King 54 Untitled
Conan the King 55 The Sword of the Elder Gods
Conan the King 55 Nightmare
Conan the King 29 The Sleeping Loin
King Conan 30 Revenge on the Black River
King Conan 31 Force of Arms
Conan the King 32 Juggernaut
Conan the King 33 Day of Wrath
Conan the King 34 Harvest of Death
Conan the King 35 The Ravaged Land
Conan the King 36 The Road to Empire
Conan the King 37 The Sack of Belverus
Conan the King 38 Crossroads
Conan the King 39 The Tower
King Conan 40 Of Sorcery and Steel
King Conan 41 The Blood of the Serpent
Conan the King 42 The Armada
King Conan 43 Conquest
Conan the King 44 The Spoils of Victory
Conan the King 45 Caliastros
Conan the King 46 The Warlord of Koth
Conan the King 47 Of Death and the Dreamer
Conan the King 48 The Winter of Discontent
Conan the King 49 Treachery
Marvel Graphic Novel Conan of the Isles

--NOVEL & SHORT STORY CHRONOLOGY--
Conan the Swordsman Legions of the Dead
Conan The Thing in the Crypt
Conan the Defiant
Conan the Hunter
Conan the Indomitable
Conan the Free Lance
Conan the Formidable
Conan The Tower of The Elephant
Conan & The Sorcerer
Conan the Mercenary
Conan: The Sword of Skelos
Conan the Outcast
Conan the Magnificent
Conan the Invincible
Conan The Hall of the Dead
Conan the Fearless
Conan the Warlord
Conan Rogues in the House
Conan The God in the Bowl
Conan the Victorious
Conan the Champion
Conan the Unconquered
Conan The Hand of Nergal
Conan The City of Skulls
Conan the Hero
Conan the Swordsman The People of the Summit
Conan of Cimmeria The Curse of the Monolith
Conan the Valiant
Conan & The Spider God
Conan of Cimmeria The Bloodstained God
Conan the Valorous
Conan of Cimmeria The Frost Giant's Daughter
Conan of Cimmeria The Lair of the Ice Worm
Conan the Relentless
Conan the Savage
Conan the Defender
Conan: The Road of Kings
Conan the Triumphant
Conan the Guardian
Conan of Cimmeria Queen of the Black Coast - Chapter 1
Conan the Rebel
Conan of Cimmeria Queen of the Black Coast - Chapters 2-5
Conan at the Demon's Gate
Conan of Cimmeria The Vale of Lost Women
Conan of Cimmeria The Castle of Terror
Conan of Cimmeria The Snout in the Dark
Conan the Gladiator
Conan & The Emerald Lotus
Conan the Freebooter Hawks Over Shem
Conan the Freebooter Black Colossus
Conan the Freebooter Shadows in the Dark
Conan the Renegade
Iron Shadows in the Moon Shadows in the Moonlight
Conan of the Red Brotherhood
Conan: Scourge of the Bloody Coast
Conan the Freebooter The Road of the Eagles
Conan the Freebooter A Witch Shall Be Born
Conan the Wanderer Black Tears
Conan & The Manhunters
Conan the Wanderer Shadows in Zamboula
Conan the Raider
Conan the Swordsman The Star of Khorala
Conan & The Death Lord of Thanza
Conan & The Amazon
Conan the Wanderer The Devil in Iron
Conan the Wanderer The Flame Knife
Conan & The Shaman's Curse
Conan the Adventurer The People of the Black Circle
Conan the Marauder
Conan & The Mists of Doom
Conan the Adventurer The Slithering Shadow
Conan the Adventurer Drums of Tombalku
Conan the Swordsman The Gem in the Tower
Conan the Adventurer The Pool of the Black One
Conan the Buccaneer
Conan the Warrior Red Nails
Conan & The Gods of the Mountain
Conan the Warrior Jewels of Gwahlur
Conan the Swordsman The Ivory Goddess
Conan & The Treasure of Python
Conan: Lord of the Black River
Conan the Rogue
Conan the Warrior Beyond the Black River
Echoes of Valor The Black Stranger
Conan the Swordsman Moon of Blood
Conan the (Marvel)urper The Treasure of Tranicos
Conan the (Marvel)urper Wolves Beyond the Border
Conan the Liberator
Conan the (Marvel)urper The Phoenix on the Sowrd
Conan the (Marvel)urper The Scarlet Citadel
Conan the Conqueror
Conan the Avenger
Conan the Great
Conan of Aquilonia The Witch of the Mists
Conan of Aquilonia Black Sphinx of Nebthu
Conan of Aquilonia Red Moon of Zembabwei
Conan of Aquilonia Shadows in the Skull
Conan of the Isles

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Kevin  on February 20, 2003 at 09:03:58:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 19, 2003 at 19:59:13:

> Here's a Conan chronology I have. Not sure where from.  It needs Red Sonja stuff added to it.

*Shocked* 

...Where did you get this from? I searched all over the web to see if someone had adopted this already, and I couldn't find it anywhere.

Still, this version is filled with mistakes.  For instance, it lists Conan the Barbarian #8 early in the chronology, but it doesn't list that that scene is a flashback.  In fact, it doesn't differentiate between what is flashback and what isn't.  It also has some mistakes: for instance, I saw Conan Saga listed in there in a few places. Conan Saga is a reprint magazine, which had no new material.  Furthermore, it has the Conan the Adventurer title in a few spots, but they're placed much later than they're suppposed to go, and the titles to the stories from those issues of CTA are wrong.  It also looks to have been made back in 1994, when the "Life and Times" article was wrapping up, and since Conan the Adventurer was being published that year, they tried to add some stuff in.  I say that cause I do notice that nothing after 1995 is on the list.  Still, it looks like a rough translation of the whole "Life and Times of Conan" article series.  

Still, I could work on adapting the chronology correctly from my own looking over the articles, (and from double checking with the issues I actually have, and I have many).  Is this okay folks?

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 20, 2003 at 09:56:43:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Kevin  on February 20, 2003 at 09:03:58:

> Still, I could work on adapting the chronology correctly from my own looking over the articles, (and from double checking with the issues I actually have, and I have many).  Is this okay folks?

I'd LOVE to see a complete (or even semi-complete) Marvel Conan chronology.

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Administrator on February 20, 2003 at 17:07:55:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Kevin  on February 20, 2003 at 09:03:58:

> ...Where did you get this from? I searched all over the web to see if someone had adopted this already, and I couldn't find it anywhere.

In January, 2001, Antonio Gavio posted a Conan chronology here. You can find it in Posting Board Archive #6.

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Kevin  on February 21, 2003 at 07:50:39:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Administrator on February 20, 2003 at 17:07:55:

Hmmm, I don't have a zip disk.  That's why I never get to go through all the wonderfully history filled archives. :) Is what he posted the list given by Jimmy Flowers in this thread above?  Or something else entirely?  

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Administrator on February 21, 2003 at 17:26:42:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Kevin  on February 21, 2003 at 07:50:39:

You don't need a zip disk. What you *do* need is some sort of unarchiving program capable of extracting from zip files (for instance, Winzip from www.winzip.com). Download and install Winzip (assuming you're on Windows...there are comparable programs for every platform).

If your web browser is set up to recognize Winzip, it will automatically unzip the file when you click on it at our archive page.

If your web browser is not set up to recognize Winzip, your browser will ask what do you want to do with the file you just clicked on. Tell your browser to save the file to your hard disk. Then run Winzip and unzip the file. Then use your favorite text editor (or web browser) to read it.

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Kevin  on February 22, 2003 at 10:14:25:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Administrator on February 21, 2003 at 17:26:42:

Okay, it didn't quite work. I got this message:

"Message WZ50

An error occurred opening, writing to, closing, or deleting the specified file.  Possible causes include a misspelled filename, a full disk, a read-only or locked disk, or a read-only or locked file.  The operation in progress will be aborted.  Another dialog box with more specific information may be displayed.

This message may also be displayed because of an invalid archive.  For example, if an archive is damaged (possibly due to line noise while downloading from a BBS) it may contain invalid pointers or corrupted header information."

Now granted, I tried opening it on the library I'm at, using their computer.  I'll try again on my new home computer, which I'll hopefully find time to install over the next 2-3 days.  The reason I posted that message is because of the message which says: "may be an invalid archive".  I figured I'd better bring that to your attention.

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Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
Posted by Administrator on February 22, 2003 at 14:12:05:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Kevin  on February 22, 2003 at 10:14:25:

Thanks for the alert. It's not a bad archive. I downloaded and saved it to my hard disk, then used Winzip to unzip it. Worked fine.

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Conan, an Update!
Posted by Kevin  on February 26, 2003 at 08:39:17:
In Reply to: Re: Conan the Barbarian <-- A CHRONOLOGY INSIDE MESSAGE
posted by Administrator on February 22, 2003 at 14:12:05:

Okay, I finally got the old archives to work, (takes me forever to figure out internet technology sometimes).  I checked and saw the chronology listed by Antonio in Jan. 2001.  It's very similar to the list posted in this same thread by Jimmy Flowers, and similar to the link given by John McDonagh, (though all 3 have variations).  From what I can tell, all these list have the exact same source:  Apparently the one and only Roy Thomas had the original list (as originally presented in Conan Saga) up on his website a few years back.  I'm hearing from people that this website no longer exists.  

Does anyone by chance know if Roy Thomas still has a website out there somewhere, (not just for Conan purposes, but for other Roy Thomas purposes)?  The guy wrote tons of Marvel comics after all.

Anyway, it's not something I have ready right now, but perhaps at a later date, I could start to contribute a Conan chronology for the MCP.  I think it's make for a good addition.  

So far, all we have from the Hyborian Age listed is Kulan Gath.  I can also think of many other characters from then that would probably warrant an addition, such as:

Red Sonja
Kull
Zula

And what about those famous lovers of Conan:
Belit
Valeria
Zenobia

And then there's those evil wizards he keeps fighting:
Thoth Amon
Thulsa Doom
Xaltotun

Of course, these would just be pet projects for a much later date.

Stay tuned!

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MADAME MASQUE...MADAME MASQUE III...MADAME MENACE
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 19, 2003 at 16:55:37:

new entries marked **

MADAME MASQUE/GIULIETTA KRISTINA NEFARIA/"WHITNEY FROST"/BIG M/"KRISSY LONGFELLOW"
IM 139
**IM 190 (beside Obadiah Stane Pg 16/4-16/5)
**IM 194 (with Stane pg 16/4  16/5)
**IM 195 (pg 9/2  9/4)
IM 198
**IM 200 (Pg 6/3)
IM 201
IM 203

MADAME MASQUE III
**IM 320
IM 321
IM 322

MADAME MENACE/SUNSET BAIN
IM@ 11
**S-M 26 
IM3 1

Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 

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Which of the Marvel/DC are canon?
Posted by Jason M. Doty on February 19, 2003 at 23:20:51:

Has anyone discussed which Marvel/DC crossover comics are canon, and will they be added to the project?

Here is a list I'm sure are not canon:

Superman vs. Spider-man (1976)
Batman vs. the Incredible Hulk (1981)
Amazing Spider-man and Superman (1981)
Uncanny X-Men and the New Teen Titans (1982)
Punisher/Batman: Lake of Fire (1994)
Batman/Punisher: Deadly Knights (1994)
Galactus vs. Darksied: The Hunger (1995)
Spider-man/Batman (1995)
Batman and Captain America (1996)
Batman/Spider-man (1997)
Daredevil/Batman (1997)
Batman/Daredevil (1999)
Incredible Hulk vs. Superman (1999)

Now here are the ones I believe are canon:

Green Lantern/Silver Surfer (1995)
DC vs. Marvel no.1
Marvel vs. DC no.2
Marvel vs. DC no.3
DC vs. Marvel no.4
( I'm pretty sure all the Amalgam titles happen between the Marvel vs. DC crossover)
All Access no. 1-4
Silver Surfer/Superman (1997)
Unlimited Access no.1-4
Superman/Fantastic Four (1999)

Any comments? Thanks Doty 

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Re: Which of the Marvel/DC are canon?
Posted by JLH on February 27, 2003 at 01:59:26:
In Reply to: Which of the Marvel/DC are canon?
posted by Jason M. Doty on February 19, 2003 at 23:20:51:

> Batman/Punisher: Deadly Knights (1994)

This one... it may not be canon, but it actually DID have some repercussions in Punisher later on. As we see in this team-up, Jigsaw has his face restored. Punisher, of course, ends up messing it up again. When next Jigsaw appears, in Punisher Vol. 3, he has the "new" face he gained in the team-up, with stitches all over. The "new" face is still, more or less, 'prettier' than Jiggy's earlier multi-mangled face. It all ties into the fact that Jigsaw was once a mafioso named Billy "The Beaut" Russo, as explained in the "Punisher: Year One" mini.

One thing's for sure, "Punisher/Archie: When Worlds Collide", IS canon... for whatever canon the Punisher/Batman team-ups are from!

JLH

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Chronology entry corrections: A-F
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 20, 2003 at 10:14:38:

ANOMALY and ANOMALY III should probably be considered the same entity, or different manifestations of the same entity.

APOCALYPSE: since C&P 1-4 are set in an alternate future, they ought to removed or, ideally, be placed in a seperate entry for the Apocalypse of Cable's timeline.

BAPTISTE, MATTIE and TANTE MATTIE are the same character; she ought to be listed as TANTE MATTIE/MATTIE BAPTISTE.

BLACK MOUNTAIN/KUROYAMA and KUROYAMA are the same character.

BLASTING CAP I & II are the same character.

BLOCKBUSTER II and HEAT-RAY are the same character.

BLOOD WRAITH and BLOODWRAITH are the same character.

BROWSER is actually named "Bowser", with only one R.

COMMCAST and GARABED/BASHUR are the same character, Garabed Bashur being his real name.

CUTTER: Should be listed as CUTTER, JAINE, as seen in all of her H:PL appearances.

DIAMONDBACK and STRYKER, WILLIS are the same character.

DOMINO and DOMINO II are the same character, as confirmed in the first USAgent miniseries.

EMPRESS R'KILL: H2 419-BTS should actually be H2 419-FB-BTS and should be placed prior to FF 206 (the flashback is set fairly soon after the Kree/Skrull War).

ENCHANTER: is actually MAHA YOGI.

EON and EPOCH: WIW 1 and CM5 14-FB should be considered appearances for Epoch, not Eon (even though s/he's erroneously referred to as Eon in the latter).

ERIC THE RED II: this is actually Magneto.  (For that matter, this should be Eric the Red III, since Cyclops used that identity first, in UX 51-52.)

ESSEX: this is actually Mr. Sinister.

FABRICANT: in most of the character's other appearances it's actually spelled "Fabrikant", with a K.

FAITH and FATH are the same character (the former spelling is incorrect).

FANTASIA and FANTASMA are the same character.

FERA and FEROCIA are the same character.

FRANKENSURFER/BORGO: the Frankensurfer from SS 7 is a separate character from Borgo, who doesn't appear as "Frankensurfer" until DRSTR3 37.  The revised chronologies for the two would read:

FRANKENSURFER
SS 7
DRSTR3 37-FB

FRANKENSURFER II/BORGO
SS 7
DRSTR3 37-FB
DRSTR3 37

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Chronology entry corrections: G-R
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 20, 2003 at 10:25:56:
In Reply to: Chronology entry corrections: A-F
posted by Sean Curtin on February 20, 2003 at 10:14:38:

More corrections:

GLADIATOR: the Gladiator from DD 366-367 and DD/SM 1-4 are a new character.  (Actually, it's *possible* that the Gladiator from DD/SM 1-4 is a completely *different* Gladiator...)

GLASS and SACK are the same character.

HEADHUNTER: the Headhunter from W2 167 is a completely different character (unless she got a sex change, gained 200 pounds, and changed her ethnicity and nationality).

HEMINGWAY and PAIN are the same character.

KANDRA: is actually named Kindra.

KARIM, MERYET is the SPHINX II.

KATH and KATU are the same character (the latter spelling is correct, though since the comics have used both, a cross-reference ought to be included).

MASTERMIND III & V are the same character.

MERLIN and MERLYN: I'm of the opinion that these are the same character; the co-existence of Avalon and Otherworld seems to implicitly confirm this.

MIDGET and SCINTILLA are the same character; she was never actually called Midget on panel, so she should be listed under the latter.

MR. FEAR V: I'm 99% sure that this is the same person as MR. FEAR III.

MYSTIQUE/RAVEN DARKHOLME: according to the MCP, she's in UX 337, but I don't see her anywhere in that issue.  Maybe someone mistook the shape-changing Harper for Mystique?

NEUTRON and QUASAR II are the same character.

NIGHTCRAWLER/KURT WAGNER: the reference to X@ 4-FB should actually be UX@ 4-FB.

NINGAL: does not appear in CHAMBER OF CHILLS 4.

NOVA OMEGA and SUPER-NOVA are the same character.

OSBORN, NORMAN AMBERSON: first appears in PPTSS@ 14-FB, but I'm not sure where that fits in his chronology.

OSNICK, OLLIE and STEEL SPIDER are the same character.

OWAYODATA and WOLF GOD are the same character.

PARADOX and STRANGE are the same character.

POWERHOUSE II & IV are the same character.

RED GUARDIAN IV & V: I believe these are the same character...

RINGMASTER: the Ringmaster is CA COMICS 5 is actually Maynard Tiboldt's father Fritz.  Both Ringmasters appear in XFOR -1.  Taking that into account, the Ringmasters' chronologies:

RINGMASTER/FRITZ TIBOLDT
CA COMICS 5
XFOR -1

RINGMASTER II/MAYNARD TIBOLDT
XFOR -1
H 3
(etc.)

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Chronology entry corrections: S-Z
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 20, 2003 at 10:33:57:
In Reply to: Chronology entry corrections: G-R
posted by Sean Curtin on February 20, 2003 at 10:25:56:

Still more corrections:

SLICE and SPLICE are the same character (should be the latter).

SLIDE and SLYDE are the same character (again, should be the latter).

SNOW and VESSEL are the same character.

STAR-STALKER: the Star-Stalker in PP 56-57 is a new Star-Stalker (the son of the original, IIRC).

STEEL SERPENT: there are actually two Steel Serpents:

STEEL SERPENT/
DHKF 10-FB
DHKF 10

STEEL SERPENT II/DAVOS
IF 1
IF 15
M/TU 63
NW2 5

STEEL VENGEANCE and STEEL WIND are, in fact, separate characters.

STONE-FACE and STONEFACE are the same character.

SUPREME COMMANDER and VOLKHVY are the same character.

TOMAZOOMA: the Tomazooma from FF 80 is a robot, built in the likeness of the god who appears in T 300; they should have separate entries.

VANESSA: this is actually Copycat.

WIZARD/BENTLEY WHITMAN: UTSM 6 is listed as a -BTS appearance, but he appears in person and on panel.

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Wow!
Posted by Jhaeman on February 20, 2003 at 10:43:53:
In Reply to: Chronology entry corrections: S-Z
posted by Sean Curtin on February 20, 2003 at 10:33:57:

That's damned impressive!  Good job!

Jhaeman
Comics That Time Forgot:  http://www.geocities.com/jhaeman

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Re: Wow!
Posted by OnionMan on February 20, 2003 at 16:47:44:
In Reply to: Wow!
posted by Jhaeman on February 20, 2003 at 10:43:53:

Agreed indeed! I hope these (and other) corrections will be verified and incorporated to the MCP.

Good job! :)

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Re: Wow!
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 21, 2003 at 12:43:09:
In Reply to: Wow!
posted by Jhaeman on February 20, 2003 at 10:43:53:

> That's damned impressive!  Good job!

Thanks!

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Good Conan chronology site
Posted by John McDonagh on February 20, 2003 at 15:55:09:

http://www.geocities.com/conancomicchronology/conanfour.html
reprodces a good chronology of the stories. 

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Hulk's Return from Secret Wars I
Posted by captamr on February 21, 2003 at 11:28:01:

Probably just a misprint, but when the Hulk returns from the Secret Wars I he becomes Bruce Banner once more briefly in H2 295, then never again for almost a year. It is this interlude where Bruce can possibly help Reed Richards search to cure Sue of radiation poisoning in FF 266  FF 268. Bruce is without crutch and not quite as far along in his transformation to complete monster but this is the only possible place in continuity.

Corrected chronology:

HULK
H2 295
FF266 
FF 267
FF 268
H2 295
H2 296
H2 297
H2 288

The Hulk returns to free Dr. Kate Waynesborough, long time girlfriend, lab assistant, and Shield agent  no listing??

Charlie

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Chronology additions: A
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 21, 2003 at 13:33:36:

Using Arthur Stein's notation of an asterisk for new or updated appearances:

ABSALOM
**XFOR 37-FB
GAM3 14
XFOR 10
**XFOR 36
**XFOR 37
XFOR 52-BTS

ALCHEMIST/CHANDU (should probably only be listed under CHANDU)
**DEF 11
A@ 22

AMAZON
**HFH 11
HFH 12
Likewise, the rest of the Master's Strikeforce One (BEHEMOTH, DEMI-GOD, DRAGONFIST, KNIGHT ERRANT II, SHE-CAT, STINGER IV) appear in HFH 11, though they're not named until #12.

ANGEL I/THOMAS HALLOWAY
**CV 1-FB
**CV 2-FB
M/SH2 7/2
(the two-page flashback montage in CV 1 defies my ability to fully chronologize it for most of the characters, and I've no idea who the goggle-wearing Nazi or the "White Skull" are supposed to be, but thankfully the GA Angel's chronology is simple enough.)

ANGEL II/HALLOWAY
**H@ 20
H2 432

ANGEL III/WARREN KENNETH WORTHINGTON III
UX 338
**X 61
**CD 1
CD 2

ARIZE
**LSHOT 5-FB
**LSHOT 6-FB
X@ 1

AUTOLYCUS
**ST 179
**A@ 7
**M/TIO@ 2
SS3 46
SS3 47
SS3 48
**IW 6
IC 4
**WIW 33
**WIW 37-BTS

AVATAR II/PRINCESS ALAISA RUANTHA
SS3 66
**SS3 90
**SS3 91
**SS3 92
(pretty sure that one or two of these is in the Gap, but SS3 90 at least is already indexed, so here she is)

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Re: Chronology additions: A
Posted by Administrator on February 21, 2003 at 17:34:51:
In Reply to: Chronology additions: A
posted by Sean Curtin on February 21, 2003 at 13:33:36:

> ANGEL III/WARREN KENNETH WORTHINGTON III
> UX 338
> **X 61
> **CD 1
> CD 2

Sean,

These two appearances are from the second gap, and as such, we can't add them until someone submits analyses of the two books. Does this mean you're volunteering?

Russ

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Re: Chronology additions: A
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 22, 2003 at 05:15:05:
In Reply to: Re: Chronology additions: A
posted by Administrator on February 21, 2003 at 17:34:51:

Whoops.  Thought I saw them on the list of books that had been abalyzed.  Yep, I can do an analysis of them.

-- 
Sean Curtin

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1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by Ross Snyder on February 22, 2003 at 15:34:32:

I'm working on a little project of my own where I'm doing some interesting things with character appearances/Marvel chronology.  I'm starting with the 1960s Marvel stuff, since a lot of it is readily available as reprints.

My biggest hang-up at present, however, is finding reprints of the Human Torch solo stories from "Strange Tales".  Anyone know if these were ever reprinted, in bulk form, over the years?  I know that a story here and there have been reprinted but I am looking for the complete run, in one form or another.  Thanks!

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Re: 1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 22, 2003 at 17:24:50:
In Reply to: 1960s "Strange Tales" reprints?
posted by Ross Snyder on February 22, 2003 at 15:34:32:

check out  http://www.math.ucla.edu/~alee/torch2.txt at Arthur's Marvel Comics Reprints

(and no... I'm not that Arthur)

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Re: 1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 22, 2003 at 22:58:47:
In Reply to: 1960s "Strange Tales" reprints?
posted by Ross Snyder on February 22, 2003 at 15:34:32:

Apparently one of the next volumes in the Essential series will feature those Human Torch stories.

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Re: 1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by Andy Holcombe on February 23, 2003 at 15:56:57:
In Reply to: Re: 1960s "Strange Tales" reprints?
posted by Sean Curtin on February 22, 2003 at 22:58:47:

Do you have some insider knowledge, or is this supposition?

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Re: 1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 24, 2003 at 23:21:04:
In Reply to: Re: 1960s "Strange Tales" reprints?
posted by Andy Holcombe on February 23, 2003 at 15:56:57:

A couple of fansites have reported that a Marvel employee confirmed that Essential Tomb of Dracula and Essential Human Torch are the next Essentials (possibly the only two this year, but at least it's something).  Given that Essential Dracula was already halfway done and the new Human Torch series from the Tsunami imprint is set during the same period of the Torch's history as Essential Torch would feature, both books make sense for Marvel to publish right now.

-- 
Sean Curtin

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Re: 1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by Ross Snyder on February 24, 2003 at 00:52:05:
In Reply to: Re: 1960s "Strange Tales" reprints?
posted by Sean Curtin on February 22, 2003 at 22:58:47:

> Apparently one of the next volumes in the Essential series will feature those Human Torch stories.

Really?  It seemed like Marvel had chilled on putting out new "Essential" books - and reprints in general.  They cancelled the new "Tales of Suspense" Masterworks I had drooled over, and then they cancelled what was my most anticipated volume, "Essential Tomb of Dracula".

An "Essential Human Torch" book would definitely light my fire, but I'm skeptical... no movie tie-ins, for completist Marvel historians only, it would seem.  Then again, "Essential Ant-Man" managed to see the light of day, and I'm pretty sure it's only me and two other people that bought it...

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Re: 1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by captamr on February 22, 2003 at 23:37:09:
In Reply to: 1960s "Strange Tales" reprints?
posted by Ross Snyder on February 22, 2003 at 15:34:32:

>> My biggest hang-up at present, however, is finding reprints of the Human Torch solo stories from "Strange Tales".  Anyone know if these were ever reprinted, in bulk form, over the years?  I know that a story here and there have been reprinted but I am looking for the complete run, in one form or another.

In 1974 Marvel reprinted the first 8 solo Human Torch starting with Strange Tales #101 appropriately titled "The Human Torch". At least its a start at the beginning.

Charlie

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Re: 1960s Strange Tales reprints?
Posted by johnnypt on February 25, 2003 at 21:28:37:
In Reply to: 1960s "Strange Tales" reprints?
posted by Ross Snyder on February 22, 2003 at 15:34:32:

Concentrate on Marvel Tales #3-26 or so.  Almost the entire run is there through about #125 (#117 isn't reprinted anywhere I've found).  A couple others were reprinted in Marvel's Greatest Comics.  Most of the later ones I had to get from the original issues, but I've been surprised where some of them turn up (DD #81 and FF Annual #9 for instance)

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Shi'ar chronology problem
Posted by French Thom on February 23, 2003 at 05:35:38:

Dear MCP

I noticed some problems about your chronology of Lilandra and Gladiator.

For Lilandra, you have placed FF 261-262 between UX 138/154. It just can not be, as those FF issues are the trial of Reed Richards, which Lilandra warns him about in UX 167...

Gladiator II reads:
ROM@4
FF 261-262
UX 155

It should read instead:
UX 155 (1982)
UX 157 (1982)
UX 167 (Lilandra warns Reed Richards, 1983)
FF 261-262 (Richard's trial, 1983)

Thank you for the attention!

French Thom
ROM@4 (1985).

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MADAME SLAY...MADMAN...MAGIK
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 23, 2003 at 06:57:38:

New entries marked **

MADAME SLAY
**IM@ 5-FB (Pg 22/4 - 22/6)
**JA 18
**IM@ 5-FB (Pg 23/1-23/3)
IM@ 5

MADMAN/PHIL STERNS
H2 364
**H2 365 (pg 17)
H2 366

MAGIK/ILLYANA RASPUTINA
(Did the young Illyana in NM 74 through NM 77 turn out to NOT be Illyana?  Otherwise.)
NM 73
**NM 74
**NM 75
**XCAL 8
**NM 76
**NM 77

Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 
#68

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Re: MAGIK
Posted by Jeph! on February 23, 2003 at 23:47:25:
In Reply to: MADAME SLAY...MADMAN...MAGIK
posted by Arthur Stein on February 23, 2003 at 06:57:38:

> MAGIK/ILLYANA RASPUTINA
> (Did the young Illyana in NM 74 through NM 77 turn out to NOT be Illyana? 

Yes, as you suspect, that Illyana was different.  She was a divergent version of Illyana, plucked from the timestream and brought forward from just after UX #160 -- not long after her initial kidnapping into Limbo.

The "Magik" Illyana was last seen in NM #73, although the final page of XU #19 heavily implies that she's still alive in Limbo.

-Jeph!

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Malibu Ultraverse Chronology
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 23, 2003 at 09:06:09:

Hi,

A few years ago, I started work on a Malibu Ultraverse Chronology. I haven't worked on it since then, and I don't feel like I'll be working on it anytime soon. So I thought I would post what I had, since it might be of use to others...

ULTRAVERSE UNIVERSE TIMELINE
Rune B
Ultraverse Premiere 3/3
Strangers 12-FB
Solitaire 4-FB2
Rune C
Rune D
Rune (Vol. 1) 2-FB
Rune (Vol. 1) 3-FB
Solitaire 2-FB
Solitaire 3-FB
Prime (Vol. 1) 11-FB
Night Man 3-FB
Freex 7-FB
Prototype 0/1
Prototype 0/2
Prototype 0/3
Hardcase 4-FB
Hardcase 1-FB
Prime (Vol. 1) 4-FB
Prime (Vol. 1) 3-FB
Freex 10-FB
Freex 2-FB2
Freex 1-FB
Freex 1-FB2
Freex 1-FB3
Freex 9-FB
Freex 2-FB
Prime (Vol. 1) 1-FB
Prime (Vol. 1) 1-FB2
Solution 6-FB (Pages 2-23)
Solution 7-FB (Pages 2-23)
Solution 8-FB (Pages 2-21)
Solution 0
Rune A
Strangers 1
Rune E
Rune F
Strangers 2
Rune G
Strangers 3-FB
Solitaire 4-FB
Hardcase 1
Solitaire 4-FB3
Rune H
Rune J
Rune K
Rune (Vol. 1) 1
Rune (Vol. 1) 2
Rune (Vol. 1) 3
Rune (Vol. 1) 4
Rune (Vol. 1) 5
Freex 1
Freex 2
Freex 3
Freex 4
Freex 5
Mantra (Vol. 1) 1
Mantra (Vol. 1) 2
Mantra (Vol. 1) 3
Prime (Vol. 1) 1
Prime (Vol. 1) 2
Prime (Vol. 1) 3
Prototype 1
Hardcase 2
Strangers 3
Hardcase 3
Hardcase 4
Strangers 4
Ultraverse Origins 1/12 = Night Man 4/2
Firearm Video
Firearm 0
Prime (Vol. 1) 4
Prime (Vol. 1) 5
Prime (Vol. 1) 6
Prototype 2
Solution 1
Solution 2
Mantra (Vol. 1) 4
Sludge 1-FB
Sludge 1
Night Man 1
Strangers 5
Strangers 6
Hardcase 5
Hardcase 6
Prototype 3
Prototype 4
Mantra (Vol. 1) 5
Ultraverse Origins 1/10 = Hardcase 8/2
Solitaire 1
Night Man 2
Sludge 2
Firearm 1
Firearm 2
Solution 3
Exiles (Vol. 1) 1
Exiles (Vol. 1) 2
Exiles (Vol. 1) 3
Exiles (Vol. 1) 4
Hardcase 7
Solution 4-FB
Firearm 3
Firearm 4
Break-Thru 1
Break-Thru 2
Solitaire 2
Sludge 3
Firearm 5 (pages 1-19)
Prototype 5
Strangers 7
Freex 6
Night Man 3
Prime (Vol. 1) 7
Mantra (Vol. 1) 6
Solution 4
Hardcase 8/1
Hardcase 10-FB (Pages 6-8)
Prototype 6
Prime (Vol. 1) 8/1
Ultraverse Origins 1/14 = Prime 8/2
Prototype 7/1
Mantra (Vol. 1) 7/1
Prototype 8
Firearm 5 (pages 20-24)
Prime (Vol. 1) 9
Firearm 6
Prime (Vol. 1) 10
Strangers 8
Night Man 4/1
Night Man 5
Freex 7
Freex 9
Freex 10
Freex 11
Solution 5
Sludge 4/1
Ultraverse Origins 1/13 = Sludge 4/2
Wrath 1
Wrath 2
Mantra (Vol. 1) 8
Mantra (Vol. 1) 9
Solitaire 3
Solitaire 4
Hardcase 9
Sludge 5
Strangers 9
Strangers 10
Strangers 11
Strangers 12
Wrath 3
Firearm 7
Solution 6 (Pages 1 and 23-24)
Solution 7 (Pages 1 and 24)
Solution 8 (Pages 1 and 22-24)
Solution 9
Solution 10
Solution 11
Solution 12
Night Man 6
Sludge 6
Ultraverse Premiere 1/1
Ultraverse Premiere 2/3
Ultraverse Premiere 1/2
Ultraverse Premiere 2/1
Ultraverse Premiere 3/2
Warstrike 1
Ultraverse Premiere 1/3
Ultraverse Premiere 2/2
Ultraverse Premiere 3/1
Hardcase 10
Hardcase 11
Hardcase 12
Hardcase 13
Hardcase 14
Prime (Vol. 1) 11
Solitaire 5
Solitaire 6
Night Man 7
Night Man 8
Prototype 7/2
Prototype 9
Prototype 10
Prototype 11
Prototype 12
Mantra (Vol. 1) 10
Mantra (Vol. 1) 11
Strangers 13
Mantra (Vol. 1) 12
Sludge 7
Wrath 4
Wrath 5
Prime (Vol. 1) 12 

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Ultimate Universe Chronology version 1.3
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 23, 2003 at 12:54:57:

Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
Ultimate Team-Up 005-FB (Page 3, panels 3-4)
Ultimate Team-Up 005-FB (Page 3, panel 5)
Ultimate Team-Up 005-FB (Page 3, panel 6)
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19)
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB1 (Pages 1 through 2)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010-FB (Pages 6 through 10)
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4)
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB2 (Page 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 013
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-25)
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28)
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate X-Men 013
Ultimate X-Men 014
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+)
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 29-30)
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008
Ultimates 009
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025
Ultimate Adventures 001
Ultimate Adventures 002
Ultimate Adventures 003
Ultimate War 1
Ultimate War 2
Ultimate War 3
Ultimate War 4 

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Ultimate Character Chronologies version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 23, 2003 at 13:10:59:

A FEW NOTES:
--Although I have Ultimate War 1-4 and Ultimates 9 in the Universe chrono, I don't have them incorporated into the character chronos yet.
--When I count page numbers, I try my best to eliminate advertisements and covers.

Enjoy!

AGENT QUARTERMAIN
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027

ANT-MAN/DOCTOR PYM
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 008

BARNES, GAIL
Ultimates 007

BEAST/HENRY MCCOY
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

BLACK WIDOW
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB1 (Pages 1 through 2)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB2 (Page 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008

BLADE
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28)

BLOB
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 025

BORIS
Ultimate X-Men 008

BRADDOCK, STRIKE AGENT BETSY
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019

BRADLEY, AGENT
Ultimate Spider-Man 024

BRANKIN, DR. EAMONN
Ultimates 007

BRANT, BETTY
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 029

BROCK, EDDIE
Ultimate Spider-Man 017

BUCKY/BUCKY BARNES
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 007

BUSH, PRESIDENT GEORGE
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimates 003

CAPTAIN AMERICA
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008

CARTER, SHIELD AGENT SHARON
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 021

COLOSSUS
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 024

CROWLEY, SHIELD AGENT
Ultimate X-Men 009

CRUSHER HOGAN
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004

CYCLOPS/SCOTT SUMMERS
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024

DAREDEVIL/MATT MURDOCK
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28)

DEWOLFF, CAPTAIN JEAN
Ultimate Spider-Man 031
Ultimate Spider-Man 032

DOCTOR BRADLEY
Ultimate Spider-Man 011

DOCTOR CORNELIUS
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012

DOCTOR OCTOPUS
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021

DOCTOR SKRTIC
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 019

DOCTOR STRANGE
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013

ELECTRO
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012

ELEKTRA
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28)

ELIZABETH, SHANNON
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)

ESHELMAN, BOAZ
Ultimate X-Men 001

FANCY DAN
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012

FATHER JOE
Ultimate Adventures 001

FURY, NICK
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008

GAMBIT
Ultimate X-Men 013
Ultimate X-Men 014

GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027

GREENWOOD, BRUCE
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007

HALE, TRACI
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021

HAMMER, JUSTIN
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021

HAMMERHEAD
Ultimate X-Men 013
Ultimate X-Men 014

HAWKEYE
Ultimates 008

HAWK-OWL/JACK DANNER
Ultimate Adventures 001
Ultimate Adventures 002

HERBIE
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)

HHVX
Ultimate X-Men 022

HULK
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 007

HUMAN TORCH/JOHNNY STORM
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)

ICEMAN/BOBBY DRAKE
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024

INVISIBLE GIRL/SUE STORM
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)

IRON FIST/DANNY RAND
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half

IRON MAN/TONY STARK
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+)
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 028

JAMESON, J JONAH
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

JARVIS
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 006

JUBILEE
Ultimate X-Men 007

JUGGERNAUT
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 012

KING, LARRY
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)

KINGPIN
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012

KITTY PRYDE
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024

KONG
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28)
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

KRAVEN
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021

LIZARD
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010-FB (Pages 6 through 10)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010

LORD BRADDOCK
Ultimate X-Men 019

MACTAGGERT, MOIRA
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019

MAGNETO
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4)
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 025

MAGNETO'S COMPUTER
Ultimate X-Men 024

MAN-THING
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010

MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

MASTER STONE
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4

MASTERMIND
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 015

MISTER BIG
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010

MISTER FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)

MISTER SEVILLE
Ultimate X-Men 025

MONTANA
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012

NELSON, FOGGY
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4

NIGHTCRAWLER
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 012

ORB-WEAVER
Ultimate X-Men 022

OSBORN, HARRY
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027

OX
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012

PARKER, AUNT MAY
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 013
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 028
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 030
Ultimate Spider-Man 031
Ultimate Spider-Man 032

PARKER, UNCLE BEN
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005

PHOENIX
Ultimate X-Men 025

PRESIDENT
Ultimate X-Men 022

PRINZE JR., FREDDIE
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005

PROFESSOR X
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 014
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

PROSIMIAN
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

PROTEUS/DAVID XAVIER
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019

PUNISHER/FRANK CASTLE
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008

QUICKSILVER/PIETRO MAXIMOFF
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimates 008
Ultimate X-Men 022

RASPUTIN, ILYANA
Ultimate X-Men 018

RHINO
Ultimate Spider-Man 028

RHODES, JIM
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004

ROBERTSON, JOE
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

ROGUE
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 012

ROSS, BETTY
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007

ROSS, GENERAL THUNDERBOLT
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 011

SABRETOOTH
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012

SALUKI
Ultimate X-Men 022

SANDMAN
Ultimate Spider-Man 017

SCARLET WITCH/WANDA MAXIMOFF
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimates 008
Ultimate X-Men 022

SEBASTIAN SHAW
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

SENATOR ANDREW BORDER TURK
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024

SHANG-CHI
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016

SISTER MARY
Ultimate Adventures 001

SPIDER-MAN IMPOSTER
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 030
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 013
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28)
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28)
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 29-30)
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimate Spider-Man 028
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 030
Ultimate Spider-Man 031
Ultimate Spider-Man 032

STACY, CAPTAIN
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

STACY, GWEN
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 028
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 031
Ultimate Spider-Man 032

STARK, MORGAN
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19)

STORM/ORORO MUNROE
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 014
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

SUMATRAN
Ultimate X-Men 022

TABIDI
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021

THING/BEN GRIMM
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)

THOMAS, STRIKE AGENT DAI
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017

THOMPSON, FLASH
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28)
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 019
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023

THOR
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008

TIPPLE, HANK
Ultimate Adventures 001
Ultimate Adventures 002

TOAD
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015

TRASK, BOLIVAR
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 015

URICH, BEN
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 017
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

WALKER, PATSY
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009

WASP/JANET VAN DYNE
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

WATSON, MARY JANE
Ultimate Spider-Man 001
Ultimate Spider-Man 002
Ultimate Spider-Man 003
Ultimate Spider-Man 004
Ultimate Spider-Man 005
Ultimate Spider-Man 006
Ultimate Spider-Man 007
Ultimate Spider-Man 008
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012
Ultimate Spider-Man 013
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28)
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28)
Ultimate Spider-Man 014
Ultimate Spider-Man 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 020
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016
Ultimate Spider-Man 022
Ultimate Spider-Man 023
Ultimate Spider-Man 024
Ultimate Spider-Man 025
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimate Spider-Man 028
Ultimate Spider-Man 029
Ultimate Spider-Man 030
Ultimate Spider-Man 031

WOLVERINE/LOGAN
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4)
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024

WONG
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013

WRAITH, JOHN
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012

XANDU
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013

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Re: Ultimate Character Chronologies version 1.0
Posted by Jason  M. Doty on February 23, 2003 at 17:24:13:
In Reply to: Ultimate Character Chronologies version 1.0
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 23, 2003 at 13:10:59:

I just noticed a couple of corrections. So far this is awesome. Just off the top of my head, I don't think Quicksilver or the Scarlet Witch were adopted in the Ultimate Universe. So there last name would be Lehnsheer.Also, Dr. Bradley and Agent Bradley are one in the same.

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Re: Ultimate Character Chronologies version 1.0
Posted by Jeph! on February 23, 2003 at 23:43:54:
In Reply to: Re: Ultimate Character Chronologies version 1.0
posted by Jason  M. Doty on February 23, 2003 at 17:24:13:

> Just off the top of my head, I don't think Quicksilver or the Scarlet Witch were adopted in the Ultimate Universe. So there last name would be Lehnsheer.

Not necessarily.

In the Marvel Universe, it was revealed that "Erik Lensherr" was an ALIAS of Magneto's -- one that he adopted shortly after his wife, pregnant with the twins, ran away from him.

Now, in the AoA reality, he still went by that name, and Pietro also took that last name.

But in the Ultimate Universe?  Impossible to tell which bits of real-world continuity they'll be using.  Is Ultimate Magneto's name of "Erik Lensherr" just an alias, or his REAL name?  If it IS an alias, did his children grow up using his REAL name?

You really can't assume.  Has anything been said on-panel about their names?

-Jeph!

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Ultimate Team Chronologies version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 23, 2003 at 13:21:20:

ACOLYTES
Ultimate X-Men 020

BROTHERHOOD OF MUTANTS
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

CHITAURI
Ultimates 008

DINOSAURS
Ultimate X-Men 023

ENFORCERS
Ultimate Spider-Man 009
Ultimate Spider-Man 010
Ultimate Spider-Man 011
Ultimate Spider-Man 012

FANTASTIC FOUR
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+)

FBI
Ultimate Spider-Man 009

HELLFIRE CLUB
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

IRAQI ARMY
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)

MANDROIDS
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005

MILITARY
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003

MUTANT X
Ultimate X-Men 008

NATZIS
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23)

PLASMIDS
Ultimate Spider-Man 025

RED DEVIL
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19)

RUSSIAN MAFIA
Ultimate X-Men 008

SENTINELS
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006

SHIELD
Ultimate Spider-Man 016
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate Spider-Man 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 021
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate Spider-Man 026
Ultimate Spider-Man 027
Ultimates 008

SKRULLS
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009

STRIKE
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018

ULTIMATES
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+)
Ultimates 002
Ultimates 003
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13)
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+)
Ultimates 005
Ultimates 006
Ultimates 007
Ultimates 008

US ARMY
Ultimate X-Men One-Half

WEAPON X
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012

X-MEN
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9)
Ultimate X-Men 001
Ultimate X-Men 002
Ultimate X-Men 003
Ultimate X-Men 004
Ultimate X-Men 005
Ultimate X-Men 006
Ultimate X-Men One-Half
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011
Ultimate X-Men 007
Ultimate X-Men 008
Ultimate X-Men 009
Ultimate X-Men 010
Ultimate X-Men 011
Ultimate X-Men 012
Ultimate X-Men 013
Ultimate X-Men 014
Ultimate X-Men 015
Ultimate X-Men 016
Ultimate X-Men 017
Ultimate X-Men 018
Ultimate X-Men 019
Ultimate X-Men 020
Ultimate X-Men 021
Ultimate X-Men 022
Ultimate X-Men 023
Ultimate X-Men 024
Ultimate X-Men 025

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Yukio Chronology
Posted by French Thom on February 24, 2003 at 14:43:07:

Dear MCP

Just a short mail to report an error concerning Yukio.

You list her next appearance after W 4 to be Kitty Pryde & Wolverine #3, instead of UX #172.

Thank you!

French Thom

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Re: Yukio Chronology
Posted by Sean Curtin on February 24, 2003 at 23:26:39:
In Reply to: Yukio Chronology
posted by French Thom on February 24, 2003 at 14:43:07:

Also, for some reason, W 1 (her first appearance, on the last page) is omitted from her chronology.

-- 
Sean Curtin

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More chronology errors... (Sorry...)
Posted by French Thom on February 25, 2003 at 10:48:04:

Dear Russ,

Sorry to bother you again but i've noticed some more errors.

Regarding UX 174 & UX 175, which are the same story, you've set between those two issues some more appearances for (at least) two characters: Lilandra & Binary (in M/FAN #24/2 & UX@7), when those issues should happen AFTER Scott's wedding in UX 175.

Another thing: straight after UX 174, Silver Samurai is supposed, according to your chronology, to appear in SW2 7.

But what is SW2 7? I've checked the key, I did not find it.

I've checked under SWII (Secret Wars II) #7, but I did not see any of him (maybe hidden, somewhere in the midst of all the villains fighting with The Thing?).

Sorry for that, and thank you for your great work!

French Thom 

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Re: More chronology errors... (Sorry...)
Posted by DCW3 on February 26, 2003 at 11:14:49:
In Reply to: More chronology errors... (Sorry...)
posted by French Thom on February 25, 2003 at 10:48:04:

SW2 7 ought to be SWII 7. I don't have the issue at hand to give you the page number, but if you look closely, Silver Samurai does appear among the villains Mephisto gathers.

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Re: More chronology errors... (Sorry...)
Posted by French Thom on February 26, 2003 at 14:00:50:
In Reply to: Re: More chronology errors... (Sorry...)
posted by DCW3 on February 26, 2003 at 11:14:49:

OK, I'll watch again then.

Thank you for the help!

French Thom

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Re:  (Sorry...) My chronology errors...
Posted by French Thom on March 10, 2003 at 18:17:14:
In Reply to: Re: More chronology errors... (Sorry...)
posted by French Thom on February 26, 2003 at 14:00:50:

Oops, i realized that lilandra's and binary's appearances between UX 174 & 175 can actually be set there, as there is a gap in UX 175, before the last four pages...

sorry for that, my mistake...
i'll double check before posting a mail next time...

French Thom

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X-Men Special Edition
Posted by French Thom on February 26, 2003 at 10:36:18:

Hi

I'm desperately looking for some comics that I can't find in France, and that i can't really afford to order to Mile High Comics (shippings are really expansive...).

Could anyone please help me to find somewhere i could get:
MARVEL TREASURY EDITION #13 & 27
MARVEL TALES #30
KA-ZAR (1970) #2 & 3
X-MEN SPECIAL EDITION #1.

Or does anyone know if they're downloadable somewhere on the Net?

Thank you!

French Thom
thomasjan@free.fr

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Re: X-Men Special Edition
Posted by Jeph! on February 26, 2003 at 15:04:38:
In Reply to: X-Men Special Edition
posted by French Thom on February 26, 2003 at 10:36:18:

Big fan of the Angel, are you?

-Jeph!

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Re: X-Men Special Edition
Posted by French Thom on February 27, 2003 at 12:20:03:
In Reply to: Re: X-Men Special Edition
posted by Jeph! on February 26, 2003 at 15:04:38:

Well, I think I own all all the comics in which he appearded from 1963 up to 1997, apart from those ones...

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The Truth #4
Posted by Niglo on February 26, 2003 at 14:46:35:

Hi everybody

I just read The Truth #4, and there seems to be a real continuity problem here.

This story takes place between 1940 and 1942, before the birth of Captain America. Trouble is, as far as I know, Cap appeared in 1941.

Now, in a sequence of The Truth #4, taking place in september 1942, we see the characters reading a copy of... Captain America Comics ! And it is said that in this comic book, Cap's true ID is Steve Rogers.

I found this sequence really silly. It implies that :

- in 1942, Cap was not a real character but a comic-book character.
- everybody in the Marvel Universe who has read Captain America Comics knows that Steve Rogers is Cap.
- it is even said that maybe the US government chose Steve Rogers to become Cap just because it was the name of the character in the comic book !!!

Besides this, it makes me think that The Truth can't be canon. Yet...

It seems that the forthcoming The Crew series is linked to The Truth, which means that it has to be canon (except of course if The Crew is non-canon either).

I'd like to know if anybody has an explanation to this.

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Spider-Man Chapter One?
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 26, 2003 at 19:18:03:

Is Spider-Man Chapter One considered canon? If so, when will it be integrated into the Spidey chrono?

Thanks!
Jimmy

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Re: Spider-Man Chapter One?
Posted by Administrator on February 26, 2003 at 19:30:32:
In Reply to: Spider-Man Chapter One?
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 26, 2003 at 19:18:03:

It's not canon. I believe it was Tom Brevoort who suggested we consider it the untold stories of the cartoon Fox Kids Spider-Man.

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Re: Spider-Man Chapter One?
Posted by Antonio Gavio on February 27, 2003 at 00:00:29:
In Reply to: Re: Spider-Man Chapter One?
posted by Administrator on February 26, 2003 at 19:30:32:

If Spider-Man Chapter One is not canon, then Webspinners 10-12 need to be added to the project, and the explanation for Peter having memories (in early issues of ASM2 and PPSM2)of the explosion during Doctor Octopus' accident as ocurring at the same time as Peter gained his powers might be due to implanted memories by an as yet unidentified enemy.

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X-Men & Related Titles Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 26, 2003 at 20:09:53:

What follows is a rough version chronology for all X-Titles (and X-team appearances in other books). The info comes from a variety of sources (an old continuity list, the MCP, this message board, etc.). There are gaps. I'd love to update this list. Any help is appreciated. By the way, (bu) means back-up story.

Thanks! 
Jimmy

Rise of Apocalypse LS 
Black Knight: Exodus 
Wolverine 25 
Marvel Comics Presents 93
Marvel Comics Presents 94
Marvel Comics Presents 95
Marvel Comics Presents 96
Marvel Comics Presents 97
Marvel Comics Presents 98
Further Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix 1
Further Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix 2
Further Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix 3
Further Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix 4
Wolverine 35
Wolverine 36
Wolverine 37
X-Force 64 
Uncanny X-Men 268 
WildCATS/X-Men: Golden Age 
Uncanny X-Men 49 (bu)/Uncanny Origins 6 
Classic X-Men 16 (bu) 
Uncanny X-Men 50 (bu)/Uncanny Origins 6 
Uncanny Origins 2 
Logan: Path of the Warlord 
Classic X-Men 41-42 (bu)/Uncanny Origins 1 
Uncanny Origins 8 
Uncanny X-Men 117/Uncanny Origins 9 
Untold Tales of Spider Man -1 
Uncanny X-Men 161 
Classic X-Men 19 (bu) 
Logan: Shadow Society 
Marvel Comics Presents 72
Marvel Comics Presents 73
Marvel Comics Presents 74
Marvel Comics Presents 75
Marvel Comics Presents 76
Marvel Comics Presents 77
Marvel Comics Presents 78
Marvel Comics Presents 79
Marvel Comics Presents 80
Marvel Comics Presents 81
Marvel Comics Presents 82
Marvel Comics Presents 83
Marvel Comics Presents 84
Marvel Comics Presents 85
Marvel Comics Presents 86
Wolverine -1 
Uncanny X-Men 54 (bu)/Uncanny Origins 3 
Uncanny Origins 9 
Classic X-Men 15 (bu) 
Uncanny X-Men -1 
X-Factor -1 
X-Men -1 
Uncanny X-Men 38 (bu) 
Uncanny X-Men 39-42 (bu)/Uncanny Origins 1 
Uncanny X-Men 44-46 (bu) 
Uncanny X-Men 55-56 (bu)/Uncanny Origins 3 
Uncanny X-Men 51-53 (bu)/Uncanny Origins 6 
Classic X-Men 44 (bu) 
Generation X -1 

Uncanny X-Men 1/Professor X & The X-Men 1 
Uncanny X-Men 2/Professor X & The X-Men 2 
Tales of Suspense 49 
Avengers 3 
Uncanny X-Men 3/Professor X & The X-Men 3 
Thor Corps 3 
Professor X & The X-Men 4/Uncanny Origins 2 
Uncanny X-Men 4/Professor X & The X-Men 5 
Uncanny X-Men 5/Professor X & The X-Men 6 
Fantastic Four 28 
Uncanny X-Men 6/Professor X & The X-Men 7 
Amazing Spider Man Annual 1 
Journey Into Mystery 109 
Uncanny X-Men 7/Professor X & The X-Men 8 
Excalibur: XX Crossing-FB
Uncanny X-Men 8/Professor X & The X-Men 9 
Untold Tales of Spider Man 21 
Uncanny X-Men 9/Professor X & The X-Men 10 
Fantastic Four 35
Fantastic Four 36
Uncanny X-Men 10/Professor X & The X-Men 11 
Uncanny X-Men 11/Professor X & The X-Men 15 
Professor X & The X-Men 12 
Uncanny X-Men 12/Professor X & The X-Men 13
Uncanny X-Men 13/Professor X & The X-Men 14 
Fantastic Four Annual 3 
Heroes & Legends Special 1996
Uncanny X-Men 14/Professor X & The X-Men 16
Uncanny X-Men 15/Professor X & The X-Men 17
Uncanny X-Men 16/Professor X & The X-Men 18
Uncanny X-Men 17
Uncanny X-Men 18
Uncanny X-Men 19 
Uncanny X-Men 20
Uncanny X-Men 21
Uncanny X-Men 22
Uncanny X-Men 23
Uncanny X-Men 24 
Uncanny X-Men 25
Uncanny X-Men 26
Uncanny X-Men 27 
Strange Tales 156 
Uncanny X-Men 28 
Uncanny X-Men 29 
Uncanny X-Men 30 
Uncanny X-Men 31 
Uncanny X-Men 32
Uncanny X-Men 33
Uncanny X-Men 34 
Uncanny X-Men 35 
Uncanny X-Men 36 
Untold Tales of Spider Man '97 
Uncanny X-Men 37
Uncanny X-Men 38
Uncanny X-Men 39
Uncanny X-Men 40 
Uncanny X-Men 41 
Uncanny X-Men 42 
Uncanny X-Men 43/Avengers 53 
Uncanny X-Men 44/Avengers 53
Uncanny X-Men 45/Avengers 53
Uncanny X-Men 46 
Ka-Zar 2
Ka-Zar 3
Marvel Tales 30 
Uncanny X-Men 47 
Marvel Holiday Special 1994-FB
Uncanny X-Men 48 
Uncanny X-Men 49
Uncanny X-Men 50
Uncanny X-Men 51
Uncanny X-Men 52
Avengers 60 
Uncanny X-Men 53 
Sub-Mariner 14 
WildCATs/X-Men: Silver Age 
Uncanny X-Men 54
Uncanny X-Men 55
Uncanny X-Men 56
Uncanny X-Men 57
Uncanny X-Men 58
Uncanny X-Men 59
Uncanny X-Men 60
Uncanny X-Men 61
Uncanny X-Men 62
Uncanny X-Men 63
Uncanny X-Men 64 
Uncanny X-Men 65 
Classic X-Men 14 (bu) 
Uncanny X-Men 66 

X-Men 94/2
Incredible Hulk 150 
X-Force -1 
Amazing Spider-Man 92 
Avengers 88 
X-Men: The Hidden Years 1
X-Men: The Hidden Years 2
X-Men: The Hidden Years 3
X-Men: The Hidden Years 4
X-Men: The Hidden Years 5
X-Men: The Hidden Years 6
X-Men: The Hidden Years 7
X-Men: The Hidden Years 8
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========= Inferno crossover ===========
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Excalibur 13 
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Excalibur 14 
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Excalibur 16 
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Excalibur 22 
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X-Factor 55 
Excalibur 23 
Uncanny X-Men 263 
X-Factor 56 
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New Mutants 90
New Mutants 91
Web of Spider Man 73
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Excalibur 24 
X-Factor 57
X-Factor 58
Excalibur 25 
Quasar 11 
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New Mutants Annual 6 (bu) 
Wolverine 25 
Wolverine 26
Wolverine 27
Wolverine 28
Wolverine 29
Wolverine 30
New Mutants Summer Special 1 
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Excalibur 28
Excalibur 29
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New Mutants 93
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Marvel Comics Presents 54
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Wolverine: Rahne of Terra 
Wolverine 31
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Excalibur 30 
Marvel Comics Presents 62
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Wolverine 34 
X-Factor 59 
Excalibur 31 
Marvel Comics Presents 71 
Excalibur 32
Excalibur 33
Excalibur 34
Wolverine 35
Wolverine 36
Wolverine 37
========== X-Tinction Agenda crossover ==========
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New Mutants 96
New Mutants 97
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X-Factor 62
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Excalibur: The Possession 
Excalibur 37
Excalibur 38
Excalibur 39
Wolverine: Blood Lust 
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X-Factor: Prisoner of Love 
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X-Factor 69 
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Wolverine 45
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X-Factor 72 
Excalibur 44 
X-Men 1
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Excalibur 45 
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Excalibur 47
Excalibur 48
Excalibur 49
Excalibur 50
Excalibur 51
Excalibur 52
Excalibur 53
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X-Men 4
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Uncanny X-Men 281
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X-Factor 75 
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Marvel Comics Presents 101
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Hulk 391
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Wolverine 53
Wolverine 54
Wolverine 55
Wolverine 56
Wolverine 57
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Wolverine 62
Wolverine 63
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X-Factor 79
X-Factor 80
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Excalibur: XX Crossing 
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Excalibur 56
Excalibur 57
Excalibur 58
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Infinity War LS 
========== X-Cutioner's Song crossover ==========
Uncanny X-Men 294
Uncanny X-Men 295
Uncanny X-Men 296
X-Factor 84
X-Factor 85
X-Factor 86
X-Men 14
X-Men 15
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Excalibur 59
Excalibur 60
Uncanny X-Men 297 
Stryfe's Strike File 
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Spectacular Spider Man 197
Spectacular Spider Man 198
Spectacular Spider Man 199
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Wolverine 66
Wolverine 67
Wolverine 68
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X-Men 18
X-Men 19
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X-Factor 88 
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X-Force 23
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Excalibur 61
Excalibur 62
Excalibur 63
Excalibur 64
Excalibur 65
Uncanny X-Men 299 
X-Factor 89
X-Factor 90
X-Factor 91
Uncanny X-Men 300 
Excalibur 66 
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Death's Head II 3
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X-Men 21
X-Men 22
Wolverine 69
Wolverine 70
Wolverine 71
Wolverine 72
Wolverine 73
Wolverine 74
X-Men 23 
Ghost Rider 37 
Excalibur Annual 1 
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Excalibur 68
Excalibur 69
Excalibur 70
Uncanny X-Men 301
Uncanny X-Men 302
Uncanny X-Men 303
Cable 3
Cable 4
Infinity Crusade LS 
Web of Spider-Man 106 
X-Factor 92 
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X-Factor 93 
X-Force 25 
Deadpool: The Circle Chase LS 
Gambit LS 
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X-Force 26 
Wolverine: Evilution 
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Uncanny X-Men 304 
X-Factor 94 
Uncanny X-Men 305 
X-Factor 95 
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Uncanny X-Men 306 
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Excalibur 71 
X-Men Annual 2 
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Cable 5 
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X-Men 26 
Wolverine 76
Wolverine 77
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Uncanny X-Men 307 
Avengers 369 
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X-Force 28
Cable 6
Cable 7
Cable 8
Excalibur 72
Excalibur 73
X-Men 27 
X-Men Unlimited 3 
Uncanny X-Men 308 
X-Force 29
X-Force 30
X-Men 28 
Spider-Man & X-Factor - Shadowgames LS 
X-Factor 96
X-Factor 97
X-Factor 98
X-Factor 99
X-Factor 100
Wolverine 78 
Excalibur 74 
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Uncanny X-Men Annual 18 
Excalibur 75 (bu) 
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Excalibur 75 
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Marvel Comics Presents 151
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Wolverine 80
Wolverine 81
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X-Men 32
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Excalibur 77
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Excalibur 79
Excalibur 80
Excalibur 81
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X-Men 35 
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Bishop LS 
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Wolverine 87 
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X-Men 38 
Excalibur 83
Excalibur 84
Excalibur 85
X-Force 40
X-Force 41
X-Factor 108
X-Factor 109
X-Men 39 
Rogue LS 
Uncanny X-Men 319 
Wolverine 88 
X-Force 42 
Uncanny X-Men 320 
Wolverine 89 
X-Men 40 
Uncanny X-Men 321 
Generation X 4 
Wolverine 90 
X-Factor 110
X-Factor 111
Excalibur 86 
X-Force 43 
Cable 20 
X-Men 41 
========== Age of Apocalypse crossover ==========
X-Men Chronicles 1
X-Men Chronicles 2
X-Man '96
Tales from the Age of Apocalypse: By the Light
Tales from the Age of Apocalypse: Sinister Bloodlines
X-Man -1
X-Men: Alpha
Gambit and the X-Ternals 1
Generation Next 1
Astonishing X-Men 1
X-Calibre 1
Weapon X 1
Amazing X-Men 1
Factor-X 1
X-Man 1
Amazing X-Men 2
Factor-X 2
Weapon X 2
Gambit and the X-Ternals 2
X-Calibre 2
Astonishing X-Men 2
Generation Next 2
X-Man 2
Age of Apocalypse: The Chosen
Astonishing X-Men 3
Factor-X 3
Amazing X-Men 3
X-Calibre 3
Weapon X 3
Gambit and the X-Ternals 3
X-Universe 1
Generation Next 3
X-Man 3
Astonishing X-Men 4
Generation Next 4
X-Calibre 4
X-Man 4
Factor-X 4
Gambit and the X-Ternals 4
Amazing X-Men 4
Weapon X 4
X-Universe 2
X-Men: Omega
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X-Men: Prime 
Excalibur 87 
X-Man 5 
Uncanny X-Men 322 
Cable 21 
X-Man 6 
Generation X 5
Generation X 6
X-Men 42
X-Men 43
X-Men 44

Wolverine 91 
X-Force 44 
Cable 22 
Uncanny X-Men 323
Uncanny X-Men 324
X-Force 45
X-Force 46
Excalibur 88
Excalibur 89
Starjammers LS 1
Starjammers LS 2
X-Factor 112
X-Factor 113
Wolverine 92 
Generation X Collector's Preview 
X-Factor 114 
X-Man 7 
Wolverine '95 (bu) 
X-Men '95 
X-Men '95 (bu) 
Wolverine 93 
Uncanny X-Men 325 
Wolverine 94 
Generation X 7 
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X-Men 45 
Exiles v1 1
Exiles vs X-Men
Exiles v1 2
Phoenix Resurrection Issues
Exiles v1 3
X-Men Unlimited 8 
Generation X 8
Generation X 9
X-Factor 115 
Wolverine: Knight of Terra 
X-Force & Cable '95 (bu) 
Wolverine '95 
Wolverine & Gambit: Victims LS 
X-Man 8 
X-Force 47 
Cable 23
Cable 24
X-Men '95 (bu) 
Uncanny X-Men 326 
Uncanny X-Men '95 
X-Men 46
X-Men 47
Excalibur 91
Excalibur 92
X-Man 9 
Generation X '95 (bu) 
Generation X '95 
Wolverine 95 
X-Factor 116 
X-Force 48 
Uncanny X-Men 327 
X-Man 10
X-Man 11
Generation X 10
Generation X 11
Wolverine 96 
Ghost Rider 67
Ghost Rider 68
X-Men Unlimited 9 
Spider Man Team-Up 1 
Uncanny X-Men 328 
Sabretooth: In the Red Zone 
X-Force 49 
Excalibur 93 
X-Factor 117
X-Factor 118
X-Men 48 
Uncanny X-Men 329
Uncanny X-Men 330
X-Men 49 
Cable 26
Cable 27
Cable 28
Storm LS 
X-Force 50 
X-Force & Cable '95 
X-Factor 119
Doc Samson 4
X-Factor 120
X-Factor 121
Archangel: Phantom Wings 
X-Man 12/Excalibur 95 
X-Force 51 
Captain Marvel 3 
Wolverine 97 
Cable 29 
Wolverine 98 
X-Man 13 
X-Men vs. Brood LS 
X-Force 52 
X-Men Unlimited 10 
X-Men 50 
Uncanny X-Men 331 
Cable 30/X-Man 14 
X-Force 53 
Cable 31 
X-Force 54 
Wolverine 99
Wolverine 100
Excalibur 96
Excalibur 97
Excalibur 98
X-Men 51
X-Men 52
Uncanny X-Men 332/Wolverine 101 
X-Factor 122
X-Factor 123
X-Man 15
X-Man 16
X-Man 17
Cable 32 
Uncanny X-Men 333 
X-Force 55 
Wolverine 102
Wolverine 103
X-Factor 124 
Daredevil 355 
Generation X 12
Generation X 13
Generation X 14
Generation X 15
Generation X 16
Generation X 17
Excalibur 99 
X-Men 53 
Uncanny X-Men 334 
X-Men Unlimited 11 
Cable 33 
X-Force 56 
Avengers 400 
========= Onslaught Crossover ========
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Onslaught: X-Men
Uncanny X-Men 335
Excalibur 100
Cable 34
Hulk 444
Generation X 18
Wolverine 104
X-Man 18
X-Force 57
Avengers 401
Fantastic Four 415
X-Factor 125
X-Factor 126
X-Men 55
Uncanny X-Men 336
Hulk 445
Cable 35
Generation X 19
X-Man 19
X-Force 58
Excalibur 101
X-Men Unlimited 12
Iron Man 332
Avengers 402
Fantastic Four 416
X-Men 56
Wolverine 105
Onslaught: Marvel Universe
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X-Man 20 
Uncanny X-Men 337 
Excalibur 102 
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X-Man 21 
X-Factor 127 
X-Men 57 
Uncanny X-Men '96 
X-Man 22 
X-Force & Cable '96 
X-Men '96 
Wolverine 106 
Pryde & Wisdom LS 
Wolverine 107
Wolverine 108
Wolverine 109
Wolverine '96 
Wolverine '96 (bu) 
X-Force 59
X-Force 60
X-Force 61
Uncanny X-Men 338 
Cable 37
Cable 38
Cable 39
X-Factor 128 
Generation X 21 
X-Men 58 
Excalibur 103 
X.S.E. LS 
Uncanny X-Men 339 
Sabretooth & Mystique LS 
Generation X '96 
X-Factor 129 
X-Men 59 
Excalibur 104
Excalibur 105
X-Men Unlimited 13 (bu) 
Generation X 22 
X-Men Unlimited 13 
Magneto LS 
Venom: Tooth & Claw LS 
Uncanny X-Men 340 
Maverick 
Punisher 12
Punisher 13
Punisher 14
Punisher 15
X-Factor 130 
Punisher 16 
X-Men 60
X-Men 61
X-Men Unlimited 14 
X-Man 23 
X-Man '96 
X-Man '96 (bu) 
X-Force 62 
Generation X 23 
Marvel Fanfare 4
Marvel Fanfare 5
Marvel Holiday Special 1996 
Cable 40 
X-Factor 131 
Onslaught: Epilogue 
X-Factor 132
X-Factor 133
X-Factor 134
X-Men '97 
Beast LS 
Generation X 24 
Marvel Holiday Special 1996 
Uncanny X-Men 341 
Imperial Guard LS 1 
Amazing Spider Man 420 
Uncanny X-Men 342 
X-Man 24 
Sabretooth: Back to Nature 
Generation X '97 
Excalibur 106 
X-Man 25 
Imperial Guard LS 2
Imperial Guard LS 3
Marvel Fanfare 6 
Wolverine 110 
Incredible Hulk '97 
Cable 41 
X-Force 63
X-Force 64
Ka-Zar of the Savage Land 
Incredible Hulk '97 (bu) 
Generation X 25 
Uncanny X-Men 343
Uncanny X-Men 344
Generation X 26 
Excalibur 107 
X-Man 26 
Excalibur 108
Excalibur 109
Excalibur 110
Deadpool 3
Deadpool 4
Deadpool 5
Daydreamers LS 
Uncanny X-Men 345 
Cable 42 
Domino LS 
X-Force and Cable '97 
X-Force 65
X-Force 66
Marvel Valentine Special 1 
Juggernaut 
Cable 43 
Uncanny X-Men Annual '97 
X-Man 27
X-Man 28
X-Man 29
Captain America (vol. 2) 6 
Cable 44 
Wolverine 111 
X-Men Unlimited 15 
Wolverine 112
Wolverine 113
Wolverine 114
Incredible Hulk 454
Incredible Hulk 455
Incredible Hulk 456
Incredible Hulk 457
X-Factor 135 
Crimson Dawn LS 
Generation X 27 
X-Men 62
X-Men 63
X-Men 64
Generation X 28 
X-Men 65 
Devil Dinosaur 
Strong Guy Reborn 
X-Force 67
X-Force 68
Cable 45
Cable 46
Cable 47
X-Force 69 
X-Man 30 
X-Force 70 
Uncanny X-Men 346 
X-Factor 136 
Daredevil 368 
Marvel Team-Up (vol. 2) 1 
Generation X 29
Generation X 30
Generation X 31
Excalibur 111 
X-Men 66 
Wolverine 115 
X-Factor 137 
Uncanny X-Men 347 
Excalibur 112 
Wolverine 116
Wolverine 117
X-Men 67
X-Men 68
X-Men 69
Wolverine 118
Uncanny X-Men 348 
X-Factor 138 
Uncanny X-Men 349 
Peter Parker, Spider-Man 84 
Uncanny X-Men 350 
X-Men 70 
Generation X 32 
Excalibur 113 
Colossus 
Quicksilver 1 
X-Man 31
X-Men Unlimited 16 
Gambit LS (vol. 2) 
X-Man: All Saints' Day 
Cable 48
Cable 49
Cable 50
X-Factor 139 
Excalibur 114 
X-Force 71 
X-Man Annual '97 
X-Man 32
X-Man 33
X-Man 34
New Mutants LS 1
New Mutants LS 2
New Mutants LS 3
Maverick 4 
Kitty Pryde, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. LS 
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Excalibur 115 
Generation X 34
Generation X 35
Excalibur 116
Excalibur 117
X-Men 71 
Uncanny X-Men 351 
X-Men Unlimited 17 
Wolverine Annual '97 
Wolverine 119
Wolverine 120
Wolverine 121
Wolverine 122
Deadpool 12
Deadpool 13
X-Force 72 
Maverick 5 
X-Factor 141 
Cable 51
Cable 52
Cable 53
X-Force 73
X-Force 74
Uncanny X-Men 352 
Maverick 6
Maverick 7
X-Factor 142 
X-Men 72 
X-Man 35 
Uncanny X-Men 353 

~~MISSING INFO~~~

Maximum Security: Dangerous Planet 
Maximum Security 1
Black Panther v3 25, pp.1-20 
Uncanny X-Men 387
Bishop v2 15
Maximum Security 2 
X-Men 107 
X-Men Unlimited 29 
Gambit v3 23 
Avengers v3 35 
Maximum Security 3 
Black Panther v3 25 pp.20-22 
Black Panther v3 26-29 
Uncanny X-Men 388 
Cable 87 
Bishop v2 16 
X-Men 108 
GenX 74 pp. 1-4
GenX 72 pp. 1-4 
GenX 71 pp. 1-6
GenX 73 pp. 1-7 
GenX 71 p. 7 
GenX 72 pp. 5-6 
GenX 71 pp. 8-18 
GenX 72 pp. 7-20 
GenX 73 pp. 8-18 
GenX 74 pp. 5-6 
GenX 73 pp. 19-22 
GenX 74 pp. 8-17 
GenX 71 pp. 19-20 
GenX 72 pp. 21-22 
GenX 71 pp. 21-22
GenX 74 pp. 18-22 
X-Men: the Search for Cyclops LS
Uncanny X-Men 389-FB 
Wolverine v2 158 
Gambit v3 24 
Uncanny X-Men 389 
X-Men Unlimited 33/6
Wolverine 159-161
X-Men 109 
Cable v2 88 
Uncanny X-Men Annual 2000 
Cable v2 89-95
Gambit v3 25 
Uncanny X-Men 390
Wolverine v2 176-FB 
X-Men 110 
X-Men Unlimited 30/2 
X-Men Unlimited 36/2, pp.1-11 
Wolverine v2 162-166 
X-Treme X-Men 3-FB 
Wolverine v2 167-169 
Uncanny X-Men 391 
Amazing Spider-Man v2 36
Gambit & Bishop 1-FB 
X-Men 111-FB 
Gambit & Bishop: Alpha, 1-6 
Cable v2 96 
X-Treme X-Men 3-FB 
X-Treme X-Men 1-FB 
X-Men 111-FB 
X-Men Unlimited 30/4 
X-Men 111 
Uncanny X-Men 392 
X-Men 112 
Uncanny X-Men 393 
X-Men 113 
X-Men Unlimited 34/3 
Avengers v3 38 
Cable v2 97-100 
X-Force 117-FB 
X-Men Unlimited 31/3 
X-Man 71-74 
Deadpool v2 56 
X-Men Unlimited 32/3 
X-Man 75 
X-Men Unlimited 33/1 
Weapon X  the Draft: Wild Child-FB 
Weapon X  the Draft: Agent Zero 
Deadpool v2 57-60 
Deadpool v2 61-64 
X-Force 114-115 
Cable v2 101-104 
X-Force 116-120 
Thunderbolts 54-60 
X-Treme X-Men 1-3 
Captain America v3 50/4-6 
X-Treme X-Men 4 
Wolverine v2 Annual 2001 
Wolverine v2 170-176 
X-Men Unlimited 31/2 
X-Force 121-122 
Avengers v3 45-54 
Cyclops 1-4 
X-Men Unlimited 36/3 
Iceman v2 1-4
X-Treme X-Men: Savage Land 1-4 
Generation X 75
X-Men Unlimited 34/2 
The Brotherhood 1-6 
Cable v2 105 
Nightcrawler v2 1-4 
the Brotherhood 7-9
Cable v2 106-107 
Uncanny X-Men 394
X-Men Unlimited 34/1 
X-Men Unlimited 33/2 
New X-Men 114-116 
Uncanny X-Men 395-398 
X-Treme X-Men 5-8 
New X-Men Annual 2001 
New X-Men 117 
New X-Men 118-121 
Uncanny X-Men 399-400 
Uncanny X-Men Annual 2001 
New X-Men 122 
Uncanny X-Men 401 
X-Treme X-Men 9 
New X-Men 123-126 
Uncanny X-Men 402-407 
X-Treme X-Men Annual 2001 
Avengers v3 56-FB 
X-Treme X-Men 10-17 
the Order 1-6 
Black Panther v3 41-47 
Uncanny X-Men 408-409 
Deadpool v2 67 
New X-Men 127 
X-Men Unlimited 36/1 
Avengers v3 56 
Deadpool v2 69 
New X-Men 128-130 
Wolverine v2 177-180 
X-Men Unlimited 36/2, p.12 
X-Treme X-Men 19
X-Treme X-Men: Xpose 1 (pages 1-4)
X-Treme X-Men: Xpose 1 (pages 5-7)
X-Treme X-Men: Xpose 1 (pages 8-13)
Icons: Chamber 1 (pages 1-12)
Icons: Chamber 1 (pages 13-23)
Icons: Chamber 2
Icons: Chamber 3
X-Treme X-Men: Xpose 2FB (pages 2-3)
X-Men 128 
X-Men 129
X-Men 130 
X-Treme X-Men: Xpose 1 (pages 14-23)
X-Treme X-Men: Xpose 2 (pages 1-18)
X-Men 131
X-Men 132
X-Men 133
Uncanny X-Men 410
Uncanny X-Men 411
Uncanny X-Men 412
Uncanny X-Men 413
X-Men 134
Wolverine 177 
Wolverine 178
Wolverine 179
Wolverine 180
Uncanny X-Men 414
Uncanny X-Men 415
Uncanny X-Men 416
Uncanny X-Men 417
Uncanny X-Men 418 
Uncanny X-Men 419
X-Treme X-Men: Xpose 2 (pages 19-22)
X-Treme X-Men 20
X-Treme X-Men 21 
X-Treme X-Men 22
X-Treme X-Men 23
Wolverine: Netsuke
X-Men Unlimited 39/2
X-Men 135
X-Men 136
X-Men 137
X-Men 138

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Re: X-Men &amp; Related Titles Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Administrator on February 26, 2003 at 22:30:26:
In Reply to: X-Men & Related Titles Chronology version 1.0
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 26, 2003 at 20:09:53:

Bravo, Jimmy.

I'll start a new page. Can someone add Avengers and related titles (Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, et al) to this list? We'll follow it with Spider-Man, then the other classic Marvel heroes (Hulk, Dr. Strange, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Sub-Mariner, Nick Fury, Silver Surfer), and go from there.

Eventually, a Reader's Guide to the Marvel Universe.

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Re: X-Men &amp; Related Titles Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:00:39:
In Reply to: Re: X-Men & Related Titles Chronology version 1.0
posted by Administrator on February 26, 2003 at 22:30:26:

Bravo to you!  If it wasn't for you, none of this would be possible.  By the way, all of the stuff I post on here is public domain as far as I'm concerned. Feel free to turn any of it into additional HTML pages for the MCP. 

Keep up the good work!
Jimmy

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Re: X-Men &amp; Related Titles Chronology version 1.0
Posted by bsl on March 05, 2003 at 07:28:31:
In Reply to: Re: X-Men & Related Titles Chronology version 1.0
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:00:39:

ive done something similar over at : http://xmenguide.3utilities.com

check it out

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MAGMA II...MAGNETO...MAGNUS
Posted by Arthur Stein on February 27, 2003 at 17:49:28:

new entries marked **

MAGMA II/JONATHAN DARQUE
WOSM 17
WOSM 18-FB
**Q 3

MAGNETO/MAGNUS/"ERIC LENSHERR"
AWC 59
**AWC 60
W2 23

MAGNUS
ASM@ 22/3-FB
A 186-FB
ASM@ 22/3-FB
++UX@ 12/3  (this entry should be tagged as a FB )
**WOSM@ 4/3-FB
S-W 2

Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 
#69

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Avengers Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:23:23:

AVENGERS (ALL TEAMS)
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Roster: Ant-Man 1 (aka Giant Man 1, Goliath 1), Beast, Black Knight 3, Black Panther, Black Widow, Captain America 1, Captain Marvel 1, Crystal, Darkhawk, Deathcry, Demolition Man, Dr. Druid, Falcon, Firebird, Firestar, Gilgamesh, Goliath 4, Hawkeye (aka Goliath 2), Hellcat, Hercules, Hulk, Human Torch 1, Invisible Woman, Iron Man, Jocasta, Justice, Living Lightning, Machine Man, Magdalene, Mantis, Masque 2, Mockingbird, Moira Brannon, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Mr. Fantastic, Photon (aka Captain Marvel 2), Quasar, Quicksilver, Rage, Rick Jones, Sandman, Scarlet Witch, Sersi, She-Hulk, Silverclaw, Spider-Man, Spider-Woman 2, Starfox, Stingray, Sub-Mariner, Swordsman 1, Swordsman 2, Thing, Thor, Thunderstrike, Tigra, Triathlon, USAgent, Vision 2, War Machine, Warbird (aka Ms. Marvel), Wasp, Wonder Man, Yellowjacket
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Avengers 1
Avengers 1.5
Avengers 2
Tales of Suspense 49 
Avengers 3
Avengers 4
Fantastic Four 25
Fantastic Four 26
Avengers 5
Avengers 6
Journey into Mystery 101
Journey into Mystery 105
Tales of Suspense 56 
Avengers 7
Journey into Mystery 108
Tales to Astonish 59
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1
Tales of Suspense 58
Avengers 8
Amazing Spider-Man 18 ~ Untold Tales of Spider-Man Annual 2 
Avengers 9
Tales of Suspense 59
Fantastic four 31
Tales of Suspense 60
Avengers 10
Uncanny X-Men 9
Avengers 11
Avengers 12
Avengers 13
Avengers 14
Fantastic Four 36 
Avengers 15
Avengers 16
Avengers 17
Journey into Mystery 120 
Avengers 18
Fantantic Four Annual 3 
Avengers 19
Avengers 20
Avengers 21
Avengers 22
Avengers 23
Avengers 24
Avengers 25
Tales of Suspense 72 
Avengers 26
Avengers 27
Avengers 28
Avengers 29
Avengers 30
Avengers 31
Avengers 32
Avengers 33
Tales of Suspense 84 
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 3
Avengers 34
Avengers 35
Avengers 36
Avengers 37
Avengers 38
Avengers 39
Avengers 40
Strange Tales 156
Avengers 41
Avengers 42
Avengers 43
Avengers 44
Tales of Suspense 92 
Avengers Annual 1
Avengers 45
Avengers 46
Avengers 47
Avengers 48
Avengers 49
Avengers 50
Avengers 51
Avengers 52
Uncanny X-Men 45
Avengers 53
Avengers 54
Avengers 55
Avengers 56
Avengers Annual 2
Avengers 57
Sub-Mariner 8 
Avengers 58
Avengers 59
Avengers 60
Captain America 113
Dr. Strange 178
Avengers 61
Avengers 62
Avengers 63
Sub-Mariner 14
Captain Marvel 14
Daredevil 52 
Avengers 64
Avengers 65
Captain America 114
Jungle Action 16
Captain America 115
Captain America 116
Avengers 66
Captain America 117
Captain America 118
Captain Marvel 17
Captain America 119
Avengers 67
Avengers 68
Iron Man 18 
Iron Man 19
Avengers 69
Avengers 70
Avengers 71
Invaders Annual 1
Avengers 72
Avengers 73
Avengers 74
Captain America 121
Avengers 75
Avengers 76
Incredible Hulk 128 
Avengers 77
Avengers 78
Avengers 79
Avengers 80
Avengers 81
Daredevil 69
Avengers 82
Avengers 83
Ka-Zar Quarterly (Vol. 1) 1
Avengers 84
Avengers 85
Avengers 86
Avengers 87
Sub-Mariner 35
Avengers 88
Incredible Hulk 140 
Iron Man 39
Avengers 89
Avengers 90
Avengers 91
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 8
Avengers 92
Avengers 93
Avengers 94
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 1) 9
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 1) 10
Avengers 95
Avengers 96
Avengers 97
Avengers 98
Avengers 99
Avengers 100
Avengers 101
Incredible Hulk 153 
Avengers 102
Avengers 103
Avengers 104
Captain America 154 
Avengers 105
Marvel Team-Up 7
Avengers 106
Avengers 107
Avengers 108
Avengers 109
Marvel Feature 10 
Fantastic Four 133 
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 15
Avengers 110
Daredevil 99
Avengers 111
Avengers 112
Marvel Team-Up 9
Marvel Team-Up 10
Marvel Team-Up 11 
Avengers 113
Avengers 114
Avengers 115
Defenders 8 
Avengers 116
Defenders 9 
Avengers 117
Defenders 10 
Avengers 118
Defenders 11 
Avengers 119
Iron Man 55
Iron Man 56
Captain Mar-Vell 27
Captain Mar-Vell 28
Captain Mar-Vell 29
Avengers 120
Avengers 121
Avengers 122
Avengers 123
Avengers 124
Avengers 125
Captain Mar-Vell 31 
Captain Mar-Vell 32
Captain Mar-Vell 33
Captain Mar-Vell 34
Avengers 126
Marvel Team-Up 20
Giant Size Avengers 1
Captain America 176 
Avengers 127
Fantastic Four 150 
Avengers 128
Avengers 129
Giant Size Avengers 2
Avengers 130
Avengers 131
Avengers 132
Giant Size Avengers 3
Avengers 133
Avengers 134
Avengers 135
Giant Size Avengers 4
Avengers 136
Captain America 183
Avengers 137
Avengers 138
Avengers 139
Avengers 140
Avengers 141
Avengers 142
Avengers 143
Avengers 144
Avengers 147
Avengers 148
Avengers 149
Avengers 145 -
Avengers 146
Captain America 224
Avengers 150
Avengers 151
Avengers 152
Avengers 153
Avengers Annual 6
Avengers 154
Super Villan Team-Up 9
Avengers 155
Avengers 156
Defenders 44
Marvel Super Special 1
Avengers 157
Avengers 158
Avengers 159
Avengers 160
Captain Mar-Vell 50
Captain Mar-Vell 51
Avengers 161
Avengers 162
Avengers 169 
Avengers 163
Avengers 164
Avengers 165
Avengers 166
Uncanny X-Men 108
Super Villain Team-Up 14
Super Villain Team-Up 15
Champions 16
Avengers Annual 7
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 2 
Captain Mar-Vell 56
Avengers 167
Avengers 168
Ms. Marvel 18 
Defenders 58
Dr. Strange (Vol. 2) 29
Avengers 170
Avengers 171
Avengers 172
Avengers 173
Avengers 174
Avengers 175
Avengers 176
Avengers 177
Avengers Annual 8
Avengers 201/2
Thor 271
Avengers 178
Godzilla 23
Godzilla 24 
Avengers 179
Avengers 180
Captain America 237
Iron Man 114 
Iron Man 115 
Avengers 181
Avengers 182
Black Panther 14
Black Panther 15
Avengers 183
Avengers 184
Marvel Comics Presents 160
Avengers 185
Marvel Two-In-One 51 
Fantastic Four Annual 14 
Iron Man 125 
Avengers 186
Avengers 187
Avengers 188
Wonder Man One Shot
Avengers Annual 9
Avengers 189
Avengers 190
Avengers 191
Marvel Fanfare 23 
Avengers 192
Avengers 193
Avengers 194
Avengers 195
Avengers 196
Avengers 197
Captain America 250 
Avengers 198
Avengers 199
Avengers 200
Avengers 201
Avengers 202
Avengers 203
Avengers 204
Avengers 205
Dazzler 1
Avengers 206
Dazzler 2 
Fantastic Four 220 
Micronauts 28
Daredevil 164 
Incredible Hulk Annual 11 
Marvel Two-In-One 75
Avengers 207
Avengers 208
Fantastic Four 230 
Avengers 209
Avengers Annual 10
Avengers 210
Avengers 211
Defenders 98 
Defenders 99 
Defenders 100
Marvel Graphic Novel 1 
Avengers 212
Avengers 213
Avengers 214
Avengers 215
Avengers 216
Avengers 217
Avengers 218
Fantastic Four 243 
Fantastic Four 244 
Defenders 107
Avengers 219
Avengers 220
Avengers Annual 11
Micronauts 43
Avengers 221
Avengers 222
Avengers 223
Avengers 224
Dazzler 21
Avengers 225
Avengers 226
Incredible Hulk 277
Incredible Hulk 278
Incredible Hulk 279
Contest Of Champions 1
Contest Of Champions 2
Contest Of Champions 3
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 7
Marvel Two-In-One 96 
Vision & Scarlet Witch Vol. 1 3 
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 16 
Avengers 227
Incredible Hulk 281
Incredible Hulk 282
Incredible Hulk 283
Incredible Hulk 284 
Avengers 228
Avengers 229
Avengers 230
Avengers 231
Avengers 232
Avengers Annual 12
Thor 332
Fantastic Four 254 
Avengers 233
Fantastic Four 256 
Avengers 234
Thor 334
Avengers 235
Avengers 236
Avengers 237
Avengers 238
Avengers 239
Avengers 240
Avengers 241
Avengers 242
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 1
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 2
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 3
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 4
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 5
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 6
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 7
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 8
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 9
Thor 383
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 10
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 11
Marvel Super Hero's Secret Wars Vol. 1 12
Avengers 243
Amazing Spider-Man 252
Incredible Hulk 300 
Avengers 244
Avengers 245
Avengers Annual 13
Marvel Graphic Novel 17 
Avengers 246
Avengers 247
Avengers 248
Wonder Man One Shot 1
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 1) 1
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 1) 2
Iron Man Annual 7 
Avengers 249
Thor 350
Thor 351
Thor 352
Thor 353
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 1) 3
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 1) 4
Captain America 295 
Captain America 296 
Captain America 299 
Captain America 301 
Avengers 250
Iron Man 190
Avengers 251
Uncanny X-Men 190
Uncanny X-Men 191
Avengers 252
Iron Man 193 
Iron Man 194 
Avengers 253
Iron Man 195 
Avengers 254
Avengers 255
Rom 65
Rom 66
Captain America 308 
Marvel Graphic Novel 27 
Avengers 256
Avengers 257
Iron Man 206 
Avengers 258
Amazing Spider-Man 270 
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 1
Captain America 310 
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 1 
Avengers 259
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 2
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 2 
Avengers 260
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 3
Avengers Annual 14
Fantastic four Annual 19 
Secret Wars II 4
Avengers 261
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 4
Secret Wars II 5
Avengers 262
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 6 
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 5
Avengers 263
Fantastic Four 286 
Captain America 314 
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 6
Avengers 264
Incredible Hulk 316 
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 7
Secret Wars II 8
Avengers 265
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 8
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 9
Secret Wars II 9
Eternals (Vol. 2) 12
Avengers 266
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 7
New Mutants 40 
Avengers 267
Avengers 268
Avengers 269
Avengers 270
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 10
Incredible Hulk 321 
Incredible Hulk 322 
Incredible Hulk 323
Power Man & Iron Fist 125 
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 11
Avengers 271
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 12
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 13
Avengers 272
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 12 
Avengers Annual 15
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) Annual 1
Captain America 323
Captain America 324
Power Pack 28 
Avengers 273
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 14
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 15
Amazing Spider-Man 283 
Avengers 274
Avengers 275
Avengers 276
Avengers 277
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 16
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 17
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 18
Avengers 278
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 19
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 20
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 21
Avengers 279
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 22
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 23
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 24
Avengers 280
Avengers 281
Avengers 282
Avengers 283
Avengers 284
Avengers 285
Mephisto vs. Avengers 4
Thor 381
X-Men Vs. Avengers 1
X-Men Vs. Avengers 2
X-Men Vs. Avengers 3
X-Men Vs. Avengers 4
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) Annual 2
Avengers Annual 16
Avengers 286
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 25
Avengers 287
Avengers 288
Avengers 289
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 26
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 27
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 28
Iron Man 226
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 29
Iron Man 227
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 30
Captain America 339
Iron Man 228
Captain America 340
Avengers 290
Thor 390
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 31
Alpha Flight 61
Iron Man 229
Captain America 341
Avengers 291
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 32
Avengers 292
Avengers 293
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 33
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 34
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 35
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 36
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 37
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) Annual 3
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 38
Avengers 294
Nick Fury vs. Shield 2
Web of Spider-Man 42
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 39
X-Force 32
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 40
Avengers 295
Avengers 296
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 41
Avengers 297
Thor 396
Thor 397
Thor 398
Thor 399
Thor 400
Avengers 298
Avengers Annual 17
Captain America 349
Avengers 299
Avengers 300
X-Force Annual 4
Thor 402
Avengers 301
Avengers 302
Avengers 303
Avengers Spotlight 21
Web of Spider-Man 46
Avengers 304
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 42
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 43
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 44
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 45
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 46
Avengers Spotlight 23/2
Avengers 305
Avengers 306
Avengers 307
Avengers 308
Avengers Spotlight 22/2
Avengers 309
Avengers 310
Fantastic Four 333
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 47
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 48
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 49
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 50
Avengers West Coast 51
Avengers West Coast 52
Marvel super Heroes (Vol. 3) 9
Avengers Annual 18
Avengers West Coast Annual 4
Thor Annual 14
Fantastic Four Annual 22
Avengers Spotlight 26
Avengers 311
Quasar 5
Captain America 365
Fantastic Four 334
Avengers West Coast 53
Avengers Spotlight 27
Avengers 312
Avengers West Coast 54
Avengers Spotlight 28
Avengers 313
Avengers West Coast 55
Avengers Spotlight 29
Avengers West Coast 56
Avengers 314
Avengers West Coast 57
Avengers 315
Avengers West Coast 58
Avengers 316
Avengers West Coast 59
Avengers 317
Avengers West Coast 60
Avengers 318
Avengers West Coast 61
Avengers West Coast 62
Quasar 11
Quasar 12
Avengers: Deathtrap - The Vault
Avengers 319
Avengers 320
Avengers 321
Avengers 322
Avengers 323
Avengers 324
Avengers 325
Captain America Annual 19 
Iron Man Annual 11 
Thor Annual 15 
Avengers West Coast Annual 5 
Avengers Annual 19 
Avengers 326
Avengers 327
Avengers West Coast 63
Avengers 328
Avengers Spotlight 30
Avengers Spotlight 31
Avengers Spotlight 32
Avengers Spotlight 33
Avengers Spotlight 34
Avengers Spotlight 35
Avengers Spotlight 36
Avengers Spotlight 37
Avengers Spotlight 38
Avengers Spotlight 39
Captain America 379
Captain America 380
Captain America 381
Captain America 382
Captain America 383 
Captain America 384
Quasar 17
Avengers 329
Thor 419
She-Hulk (Vol. 2) 25
Avengers West Coast 64
Avengers West Coast 65
Avengers West Coast 66
Avengers West Coast 67
Avengers West Coast 68
Avengers 330
Avengers 331
Avengers West Coast 69
X-Factor 66
Amazing Spider-Man 348 
Alpha Flight 98 
Alpha Flight 99
Alpha Flight 100 
Alpha Flight 101 
Quasar 25
Infinity Gauntlet 1
Infinity Gauntlet 2
Infinity Gauntlet 3
Infinity Gauntlet 4
Infinity Gauntlet 5
Infinity Gauntlet 6
Avengers 332
Avengers 333
Avengers Annual 20
Avengers West Coast Annual 6
Avengers West Coast 70
Avengers West Coast 71
Avengers West Coast 72
Avengers 334
Avengers West Coast 73
Avengers 335
Avengers West Coast 74
Avengers 336
Avengers West Coast 75
Avengers 337
Avengers West Coast 76
Avengers 338
Avengers West Coast 77
Avengers 339
Avengers West Coast 78
Avengers West Coast 79
Uncanny X-Men 286
Thor (Vol. 1) 436
Quasar 28 (Page 1 through 8, panel 4)
Thor (Vol. 1) 437
Quasar 28 (Page 8, panel 5 through Page 22)
Quasar 29
Captain America (Vol. 1) 395
Avengers 340
New Warriors 1
Avengers 341
Avengers 342
Avengers 343
Avengers 344
Captain America 398 
Avengers West Coast 80 
Quasar 32 
Wonder Man 7 
Avengers 345 
Iron Man 278 
Thor 445 
Captain America 399 
Avengers West Coast 81 
Quasar 33 
Wonder Man 8 
Avengers 346 
Iron Man 279 
Thor 446 
Captain America 400 
Avengers West Coast 82 
Quasar 34 
Wonder Man 9 
Avengers 347 
Captain America 401 
Quasar 35 
Captain America (Vol. 1) 402
Avengers 350/2
Infinity War 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 367
Infinity War 2 ~ Moon Knight (Vol. 3) 41 ~ Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 110
Infinity War 3 ~ Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 368 ~ Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 13 ~ New Warriors (Vol. 1) 27
Infinity War 4 ~ Moon Knight (Vol. 3) 43
Infinity War 5
Infinity War 6
Thor (Vol. 1) Annual 17-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 25 
Avengers Annual 21 
Avengers West Coast Annual 7
Avengers 348
Avengers 349
Quasar 41
Quasar 42
Avengers 350
Avengers West Coast 83
Avengers 351
Avengers West Coast 84
Avengers 352
Avengers West Coast 85
Avengers 353
Avengers West Coast 86
Avengers 354
Avengers West Coast 87
Avengers 355
Avengers West Coast 88
Avengers 356
Avengers West Coast 89
Avengers 357
Avengers West Coast 90
Avengers 358
Avengers West Coast 91
Avengers 359
Avengers West Coast 92
Avengers 360
Avengers West Coast 93
Avengers 361
Avengers West Coast 94
Avengers 362
Avengers West Coast 95
Quasar 47
Avengers 363
Avengers West Coast 96
Avengers 364
Avengers West Coast 97
Avengers 365
Avengers West Coast 98
Avengers 366
Avengers West Coast 99
Avengers West Coast 100
Avengers 367
Avengers 368
X-Men 26
Avengers West Coast 101
Uncanny X-Men 307
Avengers 369
Avengers 370
Avengers 371
Avengers 372
Avengers 373
Thunderstrike 9
Avengers 374
Avengers 375
Avengers West Coast 102
Quasar 60
Captain America 430
Force Works 1
Force Works 2
Thunderstrike 10
Avengers 376
Avengers Annual 23
War Machine 4
Force Works 3
Force Works 4
Avengers 377
Captain America 431
Captain America 432
Captain America 433
Captain America 434
Avengers 378
Force Works 5
Marvel Comics Presents 169 
Marvel Comics Presents 170 
Avengers 379
War Machine 8
Iron Man 310
Force Works 6 
War Machine 9 
Iron Man 311 
Force Works 7 
War Machine 10 
Iron Man 312 
Avengers 380
Avengers 381
Force Works 8
Force Works 9
Avengers 382
Namor 58
Thunderstrike 19
Force Works 10
Fantastic Four 400
Avengers 383
Captain America 437
Iron Man 314
Captain America 438
Iron Man 315
Force Works 11
Force Works 12
War Machine 14
Thunderstrike 20
Avengers 384
Avengers 385
Captain America 439 
Avengers 386
Captain America 440 
Avengers 387 
Captain America 441 
Avengers 388 
Captain America 442
Iron Man 317
Fantastic Four Unplugged 1
Force Works 13
Force Works 14
Thunderstrike 23
Thunderstrike 24
Avengers 389
Avengers 390
Avengers Unplugged 1
Avengers Unplugged 2
Lunatik 2
Avengers Unplugged 3
Incredible Hulk 434
Captain America 443
Captain America 444
Captain America 445
Iron Man 319 
Force Works 15 
Avengers: The Crossing 
Iron Man 320 
Force Works 16 
Avengers 391 
Iron Man 321 
Force Works 17 
War Machine 20 
Avengers 392 
Iron Man 322 
Force Works 18 
War Machine 21 
Iron Man 323 
Avengers 393 
Force Works 19 
War Machine 22 
Iron Man 324 
Avengers 394 
Avengers: Timeslide 
Iron Man 325 
Avengers 395 
Force Works 20 
Iron Man: Age of Innocence
Thor 495
Captain America 449 
Thor 496 
Iron Man 326 
Avengers 396 
Avengers 397
Avengers 398
New Warriors 72
Spider-Man Team-Up 4
Avengers 399
Avengers 400
Onslaught: X-Men
Uncanny X-Men 335
Avengers 401
Fantastic Four 415
X-Men 55
Uncanny X-Men 336
Incredible Hulk 445
Iron Man 332
Avengers 402
Fantastic Four 416
X-Men 56
Onslaught: Marvel Universe
Avengers (Vol. 2) 1
Avengers (Vol. 2) 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 3
Avengers (Vol. 2) 3
Avengers (Vol. 2) 4
Avengers (Vol. 2) 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 6 
Iron Man (Vol. 2) 6 
Avengers (Vol. 2) 6 
Captain America (Vol. 2) 6 
Avengers (Vol. 2) 7
Avengers (Vol. 2) 8
Avengers (Vol. 2) 9
Avengers (Vol. 2) 10
Avengers (Vol. 2) 11
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 12 
Iron Man (Vol. 2) 12 
Avengers (Vol. 2) 12 
Captain America (Vol. 2) 12 
Journey Into Mystery 513
Heroes Reborn: The Return 1
Heroes Reborn: The Return 2
Heroes Reborn: The Return 3
Heroes Reborn: The Return 4
Avengers (Vol. 3) 1
Avengers (Vol. 3) 2
Avengers (Vol. 3) 3
Thunderbolts 11
Thunderbolts 12
Avengers (Vol. 3) 4
Quicksilver 4
Quicksilver 5
Quicksilver 6
Captain America (Vol. 3) 5
Captain America (Vol. 3) 6
Captain America (Vol. 3) 7
Thor (Vol. 2) 1
Thor (Vol. 2) 2
Avengers (Vol. 3) 5
Avengers (Vol. 3) 6
Quicksilver 10
Avengers (Vol. 3) 7
Avengers '98
Avengers (Vol. 3) 8
Avengers (Vol. 3) 9
Iron Man (Vol. 3) 9
Iron Man (Vol. 3) 10
Incredible Hulk 470
Avengers Forever 1
Avengers (Vol. 3) 10
Avengers (Vol. 3) 11
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) 1
Avengers (Vol. 3) 12
Avengers '99
Avengers (Vol. 3) 13
Avengers (Vol. 3) 14
Avengers (Vol. 3) 15
Captain America (Vol. 3) 16
Thunderbolts 25
Black Panther (Vol. 3) 9
Avengers (Vol. 3) 16
Avengers (Vol. 3) 17
Avengers (Vol. 3) 18
Avengers (Vol. 3) 19
Avengers (Vol. 3) 20
Avengers (Vol. 3) 21
Avengers (Vol. 3) 22
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 3) 3
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 3) 5
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 3) 7
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 23
Captain America '99
Domination Factor 1.2
Domination Factor 2.4
Domination Factor 3.6
Domination Factor 4.7
Domination Factor 4.8
Thor (Vol. 2) 18
Thor (Vol. 2) 19
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 24
Iron Man (Vol. 3) 25
Avengers (Vol. 3) 23
Thunderbolts 34
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 26
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 27
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 28
Avengers (Vol. 3) 24
Avengers (Vol. 3) 25
Avengers (Vol. 3) 26
Avengers (Vol. 3) 27
Avengers (Vol. 3) 28
Avengers (Vol. 3) 29
Avengers (Vol. 3) 30
Thunderbolts '00
Avengers Two: Wonder Man & Beast 1
Magneto: Dark Seduction 1
Magneto: Dark Seduction 2
Magneto: Dark Seduction 3
Magneto: Dark Seduction 4
Avengers '00
Deadpool (Vol. 3) 44
Black Panther (Vol. 3) 23
Avengers (Vol. 3) 31
Hulk '00
Avengers (Vol. 3) 32
Thunderbolts 43
Avengers (Vol. 3) 33
Thunderbolts 44
Avengers (Vol. 3) 34
Iron Fist/Wolverine 2
Maximum Security 1
Maximum Security 2-FB
Avengers (Vol. 3) 35-FB
Avengers (Vol. 3) 35
Maximum Security 3

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Re: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Administrator on February 27, 2003 at 22:07:16:
In Reply to: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:23:23:

Ah, but Jimmy, can you take the existing X-Men Chronology and incorporate the Avengers Chronology into it?

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Re: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Jeph! on February 27, 2003 at 22:43:09:
In Reply to: Re: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
posted by Administrator on February 27, 2003 at 22:07:16:

> Ah, but Jimmy, can you take the existing X-Men Chronology and incorporate the Avengers Chronology into it?

Isn't that the sort of thing that Paul Bourcier's calendar is attempting to do?  He might have a section of this already done...

-Jeph!

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Re: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 28, 2003 at 07:57:29:
In Reply to: Re: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
posted by Administrator on February 27, 2003 at 22:07:16:

I wish I could, but alas, my data is not massive enough to integrate both chronos.  I wish.

Hopefully, someone out there (maybe Paul) can help us.

Jimmy

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Re: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Paul Bourcier on March 01, 2003 at 15:57:56:
In Reply to: Re: Avengers Chronology version 1.0
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 28, 2003 at 07:57:29:

I do have chunks of X-Men and Avengers chronology (along with everyone else's) integrated into portions of an MU calendar, but it would take more time than I have right now to make it presentable.  In the meantime, compare your Avengers list to the Avengers timeline on the Avengers Assemble web site:  http://www.plexico.net/avengers/bourcier/bourciertoc.html

Right now, I'm integrating everyone's chronologies into a calendar covering the past 18 months of Marvel time.  Tedious work, but I'm making progress and things are looking pretty good.  More later...

--Paul

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Fantastic Four Chronology version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:26:47:

FANTASTIC FOUR
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 416/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 271-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 1-FB
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 101-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 11-FB
Thing 10-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 3
Tales of the Marvel Universe: Inner Demons
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 3
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 4
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 6
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 294-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 7
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 101
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 102
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 8
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 103
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 9
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 1/2
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 1/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 10
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 105
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 11
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 106
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 11/2
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 107
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 12
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 13
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 14
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 110
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 15
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 111
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 16
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 17
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 18
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 5
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 112
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) Annual 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 1
Avengers (Vol. 1) 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 19 
~ Dr. Strange (Vol. 2) 53 
~ West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 22
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 114
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 20
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 115
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 21
Fury 1-FB
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 116
Avengers (Vol. 1) 3
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 22
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 117
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 23
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 119
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 24
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 25
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 26
Marvel Comics Presents 18/4-FB
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 120
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 121
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 27
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 122
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 28
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 123
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 29
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 124
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 30
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 125
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) Annual 1
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 126
Marvels 2
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 3-FB-FB
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 18
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 127
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 2/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 31
Tales of Suspense 56/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 32
Untold Tales of Spider-Man '97
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 33
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 128
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 118
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 34
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 8/2
Untold Tales of Spider-Man '96
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 129
Avengers (Vol. 1) 13
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 35
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 130
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 36
Marvels 2
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 131
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 37
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 132
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 133
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 134
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 38
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 39
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 40
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 41
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 42
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 43
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 3 ~ Marvel Heroes & Legends
Avengers (Vol. 1) 144-FB
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 161-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 44
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 45
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 46
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 47
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 48
Marvels 3
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 48
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 49
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 50
Avengers (Vol. 1) 25
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 50
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 51
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 52
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 53
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 54
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 55
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 56
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 4
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 57
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 58
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 59
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 60
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 61
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 62
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 63
Strange Tales (Vol. 1) 156
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 64
Avengers (Vol. 1) 42
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 65
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 66
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 67
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 36
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 68
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 68
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 69
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 70
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 71
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 72
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 38
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 73
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 74
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 75
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 76
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 77
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 78
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 79
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) Annual 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 80
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 6
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 81
Avengers (Vol. 1) 60
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 82
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 83
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 84
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 85
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 86
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 87
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 88
Silver Surfer (Vol. 1) 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 88
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 89
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 90
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 91
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 92
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 93
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 122
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 123
Uncanny X-Men 65
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 94
Avengers (Vol. 1) 82
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 95
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 108-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 96
Silver Surfer (Vol. 1) 15
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 97
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 98
Silver Surfer (Vol. 1) 17
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 99 ~ Marvel: The Lost Generation 7
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 100
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Magazine 1
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Magazine 2
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Magazine 3
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Magazine 4
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Magazine 5
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Magazine 6
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 101
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 1
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 102
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 103
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 104
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 105
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 106
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 107
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 108
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 109
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 110
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 111
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 112
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 113
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 114
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 115
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 116
Avengers (Vol. 1) 92
Avengers (Vol. 1) 94
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 117
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 118
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 118/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 118
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 119
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 120
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 121
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 122
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 123
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 124
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 125
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 3
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 152
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 153
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 126
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 127
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 128
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 129
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 130
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 131
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 132
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 133
Luke Cage, Hero for Hire 9
Avengers (Vol. 1) 118
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 134
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 135
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 136
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 137
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 138
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 139
Marvel Feature 11
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 140
Sub-Mariner 67
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 140
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 141
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 142
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 143
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 144
Marvel Two-In-One 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 145
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 145-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 146
Giant-Size Super-Stars 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 147
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 148
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 149
Giant-Size Fantastic Four 2
Marvel Two-In-One 3
Marvel Two-In-One 4
Avengers (Vol. 1) 127
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 150
Avengers (Vol. 1) 128
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 151
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 152
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 153
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 154
Giant-Size Fantastic Four 3
Giant-Size Man-Thing 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 155
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 156
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 157
Giant-Size Fantastic Four 4
Marvel Two-In-One 8
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 32
Marvel Two-In-One 9
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 158
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 159
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 160
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 161
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 162
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 163
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 164
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 165
Marvel Two-In-One 14
Marvel Two-In-One 16
Marvel Two-In-One 17
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 166
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 167
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 168
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 169
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 170
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 11
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 1
Marvel Two-In-One 20
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 171
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 172
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 173
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 174
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 175
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 176
Marvel Two-In-One 21
Marvel Two-In-One 22
Marvel Two-In-One 23
Super-Villain Team-Up 5
Super-Villain Team-Up 6
Super-Villain Team-Up 7
Marvel Super-Special 1
Marvel Treasury Edition 13
Rampaging Hulk (Vol. 2) 4
Rampaging Hulk (Vol. 2) 5
Marvel Two-In-One 27
Marvel Two-In-One 28
Marvel Two-In-One 32
Marvel Two-In-One 36
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 176
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 177
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 178
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 179
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 181
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 182
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 183
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 184
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 185
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 186
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 187
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 188
Iron Fist 11
Uncanny X-Men 107
Uncanny X-Men 108
Marvel Two-In-One 44-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 190
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 191
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 192
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 193
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 194
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 195
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 196
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 197
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 198
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 199
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 200
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 201
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 12
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 13
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 14
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 202
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 203
Godzilla 20
Godzilla 21
Marvel Two-In-One 46
Godzilla 22
Godzilla 23
Godzilla 24
Marvel Two-In-One 46
Marvel Two-In-One 47
Marvel Two-In-One 50
Marvel Two-In-One 59
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) Annual 2
Machine Man 15
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 204
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 205
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 206
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 208
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 209
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 210
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 211
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 212
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 213
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 214
Marvel Two-In-One 60
Uncanny X-Men 135
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 14
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 215
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 216
Marvel Two-In-One 64
Marvel Two-In-One 67
Marvel Two-In-One 68
Marvel Two-In-One 69
Defenders 86
Marvel Two-In-One 70
Dazzler 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 217
Micronauts (Vol. 1) 14
Micronauts (Vol. 1) 15
Micronauts (Vol. 1) 16
Micronauts (Vol. 1) 17
Marvel Two-In-One 71
Marvel Two-In-One 72
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 218
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 219
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 220
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 221
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 164
Shogun Warriors 19
Shogun Warriors 20
Marvel Two-In-One 74
Thor (Vol. 1) 305
Marvel Two-In-One 74
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 250
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 222
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 223
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 15
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 224
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 225
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 100
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 226
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 227
H Annual 11
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 228
Marvel Two-In-One 75
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 215
Marvel Two-In-One 77
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 229
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 230
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 231
Dazzler 3
Dazzler 4
Marvel Two-In-One 77
Marvel Two-In-One 78
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 6
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 232
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 233
Marvel Two-In-One 80
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 233
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 234
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 235
Uncanny X-Men Annual 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 236
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 237
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 238
Rom 23
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 14-FB
Marvel Graphic Novel 1
Silver Surfer (Vol. 1) Annual 6-FB
Avengers (Vol. 1) 216
Marvel Two-In-One 81
Marvel Two-In-One 82
Marvel Two-In-One 83
Marvel Two-In-One 84
Marvel Two-In-One 85
Marvel Two-In-One 86
Marvel Two-In-One 86/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 16
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 238/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 239
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 240
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 241
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 242
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 243
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 244-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 244
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 159
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 245
She-Hulk (Vol. 2) 30
Micronauts (Vol. 1) 40
Marvel Two-In-One 87
Silver Surfer (Vol. 2) 1
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 2/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 246
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 247
Dazzler 18
Marvel Two-In-One 89
Dazzler 21
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 248
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 277
Uncanny X-Men 167
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 278
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 279
Contest of Champions 1
Contest of Champions 2
Contest of Champions 3
Marvel Two-In-One 91
Marvel Two-In-One 92
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 7
Marvel Two-In-One 96
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 266-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 299-FB
Marvel Two-In-One 97
Marvel Two-In-One 98
Marvel Two-In-One 99
Avengers (Vol. 1) 227
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 249
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 250
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 12
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 251
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 252
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 253
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 254
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 255
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 256
Avengers (Vol. 1) 233 
~ Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 256
Thing 2 
~ Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 257
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 17
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 17
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 257
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 259
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 260
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 261
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 262
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 43/2
Moon Knight (Vol. 1) 35
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 293
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 299-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 263
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 264
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 15
Spectacular Spider-Man 89
Thing 10
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 265-FB
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 1
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 2
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 3
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 4
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 5
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 6
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 7
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 8
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 9
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 10
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 11
Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars 12
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 265
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 266-BTS
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 267
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 268
Code of Honor 3
Marvel Graphic Novel 17
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 18
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 269
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 270
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 358-FB
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 258
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 259
Avengers (Vol. 1) 249
Thor (Vol. 1) 351
Thor (Vol. 1) 352
Spectacular Spider-Man 97
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 271
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 272
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 273
Sub-Mariner (Vol. 2) 3
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 274
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 275
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 276
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 277
Thing 23
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 275/2
Thing 25
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 278
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 279
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 280
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 281
Secret Wars II 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 280
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 281
Secret Wars II 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 282
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 283
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 284
Marvel Graphic Novel 18
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 19 
~ Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 14
Secret Wars II 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 285
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 286
Defenders 152
Captain America (Vol. 1) 314
Avengers (Vol. 1) 264
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 287
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 288
Secret Wars II 9
Avengers (Vol. 1) 266
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 289
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 290
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 291
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 292
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 37/2
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 10
Power Pack 23
Power Pack 25
Power Pack 26
Power Pack 28
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 321
Power Man & Iron Fist 125
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 293
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 294
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 295
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 296
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 297
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 298
Comet Man 4
Comet Man 5
Mephisto vs... 1
Mephisto vs... 2
Mephisto vs... 3
Fantastic Four vs. X-Men 1
Fantastic Four vs. X-Men 2
Fantastic Four vs. X-Men 3
Fantastic Four vs. X-Men 4
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 22/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 299
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 300
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 301
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 302
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 303
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 22
West Coast Avengers (Vol. 2) 23
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 43/2
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 46
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 304
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 305
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 20
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 306
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 307
Power Pack 34
Power Pack 36
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 308
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 309
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 310
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 311
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 312
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 313-FB
Alpha Flight 61
Damage Control (Vol. 1) 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 313
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 314
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 315
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 316
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 317
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 21
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 342-FB
Nick Fury vs. Shield 2
Cloak & Dagger (Vol. 3) 2
Marvel Comics Presents 13/3
Marvel Comics Presents 64/3
Marvel Comics Presents 65/3
Marvel Comics Presents 66/3
Marvel Comics Presents 67/3
Marvel Comics Presents 68/3
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 15
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 21
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 318
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 319 ~ Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 16
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 320
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 17
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 18
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 19
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 321
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 322
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 323
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 324
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 325
Avengers (Vol. 1) 299
Avengers (Vol. 1) 300
Avengers (Vol. 1) 300
Thor (Vol. 1) 402
Power Pack 48
Marvel Comics Presents 18/4
Avengers (Vol. 1) 301
Avengers (Vol. 1) 302
Avengers (Vol. 1) 303
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 18/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 326
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 327
Thor (Vol. 1) 405
Avengers (Vol. 1) 305
Avengers (Vol. 1) 307
Avengers (Vol. 1) 308
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 327
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 328
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 329
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 330
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 331
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 332
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 333
She-Hulk: Ceremony 1
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 18
Web of Spider-Man Annual 5
Avengers West Coast Annual 4
Thor (Vol. 1) Annual 14
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 22
Darkhawk 25-FB
Death's Head 9
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 334
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 335
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 336
Power Pack 54
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 365
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 337
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 338
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 339
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 340
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 341-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 341
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 342
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 343
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 344
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 345
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 346
Power Pack 56
Power Pack 59
Nick Fury (Vol. 3) 24
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 23
New Mutants Annual 6
X-Factor Annual 5
Uncanny X-Men Annual 14
Nick Fury (Vol. 3) 15
Namor 4
Namor 5
She-Hulk (Vol. 2) 23
Namor Annual 1/3
Power Pack 61
Power Pack 62
Avengers (Vol. 1) 327
Power Pack 62
Alpha Flight 92
Alpha Flight 93-FB
Alpha Flight 93
Alpha Flight 94
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 347
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 348
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 349
Quasar 20
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 275
Web of Spider-Man 76
X-Factor 66
Namor 13
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 24
Namor 13
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 24
Avengers (Vol. 1) 332
Avengers (Vol. 1) 333
Damage Control (Vol. 3) 4
Avengers West Coast 75
Deathlok (Vol. 2) 3
Deathlok (Vol. 2) 4
Deathlok (Vol. 2) 5
Marvel Comics Presents 94/4
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 351
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 350
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 352
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 353
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 354
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 355
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 356
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 357
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 358
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 359
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 360
New Warriors 16
New Warriors 17
Spider-Man 23
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 361
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 362
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 363
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 364
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 365
Warlock & The Infinity Watch 3
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 53
She-Hulk (Vol. 2) 48
She-Hulk (Vol. 2) 49
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 362
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 363
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 25/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 25/3
Sleepwalker 14
Sleepwalker 15
Sleepwalker 16
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 366 ~ Infinity War 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 367 ~ Infinity War 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 368 
~ Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 13 
~ Infinity War 3 
~ Moon Knight (Vol. 3) 41
Infinity War 3 ~ Quasar 38 
~ Warlock & The Infinity Watch 8
Infinity War 4 
~ Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 14 
~ Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 369
Quasar 39 ~ Infinity War 4
Infinity War 5
Quasar 40
Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 15
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 370 
~ Infinity War 6 
~ Moon Knight (Vol. 3) 44
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 25
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 21
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 399
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 371
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 372
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 373
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 381
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 388
Fantastic Four Unlimited 6
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 93
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 94
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 95
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 96
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 97
Quasar 60
Fantastic Four Unlimited 7
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 27
Fantastic Four Unlimited 8
Fantastic Four Unlimited 9
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 389
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 390
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 391
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 392
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 393
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 394
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 395
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 396
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 397
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 398
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 399
Fantastic Force 7
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 400
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 400/2
Cosmic Powers Unlimited 1
Fantastic Four Unlimited 10
Atlantis Rising 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 401
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 402
Fantastic Force 9
Atlantis Rising 2
Fantastic Four Unplugged 1
Fantastic Four Unplugged 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 403
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 404
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 405
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 406
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 407
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 407
Fantastic Four Unplugged 3
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 407
Fantastic Four Unlimited 12
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 408
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 409
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 410
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 411
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 412
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 413
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 414
Avengers (Vol. 1) 400
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 415
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 416
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 6
Iron Man (Vol. 2) 6
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 7
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 450/2
Iron Man (Vol. 2) 9
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 8
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 9
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 10
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 11
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 12
Iron Man (Vol. 2) 12
Heroes Reborn: The Return 1
Heroes Reborn: The Return 2
Heroes Reborn: The Return 3
Heroes Reborn: The Return 4
X-Men 71-FB ~ Thunderbolts 10-FB
Captain America (Vol. 3) 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 2
Shadows & Light 2
Iron Man (Vol. 3) 1
Avengers (Vol. 3) 1
Thunderbolts 11
Thunderbolts 12
Sensational Spider-Man 28
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 3
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 4
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 5
Thor '99
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 6
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 7
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 8
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 9-FB
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 2) 467-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 9
Uncanny X-Men/Fantastic Four '98
Thor (Vol. 2) 5
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 10
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 11
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 12
Spectacular Spider-Man 263
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 146
Avengers (Vol. 3) 10
Avengers (Vol. 3) 11
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) 1
Daredevil (Vol. 2) 8
Galactus 1
Galactus 2
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 2) 4
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 13
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 14
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 15
Iron Man (Vol. 3) 14
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 16
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 17-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 17
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 18
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 19
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 20
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 21
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 22 

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Team & Group Chronologies version 1.0
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:41:40:

ALLIANCE OF EVIL
Roster: Frenzy, Stinger, Timeshadow, Tower
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X-Factor 4
X-Factor 5
X-Factor 6
X-Factor 33
New Mutants Annual 7


ALL-WINNERS SQUAD
What If? (Vol. 1) 4
All Winners 19
All Winners 21
She-Hulk (Vol. 2) 22


ALPHA FLIGHT
Roster: Aurora, Box 1, Box 2, Box 4, Flex, Ghost Girl 2, Guardian 1 (aka Vindicator 1), Guardian 5, Madison Jeffries, Manbot, Manikin, Marrina, Murmur 2, Northstar, Puck, Radius, Sasquatch 1 (aka Box 3), Sasquatch 2, Shaman 1, Snowbird, Talisman 2, Vindicator 2 (aka Guardian 2), Wolverine
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Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 2/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 3/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 34-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 33-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 3/2
Wolverine (Vol. 2) -1
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 52-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 3/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 1-FB
Uncanny X-Men 147-FB
Uncanny X-Men 140-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 52-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 53-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 52-FB
Wolverine & Cable: Guts & Glory
Alpha Flight Special 
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 5/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 6/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 7/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 8/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 9/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 10/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 17-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 52-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 17-FB
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 144-FB
Uncanny X-Men 109
Classic X-Men 16
Uncanny X-Men 109-BTS
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 17-FB-BTS
Uncanny X-Men 109
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 17-FB
Classic X-Men 16
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 11/2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 92-FB
Incredible Hulk Annual 8-FB
Uncanny X-Men 120
Uncanny X-Men 121
Classic X-Men 27
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 14-FB
Incredible Hulk Annual 8-BTS
Uncanny X-Men 139
Uncanny X-Men 140
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 51-FB
Uncanny X-Men 140
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 220
Marvel Two-In-One 83
Marvel Two-In-One 84
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 15-FB
Incredible Hulk 272
Incredible Hulk 273
Incredible Hulk 277
Incredible Hulk 278
Incredible Hulk 279
Contest of Champions (Vol. 1) 1
Contest of Champions (Vol. 1) 2
Contest of Champions (Vol. 1) 3
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 7
Marvel Two-In-One 96
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 3
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 4
X-Men & Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 1
X-Men & Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 5
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 6
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 7
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 8
ROM 56
ROM 57
ROM 58
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 9
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 10
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 11
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 12
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) Annual 7
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 13
Crystar 11
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 14
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 15
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 16
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 17
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 18
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 19
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 20
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 21
X-Men & Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 1
X-Men & Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 22
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 23
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 24
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 113-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 25
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 26
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 27
Secret Wars II 4
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 28
Incredible Hulk 313
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 29
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 30
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 31
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 32
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 33
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 34
Secret Wars II 9
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 34
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 35
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 36
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 37
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 38
Avengers (Vol. 1) 272 ~ Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 39
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 40
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 28
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) Annual 1
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 41
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 42
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 43
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 44
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 45
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 47
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 46
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 48
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 49
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 50
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 51
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) Annual 2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 52
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 53
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 54
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 55
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 56
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 57
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 58
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 59
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 60
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 61
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 62
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 63
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 64
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 65
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 66
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 67
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 68
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 69
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 70
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 71
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 72
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 73
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 74
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 75
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 76
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 77
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 78
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 79
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 80
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 81
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 82
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 83
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 84
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 85
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 86
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 87-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 87
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 88
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 89
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 90
Avengers (Vol. 1) 320
Avengers (Vol. 1) 321
Avengers (Vol. 1) 322
Avengers (Vol. 1) 323
Avengers (Vol. 1) 324
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 91
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 92
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 91
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 92
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 93-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 93
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 94
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 95
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 96
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 97
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 98
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 99
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 100
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 101
Spider-Man (Vol. 2) 12
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 102
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 103
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 104
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 105
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 106
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 107
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 108
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 109
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 109/2
Infinity War 1
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 110 ~ Infinity War 2 ~ Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 367 
~ Moon Knight (Vol. 3) 41
Infinity War 3 ~ New Warriors (Vol. 1) 27 ~ Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 368 
~ Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 13 ~ Quasar 38 ~ Warlock & The Infinity Watch 8
Infinity War 4 ~ Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 14 ~ Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 369 
~ Moon Knight (Vol. 3) 43
Infinity War 5 ~ Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 15
Infinity War 6 ~ Dr. Strange (Vol. 3) 47
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 370
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 112
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 113
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 114-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 114
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 115-FB
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 115
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 1
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 2
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 3
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 4
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 5
Maverick (Vol. 2) 3
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 6
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 7
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 8
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 9 ~ Uncanny X-Men 355
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 10
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 11
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 12
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 13
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 14
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 15
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 16
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 17
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 18
Uncanny X-Men 365
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 19
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 20
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 142
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 143
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 143/2
Generation X 58
Uncanny X-Men 379
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 179


ANI-MEN
Roster: Ape-Man 1 and 2, Bird-Man 1 and 2, Cat-Man 1 and 2, Dragonfly, Frog-Man 1 and 2
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Daredevil (Vol. 1) 10
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 11
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 39
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 40
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 41
Marvel Team-Up 25
Uncanny X-Men 94
Uncanny X-Men 95
Classic X-Men 3
Uncanny X-Men 95
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 115
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 116
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 157
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 158


BATROC'S BRIGADE
Roster: Batroc, Machete, Zaran
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Captain America (Vol. 1) 302
Captain America (Vol. 1) 303
Solo Avengers 3
Captain America (Vol. 1) 357/2
Captain America (Vol. 1) 358
Captain America (Vol. 1) 359
Captain America (Vol. 1) 360
Captain America (Vol. 1) 361
Captain America (Vol. 1) 362
Hawkeye (Vol. 2)
Gambit (Vol. 3) 17-FB
Gambit (Vol. 3) 19

BIG HERO SIX
Roster: Baymax, GoGo Tomago, Hiro, Honey Lemon, Silver Samurai, Sunfire
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Sunfire & Big Hero Six 1
Sunfire & Big Hero Six 2
Sunfire & Big Hero Six 3
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 17


CELESTIALS
Roster: Arishem the Judge, Ashema the Listner, Dreaming Celestial, Eson the Searcher, Exitar the Executioner, Gammenon the Gatherer, Hargen the Measurer, Jeremiah the Analyzer, Nezarr the Calculator, One Above All, Oneg the Prober, Scathan, Tefral the Surveyor, Ziran the Tester
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What If? 23/2
Avengers (Vol. 1) 339-FB
Thor (Vol. 1) 300-FB
Eternals (Vol. 1) 7
Eternals (Vol. 1) 9
Eternals (Vol. 1) 10
Eternals (Vol. 1) 18
Thor (Vol. 1) Annual 7
Thor (Vol. 1) 284
Thor (Vol. 1) 300
Eternals (Vol. 2) 8
Eternals (Vol. 2) 11
Eternals (Vol. 2) 12
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 4
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 5
X-Factor 43
X-Factor 44
X-Factor 45
X-Factor 46
X-Factor 48
X-Factor 49
X-Factor 50
Thor (Vol. 1) 387
Thor (Vol. 1) 388
Thor (Vol. 1) 389
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 23
Thor (Vol. 1) 424
Infinity Gauntlet 3
Infinity Gauntlet 4
Infinity Gauntlet 5
Infinity Gauntlet 6
Warlock & The Infinity Watch 1
Thor (Vol. 1) 449
Thor (Vol. 1) 450
Quasar 37
Quasar 38
Marvel Comics Presents 102
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 26
Blackwulf 6
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 400
Heroes Reborn: The Return (Vol. 1) Return 1
Heroes Reborn: The Return (Vol. 1) Return 4
Heroes Reborn: Ashema
Fantastic Four (Vol. 3) 25
X-Men Forever 1


CHAMPIONS
Roster: Angel, Black Goliath, Black Widow, Dark Star, Ghost Rider, Hercules, Iceman
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Champions 1
Champions 2
Champions 3
Champions 4
Champions 5
Champions 6
Avengers (Vol. 1) 151
Champions 7
Champions 8
Champions 9
Champions 10
Marvel Treasury Edition 13
Champions 11
Champions 12
Champions 13
Ghost Rider (Vol. 2) 23
Champions 14
Champions 15
Godzilla 3
Iron Man (Vol. 1) Annual 4
Avengers (Vol. 1) 163
Super-Villain Team-Up 14
Champions 16
Champions 17
Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 17-FB
Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 18-FB
Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 17
Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 18
X-Force/Champions '98


CHAMPIONS OF XANDAR
Roster: Comet, Crimebuster, Nova-Prime, Powerhouse, Protector
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Nova (Vol. 1) 24
Nova (Vol. 1) 25
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 206
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 208
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 209
ROM 24


CHINA FORCE
Roster: Auric, Jade Dragon, Rabbit, Rat, Silver, Snake, Ox
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Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 64
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 65
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 69


DEFENDERS
Roster: Andromeda, Angel 2, Beast, Clea, Cloud, Devil-Slayer, Dr. Strange, Gargoyle, Hellcat, Hulk, Iceman, Interloper, Manslaughter, Moondragon, Nighthawk 2, Overmind, Red Guardian 2, Silver Surfer, Son of Satan (Hellstorm), Sub-Mariner, Valkyrie
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Marvel Feature 1
Marvel Feature 2
Marvel Feature 3
Defenders (Vol. 1) 1
Defenders (Vol. 1) 2
Defenders (Vol. 1) 3
Defenders (Vol. 1) 4
Defenders (Vol. 1) 5
Defenders (Vol. 1) 6
Defenders (Vol. 1) 7
Avengers (Vol. 1) 115
Defenders (Vol. 1) 8
Avengers (Vol. 1) 116
Defenders (Vol. 1) 9
Avengers (Vol. 1) 117
Defenders (Vol. 1) 10
Avengers (Vol. 1) 118
Defenders (Vol. 1) 11
Defenders (Vol. 1) 12
Giant-Size Defenders 1
Defenders (Vol. 1) 13
Defenders (Vol. 1) 14
Defenders (Vol. 1) 15
Defenders (Vol. 1) 16
Giant-Size Defenders 2
Defenders (Vol. 1) 17
Defenders (Vol. 1) 18
Defenders (Vol. 1) 19
Marvel Two-in-One 6
Marvel Two-in-One 7
Defenders (Vol. 1) 20
Defenders (Vol. 1) 21
Giant-Size Defenders 3
Defenders (Vol. 1) 4
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 33
Defenders (Vol. 1) 34
Defenders (Vol. 1) 35
Defenders (Vol. 1) 22
Defenders (Vol. 1) 23
Defenders (Vol. 1) 24
Defenders (Vol. 1) 25
Giant-Size Defenders 5
Defenders (Vol. 1) 26
Defenders (Vol. 1) 27
Defenders (Vol. 1) 28
Defenders (Vol. 1) 29
Defenders (Vol. 1) 30
Marvel Treasury Edition 12
Defenders (Vol. 1) 31
Defenders (Vol. 1) 32
Defenders (Vol. 1) 33
Defenders (Vol. 1) 34
Defenders (Vol. 1) 35
Defenders (Vol. 1) 36
Avengers (Vol. 1) 144
Defenders (Vol. 1) 37
Defenders (Vol. 1) 38
Defenders (Vol. 1) 39
Defenders (Vol. 1) 40
Defenders (Vol. 1) Annual 1
Defenders (Vol. 1) 41
Incredible Hulk 206
Defenders (Vol. 1) 207
Defenders (Vol. 1) 42
Defenders (Vol. 1) 43
Defenders (Vol. 1) 44
Defenders (Vol. 1) 45
Defenders (Vol. 1) 46
Defenders (Vol. 1) 47
Defenders (Vol. 1) 48
Defenders (Vol. 1) 49
Defenders (Vol. 1) 50
Defenders (Vol. 1) 51
Defenders (Vol. 1) 52
Defenders (Vol. 1) 53
Defenders (Vol. 1) 4
Defenders (Vol. 1) 55
Defenders (Vol. 1) 56
Defenders (Vol. 1) 57
Defenders (Vol. 1) 58
Defenders (Vol. 1) 59
Defenders (Vol. 1) 60
Defenders (Vol. 1) 61
Doctor Strange (Vol. 2) 29
Defenders (Vol. 1) 62
Defenders (Vol. 1) 63
Defenders (Vol. 1) 64
Defenders (Vol. 1) 65
Defenders (Vol. 1) 66
Defenders (Vol. 1) 67
Defenders (Vol. 1) 68
Defenders (Vol. 1) 69
Defenders (Vol. 1) 70
Defenders (Vol. 1) 71
Defenders (Vol. 1) 72
Defenders (Vol. 1) 73
Defenders (Vol. 1) 74
Defenders (Vol. 1) 75
Defenders (Vol. 1) 76
Defenders (Vol. 1) 77
Defenders (Vol. 1) 78
Defenders (Vol. 1) 79
Defenders (Vol. 1) 80
Defenders (Vol. 1) 81
Defenders (Vol. 1) 82
Defenders (Vol. 1) 83
Defenders (Vol. 1) 84
Defenders (Vol. 1) 85
Defenders (Vol. 1) 86
Defenders (Vol. 1) 87
Thor (Vol. 1) 311
Defenders (Vol. 1) 88
Defenders (Vol. 1) 89
Defenders (Vol. 1) 90
Defenders (Vol. 1) 91
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 101
Defenders (Vol. 1) 92
She-Hulk 13
Defenders (Vol. 1) 14
Defenders (Vol. 1) 93
Defenders (Vol. 1) 94
Defenders (Vol. 1) 95
Defenders (Vol. 1) 96
Defenders (Vol. 1) 97
Defenders (Vol. 1) 98
Defenders (Vol. 1) 99
Defenders (Vol. 1) 100
Defenders (Vol. 1) 101
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 111
Marvel Graphic Novel 1
Defenders (Vol. 1) 102
Defenders (Vol. 1) 103
Defenders (Vol. 1) 104
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 116
Defenders (Vol. 1) 105
Captain America (Vol. 1) 268
Defenders (Vol. 1) 106
Defenders (Vol. 1) 107
Defenders (Vol. 1) 108
Defenders (Vol. 1) 109
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 119
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 11
Defenders (Vol. 1) 110
Defenders (Vol. 1) 111
Defenders (Vol. 1) 112
Defenders (Vol. 1) 113
Defenders (Vol. 1) 114
Defenders (Vol. 1) 115
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 124
Defenders (Vol. 1) 116
Defenders (Vol. 1) 117
Defenders (Vol. 1) 118
Defenders (Vol. 1) 119
Defenders (Vol. 1) 120
Defenders (Vol. 1) 121
Defenders (Vol. 1) 122
Defenders (Vol. 1) 123
Defenders (Vol. 1) 124
Defenders (Vol. 1) 125
Uncanny X-Men 175
Defenders (Vol. 1) 126
Defenders (Vol. 1) 127
Defenders (Vol. 1) 128
Defenders (Vol. 1) 129
Defenders (Vol. 1) 130
Defenders (Vol. 1) 131
Defenders (Vol. 1) 132
Defenders (Vol. 1) 133
Defenders (Vol. 1) 134
Defenders (Vol. 1) 135
Defenders (Vol. 1) 136
Defenders (Vol. 1) 137
Defenders (Vol. 1) 138
Defenders (Vol. 1) 139
ROM 65
ROM 66
Sub-Mariner (Vol. 2) 3
Defenders (Vol. 1) 140
Defenders (Vol. 1) 141
Defenders (Vol. 1) 142
Defenders (Vol. 1) 143
Defenders (Vol. 1) 144
Defenders (Vol. 1) 145
Defenders (Vol. 1) 146
Defenders (Vol. 1) 147
Marvel Fanfare 20
Iceman 4
Defenders (Vol. 1) 148
Defenders (Vol. 1) 149
Defenders (Vol. 1) 150
Defenders (Vol. 1) 151
Defenders (Vol. 1) 152
Incredible Hulk Annual 18
Namor Annual 2
Silver Surfer Annual 5
Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme Annual 2
Secret Defenders 1
[ . . . ]
Defenders (Vol. 2) 1


DERANGERS
Roster: Bedlam, Breakdown, Freakout, Goblyn, Janus
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Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 49
Alpha Flight (Vol. 1) 53


ELEMENTS OF DOOM
Roster: Carbon, Chlorine, Cobalt, Phosphorus, Radium, Vanadium
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Avengers (Vol. 1) 188
Thunderbolts 6
Thunderbolts 7
Thunderbolts 8


FREEDOM FORCE
Roster: Avalanche, Blob, Crimson Commando, Destiny, Mystique, Pyro, Spider-Woman 2, Spiral, Stonewall, Super Sabre
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Uncanny X-Men 199
Avengers West Coast 84-FB
Spider-Woman (Vol. 2) 2-FB
X-Factor Annual 6/3-FB ~ Uncanny X-Men 206
X-Factor 8
X-Factor 9
X-Factor 10
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 15
Avengers West Coast Annual 1
Captain America (Vol. 1) 334
Uncanny X-Men 223
Uncanny X-Men 225
Uncanny X-Men 226
Uncanny X-Men 227
Captain America (Vol. 1) 339
New Mutants 65
X-Factor 30
X-Factor 31
X-Factor 33
Captain America (Vol. 1) 346
Marvel Comics Presents 41/4
X-Factor 40
New Mutants 78
New Mutants 80
New Mutants 82
Uncanny X-Men 254
Uncanny X-Men 255
X-Men Forever 2-FB
X-Factor Annual 6/3-FB ~ Daredevil 269
Avengers (Vol. 1) 312 ~ Punisher (Vol. 2) 29
Incredible Hulk 369
Marvel Comics Presents 82/2
Marvel Comics Presents 83/2
Marvel Comics Presents 84/2
Marvel Comics Presents 85/2
Marvel Comics Presents 86/2
Marvel Comics Presents 87/2
New Mutants 86
New Mutants 88
New Mutants 89
Avengers: Deathtrap, The Vault
New Mutants Annual 7/2
Uncanny X-Men Annual 15/2
X-Factor Annual 6/2


GREAT LAKES AVENGERS (AKA LIGHTNINGBOLTS)
Roster: Big Bertha, Dinah Soar, Doorman, Flatman, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Mr. Immortal
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West Coast Avengers 46
Avengers West Coast 48
Avengers West Coast 49
Avengers (Vol. 1) 309
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 19
Avengers West Coast Annual 6
Avengers West Coast 64
Quasar 18
Deadpool 10
Deadpool 11
Thunderbolts 15
Thunderbolts 16
Thunderbolts 17
Thunderbolts 25


HELLIONS
Roster: Beef, Bulwark, Catseye, DOA, Empath, Firestar, Jetstream, Murmur, Roulette, Tarot, Thunderbird 2, Vincente
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X-Men Classic 3/2 
New Mutants 16 
New Mutants 17 
Firestar Limited Series 1 
Firestar Limited Series 2 
Uncanny X-Men 193 
New Mutants 26 
Firestar Limited Series 3 
Firestar Limited Series 4 
New Mutants 31 
New Mutants 39 
New Mutants 40 
New Mutants 43 
New Mutants 53 
New Mutants 54 
New Mutants 56 
New Mutants 57 
New Mutants 62 
New Mutants A4 
New Mutants 81 
New Mutants 99 
New Warriors 10 
New Warriors A1 
Uncanny X-Men 281 
Uncanny X-Men 282 
New Warriors 31 
X-Force 32 
New Warriors 45 
X-Force 33 
New Warriors 46 
X-Force 34 
Uncanny X-Men 314 
X-Force 42 
Generation X 7


INHUMANS
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 9-FB
Thor (Vol. 1) 148/2
Thor (Vol. 1) 149/2
Avengers (Vol. 1) 95-FB
Thor (Vol. 1) 152/2
What If? (Vol. 1) 29/2
What If? (Vol. 1) 30/2
Inhumans: The Untold Saga 1-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 44
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 45
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 46
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 47
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 48
Inhumans: The Untold Saga 1-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 50
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 52
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 54
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 56
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 57
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 59
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 60
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 61
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 62
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 63
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 64
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 5
Sub-Mariner 2
Incredible Hulk Annual 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 82
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 83
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 94
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 95
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 99
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 1
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 2
Silver Surfer (Vol. 1) 18
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 3
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 4
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 5
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 6
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 7
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 8
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 9
Amazing Adventures (Vol. 2) 10
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 105
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 117
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 118
Avengers (Vol. 1) 95
Avengers (Vol. 1) 104-BTS
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 131-FB
Avengers (Vol. 1) 110-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 131-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 129
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 130
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 131
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 132
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 9-BTS
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 10-BTS
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 1) 11
Avengers (Vol. 1) 118
Sub-Mariner 67
Incredible Hulk 175
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 148
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 149
Avengers (Vol. 1) 127
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 150
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 158-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 158
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 159
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 160
Super-Villain Team-Up 2-FB
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 160
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 1
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 2
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 3
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 4
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 5
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 6
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 7
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 8
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 10
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 11
Inhumans (Vol. 1) 12
Captain Marvel (Vol. 1) 53
Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 11
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 12
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 240-FB
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 4
Avengers (Vol. 1) 188
Marvel Two-In-One 71
Marvel Two-In-One 72
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 12-FB
Marvel Graphic Novel 1
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 12-FB-BTS
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 239
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 240
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 12-FB
Marvel Fanfare (Vol. 1) 14/2
Dazzler 19
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 248
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 12-FB
Incredible Hulk 279
Contest of Champions 1
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 1) 4
Avengers (Vol. 1) Annual 12
Thing 3
Dazzler 32-FB
Dazzler 32
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 18
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 10
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 22/2
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 305
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 306
X-Factor Annual 2
Thor (Vol. 1) 400
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 21
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 21/2
Inhumans Graphic Novel
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 272
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 273
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 274
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 275
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 276
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 278
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 279
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 280
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 281
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 282
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 283
Marvel Comics Presents 68/4
New Warrior 6
X-Factor 67
X-Factor 68
Infinity Gauntlet 2
Silver Surfer (Vol. 3) 60
Avengers (Vol. 1) 334
Avengers (Vol. 1) 336
Avengers (Vol. 1) 337
Avengers (Vol. 1) 338
Avengers (Vol. 1) 343
Guardians of the Galaxy 27
Avengers (Vol. 1) 351
Avengers (Vol. 1) 357
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 391
Nova (Vol. 2) 12
Nova (Vol. 2) 13
Namor 58
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 400/2
Inhumans: The Great Refuge
Atlantis Rising 1
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 401
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 402
Atlantis Rising 2
Fantastic Four Unlimited 11
Avengers (Vol. 1) 390
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 411
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 412
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 413
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 415
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 416
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 8
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 9
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 10
Fantastic Four (Vol. 2) 12
Heroes Reborn: The Return 4
Quicksilver 3
Quicksilver 7-FB
Quicksilver 4-FB
Quicksilver 4
Ka-Zar (Vol. 4) 10
Quicksilver 4
Quicksilver 5
Quicksilver 6
Quicksilver 7
Quicksilver 10
Quicksilver 13
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 1
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 2
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 3
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 4
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 4-FB
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 5
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 6
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 7
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 8-FB
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 8
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 9-FB
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 9
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 10
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 11
Inhumans (Vol. 2) 12
Inhumans (Vol. 3) 1
Inhumans (Vol. 3) 2
Inhumans (Vol. 3) 3
Inhumans (Vol. 3) 4


INVADERS
Giant-Size Invaders 1
Invaders (Vol. 1) 1
Invaders (Vol. 1) 2
Invaders (Vol. 1) 31-FB
Invaders (Vol. 1) 3
Invaders (Vol. 1) 4
Invaders (Vol. 1) 5
Marvel Premiere 29
Invaders (Vol. 1) 6
Marvel Premiere 30
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 11
Marvel Two-In-One Annual 1
Marvel Two-In-One 20
Invaders (Vol. 1) 7
Invaders (Vol. 1) 8
Invaders (Vol. 1) 9
Invaders (Vol. 1) 10
Invaders (Vol. 1) 11
Invaders (Vol. 1) 12
Invaders (Vol. 1) 13
Invaders (Vol. 1) 14
Invaders (Vol. 1) 15 "
Invaders (Vol. 1) Annual 1
Invaders (Vol. 1) 16
Invaders (Vol. 1) 17
Invaders (Vol. 1) 18
Invaders (Vol. 1) 19
Invaders (Vol. 1) 20
Invaders (Vol. 1) 21
Invaders (Vol. 1) 23
Invaders (Vol. 1) 24
Invaders (Vol. 1) 25
Invaders (Vol. 1) 26
Invaders (Vol. 1) 27
Invaders (Vol. 1) 28
Invaders (Vol. 1) 29
Invaders (Vol. 1) 30
Invaders (Vol. 1) 31
Invaders (Vol. 1) 32
Invaders (Vol. 1) 33
Invaders (Vol. 1) 34
Invaders (Vol. 1) 35
Invaders (Vol. 1) 36
Invaders (Vol. 1) 37
Invaders (Vol. 1) 38
Invaders (Vol. 1) 39
Invaders (Vol. 1) 40
Invaders (Vol. 1) 41
Invaders (Vol. 2) 1
Invaders (Vol. 2) 2
Invaders (Vol. 2) 3
Invaders (Vol. 2) 4
Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty (Vol. 2) 2
Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty (Vol. 2) 3
Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty (Vol. 2) 4
Marvel Universe (Vol. 4) 1
Marvel Universe (Vol. 4) 2
Marvel Universe (Vol. 4) 3
What If? (Vol. 1) 4
All Winners 19
All Winners 21
She-Hulk (Vol. 2) 22


JURY, THE
Roster: Bomblast, Firearm, Ramshot, Wysper
-------------
Venom: The Jury
Amazing Spider-Man 383
Amazing Spider-Man 384
Amazing Spider-Man 385
Thunderbolts 23
Thunderbolts 28
Thunderbolts 32


KREE
Captain America (Vol. 1) 398
Avengers West Coast 80
Quasar 32
Wonder Man 7
Avengers (Vol. 1) 345
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 278
Thor (Vol. 1) 445
Captain America (Vol. 1) 399
Avengers West Coast 81 
Quasar 33 
Wonder Man 8 
Avengers (Vol. 1) 346 
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 279 
Thor (Vol. 1) 446 
Captain America (Vol. 1) 400 
Avengers West Coast 82 
Quasar 34 
Wonder Man 9 
Avengers (Vol. 1) 347 
Captain America (Vol. 1) 401 
Quasar 35


MARAUDERS
Roster: Arclight, Blockbuster 3, Harpoon, Malice 4, Mr. Sinister, Prism, Riptide, Scalpuhunter, Scrambler, Vertigo 2
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Uncanny X-Men 215-FB
Uncanny X-Men 223-FB
Uncanny X-Men 215-FB
Uncanny X-Men 210
Uncanny X-Men 211 ~ X-Factor 10
Thor 373
Power Pack 27
Thor 374
Uncanny X-Men 213-FB
Uncanny X-Men 215
Uncanny X-Men 219
Uncanny X-Men 221
Uncanny X-Men 222
Uncanny X-Men 240
Captain America (Vol. 1) 388
Captain America (Vol. 1) 389
Captain America (Vol. 1) 390
Captain America (Vol. 1) 391
Captain America (Vol. 1) 392
X-Man 13
Cable (Vol. 2) '99


MONSTER HUNTERS
Roster: Bloodstone, Dr. Druid, Hurricane 1, Namora, Zawadi
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Marvel Universe 4
Marvel Universe 5
Marvel Universe 6
Marvel Universe 7
Marvel: The Lost Generation 2


RANGERS
Roster: Firebird, Phantom Rider 1 (aka Night Rider 3), Red Wolf 3, Shooting Star, Texas Twister
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Incredible Hulk (Vol. 1) 265
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 1) 278
Incredible Hulk (Vol. 1) 279
Contest of Champions (Vol. 1) 1
Avengers West Coast 8
Avengers West Coast 9-FB
Avengers West Coast 31
Solo Avengers 18


RESISTANTS, THE (AKA MUTANT FORCE)
Roster: Crucible (aka Burner), Meteorite 1 (aka Lifter), Mist Mistress, Occult (aka Peeper), Paralyzer (aka Shocker), QUill, Rust, Think Tank (aka Mentallo)
----------------------
Captain America (Vol. 1) 343
Captain America (Vol. 1) 346
New Warriors (Vol. 2) 6


SALEM'S SEVEN
Roster: Brutacus, Gazelle, Hydron, Reptilla, Thornn, Vakume, Vertigo 1
----------------------
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 186
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) Annual 14
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 223
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 3
Vision & Scarlet Witch (Vol. 2) 5
Avengers (Vol. 3) '00


SHI'AR
Captain America (Vol. 1) 398
Avengers West Coast 80
Quasar 32
Wonder Man 7
Avengers (Vol. 1) 345
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 278
Thor (Vol. 1) 445
Captain America (Vol. 1) 399
Avengers West Coast 81 
Quasar 33 
Wonder Man 8 
Avengers (Vol. 1) 346 
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 279 
Thor (Vol. 1) 446 
Captain America (Vol. 1) 400 
Avengers West Coast 82 
Quasar 34 
Wonder Man 9 
Avengers (Vol. 1) 347 
Captain America (Vol. 1) 401 
Quasar 35


SHI'AR IMPERIAL GUARD
Uncanny X-Men 107
Uncanny X-Men 108
Uncanny X-Men 109
Uncanny X-Men 137
Uncanny X-Men 157
Uncanny X-Men 158
Uncanny X-Men 162
Rom Annual 4
X-Men Spotlight on Starjammers 2
Uncanny X-Men 275
Uncanny X-Men 276
Uncanny X-Men 277
Thor (Vol. 1) 446
Captain America (Vol. 1) 398
Avengers West Coast 80
Quasar 32
Avengers West Coast 81
Quasar 33
Thor (Vol. 1) 446
Avengers West Coast 82
Avengers (Vol. 1) 347
Quasar 46
Starblast 4
Imperial Guard 1-FB
Imperial Guard 1
Imperial Guard 2
Imperial Guard 3
Hulk Annual '97
Inhumans (Vol. 3) 3
Inhumans (Vol. 3) 4
Uncanny X-Men 387


SHOCK TROOOP
Roster: Blazing Skull 2, Dr. Druid, M'Kantu, Shadowoman
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Quasar 45
Quasar 46


SIX, THE
Roster: Bloodstorm, Brute, Captain America (Mutant X reality), Fallen, Gambit (Mutant X reality), Ice-Man, Marvel Woman (aka Goblin Queen), Mutant X (aka Havok)
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Mutant X 13
Mutant X Annual 2000
Mutant X 1
Mutant X 2
Mutant X 3
Mutant X 4
Mutant X 5
Mutant X 6
Mutant X 7
Mutant X 8
Mutant X Annual 1999
Mutant X 9
Mutant X 10
Mutant X 11
Mutant X 12
Mutant X 14
Mutant X 15
Mutant X 16
Mutant X 17
Mutant X 18
Mutant X 19
Mutant X 20
Mutant X 21
Mutant X 22
Mutant X 23
Mutant X 24
Mutant X 25
Mutant X 26
Mutant X 27
Mutant X 28
Mutant X 29
Mutant X 30
Mutant X 31
Mutant X Annual 2001
Mutant X 32


SQUADRON SUPREME
Avengers (Vol. 1) 85
Avengers (Vol. 1) 86
Avengers (Vol. 1) 141
Avengers (Vol. 1) 142
Avengers (Vol. 1) 143
Avengers (Vol. 1) 144
Avengers (Vol. 1) 147
Avengers (Vol. 1) 148
Avengers (Vol. 1) 149
Thor (Vol. 1) 280
Defenders (Vol. 1) 111
Defenders (Vol. 1) 112
Defenders (Vol. 1) 113
Defenders (Vol. 1) 114
Defenders (Vol. 1) 115
Squadron Supreme 1
Squadron Supreme 2
Squadron Supreme 3
Squadron Supreme 4
Squadron Supreme 5
Squadron Supreme 6
Captain America (Vol. 1) 314
Squadron Supreme 7
Squadron Supreme 8
Squadron Supreme 9
Squadron Supreme 10
Squadron Supreme 11
Squadron Supreme 12
Dr. Strange 21
Squadron Supreme: Death of a Universe (Graphic Novel)
Avengers West Coast Annual 4
Quasar 13
Quasar 14
Quasar 15
Quasar 16
Quasar 17
Quasar 19
Quasar 23
Quasar 24
Quasar 25
Quasar 27
Quasar 28
Quasar 29
Sleepwalker 7
Quasar 50
Quasar 60
Siren 1
Siren 2
Phoenix Resurrection 3
Siren 3
Over the Edge 2
Fantastic Four Unlimited 11
Avengers (Vol. 3) 5
Avengers (Vol. 3) 6
Avengers & Squadron Supreme 1998
Squadron Supreme: New World Order


STARFORCE
Roster: Captain Atlas, Dr. Minerva, Korath the Pursuer, Shatterax, Supremor, Ultimus
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Avengers (Vol. 1) 346
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 279 
Thor (Vol. 1) 446 
Captain America (Vol. 1) 400 
Avengers West Coast 82 
Quasar 34 
Wonder Man 9 
Avengers (Vol. 1) 347
Quasar 35


STARJAMMERS
Classic X-Men 15/2
Uncanny X-Men 104
Uncanny X-Men 107 ~ Classic X-Men 14
Uncanny X-Men 108 ~ Classic X-Men 15
Uncanny X-Men 109-FB
Uncanny X-Men 154
Uncanny X-Men 156
Uncanny X-Men 157
Uncanny X-Men 158
Uncanny X-Men 161
Uncanny X-Men 163
Uncanny X-Men 166
Excalibur (Vol. 1) 116-FB
Uncanny X-Men 167
Special Edition X-Men 1
Uncanny X-Men 173
Uncanny X-Men 174
Uncanny X-Men 175
New Mutants 19
Uncanny X-Men 200
Uncanny X-Men 201
Uncanny X-Men 203
New Mutants 50
New Mutants 51
Excalibur (Vol. 1) 17
X-Men Spotlight on the Starjammers 1
X-Men Spotlight on the Starjammers 2
Uncanny X-Men 275
Uncanny X-Men 276
Uncanny X-Men 277
Wonder Man (Vol. 2) 8
Avengers (Vol. 1) 350
Avengers (Vol. 1) 351
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 135
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 136
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 137
Wolverine (Vol. 2) 138
Galactus 5
Galactus 6
Uncanny X-Men 387


THUNDERBOLTS
Thunderbolts '97-FB
Incredible Hulk 449
Thunderbolts 1
Tales of the Marvel Universe 1
Thunderbolts 2
Thunderbolts 3
Thunderbolts 4
Thunderbolts '97
Spider-Man Team-Up 7
Thunderbolts 5
Thunderbolts 6
Thunderbolts 7-FB
Thunderbolts 7
Thunderbolts 8
Heroes for Hire 7
Incredible Hulk 459-BTS
Heroes Reborn: The Return 2
Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 430
Thunderbolts 10
Thunderbolts 11
Thunderbolts 12
Thunderbolts 13
Thunderbolts 14
Thunderbolts 15
Thunderbolts 16
Thunderbolts 17
Thunderbolts 18
Thunderbolts 19-FB
Thunderbolts 19
Thunderbolts 20
Thunderbolts 21
Thunderbolts 22
Avengers (Vol. 3) 12
Thunderbolts 23
Thunderbolts 24
Thunderbolts 25
Thunderbolts 26
Thunderbolts 33-FB
Thunderbolts 27
Thunderbolts 28-FB
Thunderbolts 28
Thunderbolts 29
Thunderbolts 30
Thunderbolts 31-FB
Thunderbolts 31
Thunderbolts 32
Iron Man '99
Thunderbolts 33
Thunderbolts 34
Thunderbolts 35-FB
Thunderbolts 35
Thunderbolts 36
Thunderbolts 37
Thunderbolts '00
Thunderbolts 38
Thunderbolts 39
Thunderbolts 40
Thunderbolts 41
Thunderbolts 42
Avengers (Vol. 3) 32
Thunderbolts 43
Avengers (Vol. 3) 33
Thunderbolts 44
Avengers (Vol. 3) 34
Thunderbolts 45-FB
Thunderbolts 45
Maximum Security 2
Maximum Security 3
Thunderbolts 46
Thunderbolts 47
Thunderbolts 48
Thunderbolts 49
Thunderbotls 50


U-FOES
Incredible Hulk 254
Incredible Hulk 274
Incredible Hulk 275
Incredible Hulk 276
Incredible Hulk 277
Incredible Hulk 278
Incredible Hulk 304
Incredible Hulk 305
Avengers (Vol. 1) 304
Avengers West-Coast 53
Darkhawk 6
Incredible Hulk 397
Incredible Hulk 398
Incredible Hulk 399-FB
Thunderbolts '97-FB
Heroes for Hire 1
Heroes for Hire 12-FB
Heroes for Hire 1
Heroes for Hire 2
Heroes for Hire 4


WATCHERS, THE
Roster: Abca, Acba, Aron, Ecce, Edda, Egma, Emnu, Ikor, Ocam, Otmu, Ualu, Uatu, Utig, Ute, Utmu
-----------------
Tales of Suspense 53/2
Silver Surfer 112
Silver Surfer 113
Silver Surfer 114
Silver Surfer 115
Silver Surfer 116
Silver Surfer 117
Silver Surfer 118
Silver Surfer 119
Silver Surfer 120
Quasar 22-FB (Pages 1-2)
Quasar 15
Quasar 16
Quasar 25
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 398
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 399
Fantastic Four (Vol. 1) 400


WEIRD SISTERS
Roster: Beauty, Charm, Truth 1
--------------
Quasar 14
Quasar 20
Quasar 21
Quasar 22
Quasar 23
Quasar 25
Fantastic Four Unlimited 10


WRECKING CREW
Defenders (Vol. 1) 17
Defenders (Vol. 1) 18
Defenders (Vol. 1) 19
Iron Fist 11
Iron Fist 12
Thor (Vol. 1) 304
Secret Wars 1
Secret Wars 2
Secret Wars 3
Thor (Vol. 1) 383-FB
Secret Wars 4
Secret Wars 5
Secret Wars 6
Secret Wars 7
Secret Wars 8
Secret Wars 10
Secret Wars 11
Secret Wars 12
Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 125
Avengers (Vol. 1) 273
Avengers (Vol. 1) 274
Avengers (Vol. 1) 275
Avengers (Vol. 1) 276
Avengers (Vol. 1) 277
Spectacular Spider-Man (Vol. 1) 126
Damage Control (Vol. 2) 1
Thor (Vol. 1) 418
Thor (Vol. 1) 426
Thor (Vol. 1) 427
Thor (Vol. 1) 428
Thor (Vol. 1) 429
Thor (Vol. 1) 430
Avenges Unplugged 4
Journey Into Mystery 505
Thunderbolts 1
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 2) 6
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 2) 10
Marvel Team-Up (Vol. 2) 11
Avengers (Vol. 3) 15
Avengers (Vol. 3) 16
Avengers (Vol. 3) 18-FB
Avengers (Vol. 3) 17-FB
Avengers (Vol. 3) 17
Avengers (Vol. 3) 18
Thor (Vol. 2) 28
Thor (Vol. 2) 29


X-BABIES
X-Men Annual 10
X-Men Annual 12
Excalibur: Mojo Mayhem
X-Men 46
X-Men 47
Pint-Sized X-Babies 1


X-TERMINATORS
X-Terminators 1
X-Terminators 2
X-Terminators 3
X-Terminators 4


ZODIAC
Avengers (Vol. 1) 72
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 35
Daredevil (Vol. 1) 73
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 36
Avengers (Vol. 1) 120
Avengers (Vol. 1) 121
Avengers (Vol. 1) 122
Avengers (Vol. 1) 123
Avengers (Vol. 1) 124
Ghost Rider (Vol. 2) 7-FB
Ghost Rider (Vol. 2) 6
Ghost Rider (Vol. 2) 7
Defenders (Vol. 1) 50
Defenders (Vol. 1) 64
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 184
Iron Man (Vol. 1) 185
Avengers West Coast 26
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 1
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 10
Alpha Flight (Vol. 2) 12 

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Re: Team &amp; Group Chronologies version 1.0
Posted by Kevin  on February 28, 2003 at 08:52:50:
In Reply to: Team & Group Chronologies version 1.0
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:41:40:

Good God, look at all these lists!  Some good stuff here.  I know it's been discussed that we'd eventually get around to listing chronology for teams, but looks like Jimmy's been working on this for some time already!

If you think about it, listing team chronologies would make sense.  One of the points of the MCP is to list complete chronologies for collectors, and I know many collectors don't come here to collect individual characters, they come to collect, for instance, every appearance of the Xmen.  So lists like these are helpful.

Now...when can we see a list of every appearance of the Sinister Six?

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Missing team and groups from the chronology....
Posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:45:57:

If you have chronology data for the following teams or groups, please post it. Thanks!

Acolytes, The
Advocates, The
A-Next
Asgardians
Assembly of Evil
Atlanteans
Battle-Axis
Beta Flight
Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
Brute Force
Circus of Crime
ClanDestine
Crazy Eight
Crazy Gang
Crusaders, The
Death-Throws
Desert Sword
Deviants
Earth Force
Egyptian Gods
Eternals
Fantastic Force
First Line, The
Force
Force Works
Freedom's Five
Frightful Four
Gamma Flight
Generation X
Grapplers
Great Beasts, The
Guardians of the Galaxy
Hellfire Club
Heroes for Hire
Horsemen of Apocalypse
Infinity Watch
Kid Commandos
Lemurians
Liberty Legion
Maelstrom s Minions
Masters of Evil
Morlocks
Mutant Liberation Front
New Warriors
Night Shift
Olympian Gods (Marvel)
Omega Flight
Pacific Overlords
Pantheon
People's Defense Force
Power Pack
Psionex
Reavers
Redeemers, The
Savage Land Mutates (aka Beast Brood)
Serpent Society
Sinister Syndicate
Sisters of Sin
Six Pack
Slingers
Sons of the Tiger
Soviet Super-Soldiers
Spaceknights
Special Executive
Super-Axis
Supremacists
Technet
Trash
Winter Guard (aka Supreme Soviets)
Young Gods

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Re: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
Posted by JLH on February 27, 2003 at 23:22:01:
In Reply to: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:45:57:

> If you have chronology data for the following teams or groups, please post it. Thanks!

Not quite a team, but star of multi-mini's, and missing from MCP, is good old Damage Control.

JLH

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Liberty Legion and Kid Commandos
Posted by Ron Flick on February 28, 2003 at 15:58:29:
In Reply to: Re: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
posted by JLH on February 27, 2003 at 23:22:01:

Here are the appearances of the Liberty Legion:

MARVEL PREMIERE 29, 30
INVADERS 6, 35-37
MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE ANNUAL 1
MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE 20

Here are the appearances of the Kid Commandos:

INVADERS 26, 27, 28, 37, 38, 39
INVADERS (vol. 2) 2

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GotG appearances
Posted by StAkAr Karnak on March 01, 2003 at 10:31:17:
In Reply to: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:45:57:

Jimmy Flowers spake:

> If you have chronology data for the following teams or groups, please post it. Thanks!

> [...]

> Guardians of the Galaxy

There is a complete list of Guardians appearances on my website, Guardians of the Worlds.

Plug, plug.

- StAkAr Karnak

http://www.geocities.com/glakandar/gotw/gotgbk.htm
Every appearance of the Guardians, AFAIK

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Re: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
Posted by DCW3 on March 01, 2003 at 13:48:43:
In Reply to: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
posted by Jimmy Flowers on February 27, 2003 at 18:45:57:

Here's a chronology for the Special Executive I picked up from the Unofficial Appendix (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/specex.htm):

CB2 12-FB
CB2 12
DR. WHO 51 (first appearance)
DR. WHO 57
XCAL 47
DDS 5
DDS 6
DDS 7
DDS 8
DDS 9
DDS 10
DDS 11

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Re: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
Posted by DCW3 on March 01, 2003 at 13:52:34:
In Reply to: Re: Missing team and groups from the chronology....
posted by DCW3 on March 01, 2003 at 13:48:43:

Oh...and I should add that this chronology, is, obviously, from the POV of the Executive, not how it would appear on an objective calendar.
