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Thread 1

Posted: 17 Feb 2004 10:37 am    Post subject: Jack O'Lantern confusion 
By Dimadick    
 
[Posted by John Simons on February 16, 2004 at 12:29:13: 

In Reply to: Re: Jack O'Lantern confusion posted by Dimadick on February 16, 2004 at 07:14:55: 

Well, this is very interesting, because "Maguire Beck" is listed in Secret War #1 as an alias of Macendale. Does it make any sense at all that they could be one and the same? Particularly since your description describes Maguire Beck as a woman! 

Here's the pertinent data from the SHIELD file: 

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REAL NAME: Jason Macendale Jr. 

AKA: Maguire Beck, Mad Jack, Jack O'Lantern, Hobgoblin 

IDENTITY: Secret; became the second Hobgoblin until his death at the hands of the original Hobgoblin. 

RELATIVES: None known 

HEIGHT: 6 ft. 1 in. 

WEIGHT: 210 libs. 

EYES: Brown 

HAIR: Black 

GROUP AFFILIATIONS: Norman Osborn, Maggia 

ENEMIES: Spider-Man, Silver Sable 

POWERS: Military training, hand-to-hand combat, & Martial Arts 

WEAPONS: Anaesthetic, lachrymal, regurgitant gas, smoke, & concussion grenades. Bulletproof helmet with telescopic infrared image intensifiers. Body armor made of metal-covered, multi-segment Kevlar panels. High-frequency electric transducers wrist blasters. 
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This file seems to imply that he died in Hobgoblin Lives #1 AND he is the Maguire Beck Jack. Does this compute?] 



By assuming thal all four Jack O'Lanterns are the same person this profile has several problems as it is. I'll attempt to point at them. 

REAL NAME: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Jason Philip Macendale(male). 

Jack O'Lantern II:Unknown(presumed male) 

Jack O'Lantern III: Maguire Beck(female) 

Jack O'Lantern III: Daniel Berkhart (male). 

AKA: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Hobgoblin IV 

Jack O'Lantern II:Jacko 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): Terry Beck, Mad Jack. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male):Mysterio II, Mad Jack. 

IDENTITY: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Known to the authorities(incanceration). 

Jack O'Lantern II:Presumably known to the authorities (incanceration). 

Jack O'Lantern III(female):Known to the authorities (incanceration). 

Jack O'Lantern III(male):As Mysterio known to the authorities(incanceration). Known to Spider-Man as Mad Jack. 

RELATIVES: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Jason Philip Macendale, Sr(father, deceased), Karen Macendale (former wife, divorced), Jason Philip "Jay" Macendale III (son). 

Jack O'Lantern II:Unknown. 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): Mysterio I/Quentin Beck (cousin, deceased). 

Jack O'Lantern III(male):Unknown. 


HEIGHT: 

Jack O'Lantern I:6 ft. 1 in. 

Jack O'Lantern II:6 ft. 

Jack O'Lantern III(female):Estimated at 5 ft. 4 in. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male): 5 ft. 10 in. 

WEIGHT: 

Jack O'Lantern I: 210 lbs. 

Jack O'Lantern II: Unknown but he was at some point successfuly impersonated by Captain America whose weight is estimated at 240 lbs. 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): Estimated at 115 lbs. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male): 160 lbs. 

EYES: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Brown. 

Jack O'Lantern II:Unknown (never seen out of costume). 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): Brown. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male):Blue. 

HAIR: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Black. 

Jack O'Lantern II: Unknown (never seen out of costume). 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): Brown. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male): Brown. 

GROUP AFFILIATIONS: 

Jack O'Lantern I: United States Marine Corps, CIA (Central Intelligence Agency), Kingpin/Wilson Fisk, Rose/Richard Fisk, Hobgoblin III/Ned Leeds, Foreigner/Rafael Basil Sabitini, N'astirh, Sinister Six(Beetle, Doctor Octopus, Electro, Mysterio I, Sandman, Scorpia, Shocker, Vulture), Gaunt/Professor Mendel Stromm. 

Jack O'Lantern II: Red Skull/Johann Schmidt(employer), Skeleton Crew(Blackwing, Crossbones, Cutthroat, Mother Night), Beetle/Abner Jenkins, Boomerang/Fred Myers, Scorpia/Elaine Coll, Shocker/Herman Schultz, Dennis "the Golem" Golembuski(employer), Constrictor/Frank Payne, Madame Rapier. 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): Mysterio I/Quentin Beck(mentor), Mysterio II/Daniel Beck(fellow student and partner), Conundrum(fellow student and friendly rival), Green Goblin I/Norman Osborn (employer). 

Jack O'Lantern III(male): J(ohn?) Jonah Jameson (employer), Mysterio I/Quentin Beck(mentor), Mad Jack/Maguire Beck(fellow student and partner), Conundrum (fellow student and friendly rival), Green Goblin I/Norman Osborn (employer), Sinister Six(Electro, Kraven II, Sandman, Venom, Vulture). 


ENEMIES: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Machine Man/Aaron Stack, Spider-Man/Peter Benjamin Parker, Silver Sable/Silver Sablinova, Hobgoblin III/Ned Leeds, Green Goblin II/Harold "Harry" Osborn, Ghost Rider/Daniel Ketch, Demogoblin, Grim Hunter/Vladimir Kravinoff, Hobgoblin I/Roderick Kingsley. 

Jack O'Lantern II:Captain America/Steven Grant Rogers, Diamondback/Rachel Leighton, Falcon/Samuel Thomas "Sam"/"Snap" 
Wilson, Alpha Flight(Guardian/Heather MacNeil Hudson, Nemesis/Jane, Puck/Eugene Milton Judd, Wildheart/Kyle Gibney), Spider-Man/Peter Benjamin Parker, Wolverine/James "Logan" Howlett, Spider-Man/Ben Reilly, Hood/Parker Robbins. 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): J(ohn?) Jonah Jameson, Spider-Man/Peter Benjamin Parker, Daredevil/Matthew Michael Murdock, Guy Named Joe/Joe Smith. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male):Spider-Man/Peter Benjamin Parker, J(ohn?) Jonah Jameson, Daredevil/Matthew Michael Murdock, Guy Named Joe/ Joe Smith. 

POWERS: 

Jack O'Lantern I:Military training, hand-to-hand combat, & Martial Arts, experienced airplane and helicopter pilot, agility at least equal to Kraven/Sergei Kravinoff (after using his elixir), cybernetically enhanced super-strength (thanks to Gaunt). 

Jack O'Lantern II:athletic and skilled in hand-to-hand combat. 

Jack O'Lantern III(female): Techno-whiz, she has upgraded the technology used by Mysterio I. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male): experienced actor and stuntman, skilled in using Mysterio I's technology. 

WEAPONS: 

Jack O'Lantern I:grenades (explosive, sleeping gas, tear gas, smoke), energy blasting gloves, glider and pumpkin shaped helmet resistant to Spider-Man's punches. As Hobgoblin he had a goblin glider, Jack O'Lantern bombs, razor edged bat-wings and gloves cabable of giving electrical shocks to whoever he touches. All standard Hobgoblin equipment. 

Jack O'Lantern II:A glider similar to that of his predecessor, Kevlar body armor that has even resisted anti-tank warheads, bulletproof helmet with internal oxygen supply, infra-red telescopic vision and scanning device, gloves cabable of giving electrical shocks at short distances, gas grenades(anesthetic, hallucinogenic, regurgitant, tear). 

Jack O'Lantern III(female):glider similar to that of her predecessors, Mysterio's upgraded special effects technology, pumpkin bombs, hallucinogenic gases, hypnosis inducing helmet. 

Jack O'Lantern III(male):Effectively the same as his partner. 

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As for the question if Jason and Maguire are the same person , well 
concidering that the one is male and formerly married to a woman and the other is a young woman, I'd doubt it. Unless a sex-change is mentioned at some point. 

Otherwise their histories seem to overlap at some point. The following is their combined chronologies with notes from Spider.Fan's summaries of those issues, starting in 1996. 

1)Green Goblin #4(January, 1996). Jason is seen as Hobgoblin IV conducting his latest crime. Green Goblin IV/Phillip Urich turns up to stop him. They are both heirs to the Goblin legacy but Jason's experience gives him the advantage. He defeats the rookie but he fails to kill him when Thing/Benjamin Jacob Grimm comes to the rescue. 

2)Spider-Man #68(May, 1996). Jason is seen as Hobgoblin IV. He has received cybernetic enhancements by Gaunt. He first faces Spiderman II 
/Ben Reilly in battle and manages to defeat him. He contemplates killing him but Dr. Seward Trainer orders against it. Jason and Seward leave Ben battered, bloodied, half-concious but alive. 

3)Spectacular Spider-Man #234(May, 1996). Continued directly from the previous issue. Jason is seen as Hobgoblin IV alonside Dr. Seward Trainer. They are receiving their orders from Gaunt/Professor Mendel Stromm of Multivex Corporation. Later Spider-Man I/Peter Benjamin Parker and Spider-Man II turn up to investigate the regular payments of a large sum from Osborn industries to Multivex. Jason engages them in an indecisive battle that leaves them confused. 

4)Spider-Man Unlimited #12(May, 1996). J(ohn?) Jonah Jameson has offered 100, 000 dollars for the recovery of the skeleton wearing Spidey's suit (it belongs to a deceased clone of Spider-Man). Jack O'Lantern II is seen alongside Beetle/Abner Jenkins, Boomerang/Fred Myers, Scorpia/Elaine Coll and the Shocker/Herman Schultz trying to recover it and claim the reward. Spider-Man II turns up and proceeds in defeating all five of them. That is the last appearance of Jack O'Lantern II for six years. 

5)Spider-Man #69(June, 1996). Jason appears as Hobgoblin IV. He is arguing with Gaunt as the later wants to severe ties with him. Then Spider-Man II appears requesting a rematch. Jason is defeated and then forced to confess that he was behind the burning of the Daly Grind and the subsequent framing of Ben. Peter Parker and Ben Urich record the confession. Jason is incarcerated. He will appear in prison for his following few appearances. 

6)Spider-Man:Hobgoblin Lives #1(January, 1997). Jason is still in prison. His trial begins. He is charged with all the crimes attributed to the Hobgoblin. He startles the audience when he claims he is not the original Hobgoblin and that a number of this crimes were performed by his predecessor. He calls Betty Brant as a witness and she reports that Ned Leeds was said predecessor. The trial is interrapted until the new evidence can be examinated. Jason returns to prison. Hobgoblin I/Roderick Kingsley then enters prison to murder his successor. Roderick was persumed murdered since Wed of Spider-Man #29 (August, 1987) but this mini-series reveals that the murder attempt instead managed to 
seriously wound his twin brother Daniel Kingsley. 

7)Spider-Man:Hobgoblin Lives #2(February, 1997):Betty Brant views the videotape featuring Jason's murder. That is persumed to be his last appearance. 

8)Spectacular Spider-Man #241-248 (December, 1996-August, 1997). 
Maguire debutes as Jack O'Lantern III. She is almost always accompanied by her pet black cat also called Maguire. 

Through issues #241-246 and Spidey is busy facing Chameleon/Dmitri Smerdyakov Kravinoff and the Legion of Loosers(Gibbon, Grizzly, Kangaroo II, Spot) and Maguire is busy stalking J. Jonah Jameson and his wife Marla Madison. At some point she finds Man-Wolf/John Jameson injured by Chameleon and approaches him. He shots at her but his bullets apparently miss the target. She is seen breaking his hand. John is then curiously seen healthy and returning to his lover Dr. Ashley Kafka. In issue #246 Maguire proceeds in kicking the crap out of J. Jonah Jameson resulting in his hospitalisation. 

Issue #247 features her first encounter with Spidey. She is outside Jonah's hospital window observing him regain his senses. Spidey locates her and attempts to fight her. She states that she is only interested in the Jamesons and not in him. She then sents her cat to scratch him. Distracted Spidey fails to stop her leaving. He decides to wait in the hospital. When she does return Maguire tries to avoid battling him but the gentleman insists. During the battle Spidey looses misses a web-shot and falls from a great height, seemingly to his doom. Maguire stops his fall and apparently saves his life. She then explains that she only wanted to distract Spidey while her partner was inside with Jonah. Spidey enters Jameson's room to find somebody suffocating him with a pillow. Spidey knocks him out to discover the would be murderer being a brainwashed John Jameson. 

In issue #248 Maguire blackmails the reasonably frightened Jonah. The price for his safety is delivering the ownership of the Daily Bugle to her employer. He agrees. The employer is then revealed as Norman Osborn. Norman offers her 1,000, 000 dollars in cash for her services. She takes the money but then burns it before his face. She states that she has her own reasons for acting and money is not among them. (The eccentricity of the Mad Jack featured here has led to speculation that this is only the slightly insane Maguire and not the more reasonable Daniel who appears). 

9)Spectacular Spider-Man #257-258 (May-June, 1998). Spider-Man operates as "Prodigy". Jack O'Lantern and Conundrum are both after a mystical artifact, "the fabled Hand of Mumthazi". It is in the possession of Ambassador Hazram Chaliz. Conundrum abducts Hazram's daughter Tabriaz Chaliz and demands the Hand in exchange for her life. Meanwhile Jack has already stolen the Hand. The two rival villains meet and argue later. Conundrum still wants the Hand and Jack is now more interested in the girl. Conundrum reminds his former fellow student that their deceased master always believed Jack's romantic strick would proove fatal someday. Prodigy appears to save the girl and defeats Conundrum. Jack is ready to use the mystical artifact against him but then a bullet strikes at his back. Norman Osborn and his bodyguards have arrived. Jack is believed deceased but by the end of the issue he is seen discussing with Norman as employer to employee. The death had been faked to suit both their purposes. (Conundrum' s comments that Jack is loosing his agility at his old age have led to speculations that this only the middle-aged Daniel and not the youthful Maguire appearing here. Jack's apparent romantic interest in the girl indicates that this is either a heterosexual Daniel or a homosexual Maguire appearing here). 

10)Mysterio I/Quentin Beck suicides in Daredevil II #7 (May, 1999). As revealed later Daniel abandons the identity of Jack O'Lantern III in favor of his former identity as Mysterio II. He had last used that identity in Amazing Spider-Man #142 (March, 1975). Maguire remains in her identity of Mad Jack. 

11)Amazing Spider-Man II #8 (August, 1999). Daniel abducts people he considers to be close to Spidey in attempt to determine if one of them is actually Spidey. He merges their unconcious minds and waits to see who emerges dominant. The dominant psyche among them prooves to be Eugene "Flash" Thompson but Peter is the one helping their return to reality. The test prooves incoclusive and Daniel flees. 

12)X-Man #57 (November, 1999). Daniel as Mysterio II torments X-Man/Nate Grey. 


13)Amazing Spider-Man #12 - Peter Parker: Spider-Man #12 (December, 1999). Daniel as Mysterio II is recruited to the reformed Sinister Six. Their new leader Sandman/William Baker plans to lead Electro/Maxwell "Max" Dillon, 
Kraven II/Alyosho Kravinoff, Venom/Edward "Eddie" Brock and Vulture/Adrian Toomes in a hunt for former leader Dr. Octopus/Otto Octavius. Venom is forcibly ousted from the group thanks to Sandman. He swears revenge against his fellow teammates. 

14)Amazing Spider-Man #17 - Peter Parker: Spider-Man #17. Daniel is seen as Mysterio II along his teammates Sandman and Electro. Sandman is seemingly dying after an attack by a vengeful Venom. Spidey turns up and all three turn their attention and anger against him. In the later issue they part ways. Venom attacks and seriously wounds Electro. Kraven II decides to be the hunter rather than the hunted. He captures Spidey and uses him as bait to attract Venom. The two villains constantly manage to outwit each other while Spidey attempts to end their battle. At last Venom manages to gut Kraven and flees. Spidey has to transport Alyosha to the hospital. 

15)Spider-Man:Mysterio Manifesto #1-3(January-March, 2001). Maguire and Daniel respectively as Mad Jack and Mysterio II reform their partnership to seek revenge both for themselves and their deceased mentor Mysterio I. Revenge against their worst enemies J. Jonah Jameson, Spider-Man, Daredevil and Guy Named Joe/Joe Smith. The mini-series explains the recent activities of both identities. At the end Daniel escapes and Maguire is apprehended. Spidey and Daredevil are somewhat surprised that an unmasked Jack turns to be a youthful woman. Maguire is smiling: "This was fun. We should do it again. With a better ending". Spidey answers: "Uhhhh...Sure". She is then led to prison. This seems to be Maguire's last appearance. 


16)The Hood #2-4(June - August, 2002). Jack O'Lantern II reappears. He is now under the employement of Dennis "The Golem" Golembuski. He acts as back up for Madame Rapier and guards a diamond shipment alongside Constrictor/Frank Payne and the Shocker. They face mutate thief the Hood/Parker Robbins. They fail and he escapes with a shipment worth of 1, 500, 000 dollars. 

17)Spider-Man: Get Kraven #1 (August, 2002). Daniel as Mysterio II is among the patrons of the local "Bar with no name" (a place for the supervillain community to hang out). This seems to be his last appearance. 

18)The Hood #6(October, 2002). Jack O'Lantern II, Constrictor and the Shocker again act as back up for Madame Rapier but are getting fed up with her attitute towards them. When the Hood reappears they leave her at his mercy and he gets her killed by the police. The Hood then returns the diamonds and agrees to a truce. This seems to be Jack II's last apeearance. 

Does it seem likely for them to be the same person? Or is Millar just unfamiliar with the characters? 

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Thread 2

Posted: 17 Feb 2004 09:05 pm    Post subject: CYCLOPS II...DAGDA...LIONEL DIBBS
By Arthur [DIRECTOR]

new entries marked ** 


CYCLOPS II/SCOTT SUMMERS 

**CX 15/2-FB (5p3) The panel represents the first speech attributed to Cyclops (and Corsair). It shows the Summers family enjoying their flight prior to the Shiar contact that separated them. UX 156 (10p5) also shows the family en route. I place this one first on the slimmest circumstance the whole family is engaged in animated conversation and we all know how kids quiet down after a while when on a long trip. The scene in UX 156 shows everyone very calm. UX 156 states that they were south of Cape Yakataga which looks to be about 300 miles from Anchorage about an hours flight in a Mosquito. Plenty of time for the kids to tire out. 
UX 156-FB 
UX 144-FB (splitting current single entry 12p5, 14p1) 
**CX 15/2-FB (6p2) Corsair telling Kate to hurry (getting the kids out). I place it after UX 144 14p1 because in UX 144 Scott is asking mom, what about you an dad? and in CX 15/2 6p2 its mom  NO!. Also in UX 144 14p1 Scott has not picked Alex up yet for the jump; CX 15/2 shows Scott holding Alex. 
UX 144-FB (splitting current single entry 14p2  14p5) 
UX 114-FB 

Additionally re CX 15/2-FB: 

. . .CORSAIR 

. . .**CX 15/2-FB (5p3) 
. . .UX 156-FB 
. . .UX 144-FB 12p5 
. . .**CX 15/2-FB (6p2) 
. . .UX 114-FB 
. . .UX 156-FB 
. . .UX 154-FB 
. . .UX 156-FB 
. . .UX 154-FB 
. . .UX 108-FB 
. . .(UX 391-FB --- entry should be moved to after CX 15/2 
. . .XF 115-FB 
. . .CX 15/2 
. . .*UX 391-FB --- relocated from current position. CX 15/2 is where Christopher Summers meets and joins the other Starjammers. The UX 391-FB follows, according to Corsair  It wasnt long after I started the Starjemmers 
. . .UX 104 


. . .HAVOK/ALEX SUMMERS 
. . .**CX 15/2-FB (5p3) 
. . .UX 156-FB 
. . .UX 144-FB 
. . .**CX 15/2-FB (6p2) 
. . .UX 144-FB 



DAGDA 

**T 399 
**M/CP 30/4 
T 417/2 


DIBBS, LIONEL 

**AA2 6 last panel; arm holding gun, and voice 
AA2 8-FB 
AA2 7 
AA2 8 


Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 



#157

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Thread 3

Posted: 16 Feb 2004 10:28 pm    Post subject: More X-Corrections
By Dhall

STRONG GUY/GUIDO CAROSELLA 
NM 29 
UX 259 
**UX 260 
UX 270 

Deadpool 
DPOOL3 21 
DPOOL3 22 
DPOOL3 23 
**DPOOL3 24 
DPOOL3 25 

(Note: I thought Deadpool 24 was a missing gap #2 book, but then I noticed that it seemed to be in everyone's listing who is in the issue, EXCEPT for Deadpool's) 

Holocaust 
XM 17 
A 402 
**XM 97 (gap #2 book) 
**XM 43 (Again this in everyone else's listing who appears in the book) 
XM 44 

In XM 43, Nate and Maddy fly into space, and search the earth for beings who exhibit an age of apocalypse energy signature. They identify three, one in New York, one in Africa, and one in Dublin. The one in Dublin is definitly Holocaust, as we see him appear in the last two pages of the issue. 

Nate belives that the first two, are Dark beast, and Sugarman based upon thier locations. I believe that this is enough to give Dark beast and Sugarman a BTS appearance for this issue. (Since the locating process is in real time, and there are no other AOA energy sources on Earth, we can be sure that Nate is correct.) 


So: 

Dark beast 
XF 144 
** XM '97 (Gap #2) 
**XM 43 - BTS 
XM 44 
GENX 50 
XM 50 

Sugar Man 
X 48 
X 49 
XM '96 
** Xm '97 (Gap #2) 
** XM 43- BTS 

David Hall

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Posted: 17 Feb 2004 10:16 pm    Post subject: Deadpool v3 #24
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Quote: 
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I thought Deadpool 24 was a missing gap #2 book, but then I noticed that it seemed to be in everyone's listing who is in the issue, EXCEPT for Deadpool's 
<<<

That's because he's not IN THE ISSUE. 

Or if he is, I can't see him ... can you point out where he shows up? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 18 Feb 2004 07:14 am    
By Dhall

Hey you're right, never mind. That's what happens when you read too many Deadpol's and not enough sleep.

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Thread 4

Posted: 18 Feb 2004 10:17 am    Post subject: Enforcer Flashback in Cap#320 may be a TRUE flashback
By captamr

Quote: 
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If my theory is correct (and accepted by the MCP), the revised chronologies for the Enforcers (plural) should read as follows: 
ENFORCER/DELAZNY 
GR2 21-BTS 
GR2 22 
GR2 23 
GR2 24 

ENFORCER II/CARSON COLLIER 
GR2 22 
CA 320-FB 
S-W 19 
S-W 27 
S-W 28 
S-W 29 
GR2 58 
S-W 50 
IM 194 
<<< 



An excellent alternative theory to the events presented! This is a perfect example of how written histories should take precedence over the additional information gleaned from handbooks, indexes, letters pages, etc. A wider view of Marvel history is what seems to be important. Additional input from sources other than actual source material is certainly valuable and have aided certain topics in the past to derive the writers true intentions, but it should be the Projects desire to fit primary data first. Ive always felt that the handbooks shouldnt be the Bible of Marvel knowledge as often considered. 

To the powers that be  perhaps we have the definitive listings for the EnforcerS?? 

By the way - love the new message board!!
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Thread 5

Posted: 18 Feb 2004 01:23 pm    Post subject: More on DD2 #57 and Pulse #1 ... mainly directed at Kevin
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Back on the old message board (post #6124), Kevin wrote: 

Quote: 
>>>
I'm not convinced that that Yakuza attack in the random paragraph from the newspaper page in the pages of Pulse #1 is the same as the attack on Murdock in the current DD storyline. I mean, yeah, they're both being released at the same time, (this month)...but the blurb from the paper reads as follows: 

"Yakuza Outburst in Hell's Kitchen" by Ben Urich 

"A quiet night in Hell's Kitchen quickly became a hotbed of excitement. A mob hit went out of control and the hitman's car found it's way into a local store's front window." 

Now so far, (though we don't have the whole issue yet) we see a hundred Yakuza thugs walking towards Murdock, wanting to take him out...no sign of a hitman's car. No sign of a car crashing into a local store's front window... 
<<<


Kevin, I just read The Pulse #1 ... and I have no idea where you got that text, about the hitman's car and so on. That's not what the article says at all. 

Granted, there IS an image of a smashed car along with the article -- but the visible portion of the article reads "A quiet night in Hell's Kitchen turned into a circus of violence and mayhem as over a hundred young men of Asian descent were apprehended ... agents after what ... described as ... erupted". Now, that DOES sound exactly like what occured in DD2 #57-FB. I'd say that the article IS a very clear reference to DD2 #57. 

By the way, the closing pages of DD2 #57 bring the flashbacks up to speed with the framing sequence, and confirm that Matt's fight with the Yakuza was the day before the framing sequence -- which in turn is "almost one year to the day" after DD2 #50. 

And Jessica Jones is still non-visibly pregnant. 

Yahoo, Bendis. 

-Jeph! 
(the relevant Pulse page can be viewed here.)

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Posted: 18 Feb 2004 08:36 pm    
By Kevin W. [DIRECTOR]

Well, of all the crazy... 

Okay, listen: What I read was the first 11 pages of the Pulse #1, as shown in an advanced preview in the "Marvel Previews" book, for March, (released in late December). These are the books that come to your local comic shop at the end of every month so you can order what's coming from Marvel two months down the road. 

I can tell now that they've gone back and edited that newspaper clipping, (in fact, the page has been restructured the panels on the page a bit). My guess is that the person who types in the newspaper words was just typing something, just going off the picture alone...then the editors came in and fixed it, to match the version you have in your hands, Jeph. 

I didn't buy the Pulse #1 today. I did buy DD#57 though. I'm still not sure if I want to pick up another title, (Marvel's stretching me thin as it is) but as much as the Alias/the Pulse is related to Daredevil, maybe I should start... 

So I guess I stand corrected. And yes, this does make for a predicament...at some point, "Alias" must have made a jump forward in months so that it's now 1 year later, (though I haven't the slightest clue on Alias' timeline)...looks like Luke Cage and Jessica may have be "getting it on" several times in the last year... 

Thanks, Bendis. 
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Thread 6

Posted: 18 Feb 2004 01:51 pm    Post subject: NXM #153 (spoilers)
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Today's issue of New X-Men, #153, gives us some of the details of Grant's present-day run on the book... 

Apparently, the character "Ernst", from Xorn's Special Class, all along was actually Cassandra Nova in the body of Stuff, the synthetic Shi'Ar metamorph. 

If you recall, at the end of X #126, Emma Frost tricked Cassandra's spirit into entering Stuff's body, trapping it there -- and reset its synthetic brain to "re-educate" her, from the ground up. 

In X #153, Cassie says "Me in a synthetic alien body ... why, of course you can still call me Ernst. He was my favorite artist." This tells us that Cassie is still IN Stuff's body, and explains how Cassie came to rename herself "Ernst". 

It makes sense, then, that the morphing body would then take on a child's form. And that explains why Ernst was so wrinkled -- her form was based on Cassandra Nova's original body, an older woman. 

So, the MCP's entries for Cassandra Nova and Stuff should both end with a "becomes Ernst" entry after X #126. 

Edit: 
Also, this issue reveals another of the Stepford Cuckoo's names: Celeste. So that gives us four of the five: Esme (traitor), Sophie (died), Phoebe, Celeste, and one more unknown. I know the MCP has a policy wherein we don't give listings to characters who we know solely by first name, but the Cuckoos are fairly major characters. Should we do a "Stepford Cuckoos" joint listing with links to "see Esme", "see Sophie", etc.? 

-Jeph! 
gettin' used to the new posting board... 

Weird stuff, man. Cassandra was Xavier ... Cassandra and Stuff were Ernst ... Xorn was Magneto ... the future Beast seems to be John Sublime ... John Sublime seems to be a prehistoric force of nature ... is ANYONE who they appear to be in Grant's run?

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Posted: 18 Feb 2004 05:55 pm    Post subject: Stepford Cuckoos
By ADMINISTRATOR

Quote: 
>>>
Also, this issue reveals another of the Stepford Cuckoo's names: Celeste. So that gives us four of the five: Esme (traitor), Sophie (died), Phoebe, Celeste, and one more unknown. I know the MCP has a policy wherein we don't give listings to characters who we know solely by first name, but the Cuckoos are fairly major characters. Should we do a "Stepford Cuckoos" joint listing with links to "see Esme", "see Sophie", etc.?  
<<<


I would prefer to list them as: 

STEPFORD CUCKOO/ESME 
STEPFORD CUCKOO II/SOPHIE 

and so on. 


watching: nbc nightly news

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Posted: 18 Feb 2004 08:28 pm    Post subject: Stepford Cuckoos
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

I can see where you're going with that -- that's our usual format for various characters using the same name, and I appreciate the way the MCP tries to stick to a simple, understandable format -- but the Cuckoos, at least to me, seem different. 

For one, they're using the name as a unit -- "the Stepford Cuckoos" refers to all five of them. I've never seen it used in a singular format, like "I am the Stepford Cuckoo!" It's like their mini-team name -- like "X-Men". 

Ignoring that argument, the I II III format is useful for telling us which one came first -- but the Cuckoos were introduced as a unit. How do we determine which one is "Stepford Cuckoo I", "Stepford Cuckoo II", etc.? 

If you want to group them together, I think it'd be more useful to have a single "Stepford Cuckoos" entry that lists them like so: 

STEPFORD CUCKOOS (gestalt): 

ESME 
(Esme's appearances) 
SOPHIE 
(Sophie's appearances) 
PHOEBE 
(Phoebe's appearances) 
CELESTE 
(Celeste's appearances) 
UNNAMED FIFTH CUCKOO 
(appearances) 

I'm also wondering how valid their self-titled group names of "Five-in-One", "Four-in-One", and "Three-in-One" are. Are they as valid as "Stepford Cuckoos" as the names of their little team? Should there be MCP entries for each, redirecting people to "see Stepford Cuckoos"? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 20 Feb 2004 05:21 am    
By Paul O'Brien [DIRECTOR]

While it's certainly implied, I'm not sure that it's safe to assume that the Three-in-One are the same characters as the surviving Stepford Cuckoos. It is, after all, 150 years in the future - they're telepaths, not immortals.
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-- Paul O'Brien

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Posted: 20 Feb 2004 07:02 am    
By Marc-Oliver Frisch

Until the arc is over and done with, I'm not sure it's safe to assume ANYTHING, for that matter. 

I'd wait until the month before "Reload." That seems like a nice point for the MCP to fall back on and "regroup," since all the core titles will presumably catch up with continuity at that stage.
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POPP'D! - Pop Culture Commentary for the Wicked 

Updated daily.

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Posted: 20 Feb 2004 11:24 pm    Post subject: Cuckoos
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
>>>
While it's certainly implied, I'm not sure that it's safe to assume that the Three-in-One are the same characters as the surviving Stepford Cuckoos. 
<<<

I'd say it's a very safe bet -- but even erring on the side of caution, we still know the names of three of the Cuckoos, and what I'm really looking for is everyone's thoughts on how best to list them in the MCP. 

Does my gestalt-format suggestion above strike a chord with anyone else? What about the "Five-in-One" terms? Feedback, anyone? 

-Jeph!

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Thread 7

Posted: 16 Feb 2004 11:16 pm    Post subject: X-Men: Liberators
By Dhall

I just reread X-Men: Liberators, and I've noticed something that leads me to suspect that it's out of place in the listings.... 

In X:L 4 on the very last page: 
Panel 1: This is a continuation of the flashback from the previous page. 

Panel 2: Logan, Kurt, and Peter return home. (This is in current time) 

Panel 3: Where they are greeted by the current X-Men: 
Shadowcat, Gambit, Marrow, Storm, Rogue, and Professor Xavier! 

This raises two issues: 
1) That the six characters just mentioned are missing a listing for this issue. 

2) Professor Xavier is with the X-Men, meaning that this limited series must be sometime AFTER X 84, rather than where it is placed now. (This would change the listings for Colossus, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler.) 

I will post an update (with chronology changes) After I re-read "The Hunt for Xavier" 


David

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Posted: 17 Feb 2004 07:02 am    Post subject: Liberators After X 84
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

Quote: 
>>>
Dhall: Professor Xavier is with the X-Men, meaning that this limited series must be sometime AFTER X 84, rather than where it is placed now. (This would change the listings for Colossus, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler.)  
>>>


Yes, I have the Liberators mini-series occurring after X 84 as well. It's "a few weeks" after UX 360. 

This is one of a number of chronology changes that I'm catching as I slowly try to get the period from The Crossing to Maximum Security on a calendar. 

Jeph undoubtedly is identifying more changes in the course of his work. At some point, I'm assuming we'll have a list of adjustments to suggest.
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Paul B.

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Posted: 21 Feb 2004 06:04 pm    Post subject: X-Men: Liberators
By Dhall

X-Men: Liberators 

Storm 
X 84 
* X:L 4 
W2 139-BTS 
UX 365 

Shadowcat 
UX 364 
X 84 
*X:L 4 
UX 365 
GAM3 1 

Marrow 
UX 364 
X 84 
*X:L 4 
UX 365 

Rogue 
X 84 
*X:L 4 
UX 365 
GAM3 1 

Gambit 
X 84 
*X:L 4 
UX 365 
GAM3 1 

Professor Xavier 
UX 364 
X 84 
*X:L 4 (Note: Im not up to the fb in ux 389, so this either goes before or after it.) 
UX 389-FB 
UX 365 

Nightcrawler 
UX 364 
X 84 
*X:L 1 
*X:L 2 
*X:L 3 
*X: L 4 
UX 365 
GAM3 1 

Colossus 
X 84 
*X:L 1 
*X:L 2 
*X:L 3 
*X:L 4 
UX 365 
X 85 

Wolverine 
UX 364 
X 84 
*X:L 1 
*X:L 2 
*X:L 3 
*X:L 4 
W '99/2 
XU 25/2 
W2 133 

Additionally: 
The FB in X:L 4 is not in the MCP 

Wolverine 
UX 140 
X:L 1-FB 
*X:L 4-FB 
UX 141 
UX 142 

Nightcrawler 
UX 140 
X:L 1-FB 
*X:L 4-FB 
UX 141 
UX 142 

Colossus 
UX 140 
X:L 1-FB 
*X:L 4-FB 
UX 141 
UX 142 

Shadowcat 
UX 140 
X:L 1-FB 
*X:L 4-FB 
UX 141 
UX 142

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Thread 8

Posted: 21 Feb 2004 06:41 pm    Post subject: Illyana Rasputin I and II and Moira
By Dhall

MAGIK 
XTERM 4 
NM 72 
NM 73 
*UX 365 (as a ghost) (This ghost appears as a teenager, so it must be Illyana I, as Illyana II was never a teenager) 



RASPUTINA, ILLYANA II 
UX 160 
NM 73 
NM 74 
NM 75 
XCAL 8 
NM 76 
XF 41-BTS 
NM 77 
UX 293-BTS 
*X17 
*X18 
*X19 
*UX 299 
*UX 300/2 
*UX 301 
*UX 302 
*UX 303 (death of) 
*X-Men: Omega  FB (dead body) 
*GenX 27-FB-BTS (dead body bts, at funeral home) 
*UX 304-BTS (dead body bts, at funeral) 

I don't know how closely we are keeping track of appearances of dead bodies and such, but I threw these up for completness (Yes I know that X17-19 and UX 299-304 are in the first gap, and thus not added yet, but as X-Men Omega and GenX 27 are not, I listed the gap #1 books, just because it's hard to dance around the gap, and add books that occur between gap books.) 

Moira MacTaggert 

*UX 303 (gap #1 of course) 
*X-Men: Omega -FB (she has her head down over the table that Illyana's body is lying on) 

Dave

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Thread 9

Posted: 21 Feb 2004 06:45 pm    Post subject: A '99-Fb AND X '98
By Dhall

Beast 
XF 125/2 
XF 126 
FF 416 
**A 99-FB 
UX 337 
X 57 


Dark Beast 
XF 125/2 
XF 126 
(A '99-FB) should be removed 
XF 131 
XF 133 


Somehow, A 99-Fb got into the Dark beasts listing, instead of Beasts. 
How do I know this is the Real McCoy? 

Simple, this FB takes place AFTER O:MU 
Which means that it also takes place after XF 125-126, where the Dark Beast was revealed to not be the MU Beast, the real Beast was freed, and Dark beast was captured by X-Factor, and turned over to the authorities. (So hes not at the mansion after Onslaught.) 


X '98: 


Phoenix II 
UX 104 
(X '98) should be removed 
UX 104 
CX 13 

The X 98 appearance happens during UX 113 (The X-Men and Magneto are in Magnetos base in the volcano (not on Muir Island as in UX 104.) 
Should Be: 

UX 113 
**X 98 
**UX 113 
UX 125-FB 
CX 19 
UX 113 


ONSLAUGHT II 
(X 1-BTS ~ X '98) should be removed 
UX 322-BTS 
X 46-BTS 
X 49-BTS 

Again, this is not correct. This should read 
X 25 BTS ~ W 104 FB ~ X 98 
UX 322-BTS 
X 46-BTS 
X 49-BTS 

As the scene in X98 occurs during Onslaughts birth, which occurs BTS in X 25 (not X 1) as shown and revealed in W 104-Fb. 

David

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Thread 10

Posted: 21 Feb 2004 09:54 am    Post subject: KEN ELLIS...KENNETH FALSWORTH...FANDRAL
By Arthur [DIRECTOR]

new entries marked ** 


ELLIS, KEN 

PPTSS 226-BTS 
**S-MSS 1/3 (8p3) 
PPTSS 227-BTS 


FALSWORTH, KENNETH 
**CA 253 
**CA 254 
(M/CP 42-FB -- not in MCP; was in one of my earlier posts #138 December 03, 2003 UNION JACK III) 
M/CP 89/3 

. . .Additionally 
. . .SPITFIRE/LADY JACQUELINE FALSWORTH CRICHTON 
. . .CA 253 
. . .**CA 254 
. . .N 12-FB 


FANDRAL [ASGARDIAN] 

T 145/2 
**T 404/2 
**T 405/2 
**T 406/2 
**T@ 14/3 
**T 401 
T 323 
**T 410/2 
**T 416/2 
M/:LG 5 


Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 



#158

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22 Feb 2004 11:09 pm    Post subject: regarding Thor 404/2 - 406/2
By Arthur [DIRECTOR]

I saw the recent Fandral posting, and thought that some of it looked a little odd. Specifically, that Thor I#404-406 story...which seemed to take place just after the Great Cataclysm. 

FANDRAL [ASGARDIAN] 

T 145/2 
**T 404/2 
**T 405/2 
**T 406/2 
**T@ 14/3 
**T 401 
T 323 
**T 410/2 
**T 416/2 
M/:LG 5 

I actually found that Thor I#404-406 back-up storyline a little questionable as to continuity. I will explain why below: 

Thor I#406/2 features an odd story. Thor and the Warriors Three undertake a mission for Odin to recruit a sorcerer named Ulagg for a special mission. Thor says "We journey to a desolate ravaged world.....which was once ruled by a race of evil mortals. So terrible were their crimes, so monumental their arrogance, that the heavens were forced to devastate the entire planet." 

Ulagg says "Behold! Yonder planet is completely covered with water! No trace of dry land can be seen. For untold centuries the storm clouds raged above this cursed world...........and the heavens wept! Now that it has been purified of its evil race and cleansed of their terrible sins, Odin the merciful has bid us to renew its cycle of life". Using a mystical twig of Yggdrasil, Ulagg works a spell. 

Fandral says "Tis most obvious that yon world holds a special place in thy noble sire's [Odin's] heart!". To which Thor says "Aye, and methinks it sings to me as well....would that I knew why!". In the last panel of the story, we see the Asgardians flying away in their ship, and we see a planet that resembles Earth......Earth in its modern continent configuration that is. 

Several things odd about this story. 
1. Thor's comments above sure strike one as a reference to the Celestials attack on Deviant ruled Lemuria per Eternals I#2. So this would have to take place just after the Great Cataclysm (after 20,000 BCE). 

2. On the other hand, Ulagg's comments must be taken with a grain of salt. As seen elsewhere, the Great Cataclysm did not submerge all of the land on Earth under the ocean. Lemuria and Atlantis sank, but much of the Earth such as the Thurian continent remained above water. This must be hyperbole. 

3. I would not recommend that this story occured just after the cataclysm that ended the Hyborian Age, since nothing sank during that Cataclysm. The continents of the world were reconfigured, but that is about it. Flashbacks to early Aryan history (such as the origins of the Maha Yogi, Bloodstone, and the story "Valley of the Worm" in Supernatural Thrillers#3) indicate that migrations took place, but no great deluge happened. 
http://www.hyboria.xoth.net/history/hyborian_age.htm has the text of the adaption of the Hyborian Age, which details the transition to the Bronze Age. 
Also, the comment about the "race of evil mortals" would fit in better with the Deviants getting bombed by the Celestials; the Picts and Hyrkanians did not get bombed by the Celestials. 

4. The last panel of Thor I#406 must be an artist's error, since the Earth did not have its modern continental configurations until after the Hyborian Age ended, which was about ten thousand years after the Great Cataclysm. 

5. Thor and Fandral's comments indicate that they had never seen Earth before, and did not recoginze it. 

Does anyone know of any flashbacks to Thor's youth which indicate whether or not he knew about Earth as a child? 

I actually have no problem with the idea of the Asgardians being around just after the Great Cataclysm, since in Conan of the Isles, a character 
called Sigurd of Vanaheim refers to Thor, and references to Wodun occur in Conan the Savage#3 and #10, as well as elsewhere. (Ymir's cult in the Hyborian Age has been attested to in Savage Tales I#1 and Savage Sword of Conan#141.) 

However, I wanted people to hear the pros and cons of allowing the story in before the project accepts it as canonical.

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 01:35 am    
By ShadZ

I'm not sure why you are trying to tie this in with the Great Cataclysm or the Hyborian Cataclysm. It seems obvious the author of the story was refering to the biblical Flood (you know, Noah and the rest). Has the Flood ever been referenced in any other MU story (as a real event, not alagory)? Maybe it actually happened in the MU... 

Not that I'm saying this story is enough to establish the Flood as real in the MU. But if there are other Flood stories, them maybe... That would put this story only 3000-4000 years ago, right?
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ShadZ

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 02:41 am    
By Peter Fabricius

Quote:
>>> 
I'm not sure why you are trying to tie this in with the Great Cataclysm or the Hyborian Cataclysm. It seems obvious the author of the story was refering to the biblical Flood (you know, Noah and the rest). Has the Flood ever been referenced in any other MU story (as a real event, not alagory)? Maybe it actually happened in the MU... 

Not that I'm saying this story is enough to establish the Flood as real in the MU. But if there are other Flood stories, them maybe... That would put this story only 3000-4000 years ago, right? 
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In Eternals #2, the original Jack Kirby series, Ikaris tells of guiding a wooden vessel carrying humans and animals to safety after the great cataclysm. 

Doctor Damian actually says 'Y-you lived at the time of the Flood? You saw -- the ark?' 

I think Kirby intended this to be Noah's ark. But it could of course be one of the many other flood myths that exists.
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Only three weeks on the job and already I live for seeing his forehead turn that shade of pink.

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 07:39 pm    Post subject: Sorry, Utnapishtim in ark, not Noah, per Captain @11
By Scathach80

"I'm not sure why you are trying to tie this in with the Great Cataclysm or the Hyborian Cataclysm. It seems obvious the author of the story was refering to the biblical Flood (you know, Noah and the rest). Has the Flood ever been referenced in any other MU story (as a real event, not alagory)? Maybe it actually happened in the MU..." 

First of all, since Thor and Odin come from *pagan* mythology, why would one extrapolate that the flood in this story had anything to do with Noah (an *Abrahamic* figure)? 
Second, to my knowledge, the Noah flood has not been established as an actual event in the Marvel Universe. Captain America Annual#11 established that it was Utnapishtim in the Ark from Eternals I#2, not Noah. 
Who was Utnapishtim? Long before the Hebrew Bible was written, Bablyonian myth told of Utnapishtim, a man warned of a great flood by the Anunakki (the gods descended from Anu). As established in Kull (third series)#3, Anu existed in Kull's time, which was before the Great Cataclysm. 
http://www.religioustolerance.org/noah_com.htm 


A couple of prophets from the Abrahamic religions have appeared in the Marvel Universe, but Noah does not seem to be one of them. 
http://blaklion.best.vwh.net/timeline597.html tracks references to Moses, Solomon, etc. in the Marvel Universe. I give a thorough history of the Jews in the Marvel Universe up to 1 CE. (It is part of my Axis-Wins-World War-Two timeline.)

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 07:45 pm    Post subject: Fandral; just checked his Master Edition Entry; those were
By Scathach80

I just checked Fandral's Master Edition of the Handbook entry. Those issues of Thor were cited in his bibliography, so they must be canonical. 

http://users.ev1.net/~peanut/bio-hogun.html also cited in Hogun's bibliography. 

You can read a history of the sinking of Atlantis at Marvel here. 
http://www.captaincomics.us/forums/index.php?showtopic=2150&hl=Atlantis

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 08:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Sorry, Utnapishtim in ark, not Noah, per Captain @11
By ShadZ

Scathach80 wrote: 
>>>
First of all, since Thor and Odin come from *pagan* mythology, why would one extrapolate that the flood in this story had anything to do with Noah (an *Abrahamic* figure)? 
Second, to my knowledge, the Noah flood has not been established as an actual event in the Marvel Universe. Captain America Annual#11 established that it was Utnapishtim in the Ark from Eternals I#2, not Noah. 
Who was Utnapishtim? Long before the Hebrew Bible was written, Bablyonian myth told of Utnapishtim, a man warned of a great flood by the Anunakki (the gods descended from Anu).  
<<<


Sorry if I wan't clear, but by Noah's Flood, I meant the Flood as described (with different details) in many of the mythologies out of the Middle East 
and Medditerian areas. Noah, Utnapishtim, whoever, that's just a detail. 

So, Captain America Annual #11 and Eternals #2 confirm the Flood. Thanks!
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ShadZ

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 09:28 pm    Post subject: However, Captain America@11 and Amazing Spider-Man@23 establ
By Scathach80

"Sorry if I wan't clear, but by Noah's Flood, I meant the Flood as described (with different details) in many of the mythologies out of the Middle East 
and Medditerian areas. Noah, Utnapishtim, whoever, that's just a detail. 

So, Captain America Annual #11 and Eternals #2 confirm the Flood. Thanks!" 

Captain America Annual#11 establishes that the Flood Utnapishtim lived through was the sinking of Atlantis/Great Cataclysm, and Amazing Spider-Man Annual#23 and other sources peg that as happening at 18,000 BCE.

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Thread 11

Posted: 23 Feb 2004 09:36 pm    Post subject: Canon scenes in What If v2 #60!
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Russ, I know that this issue is still in the first Gap, but I thought I'd flag it up because it's very probable that you didn't know about it. 

The issue is "A What If X-Men Wedding Album", and interspersed with three short stories of alternate-universe X-marriages, the Watcher watches the wedding of the mainstream Marvel Scott and Jean! 

And, actually, NONE of the stuff he watches was repeated elsewhere -- not in UX #310, the X-Men Wedding Album magazine, or X-Men #30. 

If you don't have the issue, I can write-up a quick analysis of the canon scenes. Let me know... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 09:59 pm
By ADMINISTRATOR

Quote: 
>>>
If you don't have the issue, I can write-up a quick analysis of the canon scenes. Let me know...  
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Thanks. I don't have any issues from the second series. 


watching: seinfeld

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 10:26 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Coming right up. Do you need a write-up of the X-Men Wedding Album magazine too, or have you got that? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 10:41 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I don't have it. 


watching: king of the hill

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 10:46 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

I'll do a combined write-up of the Album, What If v2 #60, and X-Men #30, mapping out how they all fit together. 

-Jeph!

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Thread 12

Posted: 25 Feb 2004 08:50 am    Post subject: FEAR EATER...GAFF...GEATAR
By Arthur [DIRECTOR]

new entries marked ** 


FEAR EATER/KKALLAKKU 

M/CP 4/4-BTS 
*DRSTR3 21/2 typoshould be DRSTR3 31/2 
DRSTR3 32/2 


GAFF/SIDNEY E. LEVINE 

**M/FAN 16 
**M/FAN 17 
ST 159 
ST 162 


GEATAR 

**SS3 38 
**SS3 44 The remains being examined by Surfer, Mentor and Eros are Geatars 
IW 6-BTS 
SS3 67 


Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 



#159

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Thread 13

Posted: 25 Feb 2004 10:02 am    Post subject: Asgardians chronology question; repeating Ragnarok falsified
By Scathach80

I posted recently about that story in Thor I#404-406 with Fandral which seemed to indicate that the Asgardians (in their current form) were around during the time immediately after (a) the First Great Cataclysm circa 20,000 BCE or (b) the later Hyborian Age (circa 9,500 to 8,000 BCE). 

One reason this story seemed odd was because of the repeating Ragnarok idea from Thor I#293-294. In that story, a disembodied eye of Odin told Thor that the current incarnation of Asgardians was the result of a Ragnarok that destroyed a previous version of the Asgardian pantheon (one which had a red-haired Thor, more in-keeping with the authentic Norse myths). When did this Ragnarok happen? Circa 4 BCE (the birth of Jesus son of Mary). 

Gaea made comments in Thor I#301 that seemed to strongly confirm what the eye said. However, because Buri (Thor's great-grandfather) showed up in Thor I#355 and New Mutants around #86, and Buri made comments which disparage the repeating Ragnarok idea, it seems this repeating Ragnarok idea has now been treated as an at least partially falsified flashback. That is how the Official Handbook Deluxe Edition entries for Odin and Thor treat it, anyway. 

I notice that the chronology does not include those flashbacks in their Odin chronlogy, so would speak inaccurately if I surmised that the MCP considers those Thor I#293-294 flashbacks as falsified flashbacks? 

Nailing down Asgardian history can be as hard as nailing gello the wall, so I welcome any feedback from the better informed and those with a more comprehensive collection.

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Thread 14

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 07:58 pm    Post subject: Generation X Specials
By Dhall

 have noticed that quite often the Generation X Specials and Annuals do not seem to really fit in well with the main book. 

Generation X '98 for example does not fit in here: 
GENX 44 
XFOR 87 
GENX '98 
GENX 48 

Why you ask? In Gen X '98 Paige is coming back to Snow Valley by train and comes back to the team, in Gen X 48, Banshee picks her up at the airport, and she makes it clear that she hasn't see Chamber. 

I am curious, where does everyone else think Gen X '98, and the Holiday special belong? (And any other Generation X Specials for that matter!) 


Jeph thinks they both happen between GenX 49 and 50. I think Gen X '98 has to happen earlier (before Gen X 44) due to the lack of snow on the ground. I would love to hear what Paul, or anyone else has to say on this one. 

David

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 09:37 pm    Post subject: GENX '98
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

First Black Rio, now this. I'm discovering issues that I didn't know I was missing! 

Can't help you with GENX '98, but based on your comment about Husk, it would seem that placement right before GENX 48 is advised. But I'll let Jeph defend his placement of the issue between GENX 49 and 50. Also based on your comment about Husk on the train back to Snow Valley, it doesn't sound like placement of GENX '98 before GENX 44 is advised. Snow has a habit of coming and going in Massachusetts in winter, so I'd let character continuity dictate logical placement here. 

If someone wants to post an analysis of GENX '98, I could try to nail down a date for it.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 09:45 pm    
By Dhall

Gen X'98 is supposed to take place on Holloween, (there are trick or treaters and such) typical autumn weather, and such. 

Character wise it has to happen either before Gen X 44 (say between 43 and 44) (As Paige is down South between Gen X 44 and returns in 48), or between Gen X 48 and 49, As Paige gets her cut short in Gen X 49 (and it is long in Gen X '98) 

If we are going strictly by character placement, I would put it between 48 and 49, ignoring the snow. (Hey it is Snow Valley after all....) 

Basically the very short summary is that Dracula goes after Chamber.... 

David

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 09:58 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

I was sort of trying to ignore Paige's hair. It's long again in the Generation X Holiday Special, too, which I've tried to place near the Christmas Eve in UX #365 -- which would put it around about between Gen X #48-49. 

Basically, my logic went like this: if we can ignore Paige's haircut when placing the Holiday Special, surely we can ignore it for the Halloween-themed Annual as well, and place them both into the same late-fall area? 

'Course, for all I know, Paul B's got that Christmas as "topical" anyhow, and has the Holiday Special in some godforsaken other slot...  

Point: if Gen X '98 comes before Paige leaves to visit her mother in #44, then it has to take place before #42 as well -- as that's when Chamber loses his ability to speak psionically. If I remember right, he is speaking psionically in the Annual. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 10:35 pm    
By Dhall

Well if we can put Gen X'98 in between GenX 48 and 49, we avoid the hair problem for that issue. Perhaps we can put the Holiday special in that gap too. 

In Gen X 50 M says "I can't believ Emma, Sean, oh yeah and Adirenne were so hard up for new students that they opened the door up for the January semester." 

So let's say (for the moment) that none of these references are topical, or if they are that at least we can keep them in sequence, we have: 

Gen X 44-48 (Paige gone, returns in 48) 
Gen X '98 (Holloween) 
Gen X Holiday Special (Christmas) 
Gen X 49 (Paige's haircut) 
Gen X 50 (Emma takes in new students at the start of the January term) 


Does that work out for everyone? 

Dave

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 11:22 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Doesn't Gen X #48 sort of roll straight into Gen X #49, with Maggott showing up at the end? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 11:34 pm    
By Dhall

Yes it does, but Gen X '98 and the holiday special could come in between pages of Gen X 48. The last page with Maggot could happen after those issues without messsing up any of the characters chronology. 

Dave

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 07:31 am    Post subject: Paige's absence
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

Couldn't Paige have made more than one trip home over the span of months that these issues cover? After all, there IS school to attend. 

GENX 44 -- she visits home in early October 
GENX 45 
GENX 46 
GENX 47 
GENX '98 -- she's back for the Halloween story 
GENX HOLIDAY SPECIAL -- she's still at the Academy for Christmas (right?) 
GENX 48 -- she's returning from an intersession break in early January (snow) 
GENX 49 -- picks up where GENX 48 leaves off 

And no, that Holiday Special is not on a "topical" Christmas. That Jeph, what a wise guy... 
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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 11:03 am    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

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Couldn't Paige have made more than one trip home 
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Yeah, she sort of has to, given that we see her "coming home" twice... 

The thing of it is, when Paige leaves in #44, she and Chamber have a "moment" -- he lets her know that he loves her, with the unspoken promise that they'd start doing something about it when she gets back. And in #48, when she DOES get back, he gives her an amazingly cold shoulder. 

Putting the Annual in-between those issues, and pretending that Paige is returning home from a DIFFERENT trip in #48, makes it so the Annual is the first time she sees Chamber since #44. And she doesn't appear excited to see him, nor is there any chemistry. It also takes the punch out of her seeing him in #48, if you know she's already seen him in the Annual and the Holiday Special since #44... 

I'm starting to agree with Dave, that the best place for the Annual and Holiday Special is between the final pages of Gen X #48. 'Course, I'll have to read them again, but it's the closest thing to my earlier placement between #49-50 -- and it fixes the "Paige's haircut" problem. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 05:46 pm    
By Dhall

And Maggot is the only character in the last half of the next to last page and the last page (well besides a cab driver) so the character listings will still be nice and clean (we won't have to list gen x 48 twice in seven character listings.) 

Dave

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 08:03 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Technically, that's three characters -- Maggott, Eany, and Meany.  

Respect the slugs! 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 08:27 pm    
By Dhall

Well that brings up a question, how come Meany has his own MCP listing, but Eany does not? 


Dave Hall

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 08:31 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I thought it was spelled Eeny. 



watching: angel

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 11:46 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

It totally varies ... It's been everything from Eany to Eenie to, apparently, Eeny. 

-Jeph!

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Thread 15

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 07:56 pm    Post subject: KS - Korvac Saga?
By jduteau

The key lists KS as "Korvac Saga" but I haven't been able to find any information on that. I know about the Avengers issues with Korvac in them (#168-#177) but most chronologies list those separately and then KS. 

Is this meant to be the Korvac Saga TPB? Does it have extra stuff in it than the issues had? If not, what is this supposed to be? 

Thanks, 

Jean Duteau

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 08:40 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Yeah, it's the Korvac Saga TPB. The first printing had four extra pages in the back. Those pages, unfortunately, were removed in the recent "Avengers Legends" second print. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 10:43 pm    Post subject: Korvac Saga
By Andy Holcomb

Did they really cut the epilogue in the new printing? Makes me glad I kept looking for the original. An anylsis of the epilogue is somewhere in the archives on the old board.

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 12:11 am    
By John Simons

The Avengers Assemble site has lose pages online: 
http://www.avengersassemble.us/korvtrde.html

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Thread 16

Posted: 25 Feb 2004 06:19 am    Post subject: Updated profiles?
By david

Here are some updated profiles: 
Jubilee: 
Uncanny 297 
Wolverine 66-68 
X Men 17-21 
Wolverine 69-74 
X Men 23 
Uncanny 302-303 
X Men 24 

Jean Grey/Phoenix: 
Uncanny 298-300 
X Men 20-21 
Uncanny 302-303 
X Men 24 

Psylocke: 
Wolverine 66-68 
X Men 17-24 

Rogue: 
Uncanny 297 
Wolverine 66-68 
X-Men 17-23 
Wolverine 69-71 
X Men 24 

Storm: 
Uncanny 298-300 
Wolverine 66-68 
X Men 17-21 
Uncanny 301-303 
Any changes / comments?

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 06:18 pm    
By Dhall

Well you might want to check out the FAQ, specifically the part about the 1993 gap. 

http://www.chronologyproject.com/faq.htm 

Dave Hall

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 08:50 pm
By david

I did but there are no X-Men titles listed there like Wolverine! It's mostly Spider-Man and Marvel Heroes titles, so far - (I looked at questions 2 & 9, by the way).

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 09:07 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

How odd. You specifically mention question 2, but the only answer to question 2 sends you to the Key. 

Did you read the Key?  


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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 10:46 pm    
By david

Ah, that should have question 9 only not questions 2&9! D'oh!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 11:54 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

The bit that the Administrator is trying to direct you to is at the top of the Key. The answer to question #2 in the FAQ ("What's this about a Gap?") links you to the Key, and the text at the top of the Key reads, in part... 

Quote: 
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Currently the MCP holds no books published in the time period from early 1993 to mid 1994 ... Before sending us notification that we're missing an appearance, please, please (we use the word twice because it's important) ask youself if the story in question was published during this gap. If the answer is yes, please don't bother notifying us. We will eventually fill in the gap. 
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By the way, Russ, I wonder if that particular paragraph ought not to be repeated in the FAQ, rather than just linked to. It's a rather key point. 

-Jeph! 

watching: two bums fight over a wedge of cheese

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 12:35 am    
By david

Jeph: 
Okay, I'll ask first next time. It's just a bit odd that Mr Hall did the same thing further down the page!  By the way - I was told to read the F.A.Q not the key! Also the key was last updated in August 2003, 7 months before I posted my profiles!

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 01:53 am    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Quote: 
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It's just a bit odd that Mr Hall did the same thing further down the page! 
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Where? Which thread? I didn't think David Hall's been tinkering with books published in 1993-1994, has he? 

Quote: 
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I was told to read the F.A.Q not the key! 
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But the FAQ itself TELLS you to read the Key! I agree, though, it's really not a very clear way of presenting the information. You can see above that I suggested we make things more obvious. 

Quote: 
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Also the key was last updated in August 2003, 7 months before I posted my profiles! 
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I don't get what you mean by this. If we had added the rule AFTER you posted, sure, I'd be confused. But since the rule in question has been up for public consumption for at least 7 months (and really, it's been there for years), that's just more time that you should have noticed it... 

I really don't get your argument. "The rules were old, so I didn't think to follow them"? 

Anyway, despite this choppy start, welcome to the board.  

-Jeph!

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 02:54 am    
By david

Thanks! I'm not sure what to do next? Any ideas?

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 08:31 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

jephyork wrote: 
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By the way, Russ, I wonder if that particular paragraph ought not to be repeated in the FAQ, rather than just linked to. It's a rather key point. 
<<<


I agree. Although Question #15 issues a rather stern warning about asking me about books from the gap, it seems a little unnatural for the faq to be pointing visitors to other parts of the site for answers to their questions. 


watching: 90-second pop

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 08:34 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

david wrote: 
>>>
Thanks! I'm not sure what to do next? Any ideas? 
<<<


Check Closing the Gap. Link's at the bottom of the page. 


watching: american morning

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 09:18 am 
By Dhall

Quote: 
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It's just a bit odd that Mr Hall did the same thing further down the page! 
<<<


Well I did point out in another thread where some books published post 1994 would fit into a listing and I did reference the 1993 books (because otherwise the post would have made no sense.) I did point out which books were in gap #1, and why I was mentioning them (i.e. to make sure that when Russ finishes 1993 that a couple of books with fb's in them that were published post 1993-94 would be indexed.) 

As far as books that were published solely in 1993-94, I think that Russ already knows about those without any help from me.  

Dave Hall

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Thread 17

Posted: 26 Feb 2004 11:23 pm    Post subject: Punisher (vol. 7), Microchip, and the Punisher's daughter
By Andy Holcombe

Looking at the latest issue of Punisher (vol. 7, #3), we're presented with a couple of problems. First Microchip is portrayed as joining the Punisher after his son is killed. As those of us who read Mike Baron's run on the Punisher (vol. 2) remember, Micro Jr. was enlisted by his father (who was already enjoying a mutally profitable partnership with the Punisher) to help take on the Kingpin. 

Later on in the issue, Micro reveals that he got tired of "The War" and walked away. I haven't read the last two years of Punisher (vol. 2), Punisher War Journal, and Punisher War Zone, but from everything I've heard Micro died toward the end of those runs. He didn't just get up and retire from "The War." 

This series also plays fast and loose with the name of the Punisher's daughter. In this series, she's called Lisa. In past appearances, she's called Christine.

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 11:55 pm    
By Kevin W. [DIRECTOR]

Crap, I somehow missed this issue yesterday when the new comics came out...ah well, I can probably locate it later on this week... 

But anyway, I'm perhaps not as all knowing about Punisher history, but I thought Micro's only reason to aid the Punisher was because his son was killed by criminals...and yet, you're saying their's an old comic that details Micro's son joining his dad while Micro aided the Punisher? This is the first I ever heard of this...what other motivation would Micro have in aiding the Punisher other than his son being killed? 

Moving beyond that though, I'm not as concerned about Micro showing up...characters come back from the dead in Marvel all the time, many times without explanation. We'll just have to roll with it and move on...(though granted, an explanation would be nice...all's I know though is: characters died way too easily and convienently in the mid 90's, which is when Micro died...just like most of us would like to forget the stuff that came out just prior to Heroes Reborn, maybe Marvel's trying to forget stuff like Micro's 'death'...still, an explanation would be nice). 

That Lisa comment is a bit more troubling...is it Frank calling her Lisa? If it was someone else, maybe they were mistaken. But I can't imagine Frank forgetting the name of his own child. The MCP has her listed as Christie Castle. 

All these things aside, I'm still thinking there's enough leeway here to consider the latest Punisher series as canon...though stay tuned.
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Posted: 27 Feb 2004 01:15 am  
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

I believe it's vol. 7, by the way... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 27 Feb 2004 07:51 am    
By Andy Holcombe

Kevin W. wrote: 
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But anyway, I'm perhaps not as all knowing about Punisher history, but I thought Micro's only reason to aid the Punisher was because his son was killed by criminals...and yet, you're saying their's an old comic that details Micro's son joining his dad while Micro aided the Punisher? This is the first I ever heard of this...what other motivation would Micro have in aiding the Punisher other than his son being killed? 
<<<



For Microchip Jr., try Punisher (vol. 2) #14-18 or thereabouts. Microchip had been introduced much earlier in the series (issue #1, perhaps). The Punisher's thoughts reveal that Punisher and Microchip already had a history of working together. For part of that history, look at the two issue Punisher: The Origin of Microchip limited series. Micorchip Jr. was a wee lad with virtually no knowledge that he even had a father when Microchip and the Punisher first partnered up. The Microchip Jr. that died fighting the Kingpin was a young adult. So, Frank and Micro had had a log partnership before Micro Jr. died. 

Kevin W. wrote: 
>>>
Moving beyond that though, I'm not as concerned about Micro showing up...characters come back from the dead in Marvel all the time, many times without explanation. 
<<<


I've seen some scanned pages from Micro's death. He was quite dead and the Punisher used his corpse as a bullet shield. I can handle a a resurrected Micro, just having your body used as a bullet-shield, and then saying you walked away from the Punisher's War. I'm having a hard time swallowing it. It's possible. The '90's were full of clones, dopplegangers, and replacements, so one or more of these could have happened. 

Kevin W. wrote: 
>>>
That Lisa comment is a bit more troubling...is it Frank calling her Lisa? 
<<<


Micro called her Lisa in this issue, but the tombstone in issue #1 had Lisa written on it. 

I'm not yet ready to declare the series non-canon either, but it bears watching.

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Posted: 27 Feb 2004 07:52 am    
By Andy Holcombe

jephyork wrote: 
>>>
I believe it's vol. 7, by the way... 

-Jeph!
<<<


Yeah. I forgot the Zombisher limited series. Thanks for reminding me.

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Posted: 27 Feb 2004 01:18 pm    Post subject: Microchip, Jr
By dimadick

The Appendix has a profile of Michrochip, Jr/Louis Frohike. According to it the lad debuted in Punisher II #4 (November, 1987). 

Frank commented on his age:"He doesn't look much older than twenty". 

And Linus reply was:"Twenty-two. Don't sweat it. Junior knows the score. Who do you think tapped into the National Crime computer for you, over the last two years?". 

Concerning his character let Louis speak for himself:"I hate this #@%* whitebread society. Tear it up. You do your part. I'll do mine. I know it ain't no game." 

The boy only appeared in Punisher II #4, 6, 8, 9 before getting killed by a ninja employed by Takegura, a Japanese businessman. 

Punisher:The Origin of Michrochip #2 retroactively explained that he was the illegitimate son of college students Linus Lieberman and Jan O'Reilly and that he only found out about his father after the later's initial encounter with Frank. 

Strangely all four Punisher II issues featuring him are listed in the Project byt Microchip, Jr does not have a character listing. Any explanations?

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Posted: 27 Feb 2004 02:40 pm    
By Paul O'Brien [DIRECTOR]

One possible reading, of course, is that the current PUNISHER book isn't in the Marvel Universe at all. After all, it's a Max book. 

(Ennis has also mentioned in interviews that he's toying with a guest appearance by the FURY version of Nick Fury in the book's second year.)
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Posted: 27 Feb 2004 04:59 pm    
By Kevin W. [DIRECTOR]

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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One possible reading, of course, is that the current PUNISHER book isn't in the Marvel Universe at all. After all, it's a Max book. 
<<<
 


Hey now, wait a minute...you go down that route, you risk bringing back up the dreaded "Aren't all MAX books out of continiuty?" topic...which it seems was brought up every single time Alias has been discussed...  

The answer settled upon eventually was that we should treat each individual MAX comic as if it's CANON, until scenes in the comic rule out it's being canon... 

Stay tuned. 
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Thread 18

Posted: 27 Feb 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: What's coming from Marvel in May...
By Kevin W. [DIRECTOR]

Well, it's near the end of the month again, and Marvel's released their previews of what's coming out two months from now. This time we see what's coming out in May, and here's the link so everyone can go over it, and be prepared chronology-wise for what's coming out. 

http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2004-05/marvel.php 

Upon looking it over, this is the month in which a lot of Xmen continuity's going to have to start being settled, after Grant Morrison's exit from the title, and the new writers coming on board. The X titles have been shuffled around severly. 

Uncanny Xmen remains the same. 
New Xmen reverts to being just plain Xmen again. 
But wait, there's a NEW core X title: Astonishing Xmen. 
Excalibur's back, (and this is the one that's replacing Xtreme Xmen I think). 
The New Mutants title has become New Xmen: Academy X. 
And they're a new spin off called "District X" which features Bishop, as a "mutant cop in NYC"...it's rumored this replaces the NYX title, which is strangely missing from the Previews... 

Everything else appears pretty stable that month...
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Posted: 27 Feb 2004 02:38 pm    
By Paul O'Brien [DIRECTOR]

Substantively, ASTONISHING X-MEN appears to be a continuation of NEW X-MEN. X-MEN is a continuation of UNCANNY X-MEN. UNCANNY X-MEN is effectively a new book replacing X-TREME, and EXCALIBUR has been invented from thin air. 

(While this forum isn't really the place to grumble about Marvel's idiotic editorial policies, I note in passing that Grant Morrison's run on NEW X-MEN (a) bears more resemblance to the movies than any other version of the X-Men, and (b) outsells Claremont by more than 2 to 1.) 

Sticking to continuity, this week's X-STATIX show Professor X in a wheelchair, which clearly establishes that (a) that book has now passed Planet X, and (b) Professor X will not be regaining the ability to walk.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2004 09:48 am    
By Marc-Oliver Frisch

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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Substantively, ASTONISHING X-MEN appears to be a continuation of NEW X-MEN.  
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In terms of the major characters, yes. 

However, NEW X-MEN: ACADEMY X (the revamped NEW MUTANTS) seems to be filling that slot as well. In their ComiX-Fan interview, Weir and DeFilipis state that the book was initially supposed to be called NEW X-MEN, period.
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POPP'D! - Pop Culture Commentary for the Wicked 

Updated daily.

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Posted: 28 Feb 2004 10:22 am    
By Paul O'Brien [DIRECTOR]

Yes, but they also said that it was given the ACADEMY X subtitle in order to make clear that it wasn't a continuation of NEW X-MEN.
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Thread 19

Posted: 28 Feb 2004 04:18 pm    Post subject: Recent X-chronology: another re-do
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

This week's final issue of Wolverine/Captain America, featuring an appearance by Cyclops, has forced me to re-evaluate (yet again) my accounting of recent chronology of the X-titles. I submit this revised chronology for review. Of course, since we're dealing with current storylines, things could shift yet again...:cry: 

Hopefully my editing of calendar entries matches my rearrangements, but I'm sure my fellow eagle-eyed chronologists will catch any errors. Wherever you see a smiley face emoticon with sunglasses ( 8) ), substitute the number 8 and a closed parenthesis. Argh. 


Saturday, April 26 
X-TREME X-MEN #24 (20-21p2) 
One day, months after XX 24 (18-19). Sam and Lila return to Paris, where it isspring and we see green grass and trees. 

Sunday, April 27 
X-TREME X-MEN #24 (21p3-21p4) 
Probably the morning after XX 23 (1-16). In Paris, Cannonball and Lila have breakfast and read an on-line news item about the events of XX 20-22. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #423 
One day. It cannot be a few weeks after UX 422, but rather several months, as noted in UX 424. Nightcrawler, Havok, Polaris, Cyclops, and Jean are all at Xaviers. Logans goatee is gone and he has a new outfit, black with yellow tiger stripes. The Church of Humanity leaves a calling card in front of Xaviers  a bunch of crucified mutants, including Jubilee, Skin, Jesse Bedlam, and Magma, shortly before NM2 3 (1-19); I suggest a Sunday as a symbolic day to do this. Archangels healing powers save some of them, but Angelo dies. Xorn and Xavier cannot be reached; Xavier probably has left the school as he intended to do. After Cyclops chews out Kurt for not briefing the team about the Church, they discover that someones been messing with Kurt through his presumed life as a priest. That night, they find slaughtered mutants beneath St. Michaels Church. Green grass and trees at Xaviers. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #424 (1-5p1) 
The same night as UX 423. At St. Michaels church, the X-Men discover the plot of the Church of Humanity and decide to head to Montana to fight it. It is several months after the destruction of Genosha in X 115. 

Monday, April 28 
UNCANNY X-MEN #424 (5p2-24p2) 
The day after UX 424 (1-5). It is a few months after UX 422, and the reference that UX 423 is only a few weeks after UX 422 must be incorrect. The X-Men attack the Church of Humanity compound in Montana, where we see green grass. The X-Men prevail. 

Thursday, May 1 
UNCANNY X-MEN #424 (24p3-24p8) 
One day, days after UX 424 (5-24). Nightcrawler thinks about the Church of Humanitys pope and reflects on his own abiding faith. We see green trees and a butterfly at Xaviers. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #425 (1-4) 
One night. Havok has a romantic dream about Annie. 

Friday, May 2 
UNCANNY X-MEN #425 (5-17p1) 
The day after UX 425 (1-4). Iceman refers to having turned to solid ice the other day. At Alexs bachelor party, Alex comes to grips with his feelings for Annie. Forge is there, but he and Xavier probably have no opportunity to meet, given the reference in MYS 1. At Lornas bachelorette party, Lorna ends up with a stripper dressed like Gambit, while Iceman hooks up with Annie. Xavier is still nowhere to be seen. Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch appear at the parties (and at the wedding). Green grass and trees at Xaviers. 
X-STATIX #11 (18) 
One day, two weeks after XS 11 (17). El Guapo cheats on his girlfriend and Doop takes pictures of the infidelity. 

Saturday, May 3 
UNCANNY X-MEN #425 (17p2-23) 
The day after UX 425 (5-16). It is a few weeks (more like seven) before XX 40. Realizing his true feelings, Alex calls a halt to the wedding ceremony. Professor X is among the attendees, as is Forge, so this segment likely occurs after MYS 2; perhaps Xavier and Forge traveled together from DC to New York to attend the wedding. It also appears that Soldier X and Domino are here, probably sometime between SX 7 and WX2 6 (18-23). Rogue and Gambit are here, but the X-Treme team doesnt seem to be, and neither does Chamber. Magma cannot be one of those present, as she is in a coma. Cannonball is presumably here, based on remarks he makes in XX 40. Green grass and trees at Xaviers, where it is warm enough for an outdoor wedding; in fact, Alex remarks that its hot today. My placement of the wedding here means that Alexs and Lornas engagement lasted several months. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #426 
The same day as UX 425 (17-23). It is a few months after UX 419. Havok refers to UX 424 (5-24) as having occurred recently. He also notes that the last few weeks have been so chaotic. The scorned Polaris attempts to kill Havok and Annie, but shes taken out by Juggernaut. Havok and Annie discover that theyve had a relationship, thanks to the mutant power of Annies son Carter. Alex and Annie jet to Paris for a day to turn their fantasy relationship to reality. This issue must occur before EXILES 28. Green grass and trees at Xaviers. 

Sunday, May 4 
EXILES #28 
Probably the day after UX 426, since Annie tells Paige about her and Alexs time in Paris the previous night. Wolf-kid Nicholas Gleason cuts Havok open and good Alex is replaced by a bad Alex, who attacks the mutants at Xaviers. The Exiles teleport in to stop bad Alex and the Dominant Species werewolves show up. Warren admits his love for Paige and discovers that his uncle is responsible for the shenanigans at Lobo Tech. Wolverine has no goatee and is wearing is tiger-stripe costume. We see green grass and trees and blowing leaves and Xaviers. It is warm enough outdoors for short sleeves. 
EXILES #29 
The same day as EXILES 28. The Exiles and the X-Men battle both the bad Alex and the Dominant Species werewolves. Kurt notes that the X-Mens jets are all out, that they wrecked a few lately, and that Cyclops group has something big going. Green grass and trees in New York. 
EXILES #30 (1-21) 
The same day as EXILES 29. The Exiles and X-Men defeat the werewolves. Nocturne sends bad Alex to the empty void whence he came and good Alex returns. The Tallus gives the Exiles four days to stay with the X-Men, until EXILES 30 (22-23). During that four days, no other X-adventures are likely to occur. Green grass and trees in Westchester. 
WOLVERINE: XISLE #1 (1-22) 
One day. Logan takes Amiko to a museum, then they go to a carnival, where we see green grass and trees and a variety of dress, from shorts and halter tops to jackets. There, Logan gets angry and frustrated, and when he loses control, he forces Amiko to run away from him. Logan then drowns his sorrows at a bar. 

Monday, May 5 
WOLVERINE: XISLE #1 (23) 
The day after W:X 1 (1-22). Logan is passed out on a little island, where he paid a helicopter pilot to drop him off at sunrise. 
WOLVERINE: XISLE #2 
The same day as W:X 1 (23). 
WOLVERINE: XISLE #3 
The same day as W:X 2. 
WOLVERINE: XISLE #4 
The same day as W:X 3. 
WOLVERINE: XISLE #5 
The same day as W:X 4. Logans introspective anger management ends and the pilot arrives to pick him up at sunset. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #4 (1) 
One day. David tells his parents that he is thinking of taking another course  a summer class  at the University of Chicago. 

Tuesday, May 6 
WOLVERINE: SNIKT #1 
One night. While walking in New York City, Logan is approached by a girl named Fusa who demands that he help her save her people from extinction by genocide. Both are pulled into a vortex of space and time. In a future earth, Logan defends himself against cybernetic creatures called the Mandate. 
WOLVERINE: SNIKT #2 
The same night as W:S 1. Logan actually spends this issue in an alternate future. 
WOLVERINE: SNIKT #3 
The same night as W:S 2. Logan actually spends this issue in an alternate future. 
WOLVERINE: SNIKT #4 
The same night as W:S 3. Logan actually spends this issue in an alternate future. 
WOLVERINE: SNIKT #5 
The same night as W:S 4. Logan returns from the alternate future, presumably the same night as he left. 

Thursday, May 8 
EXILES #30 (22-23) 
One day, four days after EXILES 30 (1-21). The Exiles say their goodbyes to the X-Men, and Warren keeps Illyanas sword. Green trees at Xaviers. 
X-STATIX #12 (1-10) 
One day. Dead Girl becomes a fashion model and faces protesters while her teammates start a mission on the India/Pakistan border. Tike fetches Dead Girl for the mission and finds her at X-Statix morgue, where they encounter a mortician with necrophilia. Green grass and trees in California. 
NEW X-MEN #134 (1-2) 
One rainy night. Mutant designer Jumbo Carnation dies in Alphabet City. This event is noted as having occurred the other night in X 135 (1-14). 

Friday, May 9 
NEW X-MEN #134 (3-22) 
The day after X 134 (1-2). Logan is not at Xaviers. Reference is made to Jean being in Hong Kong and expected home soon after being away for a while; however, it seems Jean may run into unexpected delays, as she doesnt make it back home until X 138 (16-23). We see green grass and autumn leaves in Westchester and there is a reference to it being late summerwhich must be topical. 
X-STATIX #12 (11-22) 
The day after XS 12 (1-10). The morticians daughter goes on a shooting spree at her high school and ends up being shot dead by police. Dead Girl kills the mortician to protect the daughter and X-Statix finishes its work in Asia. Green grass and trees in California. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #427 
One day. Warren, Paige, and Jubilee visit Skins grave in Los Angeles, where we see green grass and trees. It is long enough after UX 423 for Angelo to have been buried. In fact, this story may occur after EXILES 30 (22-23). The narration notes that this story occurs after a month that included the attacks by the Church of Humanity and by Polaris  I interpret this to mean that those events occurred in the same month and that this story is set early in the following month. Husk and Jubilee deal with the exhumation and cremation of Angelos body because of cemetery policy regarding mutants, while Archangel uses his healing power to save some hospitalized kids. 

Saturday, May 10 
X-STATIX #13 (1-10) 
One day, years after XS 13-FB (1/2p3). Henrietta Hunters spirit inhabits a corpse and alters its appearance to look like herself. This news immediately spreads and Spike Freeman gets X-Statix to fetch her for the team. Once at X-Statix headquarters, the team makes her feel unwelcome and she bolts for Lacunas TV talk show. Xavier is shown here standing, so this story must occur before X 146 (and thus before X 142); it is likely before Xavier announces his intention to step down as headmaster in X 138 (10-14). 

Sunday, May 11 
X-STATIX #13 (11-17) 
Perhaps the day after SX 13 (4-10). After a foiled attempt on Henriettas life, Spike makes her part of X-Statix and the team expresses its displeasure with Spikes unilateral decision. Spike then signs a deal with those who want Henrietta dead to set up a battle between X-Statix and a group of super-powered Euro-Trash. 
NEW X-MEN #135 (1-14) 
A school day at Xaviers. Xavier notes that he is opening the doors to the Institute to non-mutants in three days time. Since X 138 labels Open Day a Wednesday, this then must be a Sunday; X 121 establishes that Xaviers doesnt hold to traditional human school practices, so there may very well be Sunday classes. Quentin Quire has changed considerably in recent weeks. Quire refers to the murder of Jumbo Carnation in X 134 (1-2) as having occurred the other night. Glob Herman probably appears here after UX 416. We see green grass and trees in Westchester and its seasonable enough for Xorns Special Class (which is convening for the first time) to go camping. Because of its special nature, Xorns class may not follow the traditional semester. High on kick, Quentin Quire and his Omega Gang assault a group of mutant-hating youths. 

Monday, May 12 
NEW X-MEN #135 (15-22) 
The day after X 135 (1-14). Xavier discusses the Quire situation telepathically with his X-Men, including Jean, who is still in Hong Kong, and Logan, who isnt necessarily at Xaviers. Xorn continues the camping trip with the Special Class. Green grass and trees. 
X-STATIX #13 (18-21) 
Perhaps the day after XS 13 (11-17). While in New York to attend the opening of the new X-Statix megastore, X-Statix are attacked by the Euro-Trash and Spider-Man joins the fray. It appears to be warm in Manhattan. 
X-STATIX #14 (1-19) 
The same day as XS 13 (18-21). X-Statix and Spidey battle the Euro-Trash, who retreat inside the store and hold Henrietta hostage. X-Statix leave the scene, but after Doop shows them how Spike Freemans been manipulating them, the team ties him up and returns to destroy the Euro-Trash and free Henrietta. Spidey kind of gets lost in the shuffle. At a follow-up press conference, Henrietta announces she intends to use X-Statix to continue her charitable work and to change the teams costumes. 

Tuesday, May 13 
NEW X-MEN #136 (1-21) 
The night of the day after X 135 (15-22). The Omega Gang attacks a group of U-Men, and a squad of U-Men attacks the Special Class, who are still on the camping trip. Beak and Angel have sex, apparently for the first time, given the dialog. Xorn defeats the U-Men and the class is taken back to Xaviers school, where the Omega Gang capture Xavier. It is before a Friday. Green grass and trees. 

Wednesday, May 14 
NEW X-MEN #136 (22) 
The morning after X 136 (1-21). It is Open Day at Xaviers, the day that Xavier has invited non-mutants to tour the school for possible enrollment, perhaps for the semester following this. The Omega Gang begin their attack on the school. According to XX 24, this issue occurs after XX 23. Green grass and trees in Westchester. 
NEW X-MEN #137 
The same day as X 136 (22). Wolverine is back at Xaviers, sporting a goatee once more. The X-Men battle the Omega Gang. In the end, Quentin Quire is defeated and Sophie of the Stepford Cuckoos is killed. Green grass and trees in Westchester. 
NEW X-MEN #138 (1-6) 
The same day as X 137. The X-Men deal with the aftermath of the Omega Gangs riot on a Wednesday. Green grass and trees in Westchester. 
X-TREME X-MEN #24 (21p5-22p1) 
One day. Still in Paris, Cannonball and Lila learn of the riot at Xaviers via the internet, so this segment may occur the same day as X 137. 

Thursday, May 15 
NEW X-MEN #138 (7-9) 
It is presumably a Tuesday, six days after X 138 (1-6), but Emma mentions that Sophie died yesterday, making this segment the day after X 137, a Thursday. The remaining Stepford Cuckoos announce that they will depart Xaviers after the upcoming prize-giving ceremony and walk out on Emma; this notice may be months in advance  the Cuckoos may intend to stick it out for the rest of the school year, then transfer to an exclusive school that may not have openings until the summer. Emma notes that she is twenty-seven; this would make her a teenager at the time of her debut in UX 129. Green grass and trees in Westchester. 
X-STATIX #14 (20-22) 
One day. It is probably a few days after XS 14 (1-19)  long enough for Henrietta to get lots of fan mail, design new costumes, and raise awareness and money for various causes, but no too long, as Spike Freeman is still trussed up in his bathrobe. With Henriettas Q-rating outstripping the rest of the team and demands for her to become team leader, X-Statix decide that she must die. 
X-TREME X-MEN #24 (22p2) 
One day. Cannonball learns that things with the X-Treme team are serious, though Im not sure what the exact reference is. 

Friday, May 16 
UNCANNY X-MEN #429 
One day. It must be more than a few weeks after UX 422. It is some time after UX 406 (1-21). One early morning, Nightcrawler inexplicably jets off from Westchester and as Xavier prepares to send a team after him, he has an altercation with Juggernaut and a restrained Polaris spouts off at Annie. Several hours later, the X-Men arrive at Isla des Demonas, where they find Kurt participating in a strange ritual. We see a full moon and green grass and trees at Xaviers and bathing suit weather off Florida. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #430 
The same day as UX 429. It must be more than a few weeks after UX 422. Sammy is abused by his father at his home in Vancouver, where we see green trees. Xorn wants to put Carter in his special class (and reveals some Magneto-like thoughts). Xavier and Annie explore Lornas mind to find the reason for her recent behavior. The X-Men are attacked by demonic creatures as they try to rescue Kurt from Isla des Demonas, Iceman is blown to bits, and the group is engulfed in a powerful telepathic blast. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #431 
The same day as UX 429. Polaris shows Xavier and Annie her experience in Genosha. Juggernaut and Northstar jet to Vancouver (where we see green trees) to see Sammy. The X-Men battle demon-like creatures. Mystique emerges from Abyss dimensional hole, having been trapped in there since UX 406. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #432 
The same day as UX 431. Given Xorn has not yet revealed is identity in UX 430 and Xavier is still walking here, this issue must occur before X 146; indeed, since Scott is still with the X-Men, this issue must occur before X 139 (1-20). 
UNCANNY X-MEN #433 
The same day as UX 432. Juggernauts battle with Alpha Flight results in the accidental injury of Sammys mother. Nightcrawler learns from Azazel the truth behind his teleportation power, and when Xavier, Annie, and Lorna arrive at La Isla des Demonas to search for Carter, Polaris opens a portal to Azazels dimension. Green trees in Vancouver. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #434 
The same day as UX 433. It is three days before UX 435 (1-18). Seeing what his battle has wrought, Juggernaut gives up the fight with Alpha Flight. Iceman re-forms, Kurt battles Azazel, and the X-Men, Carter, Mystique, Abyss, and Kiwi Black escape from Azazels dimension, with Polaris help. Given Xorn has not yet revealed is identity in UX 430 and Xavier is still walking there, this issue must occur before X 146; indeed, since Scott is still with the X-Men in UX 429, this issue must occur before X 139 (1-20). Mystique must appear here before MYS 1 (9-23). Green grass and trees in Vancouver and Westchester. 

Saturday, May 17 
X-TREME X-MEN #24 (22p3-23) 
One day. Cannonball calls Storm to Paris, where we see green trees. Storm wears the miniskirt we saw in XX 23. He accepts her offer to join the X-Treme team. 
X-STATIX #15 (3-11) 
One day, some years after XS 15-FB (1-2). As random sniper attacks claim lives throughout the country, Henrietta Hunter takes a break in the Caribbean after all the chat-shows and merchandising deals. X-Statix appear on the scene to kill her, but Lacuna makes the team think twice about that course of action. Green trees in Florida. 

Sunday, May 18 
X-STATIX #15 (12-18) 
Perhaps the day after XS 15 (3-11). X-Statix hope to rid themselves of Henrietta while on a mission in Afghanistan, but Phat ends up saving her life and El Guapo loses his legs. 

Monday, May 19 
X-STATIX #15 (19-20) 
Perhaps the day after XS 15 (12-18). The random shootings continue and Henrietta decides to stop the killing. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #435 (1-18) 
One day, three days after UX 434. Among the recent events Xavier mentions in this issue is a student uprising, so this story must occur after X 138 (1-6). Juggernaut is incarcerated at a high-tech Canadian facility and Jennifer Walters reviews his case as his attorney. As counsel confers with Xavier (sans wheelchair), Kurt, Warren, Bobby, and Paige, the Rhino (being subjected to some kind of experiment here sometime after his apprehension in PPSM2 50) attempts to bust out of the facility. In the melee that ensues, Cain is accidentally released from his bonds and battles and defeats Rhino, then he passes up an opportunity to flee and instead surrenders to a facility guard. Green grass and trees in Vancouver. 

Tuesday, May 20 
UNCANNY X-MEN #435 (19-20) 
Probably the day after UX 435 (1-18), judging by the fact that people from pages 1-18 are now wearing different clothes. Cains surrender and the situation with the Rhino result in a reduced sentence for Cain and his release from the Canadian facility. Cain and Jennifer become friendly. 
X-STATIX #15 (21-22) 
Perhaps the day after XS 15 (19-20). At a press conference, Henrietta announces that she will stop the random killings by accepting the position of Secretary of Homeland Defense. Green trees in Washington, DC. 

Wednesday, May 21 
UNCANNY X-MEN #435 (21-23) 
The morning after UX 435 (19-20). Cain and Jen are in bed after having spent the night together, presumably in Vancouver, where we see green grass and trees. A figure in Juggernaut gear appears outside their room. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #436 
The same day as UX 435 (21-23). Cain and Jen battle the ersatz Juggernaut, who turns out to be the animal-torturing boy from XU 44. Attorneys debate the fate of Juggernaut and when Sammy Pares mother testifies on Cains behalf, Juggernauts sentence is reduced and he is extradited. Given that A3 65 leads to Jens mass destruction of property in A3 73-75 and the fact that she holds that kind of destruction against Juggernaut in UX 435, this story probably occurs before A3 65. Because Xavier is without his wheelchair here, and because the list of things he relates as overwhelming in UX 435 does not include Magnetos destruction of the school, this story must occur before X 142. Green grass and trees in Vancouver. 

Thursday, May 22 
X-MEN UNLIMITED v2 #1 
One night. Sage breaks into the New York office of a former shareholder in the Hellfire Club to retrieve a dossier about her. Green trees in New York. Full moon. 
MYSTIQUE #1 (1-8) 
One night. It must be a weeknight, as Charles Xavier appears on Nightline. Jean is at Xaviers. We learn that Xavier has covert operatives in the world and that one has been killed on a mission. 

Friday, May 23 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #500 
The same day as ASM2 58. Led by Strange, Spidey battles his way through time to end up moments before the arrival of Dormammu and saves the day, helping the heroes drive the Mindless Ones back to their dimension. Reed is not disfigured, so this story should occur before FF3 68 (1p1). I have Cyclops here before his departure from the X-Men in X 138 (16-23) rather than during his separation from the team. It is Peters birthday (so this story should occur at the same time of year as S-M 21), and Strange gives him a present  five minutes to speak to Uncle Ben, whos been snatched out of time. We see a full moon, and M.J. mentions the moonlight specifically. 
MYSTIQUE #1 (9-23) 
The early morning after MYS 1 (1-8). At 2:54 AM, Xavier arrives at Forges apartment in Baltimore to ask him to find Mystique. From the dialogue, it appears that Xavier and Forge have been out of touch for quite a while; perhaps they had no opportunity to connect at the wedding in UX 425 (17-23); in any event, that likely places this story, through MYS 6 (16-22), before W/CA 1-FB. At 3:12 AM, Mystique is on a mission in Washington DC. She must appear here following the Draco storyline in UX 433. 
MYSTIQUE #2 
The same early morning as MYS 1 (9-23). It is a few months before MYS 11-FB. At 3:27 AM, Forge discovers the whereabouts of Mystique, who is captured by government agents at 3:29 AM. At 4:36 AM, the captive Mystique awakens in a DHS flying justice unit, where she faces Johnny Kitano, a mutant whose mission is to eliminate mutant threats to the government. Mystique is rescued by Xavier, who is disguised as Magneto. Full moon. 
MYSTIQUE #3 
The same day as MYS 2. Xavier and Forge send Mystique to Cuba on a clandestine mission to destroy two mutant-killing robots. Once there, she meets her handler, Shortpack. Green vegetation in New York. 
MYSTIQUE #4 
The same day as MYS 3. Mystique insinuates her way to Luis Disovil, the man who purchased the Sentinels and is conducting experiments on Cuban mutants. She assumes his identity, only to face a band of freedom fighters, led by Lazaro Rivera. 
MYSTIQUE #5 
The same night as MYS 4. Mystique sides with the freedom fighters and battles Disovils soldiers. She finds the kidnaped children, only to learn that she must kill Lazaros little sister Evangelina to stop the Sentinels. 
MYSTIQUE #6 (1-15) 
The same night as MYS 5. Lazaro kills Evangelina and kills himself. Mystique, the rebels, and the freed mutants evacuate Disovils base before the Sentinels destoy it. Mystique reports back to Shortpack. 

Saturday, May 24 
MYSTIQUE #6 (16-22) 
The morning after MYS 6 (1-15). Given Forges and Xaviers chronologies, this segment must occur before W/CA 1-FB. At 12:31 am, Mystique is asked to be a double agent by a man in a bar in Santiago de Cuba. Later that morning (the next morning), Mystique arrives at her safehouse in Brooklyn, where Xavier congratulates her on a job well done. Green vegetation in Brooklyn. 

Sunday, May 25 
WOLVERINE/CAPTAIN AMERICA #1  FB 
One day. Given that Xavier and Forge are together here, this story must occur after MYS 6 (16-22). Beast and Forge examine a mutant computer chip in the X-Mens communications systems and Forge takes the chip to the Avengers for further examination, but he is ambushed by the Contingency, which takes the chip. Green grass and trees in New York. 
WOLVERINE/CAPTAIN AMERICA #1 
The same day as W/CA 1-FB. Forge arrives at Avengers Embassy, where he tells his tale to Cap and Warbird. Xavier sends Wolverine after the stolen chip and Logan finds the Contingency in the sewers under Manhattan. Cap and Warbird arrive to find Logan shot up. 
WOLVERINE/CAPTAIN AMERICA #2 
The same day as W/CA 1. Cap, Warbird, and a powerless Wolverine battle the Contingency in Manhattans sewers, and Logan is left for dead, his healing power neutralized. 
WOLVERINE/CAPTAIN AMERICA #3 
The same day as W/CA 2. Warbird gets Logan to the SHIELD helicarrier for medical attention while Cap goes after the Contingency, who get away. SHIELD finds a way to restore Logans healing factor and save him from death. 
WOLVERINE/CAPTAIN AMERICA #4 (1-16) 
The same night as W/CA 3. Warbird has her classic costume here, so this story must occur before A3 65. The heroes locate the Contingency making a deal with AIM for the mutant chip. In the ensuing battle, Logan retrieves the chip and guts Rapture. Full moon. 

Monday, May 26: Memorial Day 
WOLVERINE/CAPTAIN AMERICA #4 (17-21) 
The morning after W/CA 4 (1-16). Given that the Xavier is standing and the Institute is intact and operating, this issue must occur before X 142. Logan reports back to Xavier, Forge, and Beast, and Cyclops, whose presence here is an indication that this segment occurs before X 138 (16-23). Rapture drops in on her incarcerated teammates, noting that her suits abilities are now fused to her nervous system. Cap confronts Sharon Carter about the Contingency program. 

Wednesday, May 28 
WEAPON X v2 #18  FB 
One day, several weeks before WX 18. Cyclops notes that Cable recently informed the X-Men that Neverland is a myth, following WX2 13. Logan tells the X-Men that its time to take down Weapon X and that the way to do it is to plant a mole in the organization. Among those gathered is Xavier, who is sitting, but not in a wheelchair. Chamber volunteers to be the mole. 
WEAPON X v2 #15 
Perhaps the same day as WX2 18-FB. Xaviers school is still standing and Cyclops is with the X-Men, so this story must occur before X 138 (16-23). Chambers act to get him noticed by Weapon X goes into effect: he causes trouble in a Manhattan bar and the X-Men (Cyclops, Archangel, Husk, Iceman, and Wolverine) try to talk him down, but when Jono lashes out at them, they subdue him and hand him over to the authorities. Hours later, Brent Jackson shows up in Chambers prison cell to offer him a place in Weapon X. We see green grass and trees and warm picnic weather at Xaviers, but we also see autumn leaves, which must be topical. 

Thursday, May 29 
NEW X-MEN #138 (10-14) 
A Thursday. Xorn helps Quentin Quire cast off his physical body and achieve another plane of existence; it is not known how long Quire may have spent at Xaviers in a catatonic state; it is presumed that this is the Thursday of the week following X 138 (7-9), but isnt necessarily so. Xavier notes that the school will be closing for the summer in exactly six days  this may be the date that all students who attend Xaviers during the regular academic year should be gone; as we see in NM2, the school does remain open for relatively few students in the summer. He also notes that after the break, he will step down as headmaster. Green grass and trees in Westchester. 

Friday, May 30 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #1 (10-25) 
One school day. Rejected on her sixteenth birthday by her father and her classmates, Sofia Mantega destroys one of her fathers supermarkets and is thrown in jail. Dani Moonstar shows up to take Sofia to Xaviers, which is publicly known as a school for mutants with bad publicity, a clue that this segment occurs after the riot in X 138 (1-6). It is clear that Dani does not live at Xaviers, but rather in Colorado. It is a Friday in May. We see green grass and trees in Boulder. 
NEW X-MEN #138 (15) 
The day after X 138 (10-14), a Friday. Emma Frost goes clothes shopping with Angel. According to X 140, this segment occurs a few days before X 139 (21-22). 
X-TREME X-MEN #25 
One day. It is probably a weekday during the college year. Given Kurts conversation with Logan in W3 6, it appears that W3 6 must occur before this issue. In freeing Stryker from incarceration, Deathstrike makes it appear that Stryker was killed in an airplane explosion by the X-Men. We see snow in the Rockies and green trees in Kentucky, where Cannonball has invited Storm, Bishop, Sage, and Wolverine (sans goatee, perhaps after X 141). The X-Men investigate the site of the plane crash. Kitty sees her school psychologist, and that night, she is abducted from the Belles of Hell by Deathstrike and Stryker. 
X-TREME X-MEN #26 
The same day as XX 25. The X-Treme team battle Strykers troops in the snowy Rockies and take captives as they try to figure out what Stryker is up to. Stryker tries to break Kittys will, but fails. Deathstrike is forced to try to kill Stryker by the man who runs Mount Haven, who views Stryker as a threat. Stryker escapes with Kitty in hand. 
X-TREME X-MEN #27 (1-13) 
The same night as XX 26. Shadowcat phases cross-country as the earth as it spins on its axis, causing Storm to lose control in the Rockies, creating a blizzard and undoing all the good work....accomplished these past months in physical therapy. Waning crescent moon. 

Saturday, May 31 
NEW X-MEN #138 (16-23) 
The day after X 138 (15), a Saturday. Given Scotts presence in WX 15 and W/CA 4 (17-21), those stories must occur before this segment. We see a prize-giving ceremony at Xaviers  this is a year-end ceremony that probably occurs between the end of the spring session and the beginning of the summer session shown in NM2 2. Angel informs Beak that shes pregnant with his child; this revelation so soon after their apparent first sexual encounter in X 136 (1-21) is an indication that Angels physiology is radically different from a normal humans; this is confirmed by Beaks statement in X 141 that there is a life cycle of, like, only five days between the sex and the birth, but this doesnt mean that Angels pregnancy lasts only that long  it cant be less than five days after X 136 (1-21), given the other temporal references in this run of issues. That night, Jean Grey returns to Xaviers with Dust, who she may have retrieved after Dust spent some time in India after X 133. Jean finds Scott and Emma in a compromising situation; this segment probably occurs after ASM 500. That Jean is fetching mutants for Xaviers may be a clue that this segment occurs before NM2 2, where Dani gets the job of recruiter. Green grass and trees in Westchester. 
NEW X-MEN #139 (1-20) 
The same night as X 138 (16-23). An angry Jean mucks around with Emmas mind and the X-Men grow concerned about Jeans Phoenix power. Cyclops takes off. The Stepford Cuckoos state that school is over for the summer, implying that, while the school itself is to close on the upcoming Wednesday, classes are already over. We see green grass and trees at Xaviers. 
X-TREME X-MEN #27 (14-23) 
The day after XX 27 (1-13). Kitty finds herself in Mt. Haven, where we see green grass and trees and warm weather. 
X-TREME X-MEN #28 
The same day as XX 27 (14-23). Stryker and Deathstrike defeat Kitty and the X-Treme team at Mt. Haven, where we see green trees and warm weather. Cannonball vows to save the day. 
X-TREME X-MEN #29 
The same day as XX 28. Cannonball fights Deathstrike after she seemingly kills Logan, then he faces a brainwashed Storm. Bishop faces a brainwashed Sage. Stryker shows Kitty the truth behind Mt. Haven, then strikes her and Reverend Paul down. Green grass and trees and warm weather in Washington state. 
X-TREME X-MEN #30 
The same day as XX 29. Logan recovers and many of Mt. Havens nannite-infested residents die when Paul is out of commission. Stryker and Kitty discover that Paul is a cybernetic sentient and Stryker sacrifices his freedom to keep Paul contained. That night in Chicago, the X-Men hang at the Belles of Hell and Kitty considers running for alderman in a municipal election this fall. Green grass and trees in Washington state. 

Sunday, June 1 
X-STATIX #16 (1-3) 
One day, long enough after XS 15 (12-18) for El Guapo to recover from the loss of his legs. As the random killings continue, Henrietta introduces new X-Statix costumes. Her photo is taken for the Time Magazine cover seen in XS 16 (4-7). 

Tuesday, June 3 
NEW X-MEN #139 (21-22) 
One night. According to X 140, this segment occurs a few days after X 138 (15). Beast finds Emmas diamond body smashed to pieces. This incident is noted as having occurred last month in X 142. 

Wednesday, June 4 
ALIAS #28 
The same day as ALIAS 27 (19-22). As Cage and Jessica officially become a couple after this issue, this story must occur before SECWAR 1 (1-3). Jessica faces Killgrave, who tells her that Scotts condition is imagined by her at his instigation. As Killgrave proceeds to order Manhattanites to kill one another, Jean Grey appears to Jessica in a psychic projection and tells her about the psychic defense trigger she planted in Jessicas mind. When the Avengers arrive on the scene and Killgrave orders Jessica to kill Cap, she activates the trigger and beats up Killgrave. As the defeated villain is carried away, Jessica breaks up with Scott, as she is three months pregnant with a child that could have been Scotts (thus its at least three months after ALIAS 14), but isnt. That night, the Bugle proclaims Jessica a hero, Cage confesses his feelings for Jessica, and she informs him that shes pregnant with his child. Warbird is with the Avengers and shes not in the new costume she adopted in A3 65, so this story must occur before A3 65. This means that the new costumes worn by Jack of Hearts and She-Hulk are seen here first, before A3 65. Jan wears the costume seen in A3 71. This also means that Subbys appearance with the Avengers here must occur after his departure from the team in A3 61; it is not known why he would have returned for this appearance. Jean notes that we have our hands full where my actual body is; this may be a reference to the aftermath of Emma Frosts murder in X 139 (21-22). Green grass and trees in New York. 
NEW X-MEN #140 (1-14) 
The day after X 139 (21-22). It is sometime after XX 23 (17-22). Summer vacation is cancelled until further notice, while Bishop and Sage are called in to investigate Emma Frosts murder; this implies that X 140-141 occur before NM2 2, in which some students are noted as having gone home for the summer. That summer vacation reference may be for the benefit of those students who havent yet left for the summer; I have summer classes actually having just started (in NM2 2) by this time. Late this day, the Stepford Cuckoos note that school ought to have closed for summer by now (at least for those who dont take summer classes), so it is likely that this is the day the school was scheduled to close, six days after X 138 (10-14). Scott is still absent and Nightcrawler is here. Green grass and trees at Xaviers. 
X-STATIX #16 (4-7) 
One day, long enough after XS 16 (1-3) for Time Magazine to publish Henriettas photo. Henrietta hopes to stumble upon the random killers. 

Thursday, June 5 
NEW X-MEN #140 (15-22) 
The day after X 140 (1-14). Bishop and Sage continue their investigation, and Angels brood of larvae are discovered. 
NEW X-MEN #141 
The same day as X 140 (15-22). Angels brood hatches. The X-Men discover that Angel and Beak were set up to take the fall for Emmas murder by Esme and a partner whose identity remains unknown, as Esme mind-wipes Bishop and Sage to escape. Phoenix fuses Emmas diamond pieces back together, allowing Emmas disembodied spirit to return to her body. The missing Scott is now the prime suspect. Although not shown, presumably the lockdown at Xaviers is lifted at this point, and Xavier may relieve Bishop and Sage of their services. Green grass and trees at Xaviers. Esme makes another reference to summer. 
X-STATIX #16 (8-9) 
One day. Henrietta tries to get the dead to help her find the random killers, but Dead Girl blocks her attempt. 

Friday, June 6 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #2 
One day shortly after NM2 1 (10-25)  at least long enough for a train ride from Colorado to New York; it is unlikely that NM2 1 (10-25) occurred yesterday, as noted in this issue, and I would be inclined to put a week between issues #1 and #2. NM2 2-FB is noted as having occurred last year, although this may be a reference to last school year. Dani and Sofia arrive at Xaviers, where they meet Professor X, who notes that it is the start of the summer session and that some students have gone home for the summer. This is an indication that this issue occurs after the prize-giving ceremony in X 138 (16-23) and quite likely after the postponement of summer vacation during the investigation of Emmas murder in X 141. The fact that some students remain for classes appears to contradict the statement in X 138 (10-14) that the school would close for the summer. Xavier is still here, apparently before the time he planned to leave the school, as noted in X 138 (10-14). Dani is no longer a teenager, but it wasnt long ago that she was. Dani arranges for Sofia to room with Laurie Collins and agrees to be Xaviers recruiter  presumably after Jeans assumption of that role through X 138 (16-23). Northstar appears here. Green grass and trees and jacket weather at Xaviers. 
X-STATIX #16 (10-14) 
One day. The random killings have been going on for a few weeks, and Henrietta is held accountable for the lack of progress in apprehending the killers. Lacuna makes a pass at Guy and is rebuffed, then she receives documents that would destroy Spike Freemans reputation. 

Saturday, June 7 
X-STATIX #16 (15-22) 
One day. Lacuna tells Guy about the documents she received and how they would implicate not only Spike, but Edie as well. Guy confronts Spike about it and ends up killing him. Guy catches up to Lacuna, who gets shot by a sniper working for Mister Code. Green grass and trees in Washington, DC and California, where it is warm enough for outdoor swimming. 
X-STATIX #17 (1-9) 
The same day as XS 16 (15-22). Because Henrietta is Secretary of Homeland Defense, it is likely that this story occurs before IM3 73, the storyline that leads to Tony Starks bid for Secretary of Defense. Orphan catches the sniper, who kills himself. X-Statix ports to the law offices where they try to steal incriminating documents linking them to illegal arms and drug trades and other crimes. 

Sunday, June 8 
X-STATIX #17 (10-22) 
Probably the day after XS 17 (1-9). The X-Statix scandal breaks and the team decides to go after Mister Code to redeem themselves. With help from the dead Spike Freeman, the team locates Code and defeats him. A boy wishes for a scooter for Christmas in his prayers, but this doesnt necessarily mean that the holiday is approaching. 
X-STATIX #18 (1-4) 
The same day as XS 17 (10-22). Codes body explodes, killing Henrietta and Phat. Henriettas record company decides to exploit her death by releasing a new CD called Back from the Dead. 

Monday, June 9 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #3 (1-19) 
One day. While Magma lays in a coma (where shes been since just after UX 423), Dani recruits a mutant with decaying power in Atlanta, where we see green grass and trees. School is in session, both at Xaviers (where Beast is teaching as part of summer session) and at a public high school (its not summer vacation yet, and it cant be a holiday), where student Kevin Ford hasnt reported for the last two days. There is a reference to finals at the high school, and Dani claims to represent a summer program. We see short sleeves at Xaviers. 

Tuesday, June 10 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #3 (20-22) 
The day after NM2 3 (1-19). Kevin Ford is examined at Xaviers and Xavier reveals the comatose Magma to Dani, who is wearing the same clothes she wore the previous day  an indication that this scene may occur in the wee hours of the morning after NM2 3 (1-19), technically the next day. 

Thursday, June 12 
X-STATIX #18 (5-21) 
One day. It must be several days after XS 19 (1-4). Phat is buried. The deceased Henrietta fatally curses all those who start to sing her newly released song, and one of the victims is El Guapo. The team helps Henrietta get her revenge on those responsible for her first death so she can rest in peace and lift the curse. Green grass and trees. 

Friday, June 13 
HULK/WOLVERINE: SIX HOURS #1 
One day. On board a plane to Canada, fugitive Bruce Banner encounters a boy named Kyle who has been poisoned by a snake, and the prospect of turning the plane around for medical help forces the hand of drug dealers Sid and Whitie. Their actions lead to Banners change into the Hulk, who sends the plane plummeting. Banner has a full head of hair and is a fugitive, so this story must occur sometime after H3 54. Green grass and trees and coat weather in Canada. Since Kyle is on his way to a summer camp, it is likely June. 
HULK/WOLVERINE: SIX HOURS #2 
The same day as HW:SH 1. After the plane crash, Banner encounters Logan and they team up to save Kyle. A crime boss sends Shredder after Sid and Whitie, who have taken Kyle and pilot Margie White hostage in an attempt to find the buyer for their drugs. Green grass and trees in Canada. 
HULK/WOLVERINE: SIX HOURS #3 
The same day as HW:SH 2. It is two years after H/W:SH 3-FB. Whitie dies in a vehicle crash. Skinner kills Sid and comes close to killing Margie and Kyle when Logan and Banner arrive on the scene. It is a time of year in which sunset arrives before 6:15 PM, but that conflicts with the summer camp reference in HW:SH 1. Green grass and trees in Canada. 
HULK/WOLVERINE: SIX HOURS #4 
The same day as HW:SH 3. Publication order would place this issue before W/CA 1. Shredder is killed and Logan and Banner save Kyle with a coral snake and a transfusion from the Hulk. 

Saturday, June 14 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #4 (2-11) 
One day. Xavier sends Dani (in a change of clothing from NM2 3) to Chicago to recruit David Alleyne, who turns out to be an acquaintance of Karma. Shan graduates from the University of Chicago, where we see light clothing and a commencement ceremony. Xavier checks up on Magma, who is still in a coma. Kevin Ford is given a clean bill of health; it may be quite a while after his arrival at Xaviers, given the comment, Its about time we got you into class. Green grass and trees and light clothing at Xaviers. Shan notes that summer session starts Monday. 

Monday, June 16 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #4 (12-24) 
The Monday after NM2 4 (2-11). It is the first day of class during summer session at the University of Chicago. David is outed as a mutant and decides to accompany Dani back to Xaviers. Shan and her siblings decide to join them. Green grass and trees in Chicago. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #5 (1-4) 
Probably the same night as NM2 4 (12-24). Donald Pierce has a meeting of the Reavers, now a group of mutant-hating humans. Among their recruits is Josh Foley. Sofias father is in New York on business and wants no contact with his daughter. 

Tuesday, June 17 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #5 (5-24) 
The day after NM2 5 (1-4). Logan instructs a class in self-defense at the Institute, while Xavier offers Shan a job there. Shan suggests that her siblings get the summer off before returning to school and Xavier notes that things are fairly quiet during the summer. Dani and Shan take Sofia, Laurie, Kevin, and David into Manhattan and the four kids are lured into an ambush by the Reavers, with Laurie getting critically wounded. Green grass and trees at Xaviers. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #6 
The same day as NM2 5 (5-24). Josh uses his healing power to save Laurie and Shan arrives and chases off the Reavers. Kevin uses his death touch on Pierce and Dani stops him from killing the cyborg by using her illusion power. Pierce is taken into custody and the kids return to Xaviers, where we see green grass and trees. Josh returns home, but is spurned by friends and family as a mutant and, with nowhere else to go, arrives at Xaviers. Frightened by his actions, Kevin leaves Xaviers and Dani decides to quit, branding herself a failure as a teacher. But Shan, Xavier, and the remaining kids convince her to stay. Since Xavier is walking here, this segment must occur before X 146 and thus probably before X 142. 
X-TREME X-MEN #31 (1-2) 
One night. In Los Angeles, Cutter, Porous, Dervish and company cause a car accident in which a girl named Marie is seriously injured. Mention is made of the state championship for cheerleading. 

Wednesday, June 18 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #7  FB 
One school day at Xaviers, sometime between NM2 6 and NM2 7 (1-15). Josh Foley attends classes taught by Warren Worthington, Dani Moonstar, and Shan Coy Manh. Xaviers school is whole and functioning, so this story must occur before X 142, the beginning of the story that leads to the destruction of the school. 

Thursday, June 19 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #7 (1-15) 
One school day at Xaviers, where we see green grass and autumn leaves (which must be topical). This segment occurs some days before XX 34 and during the week before NM2 8 (1-5). Josh Foley writes home about his life at Xaviers (he mentions classes with Hank McCoy, Emma Frost, and Tom Corsi). He notes that he hasnt written since coming to Xaviers (implying a while has passed) and that he saved Lauries life this summer, more clues that some time has passed since NM2 6, but given Xaviers chronology, this story is more likely to occur very shortly after NM2 6. Josh uses his healing power to jump-start Magmas brain, lifting her out of her coma. Unfortunately, when she awakens she blasts a big hole in the school and runs away. 
X-TREME X-MEN #31 (3-22) 
Probably the day after XX 31 (1-2). A Genoshan survivor slays a group of black marketeers in east Africa, and Marie recovers in a Los Angeles hospital. Val Cooper gives a presentation on the mutant threat at the presidential ranch in Texas, where Storm and Remy are undercover and we see green grass and trees and a barbecue; it is unclear whether the president appears here before or after X 150 (1-31). On assignment for the L.A. Division of X-Corp, Bishop and Sage deal with a dangerous mutant, then the duo check in on Rogue and the new life shes adopted in L.A., where we see green grass and trees as well. That night, they go to a club and meet up with Sam, Lila Cheney, and an anti-mutant terrorist with a bomb. 
X-TREME X-MEN #32 (1-17) 
The same night as XX 31 (3-22). This segment is referred to as having occurred the other night in XX 33 (5-13). Sam removes the terrorist from the club, then takes off with Lila. Rogue apprehends the terrorist, Marie Dancanto. Storm and Remy blow their cover at the presidential ranch. Green grass and trees in L.A and Texas. Full moon. 
X-TREME X-MEN #33 (14-16) 
The same night as XX 32 (1-17). At the presidential compound, Storm outlines her plan for diffusing the growing rift between human and mutant. As it picks up right from the scene in Texas in XX 32, this scene must occur out of sequence from the rest of this issue because more time passes in the Marie Dancanto storyline. From the conversation, it appears obvious that this segment occurs before X 142, the storyline that leads to Magnetos victory. Green trees and warm weather in Texas. Full moon. 

Friday, June 20 
X-TREME X-MEN #32 (18-23) 
The morning after XX 32 (1-17). Marie Dancanto tells Rogue her story of hatred for mutants. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #7 (16-18) 
The day after NM2 7 (1-15). It is two weeks before NM2 7 (19-22). With Jean and Northstar present, Xavier gives Josh detention for his reckless act of the day before. We see green grass and the last of autumn leaves falling from bare trees at Xaviers (which must be topical). 

Saturday, June 21: Summer Solstice 
X-TREME X-MEN #33 (1, 3-4) 
Perhaps the day after XX 32 (18-23)  enough time has to have passed for groups of people to organize support of and opposition to Marie Dancanto, who appears in court to plead not guilty to her attempted suicide bombing in XX 32 (1-17). 
UNCANNY X-MEN #437 
One summah day. The Xavier Institute is not destroyed, so this story must occur before X 142. Tired of being pushed around by Abe Cabot, Jeb Guthrie provokes Cabot into a fight in which Guthrie can let loose with his new powers in self defense. Sheriff Pete shoots Guthrie when he refuses to stand down. Paige is called, and she and Warren head to Cumberland, KY to be with her family. Meanwhile, musician Josh Guthrie performs at a local restaurant where he enchants waitress Julia Cabot. School is out and we see green grass and trees in Kentucky and Westchester. We see the bottom portion of what appears to be a full moon. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #438 
The same night as UX 437. As Josh and Julia rekindle their feelings for each other, the Guthrie/Cabot feud escalates into an armed altercation at the Guthrie farm. Later, as the Cabots plan to kill the Guthries with accomplice Sheriff Pete, the X-Men (Archangel, Husk, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine) arrive at the Guthrie farm. Green grass and trees in Kentucky. Full moon. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #439 
The same night as UX 438. It is eight years after UX 439-FB. Julia Cabot (and presumably Josh Guthrie) is eighteen. Julia and Josh rendezvous as Chester Cabot plans to use some abandoned armor to kill the Guthries. Warren apologizes to Logan for his past animosity. Green grass and trees in Kentucky. Full moon. 

Sunday, June 22 
UNCANNY X-MEN #440 
The morning after UX 439. Warren explains the reason for his behavior toward Paige and after he apologizes, they profess their love for each other. The armored Chester Cabot catches Josh with Julia and blasts Josh. A jealous Sheriff Pete threatens Lucinda Guthrie and Kurt takes him down. Paige is nineteen. Green grass and trees in Kentucky. 
UNCANNY X-MEN #441 
The same day as UX 440. 
X-TREME X-MEN #33 (5-13) 
Perhaps the day after XX 33 (3-4). XX 32 (1-17) is referred to as having occurred the other night. Rogue has a nightmare early this morning, then the X-Corp lawyer shows up to try to talk Rogue and Sam (who has returned with Lila), who he believes to be baseline human, into selling Rogues home. Lila ports Bishop to New York. 
X-TREME X-MEN #33 (17-23) 
The same night as XX 33 (5-13). Rogue and Sam attack Cutter, Porous, Dervish and company at their beach hangout while Sage arrives at X-Corp Los Angeles, which she discovers is the employer of the lawyer. Full moon. 

Monday, June 23 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #8 (1-5) 
One day, during the week after NM2 7 (1-15)  that places this segment before NM2 7 (19-22). We see bare trees and green grass at Xaviers, where the Institute is preparing for Parents Week, apparently for parents of the summer session students. 
X-TREME X-MEN #34 
Probably the day after XX 33 (17-23). It is some days after NM2 7 (1-15). Magma arrives in L.A. and she and Sam visit Roberto at X-Corp. The charges against Cutter, Porous, Dervish, and company are dismissed in court, an indication that its a weekday. That night, Rogue fights Revenant and Manacle and tails them back to X-Corp, where she confronts Roberto. Green trees in southern California. Full moon. 
X-TREME X-MEN #35 (1-22) 
The same night as XX 34. Roberto uses X-Corp employees Skitz and Stringfellow to keep Rogue and Sam occupied while he and Amara investigate X-Corps link to the shady deals in Valle Soleada. Elias Bogan, who is calling the shots behind the scenes, sends Cutter, Porous and Dervish against Rogue and Sam, but they are defeated. Vazhin informs Storm that the government has provisionally accepted her proposal to form the XSE strike force, but first she and Remy must infiltrate a mutant gladiator arena run by Tullemore Voge in Tokyo. Green grass and trees in California and Texas. Full moon. 

Tuesday, June 24 
X-TREME X-MEN #35 (23) 
One day, shortly after XX 35 (1-22). Roberto holds a press conference, Marie apologizes to Rogue, and Sage and Bishop look into Elias Bogan. 
X-TREME X-MEN #36  FB (2-6) 
The same evening as XX 35 (23). It is several days before XX 36. Ororo and Remy return to California and reunite with the rest of the X-Treme team, and Storm informs them they are now XSE  mutant police. She also informs the team shes going solo to infiltrate Voges Tokyo arena. Green trees and warm weather in southern California. 

Wednesday, June 25 
X-TREME X-MEN #36  FB (7-36) 
One night shortly after XX 36-FB (2-6). Storm meets up with Yukio in Tokyo and they infiltrate Voges mutant gladiator arena, where they meet Masato Koga, who knows their identities. Koga tricks Storm into entering the arena battle between Silkworm and Musclehead, only to become the exalted champ. Full moon. 
X-TREME X-MEN #37  FB (2-15) 
The same night as XX 36-FB (7-36). After tasting victory in the arena, Storm snatches Yukio and flees back to Yukios apartment, where they talk about the state of affairs between humans and mutants. 

Thursday, June 26 
X-TREME X-MEN #37  FB (16-36) 
The day after XX 37-FB (2-15). Strong Guy shows up at Yukios apartment and tries to dissuade Storm from joining the Fellowship of the Arena, in which he has been involved since X-Factor broke up. Storm does not heed his advice and joins the Fellowship, only to face Callisto. 
X-TREME X-MEN #38  FB (2-28) 
The same day as XX 37-FB (16-36). After Storm fights Callisto, it is revealed that Masque runs the show at the Arena and that she has broken Callistos will, just as she intends to do with Storm. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #8 (6-9) 
One day during Parents Week at Xaviers. Given the presence of the Parents Week sign, up since NM2 8 (1-5), this segment probably occurs before NM2 7 (19-22). A standing Xavier greets parents. Bare trees, green shrubs and green grass at Xaviers. 

Friday, June 27 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #8 (10-24) 
The day after NM2 8 (6-9). It is a few days before NM2 9. Sofia gets into another argument with her visiting father. Julian Keller switches advisors from Northstar to Emma Frost. David decides to stay at Xaviers. Autumn trees (the leaves have apparently risen back onto the trees) and green grass. 
X-TREME X-MEN #38  FB (29-36) 
Probably the day after XX 38-FB (2-28). In the Arena, Storm fights Paradise, disguised as Yukio, but Ororo refuses to kill her. 

Saturday, June 28 
X-TREME X-MEN #39  FB (2-18) 
Probably the night of the day after XX 38-FB (29-36). Storm and Callisto battle four challengers in the GWAs London arena, then Tullamore Voge arranges to buy Storm from Masque. Yukio and Guido talk Koga into staging a rebellion. Full moon. 

Sunday, June 29 
X-TREME X-MEN #39  FB (23-24p1) 
Probably the day after XX 39-FB (2-18). Storm and Callisto fight challengers in the GWAs Hong Kong arena. 

Monday, June 30 
X-TREME X-MEN #39  FB (24p2-24p3) 
Probably the day after XX 39-FB (23-24). Storm and Callisto fight challengers in the GWAs Rio de Janiero arena. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #7 (19-22) 
One day, two weeks after NM2 7 (16-18), and so after NM2 8 (1-5). The Parents Week sign is not up, so this segment probably occurs after NM2 8 (10-24). Joshs parents arrive at Xaviers, but instead of retrieving him, they name the school his guardian and leave without him. Xavier is still standing. Trees are now bare, with the last leaves falling from them, but the grass at Xaviers is still green. 

Tuesday, July 1 
X-TREME X-MEN #39  FB (24p4-25p2) 
Probably the day after XX 39-FB (24). Storm and Callisto fight challengers in the GWAs Riyadh arena. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #9 
One day, a few days after NM2 8 (10-24). It is a school day at Xaviers during what must be the summer semester, and tomorrow is referred to as a school day as well. After stopping Avalanche in Manhattan, a de-powered Rahne Sinclair arrives at Xaviers, and she gathers Sofia, Laurie, David, and Josh to investigate a mutant girl named Surge, whose powers are out of control. Havok and Nightcrawler cameo. Someone wonders where the Avengers are. Green grass, bare trees, and long-sleeve shirts (but no jackets) in Westchester. 
NEW MUTANTS v2 #10 
The same night as NM2 9. 
MYSTIQUE #7 (1-10) 
One night. Mystique and Shortpack steal information from the palace of North Koreas Kim Jong Il. Full moon. 

Wednesday, July 2 
MYSTIQUE #7 (11-21) 
The morning after MYS 7 (1-10). At Mystiques Brooklyn safehouse, Xavier tells her that the North Koreans were planning to steal bigpox from Harrison Taylor, a scientist in South Africa, her next destination. On her way out at JFK Airport, Mystique again encounters Shepard, the man she met at the Cuban bar, who offers her another chance to be a double agent; she refuses and the man reports to his boss, the Quiet Man. Xavier is standing in this segment (even though its a telepathic projection, Mystique had to ask if he were real), so this story must occur before X 146 (and thus before X 142); it is likely before Xavier announces his intention to step down as headmaster in X 138 (10-14). Green grass and trees in Westchester. 
X-TREME X-MEN #36 (1) 
X-TREME X-MEN #37 (1) 
X-TREME X-MEN #38 (1) 
X-TREME X-MEN #39 (1) 
Probably the day after XX 39-FB (24-25). It is several days after XX 36-FB (2-6). A gladiator star, Storm enters the GWAs Las Vegas arena for a contest. 
X-TREME X-MEN #39 (25p3-39) 
The same day as XX 39 (1). With help from Yukio, Guido, and Koga, Storm and Callisto rebel against Masque and defeat her in Las Vegas. Storm and company celebrate their victory over Masque. Storm decides to leave the Arena life, but not before setting the arenas up as safe havens for mutants. 
MYSTIQUE #8 
The same night as MYS 7 (11-21). As the Quiet Man and Shepard track her, Mystique arrives in Johannesburg at 10:14 PM SAST. After reconnoitering with Shortpack, she infiltrates Taylors compound, only to discover him dead. She battles the killer, the Host, who infects Mystique with a biological agent and takes off with Taylors bigpox. Green grass and trees in South Africa. 
NEW X-MEN #142 
One night. The narration notes Emmas murder in X 139 (21-22) as having occurred last month. As this issue leads to Xaviers crippling in X 146, it must occur after MYS 7 (11-21), UX 436, NM2 7, XU21/2, and W/CA 4 (17-21). As this issue leads to the death of Jean Grey in X 150, it must occur after ALIAS 28. Wolverine (sans goatee, and probably wearing the new outfit with yellow stripes under his jacket) happens to find Scott at the Hellfire Club trying to get drunk. He tells Scott the right after he left [actually it was a few days after, as noted in X 139 (21-22)], Emma was shot, and that Scotts the prime suspect. Sabretooth is also at the club, and it appears that hes on his own reconnaissance  he may be here after WX2 12. Logan is at the Hellfire Club to meet with Fantomex to begin a mission to take down the Weapon Plus program, and he tries to get Cyclops to join them. 

Thursday, July 3 
MYSTIQUE #9 
The early morning after MYS 8 (starting 1:46 AM, Johannesburg time). Mystique staggers back to the hotel and partially recovers while Shortpack tracks the Host with a tracer Mystique put on her. Mystique pursues the Host and considers her beaten when the Host is hit by a car, but Host recovers and makes it back to Mystiques hotel before she does. When Raven arrives, the Host threatens to kill Shortpack. 
MYSTIQUE #10 (1-18) 
The same early morning as MYS 9. Mystique saves Shortpack and defeats the Host. She meets up with Shepard, who reports back to the Quiet Man. Full moon. 
NEW X-MEN #143 
Probably the early morning after X 142; since Scott is expected to have a hangover, it is likely several hours after X 142, but it is still dark out. Logan, Scott, and Fantomex infiltrate the evolutionary engineering facility, the World. There they encounter AIM agents who have been attacked by Weapon XV. 
NEW X-MEN #144 
The same early morning as X 143. Inside the World, Logan, Scott, and Fantomex encounter Weapon XV, who breaks free and heads for the Weapon Plus space station. Full moon. 
NEW X-MEN #145 
The same day as X 144. It is mere days before X 148 (6-22). Logan, Scott, and Fantomex follow Weapon XV to the Weapon Plus space station, where Logan accesses files concerning his identity, then, desperate and disturbed, he blows up the station. 
NEW X-MEN #146 
The same day as X 145. It is days before X 149 and three days before X 150 (1-31). Having escaped the satellite in a spacecraft, Scott and Fantomex crash into the Pacific Ocean. Beast and Emma head out to retrieve them, but their aircraft is sabotaged. Phoenix departs for space to retrieve Logan, who she finds alive. Jean and Wolverine discover that the Weapon Plus space program is Asteroid M, which also is rigged to explode. Xavier formally meets Dust, so this issue cant occur long after UX 138 (16-23). Dust attacks and disables Cerebra at the order of Xorn, who cripples Xavier and reveals himself to be Magneto. Xavier states that he still hopes to step down this summer as headmaster of the Institute. He may be here to deal with the drama over at the school that Forge mentions in MYS 10. Green grass and trees at Xaviers. 
NEW X-MEN #147  FB (20-21) 
The same day as X 146. After taking Xavier prisoner, Magneto destroys the Xavier Institute. 
X-TREME X-MEN #40 
The same day as X 147-FB (20-21). It must be more than just a few weeks after UX 425 (17-23). Marie is now working for Vange. Sage notes that the Xavier Institute is totally off-line and we see the school destroyed; the X-Treme team dont know the reason so Magneto has not yet gone public with his Manhattan conquest.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2004 04:26 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

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Wherever you see a smiley face emoticon with sunglasses ( 8) ), substitute the number 8 and a closed parenthesis. Argh. 
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Paul, you can stop that from happening by clicking off the "disable smileys" box when you post. I went ahead and edited your post to fix that. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 28 Feb 2004 04:36 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Let's see here -- from a quick read-through, I see the following: 

First off, Weapon X #18-FB (and therefore #15) need to be placed after X #150, as in the FB Logan mentions his recent infiltration of the Weapon Plus satellite (#142-145, which lead right into #146-150). That means that the sitting Xavier must be crippled. 

Also, I'm not sure why you think it's "unlikely" that NM2 #2 occurs the day after #1. I don't see any real evidence that it shouldn't -- and I'd be inclined to keep them next to each other. 

And finally: 

>UNCANNY X-MEN #437 
>One summah day. 

That's funny. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 29 Feb 2004 08:52 am    Post subject: New adjustments
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

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First off, Weapon X #18-FB (and therefore #15) need to be placed after X #150, as in the FB Logan mentions his recent infiltration of the Weapon Plus satellite (#142-145, which lead right into #146-150). That means that the sitting Xavier must be crippled.  
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You know, I caught that reference by Logan on my first "recreational" read of WX 18, but missed it when I went back over the issue to write a calendar entry. WX 18-FB would have to occur quite some time after X 150 (1-31), given that the rebuilding of the mansion would be a higher priority than chasing down Weapon X. Besides, at least part of the mansion is rebuilt enough in WX 18-FB for the team to meet inside it. I'm moving WX 18-FB to late September (making warm weather and autumn leaves possible). Then, WX 18 would occur "several weeks" later, in October. (At least for now...) 


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Also, I'm not sure why you think it's "unlikely" that NM2 #2 occurs the day after #1. I don't see any real evidence that it shouldn't -- and I'd be inclined to keep them next to each other.  
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When I first read NM2 2, I thought that Dani and Sofia rode the train all the way from Colorado to New York. Now that I re-read it, I see them as having flown from Colorado to NYC, then taking a commuter train up to Westchester. That would make Sofia's statement that she was arrested "yesterday" accurate. It's still best to place NM2 2 after the lifting of the suspension of summer break following X 141. If NM2 1 occurs on a "Friday" in "May," then I've got some shifting to do. 

Thanks for the feedback, Jeph.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2004 09:10 am    Post subject: W2 141
By Dhall

Is there some reason why w2 141 is listed between Gen X 57 and 58? That puts it right in the middle of a Gen X storyline. 

In 57 Emplate attacks, Proudstar hall is blown up, and Penance is on th eloose. IN 58, it's the very next morning, Pennace is on the loose, and Alpha Flight shows up. 
There is no time in between these issues for W2 141 to happen. 

It would make more sense, storyline wise to put this issue between Gen X 56 and 57, where nothing in particular is going on, and there is plenty of time available. 

This would require moving W2 141 in Skrull Wolverine, Jubilee, M, Synch, Husk. Chamber, Skin, White Queen, and Banshee's listings. 

David Hall

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Thread 21

Posted: 29 Feb 2004 09:37 am    Post subject: ERNESTO GAMBONNO...GEIRRODUR...GLADIATRIX
By Arthur [DIRECTOR]

new entries marked ** 


GAMBONNO, ERNESTO 


PM 24 
**PM 25 
HTD 27 

. . .similarly 

. . .GAMBONNO, LUIGI 
. . . PM 24 
. . .**PM 25 
. . .HTD 27 


GEIRRODUR 

**T@ 14/4 
T:GS 2 (typo the KEY lists THOR:GODSTORM as T:G ) 
JIM 101 

. . .Additionally re T@ 14/4 

. . .THOR/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON II"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON" 
. . .T 145/2 
. . .**T@ 14/4 
. . .T@ 18-FB 
. . .BIZADV 32-FB 
. . .T 323 

. . .FANDRAL [ASGARDIAN] 
. . .T 145/2 
. . .**T@ 14/4 
. . .T 323 

. . .HOGUN [ASGARDIAN] 
. . .T 145/2 
. . .T 404/2 
. . .T 405/2 
. . .T 406/2 
. . .T@ 14/2 should read T@ 14/4 
. . .T 401 
. . .T 323 

. . .VOLSTAGG 
. . .T 406/2 
. . .T@ 14/3 (was in previous post #141, Dec 15, 2003) should be T@ 14/4) 
. . .T 401 
. . .T 323 


. . .ODIN [ASGARDIAN] 
. . .T 400/4 
. . .**T@ 14/4 
. . .T 323 

. . .SIGYN 
. . .T@ 14/3 **** should read T@ 14/4 
. . .T 483-FB 

. . .SIF 
. . .JIM 102/2 
. . .T@ 14/3 **** should read T@ 14/4 
. . .JIM 1 

. . .GUDRUN [ASGARDIAN] 
. . .**T@ 14/4 
. . .T@ 17/3 
. . .T 454 

. . .FRIGGA 
. . .**T@ 14/4 This gave me a lot of concern as Friggas hair is the style of T 350 onwards (long, white, no tiara). I chalked it up to artist error, lacking awareness that Friggas hair was darker when younger. 
. . .T:G 1 
. . .T 311/2 
. . .T 479-FB 
. . .JIM 92 


GLADIATRIX 

**TG 33 (unnamed4p4, 5p1, 10p2, 12p3) 
CA 352 


Note to newcomers. Just to explain what my postings areas an avid Marvelist I had my own version of this Marvel Chronology Project (MCP). I am now comparing the two, and for all character entries in the MCP, I am checking if I have any appearances that may have been overlooked. Validating them. Chronologizing them. Posting them (so others have an opportunity to refute or comment). The aim... to help in the completeness of this magnificent piece of information engineering! 



#160

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Posted: 29 Feb 2004 03:51 pm    Post subject: Asgardian chronology; Thunderstrike#18/2 features Fandral as
By Scathach80

FANDRAL [ASGARDIAN] 
. . .T 145/2 
. . .**T@ 14/4 
. . .T 323 

. . .HOGUN [ASGARDIAN] 
. . .T 145/2 
. . .T 404/2 
. . .T 405/2 
. . .T 406/2 
. . .T@ 14/2 should read T@ 14/4 
. . .T 401 
. . .T 323 

. . .VOLSTAGG 
. . .T 406/2 
. . .T@ 14/3 (was in previous post #141, Dec 15, 2003) should be T@ 14/4) 
. . .T 401 
. . .T 323 


The funny thing is, as I discussed before in a long, complicated, annoying post a while ago, that Thor I#404-406 story, based on established continuity, would have to take place either shortly after 20,000 BCE or (really forcing things) 9,500 to 8,000 BCE to fit in with the Great Cataclysm or the end of the Hyborian Age. 

I think that the chronology for Fandral would have to be moved around a bit, because as I understand it, that Thunderstrike#18/2 story revealed that Fandral was Robin Hood! I would have to say that Robin Hood lived thousands of years after Atlantis sank.

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Thread 22

Posted: 29 Feb 2004 03:45 pm    Post subject: Sersi in Strange Tales#109/1; she appears in classical times
By Scathach80

The Official Handbook has an entry for Sersi which lists Strange Tales I#109/1 as her first appearance. Appearing in the guise of Circe, Sersi entraps the monsters in Pandora's box in a flasback. This would fit here. 

There are also a couple of flashbacks in Eternals I#4 that I will try to nail down later, one involving Ulysses, the other Sersi's odd meeting with Merlin. 

SERSI/"SYLVIA" 
CA@ 11 
ST 109/1 
E 3 
E 4 
E 5 
E 6 
E 8 
E 11 
E 12 
E 14 
E 15 
E 16 
E 17 
E 18 
T@ 7 
T 284 
T 285 
T 286 
T 287 
T 288 
T 289 
T 291 
T 292 
T 300-BTS 
T 301 
COC 1 
COC 2-BTS 
COC 3-BTS 
IM@ 6 
IM 179 
E2 2-FB 
A 246 
A 247 
A 248 
E2 1 
E2 3 
E2 4 
E2 5 
E2 6 
E2 7 
E2 8 
E2 9 
E2 10 
E2 11 
E2 12 
SS@ 1 
CA 355 
CA 357 
A 308 
A 309 
A 310 
AWC 56/2 
A@ 18 
AWC@ 4 
T@ 14 
FF@ 22 
A 314 
A 315 
A 316 
A 317 
A 318 
A 319 
A 320 
A 321 
A 322 
A 323 
A 324 
A 325 
A@ 19 
A@ 19/4 
A@ 19/5 
PPTSS 168 
PPTSS 169 
PPTSS 170 
T 420 
T 421 
N 12-FB 
N@ 1/3 
A 326 
A 327 
A 328 
CA 383 
A 329 
A 330 
A 331 
AWC 69-BTS 
ASPOT 40 
ASM 348 
XF 66 
AF 98 
AF 99 
AF 100 
AF 101 
Q 25 
IG 1 
IG 2-BTS 
IG 6 
CA 394 
A 332 
A 333 
A@ 20 
H@ 17/2-BTS 
AWC@ 6 
A 334 
A 335 
A 336 
A 337 
A 338 
A 339 
E:HEROD 
T 437 
CA 395-BTS 
CA 396/2 
CA 397/2 
A 344 
A 345 
IM 278 
CA 399 
A 346 
IM 279 
CA 400 
WM2 9 
A 347 
CA 401 
A 350/2 
IW 1 
AF 110 
T@ 17-FB 
FF@ 25 
A@ 21 
A 350 
A 351 
A 352 
A 353 
A 354 
A 355 
A 356 
A 357 
CA 411-BTS 
A 358 
A 359 
A 360 
A 361 
A 362 
A 363 
A 364/2 
A 365 
A 366 
H2 403 
H2 404 
NW 33 
NW 34 
NW@ 3 
ASMU 2 
IC 1 
FF 378 
A@ 22 
A 368 
AWC 101 
A 369 
AWC 102 
A 370-FB 
A 370 
A 371 
Q 58 
A 372 
A 373-FB 
A 373 
A 374 
A 375 
A 380-BTS 
BK:E 
HFH 5-FB 
HFH 4 
HFH 5 
HFH 6 
HFH 7 
A3 1 
A3 2 
A3 3 
A3 4 
NEW ETERNALS

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Posted: 29 Feb 2004 04:34 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Did you really have to copy-paste Sersi's ENTIRE chronology here? 

Generally, when making addition suggestions, it's a good idea to just list the chronology segments before and after your proposed change -- and star the change itself, so we know what's new. 

I believe, in your case, the only bits you needed to post are: 

Quote: 
>>>
SERSI/"SYLVIA" 
CA@ 11 
*ST 109/1 
E 3 
... 
<<<


Like that. 

-Jeph!

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Thread 23

Posted: 25 Feb 2004 09:13 pm    Post subject: Xm 53-55 and UX 368
By Dhall

X-Man 53-55 is listed in Cyclops and Phoenixs listing as AFTER X 88. 

This is incorrect, as at the end of X-Man 55, Jean gets a call from Storm. 
If these were after X 88, Storm would be off world, and not likely to be phoning. 

Therefore these X-Man 53-55 must occur before UX 368, where Ororo and the other X-Men are taken off world. I propose moving these issues up to right before UX 368. 

Also that gives us a BTS app. for Storm: 
PPSM2 4 
**XM 55 -BTS 
UX 368 

While we are on the subject on UX 368, this issue has been left out of Cannonballs chronology. Check out page 12. I believe that Sam is the blond on the stairway, next to Maggot and Marrow. The other blond male in panel is Angel(who is sitting by the rest of the original X-men) 

Cannonball 
XFOR 90 
**UX 368 
GENX 52-BTS 
XFOR 92 


Sister Maria also appears in this issue, it is her final app. 

Dave Hall

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 11:49 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

I thought that Storm's call in X-Man #55 was the one she made between UX #372 and X #92, to summon Scott and Jean home in time for the Shattering. 

That's how I have it placed, anyway... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 10:50 pm    
By Dhall

If that's the case, then we need to move XM 53-55 back... 

I'm sure I'll have some more thoughts about this once I reread UX 372. It's amazing how many Wolverine, X-Force, genX, warlock, X-51 issues come between 371 and 372.....(sigh) 

DaveH

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Posted: 29 Feb 2004 07:57 pm    
By Dhall

Jeph, You are absolutly correct. My bad. 

Dave Hall

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Thread 24

Posted: 29 Feb 2004 10:57 pm    Post subject: Thor Canon Question; Thor I#293-301 considered falsified?
By Scathach80

Is most of Roy Thomas' first run on Thor around #293-301 considered non-canonical? I noticed that the listings for Thor, Valkyrie, and Odin avoid the "Thor as Sigfried storyline". 

I know the repeating Ragnarok idea was upset by Walt Simonson in Thor I#355...yet Gaea made comments in Thor I#301 which backed up the idea! Did Gaea choose to deceive Thor for some reason? 

Similarly, Odin in Defenders I#109 confirmed the Sigfried story-and even admitted to Valkyrie that he had wiped her memories!

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Thread 26

Posted: 22 Feb 2004 09:05 am    Post subject: Two Ultimate timeline problems
By Paul O'Brien [DIRECTOR]

I'm nearing completion of a preliminary timeline for the Ultimate universe (with just Ultimate Fantastic Four and Ultimate Six still to be added). This being a universe created almost entirely by Bendis and Millar, I tend to take their time references loosely once we get above the level of "next day" or "next week" - Millar in particular has an unfortunate habit of throwing in three month gaps in the middle of a single issue. Nonetheless, it all fits together surprisingly nicely - apart from two glitches where fudging seems inevitable. 

Number 1: the Ultimates' appearance in Ultimate Adventures #3-4. This is the only point where that book interacts with the remainder of the Ultimate continuity. 

In these issues, the Ultimates visit Hawk-Owl and try to enlist him in their team. He says no and, after the obligatory squabble, they go home. One afternoon; all well and good. 

The problem is the roster which turns up: Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Giant-Man and Wasp. This is the Ultimates line-up which fought the Hulk in Ultimates #5. But, and here's the catch, Thor wasn't on the team at the time. Instead, he turns up to help out. Issue #6 starts with the immediate aftermath of the Hulk battle, has a gap of "a few weeks", and then picks up again with Stark and Cap trying to persuade Thor to join. (He agrees to a kind of associate status.) However, at the same time as that meeting is going on, Giant-Man is beating the hell out the Wasp in a domestic fight. She's hospitalised, and he goes on the run before being arrested by Cap a few issues later. That storyline is still ongoing, but since Giant-Man isn't on the Ultimates' roster in either Ultimate Six or Ultimate War - and the arrest warrant against him was public knowledge - it seems almost certain that he was kicked off the team. 

So this story has to take place before the second half of Ultimates #6, after which Giant-Man's unavailable. But that leaves Thor with no rationale whatsoever for being present. The best I can come up with is that Thor simply tags along with the Ultimates to keep an eye on them, because he has reservations about what they're trying to do. 

Number 2: Bear with me, because this gets complicated. 

There are very few breaks in the action during Ultimate Spider-Man #14-27. Issue #14 through to issue #17, page 4 cover around five straight days. There follows a break which is captioned as "one week later." Issue #17 page 5 through to issue #21 then run straight through over a period of two days - specifically, a Thursday and Friday. At the end of that period, Spider-Man returns home to find that Aunt May has discovered that he was lying about his whereabouts. May grounds him. We don't see anything over the weekend, but issue #22 picks up with Peter arriving at school on the Monday and telling MJ that he's been grounded. Issues #22-27 then run straight through, covering a period of two days. 

(Just to complicate matters further, at the beginning of issue #14, Peter is given an assignment to do a presentation about a superhero, which is due in "one week". But after the one-week gap in issue #17, characters are still talking about this presentation as an upcoming event - and when Peter finally gets around to making the presentation, in the final scene in Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special #1, it's to a different teacher entirely. For whatever reason, then, the deadline must have been pushed back at least once.) 

Anyway: between issues #14 and #27, we have only two gaps - a weeklong gap in the middle of issue #17, and a weekend between issues #21-22. 

Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #11 shows Peter and his supporting cast skipping school for "senior skip day." They go to a mall, where they meet some of the X-Men, who are taking a day off. Gwen Stacy is in the issue, placing it after Ultimate Spider-Man #14 (which was her first day at Peter's school). May Parker has a speech at the beginning about how much she trusts Peter, who would never lie to her, not like all those other kids - so evidently she hasn't discovered his lies yet, and it's before Ultimate Spider-Man #21. That requires the story to take place during the "one week" gap in issue #17. 

But the X-Men at the mall include the Beast. Beast isn't in his furry form yet. It can't be an image inducer (they don't exist in the Ultimate Universe), nor can it be a telepathic illusion (Marvel Girl's not powerful enough). So it's before he became furry. That places the story, at latest, between Ultimate X-Men #7-8. In Ultimate X-Men #8, Beast and the other X-Men are kidnapped by Weapon X, and it's during that period of imprisonment that he's made furry. The X-Men finally escape in Ultimate X-Men #12. 

So what's the problem? Well, the problem is Nick Fury. 

In Ultimate X-Men #8-12, he's an agent of SHIELD (which at that point is run by Thunderbolt Ross). But by the time of Ultimate Spider-Man #23, Fury is a public figure, and he's the head of SHIELD. That gives him roughly a week, total, to help the X-Men against Weapon X, get promoted to head of SHIELD and race back to New York to help Spider-Man against the Green Goblin. 

It is just about possible to cram the Ultimate X-Men storyline into that gap, going purely by the events actually seen on panel. Ross is killed in Ultimate X-Men #11 (along with several other high ranking officers), so it's reasonably plausible that Fury was immediately promoted as acting head of SHIELD. 

But in Ultimate X-Men #11, Marvel Girl says that the X-Men have been prisoners of Weapon X for SIX weeks. And there's absolutely no way of shoehorning a six week period into Spider-Man's timeline. 

We're told that Weapon X were regularly mindwiping and generally interfering with the X-Men during their period of captivity, presumably in an attempt to brainwash them. The best I can come up with is that, as part of that, Weapon X were messing about with Jean's perception of time - she hasn't been in there for six weeks, but she THINKS she has. If you ignore that line, everything else can be forced (awkwardly) into the one week period. 

Anyone have any better ideas?
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-- Paul O'Brien

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Posted: 22 Feb 2004 03:44 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Could Spidey conceivably have been grounded for six straight weeks? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 22 Feb 2004 05:46 pm    
By Paul O'Brien

Not really, because he'd still have had to go to school. It's pretty clear from the conversation he has with MJ on the Monday that this is the Monday after. It's not like she's saying "Hey, where have you been for the last month and a half."
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-- Paul O'Brien

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Posted: 22 Feb 2004 10:46 pm    
By PopularLoser

I think putting the "Return to Weapon X" storyarc in the one week gap in Ultimate Spider-Man works better than any other idea. It just requires, like you said, to have Marvel Girl's comment of being held by Weapon X for six weeks as an exaggeration or as a result of being brainwashed.
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Thread 27

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:35 pm    Post subject: Ultimate Universe Character Chronologies version 1.4
By jimmyflowers

To be updated soon . . . posting for the new board . .. 

AGENT QUARTERMAIN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 026 
Ultimate Spider-Man 027 

ANT-MAN/DOCTOR PYM 
Ultimate Spider-Man 014 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 

AYERS, MR. 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 

BARNES, GAIL 
Ultimates 007 

BEAST/HENRY MCCOY 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

BLACK WIDOW 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB1 (Pages 1 through 2) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014-FB2 (Page 3) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 008 

BLACK WIDOW/NATASHA ROMANOV 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 035 

BLADE 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28) 

BLOB 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate X-Men 026 (Pages 22-24) 
Ultimate X-Men 027 

BORIS 
Ultimate X-Men 008 

BRADDOCK, BRIAN 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

BRADDOCK, PROFESSOR 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

BRADDOCK, STRIKE AGENT BETSY 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

BRADLEY, AGENT 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 024 

BRANKIN, DR. EAMONN 
Ultimates 007 

BRANT, BETTY 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 

BROCK SR., EDDIE 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 

BROCK SR., MRS. EDDIE 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 

BUCKY/BUCKY BARNES 
Ultimates 010-FB2 (Pages 6-7) 
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23) 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 007 

BUSH, PRESIDENT GEORGE 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 

CAPTAIN AMERICA 
Ultimates 010-FB1 (Pages 2-5) 
Ultimates 010-FB2 (Pages 6-7) 
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23) 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate X-Men 033 

CARTER, SHIELD AGENT SHARON 
Ultimate Spider-Man 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB1 (Page 6) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB2 (Pages 7-31) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 13+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046 (Pages 2-5 and 32) 

CHENEY, VICE PRESIDENT DICK 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 

CHI, LEE 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB1 (Pages 14-17) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB2 (Page 19, panels 2, 4+ through Page 21) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB3 (Page 22, panel 2 through Page 23) 
Ultimate Adventures 005 

CHI, MASTER KWI 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB1 (Pages 14-17) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB2 (Page 19, panels 2, 4+ through Page 21) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB3 (Page 22, panel 2 through Page 23) 

COLOSSUS 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men One-Half 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

CROWLEY, SHIELD AGENT 
Ultimate X-Men 009 

CRUSHER HOGAN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 

CURRIE, LAUCHLIN 
Ultimates 010-FB2 (Pages 6-7) 

CYCLOPS/SCOTT SUMMERS 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men One-Half 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB1 (Pages 2-7) 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB2 (Pages 10-11) 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB3 (Page 14 panels 1-3) 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB4 (Page 14 panel 4 through Page 16) 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 033 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

DANNER, RUTH 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB1 (Pages 14-17) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB3 (Page 22, panel 2 through Page 23) 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 

DAREDEVIL/MATT MURDOCK 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28) 
Ultimate X-Men 036 
Ultimate X-Men 037 

DETONATOR/RICKY GIBSON 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB02 (Pages 6-9) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB05 (Pages 14-15) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB10 (Page 21, panel 3) 

DEWOLFF, CAPTAIN JEAN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 032 

DOCTOR BRANKIN 
Ultimate War 1 

DOCTOR CORNELIUS 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 

DOCTOR KNOX 
Ultimate X-Men 027 

DOCTOR OCTOPUS 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB1 (Page 6) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 19+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046 (Pages 7+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 13+) 

DOCTOR SKRTIC 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 

DOCTOR STRANGE 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013 

ELECTRO 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 

ELEKTRA 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28) 

ELIZABETH, SHANNON 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 

ESHELMAN, BOAZ 
Ultimate X-Men 001 

FANCY DAN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 

FATHER JOE 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB1 (Pages 14-17) 
Ultimate Adventures 001 
Ultimate Adventures 003 

FIMMEL, TRAVIS 
Ultimate X-Men 030 

FORGE 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 030 

FURY, NICK 
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB1 (Page 6) 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 024 
Ultimate Spider-Man 026 
Ultimate Spider-Man 027 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate Spider-Man 039 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

GAMBIT 
Ultimate X-Men 013 
Ultimate X-Men 014 

GELDOFF 
Ultimate Spider-Man 040 
Ultimate Spider-Man 041 
Ultimate Spider-Man 042 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 

GIANT MAN 
See Ant-Man 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 

GREEN GOBLIN/NORMAN OSBORN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 001 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 005 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 007 
Ultimate Spider-Man 022 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 024 
Ultimate Spider-Man 025 
Ultimate Spider-Man 026 
Ultimate Spider-Man 027 

GREENWOOD, BRUCE 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007 

GREY, PROFESSOR 
Ultimate War 2 

HALE, TRACI 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 19+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046 (Pages 7+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 13+) 

HAMMER, JUSTIN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 19+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB2 (Pages 7-31) 

HAMMERHEAD 
Ultimate X-Men 013 
Ultimate X-Men 014 

HARD-DRIVE 
Ultimate War 1 

HAWKEYE 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 

HAWK-OWL/JACK DANNER 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB1 (Pages 14-17) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB2 (Page 19, panels 2, 4+ through Page 21) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB3 (Page 22, panel 2 through Page 23) 
Ultimate Adventures 001 
Ultimate Adventures 002 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate Adventures 005 

HERBIE 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 

HERR KLEISER 
Ultimates 010-FB1 (Pages 2-5) 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 

HHVX 
Ultimate X-Men 022 

HULK 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimate War 2 

HUMAN TORCH/JOHNNY STORM 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 

ICEMAN/BOBBY DRAKE 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men One-Half 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

INVISIBLE GIRL/SUE STORM 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 

IRON FIST/DANNY RAND 
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half 

IRON MAN/TONY STARK 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005 
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+) 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 028 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

JACKSON, DRAKE 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 

JAMESON, J JONAH 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 

JARVIS 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 006 

JONES, DEBBIE 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 

JUBILEE 
Ultimate X-Men 007 

JUGGERNAUT 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate War 1 

KING, LARRY 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 

KINGPIN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 

KITTY PRYDE 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

KONG 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28) 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 034 
Ultimate Spider-Man 040 

KRAVEN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 19+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 

LIZARD 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010-FB (Pages 6 through 10) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 039 

LORD BRADDOCK 
Ultimate X-Men 019 

MACTAGGERT, MOIRA 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB01 (Pages 2-5) 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

MAGNETO 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB01 (Pages 2-5) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB02 (Pages 6-9) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB03 (Pages 10-11) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB04 (Pages 12-13) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB05 (Pages 14-15) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB06 (Pages 16-17) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB07 (Pages 18-20) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB08 (Page 21, panel 1) 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4) 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 026 (Pages 22-24) 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate X-Men 033 

MAGNETO'S COMPUTER 
Ultimate X-Men 024 

MAN-THING 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010 

MARVEL GIRL/JEAN GREY 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 042 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

MASTER STONE 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 3 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4 

MASTERMIND 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 027 

MISS KLEIN 
Ultimate X-Men 030 

MISTER BIG 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 

MISTER FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 

MISTER SEVILLE 
Ultimate X-Men 025 

MONTANA 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 

MS. WILLOW 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate Adventures 005 

MULTIPLE MAN 
Ultimate X-Men 027 

NELSON, FOGGY 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 1 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 2 
Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra 4 

NIGHTCRAWLER 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

ORB-WEAVER 
Ultimate X-Men 022 

OSBORN, HARRY 
Ultimate Spider-Man 001 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 005 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 007 
Ultimate Spider-Man 022 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 024 
Ultimate Spider-Man 025 
Ultimate Spider-Man 026 
Ultimate Spider-Man 027 

OX 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 

PARKER, AUNT MAY 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 001 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 005 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 007 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 013 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 13+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 024 
Ultimate Spider-Man 028 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 030 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 045-FB (Pages 9-10) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate Spider-Man 045 

PARKER, MARY 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 

PARKER, RICHARD 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 

PARKER, UNCLE BEN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 001 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 005 

PHOENIX 
Ultimate X-Men 025 

PRINCIPAL ZEVAD 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 

PRINZE JR., FREDDIE 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES XAVIER 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB01 (Pages 2-5) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB02 (Pages 6-9) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB03 (Pages 10-11) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB04 (Pages 12-13) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB06 (Pages 16-17) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB07 (Pages 18-20) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB09 (Page 21, panel 2) 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 014 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 033 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

PROSIMIAN 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 

PROTEUS/DAVID XAVIER 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 

PRYDE, KITTY 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB1 (Pages 2-7) 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 042 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

PUNISHER/FRANK CASTLE 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008 

QUICKSILVER/PIETRO LEHNSHEER 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB03 (Pages 10-11) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB07 (Pages 18-20) 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men One-Half 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 

RALPH (THE OWL) 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate Adventures 005 

RASPUTIN, ILYANA 
Ultimate X-Men 018 

RHINO 
Ultimate Spider-Man 028 

RHODES, JIM 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004 

RIGGS, SHIELD AGENT 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB1 (Page 6) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB2 (Pages 7-31) 

ROBERTSON, JOE 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 

ROGUE 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

ROSS, BETTY 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 009 

ROSS, GENERAL THUNDERBOLT 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 011 

RUMSFIELD, DONALD 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 

SABRETOOTH 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 026 (Pages 22-24) 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 030 

SALUKI 
Ultimate X-Men 022 

SANDMAN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 

SANDMAN/FLINT MARKO 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB2 (Pages 7-31) 

SCARLET WITCH/WANDA LEHNSHEER 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB03 (Pages 10-11) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB07 (Pages 18-20) 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men One-Half 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 

SEBASTIAN SHAW 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 

SENATOR ANDREW BORDER TURK 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 

SHANG-CHI 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016 

SISTER MARY 
Ultimate Adventures 001 

SPIDER-MAN IMPOSTER 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 030 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 001 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 005 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 007 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 006 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 007 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 013 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28) 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 010 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB1 (Page 6) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 19+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB2 (Pages 7-31) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 13+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 29-30) 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016 
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half 
Ultimate Spider-Man 022 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 024 
Ultimate Spider-Man 025 
Ultimate Spider-Man 026 
Ultimate Spider-Man 027 
Ultimate Spider-Man 028 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 030 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 045-FB (Pages 9-10) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033 
Ultimate Spider-Man 034 
Ultimate Spider-Man 035 
Ultimate Spider-Man 036 
Ultimate Spider-Man 037 
Ultimate Spider-Man 038 
Ultimate Spider-Man 039 
Ultimate Spider-Man 040 
Ultimate Spider-Man 041 
Ultimate Spider-Man 042 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate Spider-Man 045 
Ultimate X-Men 034 
Ultimate X-Men 035 
Ultimate X-Men 036 
Ultimate X-Men 037 

STACY, CAPTAIN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 

STACY, GWEN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 022 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 028 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033 
Ultimate Spider-Man 034 
Ultimate Spider-Man 036 
Ultimate Spider-Man 040 
Ultimate Spider-Man 041 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 

STARK, MORGAN 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19) 

STORM/ORORO MUNROE 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 014 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate Spider-Man 042 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 037 

SUMATRAN 
Ultimate X-Men 022 

TABIDI 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 

TARA 
Ultimate X-Men 034 
Ultimate X-Men 035 
Ultimate X-Men 036 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

THE PRINCIPAL/MORGAN JONES 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate Adventures 005 

THING/BEN GRIMM 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 

THOMAS, STRIKE AGENT DAI 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 

THOMPSON, FLASH 
Ultimate Spider-Man 001 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 005 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 007 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 019 
Ultimate Spider-Man 022 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 034 
Ultimate Spider-Man 040 
Ultimate Spider-Man 041 

THOR 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

TIPPLE, HANK 
Ultimate Adventures 001 
Ultimate Adventures 002 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate Adventures 005 

TOAD 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate War 1 

TOLLIVER, DANIEL 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB1 (Pages 14-17) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB2 (Page 19, panels 2, 4+ through Page 21) 
Ultimate Adventures 005-FB3 (Page 22, panel 2 through Page 23) 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate Adventures 005 

TRASK, BOLIVAR 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 015 

UNUS 
Ultimate War 3 

URICH, BEN 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man One-Half 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 

VANISHER 
Ultimate War 1 

VENOM/EDDIE BROCK JR. 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033-FB (Page 8, panel 4 through Page 11) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 017 
Ultimate Spider-Man 033 
Ultimate Spider-Man 034 
Ultimate Spider-Man 035 
Ultimate Spider-Man 036 
Ultimate Spider-Man 037 
Ultimate Spider-Man 038 

WALKER, PATSY 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 

WALTERS, BARBARA 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 

WASP/JANET VAN DYNE 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 

WATSON, MARY JANE 
Ultimate Spider-Man 001 
Ultimate Spider-Man 002 
Ultimate Spider-Man 003 
Ultimate Spider-Man 004 
Ultimate Spider-Man 005 
Ultimate Spider-Man 006 
Ultimate Spider-Man 007 
Ultimate Spider-Man 008 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 
Ultimate Spider-Man 013 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 1-28) 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 26-28) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 014 
Ultimate Spider-Man 015 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 020 (Pages 1-18) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 015 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 016 
Ultimate Spider-Man 022 
Ultimate Spider-Man 023 
Ultimate Spider-Man 024 
Ultimate Spider-Man 025 
Ultimate Spider-Man 026 
Ultimate Spider-Man 027 
Ultimate Spider-Man 028 
Ultimate Spider-Man 029 
Ultimate Spider-Man 030 
Ultimate Spider-Man 031 
Ultimate Spider-Man 034 
Ultimate Spider-Man 035 
Ultimate Spider-Man 037 
Ultimate Spider-Man 040 
Ultimate Spider-Man 041 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate X-Men 034 

WATSON, MRS. 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 

WOLVERINE/LOGAN 
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9) 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 003-FB (Page 7, panel 4) 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 001 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB1 (Pages 2-7) 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate X-Men 033 
Ultimate X-Men 034 
Ultimate X-Men 035 
Ultimate X-Men 036 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038 

WONG 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012-FB (Pages 2 through 3) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013 

WOO, SHIELD AGENT 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB2 (Pages 7-31) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 13+) 

WRAITH, JOHN 
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9) 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 

XANDU 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 012 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 013 

ZELAZNY, AGENT 
Ultimate War 4

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Thread 28

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:37 pm    Post subject: Ultimate Universe Team Chronologies version 1.4
By jimmyflowers

To be updated soon. Posted for new board . . . 

ACOLYTES 
Ultimate X-Men 020 

BROTHERHOOD OF MUTANTS 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB03 (Pages 10-11) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB04 (Pages 12-13) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB05 (Pages 14-15) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB06 (Pages 16-17) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB07 (Pages 18-20) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB08 (Page 21, panel 1) 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate X-Men 026 (Pages 22-24) 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB4 (Page 14 panel 4 through Page 16) 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 

DINOSAURS 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB2 (Pages 10-11) 

ENFORCERS 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man 010 
Ultimate Spider-Man 011 
Ultimate Spider-Man 012 

FANTASTIC FOUR 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimate Spider-Man Super Special (Pages 31+) 

FBI 
Ultimate Spider-Man 009 

HAWKEYE 
Ultimate War 1 

HELLFIRE CLUB 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 025 

IRAQI ARMY 
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9) 

MANDROIDS 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 004 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005 

MILITARY 
Ultimates 010-FB2 (Pages 6-7) 
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23) 
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9) 
Ultimate X-Men 026-FB10 (Page 21, panel 3) 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 003 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate X-Men 028 

MUTANT X 
Ultimate X-Men 008 

NASA 
Ultimate X-Men 027 

NATZIS 
Ultimates 010-FB1 (Pages 2-5) 
Ultimates 001 (Pages 1 through 23) 
Ultimates 011 

PLASMIDS 
Ultimate Spider-Man 025 

RED DEVIL 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 005-FB (Pages 2-3, 6, 9, 13-14, 16-19) 

RUSSIAN MAFIA 
Ultimate X-Men 008 

SENTINELS 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 

SHIELD 
Ultimate Spider-Man 016 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate Spider-Man 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB1 (Page 6) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046-FB2 (Pages 7-31) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 (Pages 13+) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046 (Pages 2-5 and 32) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 046 (Pages 2-5 and 32) 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate Spider-Man 026 
Ultimate Spider-Man 027 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate Spider-Man 039 
Ultimate X-Men 027 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 032 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

SHIELD (PAGES 1-12) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 021 

SKRULLS 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 009 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 

STRIKE 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 

ULTIMATES 
Ultimates 001 (Page 24+) 
Ultimates 002 
Ultimates 003 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 1 through 13) 
Ultimates 004 (Pages 14+) 
Ultimates 005 
Ultimates 006 
Ultimates 007 
Ultimates 008 
Ultimates 009 
Ultimates 010 
Ultimates 011 
Ultimate War 1 
Ultimate War 2 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate Adventures 003 
Ultimate Adventures 004 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 

US ARMY 
Ultimate X-Men One-Half 

WEAPON X 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 

X-MEN 
Ultimate X-Men 011-FB (Pages 1 through 9) 
Ultimate X-Men 001 
Ultimate X-Men 002 
Ultimate X-Men 003 
Ultimate X-Men 004 
Ultimate X-Men 005 
Ultimate X-Men 006 
Ultimate X-Men One-Half 
Ultimate Marvel Team-Up 011 
Ultimate X-Men 007 
Ultimate X-Men 008 
Ultimate X-Men 009 
Ultimate X-Men 010 
Ultimate X-Men 011 
Ultimate X-Men 012 
Ultimate X-Men 013 
Ultimate X-Men 014 
Ultimate X-Men 015 
Ultimate X-Men 016 
Ultimate X-Men 017 
Ultimate X-Men 018 
Ultimate X-Men 019 
Ultimate X-Men 020 
Ultimate X-Men 021 
Ultimate X-Men 022 
Ultimate X-Men 023 
Ultimate X-Men 024 
Ultimate X-Men 029-FB1 (Pages 2-7) 
Ultimate X-Men 025 
Ultimate War 3 
Ultimate War 4 
Ultimate X-Men 028 
Ultimate X-Men 029 
Ultimate X-Men 030 
Ultimate X-Men 031 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 1-10) 
Ultimate Spider-Man 042 
Ultimate Spider-Man 043 
Ultimate Spider-Man 044 
Ultimate X-Men 032 (Pages 11+) 
Ultimate X-Men 033 
Ultimate X-Men 034 
Ultimate X-Men 035 
Ultimate X-Men 036 
Ultimate X-Men 037 
Ultimate X-Men 038

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Thread 29

Posted: 25 Feb 2004 10:21 pm    Post subject: Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #1 Placement
By PopularLoser

Has everyone (and by everyone, I mean the four or five of us who are working on an Ultimate Chronology) agreed on where Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #1 (the Wolvie/Spidey team-up) takes place in relation to Ultimate X-Men. The two possible theories I have are a) very early in the "Return to Weapon X" arc, & b) Before the first issue of Ultimate X-Men. 

Now in detail: 

a) It could be that Wolverine runs into Spidey after he leaves the Mansion. And Sabertooth tracks him because Weapon X misses him when they capture the other X-Men 

b) Or it could be that after Wolverine escapes from Weapon X (the first time, when Nick Fury breaks him out on Christmas Day), he's on the run in New York City, calls Fury and gets little help, bumps into Spidey, fights Sabertooth, escapes Weapon X, and is given an offer by Magneto to join his Brotherhood. 

Which one do you guys like better?
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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 11:28 am    
By Paul O'Brien [DIRECTOR]

I think it's clearly before Ultimate X-Men #1. At the time of Ultimate Marvel Team-Up #1, Wolverine is on the run from the government. It's artificial to place that story after he joins the X-Men, and I don't see any evidence to suggest that it takes place then.
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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 02:13 pm    
By PopularLoser

I agree. I was just putting this out for discussion because we haven't really discussed it yet. I think it can logically be taken as: Wolverine's on the run from Weapon X, calls Fury and get nothing so he doesn't know who to turn to. Magneto finds Wolverine and gives him asylum, about the same time the Brotherhood begins its war on humanity. Thus everything's in place for Ultimate X-Men #1.
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Thread 30

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:45 pm    Post subject: Marvel Comics 2 Universe Team Chronologies version 1.3
By jimmyflowers

To be updated soon. Posted for new board . . . 

AVENGERS 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 
A-Next 07-FB3 (Pages 18-19) 
A-Next 01 
A-Next 02 
Spider-Girl 000 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
J2 05 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
A-Next 12 
Spider-Girl 013 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 

BROTHERHOOD OF THE SCRIERS 
Spider-Girl 049-FB2 (Page 7, panels 2+) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB4 (Page 14, panels 2-4) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB5 (Page 16, panel 3 thru Page 19, panel 4) 

DEFENDERS 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 

DOOMBOTS 
A-Next 05 

FANTASTIC FIVE 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Spider-Girl 003 
A-Next 05 
Fantastic Five 1 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 

FANTASTIC FOUR 
Spider-Girl 007 (Pages 21-22) 

KREE 
A-Next 02 

NEW WARRIORS 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 046 

N'GARAI 
Wild Thing 4 Story 1 

REVENGERS 
A-Next 12 

SAVAGE SIX 
Spider-Girl 025 

SENTINELS 
Wild Thing 3 Story 1 

SHIELD 
Spider-Girl 005 
A-Next 05 
A-Next 06 
Fantastic Five 2 

SOLDIERS OF THE SERPENT 
A-Next 04 
A-Next 09 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 032 

TAG TEAM 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 

THUNDER GUARD 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

TROLLS 
A-Next 01 

WIZARD'S WARRIORS 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 

X-MEN 
J2 07-FB1 (Pages 6-8) 

X-PEOPLE 
J2 01 
J2 02 
J2 07 Story 1

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Thread 31

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:47 pm    Post subject: Marvel Comics 2 Universe Character Chronologies version 1.3
By jimmyflowers

To be updated soon. Posted for new board . . . 

FB = Flashback 
TT = Time Travel 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 2 is noncanon. 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 3 is merely a recap. 

ALLEN, LIZ 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 

AMERICAN DREAM/SHANNON CARTER 
Spider-Girl 032-FB1 (Page 11, panels 2 through 3) 
A-Next 01 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
A-Next 12 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 

ANGEL FACE 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 

ANGRY EAGLE 
J2 02 

ANT-MAN 2/SCOTT LANG 
A-Next 01 
A-Next 02 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
A-Next 05 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 12 

APOX, THE OMEGA SKRULL 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 

ARGO THE ALMIGHTY 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 12 

BANNON, BUZZ 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
The Buzz 1-FB2 (Page 10) 
The Buzz 1 

BARON ZEMO (ALTERNATE EARTH) 
A-Next 11 

BIG BRAIN 
Spider-Girl 003 
A-Next 05 
Fantastic Five 1 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 5 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 

BIG JULIE THE GANGSTER GORILLA 
Wild Thing 3 Story 2 

BIG JULIE THE GANGSTER GORILLA/JULIUS S. BRIDWELL 
J2 09 Story 1 

BIG MAN/HENRY PYM II 
A-Next 12 

BINDER 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 

BISSETTE, DOCTOR JENNIFER 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 

BLACK CAT/FELICIA HARDY 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 053 

BLACKLIGHT 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 12 

BLANCHET, JAKE 
Spider-Girl 006 

BLUESTREAK 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
A-Next 12 
Spider-Girl 013 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 

BRADY, MEGYN 
Spider-Girl 053 

BRANT, BETTY 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 

BREWSTER, COLIN 
Wild Thing 1 
Wild Thing 2 Story 1 
Wild Thing 5 Story 1 

BRYCE-JONES, CAMERON 
Wild Thing 1 
Wild Thing 2 Story 1 
Wild Thing 3 Story 1 
Wild Thing 5 Story 1 

BUFFER ZONE 
J2 02 

BULLET 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 

BULLSEYE 
J2 07 Story 2 

CALIBAN 
J2 07-FB1 (Pages 6-8) 

CANIS 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 

CAPTAIN AMERICA 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

CAPTAIN AMERICA (ALTERNATE EARTH) 
A-Next 10-FB 

CAPTAIN RUIZ 
Spider-Girl 001 

CARTER, PEGGY 
Spider-Girl 032-FB1 (Page 11, panels 2 through 3) 

COAL TIGER/PRINCE T'CHAKA 
A-Next 04 
A-Next 12 

CRAZY EIGHT 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 

CRIMSON CURSE/AERIKA HARKNESS 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

CUSSLER, LISA 
Spider-Girl 045 

CYCLOPS 
J2 07 Story 1 

DARKDEVIL/REILLY TYNE 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 023 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

DEACON 
J2 04 

DEADEYE 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

DIABLO 
Fantastic Five 5 

DOC MAGUS 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
J2 04 

DOCTOR DOOM (ALTERNATE EARTH) 
A-Next 10-FB 
A-Next 11 

DOCTOR DOOM 3/KRISTOFF VERNARD 
A-Next 05 
Fantastic Five 5 

DOCTOR OCTOPUS 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 

DOCTOR STRANGE 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
Wild Thing 0 

DOMINATOR 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 

DONAR/THOR (ALTERNATE EARTH) 
A-Next 11 

DRAGON KING/CARLTON T. HACKMUTTER 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 025 

DRAGONFIST 
Spider-Girl 024 

DUFFY, DARREL 
Spider-Girl 022 

DURAN, COURTNEY 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 010 
Spider-Girl 011 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 4 (Pages 47 thru 48) 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 015 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 023 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 053 

DURAN, MR. 
Spider-Girl 050 

DURAN, MRS. 
Spider-Girl 050 

EAGLE 
J2 01 
J2 07 Story 1 

EARTH SENTRY/JOHN FOSTER 
A-Next 02 
A-Next 12 

EARTHSHAKER 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 021 

ELECTRA 
Spider-Girl 051 

ELEKTRA 
J2 05 
J2 07 Story 2 
Wild Thing 2 Story 1 

ENTHRALLA 
J2 02 
J2 08 
Spider-Girl One-Half 

FEIN, DR. HOWARD 
Spider-Girl 026 

FIREBIRD 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 

FIRESTAR 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 

FOSTER, DOCTOR WILLIAM 
A-Next 02 

FREEBOOTER 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
A-Next 12 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 045 

FREEFALL 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 

FREEMAN, KENDRA 
A-Next 09 

FUNNY FACE 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 

GIANT-MAN/HENRY PYM 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 

GILCREST, DR. LENNY 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 

GIRANO, MAYOR 
J2 05 

GOLD, MONTANA 
J2 01 
J2 02 
J2 07 Story 3 
J2 08 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Wild Thing 5 Story 2 

GOLDEN GOBLIN (AKA GREEN GOBLIN 4)/PHIL URICH 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 005 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 023 
Spider-Girl 024 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

GRANT, JAMEESIA 
A-Next 09 

GREEN GOBLIN 1/NORMAN OSBORN JR. 
Spider-Girl 044 (Page 15, panels 3 and 5) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB1 (Page 6, panels 2-3) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB2 (Page 9) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB5 (Page 16, panel 3 thru Page 19, panel 4) 

GREEN GOBLIN 6/NORMAN OSBORN III 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

GRIMM, ALYCE 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Fantastic Five 5 

GRIMM, JACOB 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Fantastic Five 5 

GROOTE, LEONARD 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 

HALLENDALE, MILLER 
J2 01 
J2 02 
J2 03 (Pages 1-2, Page 15 panel 2 through Page 23) 
J2 07 Story 3 
J2 08 
J2 09 Story 1 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Wild Thing 5 Story 2 

HALPERN, HOLLY 
A-Next 09 

HAWKEYE/CLINT BARTON 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 12 

HERCULES 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 
A-Next 06 

HICKS, RALPHIE 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 045 

HULK 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
Wild Thing 0 

HUMAN TORCH 2/JOHNNY STORM 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 
Spider-Girl 007 (Pages 21-22) 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
A-Next 05 
Fantastic Five 1 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 
Fantastic Five 5 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 

HYPERSTORM 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 

IMPACT 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 

INVISIBLE WOMAN/SUE RICHARDS 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Fantastic Five 4 

ION MAN 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 12 

IRON CROSS/ANTHONY "TONY" STARK (ALTERNATE EARTH) 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

IRON DESPOT 
Wild Thing 5 Story 1 

IRON FIST/DANNY RAND 
Spider-Girl 024 

IRON MAN/ANTHONY "TONY" STARK 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 
A-Next 07-FB3 (Pages 18-19) 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 12 

IRON MAN/TONY STARK 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 

J2/ZANE YAMA-MARKO 
J2 06 Story 3 
J2 01 
A-Next 01 
J2 02 
A-Next 02 
Spider-Girl 000 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
J2 03 (Pages 1-2, Page 15 panel 2 through Page 23) 
J2 04 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
J2 06 Story 3 
Spider-Girl 008 
J2 07 Story 1 
J2 07 Story 3 
J2 08 
A-Next 06 
J2 09 Story 1 
J2 09 Story 3 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
A-Next 12 
Spider-Girl 013 
Wild Thing 2 Story 2 
Wild Thing 3 Story 2 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Wild Thing 5 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 

JADE, DR. SONIA 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
The Buzz 1 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 1-8) 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 

JAMESON, DR. MARLA 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
The Buzz 1 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 1-8) 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) 

JAMESON, J. JONAH 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
Spider-Girl 012 
The Buzz 1 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 1-8) 
Spider-Girl 015 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 022 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) 
Spider-Girl 023 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 032 

JARVIS (ALTERNATE EARTH), EDWIN 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

JARVIS, EDWIN 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 
A-Next 07-FB3 (Pages 18-19) 
A-Next 01 
J2 02 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
J2 08 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 12 

JOLT/HALLIE TAKAHAMA 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) 
A-Next 01 
Spider-Girl 000 

JUBILEE/JUBILATION LEE 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) 
J2 01 
A-Next 01 
J2 02 
Spider-Girl 000 
A-Next 04 
J2 07 Story 1 
Wild Thing 3 Story 1 

JUGGERNAUT/CAIN MARKO 
J2 07-FB1 (Pages 6-8) 
Wild Thing 2 Story 2 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Wild Thing 5 Story 2 

JUSTICE 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 

KAINE 
Spider-Girl 049-FB3 (Page 9, panel 2 thru Page 10, panel 3) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB3 (Page 10, panels 5-6) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB4 (Page 19, panel 1) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB4 (Page 14, panels 2-4) 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

KILLERWATT 
Spider-Girl 009 
A-Next 12 

KINGPIN 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 

KIRBY, DAVIDA 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 010 
Spider-Girl 011 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 
Spider-Girl 015 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) 
Spider-Girl 023 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) 
Spider-Girl 024 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 051 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 

KOLECKI, MAUVE 
Spider-Girl 050 

KUROYAMA 
Wild Thing 2 Story 1 

LADYHAWK 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 023 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 046 

LOKI 
A-Next 01 

LU, NANCY "LUCKY" 
Spider-Girl 023 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 

MAGNETA 
J2 06 Story 1 
J2 08 

MAINFRAME 
A-Next 01 
A-Next 02 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
J2 05 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 046 

MANSFIELD, MOOSE 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 015 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 023 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 050 

MILLER, BRAD 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 010 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

MISERY/MELISSA CARSDALE 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 

MISTER ABNORMAL 
Spider-Girl 015 
Spider-Girl 025 

MISTER FANTASTIC/REED RICHADS 
Fantastic Five 1 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 

MISTER FANTASTIC/REED RICHARDS 
Spider-Girl 007 (Pages 21-22) 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Fantastic Five 4 

MISTER NOBODY 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 

MONGRAIN, ALISON 
Spider-Girl 048-FB1 (Page 6, panels 2-3) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB2 (Page 9) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB1 (Page 1, panels 2, 4, and 6) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB2 (Page 7, panels 2+) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB3 (Page 9, panel 2 thru Page 10, panel 3) 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

MS. FANTASTIC/LYJA 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Spider-Girl 003 
A-Next 05 
Fantastic Five 1 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 
Fantastic Five 5 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 034 

MS. MARVEL 2/SHARON VENTURA GRIMM 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Fantastic Five 3 

NELSON, FOGGY 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 017 

NEMESUS 
J2 04 

NOBLE, HEATHER 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 050 

NOVA 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 042 

OCTOPOD 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 

OSBORN, LIZ 
Spider-Girl 000 

OVERMAN 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

PARKER, AUNT MAY 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 

PARODY 
J2 07 Story 3 

PHILIPS, CHARLIE 
Spider-Girl 044 

PINCER/SCOTT LANG (ALTERNATE EARTH) 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. 
Spider-Girl 031 

PROFESSOR X/CHARLES XAVIER 
J2 07-FB1 (Pages 6-8) 

PSI-LORD/FRANKLIN RICHARDS 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Spider-Girl 003 
A-Next 05 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 010 
Fantastic Five 1 
Spider-Girl 013 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 
Fantastic Five 5 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 

QUICKWIRE 
Spider-Girl 053 

RAGONE, TURTLE 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 045 

RAPTOR/BRENDA "BLACKIE" DRAGO 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

RED QUEEN/HOPE PYM 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 12 

RED SKULL (ALTERNATE EARTH) 
A-Next 10-FB 

RICHARDS (ALTERNATE EARTH), REED 
A-Next 11 

ROBERTSON, DR. RICHIE 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
The Buzz 1 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 1-8) 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 050 

ROBINSON, TRACI 
Spider-Girl 041 

ROLLERBLAST 
J2 01 
J2 07 Story 1 

RUDOLPHO, THEO 
Spider-Girl 018 

RUIZ, CAPTAIN 
Spider-Girl 036 

S.S. AGENT/JOHN WALKER 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

SABRECLAW 
J2 08 
A-Next 12 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 

SAPRISTI (ALTERNATE EARTH), MARIA 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

SAPRISTI, MARIA 
A-Next 09 

SCARLET SPIDER 1/BEN REILLY 
Spider-Girl 044 (Page 15, panels 3 and 5) 

SCARLET SPIDER 2/FELICITY HARDY 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 052 
Spider-Girl 053 

SCARLET WITCH 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 
A-Next 07-FB3 (Pages 18-19) 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 10 

SENTRY 666 
A-Next 02 

SHIELD AGENT 33 
A-Next 04 
A-Next 06 

SIMIAN 
J2 01 
J2 02 
J2 07 Story 1 

SIRYN 
J2 07-FB1 (Pages 6-8) 

SLIPPERY SAM 
J2 04 

SPANNER 
J2 01 
J2 02 
J2 07 Story 1 

SPEEDBALL/ROBBY BALDWIN 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) 
A-Next 01 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 015 

SPIDER-GIRL/MAY "MAYDAY" PARKER 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB2 (Page 9) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB1 (Page 1, panels 2, 4, and 6) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB2 (Page 7, panels 2+) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB4 (Page 19, panel 1) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB4 (Page 14, panels 2-4) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB5 (Page 16, panel 3 thru Page 19, panel 4) 
Spider-Girl 007 (Pages 21-22) 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 005 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
J2 07 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 010 
Spider-Girl 011 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 4 (Pages 47 thru 48) 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 5 (Pages 49-55) 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 015 
Fantastic Five 3 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) 
Spider-Girl 023 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) 
Spider-Girl 024 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 051 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 
Spider-Girl 053 

SPIDER-MAN 1/PETER PARKER 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 
Spider-Girl 044 (Page 15, panels 3 and 5) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB5 (Page 16, panel 3 thru Page 19, panel 4) 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 005 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 010 
Spider-Girl 011 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 024 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 051 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

SPIDER-MAN 3/GERRY DREW 
Spider-Girl 039-FB (Page 15, panel 4) 
Spider-Girl 040-FB1 (Pages 13-14) 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 

SPIDER-SLAYER 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 

SPIDER-VENOM 
Spider-Girl 005 

SPIDER-WOMAN 1/JESSICA DREW 
Spider-Girl 039-FB (Page 15, panel 4) 
Spider-Girl 040-FB1 (Pages 13-14) 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 

SPIDER-WOMAN 2/JULIA CARPENTER 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 

SPILLANE, SERGEANT 
Spider-Girl 050 

SPYRAL 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 010 
Spider-Girl 011 

STEEL SPIDER 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panels 4 thru 5) 
Spider-Girl 032 

STINGER/CASSANDRA "CASSIE" LANG 
A-Next 01 
A-Next 02 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
J2 05 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
Spider-Girl 009 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
A-Next 12 
Spider-Girl 013 
Fantastic Five 5 
Spider-Girl 016 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 

STORMTROOPER/ERIC MASTERSON 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

SUB-MARINER/NAMOR 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 

SUPEROID 
Fantastic Five 2 

SUPER-STORM/TORUS STORM 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 5 

SWORDSMASTER 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

THE BUZZ/JACK JAMESON 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
Spider-Girl 012 
The Buzz 1-FB2 (Page 10) 
The Buzz 1 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 1-8) 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 4 (Pages 47 thru 48) 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) 
Spider-Girl 023 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) 
Spider-Girl 024 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 

THING/BEN GRIMM 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Spider-Girl 003 
A-Next 05 
Fantastic Five 1 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 
Fantastic Five 5 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 034 

THOMPSON, FLASH 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 016 
Spider-Girl 023 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 052 

THOR 
A-Next 01 

THRASH BANDIT 
Wild Thing 1 

THUNDERSTRIKE 2/KEVIN MASTERSON 
A-Next 01 
A-Next 02 
Spider-Girl 000 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
J2 05 
A-Next 05 
J2 06 Story 1 
A-Next 06 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 

TIGRA 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 

TORQUE 
J2 01 
J2 02 
J2 07 Story 1 

TYRUS THE TERRIBLE 
A-Next 01 

URICH, MEREDITH 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 026 

VIBRAXAS/N'KANO 
A-Next 04 

VISION 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 

VULTURE 
Spider-Girl 018 

WASP/JANET VAN DYNE PYM 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 

WATSON PARKER, MARY JANE 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB2 (Page 9) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB3 (Page 10, panels 5-6) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB4 (Page 19, panel 1) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB4 (Page 14, panels 2-4) 
Spider-Girl 007 (Pages 21-22) 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 005 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
J2 07 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 011 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 015 
Spider-Girl 017 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 024 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 051 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 
Spider-Girl 053 

WENDIGO 
Wild Thing 0 

WILD THING/RINA LOGAN 
J2 05 
J2 06 Story 2 
J2 07 Story 2 
J2 08 
J2 09 Story 2 
Wild Thing 0 
Wild Thing 1 
Wild Thing 2 Story 1 
Wild Thing 3 Story 1 
Wild Thing 4 Story 1 
Wild Thing 5 Story 1 
Spider-Girl One-Half 

WIZARD 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 

WOLVERINE 
J2 07-FB1 (Pages 6-8) 
J2 05 
J2 09 Story 2 
Wild Thing 0 
Wild Thing 1 
Wild Thing 4 Story 1 

YAMA, CATHERINE 
Spider-Girl 008 

YAMA, JIMMY 
Spider-Girl 001 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 007 
Spider-Girl 008 
Spider-Girl 009 
Spider-Girl 011 
Spider-Girl 012 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 022 
Spider-Girl 023 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 050 

YAMA, SACHI 
J2 02 
J2 04 
J2 05 
Spider-Girl 008 
J2 09 Story 1 
Spider-Girl 014 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Wild Thing 5 Story 2 

YI, SPIKE 
Spider-Girl 024 

ZAMORA, TALIA 
J2 01 
J2 03 (Pages 1-2, Page 15 panel 2 through Page 23) 
J2 04 
J2 07 Story 3 
J2 08 
J2 09 Story 1 
Wild Thing 3 Story 2 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2

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Thread 32

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:39 pm    Post subject: Marvel Comics 2 Universe Chronology version 1.3
By jimmyflowers

To be updated soon. Posted for new board . . . 

A-Next 10-FB 
Spider-Girl 010-TT (Page 9, panel 3 through Page 20) 
Spider-Girl 011-TT (Pages 1-19) 
Spider-Girl 044 (Page 15, panels 3 and 5) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB1 (Page 6, panels 2-3) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB2 (Page 9) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB1 (Page 1, panels 2, 4, and 6) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB2 (Page 7, panels 2+) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB3 (Page 9, panel 2 thru Page 10, panel 3) 
Spider-Girl 048-FB3 (Page 10, panels 5-6) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB4 (Page 14, panels 2-4) 
Spider-Girl 049-FB5 (Page 16, panel 3 thru Page 19, panel 4) 
Spider-Girl 007 (Pages 21-22) 
Spider-Girl 032-FB1 (Page 11, panels 2 through 3) 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panel 3) 
Spider-Girl 039-FB (Page 15, panel 4) 
Spider-Girl 040-FB1 (Pages 13-14) 
A-Next 07-FB1 (Page 7, panel 2 through Page 8) 
A-Next 07-FB2 (Pages 12-13) 
A-Next 07-FB3 (Pages 18-19) 
J2 07-FB1 (Pages 6-8) 
Fantastic Five 4-FB1 (Page 5, panel 3 through Page 15 and Pages 18-19) 
Spider-Girl 032-FB2 (Page 14, panels 4 thru 5) 
J2 01 
A-Next 01 
J2 02 
A-Next 02 
Spider-Girl 000 
Spider-Girl 001 
A-Next 03 (Up to Page 20, panel 2) 
J2 03-FB (Page 3 through Page 15, panel 1) 
A-Next 03 (Page 20, panel 3+) 
A-Next 04 
J2 03 (Pages 1-2, Page 15 panel 2 through Page 23) 
Spider-Girl 002 
Spider-Girl 003 
Spider-Girl 004 
Spider-Girl 005 
J2 04 
J2 05 
A-Next 05 
Spider-Girl 006 
Spider-Girl 007 
J2 06 Story 1 
J2 06 Story 2 
J2 06 Story 3 
Spider-Girl 008 
J2 07 Story 1 
J2 07 Story 2 
J2 07 Story 3 
Spider-Girl 009 
J2 08 
Spider-Girl 010 
Spider-Girl 011 
A-Next 06 
J2 09 Story 1 
J2 09 Story 2 
J2 09 Story 3 
A-Next 07 
A-Next 08 
A-Next 09 
A-Next 10 
A-Next 11 
The Buzz 1-FB1 (Page 4, panel 3 thru page 9) 
Spider-Girl 012 
The Buzz 1-FB2 (Page 10) 
The Buzz 1 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 1-8) 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 1 (Pages 1-25) 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 4 (Pages 47 thru 48) 
Spider-Girl Annual 1 Story 5 (Pages 49-55) 
A-Next 12 
Fantastic Five 1 
Wild Thing 0 
Wild Thing 1 
Spider-Girl 013 
Spider-Girl 014 
Spider-Girl 015 
Fantastic Five 2 
Fantastic Five 3 
Fantastic Five 4 
Wild Thing 2 Story 1 
Wild Thing 2 Story 2 
Wild Thing 3 Story 1 
Wild Thing 3 Story 2 
Fantastic Five 5 
Spider-Girl 016 
Wild Thing 4 Story 1 
Wild Thing 4 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 017 
Wild Thing 5 Story 1 
Wild Thing 5 Story 2 
Spider-Girl 018 
Spider-Girl 019 
Spider-Girl 020 
Spider-Girl 021 
Spider-Girl 022 
The Buzz 2 (Pages 9+) 
Spider-Girl 023 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 1-5) 
Spider-Girl 024 
Spider-Girl One-Half 
The Buzz 3 (Pages 6+) 
Spider-Girl 025 
Spider-Girl 026 
Spider-Girl 027 
Spider-Girl 028 
Spider-Girl 029 
Spider-Girl 030 
Spider-Girl 031 
Spider-Girl 032 
Spider-Girl 033 
Spider-Girl 051 
Spider-Girl 034 
Spider-Girl 035 
Spider-Girl 036 
Spider-Girl 037 
Spider-Girl 038 
Spider-Girl 039 
Spider-Girl 040 
Spider-Girl 041 
Spider-Girl 042 
Spider-Girl 043 
Spider-Girl 044 
Spider-Girl 045 
Spider-Girl 046 
Spider-Girl 047 
Spider-Girl 048 
Spider-Girl 049 
Spider-Girl 050 
Spider-Girl 052 
Spider-Girl 053 
Spider-Girl 054 
Spider-Girl 055 
Spider-Girl 056 
Spider-Girl 057 
Spider-Girl 058 
Spider-Girl 059

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:40 pm    Post subject: Oops...
By jimmyflowers

I forgot to mention... 

TT = time travel

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 08:54 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

When you make a post and realize you left something out, made a typo, or anything like that, rather than replying to your own message, just edit the message. The link is to the right, at the top of the message. 

Thanks. 


watching: larry king

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Thread 33

Posted: 18 Feb 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos #5
By ADMINISTRATOR

January, 1964 

Characters appearing: Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, Dino Manelli, "Reb" Ralston, "Izzy" Cohen, Gabe Jones, General Stroheim, Baron Strucker, Captain Sam Sawyer, Pamela Hawley 

"At a secret commando staging area in England," Fury puts his commandos through a grueling training session. He is overcompensating because they lost Junior Juniper in issue 4. 

At the same time, at his castle in Bavaria, Baron Strucker receives orders from General Stroheim and the High Command to defeat Fury in a duel, for propaganda purposes. 

"Sometime later, during one of the Howlers' rare rest periods," Strucker flies over the U.S. camp and issues a challenge to Fury: Meet him on the island of Norsehaven, in the English Channel near Jutland, for a fight to the finish. Fury charages into Captain Sawyer's office and demands transport to Norsehaven. Sawyer refuses, telling Fury his commandos have to be ready for "a big push" coming up soon. 

"Later," Fury takes Pamela to dinner. During the dinner, Fury remembers that he knows a P.T. boat captain who owes him a favor. 

"Later that night," Fury wades ashore in Nornhaven. He is immediately set upon by Strucker's forces. Fury and Strucker agree to engage in a duel, but Strucker has his men drug Fury. Even at that, Fury holds his own in a sword duel, and Strucker's men have to consistently step in and help Strucker. Finally, the drugs take full effect, and Fury passes out. Strucker has photographers film the defeated American. 

"Sometime later," Fury is shoved out of a plane passing over England. When Fury is hauled before Sawyer to explain, Sawyer shows him German newspapers proclaiming Strucker's victory over Fury. Sawyer strips Fury of his rank, busting him back to private. 

An undisclosed period of time later (presumably the next day), Dugan is now in charge of the commandos, including Fury. The others offer to help Fury during their training, but he brushes them off. 

"That same night," Sawyer's "big push" arrives. The commandos are sent into the heavily guarded town of Dortstadt in western Germany. Their mission is to destroy a rocket base. They capture a German mobile howitzer and use it to destroy the base, a radar installation and the planes used for air cover. In the HQ barracks, they find Baron Strucker. Strucker again challenges Fury to a duel, which Fury accepts. Strucker attempts to drug Fury, but thanks to advice from Dino, Fury knows better than to drink the offered wine and proceeds to mop the floor with Strucker. Dugan takes pictures of the defeated Strucker for American propaganda. 

"Later that week, after the commandos have returned" to England, a visiting general, meeting with Sawyer is eager to meet the famous Sgt. Fury. In a panic, Sawyer restores Fury's rank. 

Placement: This story follows pretty closely after issue #4, as Fury and the commandos are still affected by events there. This is the first meeting of Fury and Strucker. The commandos are stationed in England, so one presumes it's before D-Day. Are there any clues in issue #4 that can provide a firmer placement? 


watching: biography

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Thread 34

Posted: 21 Feb 2004 11:25 pm    Post subject: Alpha Flight & Inhumans 98
By Dhall

Alpha Flight & Inhumans 98 

1998 
Plot: Joe Casey 
Script: Steven Seagle & Mark Bernardo 
Pencils: Tom Raney 

This issue occurs between Alpha Flight2 16 and 17. 

Alpha Flight: 
Guardian V (Clone Hudson)( between Alpha Flight2 16 and 17) 
Vindicator (appears in a flashback, which occurs between her appearances in this issue) ( between Alpha Flight2 16 and 17) 
AF 98 
AF98- FB 
AF 98 

Puck( between Alpha Flight2 16 and 17) 
Murmur ( between Alpha Flight2 16 and 18) 
Radius( between Alpha Flight2 16 and 17) 
Flex( between Alpha Flight2 16 and 17) 

Inhumans: 
Black Bolt (appear in fb, which preceeds this issue) 
Medusa (appear in fb, which preceeds this issue) 
Karnak 
Triton 
Gorgon 

Others: 
Other inhumans, Thera, Phadros named 

This issue spans one or two days. 

The caption says that this is Murmurs first trip back into the field after her shooting, which occurred in AF2 12. This and that there is no sasquatch around is why I put it where I did. 
The plot is simple, Alpha Flight saves some fisherman, Heather disappears, AF goes to investigate and meets the Inhumans. A giant statue of Randac, Black Bolts father comes to life and attacks Attilan. (Yeah I know, but I didnt write it) Both teams together manage to stop it. 

Flashbacks: 1) Heather is pulled off course into the Atlantic into a fog where she inhales some pollutants, blacks out and falls into the sea. (She woke up in the Inhumans palace) 
2)A terragen mist ceremony goes wrong, there is an earthquake. (This occurs days ago before the rest of the issue) 



Im not an expert on Inhuman chronology, so Ill leave it to others to figure that out. 

David

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Posted: 22 Feb 2004 01:52 am    
By Kevin W. [DIRECTOR]

What month was this Annual published in '98? I get the feeling that as far as the Inhuman's chronology goes, it probably falls inbetween the Inhuman's appearance in the Quicksilver title, and the start of the Inhumans Vol. 2 miniseries, which lasted for 12 issues. 

If that's the case, then their chronology would look like, (take Blackbolt for instance): 

Blackbolt: 
QS 6 
AF/INH '98-FB 
INH2 1 

Any references to Quicksilver in the comic? Any references to human's attacking Attilan? Unless any big clues are given, I suspect the above example is the best placement, (in between two different storylines).
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With Great Power comes Great Responsibility....or so they say...

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 01:35 pm
By michel

Kevin W. wrote: 
>>>
What month was this Annual published in '98? I get the feeling that as far as the Inhuman's chronology goes, it probably falls inbetween the Inhuman's appearance in the Quicksilver title, and the start of the Inhumans Vol. 2 miniseries, which lasted for 12 issues. 
<<<


It was published in November '98 (cover date, or I should say cover date of the titles published the same month since there was no month cover date on the Annuals), the same month than Inhumans Vol.2 #1. 

Michel

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:02 pm    
By Dhall

I didn't see anything that really narrowed it down, so that's probably a good placement. 

Dave

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Thread 35

Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:52 pm    Post subject: X-Force 88
By Dhall

X-Force 88 
April 1999 

Armageddon Now:Part Two: Blood & Betrayal 


Main Characters: 

Domino 
Cannonball 
Siryn 
Moonstar 
Meltdown 
Sunspot 
Warpath 
Bedlam 

Villains: 
Switch 
King Bedlam 
Paradigm 
Tarot 
Magma 
Feral 
Armageddon Man 

Plot: This issue takes place in a single evening. Domino wakes up in a cellar, and realizes that she is in Switchs body. X-Force shows up at king Bedlams house. Cannonball asks Jesse why he dragged them out there in the middle of the night. Jesse replies that he knows its late, but he wanted them to meet his long lost brother, Christopher. Christopher says he goes by King Bedlam now, and introduces them to the New Hellions: Paradigm, Tarot, and Magma, whom most of the team knows from the New Mutants. Sunspot is surprised to see Tarot alive. Warpath doesnt like Christopher using the Hellion name. Cannonball, understandably confused, calls Magma Amara, which she doesnt like, as its really just the name that Selene gave her. Then Feral jumps out of the shadows, and tells everyone that Domino really Switch endorses Christopher. Christopher tells them to stay the night and think about his ideas. Warpath meets Tarot out in the gazebo, and he tries to convince her to switch sides, while Feral spies on them, but Christopher means too much to her. Christopher tries to recruit Jesse, and shows him the tank with the Armageddon Man in it. Domino, as Switch escapes, and makes her way to the library, where X-Force is gathered, her and Switch fight. Siryn attacks Domino and breaks Switchs concentration, restoring them both to their rightful bodies. Tarot tells King Bedlam that the team must have discovered the ruse, as she sees in the cards. Jesse is torn between loyalty to his brother, and to his friends. X-Force confronts the New Hellions. Magma attacks them, while King Bedlam scrambles Cannonballs mind. Then Paradigm attacks, wrapping the team up in his filaments, thus capturing them. King Bedlam tells them that they are going to a nuclear plant to awaken the Armageddon Man. 


Placement: This issue, quite obviously comes between X-Force 87, and 89. Its not in the MCP, nor is it on the closing the gap page, which is why Im posting it here. 

I do want to make a comment as I see in some of the character listings have both XU 23 and TB 25 listed as between X-Force 87 and 89. I think this is incorrect (and that these issues come before X-Force 87.) 

Lets look at the facts: X-Force 87 (excepting the flashback) takes place in a single evening. Warpath and Siryn wander around in the fog, Jesse and Domino shoot pool at a bar, Meltdown goes out to dinner with her dad, and his new wife. Tarot pulls some cards, and tells Christopher to expect visitors Moonstar and Jennifer Kale go out exploring Moonstars powers under the starry sky. Domino and Jesse investigate a retirement home, where Dabney Saunders (who used to be his parents boss) lives, then they go (on the same evening)to break into the address they get, which turns out to be Christophers house in Santa Lucia. This takes place in one evening. 

In X-Force 88, it is later on the same evening. From my synopsis: X-Force shows up at king Bedlams house. Cannonball asks Jesse why he dragged them out there in the middle of the night. Jesse replies that he knows its late, but he wanted them to meet his long lost brother, Christopher. 

So theres no time for either XU 23 or TB 25 to take place in between these issues. 

XU 23 happens in the daytime, early morning. Xaviers astral body watches while Cannonball, Moonstar, Meltdown, Sunspot, Warpath, and Siryn make breakfast, while Domino plays video games. This doesnt happen between XFor 87 and 88, as there is no intervening morning, and Domino is with Jesse at King Bedlams house. It must therefore happen before XFOR 87, or after 90. 

TB 25 happens at night, there is a tidal wave menacing the Golden Gate bridge, Domino, Cannonball, Sunspot, Warpath, and Siryn attempt to rescue everyone they can. 

This cant happen on the same night, and it cant happen between XFOR 87 and 88, as Domino is with team, when she is supposed to be with Jesse. It doesnt work. TB 25 must happen before XFOR 87 or after XFOR 90. 




David

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:56 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Both issues should occur before XFO #87, as, like you say, there are no gaps in XFO #87-90 -- and by the end of #90 Siryn is out of commission, in the hospital with a slashed throat. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 07:19 pm    
By Dhall

That would agree with the placement that I have. 

David

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 07:39 pm    
By Dhall

There's a related issue I'd also like to bring up. Husk is in XFOR 87. 

Her chronology for the period reads: 
GENX 44 
XFOR 87 
GENX '98 
GENX 48 

Now, she could appear in XFOR 87 between Genx 44 and 48, that's not the problem. It's Gen X '98 that seems out of place to me as in 
Gen X '98 she's taking a train back from visiting her mom, (and brother according to Emma), and gets involved in the wacky Dracula hijinks, 
While in GenX 48, Banshee picks her up from the airport, and it is made quite clear that she hasn't seen Chamber since GenX 44. 

I was going to suggest placement between Gen X 48 and 49, but then I realized that there is snow on the ground in both issues, and Gen X'98 is a Holloween issue with Autumn weather. Due to Paige's abscense this would have to go before Gen X 44. Perhaps between Gen X 43 and 44. 


This would involve moving apps. for Chamber, Jubilee, Skin, Synch, White Queen, Banshee, and Husk. 

David

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 07:45 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

I have Gen X '98 occuring between Gen X #49-50, along with the Gen X Holiday Special. I chose to ignore the "Halloween" reference, Paige's haircut, and the snow on the ground... 

Should this be in the Marvel Universe forum? It's getting fairly general... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 09:27 pm    Post subject: XFOR 87-89, XU 23, and TB 25
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

You're absolutely right, David. There is no way that XU 23 and TB 25 occur between XFOR 87 and 89. They're not even close on my draft calendar for this time period. 

I have TB 25 in early January, XU 23 in late January, and XFOR 87-89 in March. 

You guys are getting ahead of me. I'm still ironing out the kinks in the post-Maximum Security calendar and I find myself checking my first draft of the Crossing to Maximum Security calendar (the next project) to comment on these postings. 

No rest for the chronologists.
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Paul B.

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Thread 36

Posted: 21 Feb 2004 07:43 pm    Post subject: Wolverine: Black Rio
By Dhall

Wolverine: Black Rio 

1998 
Writer: Joe Casey 
Artist: Oscar Jimenez 

Main Character: 
Wolverine (Last in X 0.5, Next in UX 361) 
(Logan takes a short vacation) 

Villains: 
Cyrus Leviticus (vampire) (First and only appearance, dies in this issue) 
Ezra Asher (vampire, Vargas wife) (First and only appearance) 
Various street thugs 

Others: 
Detective Antonio Vargas (Last App. Flashback in this issue, Dies in this issue, no further apps.) 
Omar (old man) 

In Flashback: 
Antonio Vargas (Earliest App., Next App. in the main part of this issue) 
Wolverine 

Where does this occur? Well since Vargas doesnt know about the claws, and since he hasnt seen in Logan in many years (since well before he joined the x-men) and since he spent a year as a bouncer in Rio, this must happen before Logan joined up with the CIA, and before the weapon X project. Vargas is just a normal guy, and hes not that old (early or mid 40s perhaps) so it must happen sometime after the various WW II flashbacks that Logan has from time to time. 

Flashback Synopsis: This is a one panel flashback. 
Years ago, Antonio Vargas owned a bar in Rio named The Devils Grill. For one year, Logan worked there as a bouncer. 

Brief Plot Synopsis: Wolverine takes a vacation in Rio, runs into an old friend, then into some vampire killings. Vargas takes Logan to see some bodies floating in the bay. While there a shark attacks them. Logan pops his claws and kills the shark. Vargas has either never seen Logans claws before, or has only seen them in metal form, as he is surprised when Logan pops them, and mentions that there have been some changes in Logans life. Logan goes to experience carnival, and ends up in a fight with a street gang. This gang is later turned into vampires, by Vargas wife. The next day at his apartment, Vargas wife Ezra (a vampire) kills Vargas. Logan attends his funeral, and then tracks her down. He fights the vampire gang, but is captured by them by use of some toxin. When he comes to a vampire named Cyrus rants at him, then explains that he is not really a vampire, but instead shows Logan his alien symbiote. Ezra comes to taste Logans blood, but he breaks free, and fights her. She escapes. Logan kills the gang, then goes after Cyrus, and kills him and the symbiote. Then he goes and pours some whisky on Antonio Vargas grave, while his wife looks on from the bushes.

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Posted: 21 Feb 2004 09:35 pm    Post subject: Black Rio questions
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

I have to say that I totally missed this one-shot. Thanks for submitting this summary, but I do have a couple of questions. 

Why do you have Logan here between X 0.5 and UX 361? Any clues as far as references to other stories go? Or are you going solely by publication order here? If the latter, we have a bit of wiggle room for placement. Any temporal or calendar references of any kind? (I currently have X 0.5 and UX 361 on consecutive days in early September, a year before 9-11.) 

You state that the issue spans two consecutive days. What are the page/panel ranges for each day?
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Paul B.

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Posted: 21 Feb 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject: Wolverine: Black Rio
By Dhall

There is plenty of wiggle room here. I had placed it by publication order, BUT there are NO references that would place it anywhere in a particular issue range. The usual bone claws, and yellow costume do not narrow placement much. I would try to place it with the comics which came out in 1998, but that is still much wiggle room there. It could even be moved to a different year if needed since that wouldn't violate any references. 

The only temporal reference is that Logan goes to Rio for Carnival. 
I pulled these dates off of a Rio tourism website: 
Carnival Dates: 2002 February 11 and 12 
2003 March 3 and 4 
2004 February 23 and 24 
2005 February 7 and 8 
2006 February 27 and 28 
2007 February 19 and 20 
2008 February 4 and 5 
2009 February 23 and 24 

So you see this is a festival that is usually held in February. 

How much time passes within the issue? Perhaps a week. Logan does the following: 

Day One: 
Flies into Rio in the morning 
meets his friend, the detective 
visits a murder scene 
then goes out in the evening to party for the carnival 

Day Two: 
Meets the detective in the morning 
pursues some leads that turn up nothing 
goes to the tavern with the detective 
takes the detective back home, where he is killed (There is a full moon) 
and Logan is knocked out. 

Day Three: 
The detective's funeral. (There is no mention of how much time passes between 'day two' and the funeral, so I'm just going with days that pass on panel for my numbering system) 
Logan goes to bar 
Logan goes hunting at night (There is a full moon) 
Logan is captured and knocked out. 

Logan escapes, it is still night, the carnival is going full force 
he fights the gang, then Cyrus (There is a full moon) 

Day Four: 
Logan visits his friend's grave, then leaves Rio. 


So in short this takes place over at least four days (plus travel time to and from Rio), there is a full moon on days two and three. It should take place in Feb. or early March, but there is no reference to such a month in the story. The only real reference made to anything is a comment by Logan where he says that since he last saw the detective he's put down some roots in Salem Center, New York. This implies that he is currently living at the X-Mansion, and not in the middle of any major ongoing storyline, which is why I put it where I did. 

If you can come up with a better calender placement for this one by all means do so. 


David

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Posted: 22 Feb 2004 08:41 am    Post subject: Black Rio page/panel references
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

Thank you for this added information. If we take the reference to Carnival in Rio as accurate, then we probably would end up placing this one-shot apart from other comics published in 1998. I'll have to work on this. 

What are the page/panel ranges for the different days shown in Black Rio?
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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 08:42 pm    Post subject: Placement of Black Rio
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

According to my calculations, if we go by publication order, then this issue gets stuck on the calendar in September. But if we are to maintain the integrity of the reference to it being Carnival in Rio, our options are to place this one-shot on the calendar either during the Mardi Gras season after or the Mardi Gras season before that September. 

The big problem with placement after is that it would have to be Wolverine Skrull in this story, and that just doesn't make sense. 

So we go with the Mardi Gras season before the September in question. As it happens, that's the time when Carnival in Rio is depicted in Domino's first mini-series. So maybe we can place Logan AND Domino in Rio during the same Carnival celebration (which I would suggest for the sake of comfortable calendar placement is a week-long celebration before the start of Lent, not just a two-day affair). 

This would place Logan in Black Rio during a time that he's doing a lot of globe-hopping just prior to W2 111. In quick succession, he's in Japan, Canada, and Brazil before returning to Xavier's ever so briefly in W2 111. Fortunately, he does have the yellow costume and bone claws at this point, so there's no problem with that aspect of his personal chronology. 

Now we'd just have to explain how he gets from place to place quickly. Lifts from teammates flying aircraft with Shi'ar technology?
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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 12:00 am 
By Nathan P. Mahney

I think there's already a canon explanation for Wolverine's globe-trotting - Gateway. Doesn't he use Gateway for a few jaunts in WOLVERINE #125? Since then I've assumed that he often travels like this. 

- Nathan P. Mahney -
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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:56 am    Post subject: Gateway
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

Well, that would explain it. Thanks, Nathan. 

Unless anyone has a reason why Black Rio shouldn't happen between W2 110 and 111, I'll place it at that spot on the draft calendar, early in the February following Onslaught.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 02:34 pm    
By Peter Fabricius

Quote: 
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I think there's already a canon explanation for Wolverine's globe-trotting - Gateway. Doesn't he use Gateway for a few jaunts in WOLVERINE #125? Since then I've assumed that he often travels like this. 
<<<


Not that I want to complicate things, but Wolverine is seen getting of a plane in the beginning of the story.
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Only three weeks on the job and already I live for seeing his forehead turn that shade of pink.

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 06:00 pm    Post subject:
By Dhall

I don't think we need to add in a BTS for Gateway for this one, unless he is running an airline! 


Between W2 110 and 11 should work nicely. 
Do we have any preferences as to where exactly it fits? Perhaps Logan really needed a vacation after those Hulk issues...... 

Regardless, it could go anywhere in here: 

W2 110 
X 61 
H2 454 
H2 455 
X '97 
W2 111 

David

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 09:17 pm    Post subject: Black Rio placement
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

You're probably making the assumption that I'm agreeing with the sequence of Logan's appearances as currently listed in the MCP.  

(The calendar effort is not just to take MCP sequences and make them line up on dates, but to use this type of temporal analysis as a way to critique and, hopefully when needed, adjust the published lists.) 

My draft calendar (and I emphasize "draft") has X '97 happening a few months before its current placement. 

Otherwise, here's how the tentative placement works out... 

W2 107 
W2 108 
W2 109 
W2 110 
W:BR 
W2 111 
W2 112 
W2 113 
W2 114 
H2 454 
H2 455 
UX 342 

These issues span a period of nearly three weeks in late January and early February. 

Jeph's reviewing my X-calendar for this time period, so he may have some comments to make on this (did I say) draft.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 09:43 pm    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

AW, dude, don't move X '97. I just had Russ move it there from where HE had it! 

Here's my notes, originally posted here in Febraury of 2001, about placing X '97: 

"I noticed that the MCP has X@'97 occuring between XU 18 and UX 361. This is impossible, because X@'97 has concurrent appearances of Gambit and Joseph as functioning X-Men, and between UX 350 and 361 Gambit had been thrown out  in fact, the X-Men didn't even know if he was alive until UX 361, and by that time Joseph had long since departed the X-Men, in X 73, in the company of Sabra. X@'97 must therefore occur sometime before the X-Men are shanghaid into space by Gladiator in UX 341. For me, the sequence of issues during that time is as follows: 

UX 340: Iceman leaves the X-men to care for his father, beaten at Graydon Creed's orders. 
XF 130: Creed is assassinated. 
X 60-61: a two-part story taking place over one day, shortly after Creed's murder. Cannonball is still officially undercover in his campaign. 
UX 341: Christmas Eve. Cannonball, no longer undercover, fights Gladiator, who spirits half the X-men, including Gambit, to the other side of the galaxy. 

"As Cannonball is back home at the mansion in X@'97, it seems that he is done with his undercover work, so I am placing the annual between X 61 and UX 341. Most of these issues fall into the second gap, but as X@'97 seems to be already posted, I feel it's okay to nitpick." 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 07:11 am    Post subject: No problemo
By Paul Bourcier [DIRECTOR]

Who said anything about moving X '97's placement relative to other X-Men issues? I have X '97 right where you want it -- between X 61 and UX 341. It's just that those W2 and W:BR and H2 issues I listed occur between X '97 and UX 341. 


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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 11:07 am    
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Phew. 

-Jeph!

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Thread 37

Posted: 25 Feb 2004 06:06 pm    Post subject: Magneto Rex
By Dhall

Magneto Rex 2 and 3 are not in the MCP. MR 1 however is, and I belive that it's placement is correct. MR 2 and 3 of course continue on directly from MR 1. 

David 

Magneto Rex #2 

June 1999 


Main Cast: 
Quicksilver 
Rogue 
Amelia Voght 
Magneto 
Ferris 
Fabian Cortez 
Pipeline 
Jennifer Ransome 
Phillip Moreau 
Alda Huxley 

Villains: 
Zealot (Thomas Moreau) 


Others: 
Various UN diplomats 
Various mutates 
Gabrielle Haller

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Posted: 25 Feb 2004 06:14 pm    
By Dhall

Magneto Rex #3 

July 1999 

Main Cast: 
Alda Huxley 
Magneto 
Rogue 
Fabian Cortez 
Quicksilver 
Amelia Voght 
Pipeline 
Jennifer Ransome 
Phillip Moreau 
Ferris 

Villains: 
Zealot (Thomas Moreau) (is named this issue, Is killed by Magneto this issue) 
Apocalypse (Last in Cable2 68) 

Others: 
Gabrielle Haller 
Trish Tilby 
Scarlet Witch 
Iron Man 
Justice 
Various diplomats (Ambassador Wychek named) 
Various protesters 
Various mutates 
Various Genoshans

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Thread 38

Posted: 26 Feb 2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: STARJAM 2-4
By John Simons

STARJAM 1 has already been added to the MCP, so placement of the following issues is a no-brainer; they complete the story. 

STARJAM 2 (Nov. 1995) 
Writer: Warren Ellis 
Artist: Carlos Pacheco 

Appearences by: CH'OD, CORSAIR, CR'REEE, HELEK, HEPZIBAH, KEEYAH, LILANDRA, RAZA, T'CAHR 

In addition, there are two FB panels of Raza as he explains his pre-Starjammer past: 
On page 16, panel 2 we see him with other soldiers of his race, brandishing his sword on a battlefield against the Shi'ar. 
On page 16, panel 3, we see him on a medical table after capture, being transformed with cybernetic parts. 

Page 13 panel 2 is a FB to the Starjammer's (the ship, that is) arrival at Standing Still, leaking energy after a firefight with a Shi'ar combat wing. According to Helek, this occured "over a year" before the current story. Presumably Corsair, Hepzibah, Ch'od, Cr'reee and Raza are on board. I'm not sure if this qualifies as an appearence or a BTS or what. 

Finally, the first panel of page 9 depicts various ministers and advisors to Lilandra; I have no idea whether these are inconsequential "extras", or whether any of them have appeared elsewhere. I be happy to send along a scan of the panel if it would help. 

Synopsis: The issue opens with the Uncreated ships blowing up some more Shi'ar ships while sending the message "Recant". On Chandilar, Lilandra believes that the Uncreated are a fundamentalist species who will not tolerate any other species' religions. She orders the Empire to prepare for war and charges Minister of Peace T'Cahr with the defense. Meanwhile, the Starjammers are headed for a colony world called Daimon, but when they arrive they find a Shi'ar strikeforce orbiting the world. Corsair orders the ship into a nearby nebula which will hide them from scans. Unfortunately, there is also a damaged Uncreated vessel in the nebula, which fires on them. They destroy the attacker, but the Starjammer is badly damaged and dead in space. 


STARJAM 3 (Dec. 1995) 
Writer: Warren Ellis 
Artist: Carlos Pacheco 

Appearences by: CH'OD, CORSAIR, CR'REEE, HELEK, HEPZIBAH, KEEYAH, LILANDRA, RAZA, and T'CAHR 

Synopsis: Ch'od and Keeyah use "mirrorthrowers" to create a holographic illusion that their ship is still in one piece. Hepzibah enjoys fighting the Shi'ar, but Corsair bitches and moans that he doesn't want to be a pirate anymore, he wants to settle down. Ch'od examines a cultural artifact ("some combination between a log-book, a political tool, and a Bible") recovered from the debris of the Uncreated vessel. The Starjammer is somewhat repaired but still lacks faster-than-light drive. They drops some disruption bombs in the nebula, which lights up the gas and causes an explosion which kick-starts their shunt drive, allowing them to escape the system. Back on Standing Still, Ch'od unlocks info about the Uncreated from the artifact. He explains that the Uncreated actually slew their own god, and they consider any race with religion backward. They are "the most violent athesists ever." 


STARJAM 4 (Jan. 1996) 
Writer: Warren Ellis 
Artist: Carlos Pacheco 

Appearences by: CH'OD, CORSAIR, CR'REEE, ELECTRON, FANG II, GLADIATOR, HELEK, HEPZIBAH, KEEYAH, LILANDRA, NIGHTSIDE, ORACLE, RAZA, SCINTILLA, SMASHER IV, STARBOLT, T'CAHR, TEMPEST, TITAN 

The various Imperial Guard members appear here after Operation: Galactic Storm but prior to Onslaught and their adventures in the GUARD limited series. 

Synopsis: Corsair mulls over how to use the information gleaned from the Uncreated artifact. A triumphant Shi'ar could lead to them becoming even more powerful and domineering, but allowing them to fall could leave no one to challenge the Phalanx. He rejects Hepzibah's undying lust for vengeance against the Shi'ar and argues that they should retire. T'Cahr agrues to Lilandra that the Jammers are traitors who should be exterminated. The two of them and the Imperial Guard accompany the Shi'ar armada which sets up a defensive line against the remaining two Uncreated ships-- in the system of Standing Still, where the Jammers are hiding out. Lilandra is concerned that battle so close to the planet will make it uninhabitable for its citizens, but T'Cahr dismisses her arguments. The Starjammers conceive of a plan to defuse the situation, which Hepzibah nearly ruins by trying to arm the ship guns and preemptively strike the Shi'ar. However, Corsair has anticipated this and had her station disabled. Using the ship's mirrorthrowers, Keeyah creates a massive holo of the Uncreated's late god, tricking them into believing that it has returned to life. The Uncreated are gripped with terror and feelings of inferiority, and so commit suicide by self-destructing their ships. T'Cahr orders the armada to destroy the Starjammer, but Lilandra countermands the order and has him arrested for treason. Helek contacts Lilandra and uses the Shi'ar's unwanted presence in Clench space as blackmail material to convince her to back off their planet and leave its citizens alone. Corsair thinks that he and Hepzibah will work through their problems, and feels this is probably the last voyage of the Starjammer. Meanwhile, a Phalanx vessel approaches the Earth...

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Thread 39

Posted: 23 Feb 2004 11:09 pm    Post subject: XC 44/2 s/b CX 44/2
By Dhall

Very minor bug: 

ROGUE 
XC 44/2 

According to the key, Classic X-Men s/b CX, not XC. 

(Told you it was minor)

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Posted: 23 Feb 2004 11:39 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Thanks. 

Is this a bug in Rogue's listing, or the Key? In other words, I know at some point, Classic X-Men was renamed X-Men Classic. Was this before or after the title was renamed? 

Oh and congratulations on being our first Minion. 


watching: my big fat obnoxious fiance

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 01:55 am
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

#44 was the title's last issue as "Classic X-Men" -- it became "X-Men Classic" with #45. 

I have it in front of me right now, weirdly enough, as I'm doing research on the history of Scott and Jean's relationship. 

Is THIS what the "bug" page is for? Wow, I thought it was for reporting glitches as we worked out how to use the new Posting Board. Heh. If we can post typos or other MCP format whoopsies here, then I've got a million "bugs" to share, yes I do... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Feb 2004 05:55 pm    
By Dhall

It's a bug in Rogue's listing. The title became X-Men Classic with #45, of course after that it stopped having back-up stories, so there wouldn't be anything for the MCP to index. 

And thanks I guess, I'm not sure what "minion" status entails, but it's nice to get there first.

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Thread 40

Posted: 26 Feb 2004 10:01 pm    Post subject: Archives problem; the last two do not open
By Scathach80

The last two archives do not open. There is often some great discussions in those archives, so I thought you should know.

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 10:26 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Thanks. 

Try them now. 


watching: angel

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Thread 41

Posted: 26 Feb 2004 12:11 am    Post subject: The missing links!
By jephyork [DIRECTOR]

Hey, strangely enough, the links in the sidebar on the FAQ and Closing the Gap pages link to the *old* message board, not the new one. 

Secondly, I don't know if this is a transient problem or not, since the pages are new -- but not every page has direct-links to the Hulk, Iron Man, or Ultimate Universe pages in their sidebar. The FAQ, in particular, is missing all three. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 26 Feb 2004 11:30 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Done. Thanks! 


watching: dennis miller
