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Thread 1

Posted: 29 Jun 2006 08:24 am    Post subject: 1950's question
By Enda80

The canoncity of Golden Age stories has gotten debated. However, since the Golden Age ended with All-Star Comics#57 (March 1951)* any comic book published after that is not a Golden Age issue, so are Venus, Marvel Boy, Sub-Mariner, Human Torch, etc. stories from then considered automatically canonical to Earth-616? 

By the way, the appearance of Thor would have to be canonical in this case, since it came out in April 1951. 

*Last appearance of the JSA till Flash I#129 and #137.

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Posted: 29 Jun 2006 11:33 am    
By rhod

There was a discussion last week about comic ages, not once was March 51 mentioned as the specific end of the Golden Age. 
Personally, I always considered the term Golden Age to encompass anything pre-Silver Age (otherwise you need yet another 'age' to fill the gap) 

Besides which, DC's comics have no relevance to Marvel chronology (last appearance of the JSA? So what?)
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Posted: 29 Jun 2006 12:07 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Quote: 
DC's comics have no relevance to Marvel chronology (last appearance of the JSA? So what?) 

Welcome to the nutty world of Enda80. 

Nothing is "automatically" Earth-616 canon until after FF #1, the start of the Marvel Age. Marvel seems to be welcoming large swaths of their 1940s-50s monster and hero stories into the canon, but I wouldn't say it's *all* "automatically" canon. Each story deserves a good hard individual looking-at, I think, before we make any conclusions. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 29 Jun 2006 12:31 pm    
By Jason Doty

rhod wrote 
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Personally, I always considered the term Golden Age to encompass anything pre-Silver Age (otherwise you need yet another 'age' to fill the gap)  
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I think this age inbetween the Golden and Silver Age is now being considered "The Atlas Era" in regards to Marvel Comics. 

This is the route the Marvel Masterworks seem to be taking anyway.

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Posted: 29 Jun 2006 01:45 pm    
By Enda80

Collectors generally start the Golden Age with Action Comics#1, the first appearance of Superman, who is a DC character. Therefore, there is some precedence with ending the Golden Age due to developments related to DC characters.

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Posted: 29 Jun 2006 04:32 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Enda80 wrote: 
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The canoncity of Golden Age stories has gotten debated. 
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The general consensus of the pre-FF stories seems to be that they're canonical unless there is some reason that they couldn't occur on Earth-616. The stories might not have occurred exactly as written, but for the most part, the Atlas and Timely stories that are set in the present or the past seem to have been accepted as canonical until proven otherwise. 

-Sean

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Posted: 29 Jun 2006 04:50 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

See the FAQ for our policy on Golden Age stories. 


watching: lou dobbs

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Posted: 30 Jun 2006 11:42 am
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Enda80 wrote: 
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The canoncity of Golden Age stories has gotten debated. However, since the Golden Age ended with All-Star Comics#57 (March 1951)* any comic book published after that is not a Golden Age issue, so are Venus, Marvel Boy, Sub-Mariner, Human Torch, etc. stories from then considered automatically canonical to Earth-616? 
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I think you're missing the point. The dividing line has nothing to do with the Golden Age. The dividing line is FF 1, the beginning of the modern Marvel Universe. Everything before that wasn't published by Marvel-as-we-know-it, but by forerunner companies. That's why there was (at one point) some doubt as to its canonicity, although by this point it's long settled that Marvel accepts the comics published by its 1930s, 1940s and 1950s predecessors as canonical.
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Posted: 30 Jun 2006 06:24 pm
By ShadZ

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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although by this point it's long settled that Marvel accepts the comics published by its 1930s, 1940s and 1950s predecessors as canonical. 
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Yes, but a different level of cannon. Post-FF #1 stories are cannon -- no ifs, ands or buts (if they aren't cannon, someone at Marvel will say so -- or will clue you in using changes in formats or imprints). Pre-FF#1 stories are presumed cannon, but if becomes obvious that they can't fit, they can be quietly ignored with no public statement.
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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 06:11 am  
By Somebody

Cannon = thing you shoot circus acrobats out of (or cannonballs) 
Canon = various definitions, but including "the series of events which make up a history," which is what we're talking about here.

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 07:28 am    
By Dhall

Note that both are valid words, so this distinction will NOT be caught by your spell checker....

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Thread 2

Posted: 01 Jul 2006 06:22 am    Post subject: Infinity War chronology
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Someone (not Somebody) asked for a breakdown of the chronology for the Infinity War off-board, so I thought I'd just post my old notes on it. If your mileage varies, please chime in. 


FANTASTIC FOUR #366 (pages 1-6) 
(probably six days after CA 408 1st; shortly after FF 365; probably Friday) 
Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Mr. Fantastic, Human Torch II, Thing, Invisible Woman, Tattletale, Alicia Masters, Puppet Master 

INFINITY WAR #1 (page 1-page 6, panel 2) 
(same night as FF 366 pg. 1-6; probably a Friday night) 
Thanos 

WONDER MAN #10 
(must be same night as IW 1 pg. 1-6; may be more than "days" after CA 401 beg; probably a Friday night) 
Wonder Man, Auteur, Stat, Dreamer, Lotus, Armed Response, Angkor 

WONDER MAN #11 
(same night as WM 10; full moon; probably a Friday night) 
Wonder Man, Auteur, Stat, Dreamer, Snap, Glamour Girl, Buff, Visionary, Attractive Lad, Angkor, Lotus, (Scarlet Witch), (Armed Response) 

WONDER MAN #12 (pages 1-3) 
(same night as WM 11; probably a Friday night) 
Wonder Man, Auteur, Stat, Dreamer, Snap, Glamour Girl, Buff, Visionary, Attractive Lad 

SPIDER-MAN #24 (beginning) 
(same night as IW 1 pg. 1-6; probably a Friday night) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, Spider-Man Doppelganger, Hobgoblin II 

INFINITY WAR #1 (page 6, panel 3-page 15, panel 3) 
(same night as SM 24 beg; probably after CP 5 FB end; probably a Friday night, even though Tony Stark says he just spent a weekend in Las Vegas; snow in north country) 
Spider-Man, Spider-Man Doppelganger, Galactus, Nova II, Eternity, Iron Man, Iron Man Doppelganger, Thanos, Wolverine, Wolverine Doppelganger, Dr. Doom 

FANTASTIC FOUR #366 (end)/INFINITY WAR #1 (page 15, panel 4-page 17, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 1 pg. 6-15; probably a Friday night) 
Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Spider-Man Doppelganger, Mr. Fantastic, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Human Torch II, Thing, Ms. Marvel II, Invisible Woman, Devos, Paibok, Lyja 

INFINITY WAR #1 (page 17, panel 4-page 24, panel 4) 
(same night as FF 366 end and IW pg. 15-17; probably a Friday night) 
Thanos, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Iron Man, Iron Man Doppelganger, Wolverine, Wolverine Doppelganger, Galactus, Nova II 

SPIDER-MAN #24 (middle) 
(same night as IW pg. 6-24; probably a Friday night) 
Spider-Man, Hobgoblin II, Demogoblin, Spider-Man Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #1 (page 24, panel 5) 
(same night as SM 24 mid; probably a Friday night) 
Spider-Man, Spider-Man Doppelganger 

SPIDER-MAN #24 (end) 
(same night as IW 1 pg. 24, pn. 5; probably a Friday night) 
Spider-Man, Spider-Man Doppelganger, Demogoblin 

INFINITY WAR #1 (pages 25-page 32, panel 2) 
(same night as SM 24 end; probably a Friday night) 
Iron Man, Iron Man Doppelganger, Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger, Magus, Strong Guy Doppelganger, Thor Doppelganger, Thing Doppelganger, Puck Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger, Beast Doppelganger, Speedball Doppelganger, Triton Doppelganger, Black Knight Doppelganger, She-Hulk Doppelganger, Human Torch Doppelganger, Black Widow Doppelganger, Hulk Doppelganger, Captain America Doppelganger, Polaris Doppelganger, Karnak Doppelganger, Nova Doppelganger, Quasar Doppelganger, Vision Doppelganger, Hercules Doppelganger, Cyclops Doppelganger, Wolfsbane Doppelganger, Sasquatch Doppelganger, Professor X Doppelganger, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Vision, Hercules, Crystal, Black Widow, Captain America, Black Knight III, Beast, Archangel, Gambit, Iceman, Psylocke, Colossus, Marvel Girl, Storm, Cyclops, Rogue, Forge 

FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (pages 1-15) 
(same night as IW pg. 25-32; probably a Friday night) 
Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Colossus, Marvel Girl, Cyclops, Beast, Rogue, Thing, Ms. Marvel II, Puppet Master, Thing Doppelganger, Tattletale, Wolverine 

INFINITY WAR #1 (page 35, panel 3) 
(same night as FF 367 pg. 1-15; probably a Friday night) 
Speedball, Namorita, Firestar, Silhouette, Nova, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger 

WONDER MAN #12 (pages 4-5)/INFINITY WAR #1 (page 33, panel 1) 
(same day as IW 1 pg 32, pn. 3; full moon; probably a Friday night) 
Wonder Man, Dr. Pym, U.S. Agent, Living Lightning, Spider-Woman II, Scarlet Witch, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #1 (page 33, panel 2) 
(same day as WM 12 pgs. 4-5 and IW 1 pg. 33, pn. 1; probably a Friday night) 
Valerie Cooper, Havok, Quicksilver, Polaris, Strong Man, Madrox, Wolfsbane 

ALPHA FLIGHT #109 (2nd story: beginning) 
(same night as IW 1 pags. 25-33; probably a Friday night) 
Witchfire, Persuasion, Laura Dean, Goblyn, Dreamqueen, Guardian II, Puck, Northstar, Aurora, Sasquatch, Wildheart, Diamond Lil, Box II, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #1 (page 33, panel 3-page 35, panel 1) 
(same night as AF 109 2nd mid; probably a Friday night) 
Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Guardian II, Puck, Northstar, Aurora, Sasquatch, Wildheart, Dr. Strange, Dr. Doom, Kang 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #7 (beginning) 
(same night as IW 1 pg. 33-35; probably Friday -- not yet night on Monster Isle) 
Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon, Mole Man 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #7 (end)/INFINITY WAR #1 (page 35, panel 2-page 38) 
(same night as WATIW 7 beg; probably Friday) 
Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon, Mole Man, (Diamond Lil), (Box II) 

WONDER MAN #12 (pages 6-22) 
(same night as WM pgs. 4-5; probably a Friday night) 
Wonder Man, Auteur, Stat, Dreamer, Snap, Glamour Girl, Buff, Visionary, Attractive Lad, Angkor 

DR. STRANGE III #42 
(same night as DS Ann 2 5th and IW 1; probably a Friday night) 
Dr. Strange, Clea, Rintrah, Flyx, Nova II, Galactus, Silver Surfer 

SILVER SURFER III #67 
(same night as DSIII 42; after SS Ann 5 xx; probably a Friday night) 
Silver Surfer, Starfox, Firelord, Nebula, Geatar, Mentor, Magus 

DR. STRANGE III #43 
(same night as SSIII 67; probably a Friday night) 
Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Nova II, Galactus, Rintrah, Clea, Flyx, Agamotto, Hoggoth, Oshtur 

FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (page 16) 
(same night as DSIII 43; full moon; probably a Friday night) 
Invisible Woman, Thing 

DEATHLOK #16 
(must be same night as FF 367 pg. 16; probably a Friday night) 
Deathlok, Deathlok Doppelganger, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger 

ALPHA FLIGHT #109 (2nd story: end) 
(morning after AF 109 2nd beg and IW 1 end; probably a Saturday morning) 
Witchfire, Goblyn, Laura Dean, Persuasion, Windshear, Manikin, Talisman II, (Guardian II), (Puck), (Northstar), (Aurora), (Sasquatch), (Wildheart) 

AVENGERS #350 (2nd story) 
(must be same morning as AF 109 2nd end; probably a Saturday morning) 
Jarvis, Marilla, Luna, Vision, Captain America, Black Widow, Black Knight III, Hercules, Sersi 

ALPHA FLIGHT #110 (pages 1-5 and 9) 
(same morning as AF 109 2nd end and CA 250 2nd; probably a Saturday morning) 
Master, Sasquatch, Northstar, Puck, Sersi, Hercules, Black Knight III, Strong Man, Hulk, Captain America, Windshear, Guardian II, Box II, Speedball, Iceman 

FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (pages 17-18)/INFINITY WAR #2 (page 1-page 2, panel 1) 
(same morning as AF 110 pg. 1-5 & 9; probably a Saturday morning) 
Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Black Knight III, Hercules, Black Widow, Thor II, Black Cat, Marvel Girl, Psylocke, Gambit, Hulk, Speedball, She-Hulk, Vision, Wasp, Firestar, Nova, Silhouette, Namorita, Cyclops, Havok, Darkhawk, Daredevil 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 2, panel 2-page 5, panel 4) 
(same morning as FF 367 pg. 17-18; probably a Saturday morning) 
Thing, Human Torch II, Mr. Fantastic, Captain America, Professor X, Hulk, Dr. Pym, Moon Knight, Madrox, Aurora, Wildheart, Northstar, Quicksilver, Colossus, Iceman, Archangel, Sasquatch, Gambit, Puck, Strong Man, Forge, Rogue, Wolfsbane, Polaris, Guardian II, Psylocke, Quasar, U.S. Agent, Black Knight III, Speedball, Thor II, Black Widow, Hercules, Vision, Wasp, Firestar, Silhouette, Nova, She-Hulk, Namorita, Living Lightning, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Beast, Daredevil, Darkhawk, Cyclops, Havok, Storm, Marvel Girl, Dr. Doom, Kang 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 5, panels 5-6)/SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #4 (page 1) 
(same morning as IW 2 pg. 2-5; probably a Saturday morning) 
Dr. Doom, Kang 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #4 (pages 2-3) 
(same morning as SS&WP 4 pg. 1; probably a Saturday morning) 
Dr. Doom, Kang, Dr. Doom Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 5, panel 7-page 26, panel 3) 
(same morning as SS&WP 4 pg. 2-3; probably a Saturday morning) 
Thanos, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon, Drax the Destroyer, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Dr. Doom, Kang, Galactus, Nova II, Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Hulk, Captain America, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Black Widow, Professor X, Scarlet Witch, Nova, Thor II, Wasp, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Hawkeye Doppelganger, Iron Man Doppelganger, Death, Gambit, Cyclops, Colossus, Puck, Storm, Wonder Man, Crystal, Vision, Black Knight III, She-Hulk, Quasar, Rogue, Dr. Pym, Speedball, Hercules, U.S. Agent, Darkhawk, Aurora, Sasquatch 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 26, panel 4-page 28, panel 3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (page 19, panel 1) 
(same morning as IW 2 pgs. 2-26; probably a Saturday morning) 
Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Captain America, Hercules, Black Widow, Wonder Man, Storm, Colossus, Psylocke, Cyclops, Sasquatch, Hulk, Darkhawk, Nova, Puck, Beast, Professor X, Dr. Pym, Namorita, U.S. Agent, Thor II, Daredevil, Crystal, Forge, Marvel Girl, Spider-Woman II, Vision, Rogue, Madrox, Strong Man, Silhouette, Speedball, Havok, Archangel, Quicksilver, Black Knight III, Thing, Human Torch II, Polaris, Wolverine, Iron Man Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 28, panel 4-page 31, panel 2) 
(same morning as IW 2 pg. 26-28; probably a Saturday morning) 
Drax the Destroyer, Gamora, Adam Warlock, Thanos, Pip, Moondragon, Death, Iron Man Doppelganger, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Thor II, Wolverine, Cyclops, Vision, Mockingbird, U.S. Agent, Storm, Nova, Mole Man 

FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (page 19, panel 2) 
(same morning as IW 2 pg. 28-30; probably a Saturday morning) 
Invisible Woman 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 31, panels 3-6)/FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (page 19, panel 3) 
(same morning as FF 367 pg. 19, pn. 2; probably a Saturday morning) 
Captain America, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Iron Man Doppelganger, Human Torch II, Wonder Man, Vision, Psylocke, Thor II, Wolverine, Daredevil, Strong Man, Scarlet Witch, Hulk, Rogue, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Gambit, Iceman, Madrox, Spider-Woman II 

FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (page 19, panel 4) 
(same morning as IW pg. 31; probably a Saturday morning) 
Invisible Woman 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 32, panel 1-page 34, panel 3) 
(same morning as FF 367 pg. 19, pn. 4; probably a Saturday morning) 
Sasquatch, Darkhawk, Vision, Hercules, Scarlet Witch, Firestar, U.S. Agent, Iron Man Doppelganger, Captain America, Daredevil, Wolverine, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Black Widow, Nova, Hulk, Colossus, Wildheart, Shaman, Guardian II, Wonder Man, Archangel, She-Hulk, Crystal, Black Knight III, Beast, Human Torch II, Aurora, Iceman, Rogue, Thing, U.S. Agent, Scarlet Witch, Speedball, Namorita, Professor X, Marvel Girl, Strong Man, Madrox, Gambit, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Gamora, Pip, Moondragon, Mole Man 

MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 1, panels 1-4) 
(same morning as IW pg. 32-34; probably a Saturday morning) 
Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Iron Man Doppelganger, Hulk, Daredevil, Scarlet Witch, Moon Knight, Puck, Wolverine, Cyclops, Colossus, Marvel Girl, Gambit 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 34, panel 4-page 37, panel 3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (page 20, panel 1)/MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 1, panel 5) 
(same morning as MKII 41 pg. 1; probably a Saturday morning) 
Living Lightning, Wasp, Captain America, Strong Man, Nova, Wolverine, Wonder Man, Daredevil, Thor II, Human Torch II, Rogue, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Iron Man Doppelganger, Hulk, Hercules, Marvel Girl, Havok, Psylocke, Forge, Gambit, Beast, Colossus, Spider-Woman II, Northstar, Black Knight III, Madrox, Cyclops, Quicksilver, Vision, Nova, Iceman, Thing, U.S. Agent, Speedball, Wolfsbane 

MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 2-page 11, panel 6) 
(same morning as IW 2 pg. 34-37; probably a Saturday morning) 
Gambit, Jubilee, Wonder Man, Captain America, Iron Man Doppelganger, Scarlet Witch, Hulk, Colossus, Wildheart, Vision, Invisible Woman, Crystal, U.S. Agent, Sasquatch, Puck, Cyclops, Thing, Beast, Hercules, She-Hulk, Black Widow, Black Knight III, Daredevil, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Banshee, Thor II, Strong Man, Moon Knight, Iceman, Human Torch II, Speedball, Guardian II, Wasp, Rogue, Forge, Quicksilver, Northstar, Storm, Wolverine, Archangel, Darkhawk, Nova, Psylocke, Sersi, Madrox 

WONDER MAN #13 (pages 1-2) 
(same morning as MKII 41 pg. 2-11; probably a Saturday morning) 
Beast, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Hulk, Scarlet Witch, Colossus, Havok, Captain America, Darkhawk, Wonder Man, Wolverine, Iron Man Doppelganger, U.S. Agent, Rogue, Strong Man, (Iceman) 

FANTASTIC FOUR #367 (page 20, panel 2-page 22, panel 2)/INFINITY WAR #2 (page 37, panel 4-page 38, panel 1)/WONDER MAN #13 (page 3, panel 1)/MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 11, panel 7-page 12, panel 1) 
(same morning as WM 13, pg. 1-2; probably a Saturday morning) 
Invisible Woman, Hulk, Wolverine, Nova, Rogue, U.S. Agent, Cyclops, Strong Man, Thing, Speedball, Gambit, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Wolfsbane, Beast, Firestar, Vision, Colossus, Iron Man Doppelganger, Black Knight III, Spider-Woman II, Quicksilver, Wasp, Quasar, Thor II, Hercules, Sasquatch, Iceman, Puck, Captain America, Havok, Madrox, Storm, Nova, Darkhawk, Polaris, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Moon Knight 

INFINITY WAR #2 (page 38, panel 2-page 40) 
(same morning as FF 367 pg. 20-22; probably a Saturday morning) 
Pip, Moondragon, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger 

WONDER MAN #13 (page 3, panels 2-3) 
(same morning as IW 2, pg. 38-40; probably a Saturday morning) 
Wonder Man 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 1) 
(same morning as WM 13 pg. 3; probably a Saturday morning) 
Invisible Woman, Thing, Hulk 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 1-page 3, panel 1)/WONDER MAN #13 (page 4, panels 1-2)/MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 12, panels 2-3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 2, panels 1-2) 
(same morning as FF 368 pg. 1; probably a Saturday morning) 
Thor II, Invisible Woman, Thing, Colossus, Hulk, Hercules, Nova, She-Hulk, Firestar, Wonder Man, Beast, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Scarlet Witch, Black Knight III, Crystal, Madrox, Daredevil, Namorita, Captain America, Gambit, Polaris, Puck, Strong Man, Moon Knight, Wolverine, Professor X, Vision, Human Torch II, Wasp, Rogue, Speedball 

WONDER MAN #13 (page 4, panels 3-5) 
(same morning as IW 3 pg. 1-3; probably a Saturday morning) 
Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch, Nova 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 2, panel 3)/INFINITY WAR #2 (page 4, panel 2) 
(same morning as WM 13 pg. 4; probably a Saturday morning) 
Thor II 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 3) 
(same morning as FF 368 pg. 2, pn. 3; probably a Saturday morning) 
Thor II, Sasquatch, Iron Man Doppelganger, Colossus, Beast, Thing, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Human Torch II, Hulk 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 3, panel 3-page 4, panel 1)/FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 4, panels 1-2) 
(same morning as FF 368 pg. 3; probably a Saturday morning) 
Thor II, Thing, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Beast, Sasquatch, Iron Man Doppelganger, Invisible Woman, She-Hulk, Wolverine, Darkhawk, Captain America, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Colossus 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 4, panel 2)/WONDER MAN #13 (page 4, panels 6-7)/MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 12, panel 4)/FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 4, panel 3) 
(same morning as IW 3 pg. 3-4; probably a Saturday morning) 
Thanos Doppelganger, Magus, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Iron Man Doppelganger, Sasquatch, Beast, Colossus, Thing, Invisible Woman 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 4, panel 4) 
(same morning as WM 13, pg. 4, pn. 6-7; probably a Saturday morning) 
Vision, Thing, Beast, Invisible Woman, Darkhawk, Captain America, Sasquatch, Wonder Man, She-Hulk, Hulk 

WONDER MAN #13 (page 5, panels 1-2) 
(same morning as FF 368 pg. 4, pn. 4; probably a Saturday morning) 
Gambit, Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch, Wolverine, Speedball, Marvel Girl, Thor II 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 4, panel 3-page 5, panel 4) 
(same morning as WM 13 pg. 5, pn. 1; probably a Saturday morning) 
Darkhawk, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Thor II, Human Torch II, Invisible Woman, Wolverine, Colossus, Beast, Thing, Moon Knight, Captain America, Wonder Man, Cyclops, Speedball, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Puck, Gambit, Dr. Pym, Hulk, Nova, Shaman 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (pages 5-6) 
(same morning as IW 3 pg. 4-5; probably a Saturday morning) 
Wasp, Namorita, Rogue, Captain America, Puck, Strong Man, Invisible Woman, Scarlet Witch, Human Torch II, Daredevil, Sasquatch, Colossus, Thing, Hulk, Nova, Speedball, Firestar, Black Widow, Darkhawk, Thor II, Wonder Man 

MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 12, panels 5-6) 
(same morning as FF 368 pg. 5-6; probably a Saturday morning) 
Moon Knight, Psylocke, Gambit, Sasquatch, Captain America, Thing 

WONDER MAN #13 (page 5, panel 3-page 6, panel 7) 
(same morning as MKII pg. 12; probably a Saturday morning) 
Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch, Auteur, Dreamer 

QUASAR #37 (pages 1-18) 
(same day as Q 36 and WM 13 pg. 5-6; must be Saturday) 
Quasar, Makkari, Her, Contemplator, Caregiver, Captain America, Epoch, Quagmire, Chief Examiner, Anthropomorpho, Infinity, Eternity, Anomaly 

SILVER SURFER III #68 
(same day as Q 37 pg. 1-18; probably Saturday) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Nova II, Galactus, Khoon 

SILVER SURFER III #69 
(same day as SSIII 68; probably Saturday) 
Silver Surfer, Nova II, Dr. Strange, Khoon, Galactus, Nebula, Geatar, Morg? 

DR. STRANGE III #44 
(same day as SSIII 69; probably Saturday) 
Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Nova II, Galactus, Cyttorak 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #4 (pages 4-8) 
(same day as DSIII 44; probably a Saturday) 
Silver Sable, Dr. Doom Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 5, panel 5-page 6, panel 2) 
(same day as SS&WP 4 pg. 4-8; probably a Saturday) 
Galactus, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Nova II 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 6, panel 3-page 7, panel 2)/SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #4 (page 9, panels 1-3) 
(same day as IW 3, pg. 5-6; probably a Saturday) 
Dr. Doom, Kang 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #4 (page 9, panel 4) 
(same day as IW 3, pg. 6-7; probably a Saturday) 
Dr. Doom, Kang 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 7, panel 3-page 8, panel 5) 
(same day as SS&WP 4, pg. 9; probably a Saturday) 
Drax the Destroyer, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon, Thanos Doppelganger 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #4 (pages 10-22) 
(same day as IW 3, pg. 7-8; probably a Saturday) 
Sandman, Crippler, Quentino, Silver Sable, Dr. Doom Doppelganger, Dr. Doom Robot, Powell, Battlestar, Sandman Doppelganger 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #5 (pages 1-3) 
(same day as SS&WP 4, pg. 10-22; probably a Saturday) 
Silver Sable, Dr. Doom Doppelganger, Dr. Doom Robot 

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #28 
(same day as SS&WP 5; probably a Saturday) 
Dr. Octopus, Oddball, Titania II, Absorbing Man, Jackhammer, Powderkeg, Yellowjacket II, Nikki, Starhawk, Major Victory, Talon, Charlie 27, Jarvis, Fabian Stankowicz, Michael O'Brien, Peggy Carter, Starhawk Doppelganger, Gargantua, Puff Adder, Shocker, (Wasp) 

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #29 
(same day as GOTG 28; probably a Saturday) 
Charlie 27, Talon, Major Victory, Nikki, Yellowjacket II, Dr. Octopus, Gargantua, Shocker, Puff Adder, Starhawk, Starhawk II, Starhawk Doppelganger, Gargantua Doppelganger, Puff Adder Doppelganger, Yellowjacket Doppelganger, Major Victory Doppelganger, Nikki Doppelganger, Dr. Octopus Doppelganger, Shocker Doppelganger, Charlie 27 Doppelganger, Talon Doppelganger, Jarvis 

ALPHA FLIGHT #110 (pages 6-8 and pages 10-22) 
(same night as GOTG 29; a "Saturday night") 
Talisman, Miss Mass, Sinew, Strongarm, Bile, Brain Drain, Manikin, Persuasion, Witchfire, Goblyn, Laura Dean, Northstar, Guardian II, Puck, Box II, Aurora, Wolverine, Wildheart, Shaman, Cyclops, Sasquatch, Firebug, Windshear 

WONDER MAN #13 (page 7, panel 1-page 20, panel 1) 
(same night as AF 110 pg. 6-8 &10-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch, Thor II, Captain America, Beast, Wolverine, Black Knight III, Madrox, Hercules, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Wonder Man Doppelganger, Stat, Snap, Lotus 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 9, panels 1-2) 
(same night as WM 13, pg. 7-20; probably a Saturday night) 
Invisible Woman, Dr. Pym, Vision, Captain America, Wonder Man, Black Cat 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 9, panels 3-6)/WONDER MAN #13 (page 20, panels 2-3) 
(same night as IW 3, pg. 9, pn. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Captain America, Wonder Man, Black Cat, Human Torch II, Thing, Dr. Pym, Invisible Woman, Vision 

WONDER MAN #13 (page 20, panel 4) 
(same night as WM 13, pg. 20, pn. 2-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Thing 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 10, panel 1)/WONDER MAN #13 (page 21, panel 1) 
(same night as WM 13, pg. 20, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Invisible Woman, Vision, Dr. Pym, Human Torch II, Wonder Man, Thing 

WONDER MAN #13 (page 21, panels 2-6) 
(same night as IW 3, pg. 10, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Thing, Human Torch II 

NEW WARRIORS #27 
(same night as WM 13 pg. 21; a "week" after NW 26; probably a Saturday night) 
Speedball, Rage, Rage Doppelganger, Beast, Strong Man, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Colossus, Hercules, Spider-Woman II, Captain America, Dr. Pym, Black Knight III, Thor II, Archangel, Havok, Wolfsbane, She-Hulk, Rogue, Thing, Wolverine, Puck, Quicksilver, Storm, Hulk, Wonder Man, Silhouette, Psylocke, Madrox, Wildheart, Northstar, Namorita, Night Thrasher, Darkhawk, Nova, Firestar, Sasquatch, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Human Torch II, Blackball 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (pages 7-10) 
(same night as NW 27; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Cyclops Doppelganger, Human Torch Doppelganger, Wolverine Doppelganger, Marvel Girl Doppelganger, Storm Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 10, panel 2) 
(same night as FF 368 pg. 7-10; probably a Saturday night) 
Invisible Woman, Dr. Pym, Vision 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 11, panel 1)/INFINITY WAR #3 (page 10, panels 3-4) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 10, pn. 2; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Pym, Captain America, Wonder Man, Puck, Beast, Invisible Woman, Shaman, Strong Man, Thing, Vision, Scarlet Witch 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 10, panel 5-page 12, panel 2) 
(same night as FF 368 pg. 11, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos Doppelganger, Magus, Mr. Fantastic Doppelganger, Iron Man Doppelganger, Dr. Strange, Galactus, Eternity 

QUASAR #37 (pages 19-22) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 9-12; probably Saturday night) 
Quasar, Eternity, Anomaly, Contemplator 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 12, panels 2-3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 11, panel 2) 
(same night as Q 37 pg. 19-22; probably Saturday night) 
Beast, Wasp, Wonder Man, Dr. Pym, Puck, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Invisible Woman, Vision, Cyclops, Hulk, Nova, Strong Man, Guardian II, Storm, Dr. Druid, Agatha Harkness 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 12, panel 4-page 14, panel 4) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 12, pn. 2-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Captain America, Wonder Man, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Agatha Harkness, Vision, Storm, Daredevil, Beast, Wasp, Strong Man, Firestar, Puck, Quicksilver, Rogue, Shaman, Madrox, Quasar, Moon Knight, Gambit, Guardian II, Eternity 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 11, panel 3-page 20, panel 6) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 12-14; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Druid, Invisible Woman, Agatha Harkness, Scarlet Witch, Thing, Hulk, Nova, Namorita, Speedball, Daredevil, Silhouette, She-Hulk, Gambit, Storm Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger, Marvel Girl Doppelganger, Cyclops Doppelganger, Wolverine Doppelganger, Human Torch II, Tattletale 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 15, panels 1-2)/DR. STRANGE III #45 (page 1, panels 1-2) 
(same night as FF 368 pg. 11-20; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Galactus, Silver Surfer, Nova II 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 15, panels 3-6) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 15, pn. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Thanos Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 16, panels 1-2)/DR. STRANGE III #45 (page 1, panels 3-4) 
(same night as IW 3, pg. 15, pn. 3-6; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 16, panel 3-page 26, panel 6) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 16, pn. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Dr. Doom, Kang, Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Thanos, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #108 (Thanos story) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 16-26; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Moondragon, (Death) 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #109 (Thanos story) 
(same night as MCP Th 108; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Death 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #110 (Thanos story) 
(same night as MCP Th 109; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Death 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #111 (Thanos story) 
(same night as MCP Th 110; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Death, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Moondragon 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 21, panel 1) 
(same night as MCP Th 111; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II 

MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 13, panel 1) 
(same night as FF 368 pg. 21, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Psylocke, Gambit 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 26, panel 7-page 27, panel 1)/FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 21, panel 2) 
Scarlet Witch, Agatha Harkness, Shaman, Dr. Druid, Captain America 

DR. STRANGE III #45 (page 2-page 22, panel 1) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 16-27; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Death, Galactus, Silver Surfer, Nova II 

ALPHA FLIGHT #111 (pages 1-5) 
(same night as DSIII 45 pg. 2-22; a "Saturday night") 
Windshear, Firebug, Manikin, Witchfire, Mad-Dog 

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #27 
(same night as IW 3; probably a Saturday night) 
Starhawk, Major Victory, Nikki, Charlie 27, Talon, Triton, Karnak, Medusa, Black Bolt, Gorgon, Medusa Doppelganger, Triton Doppelganger, Starhawk Doppelganger, Black Bolt Doppelganger, Kranak Doppelganger, Charlie 27 Doppelganger, Major Victory Doppelganger, Lockjaw 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #8 (page 1-page 20, panel 1) 
(same night as GOTG 27; probably a Saturday night) 
Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon, Drax the Destroyer, Thanos, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger 

QUASAR #38 (page 1-page 4, panel 4) 
(same night as WATIW 8, pgs. 1-20; probably a Saturday night) 
Quasar, Contemplator, Eternity 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 27, panel 2-page 28)/QUASAR #38 (page 4, panel 5-page 5, panel 3)/WONDER MAN #13 (page 22) 
(same night as Q 38, pg. 1-4; probably a Saturday night) 
Captain America, Quasar, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Dr. Druid, Agatha Harkness, Sasquatch, Strong Man, She-Hulk, Hulk, Nova, Living Lightning, Psylocke, Guardian II, Wonder Man, Vision II, Iceman, Hercules, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, Polaris, Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch II, Cyclops, Storm, Marvel Girl, Thor II, Wolverine, Professor X 

FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 21, panel 3-page 22, panel 1) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 27-28; probably a Saturday night) 
Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Professor X, Captain America, Quasar, Wolverine, Thing, Invisible Woman, Polaris, Strong Man, Wonder Man, Nova, Storm, Sasquatch, Hulk, Living Lightning, Thor II, Havok, Psylocke, Iceman, Vision, Guardian II, Hercules, Rogue, Colossus, Dr. Druid, Human Torch II, Archangel 

QUASAR #38 (page 6, panels 1-4) 
(same night as FF 368 pg. 21-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Thing, Quasar, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Druid, Shaman, Agatha Harkness, Cyclops, Storm, Sasquatch, Strong Man, She-Hulk, Hulk, Nova, Living Lightning, Psylocke, Guardian II, Wonder Man, Vision II, Iceman, Hercules, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, Polaris, Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch II, Marvel Girl, Thor II, Wolverine, Professor X 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 29, panels 1-3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #368 (page 22, panels 2-5) 
(same night as Q 38 pg. 6; probably a Saturday night) 
Captain America, Sasquatch, Nova, Human Torch II, Invisible Woman, Thing, Quasar, Storm, Wolverine, Professor X, Thor II, Cyclops, Colossus, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Agatha Harkness, Dr. Druid, Strong Man, Living Lightning, She-Hulk, Hulk, Guardian II, Iceman, Psylocke, Vision, Wonder Man, Polaris, Havok, Marvel Girl, Rogue, Hercules 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 29, panel 4-page 32, panel 2) 
(same night as Q 38, pg. 6; probably a Saturday night) 
Speedball, Captain America, Quasar, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Dr. Druid, Agatha Harkness, Sasquatch, Strong Man, She-Hulk, Hulk, Nova, Living Lightning, Psylocke, Guardian II, Wonder Man, Vision II, Iceman, Hercules, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, Polaris, Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch II, Cyclops, Storm, Marvel Girl, Thor II, Wolverine, Professor X, Thanos Doppelganger, Magus, Eternity, Living Tribunal 

QUASAR #38 (page 6, panel 5-page 9-10, panel 1) 
(same night as IW 3, pg. 29-32; probably a Saturday night) 
Chief Examiner 

MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 13, panel 3-page 15, panel 1) 
(same night as Q 38 pg. 6-9; probably a Saturday night) 
Moon Knight, Quicksilver, Crystal, Wolfsbane, Dr. Pym, U.S. Agent, Gambit, Aurora, Daredevil, Darkhawk, Spider-Woman, Wasp, Northstar, Alicia Masters, Wolfsbane Doppelganger, Black Knight Doppelganger, Moon Knight Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 32, panel 3-page 35, panel 2) 
(same night as Q 38, pg. 6-9; probably a Saturday night) 
Crystal, Wasp, Wolfsbane, Speedball, Gambit, Firestar, Namorita, Darkhawk, Madrox, Beast, Aurora, Northstar, Forge, Moon Knight, Wildheart, Puck, U.S. Agent, Quicksilver, Daredevil, Spider-Woman II, Black Knight III, Puck Doppelganger, Quicksilver Doppelganger, Daredevil Doppelganger, U.S. Agent Doppelganger, Black Knight Doppelganger, Moon Knight Doppelganger, Northstar Doppelganger, Wildheart Doppelganger, Madrox Doppelganger, Namorita Doppelganger, Gambit Doppelganger, Darkhawk Doppelganger, Speedball Doppelganger, Wolfsbane Doppelganger, Thanos Doppelganger, Magus 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 35, panel 3-page 36, panel 4)/WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #8 (page 20, panels 2-5) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 32-35; probably a Saturday night) 
Drax the Destroyer, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon, Adam Warlock, Thanos 

INFINITY WAR #3 (pages 37-38)/QUASAR #38 (page 9-10, panel 2)/WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #8 (pages 21-22) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 35-36; probably a Saturday night) 
Drax the Destroyer, Pip, Gamora, Moondragon, Adam Warlock, Captain America, Quasar, Sasquatch, Strong Man, She-Hulk, Hulk, Nova, Living Lightning, Psylocke, Guardian II, Wonder Man, Vision II, Iceman, Hercules, Colossus, Rogue, Havok, Polaris, Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch II, Cyclops, Storm, Marvel Girl, Thor II, Wolverine, Professor X 

INFINITY WAR #3 (page 39) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 37-38; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Doom, Kang, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger 

QUASAR #38 (page 11-page 21, panel 5) 
(same night as IW 3 pg. 39; probably a Saturday night) 
She-Hulk, Wonder Man, Adam Warlock, Moondragon, Pip, Gamora, Thanos, Quasar, Cyclops, Iceman, Wolverine, Thor II, Hulk, Thing, Hercules, Captain America, Professor X, Sasquatch, Havok, Marvel Girl, Human Torch II, Rogue, Colossus, Drax the Destroyer, Psylocke, Contemplator, Magus, Anthropomorpho, Archangel, Guardian II 

INFINITY WAR #4 (pages 1-5) 
(same night as Q 38 pg. 11-21; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Firestar Doppelganger, Firestar, Wolfsbane, Wolfsbane Doppelganger, Namorita, Namorita Doppelganger, Darkhawk, Darkhawk Doppelganger, U.S. Agent, U.S. Agent Doppelganger, Madrox, Madrox Doppelganger, Daredevil Doppelganger, Daredevil, Gambit, Gambit Doppelganger, Puck, Puck Doppelganger, Beast, Beast Doppelganger, Black Knight III, Quicksilver, Quicksilver Doppelganger, Moon Knight, Moon Knight Doppelganger, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Hulk, Sasquatch, Guardian II, Hercules, Professor X, Quasar, Adam Warlock, Wolverine, Thing, Thanos, Vision, Thor II, Wonder Man, She-Hulk, Gamora, Moondragon, Pip, Strong Man, Polaris, Drax the Destroyer, Human Torch II, Havok, Psylocke, Nova, Rogue, Archangel 

QUASAR #38 (page 21, panel 6-page 22) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 1-5; probably a Saturday night) 
Quasar, Contemplator 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 6, panel 1-page 7, panel 3) 
(same night as Q 38 pg. 21-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Kang, Dr. Doom, Adam Warlock 

DR. STRANGE III #45 (page 22, panels 2-5)/INFINITY WAR #4 (page 7, panel 4) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 6-7; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Galactus, Silver Surfer, Nova II 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 8, panels 1-3) 
(same night as DSIII 45 pg. 22; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus, Silver Surfer, Nova II 

ALPHA FLIGHT #111 (pages 6-22) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 8; crescent moon; probably a Saturday night) 
Adam Warlock, Archangel, Thanos, Thing, Hulk, Drax the Destroyer, Human Torch II, Sasquatch, Captain America, Cyclops, Professor X, Guardian II, Dr. Druid, Agatha Harkness, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Wolverine, Gamora, She-Hulk, Talisman II, Mad Dog, Witchfire, Manikin, Windshear, Persuasion, Master, Bile, Strongarm, Miss Mass, Sinew, Magus, Beast, Thing Doppelganger, Puck, Puck Doppelganger, Northstar, Namorita Doppelganger, Wildheart, Daredevil Doppelganger, Aurora, Aurora Doppelganger, Goblyn, Laura Dean, Brain Drain 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 8, panel 4-page 11, panel 4) 
(same night as AF 111 pg. 6-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Pym, Gambit Doppelganger, Moon Knight, Aurora, Beast, Madrox Doppelganger, Darkhawk, Quicksilver, Wolfsbane Doppelganger, Firestar Doppelganger, Northstar, Nova, Thanos, Hercules, Drax the Destroyer, Psylocke, Moondragon, Human Torch II, Strong Man, Thor II, Adam Warlock, Rogue, Colossus, Thing, Gamora, She-Hulk, Hulk, Havok, Iceman, Pip, Cyclops, Guardian II, Wolverine 

WONDER MAN #14 (pages 1-6) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 8-11; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Colossus, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Gamora, Wolverine, Polaris, Thor II, Thanos, Storm, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Agatha Harkness 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 1-page 3, panel 2) 
(same night as WM 14 pg. 1-6; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Invisible Woman, Quasar, Thing, Gamora, Adam Warlock, Storm, Rogue, Archangel, Psylocke, She-Hulk, Wonder Man, Moondragon, Hulk, Havok, Drax the Destroyer, Colossus, Vision, Thanos, Hercules, Thor II, Wolverine, Guardian II, Nova, Pip, Strong Man, Scarlet Witch, Professor X, Cyclops, Captain America 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 12) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 1-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Storm, Polaris, Rogue, Hulk, Hercules, Drax the Destroyer, Adam Warlock, Wonder Man, Guardian II, Wolverine, Invisible Woman, Strong Man, Gamora, Moondragon, Pip 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 3, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 12) 
Human Torch II, Iceman, Adam Warlock, Invisible Woman, Marvel Girl, Moondragon 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 13, panel 1-page 14, panel 2) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 3, pn. 3; probably a Saturday night) 
Adam Warlock, Storm, Wonder Man, Thanos, Thor II, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Speedball, Speedball Doppelganger, Gambit, Gambit Doppelganger, Daredevil, Daredevil Doppelganger, Black Knight III, Wildheart, Beast, Madrox, Madrox Doppelganger, Puck 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #5 (pages 4-6) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 13-14; probably a Saturday night) 
Battlestar, Sandman Doppelganger, Crippler, Powell, Quentino 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 14, panel 3-page 16, panel 1)/SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #5 (page 7) 
(same night as SSATWP 5 pg. 4-6; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Doom, Kang 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 16, panels 2-6) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 14-16; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Doom, Kang 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #5 (pages 8-17) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 16; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Doom Doppelganger, Dr. Doom Robot, Battlestar, Sandman Doppelganger, Crippler, Powell, Quentino, Silver Sable 

MOON KNIGHT II #41 (page 15, panel 2-page 22) 
(same night as SSATWP 5 pg. 8-17; probably a Saturday night) 
Moon Knight, Gambit, Gambit Doppelganger, Namorita Doppelganger, Moon Shade, Tattletale, Alicia Masters 

MOON KNIGHT II #42 
(same night as MKII 41 pg. 15-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Black Knight Doppelganger, Nova Doppelganger, Speedball Doppelganger, Strong Man Doppelganger, Thing Doppelganger, Sasquatch Doppelganger, Namorita, U.S. Agent, Firestar, Gambit, Moon Knight, Moon Shade, Darkmoon, Moonfang, Crescent Moon, Greywing, Mr. Spector, Ivory, Moon Ghost, Dino Knight, Moon-Maid, Moonman, Moonboy II 

MOON KNIGHT II #43 (page 1-page 21, panel 1) 
(same night as MKII 42; probably a Saturday night) 
Moon Knight, Speedball, Puck, Namorita Doppelganger, Black Knight Doppelganger, Spider-Woman Doppelganger, Black Knight III, Spider-Woman II, Namorita, Beast, Darkhawk Doppelganger, Beast Doppelganger, Daredevil, Frenchie, Daredevil Doppelganger, Madrox, Madrox Doppelganger, Sheriff, Shark, U.S. Agent, Gambit, Crystal 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 17, panel 1)/WONDER MAN #14 (page 7, panel 1)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 4, panel 1) 
(same night as MKII 43 pg. 1-21; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Guardian II, Hulk, Cyclops, Strong Man, She-Hulk, Hercules, Invisible Woman, Thing, Thor II, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Thanos 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 17, panel 2)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 4, panel 2) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 17, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Adam Warlock, Thanos, Invisible Woman 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 4, panels 3-4)/INFINITY WAR #4 (page 17, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 17, pn. 2; probably a Saturday night) 
Thing, She-Hulk, Cyclops 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 18, panel 1)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 5, panel 1) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 4, pn. 3-4; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus, Dr. Strange, Nova II, Silver Surfer, Thor II, Guardian II, Adam Warlock, Hulk, Thing, Thanos, Drax the Destroyer 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 5, panel 2) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 18, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Thing, Invisible Woman, Human Torch II 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 18, panels 2-3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 5, panel 3) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 5, pn. 2; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus 

WONDER MAN #14 (page 7, panels 2-4) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 18, pn. 2-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Sasquatch, Moondragon, Marvel Girl, Thor II, Nova 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 18, panel 4)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 5, panel 4) 
(same might as WM 14 pg. 7, pn. 2-4; probably a Saturday night) 
She-Hulk, Colossus, Wolverine, Thor II, Quasar, Guardian II, Gamora, Vision, Wonder Man, Moondragon, Human Torch II, Sasquatch, Havok, Marvel Girl, Captain America, Adam Warlock, Hulk, Thanos, Scarlet Witch, Nova, Strong Man, Thing, Storm, Invisible Woman, Living Lightning 

INIFINITY WAR #4 (page 19, panel 1) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 18, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos Doppelganger, Magus 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 19, panels 2-4)/SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #5 (page 18) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 19, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Doom, Kang 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 20, panels 1-2) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 19, pn. 2-4; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Doom, Kang 

WONDER MAN #14 (pages 8-10) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. ; probably a Saturday night) 
Auteur, Dreamer, Visionary 

SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #5 (page 19, panel 1-page 22, panel 2) 
(same night as WM 14 pg. 8-10; probably a Saturday night) 
Silver Sable, Dr. Doom Robot, Dr. Doom Doppelganger, Powell, Crippler, Sandman 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 20, panel 3-page 21, panel 1) 
(same night as SSATWP 5 pg. 19-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Puck, Beast Doppelganger, Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Nova II, Galactus, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Thor II, Captain America, Cyclops, Wasp, Namorita, Black Knight III, Crystal, U.S. Agent, Gambit, Madrox, Beast, Firestar, Wolfsbane, Wildheart, Speedball, Northstar 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (pages 6-7) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 20-21; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos Doppelganger, Magus, Alicia Masters, Puppet Master, Aron 

MOON KNIGHT II #43 (page 21, panel 2-page 22, panel 4) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 6-7; probably a Saturday night) 
Crystal, Speedball, Beast, U.S. Agent, Namorita, Moon Knight, Spider-Woman II, Gambit 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 21, panels 2-3)/WONDER MAN #14 (page 11, panels 1-3)/SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #5 (page 22, panel 3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 8, panel 1) 
(same night as MKII pg. 21-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Beast, Nova II, Galactus, Thing, Human Torch II, Sasquatch, Vision, Guardian II, Hulk, Havok, Storm, Cyclops, Thor II, Captain America, Wonder Man, Colossus, Drax the Destroyer, Marvel Girl, Hercules, Nova, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Wolverine, Strong Man, Polaris, Iceman, Gamora, Pip, Moondragon 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 21, panel 4-page 22)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 8, panels 2-3) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 21, pn. 2-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus, Adam Warlock, Marvel Girl, Wolverine, Polaris, Thor II, Sasquatch, Psylocke, Moondragon, Shaman, Storm, Strong Man, Guardian II, Nova, Rogue, Havok, Gamora, Iceman, Invisible Woman, Cyclops, Hercules, Captain America, Silver Surfer, Thanos, Hulk, Pip, Dr. Strange, Vision, Thing, She-Hulk, Drax the Destroyer, Quasar, Colossus, Professor X, Dr. Druid, Agatha Harkness, Wonder Man, Human Torch II, Archangel 

WONDER MAN #14 (page 11, panel 4-page 20) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 21-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Colossus, Wonder Man, Adam Warlock, Wolverine, Thor II, Rogue, Thanos, Thing, Galactus, Drax the Destroyer, Hercules, Human Torch II, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Agatha Harkness, Vision, Nova, Cyclops, Shaman, Dr. Strange, Auteur, Dreamer, Visionary 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 8, panel 4-page 13) 
(same night as WM 14 pg. 11-20; probably a Saturday night) 
Invisible Woman, Hercules, Hulk, Wolverine, Thor II, Thanos, Human Torch II, Vision, Strong Man, Cyclops, Thing, Quasar, Watcher, Puppet Master, Alicia Masters, Aron 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 23, panel 1-page 26, panel 2)34, panel 3) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 8-13; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus, Hulk, Psylocke, Vision, Nova II, Marvel Girl, Colossus, Thanos, Strong Man, Adam Warlock, Rogue, Captain America, Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Shaman, Thor II, Sasquatch, Storm, Scarlet Witch, Polaris, Eternity, Living Tribunal, Human Torch II, Thing, Hercules, Thanos Doppelganger, Gamora, Magus 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 14) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 23-26; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Psylocke 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 26, panel 3-page 32, panel 6) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 14; probably a Saturday night) 
Watcher, Thor II, Namorita, Black Knight III, U.S. Agent, Madrox, Beast, Dr. Pym, Moon Knight, Speedball, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Gamora, Captain America, Pip, Moondragon, Vision, Cyclops, Drax the Destroyer, Invisible Woman, Wonder Man, Thing, Archangel, Rogue, Colossus, Marvel Girl, Polaris, Hulk, Nova, Guardian II, Strong Man, Shaman, Wolverine, Storm, Sasquatch, Scarlet Witch, Quasar, She-Hulk, Profesor X, Galactus 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 15, panels 1-2) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 26-32; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Captain America, Pip, Thing, Nova, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Sasquatch, Guardian II, Scarlet Witch, Galactus, Gamora 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 33, panel 1) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 15, pn. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus, Gamora, Captain America, Moondragon, Hercules 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 15, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 33, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Thing, Adam Warlock, Pip 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 33, panel 2-page 34, panel 3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 15, panel 4-page 16, panel 4) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 15, pn. 3; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Adam Warlock, Human Torch II, Thing, Colossus, Invisible Woman, Wonder Man, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Hulk, Cyclops, Nova, Rogue, Psylocke, Vision, Havok, Wolverine, Iceman 

WONDER MAN #14 (page 21, panel 1) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 33-34; probably a Saturday night) 
Thing, Wonder Man 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 34, panel 4)/WONDER MAN #14 (page 21, panel 2) 
(same night as WM 14 pg. 21, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Marvel Girl, Hulk, Cyclops, Professor X, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Rogue, Wonder Man, Drax the Destroyer, Vision, Archangel, Storm, Thanos 

WONDER MAN #14 (page 21, panel 3-page 22, panel 1) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 34, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Captain America, Wonder Man, Thanos, Scarlet Witch 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 34, panel 5-page 35, panel 1) 
(same night as WM 14 pg. 21-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Hulk, Thanos, Captain America 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 35, panels 2-4)/WONDER MAN #14 (page 22, panels 2-3) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 34-35; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Captain America, Nova, Dr. Druid, Nova II, Professor X, Moondragon, Silver Surfer, Invisible Woman, Cyclops, Wonder Man, Guardian II, Scarlet Witch, Thing, Rogue, Gambit, Wolverine 

WONDER MAN #14 (page 22, panel 4) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 35, pn. 2-4; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 35, panel 5-page 38, panel 7) 
(same night as WM 14 pg. 22, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Nova II, Silver Surfer, Captain America, Thanos, Nova, Cyclops, Moondragon, Dr. Strange, Wolverine, Guardian II, Pip, Magus, Thanos Doppelganger, Adam Warlock, Psylocke, Colossus, Invisible Woman, Strong Man, Hulk, Storm, Shaman, Hercules, Rogue, Sasquatch, Polaris, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Vision, Quasar, Thing 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 39)/QUASAR #39 (page 1-page 2, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 35-38; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Wolverine, Marvel Girl, Invisible Woman, Thing, Captain America, Cyclops, Nova II, Quasar, Storm, Thanos, Human Torch II, Sasquatch, Hulk, Strong Man, She-Hulk, Hercules, Vision, Archangel, Thor II, Colossus 

QUASAR #39 (page 2, panel 4-page 22) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 39; probably a Saturday night) 
Thing, Wolverine, Moondragon, Archangel, Captain America, Quasar, Cyclops, She-Hulk, Hercules, Professor X, Iceman, Vision, Thor II, Colossus, Nova, Storm, Invisible Woman, Rogue, Havok, Human Torch II, Wonder Man, Epoch, Marvel Girl, Sasquatch, Deathurge, Her, Makkari, Fath 

INFINITY WAR #4 (page 39) 
(same night as Q 39 pg. 2-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Eternity, Living Tribunal, Galactus, Gamora 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 17) 
(same night as IW 4 pg. 39; probably a Saturday night) 
Paibok, Devos, Lyja 

FANTASTIC FOUR #390 (3rd flashback) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 17) 
Paibok, Devos, Lyja 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 1-page 2, panel 1) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 17; probably a Saturday night) 
Captain America, Drax the Destroyer, Hercules, Vision, Quasar, Guardian II, Invisible Woman, Wolverine, Cyclops, Thanos 

ALPHA FLIGHT #112 (page 1-page 22, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Master, Professor X, Marvel Girl, Moondragon, Psylocke, Windshear, Persuasion, Witchfire, Manikin, Laura Dean, Goblyn, Miss Mass, Bile, Talisman II, Brain Drain, Sinew, Strongarm 

SLEEPWALKER #17 (end) 
(must be same night as IW 5 pg. 1-2; night of the day after SW 17 beg; probably a Saturday night) 
Rick Sheridan 

SLEEPWALKER #18 (page 1-page 6, panel 2) 
(same night as SW 17 end; probably a Saturday night) 
Sleepwalker, Rick Sheridan, Marvel Girl, Moondragon, Psylocke, Professor X 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 2, panels 2-5)/SLEEPWALKER #18 (page 6, panels 3-4) 
(same night as SW 18 pg. 1-6; probably a Saturday night) 
Sleepwalker, Deathlok, Major Victory, Nikki, Charlie 27, Sandman, Silver Sable, Nomad 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 2, panel 6-page 13, panel 6) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 2, pn. 2-5; probably a Saturday night) 
Watcher, Thor II, Magus, Adam Warlock, Thanos Doppelganger, Eternity, Living Tribunal, Galactus, Gamora, Dr. Doom, Kang, Sasquatch, Cyclops, Colossus, Polaris, Captain America, Psylocke, Marvel Girl, Professor X, Moondragon, Nova II, Wolverine, Human Torch II, Nova, Hulk, Wonder Man, Vision, Thing, Thanos, Invisible Woman, Quasar, She-Hulk, Hercules, Drax the Destroyer 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #9 (page 1, panel 1-page 2, panel 1)/INFINITY WAR #5 (page 14) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 2-13; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus, Gamora, Living Tribunal, Eternity 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #9 (page 2, panel 2-page 5, panel 8) 
(same night as WATIW 9 pg. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Gamora, Galactus, Eternity, Living Tribunal 

DOCTOR STRANGE III #47 (flashback: page 9, panels 2-3) 
(same night as WATIW 9 pg. 2-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Gamora, Necromancer, Eternity 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #9 (pages 6-20) 
(same night as DSIII 47 FB pg. 9, pn. 2-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Gamora, Eternity, Infinity, Galactus 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 15, panel 1-page 22, panel 5) 
(same night as WATIW 9 pg. 6-20; probably a Saturday night) 
Adam Warlock, Magus, Quasar, Kang, Dr. Doom 

DOCTOR STRANGE III #47 (flashback: page 9, panel 4) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 15-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Necromancer, Eternity, Gamora, Galactus 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 22, panel 6-page 23, panel 6)/WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #9 (page 21)/DOCTOR STRANGE III #47 (flashback: page 9, panel 5) 
(same night as DSIII 47 FB pg. 9, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Living Tribunal, Galactus, Gamora, Eternity 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #9 (page 22) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 22-23; probably a Saturday night) 
Living Tribunal, Galactus, Eternity, Gamora 

DOCTOR STRANGE III #47 (flashback: page 9, panel 6-page 11, panel 3) 
(same night as WATIW 9 pg. 22; probably a Saturday night) 
Necromancer, Shazana, Dr. Strange Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 24, panel 1-page 28) 
(same night as DSIII 47 FB pg. 9-11; probably a Saturday night) 
Adam Warlock, Kang, Dr. Doom, Magus, Eternity, Gamora, Galactus, Living Tribunal 

QUASAR #40 (page 1) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 24-28; probably a Saturday night) 
Quasar 

QUASAR #40 (pages 2-3)/INFINITY WAR #5 (page 29, panels 1-3) 
(same night as Q 40 pg. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Quasar 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 29, panel 4-page 31, panel 6) 
(same night as Q 40 pg. 2-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock 

SLEEPWALKER #18 (pages 7-22) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 29-31; probably a Saturday night) 
Firestar Doppelganger, Daredevil Doppelganger, Beast Doppelganger, Sleepwalker, Professor X, Moondragon, Psylocke, Marvel Girl 

QUASAR #40 (pages 4-22) 
(same night as SW 18 pg. 7-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Kismet, Makkari, Quasar, Oblivion, Kid Reaper, She-Hulk, Hercules, Human Torch II, Archangel, Vision, Captain America, Thing, Thor II, Thanos, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Blue Marvel, Contemplator 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 32, panels 1-3) 
(same night as Q 40 pg. 4-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Nova II, Vision, Strong Man, Cyclops, Colossus, Captain America, Drax the Destroyer, Scarlet Witch, Invisible Woman, Storm, Hulk, Thing, Sasquatch, Thanos, Guardian II, Pip 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 18, panel 1-page 20, panel 1) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 32, pn. 1-3; Quasar's appearance here is a mistake; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Nova II, Sasquatch, Polaris, Guardian II, Hulk, Cyclops, Strong Man, Wolverine, Thing, Hercules, Invisible Woman, Nova, Human Torch II, Vision, Archangel, She-Hulk, Pip, Captain America, Psylocke, Colossus, Moondragon, Storm, Wonder Man, Living Lightning, Wolverine, Rogue, Havok, Scarlet Witch, Drax the Destroyer, Silver Surfer, Shaman, Dr. Druid 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 32, panel 4)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 20, panel 2) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 18-20; probably a Saturday night) 
Guardian II, Vision, Captain America, Thanos, Human Torch II, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Thing, Hercules, Invisible Woman, Strong Man, Dr. Druid 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 33, panels 1-2) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 32, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Captain America, Thanos, Marvel Girl, Thing, Hercules, Wolverine, Nova, Iceman, Rogue, Storm, Wonder Man, Cyclops 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 33, panel 3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 20, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 33, pn. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Hulk, Thanos, Iceman, Captain America, Polaris, Shaman, Colossus, Human Torch II, Invisible Woman, Nova 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 33, panel 4) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 33, pn. 3; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Vision, Hulk, Sasquatch, Captain America, Iceman, Thing, Wolverine, She-Hulk, Colossus, Strong Man, Storm, Wonder Man, Guardian II, Archangel, Silver Surfer, Thing Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger, Captain America Doppelganger, Iceman Doppelganger, Cyclops Doppelganger, Nova Doppelganger, Vision Doppelganger, Marvel Girl Doppelganger, Hulk Doppelganger, Hercules Doppelganger, Sasquatch Doppelganger 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 20, panel 4) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 33, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Hulk, Captain America, Colossus, Wolverine, Invisible Woman, Thing, Storm, Silver Surfer, Thing Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger, Captain America Doppelganger, Nova Doppelganger, Storm Doppelganger, Hulk Doppelganger, Sasquatch Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #5 (pages 34-35)/FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 21, panel 1) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 20, pn. 4; probably a Saturday night) 
Wolverine Doppelganger, Guardian II, Storm, Colossus, Sasquatch Doppelganger, Thing, Pip, Wolverine, Wonder Man, Thing Doppelganger, Vision Doppelganger, Rogue, Captain America, Vision, Silver Surfer, Rogue Doppelganger, She-Hulk, Captain America Doppelganger, Hercules, Colossus Doppelganger, She-Hulk Doppelganger, Cyclops Doppelganger, Invisible Woman, Cyclops, Hercules Doppelganger, Human Torch II, Marvel Girl, Hulk, Psylocke 

FANTASTIC FOUR #369 (page 21, panel 2-page 22, panel 2) 
(same night as IW 5 pg. 34-35; probably a Saturday night) 
Hulk, Wolverine Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger, Captain America, Thing, Invisible Woman, Magus, Rogue, Psylocke, Thanos Doppelganger, Adam Warlock 

INFINITY WAR #5 (page 36, panel 1-page 39, panel 2) 
(same night as FF 369 pg. 21-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger, Magus, Adam Warlock 

WONDER MAN #15 (pages 1-6) 
(same night as IW pg. 36-39; probably a Saturday night) 
Wonder Man, Wolverine, Cyclops, Havok, Nova, Storm, Strong Man, Sasquatch, Human Torch Doppelganger, Thing Doppelganger, Sasquatch Doppelganger, Wolverine Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger, Cyclops Doppelganger, Iceman Doppelganger, Hercules Doppelganger, Captain America Doppelganger, Nova Doppelganger, Rogue Doppelganger, Hulk Doppelganger, Strong Man Doppelganger, Vision Doppelganger, Polaris, Iceman, Drax the Destroyer, Rogue, Archangel, Guardian Doppelganger 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 1-page 2, panel 3) 
(same night as WM 15 pg. 1-6; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock 

INFINITY WAR #6 (pages 1-4) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Sasquatch Doppelganger, Wolverine, She-Hulk, Nova, Human Torch II, Hulk, Thing Doppelganger, Wolverine Doppelganger, Rogue, Vision Doppelganger, Captain America, Strong Man, Hulk Doppelganger, Vision, Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #10 (pages 1-13) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 1-4; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger, Magus, Adam Warlock 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 2, panel 4-page 8, panel 3) 
(same night as WATIW 10 pg. 1-13; probably a Saturday night) 
Nova Doppelganger, Hercules, Archangel Doppelganger, Human Torch II, Thing, Hulk Doppelganger, Rogue, Storm Doppelganger, Guardian Doppelganger, Thor Doppelganger, Moondragon, Cyclops, Scarlet Witch Doppelganger, Invisible Woman, Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger, Storm, Quasar Doppelganger, Colossus Doppelganger, Sasquatch, Captain America Doppelganger, Vision, Invisible Woman Doppelganger 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #10 (pages 14-16) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 2-8; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger, (Invisible Woman) 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 8, panels 4-6) 
(same night as WATIW 10 pg. 14-16; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger, Invisible Woman 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #10 (pages 17-20) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 8; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Thanos Doppelganger 

DOCTOR STRANGE III #46 
(same night as WATIW 10 pg. 17-20; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Agatha Harkness, Sleepwalker, Rick Sheridan, Moondragon, Psylocke, Marvel Girl, Professor X, Wong, Necromancer 

WONDER MAN #15 (pages 7-22) 
(same night as DSIII 46; probably a Saturday night) 
Hercules, Wonder Man, Colossus Doppelganger, Havok Doppelganger, Thing, Hercules Doppelganger, Human Torch Doppelganger, Drax the Destroyer, Strong Man Doppelganger, Cyclops Doppelganger, Hulk, Rogue Doppelganger, Nova Doppelganger, Thor Doppelganger, Sasquatch Doppelganger, Vision, Human Torch, Captain America, Scarlet Witch Doppelganger, Silver Surfer, Living Lightning, Rogue, Wonder Man Doppelganger, Captain America Doppelganger, Thing Doppelganger 

DOCTOR STRANGE III #47 (page 1-page 12, panel 2) 
(same night as WM 15 pg. 7-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Agatha Harkness, Necromancer 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 5, panel 1)/DOCTOR STRANGE III #47 (page 12, panel 3) 
(same night as DSIII 47 pg. 1-12; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Shaman, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Agatha Harkness 

DOCTOR STRANGE III #47 (page 12, panel 4-page 22, panel 7) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 5, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Shaman, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Agatha Harkness, Necromancer, Rintrah, Dr. Strange Doppelganger 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 5, panel 2-page 9, panel 1) 
(same night as DSIII 47 pg. 12-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Dr. Strange, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Shaman, Agatha Harkness, Professor X, Psylocke, Marvel Girl, Moondragon, Watcher, Thor II, Galactus, Gamora, Magus, Adam Warlock, Nova, Rogue, Colossus, Drax Doppelganger, Hulk Doppelganger, Hercules, Thing Doppelganger, Hulk, Guardian Doppelganger, Wolverine, Human Torch Doppelganger, Wonder Man Doppelganger, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer, Silver Surfer Doppelganger, Strong Man Doppelganger, Sasquatch, Moondragon Doppelganger, Captain America, Iceman Doppelganger, Drax the Destroyer 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (pages 9-10) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 5-9; probably a Saturday night) 
Invisible Woman, Darkhawk, Iron Man, Namorita, Mr. Fantastic, Daredevil, Black Widow, Magus 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 9, panels 2-3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 11, panel 1) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 9-10; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 9, panel 4-page 10, panel 4) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 9, pn. 2-3; probably a Saturday night) 
Silver Surfer, Hulk, Drax the Destroyer, Thor II, Psylocke, Moondragon, Hercules, Dr. Strange, Gamora, Shaman, Galactus, Magus 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 10, panel 5-page 11, panel 1)/FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page11, panel 2) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 9-10; Quasar is incorrectly shown here; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock, Strong Man, Human Torch II, Thing, Havok, Marvel Girl, Living Lightning, Iceman, Nova, Thor II, Hercules, Professor X, Wonder Man, Vision, Invisible Woman, Hulk, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Rogue, Captain America, Galactus, Moondragon, Colossus, Drax the Destroyer, Archangel, Nova II, Psylocke, Silver Surfer, Cyclops, Pip, Gamora, She-Hulk, Storm, Sasquatch, Shaman, Wolverine, Quasar, Dr. Strange 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #10 (pages 21-22) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 10-11; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 11, panel 2-page 12, panel 3) 
(same night as WATIW 10 pg. 21-22; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 12, panels 1-2) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 11-12; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock, Thanos 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 12, panel 4-page 13, panel 4) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 12; pn. 1-2; probably a Saturday night) 
Thanos, Magus, Adam Warlock 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 13, panel 5-page 19, panel 2)/FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 12, panel 3-page 14, panel 3) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 12-13; Quasar is incorrectly shown here; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Strong Man, Galactus, Captain America, Wolverine, Invisible Woman, Hulk, Thing, She-Hulk, Marvel Girl, Rogue, Nova II, Vision, Human Torch II, Silver Surfer, Wonder Man, Quasar 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 19, panel 3-page 21) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 13-19; probably a Saturday night) 
Nova II, Wolverine, Galactus, Thanos, Captain America, She-Hulk, Magus, Adam Warlock 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 15) 
(same night as IW 6, pg. 19-21; probably a Saturday night) 
Human Torch II, Thing, Thor II, Scarlet Witch, Galactus, Nova II, Silver Surfer, She-Hulk, Vision, Wolverine, Mr. Fantastic, Storm, Rogue, Invisible Woman 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 22, panel 1) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 15; probably a Saturday night) 
Galactus, Thanos 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 16) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 22, pn. 1; probably a Saturday night) 
Moondragon, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Colossus, Hercules, Sasquatch, Galactus, Hulk, Captain America, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 22, panel 2-page 23, panel 3) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 16; probably a Saturday night) 
Invisible Woman, Wolverine, Galactus, Thanos, Captain America, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer, Vision, Hulk, Storm, Thing, Guardian II, Wonder Man, Cyclops 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 17) 
(same night as IW 6 pg. 22-23; probably a Saturday night) 
Strong Man, Thing, Scarlet Witch, Human Torch II, She-Hulk, Silver Surfer, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Galactus, Nova II, Marvel Girl, Wolverine, Dr. Druid, Thor II, Guardian II, Dr. Strange, Magus, Adam Warlock 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 24, panel 1-page 28, panel 2) 
(same night as FF 370 pg. 17; probably a Saturday night) 
Magus, Adam Warlock, Eternity, Infinity, Nova II, Galactus, Thing, Strong Man, Hulk, Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic 

MOON KNIGHT II #44 (pages 1-6) 
(same morning as IW 6 pg. 24-28; probably a Sunday morning) 
Moon Knight, U.S. Agent, Speedball, Namorita, Infinity, Eternity, Adam Warlock, Magus, Black Knight III, Crystal, Beast, Basilisk II, Agony 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 28, panel 3-page 29)/FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 18) 
(same morning as MKII 44 pg. 1-6; probably a Sunday morning) 
Captain America, Thanos, Galactus, Nova II, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 30, panels 1-3)/FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 19, panel 1)/MOON KNIGHT II #44 (page 7, panel 1) 
(same morning as IW 6 pg. 28-29; probably a Sunday morning) 
Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II 

MOON KNIGHT II #44 (page 7, panel 2) 
(same morning as IW 6 pg. 30, pn. 1-3; probably a Sunday morning) 
Thing, Invisible Woman, (Mr. Fantastic), (Human Torch II) 

FANTASTIC FOUR #370 (page 19, panel 2-page 20, panel 3) 
(same morning as IW 6 pg. 28-30; probably a Sunday morning) 
Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II 

INFINITY WAR #6 (page 30, panel 4-page 42) 
(same morning as FF 370 pg. 19-20; probably a Sunday morning) 
Captain America, Black Widow, Thor II, She-Hulk, Hercules, Black Knight III, Vision, Professor X, Forge, Psylocke, Beast, Marvel Girl, Colossus, Gambit, Cyclops, Rogue, Wolverine, Archangel, Storm, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Nova II, Galactus, Adam Warlock, Thanos, Moondragon, Pip, Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Eternity, Magus, Kray-tor, Autolycus 

SLEEPWALKER #19 (beginning) 
(same morning as IW 6 pg. 30-42; probably a Sunday morning) 
Sleepwalker, Rick Sheridan, Weak Link, Missing Link, Uplink, Master Link, Cobweb 

GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #30 
(same morning as IW 6 pg. 30-42; probably a Sunday morning) 
Major Victory, Starhawk, Charlie 27, Nikki, Talon, Jarvis, Starhawk II, Captain America 

MOON KNIGHT II #44 (page 7, panel 3-page 19, panel 3) 
(same day as IW 6 pg. 30-42; probably a Sunday) 
Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Moon Knight, Black Widow, Tattletale, Alicia Masters, Dr. Strange 

SILVER SURFER III #70 
(same day as IW 6 pg. 30-42; probably a Sunday) 
Silver Surfer, Nova II, Galactus, Dr. Mandibus, Nebula, Geatar, Morg 

SILVER SURFER III #71 
(same day as SSIII 70; this issue may be divided into beginning and end, separated by a short period of time, perhaps about a week, while the Surfer searches for Firelord and Morg finds a suitable planet and kills the inhabitants; probably a Sunday and perhaps after) 
Silver Surfer, Galactus, Morg, Geatar, Nebula, Mandibus, Firelord 

SILVER SURFER III #72 
(same day as SS 71 end) 
Silver Surfer, Nova II, Firelord, xxxx, Mandibus, Geatar, Nebula, Jack of Hearts, Morg, Galactus 

SILVER SURFER III #73 
(same day as SSIII 72; after NW 17) 
Silver Surfer, Nova II, Firelord, xxxx, Nebula, Geatar, Air-Walker, Morg, Galactus, Terrax 

SILVER SURFER III #74 
(probably same day as SSIII 73 or day after) 
Silver Surfer, Nova II, Firelord, Air-Walker, Terrax, Midnight Sun?, Nebula II, Geatar 

SILVER SURFER III #75 
(probably same day as SSIII 74 or day after) 
Silver Surfer, Nova II, Firelor
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Paul B.

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 01:54 pm    
By JimC

I am that "someone". Thank You Very Much, Paul!!! 
JimC

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Thread 3

Posted: 24 Jun 2006 03:34 am    Post subject: Additions/corrections of a cosmic nature
By JLH

In preparation for "Annihilation", I've decided to get into my back issue backlog of cosmic related comics. Just the kind of thing MCP is made for, right? Well, found a few absences and mistakes. The biggest? Silver Surfer Annual 7 is listed way, way wrong on everyone's chronologies. It directly follows out of Cosmic Powers, there's even a editor's note box or two stating this! 

LEGACY/GENIS-VELL 
... 
**SS3 91-BTS (Surfer's Fantascape Parlor visit is said to be given to him by Legacy) 
SECDEF 14 
CP 3 
CP 4 
CP 5 
CP 6 
**SS@ 7 (correct placement) 
**SS@ 7/2-FB 
**SS@ 7/2 (correct placement) 
SS3 105 
... 

MORG 
... 
SS3 82 
CP 4 
CP 5 
**SS@ 7 (correct placement) 
SS3 102 
... 

For Terrax, his listings place CP far too late, while two others are listed too early for their reflective placement in both Thanos and Silver Surfer's listings. 
TERRAX II/TYROS 
... 
SS@ 6/2 
CP 1 
CP 2 
CP 3 
CP 4 
CP 5 
CP 6 
**SS3 97 (correct placement) 
**GL/SS (correct placement 

THANOS 
... 
SECDEF 13 
Q 59 
**CP 1 (correct placement) 
**CP 2 (correct placement) 
**CP 3 (correct placement) 
**CP 4 (correct placement) 
**CP 5 (correct placement) 
**CP 6 (correct placement) 
SS3 98 
CPU 1 
... 

JAKAR 
... 
CP 6 (remove. He is not present in this issue anywhere, unless he's meant to be BTS, but CPU 3 never states that) 

ELYSIUS 
... 
CP 4 
**SS@ 7/2-FB 
CM4 2-FB 
... 

STARFOX/EROS 
... 
SECDEF 14 
Q 59 
CP 4 
**SS@ 7/2-FB 
A/U 
... 

ORACLE OF ANCIENT KNOWLEDGE 
**SECDEF 12-BTS (He's who the gang is breaking into the church to get) 
SECDEF 13 
CP 1 

SILVER SURFER/NORRIN RADD 
... 
SS3 90 
**SS3 91 (correct placement. He's still on Calculex from the previous two issues, it's very evident from reading it there's no gap between them) 
**SS3 92 (correct placement) 
SECDEF 14 
H2 414 
H2 415 
H2 416 
SS@ 7 
H2 417 
H2 418 
SS3 93 
... 

QUASAR III/WENDELL ELVIS VAUGHAN 
... 
Q 58 
Q 60 
**Q 59 (correct placement. This was a fill-in, and 58 & 60 are tied together without any gap for him to go from dour and whining about Kayla to fly off happily to Titan, then come back. Bad Russ!) 
SS3 111 
... 

KISMET/J'RIDIA STARDUSTER 
... 
Q 49 
**Q 51-BTS (her cocoon is not only seen, but it's the catalyst of the plot) 
Q 60 
... 

BALLANTINE, KAYLA 
... 
Q 57 
**Q 58-BTS (Quasar remains above New Universe world and everything he does in this episode is in trying to get to her, even putting a message in the sky to her) 
**Q 60-BTS (He remains above NU World for at least two days thinking of her) 

WILBURN, MYRON 
M/TU@ 5 
A@ 18/2-FB 
CA@ 7 
**Q 53 (he's the director of Project Pegasus. I'm sure he's got a lot of other appearances missing, but this is one big one) 

MOONDRAGON/HEATHER DOUGLAS 
... 
IW 6 
FF@ 25/4 
(WHERE are all the Infinity Watch and IC listings?!) 
**Q 50 
**Q 53 
SS3 93 
... 

WARLOCK II/ADAM WARLOCK 
... 
IW 6 
(Again, why do so many characters have IC listings, yet the Infinity Watch doesn't? An oversight or intentional?) 
**Q 50 
**Q 53 
**STARBLAST 1 
**Q 54 
(Blood & Thunder stuff also missing, but it'd go here) 
SS3 94 
CPU 1 
... 

PIP/PRINCE GOFERN 
... 
SS@ 5/2 
M/CP 112/4 
(IC, again) 
**STARBLAST 1 
**Q 54 
(Blood & Thunder, again) 
CPU 1-BTS 
SS/RUNE/2 
... 

EPOCH 
... 
Q 53 
**Q 54 
CM5 14-FB 

RUNNER [ELDER] 
**Q 58-FB (a "millennia ago" he tries to get Grosgumbeekians to enter the Great Competition) 
{DEF 143-FB} 
... 

INSIDIO 
Q 56 
**MAXSEC 1-FB 

THREKKER 
STARBLAST 3 
**MAXSEC 1-FB 

SKAR 
... 
Q 56 
**MAXSEC 1-FB 

NYBORN 
... 
Q 56 
**MAXSEC 1-FB 


Why are three New Universe characters, Captain Manhattan, Glitter, and Blur, listed for Q 31, but none of the others are? Shemp the Anti-body especially plays a huge role in several issues of Quasar! None of the NUers from STARBLAST are listed either... why include these three and not these other guys who had bigger roles? ACK, MY BRAIN! For the heck of just having a current record of what they should look like, sans NU appearances... 

**NIGHTMASK/KEITH REMSEN 
**Q 55 
**STARBLAST 3 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

**JUSTICE/JOHN ROGER TENSEN 
**STARBLAST 3 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

**PSI-HAWK 
**STARBLAST 3 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

**OVERSHADOW/PHILIP NOLAN VOIGT 
**STARBLAST 3 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

**METALLURGE/CHRIS BARRET 
**Q 31 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

CAPTAIN MANHATTAN 
Q 31 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

**PIT-BULL/GAYLORD PICARO 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

**CHROME I/JENNIFER SWENSEN 
**Q 31 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

**ALL-AMERICAN/CAPTAIN JACK MAGNICONTE 
**Q 56 
**STARBLAST 4 
**Q 57 

ANTI-BODY/RANDY O'BRIEN 
**Q 31 

ANTI-BODY II/"Shemp" 
**Q 31 
**Q 32-BTS 
**Q 33-BTS 
**Q 34-BTS 
**Q 35-BTS 
**Q 36 
**Q 37 
**Q 43 
**Q 44 
**Q 45 
**Q 46 

**MASTODON/DAVE LANDERS 
**Q 31 

**BLUR/JEFF WALTERS 
Q 31 

**GLITTER/STEPHANIE HARRINGTON 
Q 31 

FRICTION/CHARLOTTE BECK 
**Q 31 

HANRAHAN, JIM 
**Q 31 


Why no listing for Eternity, Living Tribunal, and Hawkgod's meeting in the Dimension of Manifestations? I had a hell of a time finding out who that weird blue & yellow bird head guy was. Come to think of it, none of the other Dimension of Manifestation appearances in previous Quasar issues were listed, were they? Despite how, they should, at least, warrant a "~" to those involved. Shouldn't they?

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Posted: 24 Jun 2006 10:18 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

JLH wrote: 
>>>
For Terrax, his listings place CP far too late, 
<<<

Tell me why. What's your reasoning? 


JLH wrote: 
>>>
while two others are listed too early for their reflective placement in both Thanos and Silver Surfer's listings. 
<<<

For Thanos, again, tell me why. For Silver Surfer, I'm not really following you. You're saying that Cosmic Powers is listed too early in the Surfer's chronology, but it's not anywhere in the Surfer's listing. 


JLH wrote: 
>>>
BALLANTINE, KAYLA 
... 
Q 57 
**Q 58-BTS (Quasar remains above New Universe world and everything he does in this episode is in trying to get to her, even putting a message in the sky to her) 
<<<

No, sorry, but simply showing the planet that someone is on doesn't qualify them for a bts entry. 


JLH wrote: 
>>>
**Q 60-BTS (He remains above NU World for at least two days thinking of her) 
<<<

Neither does some other character thinking about them. When Peter Parker remembers that with great power comes great responsibility, that doesn't lead to a bts appearance for Ben Parker's corpse. 


JLH wrote: 
>>>
MOONDRAGON/HEATHER DOUGLAS 
... 
IW 6 
FF@ 25/4 
(WHERE are all the Infinity Watch and IC listings?!) 
<<<

Hmmmm.... Well, to begin with, Infinity Watch is in the Gap, and the Watch's appearances in *any* other books during the gap, aren't added to the chronologies, until the main book is analyzed, so we know where to put them. 

In fact, I've been working on analyzing WIW for the last few weeks, and the Infinity Crusade is just a big tangle. If you feel up to it, and have the books, could you contribute some preliminary chronologies for WIW, and how it ties into IC? I can send you all of my notes on Infinity Crusade. 

Lots of other good stuff here. Thanks. 


watching: spider-man

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Posted: 24 Jun 2006 06:20 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

How's this, Russ? 

THOR #461 
(one day) 
Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Valkyrie II, Sif 
SILVER SURFER III #79 
(probably same day as Thor 461) 
Silver Surfer, Gladiator II, Oracle, Tempest, Beta Ray Bill, Dr. Minerva, Captain Atlas, Terrax, Morg 
SILVER SURFER III #80 
(same day as SSIII 79) 
Silver Surfer, Ganymede, Terrax, Morg 
SILVER SURFER III #81 
(same day as SSIII 80; flashbacks not recorded) 
Silver Surfer, Ganymede, Gladiator II, Beta Ray Bill, Terrax, Morg, Tyrant, Galactus, Firelord, Air-Walker 
SILVER SURFER III #82 
(same day as SSIII 81) 
Silver Surfer, Gladiator II, Beta Ray Bill, Ganymede, Jack of Hearts, Terrax, Morg, Tyrant, Galactus 
IRON MAN #294 (2nd story) 
(same day as IM 294 1st FB) 
Iron Man 
DEATHLOK II #27 
(one day; "a few weeks" after DLII 26) 
Deathlok II, Siege, Misty Knight, Deathlok, Timestream 
THOR #462 
(perhaps same day as Thor 461) 
Thor, Odin, Sif, Valkyrie II, Zeus, Charon, Ares, Pluto 
THOR #463 (pages 1-7) 
(same day as Thor 462) 
Thor, Valkyrie II, Zeus, Pluto 
ALPHA FLIGHT #122 (1st story: pages 1-7) 
(same day as Thor 463 pg. 1-7) 
Witchfire, Wyre, Goblyn, Persuasion, Guardian II, Manikin, Aurora 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 1) 
(same day as AF 122 1st pg. 1-7) 
Adam Warlock, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (pages 2-3)/WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 1) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 1) 
Moondragon, Gamora, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Maxam, Adam Warlock 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 2, panel 1) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 2-3) 
Gamora, Pip, Adam Warlock, (Moondragon), (Drax the Destroyer), (Maxam) 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 4) 
(same day as WATIW 18 pg. 2, pn. 1) 
Moondragon, Gamora, Pip, Adam Warlock, (Drax the Destroyer), (Maxam) 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 2, panel 2-page 4, panel 1) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 4) 
Gamora, Pip, Moondragon, Drax the Destroyer, (Maxam) 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 5, panel 1-page 9, panel 4) 
(same day as AF 122 1st pg. 1-7) 
Adam Warlock, Eternity, Goddess, Living Lightning 
AVENGERS WEST COAST #96 (flashback) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 5-9) 
Living Lightning 
IRON MAN #294 (3rd flashback) 
(same day as AWC 96 FB) 
Iron Man 
ALPHA FLIGHT #122 (1st story: page 8) 
(same day as IM 294 3rd FB) 
Sasquatch 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 9, panel 5) 
(same day as AF 122 1st pg. 8) 
Sasquatch, (Goddess) 
ALPHA FLIGHT #122 (1st story: page 9) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 9, pn. 5) 
Sasquatch, Shaman, Talisman II, (Goddess) 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 9, panel 6-page 14, panel 4) 
(same day as AF 122 1st pg. 9) 
Black Knight III, Namorita, Hercules, Storm, Sersi, Living Lightning, Goddess, Mephisto, Adam Warlock 
WARLOCK CHRONICLES #1 (page 1-page 2, panel 1) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 9-14) 
Adam Warlock 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 15, panels 1-3) 
(same day as WC 1 pg. 1-2) 
Adam Warlock, (Darklore), (Meer'lyn) 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 15, panel 4)/WARLOCK CHRONICLES #1 (page 2, panel 2) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 15, pn. 1-3) 
Adam Warlock, Darklore, (Meer'lyn) 
WARLOCK CHRONICLES #1 (page 2, panel 3-page 22) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 15, pn. 4) 
Adam Warlock, Darklore, Meer'lyn 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 15, panel 5-page 19, panel 4) 
(same day as WC 1 pg. 2-22) 
Storm, Wolverine, Goddess, Marvel Girl, Archangel, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Daredevil, Nova, Speedball, Namorita, Silhouette 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: flashback) 
(same day as IC 1 pg. 15-19) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson-Parker 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 1-page 4, panel 2) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st FB) 
Spider-Man, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 19, panel 5)/WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 4, panel 3) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 1-4) 
Spider-Man, Goddess 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 4, panels 4-5) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 19, pn. 5) 
Spider-Man, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 20, panel 1) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 4) 
Quicksilver, Goddess 
DR. STRANGE III #54 (1st story) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 20, pn. 1) 
Dr. Strange, Goddess, Eternity, Ancient One 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 20, panels 2-4) 
(same night as DSIII 54 1st) 
Dr. Strange, Goddess, Wonder Man, Captain America 
ALPHA FLIGHT #122 (1st story: page 10)/INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 20, panel 5) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 20, pn. 2-4) 
Wildheart, Puck, Shaman, Talisman II, Windshear, Sasquatch 
IRON MAN #294 (4th flashback) 
(same night as AF 122 1st pg. 10) 
Iron Man 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 21, panel 1) 
(same night as IM 294 4th FB) 
Silver Surfer, Goddess 
THOR #463 (page 8-page 11, panel 5) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 21, pn. 1) 
Thor, Valkyrie II, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 21, panel 2)/THOR #463 (page 11, panel 6) 
(same night as Thor 463 pg. 8-11) 
Thor, Goddess 
THOR #463 (pages 12-22) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 21, pn. 2) 
Thor, Goddess, Valkyrie II, Sif 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 21, panel 3-page 23, panel 1) 
(same night as Thor 463 pg. 12-22) 
Goddess, Vision, Sersi, Sleepwalker, Crystal, Hercules, Firelord, Moondragon, U.S.Agent, Madrox, Wolfsbane, Scarlet Witch, Black Knight III 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 4, panel 2-page 6, panel 2) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 21-23) 
Maxam, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Gamora, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 23, panel 2) 
(same night as WATIW 18 pg. 4-6) 
Maxam, Gamora, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Goddess 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 6, panel 3-page 7, panel 2) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 23, pn. 2) 
Maxam, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Gamora, Goddess 
AVENGERS WEST COAST #96 (pages 1-20) 
(same night as WATIW 18 pg. 86-7; "a couple of days" after AWC 93) 
Hawkeye (as Goliath II), Spider-Woman II, Mockingbird, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Living Lightning, Vision 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 23, panel 3-page 27, panel 1) 
(same night as AWC 96 pg. 1-20) 
Living Lightning, Goddess, Moon Knight, Wolfsbane, Dr. Strange, Wonder Man, Daredevil, Black Knight III, Sersi, Windshear, Gamora, Storm, Sasquatch, Sleepwalker, Captain America, Madrox, Marvel Girl, Namorita, Silhouette, Spider-Man, Puck, Archangel, Crystal, Firelord, Hercules, Talisman II, Moondragon, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Silver Surfer, Thor, Invisible Woman, U.S.Agent, Mr. Fantastic, Havok, Polaris, Cyclops, Wolverine, Speedball, Nova 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 7, panel 3-page 8, panel 2)/INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 27, panel 2-page 28, panel 2) 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 23-27) 
Drax the Destroyer, Maxam, Pip 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 8, panel 3-page 9, panel 2) 
(same night as WATIW 18 pg. 7-8) 
Drax the Destroyer, Maxam, Pip 
ALPHA FLIGHT #122 (1st story: pages 11-15) 
(same night as WATIW 18 pg. 8-9) 
Guardian II, Diamond Lil, Northstar, Wildheart, Persuasion, Manikin, Pathway, Goblyn, Wyre, Witchfire 
IRON MAN #294 
(same night as AF 122 1st pg. 11-15) 
Iron Man, Goddess, Technovore 
IRON MAN #295 (pages 1-18) 
(same night as IM 294) 
Iron Man, Technovore, Goddess 
DEATHLOK II #28 (beginning) 
(must be same night as IM 295 pg. 1-18; same night as DLII 27) 
Deathlok II, Siege, Timestream, Goddess, Deathlok 
INFINITY CRUSADE #1 (page 28, panel 3-page 40) 
(same night as IM 295 pg. 1-18; Quasar is off-planet) 
Vision, Human Torch II, Mr. Fantastic, She-Hulk, Rage, Thing, Hulk, Iron Man, Havok, Goddess, Wildheart, Beast, Speedball, Iceman, Guardian II, Cyclops, Nova, Spider-Woman II, Northstar, Night Thrasher, Psylocke, Wolverine, Rogue, Polaris, Forge, Professor X, Black Knight III, Moon Knight, Wonder Man, Gamora, Puck, Scarlet Witch, Sasquatch, Captain America, Marvel Girl, Wolfsbane, Madrox, Silver Surfer, Invisible Woman, Spider-Man, Thor, U.S.Agent, Living Lightning, Moondragon, Quicksilver, Talisman II, Shaman, Hercules, Crystal, Firelord, Archangel, Silhouette, Namorita, Sleepwalker, Windshear, Sersi, Daredevil, Dr. Strange, Storm, Colossus 
THOR #464 
(same night as IC 1 pg. 28-40) 
Thor, Goddess, Spider-Man, Talisman II, Wonder Man, U.S.Agent, Storm, Colossus, Silhouette, Daredevil, Windshear, Hercules, Invisible Woman, Wolfsbane, Puck, Dr. Strange, Sasquatch, Scarlet Witch, Namorita, Moondragon, Silver Surfer, Sersi, Madrox, Marvel Girl, Quicksilver, Moon Knight, Sleepwalker, Archangel, Black Knight III, Living Lightning, Captain America, Crystal, Pluto, Ares 
MOON KNIGHT III #57 (pages 1-5) 
(same night as Thor 464) 
Marlene Alraune, Goddess, Moon Knight, Wonder Man, Madrox, Invisible Woman, Thor, Captain America, Moondragon, Archangel, Daredevil, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Puck, Crystal, Spider-Man, Sasquatch, U.S.Agent, Hercules, Wolfsbane 
AVENGERS WEST COAST #96 (pages 21-22) 
(same night as MKIII 57 pg. 1-5) 
Hawkeye (as Goliath II), Mockingbird, War Machine, Quantum 
AVENGERS WEST COAST #97 
(same night as AWC 96 pg. 21-22) 
Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Quantum, War Machine, Aquarian, Spider-Woman II 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (pages 1-3) 
(same night as AWC 97) 
Goddess, Archangel, Marvel Girl, Crystal, U.S.Agent, Wonder Man, Wolfsbane, Quicksilver, Silhouette, Invisible Woman, Moondragon, Madrox, Hercules, Daredevil, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Storm, Dr. Strange, Sleepwalker, Sasquatch, Captain America, Silver Surfer, Windshear, Gamora, Namorita, Moon Knight, Thor, Sersi, Black Knight III 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (page 9, panel 3-page 20, panel 7) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 1-3; "a few months" after IW 6) 
Drax the Destroyer, Maxam, Pip, Mr. Fantastic 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 4, panel 1-page 5, panel 2) 
(same night as WATIW 18 pg. 9-20) 
Iron Man, Vision, Firestar, She-Hulk, Professor X, Guardian II, Cyclops, Forge, Rogue, Psylocke, Hulk, Strong Man, Speedball, Rage, Thing, Aurora, Northstar, Polaris, Beast, Wolverine, Havok, Wildheart, Night Thrasher, Spider-Woman II, Iceman, Human Torch II, Darkhawk, Nova 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #18 (pages 21-22) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 4-5) 
Strong Man, Hulk, Forge, Polaris, Vision, Spider-Woman II, Iceman, Havok, She-Hulk, Iron Man, Speedball, Professor X, Cyclops, Maxam, Mr. Fantastic, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Nova, Night Thrasher, Firestar, Guardian II, Wolverine, Thing, Human Torch II, Beast 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 5, panel 3-page 9, panel 1) 
(same night as WATIW 18 pg. 21-22) 
Drax the Destroyer, Maxam, Pip, Mr. Fantastic, Rage, Thing, Speedball, Hulk, Rogue, Strong Man, She-Hulk, Wolverine, Speedball, Iron Man, Black Widow, Wolfsbane, Vision, Iceman, Windshear, Aurora, Night Thrasher, Beast, Cyclops, Havok, Guardian II 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 5, panels 1-2)/INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 9, panels 2-3) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 5-9) 
Wildheart, Northstar, Spider-Woman II, Rage, Pip, She-Hulk, Iron Man, Thing, Darkhawk, Night Thrasher, Nova, Rogue, Speedball, Strong Man, Drax the Destroyer, Hulk, Maxam, Cyclops, Aurora, Wolverine, Human Torch II, Mr. Fantastic, Iceman, Professor X, Beast, Havok, Guardian II, Vision, Forge 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 9, panel 4-page 10, panel 5) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 5, pn. 1-2) 
Mr. Fantastic, Havok, Goddess, Moondragon, Silhouette, Moon Knight, U.S.Agent, Dr. Strange, Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, Storm, Thor, Captain America, Invisible Woman, Windshear, Spider-Man, Firelord, Black Knight III, Madrox, Sasquatch, Hercules, Wolfsbane, Gamora, Marvel Girl 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 5, panel 3-page 6, panel 4)/INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 11, panel 1-page 13, panel 4) 
Silhouette, Moon Knight, Gamora, Spider-Man, Captain America, Thor, Invisible Woman, Storm, Silver Surfer, U.S.Agent, Wonder Man, Dr. Strange, Goddess, Moondragon, Sasquatch, Hercules, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Madrox, Daredevil, Puck, Marvel Girl, Archangel, Firelord, Living Lightning, Colossus 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 13, panel 5) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 5-6) 
Goddess, Archangel, Marvel Girl, Crystal, U.S.Agent, Wonder Man, Wolfsbane, Quicksilver, Silhouette, Invisible Woman, Moondragon, Madrox, Hercules, Daredevil, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Storm, Dr. Strange, Sleepwalker, Sasquatch, Captain America, Silver Surfer, Windshear, Gamora, Namorita, Moon Knight, Thor, Sersi, Black Knight III 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 6, panel 5-page 8, panel 6) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 13, pn. 5) 
Spider-Man, Moondragon, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson 
ALPHA FLIGHT #123 (1st story) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 6-8) 
Guardian II, Northstar, Wildheart, Witchfire, Manikin, Sasquatch, Talisman II, Wyre 
ALPHA FLIGHT #124 (1st story) 
(same night as AF 123 1st) 
Manikin, Witchfire, Guardian II, Northstar, Wildheart, Sasquatch, Talisman II, Wyre, Windshear, Puck, Belasco 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 13, panel 6-page 17, panel 1) 
(same night as AF 124 1st) 
She-Hulk, Nomad III, Darkhawk, Night Thrasher, Mr. Fantastic, Northstar, Vision, Iron Man, Aurora, Strong Man, Cyclops, Havok, Rogue, Hulk, Wildheart, Guardian II, Maxam, Rage, Human Torch II, Thing, Captain America, Madrox, Thor, Silhouette, Moondragon, Sasquatch, Moon Knight, Goddess 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #19 (page 1-page 3, panel 2) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 13-17) 
Hulk, Speedball, Pip, Maxam, Rage, Thing, Rogue, Wolverine 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 17, panel 2-page 29, panel 5) 
(same night as WATIW 19 pg. 1-3) 
Drax the Destroyer, Northstar, Hulk, Guardian II, Iron Man, Pip, Thing, Vision, Mr. Fantastic, Aurora, Storm, Windshear, U.S.Agent, Wonder Man, Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, Firelord, Crystal, Invisible Woman, Marvel Girl, Sasquatch, Scarlet Witch, Wonder Man, Puck, Moondragon, Spider-Man, Sleepwalker, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Silhouette, Thor, Captain America, Hercules, Namorita, Black Knight III 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #19 (page 3, panel 4-page 6, panel 1) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 17-29) 
Beast, Drax the Destroyer, She-Hulk, Rage, Hulk, Pip, Wolverine, Thing, Galactus, Morg 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 30, panel 1-page 35, panel 1) 
(same night as WATIW 19 pg. 3-6) 
Hulk, She-Hulk, Rage, Cyclops, Maxam, Professor X, Havok, Spider-Woman II, Mr. Fantastic, Speedball, Human Torch II, Iceman, Pip, Thing, Nova, Strong Man, Adam Warlock, Vision, Iron Man, Watcher, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 35, panels 2-5)/WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 9, panel 1) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 30-35) 
Dr. Strange, Archangel, Marvel Girl, Storm, Captain America, Puck, Black Knight III, Gamora, U.S.Agent, Wonder Man, Sasquatch, Invisible Woman, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Moondragon, Thor, Wolfsbane, Moon Knight, Silhouette, Quicksilver, Talisman II, Scarlet Witch, Goddess 
DR. STRANGE III #55 (1st story: page 1-page 3, panel 1)/WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 9, panels 2-5)/INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 36) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 35, pn. 2-5) 
Storm, Hercules, Silhouette, Captain America, Dr. Strange, Thor, Spider-Man, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Goddess, Quicksilver, Namorita, Marvel Girl, Sasquatch, Black Knight III, Invisible Woman, Gamora, Wonder Man, Silver Surfer 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 9, panel 6) 
(same night as DSIII 55 1st pg. 1-3) 
Captain America, Invisible Woman, Spider-Man 
DR. STRANGE III #55 (1st story: page 3, panel 2-page 17, panel 4) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 9, pn. 6) 
Madrox, Moon Knight, Invisible Woman, Namorita, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Marvel Girl, Sasquatch, Wonder Man, Moondragon, Thor, Daredevil, Gamora, Silver Surfer, Windshear 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 10, panel 5-page 15, panel 5) 
(same night as DSIII 55 1st pg. 3-17) 
Spider-Man, Gamora, Thor, Sersi, Black Knight III, Captain America, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Goddess, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Madrox, Sasquatch, Invisible Woman, Archangel 
MOON KNIGHT III #57 (page 6, panel 1-page 10, panel 6) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 10-15; night after MKIII pg. 1-5; full moon) 
Agony, Bloodline, Hook, Seth, Captain America, U.S.Agent, Quicksilver, Thor, Hercules, Moondragon, Sasquatch, Madrox, Invisible Woman, Archangel, Gamora, Scarlet Witch 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #104 (1st story: page 16) 
(same night as MKIII 57 pg. 6-10) 
Spider-Man, Goddess, Moondragon, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Madrox, Thor, Gamora, Moon Knight, (Sasquatch), (Invisible Woman), (Archangel) 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #105 (1st story: pages 1-4) 
(same night as WOSM 104 1st pg. 16) 
Spider-Man, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Madrox, Thor, Gamora, Sasquatch, Moon Knight, Moondragon, Invisible Woman, Archangel 
MOON KNIGHT III #57 (page 10, panel 7-page 11, panel 2) 
(same day as WOSM 105 1st pg. 1-4) 
Madrox, Moon Knight, Quicksilver, Spider-Man, Sasquatch 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #105 (1st story: pages 5-13) 
(same night as MKIII 57 pg. 10-11) 
Spider-Man, Gamora, Archangel, Sasquatch, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, May Parker, Robbie Robertson, Scarlet Witch, Invisible Woman, Thor, Quicksilver 
MOON KNIGHT III #57 (page 11, panels 3-4) 
(same night as WOSM 105 1st pg. 5-13; full moon) 
Moon Knight, Madrox, Spider-Man 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #105 (1st story: page 14, panels 1-2) 
(same night as MKIII 57 pg. 11, pn. 3-4) 
Moon Knight, Spider-Man 
MOON KNIGHT III #57 (page 12) 
(same night as WOSM 105 1st pg. 14, pn. 1-2) 
Moon Knight, Spider-Man 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #105 (1st story: page 14, panel 3-page 15, panel 3)/MOON KNIGHT III #57 (page 13, panels 1-4) 
(same night as MKIII 57 pg. 12) 
Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Madrox 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #105 (1st story: page 15, panel 4-page 16, panel 4) 
(same night as WOSM 105 1st pg. 14-15) 
Spider-Man, Moon Knight, Thor, Sasquatch, Gamora, Quicksilver, Archangel, Goddess 
MOON KNIGHT III #57 (page 13, panel 5-page 18, panel 2) 
(same night as WOSM 105 1st pg. 15-16; full moon) 
Moon Knight, Shard, Vortex, Dementia, Manx, Chloe 
INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (pages 37-40) 
(same night as MKIII 57 pg. 13-18) 
Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 1-page 6, panel 3) 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 37-40) 
Watcher, Corsair, Ch'od, Mr. Fantastic, Iron Man, Vision, Hulk, Maxam 
DR. STRANGE III #56 (1st story: page 1-page 2, panel 1)/INFINITY CRUSADE #2 (page 6, panels 4-5) 
(same night as IC 3 pg. 1-6) 
Hulk, Maxam, Mr. Fantastic, Vision, Iron Man, Sleepwalker, Moondragon, Talisman II, Dr. Strange, Thor, Aurora 
DR. STRANGE III #56 (1st story: page 2, panel 2-page 17, panel 4) 
(same night as DSIII 56 pg. 1-2) 
Moondragon, Dr. Strange, Thor, Aurora, Wong, Imei, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (pages 7-8) 
(same night as DSIII 56 1st pg. 2-17) 
Moondragon, Goddess, Hepzibah, Raza 
WARLOCK CHRONICLES #2 
(same night as IC 2 pg. 37-40) 
Adam Warlock, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Eternity, Thanos, Goddess, Mole Man, Guardian II, Maxam, Hulk, Mr. Fantastic, Vision, Iron Man 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #19 (page 6, panel 2-page 22, panel 5) 
(same night as WC 2) 
Adam Warlock, Mole Man, One Above All, Ziran, Hulk, Human Torch II, Pip, Speedball, Spider-Woman II, Thing, Wildheart, Forge, Nova, Firestar, Strong Man, Psylocke, Northstar, Iceman, Polaris, Guardian II, Mr. Fantastic, Maxam, Vision, Iron Man, She-Hulk, Rage, Professor X, Cyclops, Havok, Thanos, Goddess, Death, Silver Surfer, Moondragon, Captain America, Dr. Strange, Gamora, Quicksilver, Mentor, Starfox 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 9, panel 1-page 14, panel 2) 
(same morning as WATIW 19 pg. 6-22) 
Iron Man, She-Hulk, Mr. Fantastic, Nova, Hulk, Cyclops, Guardian II, Professor X, Maxam, Vision, Nomad III, Absorbing Man, Rogue, Wolverine, Drax the Destroyer, Polaris, Psylocke, Human Torch II, Havok, Spider-Woman II, Strong Man, Thing, Beast, Pip, Thor, Dr. Strange, Talisman II, Moondragon, Sleepwalker, Rick Sheridan, Iceman, Night Thrasher, Rogue, Northstar, Forge, Nova, Rage, Firestar, Wildheart, Mephisto, Speedball, Madrox 
CAGE #17 
(same day as IC 3 pg. 9-14) 
Cage, Troop, Crusader 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 14, panel 3-page 26, panel 4) 
(same day as Cage 17) 
Adam Warlock, Thanos, Mephisto, Mr. Fantastic, Pip, Hulk, Speedball, Iron Man, Professor X, Guardian II, Forge, Cyclops, Spider-Woman II, Wolverine, Nova, Rogue, Northstar, Night Thrasher, She-Hulk, Thing, Maxam, Strong Man, Vision, Moondragon, Thor, Gamora, Goddess, Madrox, Psylocke, Beast, Firestar, Drax the Destroyer, Darkhawk, Havok, Nomad III 
WARLOCK CHRONICLES #3 (pages 1-2)/INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 26, panel 5-page 27, panel 2) 
(same day as IC 3 pg. 14-26) 
Mephisto, Adam Warlock, Thanos 
WARLOCK CHRONICLES #3 (pages 3-22) 
(same day as WC 3 pg. 1-2) 
Adam Warlock, Thanos, Mephisto, Eternity, Infinity 
DARKHAWK #30 (pages 1-13) 
(same day as WC 3 pg. 3-22) 
Beast, Iceman, Rogue, Spider-Woman II, Strong Man, Hulk, Thing, Professor X, Darkhawk, Beetle, Human Torch II, Speedball, Wolverine, Jarvis, Cyclops, Broderick Bazin 
THOR #465 
(same day as DH 30 pg. 1-13) 
Super-Skrull, Thor, Moondragon, Zeus, Pluto, Hermes, Valkyrie II 
SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #16 (1st story) 
(same day as Thor 465) 
Silver Sable, Battle Star, Crippler, Powell, Chen, Sandman, Paladin, Fin II, Man-Eater, Quentino, Leecher, Transfaser, Lightbright, Baron Strucker, Hydra 
SILVER SABLE AND THE WILD PACK #17 (1st story) 
(same day as SSATWP 16 1st) 
Silver Sable, Battle Star, Crippler, Powell, Chen, Sandman, Paladin, Fin II, Man-Eater, Quentino, Leecher, Transfaser, Lightbright, Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, Clay Quartermain, Jimmy Woo, Alexander Pierce, Baron Strucker, Hydra 
DARKHAWK #30 (pages 14-20) 
(same day as SSATWP 17 1st) 
Darkhawk, Broderick Bazin, Hulk, Iceman, Cyclops, Rogue, Spider-Woman II, Thing, Wolverine, Psylocke, She-Hulk, Human Torch II, Speedball 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 27, panel 3-page 29) 
(same day as DH 30 pg. 14-20) 
Hulk, Iron Man, Nova, Pip, Mr. Fantastic, Guardian II, Cyclops, Maxam, Moondragon, Thor, Madrox, Dr. Strange, Goddess, Northstar, Spider-Woman II, She-Hulk, Rage, 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #105 (1st story: page 16, panel 5) 
(same day as IC 3 pg. 27-29) 
Speedball, Nova, Night Thrasher, Hulk, Havok, Professor X, Rogue, Iceman, Cyclops, Vision, Strong Man, Wolverine, Beast, Darkhawk, She-Hulk, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Human Torch II, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Iron Man, Maxam, Psylocke, Forge, Marvel Girl, Wildheart 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 30) 
(same day as WOSM 105 1st pg. 16, pn. 5) 
Hulk, Vision, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Rogue, She-Hulk, Iron Man, Guardian II, Nomad III, Drax the Destroyer, Speedball, Wolverine, Cyclops, Psylocke, Strong Man, Northstar, Pip 
DARKHAWK #31 
(same day as IC 3 pg. 30) 
Thing, Human Torch II, Spider-Woman II, Darkhawk, Havok, Polaris, Wildheart, Mr. Fantastic, Vision, Strong Man, Night Thrasher, Cyclops, Psylocke, Broderick Bazin, Firestar, Northstar 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 31-page 37, panel 1) 
(same day as DH 31) 
Archangel, Storm, Living Lightning, Marvel Girl, Quicksilver, Gamora, Black Knight III, Hercules, U.S.Agent, Wonder Man, Invisible Woman, Crystal, Sasquatch, Moondragon, Captain America, Madrox, Shaman, Dr. Strange, Scarlet Witch, Talisman II, Moon Knight, Puck, Sersi, Silver Surfer, Firelord 
SILVER SURFER III #83 
(same day as IC 3 pg. 31-37; flashback not recorded) 
Silver Surfer, Firelord, Thanos 
INFINITY CRUSADE #3 (page 37, panel 2-page 40, panel 2) 
(same day as SSIII 83) 
Pip, Hulk, Night Thrasher, Wolverine, Rogue, Drax the Destroyer, She-Hulk, Beast, Speedball, Nova, Nomad III, Maxam, Guardian II, Iron Man, Forge, Goddess 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #20 
(same day as IC 3 pg. 37-40) 
Pip, Goddess, Hulk, She-Hulk, Maxam, Drax the Destroyer, Speedball, Forge, Iron Man, Wolverine, Beast, Guardian II, Iceman, Thanos, Adam Warlock, Silhouette 
INFINITY CRUSADE #4 (pages 1-27) 
(same day as WATIW 20) 
Thanos, Silver Surfer, Goddess, Moondragon, Madrox, Quicksilver, Hercules, Wonder Man, Talisman II, Dr. Strange, Storm, Living Lightning, Sasquatch, U.S.Agent, Moon Knight, Gamora, Windshear, Thor, Archangel, Scarlet Witch, Adam Warlock, Autolycus, Kray-Tor, Strong Man, Cyclops, Havok, Vision, Mr. Fantastic, Iron Man, Rogue, Maxam, Nova, Forge, Beast, Wolverine, Bishop, Professor X, Sleepwalker, Shaman, Darkhawk, Hulk, Daredevil, Drax the Destroyer, Aurora 
SILVER SURFER III #84 (pages 1-6) 
(same day as IC 4 pg. 1-27) 
Thanos, Silver Surfer 
INFINITY CRUSADE #4 (page 28-34) 
(same day as SSIII 84 pg. 1-6) 
Crystal, Invisible Woman, Madrox, Aurora, Moondragon, Hercules, Wonder Man, Havok, Cyclops, Silver Surfer, Hulk, Drax the Destroyer, Thor, Mr. Fantastic, Vision, Speedball, Beast, Iron Man 
SILVER SURFER III #84 (pages 7-22) 
(same day as IC 4 pg. 28-34) 
Silver Surfer, Thanos 
INFINITY CRUSADE #4 (pages 35-40) 
(same day as SSIII 84 pg. 7-22) 
Mr. Fantastic, Vision, Thanos, Forge, Nomad III, Adam Warlock, Magus, Madrox, Moondragon, Quicksilver, Guardian II, U.S.Agent, Sasquatch, Invisible Woman, Sleepwalker, Storm, Dr. Strange, Windshear, Drax the Destroyer, Thor, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Hercules, Hulk, Black Knight III, Archangel, Daredevil, Living Lightning, Spider-Man, Puck, Wonder Man, Gamora, Talisman II, Shaman, Aurora, Professor X 
WARLOCK CHRONICLES #4 
(same day as IC 4 pg. 35-40) 
Adam Warlock, Magus 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #21 (page 1-page 2, panel 3) 
(same day as WC 4) 
Drax the Destroyer, Thor, Hulk 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 1-page 2, panel 5) 
(same day as WATIW 21 pg. 1-2) 
Hulk, Thor, Drax the Destroyer 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #21 (page 2, panel 4-page 10, panel 2) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 1-2) 
Hulk, Thor, Drax the Destroyer, Moondragon 
THOR #466 
(same day as WATIW 21 pg. 2-10) 
Odin, Hogun, Fandral, Volstagg, Thor, Drax the Destroyer, Zeus, Pluto, Sif 
SILVER SURFER III #85 
(same day as Thor 466) 
Storm, Wonder Man, Silver Surfer 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 2, panel 6-page 18, panel 2) 
(same day as SSIII 85) 
Forge, Nomad III, Professor X, Thanos, Mr. Fantastic, Vision, Windshear, Dr. Strange, Mondragon, Madrox, Beast, Iceman, Scarlet Witch, Captain America, Hulk, Goddess, Pip, Silhouette, Maxam, Rogue, Hercules, Invisible Woman, Moondragon, Hulk, Speedball, Black Knight III, Archangel, Iron Man, Adam Warlock, Sasquatch, U.S.Agent 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #106 (1st story: page 7, panels 1-2) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 2-18) 
Puck, Spider-Man 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 18, panel 3-page 20, panel 4)/WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #106 (1st story: page 7, panel 3-page 9, panel 3) 
(same day as WOSM 106 1st pg. 7, pn. 1-2) 
Strong Man, Firestar, Puck, Spider-Man 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #106 (1st story: page 9, panel 4-page 11, panel 6) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 18-20) 
Spider-Man, Robbie Robertson, Betty Brant Leeds, J. Jonah Jameson 
MOON KNIGHT III #57 (page 18, panel 3) 
(same day as WOSM 106 1st pg. 9-11) 
Moon Knight, Wonder Man, Storm, Havok, (Spider-Woman II) 
WARLOCK CHRONICLES #5 
(same day as MKIII 57 pg. 18, pn. 3) 
Adam Warlock, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 20, panel 5-page 22, panel 2) 
(same day as WC 5) 
Wonder Man, Storm, Moondragon, Moon Knight, Havok, Spider-Woman II, Hulk, Hercules, Darkhawk, Human Torch II, Sleepwalker 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #106 (1st story: page 12, panel 1) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 20-22) 
Moondragon, Spider-Man 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 22, panel 3)/WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #106 (1st story: page 12, panel 2) 
(same day as WOSM 106 1st pg. 12, pn. 1) 
Mondragon, Sleepwalker, Human Torch II, Darkhawk 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 22, panel 4) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 22, pn. 3) 
Sleepwalker, (Moondragon) 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #106 (1st story: page 12, panel 3-page 15, panel 1) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 22, pn. 4) 
Spider-Man, Hercules, Sleepwalker, Moondragon, Darkhawk, Human Torch II, Rogue 
ALPHA FLIGHT #124 (2nd story) 
(same day as WOSM 106 1st pg. 12-15) 
Windshear, Archangel, Hercules 
ALPHA FLIGHT #125 (1st story) 
(same day as AF 124 2nd) 
Shaman, Talisman II 
ALPHA FLIGHT #125 (2nd story) 
(same day as AF 125 1st) 
Box III, Diamond Lil, Shaman, Nemesis, Wyre, Carcass 
ALPHA FLIGHT #126 (1st story) 
(same day as AF 125 2nd) 
Wyre, Shaman, Diamond Lil, Box III, Nemesis, Carcass 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #22 (pages 1-16) 
(same day as AF 126 1st) 
Mole Man, Adam Warlock, Goddess 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (pages 23-25) 
(same day as WATIW 22 pg. 1-16) 
Professor X, Thanos, Cyclops, Rage, Gamora, Quicksilver, Northstar, Polaris, Shaman, Aurora, Moondragon, Forge, Nomad III, Guardian II, Wolverine, Daredevil, Living Lightning 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 1-page 3, panel 1) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 23-25) 
Guardian II, Daredevil, Wolverine, Living Lightning 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 26, panels 1-2) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 1-3) 
Living Lightning, Wolverine, Guardian II 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 3, panels 2-3) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 26, pn. 1-2) 
Guardian II, Dr. Strange, Shaman, Strong Man 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 26, panel 3) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 3, pn. 2-3) 
Dr. Strange, Shaman, Strong Man 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: pages 4-5) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 26, pn. 3) 
Shaman, Dr. Strange, Strong Man 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 26, panel 4-page 28, panel 2) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 4-5) 
Thing, Night Thrasher, Sasquatch, Gamora, Goddess, Professor X, Thanos 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 6) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 26-28) 
Shaman, Wolverine, Wonder Man, Guardian II 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 28, panel 3)/ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 7, panel 1) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 6) 
Wonder Man, Guardian II, Wolverine, Shaman 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 7, panel 2-page 12, panel 4) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 28, pn. 3) 
Wonder Man, Guardian II, Wolverine, Shaman, Sasquatch, She-Hulk, Speedball, Aurora, Spider-Man, Puck, Firestar, Thing, Vision, Windshear 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 28, panel 4-page 30, panel 1) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 7-12) 
Wonder Man, Shaman, Wolverine, Maxam 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (2nd story) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 28-30) 
Wolverine, Wildheart, (Moondragon) 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #21 (page 10, panel 3-page 20, panel 5) 
(same day as AF 127 2nd) 
Moondragon, Madrox, Goddess, Thor, Drax the Destroyer 
INFINITY WATCH #5 (page 30, panel 2-page 39, panel 6) 
(same day as WATIW 21 pg. 10-20) 
Goddess, Storm, Iceman, Beast, U.S.Agent, Iron Man, Speedball, Aurora, Quicksilver, Mr. Fantastic, Vision, Windshear, Thanos, Silhouette, Professor X, Forge, Nomad III, Gamora, Wolverine, Maxam, Sasquatch, Hulk, Pip, Sleepwalker, Moondragon, Madrox, Cage 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #22 (page 17, panel 1-page 20, panel 2) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 30-39) 
Adam Warlock 
INFINITY CRUSADE #5 (page 39, panel 7-page 40, panel 2) 
(same day WATIW 22 pg. 17-20) 
(Thanos) 
INFINITY CRUSADE #6 (page 1-page 2, panel 4) 
(same day as IC 5 pg. 39-40) 
Thor, Drax the Destroyer 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #21 (pages 21-22) 
(same day as IC 6 pg. 1-2) 
Thor, Drax the Destroyer 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 14, panel 1) 
(same day as WATIW 21 pg. 21-22; Thor's appearance here is a mistake) 
Storm, Iron Man, Hulk, Captain America 
INFINITY CRUSADE #6 (page 2, panel 5-page 3, panel 4) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 14, pn. 1) 
Firelord, Maxam, Gamora, Wolverine, Quicksilver, Storm, Aurora, Iron Man 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 14, panels 2-4) 
(same day as IC 6 pg. 2-3; Thor's appearance here is a mistake) 
Storm, Iron Man, Hulk, Aurora, Storm, Talisman II 
INFINITY CRUSADE #6 (page 3, panels 5-6) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 14, pn. 1-2) 
Quicksilver, Storm, Aurora, Iron Man 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (1st story: page 14, panels 5-6) 
(same day as IC 6 pg. 3, pn. 5-6) 
Puck, Guardian II 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #106 (1st story: page 15, panel 2-page 16, panel 5) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 14, pn. 5-6) 
Thing, Spider-Man, Marvel Girl 
INFINITY CRUSADE #6 (page 4) 
(same day as WOSM 106 1st pg. 15-16) 
Professor X, Thanos, Pip, Silhouette, Goddess, Terror, Silver Sable 
DEATHLOK II #28 (end) 
(same day as IC 6 pg. 4; must be day after DLII 28 beg) 
Deathlok II, Siege 
DEATHLOK II #29 
(same day as DLII 28 end) 
Deathlok II, Siege, Deathlok 
INFINITY CRUSADE #6 (page 5) 
(same day as DLII 29) 
Deathlok II, Cage 
WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #22 (page 20, panel 3-page 22) 
(same day as IC 6 pg. 4-5) 
Mole Man 
INFINITY CRUSADE #6 (pages 6-9) 
(same day as WATIW 22 pg. 20-22) 
Raza, Hepzibah, Goddess, Thanos, Professor X, Pip, Silhouette, Maxam, Gamora, Wolverine, Thor, Drax the Destroyer, Quicksilver, Storm, Aurora, Iron Man 
ALPHA FLIGHT #127 (pages 15-16) 
(same day as IC 6 pg. 6-9; Thor's appearance here is a mistake) 
Guardian II, Puck, Talisman II, Shaman, Sasquatch, Iron Man, Hulk, Windshear, Wildheart, Aurora, Northstar 
INFINITY CRUSADE #6 (pages 10-40) 
(same day as AF 127 1st pg. 15-16) 
Cage, Deathlok II, Silver Sable, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Firelord, Wonder Man, Rogue, Hulk, She-Hulk, Sasquatch, Dr. Strange, Black Knight III, Iceman, Beast, Thing, Strong Man, Moondragon, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Spider-Man, Northstar, Human Torch II, Darkhawk, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Nick Fury, Vision, Captain America, Cyclops, Forge, Marvel Girl, Speedball, Nova, Madrox, Guardian II, Starfox, Magus, Mephisto, xxxx 
THOR #467 
(same day as IC 6 pg. 10-40) 
Thor, Valkyrie II, Zeus, Pluto, Sif, Ares 
THOR ANNUAL #18 (3rd story) 
(must be same day as Thor 467) 
Beta Ray Bill 
MOON KNIGHT III #58 
(same night as IC 6 pg. 10-40; full moon) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline, Ripper, Krunch, Vault, Seth Phalkon, Arc, Lava, Bass, Belle, Hook, Shard, Vortex, Manx, Dementia, Spike, Crackdown, Marlene Alraune, Dusk 
MOON KNIGHT III #59 
(same night as MKIII 58; full moon) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline, Dusk, Hook, Spike, Shard, Vortex, Dementia, Nightshadow, Manx, Templar, Seth Phalkon, Marlene Alraune 
MOON KNIGHT III #60 (beginning) 
(same night as MKIII 59; days before MKIII 60 end) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline, Vortex, Shard, Templar, Dementia, Spike, Manx, Marlene Alraune, Dusk, Hook, Nightshadow, Seth Phalkon 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #107 (1st story) 
(probably day after IC 6 pg. 6-40) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, Robbie Robertson, J. Jonah Jameson, Betty Brant Leeds, Sandman, Quicksand, Sandstorm 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #108 (1st story) 
(same day as WOSM 107 1st) 
Spider-Man, Sandman, Quicksand, Sandstorm, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, Betty Brant Leeds, Mary Jane Watson-Parker 
IRON MAN #295 (pages 20-22) 
(day after IM 295 pg. 1-19) 
Iron Man, Omega Red 
IRON MAN #296 
(day after IM 295 pg. 20-22) 
Iron Man, Modam, AIM, Omega Red 
IRON MAN #297 
(same day as IM 296 and next day) 
Iron Man, Modam, Omega Red, AIM, Michael O'Brien 
DARKHAWK #32 
(probably night of the day after IC 6 pg. 6-40 and next day; IC took place between DH 31 and 32, and DH 31 was a "few days" before DH 32; after DH Ann 2; full moon) 
Darkhawk, Savage Steel, Broderick Bazin 
WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #109 (1st story) 
(one night; WOSM 104-108 all occurred during "the last couple of days"; crescent moon) 
Spider-Man, Night Thrasher, Shocker
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Posted: 24 Jun 2006 11:42 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Administrator wrote: 
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JLH wrote: 
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For Terrax, his listings place CP far too late, 
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Tell me why. What's your reasoning? 
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The Silver Surfer's chronology currently features this relevant segment: 

SS3 90 
SECDEF 14 
H2 414 
H2 415 
H2 416 
SS3 91 
SS3 92 
SS@ 7 
H2 417 
H2 418 
SS3 93 

I agree with JLH that SS3 91 & 92 should be moved up to directly follow SS3 90. SECDEF 13-14 leads into CP 1, and SS@ 7 follows from the events of CP 1-6. That would give us the following order of events relating to CP 1-6, as derived from the Surfer's chronology: 

SS3 90-92 
SECDEF 13-14 
CP 1-6 
SS@ 7 
SS3 93 

Thus, Terrax's and Thanos's entries definitely need to be amended to take this order of events into consideration, even if SS3 91-92 remain where they are now. 

-Sean

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Posted: 25 Jun 2006 01:02 am    
By JLH

As Sean said. It's reflective of everyone else's. SS3 97 has to be after CP, because the other characters featured in it, by way of SS@ 7, encountered Silver Surfer far earlier. SS3 93 continues directly from Surfer being on Earth for Rick Jones wedding in Hulk. It starts a multiple issue arc, which leads into another one, of which SS3 97 is part of. And Thanos, SS3 98 is, also, part of the continuing "Nova reborn" story. 


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No, sorry, but simply showing the planet that someone is on doesn't qualify them for a bts entry. 
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I know that. But this is a very special case. Quasar is trying to get to Kayla on the NU planet. He can't get through, so he goes to see the Living Tribunal, who offers him a chance to join her. She's the catalyst of the entire plot, her being on this world and his attempts to get to her. He refuses to give up his powers and freedom, and at the end, leaves her, named directly, a message in the sky above the city. This, to me, is just like someone calling someone else and not getting through, then trying to find them, not having any luck, and giving up while leaving a note. I didn't say every New Universe character should get a BTS, just Kayla, since she plays such a huge role just by being on the planet. 


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Neither does some other character thinking about them. When Peter Parker remembers that with great power comes great responsibility, that doesn't lead to a bts appearance for Ben Parker's corpse. 
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But she's not dead. She's trapped on the planet, and his continued lingering above it is in hopes of seeing her again somehow. This isn't, "I'll honor your memory by standing here for two days moping!" He finally gives up and says his own goodbyes to her and departs. Her fully living "behind the scenes" presence there is what's driving his actions. I do think Q 58 has a good case for a BTS for her, at least, with his sky message and Tribunal's offer. 


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Hmmmm.... Well, to begin with, Infinity Watch is in the Gap, and the Watch's appearances in *any* other books during the gap, aren't added to the chronologies, until the main book is analyzed, so we know where to put them. 
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I find that a bit odd. I mean, it makes perfect sense, but as a policy it'd leave out a lot of appearances just because all books of a time period haven't been analyzed. Like how The Pulse appearance for Spidey is on his chronology, but all the books leading up to it (like the MK SM series) aren't. I guess those get added because they're from outside sources and not your domain of the gap, right? 


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In fact, I've been working on analyzing WIW for the last few weeks, and the Infinity Crusade is just a big tangle. If you feel up to it, and have the books, could you contribute some preliminary chronologies for WIW, and how it ties into IC? I can send you all of my notes on Infinity Crusade. 
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I think Paul has it covered very well. I've had enough of a time trying to wrap my brain around Quasar's IC continuity. It's said in IC he's off in space. This should mean his "quest to find his Quantum Bands" arc takes place then, with Adam Warlock and company's appearances in Q 50 being directly post-IC. His chronology doesn't really allow for popping into space offscreen. 

Is the Surfer/Quasar/Beta Ray Bill mini "Star Masters" from 95 on the docket for the gap? 


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Posted: 25 Jun 2006 07:02 pm    
By JLH

Having just checked it, SS3 97 has Surfer mentioning Morg's return as Galactus' Herald (with a box denoting SS@ 7), and Terrax piloting the ship Thanos last left him with (with a box denoting CP 6).

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Posted: 30 Jun 2006 10:41 am    
By lkseitz

JLH wrote: 
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Administrator wrote: 
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No, sorry, but simply showing the planet that someone is on doesn't qualify them for a bts entry. 
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I know that. But this is a very special case. Quasar is trying to get to Kayla on the NU planet. He can't get through, so he goes to see the Living Tribunal, who offers him a chance to join her. She's the catalyst of the entire plot, her being on this world and his attempts to get to her. He refuses to give up his powers and freedom, and at the end, leaves her, named directly, a message in the sky above the city. This, to me, is just like someone calling someone else and not getting through, then trying to find them, not having any luck, and giving up while leaving a note. I didn't say every New Universe character should get a BTS, just Kayla, since she plays such a huge role just by being on the planet. 

Quote: 
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Neither does some other character thinking about them. When Peter Parker remembers that with great power comes great responsibility, that doesn't lead to a bts appearance for Ben Parker's corpse. 
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But she's not dead. She's trapped on the planet, and his continued lingering above it is in hopes of seeing her again somehow. This isn't, "I'll honor your memory by standing here for two days moping!" He finally gives up and says his own goodbyes to her and departs. Her fully living "behind the scenes" presence there is what's driving his actions. I do think Q 58 has a good case for a BTS for her, at least, with his sky message and Tribunal's offer. 
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I was all set to dismiss you with, "her role in the plot doesn't matter if she's not there," but after further consideration of what the BTS tag is for, I see your point. It's a tricky question. 

However, I still think Russ is right to not give her BTS listing. As it says in the key, "the character's actions still have an impact on the story." In this case, Kayla's not doing anything that impacts the story. 

Take this hypothetical case. Mr. Fantastic (Reed Richards) was taken across the universe for Secret Wars while his wife, Sue, was pregnant back on Earth. If (this is the hypothetical part) Reed had spent every waking moment trying to get back to Sue on Earth before the baby was born, wouldn't your argument say this merits a BTS entry for her? But she never appears in SECRET WARS. She's stewing over Reed's disappearance in FANTASTIC FOUR. Nothing she's actually doing in FF has any influence over what's happening with Reed in SW, so how would you decide where to place SW-BTS in her chronology? 

If, OTOH, she used one of Reed's gadgets to make some weird portal appear on the SECRET WARS planet, but failed to retrieve anyone. And if they showed her actions from her perspective in FF, and just the portal in SW, then she would merit an entry like "FF 286~SW 3-BTS". 

I hope you understand my point.
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Posted: 30 Jun 2006 11:49 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I'd suggest that the FAQ's definition of a BTS appearance is maybe too narrow. My understanding of a BTS appearance would include a character who's subsequently revealed to have been present, although they're not seen on panel. Such a character isn't actually influencing the events of the story - indeed, the original writer may not even have intended them to be there - but they're surely entitled to a BTS listing.
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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 02:26 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

True, but in this case, Kayla is only "present" in the sense that she's on the planet being pictured. She's no more "present" than every other character in the New Universe. 


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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 02:47 am    
By JLH

That wasn't the reason I called it a BTS. I called it such because her presence in this specificly sealed place directly affects everything Quasar does in the story. The entire plot revolves around her without her being on-screen. 

Here's another addition, this time, I know there's no dispute about it being right: 

MEPHISTO 
... 
TS 15 
**SS3 93-BTS (it's later revealed the quakes Ant Man detects here, and which the group seeks out the source of, were caused by Mephisto) 
**SS3 94-BTS (again, the quakes spur the plot) 
**SS3 95-BTS (once again, the quakes. Also, Mephisto as Nova is seen being created in the shadows) 
SS3 96 
SS3 97 
... 

Again, is The Starmasters mini in the gap, or between the cracks? Similarly, the special Silver Surfer: Dangerous Artifacts is missing and is from 96.

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 02:46 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

JLH wrote: 
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Again, is The Starmasters mini in the gap, or between the cracks? Similarly, the special Silver Surfer: Dangerous Artifacts is missing and is from 96. 
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Both are between the cracks. Please provide an analysis in the issue analysis forum. 


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Thread 4

Posted: 30 Jun 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: House of M, Exiles, New Universe Justice
By Jason Doty

I was just reading the Justice's Entry from All New OHOTMU no.6 and I read "Another counterpart of Tensen's, from Earth-15731, was taken as a host body by the reality warping Proteus of Earth-58163, battled the demension-hopping Exiles..." 

This entry confirms that the Exiles travled to an alternate "New Universe," which many of us suspected, but raises the question of which Proteus the Exiles were dealing with. 

Either the Scarlet Witch merged the Earth-616 with Earth-58163 or the designation changed when she altered it, or the Exiles travled to another "House of M" universe and left the 616 Beak there, or their Beak was not the 616's in the first place. 

This gets more muddled the more I read. Anyone want to once again revist the theories so we might come to group concenses on exactly what happened.

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 12:25 am    
By SeanCurtin

Jason Doty wrote: 
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Either the Scarlet Witch merged the Earth-616 with Earth-58163 or the designation changed when she altered it, or the Exiles travled to another "House of M" universe and left the 616 Beak there, or their Beak was not the 616's in the first place. 
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The Handbook writers seem to be taking the quite frankly unsupported stance that stories set in altered realities (House of M, Forever Yesterday in New Warriors, and the Morgan Conquest storyline in Avengers vol. 3, among others) take place in differently-numbered Earths, even though time travel isn't involved and reality is restored to normal at the end of the storyline. I have no idea how reading the stories as they were actually written can lead one to this conclusion, unless one redefines the numbering of Earths to refer to something other than alternate Earths. 

-Sean

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 12:59 am    
By Jason Doty

SeanCurtin wrote 
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The Handbook writers seem to be taking the quite frankly unsupported stance that stories set in altered realities (House of M, Forever Yesterday in New Warriors, and the Morgan Conquest storyline in Avengers vol. 3, among others) take place in differently-numbered Earths, even though time travel isn't involved and reality is restored to normal at the end of the storyline. 
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I don't believe it is completely unsupported, Age of Apocalypse was a reversal, and yet years later that Earth is revisited. 1602 or whatever stemed from the 616 and still continued. 

I'm starting to think that every time there is reality altering it becomes a divergent point and no mater how it is restored or who remembers it, it becomes a seperate reality. 

It seems that everytime Marvel staff or volunteers cannot reconcile a story it will become a divergent Earth #, or will say something to the nature of "remains to be seen" 

I agree we should chronologically view a story as it happened, but the OHOTMU is going to tell us that this is a divergent reality isn't that how we are going to view it? By putting it in the "Official Handbook" isn't that their stance? 

I guess this debate will come down to, "Did the Exiles visit the House of M, or a divergent one?

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 06:15 am    
By Somebody

There's several explicit statements in the Exiles series itself that the House of M they visited was (an altered) "Earth-Six-One-Six", in the HoM issues, and at the start of the Heroes Reborn/Counter-Earth two-parter. 

I'd go with the comics over the HB here.

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 03:38 pm    
By Nathan P. Mahney

I figure that with all of these altered reality stories, there is at least one point where we get "What If the MU had remained as the House of M?" There's a reality out there somewhere in which the MU did not return to normal, and that's the one with the meaningless and arbitrary number attached to it. 

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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 06:37 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Jason Doty wrote: 
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I don't believe it is completely unsupported, Age of Apocalypse was a reversal, and yet years later that Earth is revisited. 1602 or whatever stemed from the 616 and still continued. 
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AoA was a diferent beast, though. That one involved time travel, which is established as creating divergent timelines by its very nature, rather than a hand-waving "person with cosmic-level power decrees that everything is different now". 

-Sean

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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 06:42 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Age of Apocalypse doesn't involve the transformation of Earth, but rather the alteration of history. It's perfectly viable to read the story as "Legion travels back in time and creates a divergent world." Granted, it's NOT the way the story was presented at the time, but it's tenable, and it's been proved correct by subsequent stories using the AoA timeline. 

House of M IS Earth-616 transformed, and as others have said, this is confirmed directly in EXILES. If the Handbook says otherwise, it's wrong. I don't see any obvious reason to treat the other "transformed earth" stories in a different way, and indeed, it's something of a stretch to see how they can possibly count as alternate earths without intentionally misreading the plot.
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Thread 5

Posted: 02 Jul 2006 06:51 am    Post subject: Key question
By Paul O'Brien
Director

How do we propose to list stories such as this month's "Masked Marvel" back-up strip, which appears to be canon, but appears simultaneously in X-MEN #187 and YOUNG AVENGERS #12? We can't really pick one and treat the other as a reprint, and it would be misleading to list both and use the ~ symbol, since that would imply two separate stories. Do we need another symbol to indicate a story which appears in two comics, both of them equally "original"?
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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 07:39 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I'm noting this story as X 187/2 because the back-up strip was explicitly noted on the cover of that issue but not on the cover of YA 12.
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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 09:31 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I think we need a better methodology. No doubt, at some point in the near future, Marvel will pull this same marketing strategy again, but both (or neither) book will include cover blurbs. 


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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 10:40 am    
By Dhall

Since the two are the exact same story, published at the same time, how about using = as the identifier: 

X 187/2 = YA12/2 

then you avoid the use of ~ which is inappropriate, and you clearly show that the content of the stories is equivilant. You would list the book alphabetically, X = Y in this case, rather than Y = X.

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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 10:50 am    
By Somebody

Why not do the same thing for straight reprints, but with the earliest printing first?

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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 10:59 am    
By Dhall

Straight reprints add nothing to the chronology, and therefore do not need to be added to the MCP. The problem here, is that neither of these books are reprints.

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Thread 6

Posted: 02 Jul 2006 01:21 pm    Post subject: Young Avengers #12
By Mikhail

Okay, given the finality of the series for the moment, some placement issues can be addressed. The entire She-Hulk Vol 2 series now clearly takes place after YA #12, since Vision adopted the caped look in this last arc, and appeared like that in She-Hulk #1. Then there's the issue of Annihilation, and whether it occurs before or after Super-Skrull's appearances in YA. I'd say YA #12 does an excellent job of leading into Annihilation Prologue #1, where we see Kl'rt on a Kree outpost. Until/unless the "posing as Hulkling" storyline is readdressed down the line, we can ASSume he was there already serving out his half-year as Teddy with the Kree, and he chose to abandon that post when he heard of the Annihilation Wave in Skrull territory. 

How's that?

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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 03:20 pm    
By Somebody

Well, let's be honest - how many Kree are going to survive to tell them that "Hulkling" was K'lrt?

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Thread 7

Posted: 03 Jul 2006 08:20 am    Post subject: Uncanny X-Men annual 1
By meyakus

what issues of Black Panther does this story take place, can't be 14 and 15 unless it's between Storm's walk with T'Challa's mother and then giving the answer to his proposal in the tree. And wasn't this comic delayed?


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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 09:14 am    
By jephyork
Director

See this thread. 

http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=2409

-Jeph!

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Thread 8

Posted: 18 Jan 2006 09:40 am    Post subject: Ellis on Nextwave
By lkseitz

From Warren Ellis' e-mail list: 

Warren Ellis wrote: 
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But if you're one of those real frightening anal sticklers for Marvel continuity? And you get genuinely angry about people playing fast and loose with Marvel comics canon? Please don't pick [NEXTWAVE] up. You'll have a heart attack, and I don't need that on my conscience, despite the wonders it'd do for my reputation. 
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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 12:58 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Well, I don't think that's really going to come as a surprise to anybody. And to be honest, it doesn't really bother me in self-contained titles off to the side.
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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 01:31 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I really have no problem with it. Just because we declare a story non-canon, doesn't mean it isn't good, or worth reading. 


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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 02:56 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

Sure, Ellis will have it self contained for now, but then Kirkman will have the "nextwave" team show up in Marvel Team-Up, and Vaughan will make a reference to them in Runaways... 


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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 03:08 pm    
By Somebody

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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Well, I don't think that's really going to come as a surprise to anybody. And to be honest, it doesn't really bother me in self-contained titles off to the side. 
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Unlike, say, Black Panther? 

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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 03:34 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

*shakes fist to the skies* 

HUDLIIIIIIIINNNN!

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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 03:42 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Can we get over that, already? We found a way to make it fit. 

And before we declare "Nextwave" non-canon, let's actually read an issue. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 05:36 pm   
By ADMINISTRATOR

Your point is well taken, but I don't think anyone's done that. Perhaps you're heading us off at the pass. 


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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 05:51 pm    
By jephyork
Director

I'm definitely heading people off at the pass. Comic fans can have extremely selective memories, and I don't want to put up with months of "but Ellis said it was non-canon". 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 10:05 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

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Posted: 18 Jan 2006 11:10 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I just assumed he was talking about us. 


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Posted: 19 Jan 2006 04:44 am
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I don't think Ellis is saying that it's non-canon, so much as that he doesn't much care about consistency with other titles. And as long as it doesn't start trying to interact with other titles (or it's kept to minor guest appearances), it really doesn't pose a problem for the consistency of the MU as a whole. 

I've no doubt the book is going to be asserted as canon by Marvel and by the HANDBOOK, but that's not really Ellis' problem.
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Posted: 01 Feb 2006 02:53 pm    
By John Simons

I just got my copy of issue 1 from Westfield, so I thought I'd throw out a few continuity-related comments from the first issue: 

Dirk Anger and HATE 
We knew from pre-release interviews that Ellis originally wanted to use Fury and SHIELD, but I didn't predict how thin the veil would be. Like SHIELD, HATE is a super-agency dedicated to fighting terrorism. SHIELD's HQ is the flying Helicarrier; HATE's is the flying Aeromarine. Like Fury, Anger is old (90) and has had his life prolonged by drugs. SHEILD agents wear blue jumpsuits, HATE's are green. You get the picture. 
Does it destroy all credibility that two such similar organizations could co-exist on Earth-616? It's hard to swallow, but in a universe where there's a Doctor Doom and a Doctor Bong, and about a half-dozen different entities claim to be Satan, I think I can buy it. 
Why would we need two different anti-terrorism organizations? Beats me. Personally, I don't understand why in the real world the DEA is its own organization instead of, say, a branch of the FBI, so I'm the wrong person to ask... 

Maria Rambeau 
According to the narration, Monica's mother is dead. Now, she was alive and well in Avengers Infinity #1, but then again that came out about 6 years ago so it's conceivable that she could have passed away since then. She seemed like a nice enough lady, too bad she (according to Ellis): "went to Hell, and is used as a bucket by giant weasels dressed as cheerleaders." 

Fin Fang Foom 
Is it just me, or do none of this monster's appearences ever smoothly transition from the previous one? Last I heard, ol' FFF was shrunken to man-sized and working in the mail room or something at the Baxter Building. As this comic opens, he is dozing underground in North Dakota of all places! If you read his entry in the Marvel Monsters handbook, they tend to have him keep returning to his regular sleeping place between appearences, but that's in China. How the heck did he end up in North flippin Dakota? 
Ellis also comes up with a completely out-of-left field origin for FFF: "Mommy was slut-lizard that did the bad thing with suggestively-shaped piles of nuclear waste, and nine months later..." Cute, but FFF is actually from outer space. But wait! Here's where I try for my no-prize (and trample over a perfectly good joke): Ellis never actually says the mother and the waste were on Earth at the time! Do Kakaranatharians have nuclear waste, too? FFF was probably immaculately conceived back on his homeworld long before he and his cohorts came to our little blue marble. 

Bloodstone's citizenship 
Elsa talks like a Brit and Tabitha refers to her as "that English girl", although according to the Horror Handbook she was born in Boston! Her entry says she grew up mostly in Europe, so I suppose this is not so much a continuity error as Tabitha jumping to a wrong conclusion. 

Machine Man's attitude 
Like many Warren Ellis characters, Aaron Stack is grouchy and sarcastic here, a far cry from his Jack Kirby days. Then again, he has been known to have a few personality shifts before (wasn't he a mutant hunting death machine in his last series?), so I feel this can be written off as a short circuit of some kind... 

Monica's powers 
In a flashback, we see a young (about 11, I'd guess) Monica using her powers to blast an annoying yipping dog. Another cute sequence, except of course that Monica didn't get her powers until adulthood! Ellis wasn't kidding about playing fast and loose with continuity, was he? I can think of 3 possible explanations for this : 
1) Monica is actually a mutant, but somewhere along the way she lost/forgot about her powers. She didn't actually gain powers in ASM @16, but rather regained them/remembered them. 
2) The flashback shouldn't be taken literally, but rather child-Monica imagining what she would she would do to the annoying dog if only she had superpowers. This might actually work considering the dog ends up not dead, but charred and smoking like Yosemite Sam after he's just been shot by a cannon... 
3) This comic is not in continuity! But that's no fun!  

I suppose if Ellis keeps playing by his own rules, eventually I will have to capitulate and vote to throw this series out of continuity, but so far I feel he has definitely bent and warped continuity, but not broken it...
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Posted: 01 Feb 2006 04:02 pm    
By Somebody

You forgot the mutant formerly known as "Boom Boom" saying all codenames are lame. Pot, kettle, black 

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Posted: 01 Feb 2006 05:01 pm    
By JD

I think she actually meant that her codenames sucked. Which is fair enough 

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Posted: 01 Feb 2006 06:40 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

John Simons wrote: 

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Bloodstone's citizenship 
Elsa talks like a Brit and Tabitha refers to her as "that English girl", although according to the Horror Handbook she was born in Boston! Her entry says she grew up mostly in Europe, so I suppose this is not so much a continuity error as Tabitha jumping to a wrong conclusion. 
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Depends. Where did the Handbook get its information? If a comic says that Bloodstone is English, and only the Handbook says she was born in Boston, guess what? The Handbook's wrong, or more generously, out-dated. 


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Posted: 02 Feb 2006 09:05 am    
By lkseitz

Administrator wrote: 
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Depends. Where did the Handbook get its information? If a comic says that Bloodstone is English, and only the Handbook says she was born in Boston, guess what? The Handbook's wrong, or more generously, out-dated. 
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I re-read the BLOODSTONE mini a week or two ago. I know she mentioned that she picked up some British slang from living there. I forget if it explicitly said she was born in America or simply implied it.
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Posted: 02 Feb 2006 11:56 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Given that the book asserts a completely conflicting origin for Fin Fang Foom and has Monica with powers as a child - combined with Ellis' own comments on the book's attitude to continuity - I'm provisionally inclined to say it's non-canon. 

On the other hand, these are essentially peripheral aspects of the story which could quite easily be written off as an "unreliable narrator" device, so if Marvel decide that the book is in fact canon, I have no problem with that. 

The HANDBOOK will undoubtedly end up clarifying the position sooner or later, which makes it unnecessary for us to decide one way or the other.
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Posted: 02 Feb 2006 12:03 pm    
By rhod

Does Bloodstone's Handbook entry state Boston,US? There is (at least) one Boston in England...

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Posted: 02 Feb 2006 12:18 pm    
By Somebody

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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The HANDBOOK will undoubtedly end up clarifying the position sooner or later, which makes it unnecessary for us to decide one way or the other. 
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Does anyone think the Handbook will say anything other than "It's canon"?

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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 12:33 pm    
By Chris McCarver

I'm not sure what the MCP's policy is on weight given to the sort-of "spinoff" handbooks, such as New Avengers Most Wanted Files or Marvel Monsters: The Files of Ulysses Bloodstone, but, that being said, X-Men: The 198 Files lists, under her entry, Tabitha's affiliation with H.A.T.E. Since it's technically a "Handbook-only" reference, YMMV. I should also note, though once again it's only listed in the Handbooks, that X-Men: The 198 Files is referenced in OHOTMU bibliographies, such as "So-and-so revealed to have not lost his/her powers during M-Day (X-Men: The 198 Files, 2006)."
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Posted: 23 Feb 2006 02:06 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

A TO Z #2 has a profile for Boom-Boom (under that name, strangely) and says nothing about Nextwave at all. Since 198 FILES was written by the same people, and mentions it, we can only conclude that it has been deliberately omitted. The only obvious reason for doing so would be that NEXTWAVE has been ruled non-canon. 

I believe we may have a first - a story that the OFFICIAL HANDBOOK doesn't regard as canon! And here I was thinking it was just colouring-in pictures on the back of pizza boxes.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2006 02:14 pm    
By Chris McCarver

On a slightly off-topic note, I started to think the same about the third Alpha Flight series as well. If you check Aurora's profile in A-Z #1 and Northstar's in X-Men 2005, nothing that happened in that series was made mention of in either profile. 

Then again, Centennial appeared in A-Z #2, and of course, we saw the new Puck and Major Mapleleaf (getting their posteriors handed to them) in the latest New Avengers. And of course, this means little, but Tabitha's drawn in her Nextwave attire on the cover of A-Z #2. 

Oy, the conflicting...
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Posted: 23 Feb 2006 02:35 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Chris McCarver wrote: 
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On a slightly off-topic note, I started to think the same about the third Alpha Flight series as well. If you check Aurora's profile in A-Z #1 and Northstar's in X-Men 2005, nothing that happened in that series was made mention of in either profile. 
<<<

But the mainstream Aurora and Northstar aren't IN the third Alpha Flight series, are they? Just the doppelgangers from a past timeline.
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Posted: 23 Feb 2006 03:04 pm    
By Chris McCarver

The original Alpha Flight were in issues #5 and #6 of the third series, seen as captives of the Plodex. They left at the end of the story arc to deliver the embryonic new Plodex population to their homeworld. Were those Alphans the time-displaced duplicates? 

EDIT: Whoops, my bad, Jeanne-Marie and Jean-Paul weren't part of the team that wa captured. Never mind. 
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Posted: 24 Feb 2006 01:08 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Monica Rambeau somewhat cryptically states that she's "working for someone else now" in Black Panther v4 #13, and claims to have dropped the name Pulsar as well. 

Hmm. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Feb 2006 02:38 pm    
By SKleefeld
Director

jephyork wrote: 
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Monica Rambeau somewhat cryptically states that she's "working for someone else now" in Black Panther v4 #13, and claims to have dropped the name Pulsar as well. 
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Don't know why you're posting this to this thread (is Monica in Next Wave -- I haven't looked at or really watched this discussion very closely), but I didn't take her comment in BP 13 to be cryptic at all. She indicated, I thought, in one of the previous issues that she was working for her father now.

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Posted: 24 Feb 2006 02:55 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Yeah, Monica IS in Nextwave, and distinctly minus any codename. And I was posting that info as a counter to Paul O.'s conclusion that Nextwave was non-canon because the Handbook didn't mention it. 

(I suppose a simpler counter would be Russ' old chestnut "lack of evidence doesn't equal evidence"...  ) 

And if memory serves, Monica was standing next to her father when she said she was working for someone else now ... to me, the scene didn't read like she was talking about her dad. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 04:21 am    
By Eric J. Moreels

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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I believe we may have a first - a story that the OFFICIAL HANDBOOK doesn't regard as canon! And here I was thinking it was just colouring-in pictures on the back of pizza boxes. 
<<<

Geez, Paul, what is it with you and your seemingly neverending snarky comments regarding the Handbooks? What, did they run over your dog or something? 

Oy...

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 04:52 am
By jephyork
Director

Can you shed some light on whether or not Marvel considers Nextwave canon then, Eric? Or whether they haven't told you one way or the other? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 05:33 am    
By Eric J. Moreels

jephyork wrote: 
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Can you shed some light on whether or not Marvel considers Nextwave canon then, Eric? Or whether they haven't told you one way or the other? 
<<<

I can't comment in any official capacity, but personally I don't consider Nextwave canon. Then again, I don't consider Hudlin's Black Panther canon either. Ultimately, it's not my call. 

The reason it made it into Boom-Boom's profile in the 198 Files is because I'd not been privy to any scripts from the series at the time that was written. It was left out of her profile in the A-Z series because I'd read the script for the first issue and noted the continuity discrepancies and thought it best to err on the side of caution and not to mention it.

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 06:55 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Would we be safe in inferring, then, that Marvel declined to provide a ruling on NEXTWAVE one way or the other? I mean, I'm assuming you took the obvious step of simply asking, and if you'd got a straight answer, you wouldn't need to make a call on it. 

Are you saying, in other words, that Marvel's editors don't know whether it's canon either?
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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 06:59 am    
By Eric J. Moreels

That's not what I'm saying at all, Paul. I'm saying I made the decision not to reference Nextwave in Boom-Boom's profile given that, at the time of writing, Nextwave's status as canon was still - in my mind at least - in doubt.

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 09:34 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

But don't you have an editor who should be able to answer questions as fundamental as "Is this ongoing title canon?"
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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 10:26 am    
By jephyork
Director

Sounds like he didn't ask. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 10:57 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Well, I'm assuming he did. I mean, whatever else one says about the HANDBOOK, the research is pretty exhaustive. I'm pretty much taking it for granted that they would have done something as elementary as asking the editor. Why on earth wouldn't they? 

For that matter, it seems remarkable that the editor would fail to notice that the title character of a newly-launched book - one of only a handful of major, currently-active characters covered in the issue - had a profile which didn't mention that new book at all. In fact, wouldn't the point have leapt to the editor's mind at the stage of selecting artwork from the recent X-FORCE series rather than the current NEXTWAVE book (which, after all, seems to have been used as the reference for the cover art)? 

And haven't the HANDBOOK contributors explained before that everything ultimately gets reviewed by Tom Brevoort for continuity purposes? 

I'm not doubting that Eric ended up having to take a view on this himself - obviously, if there had been a direct ruling, he would simply have said so - but I'm confused as to how that could have come to pass. How can it be that no Marvel editor was able to provide a definitive answer to this question, even though every entry is supposed to be reviewed by two of them? Unless Marvel simply don't HAVE an answer because they've never even addressed their minds to the question, I don't understand why they wouldn't be able to give a clear answer to a simple question.
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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 11:12 am    
By Somebody

Eric, can you at least tell us WTH she's included under a codename she last used fifteen years and two codenames ago? (If you're including Nextwave, she should simply have been listed as "Smith, Tabitha", if not, "Meltdown". And, oc, she's also been "Boomer" more recently than "Boom-Boom").

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 12:30 pm    
By Marc-Oliver Frisch

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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Unless Marvel simply don't HAVE an answer because they've never even addressed their minds to the question, I don't understand why they wouldn't be able to give a clear answer to a simple question. 
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Without having any inside knowledge on the A TO Z series, the notion of Marvel simply not WANTING to address the canonicity of NEXTWAVE in any definitive manner doesn't seem remote to me. 

Peter David had the same approach towards FALLEN ANGEL when it was published by DC, for example, for fear that once and for all clarifying its status would drive those readers who were hoping for a Supergirl connection away.
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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 01:17 pm    
By jephyork
Director

I was thinking much the same thing: this is Marvel keeping their options open, in case (a) Ellis veers way off-course, or (b) the series is definitively referenced in another canon comic. 

-jeph!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 02:26 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

The problem is that the HANDBOOK, by definition, can't simply dodge the question indefinitely. I don't believe they've covered Machine Man yet, for example, so presumably he's coming up later. If you're going to publish something like the HANDBOOK - particularly one with the ultra-completist list-every-story bent of the current contributors - then simply declining to decide whether something is canon is not an option.
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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 03:10 pm    
By Mark O'English

On the Nextwave issue... 

We did indeed ask Marvel, or, more specifically, submitted several different ways with which it could be dealt with (things along the lines of explaining the irregularities, including it but ignoring the irregularities, declaring it another universe, or just ignoring it). The word from our guy at Marvel was the last option- don't include it, and leave it open to further developments. 

This should not be taken as "it is in continuity" or "it isn't in continuity". We got an answer from our editor on how to deal with it, but we don't have the reasoning behind it. If we had been told it was non-continuity, we probably would have stuck a final line in to the effect of "on Earth-421651425124, Boom Boom is part of Nextwave, a..." 

My personal suspicion, though- just as you guys here at the MCP frequently have to wait until a story is finished (and sometimes until long after a story is finished) to figure out exactly where it fits chronologically, sometimes Marvel has to do exactly the same thing continuity-wise. 

Thanks for the interest, 
Mark O'English, small fish in the Handbook pond 

And, skimming the rest of the board as I look- why "Boom Boom" and not "Meltdown" if Nextwave might not be continuity? 
Short answer: its a screw-up. 
Long answer: we write these three or four months prior to publication (though we can frequently make small last second changes with maybe a month to go). The character map and cover art are begun before that. We had Boom Boom elsewhere. We got told about Nextwave, and that she'd be Boom Boom again. We moved her up. Since she's moderately well known, we put her on the cover. They drew the cover. They colored the cover. We get a script and learn that Nextwave's Boom Boom's continuity status is questionable, and then the word not to mention Nextwave. It is indeed a screw-up, though I'm still not sure how we could have avoided it (short of not including on the cover any characters that we know are currently being used, which is not exactly a great sales move!). Sometimes we can fix it in time, sometimes we can't. While we wish it hadn't happened, my own opinion is that this one seems pretty minor, as she's very well known as Boom Boom- we do have a bigger cover error coming up next book that you can look forward to raking us over the coals for. :( 

Again, thanks for the interest!

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 03:20 pm    
By Somebody

Mark O'English wrote: 
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we do have a bigger cover error coming up next book that you can look forward to raking us over the coals for.  
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http://tinyurl.com/rzy3f 
Miscolouring the Demogoblin as some... weird Green Goblin/Hobgoblin hybrid, you mean?

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Posted: 25 Feb 2006 03:28 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Thanks for that clarification, Mark. Sounds like Marvel's deliberately hedging their bets for the moment, then.
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Posted: 26 Feb 2006 03:00 am    
By jannepie

That, and Drax is the one that should be colored green.

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 08:41 am    
By Somebody

Quesada said at the weekend that, "For the time being, Nextwave is considered to be a separate universe much in the same way the Ultimate titles are" [1]

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 08:47 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Nice of them to tell the HANDBOOK writers, who cheerfully included NEXTWAVE stories in their Machine Man profile last week.
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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 11:02 am    
By jephyork
Director

Meanwhile, in his own forum on the Joe Q boards, Tom Brevoort said just yesterday that "NextWave is within the Marvel Universe". He also said that the only reason it didn't cross over with Civil War is that Warren chose not to participate. 

-Jeph!

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Thread 9

Posted: 23 Jun 2006 08:00 am    Post subject: pls help!!
By makaveli16

i want to start reading marvel comics and i need a timeline so i can read all the marvel comic books by order and not miss any special or crossover. 
pls help me i looked in every site i could find.

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Posted: 23 Jun 2006 08:38 am    
By jephyork
Director

Do you OWN all the Marvel comic books? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 23 Jun 2006 10:08 am    
By makaveli16

almost all. 
i live in israel and i bought almost all of the books. 
my dad has a compeny named elit in israel so i got the money.

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Posted: 23 Jun 2006 10:18 am    
By jephyork
Director

You really just bought more than 30,000 comic books? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 23 Jun 2006 10:36 am    
By makaveli16

naa i was lying i downloaded the comix hahahaha!!!!

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Posted: 23 Jun 2006 12:58 pm    
By jephyork
Director

OMFGLOLROFLMAO 

-Jeph

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Posted: 23 Jun 2006 04:40 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

Well, for starters, your best bet may be to start with Fantastic Four #1... 
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Posted: 23 Jun 2006 09:02 pm    
By frogcoin

im not too deep in the marvel universe, kevin has a good point but also i would recommend you start with the group that you like most of the 60's to the date, these are some of the 60's solo/group heros with his own comic: 

1961 Fantastic Four 
1962 Hulk 
1963 Spider-man, Nick Fury, X-Men, Avengers, Dr. Strange 
1964 Daredevil 

about not miss anything and follow a timeline of ALL the marvel universe IN ORDER thats really a daunting task. is "somehow" better cover it by reading complete series 

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Posted: 24 Jun 2006 06:24 pm    
By scroogeMcduck

I agree, I think it would be an insane idea to try to read them all like that. For starters, you'd be stuck in the 60s for so long, and unless you are a diehard 60s fan, I think they can get kind of tiresome by modern standards in large doses; they are really wordy!

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 05:50 pm    
By cnowlin

I'm looking to do that myself. I'm trying to read Fantastic Four #1 through about the Infinity Gauntlet(beyond that is not yet realistic for me). My plan is to read chunks of a single character as much as possible until crossovers and focus more on when things were published than when they were set. I have spent a while going through this website and cross-referencing all the characters chronologies listed here, while making my own decisions along the way. If you want, I can let you see what I have. But it's a) unfinished and b)needs a ton of double checking

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Thread 10

Posted: 03 Jul 2006 07:49 pm    Post subject: Hangman question; Harlan Krueger
By Enda80

I think he was called Harlan Krueger in AWC by Jason Roland in the latter's first appearance-but this is only vague memory. 

Oddly, the Hangman (Harlan Krueger) has the same last 
name as Freddy Krueger. While I thought that this was 
a joke about his killing the makers of slasher movies, 
it turns out the original Handbook#5 gave him this 
name in 1983-one year before Nightmare on Elm Street 
came out in November 1984. (In the earlier Last House 
on the Left, also directed by Wes Craven there was a criminal named Krug. Also, an Atlas story had a Freddy Kruger.)

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 09:08 pm    
By Ant-Man

After reading your post, I'm trying to figure out what your "Hangman question" is...
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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 12:12 am    
By Col_Fury

I think he's asking if Hangman's real name is Harlan Krueger, and if anyone can verify it... 

Am I right? Do I win a prize?
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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 05:32 am    
By Enda80

Yes, originally I thought that the name "Harlan Krueger" was coined for him by the Deluxe Edition of the Handbook as a sort of joke ("Hey, he kills people who make slasher movies, let us give him the same last name as Freddy Krueger".) However, the original Handbook in 1983 also refers to him as Harlan Krueger-one year before Nightmare on Elm Street came out. So it could not have been a reference to NOES, which probably means it was used in an actual story.

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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 11:49 am    
By SeanCurtin

There's also another supervillain named Krueger: Gustav Krueger, the Rattler. I would imagine that he was given that name as a gag to go along with the real name of his Serpent Society teammate, the Cobra (Klaus Voorhees). 

-Sean

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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 12:43 pm    
By Enda80

Was the Cobra's last name given before 1980? The Handbook came out in 1983, so barring a proven use in an earlier published story I do not know whether that was an homage to senior citizen females in blue sweaters.

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Thread 11

Posted: 05 Jul 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Pheonix End-Song
By dubj1979

As far as this story goes were does it sit in the Astonishing Chrono? 
My friend is reading Astonishing and I also have these, so I wanna get it in semi order for him. 
Thnx

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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 01:58 am    
By JD

Paul B.'s calendar has it between ASTONISHING #6 and #7, which is where I'd place it too.

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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 03:32 pm    
By dubj1979

cool thnx

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Thread 12

Posted: 05 Jul 2006 05:51 pm    Post subject: Beyond! [SPOILERS]
By Somebody

Two things: 

*There's a potential reset button coming up after only one issue. Spidey appears in his classic costume, and gets killed by Scorpion/Venom - visibly pierced through the stomach and last-wording, mixing Medusa up with MJ. Since there's no way this will stick, the whole series is suspect. 
*Wasn't the Beyonder/Kosmos/Maker turned into a mortal in Thanos and killed in Annihilation (body discovered in A:SS3)? 

Otherwise, Hank Pym appears in a yellow-and-black Dr Pym-like outfit, rather than his Yellowjacket costume, Medusa appears in her Kirby suit & mask rather than her Son of M "consort" or action outfits (no reference of any sort is made to that mini AFAICS), and Wasp's in her Coipel outfit (surely one of her longest serving costumes by this point...). 

So, post MKSM12 (if it's in), and likely pre-Civil War, possibly pre-Other, but not certainly as of yet, and, well, I suppose if it's the real Beyonder, it kinda has to be post-Annihilation Prologue, possibly post-Annihilation proper, and assume that killing the Maker just turned her back into the Beyonder (have any of the characters herein met the Beyonder since he became a she?). S/he's shown only as s/he was in the first Secret Wars.

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Thread 13

Posted: 27 Jun 2006 07:45 pm    Post subject: Storm and Black Panther
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Okay, so where's the gap in BP4 15? 

At the end of BP4 14, T'Challa asks Ororo to marry him. This scene segues right into BP4 15, in which the proposal is followed by an attack from the new Arabian Knight. "Ten minutes later," the couple is in a jet heading for Wakanda. As they fly, Colonel Shetani is agitated about Ororo's remaining in Africa. Storm and Panther arrive in Wakanda, T'Challa's mother greets them and immediately has a private talk with Ororo. Ororo rejoins T'Challa and tells him about her talk with mother. T'Challa proposes again and Ororo says "yes." Pretty straightforward -- no gaps. 

Then I read UX@2 1 (following on the heels of Storm's call for help in UX 474), in which the Uncanny team helps Storm defeat Colonel Shetani. Everything's going smoothly until the very last panel, in which Ororo tells her teammates, "I owe the King of Wakanda an answer to his question" within the context of healing an old wound to her heart. Argh. So, we're to believe that UX@2 1 occurs sometime between the proposal at the start of BP4 15 and the acceptance at the end of that issue. More specifically, between the Shetani scene on page 13 of BP4 15 and the acceptance scene that starts on page 21. 

Here's the best I could come up with: Ororo appears in UX 474 and UX@2 1 between pages 20 and 21 of BP4 15. After Ororo's chat with mother, Ororo decides, "Hey, I have to do something about that Shetani dude...right now!" She calls the Uncanny team and they defeat Shetani lickety split (in a matter of hours), then Ororo (with a hidden, cauterized wound from UX@2 1) rejoins the Panther and accepts his proposal. Not the smoothest sequence of events, but force-fitting scenes seems to be par for the course during these days of divorce for the left hands and right hands at Marvel. 

(I'm not even going to get into the gap of months I had placed between UX 474 and BP4 15. Sheesh...)
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Posted: 27 Jun 2006 11:42 pm    
By Col_Fury

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Ororo appears in UX 474 and UX@2 1 between pages 20 and 21 of BP4 15. After Ororo's chat with mother, Ororo decides, "Hey, I have to do something about that Shetani dude...right now!" She calls the Uncanny team and they defeat Shetani lickety split (in a matter of hours), then Ororo (with a hidden, cauterized wound from UX@2 1) rejoins the Panther and accepts his proposal. 
<<<

That works pretty nicely. You could even put pg21 as the next day after pg20 if needed. T'Challa asks Ororo how it went with his mother, which only says that he hasn't seen Ororo since she saw his mother, which doesn't specifically mean that it's the same day. 

But yeah, that works for me.
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Posted: 28 Jun 2006 06:06 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Well, it works, just a bit awkwardly, as events tend to go these days in MU continuity. 

Actually, after visiting with T'Challa's mom, Storm said, "I really have to go to Kenya and deal with that Shetani dude...right now!" Once there, she contacts the X-Men, they jet over, violence ensues, and Storm is led to her grandmother who she meets for the first time. She tells the X-Men that she owes T'Challa an answer and flies back to Wakanda. When she sees T'Challa next, he asks about Ororo's meeting with his mother. Ororo accepts the proposal, then off panel, Ororo says, "oh, by the way, I was gone for a bit there, I fought Shetani in Kenya, got some nasty wounds in the process, and met my grandma." Yup, that's the way it happened. Couldn't ask for a smoother sequence of events, eh?
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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 12:27 pm    
By meyakus

lol

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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 10:00 am    
By Primetime

Shouldn't UX 472 and UX 473 also fall between pages 20 ands 21 of BP 4 15? UX 472-474 is one arc. Storm is in Kenya in UX 472 dealing with Shetani's forces and wearing the exact same attire that she has on in UX 474 and UX@2 1 (she doesn't appear in UX 473). I would imagine that Storm's presence in Sudan with Logan comes after UX 471 since she is in Africa in that issue and she is with Logan. Plus, she is wearing different clothes from what she wears in UX 472. In UX 472, she states that she has spent weeks in the African countryside trying to stop the violence, so apparently weeks have past between UX 471 and UX 472. It could be during that time that she makes her way to Sudan where she meets up with T'Challa.

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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 09:14 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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Shouldn't UX 472 and UX 473 also fall between pages 20 ands 21 of BP 4 15? UX 472-474 is one arc.  
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For sure.
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Thread 14

Posted: 12 Feb 2006 07:31 pm    Post subject: Franklin Richards: Son of a Genius
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I rifled through last week's FRANKLIN RICHARDS, SON OF A GENIUS one-shot and noticed that at least two stories in it were previously published. The Christmas story first appeared as X 181/2. The story with the Doombots first appeared as FF 534/2. Two questions: 

1) Were any of the other stories in FRSG previously published? 

2) Assuming canonicity (which I am), how will the MCP cite stories first published elsewhere? I assume it's the citation that relates to the earliest publication, so the only time FRSG would be cited is for never-before-published stories therein. 

Anyone want to take a stab at analysis of any first-time stories?
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Posted: 12 Feb 2006 08:38 pm    
By Somebody

Just those two this time.

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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 02:14 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I believe the other two stories in that one-shot are original. The others should properly be treated as reprints because they appeared, in their entirety, somewhere else. 

I think the whole thing is of doubtful canonicity, given that it was originally created as a back-up strip for the current, non-canon version of POWER PACK, but admittedly there's nothing that seems sweepingly irreconcilable about these stories. You're looking for a period when Herbie's around and when Franklin is associated with Power Pack (since Katie turns up in one story).
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Posted: 13 Feb 2006 07:48 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

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You're looking for a period when Herbie's around and when Franklin is associated with Power Pack (since Katie turns up in one story). 
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You'll find various Franklin stories from other comics in the coming calendar, placed before the issue of FOUR in which Herbie gets legs. It would be good to know more about those two first-time stories in Franklin's comic. I didn't know about Katie's appearance, for instance.
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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 08:17 pm    
By Somebody

Much as I hate to do an Enda, I was glancing through New Handbook #5 for something unrelated there - and the HERBIE entry treats these as canon and present-day, if we're bothering with what the HB says, and (again contingent on taking the Handbook as unvarnished fact) also clarifies that Franklin's HERBIE *is* a different HERBIE unit to the one that got a humanoid body in MK4.

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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 01:45 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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I think the whole thing is of doubtful canonicity, given that it was originally created as a back-up strip for the current, non-canon version of POWER PACK, but admittedly there's nothing that seems sweepingly irreconcilable about these stories. 
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Just because a book's main story is non-canonical doesn't mean that any unrelated back-up stories presented in the same book are also non-canonical. The Thanos story from Logan's Run is probably the most blatant example of that. 

-Sean

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Posted: 06 Jul 2006 07:15 pm    
By Enda80

Somebody wrote: 
>>>
Much as I hate to do an Enda, I was glancing through New Handbook #5 for something unrelated there - and the HERBIE entry treats these as canon and present-day, if we're bothering with what the HB says, and (again contingent on taking the Handbook as unvarnished fact) also clarifies that Franklin's HERBIE *is* a different HERBIE unit to the one that got a humanoid body in MK4. 
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I read that! (I can't say "I heard that!" since I did not use one of those computer programs that read words for the blind/near-sighted.) 

I remembered something about King Arthur in those stories, the Frankie ones.

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Thread 15

Posted: 08 Jul 2006 07:48 am    Post subject: Doctor Strange in V&SW
By ssstegron

Doctor Strange has an appearance listed for V&SW 6 that needs to be corrected. I think it was intended to be for V&SW2 6, since V&SW is only 4 issues, and the entry is between his appearances in V&SW2 2 and 11. 

DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN STRANGE 
... 
V&SW2 4 
DRSTR2 75 
SWII 5 
V&SW2 6 
PPTSS 115 
AF 36 
M/FAN 41 
V&SW2 11 
... 

Hope this helps, 
ssstegron

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Thread 16

Posted: 02 Jul 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Original Iceman 4-part mini
By metaldragon

Does anyone know why the original Iceman mini is placed between Defenders 139 & 140 here? There's a better spot I'd suggest but I wanted to know if there was any official word from Marvel on it's placement. Thanks!
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Posted: 08 Jul 2006 02:36 am    
By metaldragon

Hmmm. No response... anyone...? Bueller? 

OK, I can go out on a limb here... I was going to suggest between (New) Defenders 131 & 132. Anyone agree or disagree? 

The only clue for placement is in Defenders 130. Iceman thinks "Maybe going home next month for dad's retirement party* will give me some time to think things over..." The footnote says: *See our upcoming Iceman limited series by J. M. DeMatteis and Alan Kupperberg. So it has to come after this issue. 

There is no indication of how much time passes between Defenders 130 & 131. (It could be a month.) Angel, Iceman, and Beast are together in Defenders 131 where Beast begins his college lecture circuit in New York. The rest of the Defenders stayed in California. Iceman, Angel and Beast are handed their single most humiliating defeat in a run of angst-inducing defeats in this issue. (You have to read it to believe it.) 

At beginning of the Iceman 4-part mini, Iceman is at his most depressed. In Iceman 3, while in Oblivion's realm, he is confronted with his many short-comings and failures. He manages to overcome them and comes out of it a stronger and more confident person. At the end of Iceman 4, Angel and Beast join up with Iceman and there is no sign of the other Defenders, which ties it in with Defenders 131 to my mind. Also interesting to note, Defenders 131 is the last issue J. M. DeMatteis and Alan Kupperberg did of the Defenders. (They were the main writer/artist team from Defenders 126-131. A new team took over in Defenders 132.) 

In Defenders 132 Iceman demonstrates his new-found confidence by saving everyone from a deadly, mutated plant single-handedly. 

Now, it's possible the mini-series could fall between Defenders 139 & 140 but Iceman demonstrates more confidence since Defenders 132 and the regression back to his feelings of depression and failure seem out of place at this point. Also, in his vision in Oblivion's realm in Iceman 3, Iceman sees Gargoyle with his right hand intact (it was chopped off in Defenders 137) and Moondragon with Odin's power-limiting headband on (he released her from it at the end of Defenders 139). 



Something else I noticed in my research: I think the ROM & Sub-Mariner issues will have to be pushed back between Defenders 130 & 131 due to the overlap of Beast's absense from the team on his lecture circuit (131-134), Gargoyle's kidnapping (134fb-137) & missing right hand (137-141), and Moondragon's freedom from Odin's power-limiting headband (139) & new black and white costume (140). 

Prince Namor, The Sub-Mariner 3 (of 4) [Nov '84] shows Beast present, Gargoyle present with right arm free of bandage and sling, and Moondragon with headband and green costume (along with Angel, Iceman, and Valkyrie) watching Namor on tv together. 

ROM 65-66 [April-May '85] shows Beast present, Gargoyle present with right hand intact, and Moondragon with headband and green costume, together with the rest of the Defenders in the battle against the Dire Wraiths.
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Posted: 08 Jul 2006 08:40 am    
By lkseitz

metaldragon wrote: 
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ROM 65-66 [April-May '85] shows Beast present, Gargoyle present with right hand intact, and Moondragon with headband and green costume together with the rest of the Defenders in the battle against the Dire Wraiths. 
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I have vague recollections when those issues first came out of noticing that many of Ditko's representations of the heroes were slightly out of date. I suppose that's not really helpful, but I thought I'd mention it.
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Thread 17

Posted: 09 Jul 2006 07:42 pm    Post subject: Man-Thing I
By scottandrewhutchins

MAN-THING 
TOS 81/2 


Would this be the "Molten Man-Thing" that appeared in FF Unlimited #7?

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Posted: 09 Jul 2006 08:45 pm    
By SeanCurtin

The Molten Man-Thing appeared in TOS 7, not 81. I have no idea who or what the Man-Thing in TOS 81/2 is. 

-Sean

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Posted: 09 Jul 2006 10:01 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

It's a creation of the Red Skull, who possesses the Cosmic Cube. Captain America refers to it as "the Man-Thing." 


watching: buffy

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Posted: 09 Jul 2006 10:30 pm    
By scottandrewhutchins

Ironic, considering MTIO #42 & 43...

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Posted: 09 Jul 2006 10:43 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Don't give comic book fans a bad name; explain what you're talking about. There are too many thousands of stories out there for me to remember how Marvel Two-In-One 42 is any more ironic than issue 41. 


watching: buffy

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Posted: 10 Jul 2006 09:29 am    
By scottandrewhutchins

It's a Cosmic Cube story involving Captain America and Man-Thing.

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Posted: 10 Jul 2006 02:16 pm    
By garbonzo

Administrator wrote: 
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Don't give comic book fans a bad name;  
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Yes, because our names are currently spoken with reverence by all!

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Thread 18

Posted: 11 Jul 2006 09:29 am    Post subject: Ashcans
By electronicLad

Few questions about ashcans. (X-men ashcan, generate x ashcan) 
I've seen some references to these, but notice they aren't in the key here. 
So... 

1. What in the heck is an ashcan? 

2. Are the stories in them new? 

3. Are they in continuity? 

Thanks for the help. 
-e

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Posted: 11 Jul 2006 10:42 am    
By jephyork
Director

Quote: 
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1. What in the heck is an ashcan? 
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A digest-sized, cheap, black-and-white book used to promote an upcoming series. 

Quote: 
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2. Are the stories in them new? 
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Sometimes. 

Quote: 
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3. Are they in continuity? 
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Sometimes. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 11 Jul 2006 04:49 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

It's worth mentioning that this is the MODERN sense of "ashcan." Originally, an ashcan was a comic never actually intended for distribution, but produced solely for legal reasons - usually to lay claim to the title.
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Thread 19

Posted: 13 Jul 2006 06:19 pm    Post subject: Millar's MKSM and Sins Past
By Somebody

Did we ever decide which order these went in and why?

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Thread 20

Posted: 11 Jul 2006 08:29 pm    Post subject: Acts of Vengeance chronology
By Paul Bourcier
Director

In my continuing (and probably concluding) insanity of dumping old, unchecked notes onto this board, I present the era of Acts of Vengeance, which may or may not agree with the MCP (since I haven't checked) or fall on the calendar where I initially placed it. But, what the heck... 

(I noticed a curious thing -- a super-powers registration act was being debated by Congress at this time. Hmm. What goes around comes around.) 

So, FWIW... 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #363 (1st story: end) 
(one day; "several days" after CA 363 1st beg end; full moon inconsistent with that in CA 362 1st; perhaps Monday, September 20) 
Captain America, Peggy Carter, Man-Wolf (as John Jameson), Diamondback II, Lia, Madam Xiana, Mister Phun, Crossbones 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #364 (1st story) 
(same night as CA 363 1st end; full moon; perhaps Monday, September 20) 
Captain America, Diamondback II, Eddie, Mister Phun, Crossbones, Red Skull 

QUASAR #4 
(must be same day as CA 364 1st; probably a weekday; must be more than "two months" after Q 2, perhaps about six months after; "seven cycles" after Q 4 FB end; "a few years" after Rom 65 and MTIO 58; full moon; perhaps Monday, September 20) 
Quasar III, Starbrand II (as Kayla Ballantine), Eon, Aquarian, Quantum 

SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #158 
(one day; after WOSM 58 and WOSM Ann 5 2nd; the "Monday" after ASM 326; perhaps September 20) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson (Parker), J. Jonah Jameson, Joe Robertson, Martha Robertson, Randy Robertson, Amanda Robertson, Cynthia Bernhammer, Max Lubisch, Nick Katzenberg, Stuart McPhee, Stephan, Trapster, Kingpin, Wizard, Dr. Doom, Magneto, Loki 

WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #59 
(same night as SSM 158; "some months" after MSHSW 7; FF 333 referred to as "quite recently"; newspaper date of "Wednesday, January 4" must be topical; warm weather; full moon; perhaps Monday, September 20) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson (Parker), Ben Urich, Kate Cushing, Joy Mercado, Lance Bannon, Nick Katzenberg, Puma, Titania II, Dr. Doom, [Captain Universe] 

FANTASTIC FOUR #334 (beginning) 
(must be same night as Q 4; full moon; perhaps Monday, September 20) 
Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing (as Ben Grimm), Human Torch II, Ms. Marvel II, Tattletale (as Franklin Richards), Lyja (as Alicia Storm Imposter), Officer Mareske, Constrictor, Beetle, [Dr. Doom] 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story -- flashback: page 3, panel 2) 
(must be same night as FF 334 beg; perhaps Monday, September 20) 
Dr. Doom 

AVENGERS #311 (all except pages 11-12) 
(same night as Q 4 and Av Ann 19 3rd FB pg. 3, pn. 2; shortly after Av 318 FB; superheroes are already fighting foes they've never faced although they may be skirmishes not recorded anywhere; pages 11 and 12 must be a flash forward; perhaps Monday, "September" 20) 
Quasar III, Guardsman II (as Michael O'Brien), Mechanaut, Peggy Carter, M'Daka, Keith Kincaid, Donna Maria Puentes, Nuklo (as Bob Frank), Frank, Mandarin, Dr. Doom, Loki 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #365 (1st story: beginning) 
(probably morning after CA 364 1st; "six hours" after Av 311; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Captain America, Diamondback II, Man-Wolf (as John Jameson), Guardsman II (as Michael O'Brien), Mechanaut (as Fabian Stankowicz), Peggy Carter, M'Daka, Edwin Jarvis, Sub-Mariner, Controller, Crossbones, Red Skull, Loki, [Quasar III], [Stingray] 

QUASAR #5 (beginning) 
(same morning as CA 365 1st beg; "eight hours" after Av 311; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Quasar III, Stingray, Guardsman II (as Michael O'Brien), Absorbing Man, Loki 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story -- flashback: page 4, panel 1) 
(same day as Q 5 beg; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Awesome Android, Sentry 459, Sleeper, Super Adaptoid, Tess One 

FANTASTIC FOUR #334 (end) 
(morning after FF 334 beg; must be same morning as CA 365 1st beg; before MT 411; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing (as Ben Grimm), Human Torch II, Ms. Marvel II, Tattletale (as Franklin Richards), Captain America, Thor, Ernie, Shocker, Ramrod, Plantman Simuloid, Quill, Flying Tiger 

QUASAR #5 (middle) 
(later the same morning as Q 5 beg; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Quasar III, Starbrand II (as Kayla Ballantine), Gilbert Vaughn, Eon, [Shintaro Kuramoto] 

FANTASTIC FOUR #335 
(same day as FF 334 end; probably a weekday; "a few months" after XF 26; reference to X-Factor's seemingly dropping off the face of the earth must be attributable to an undocumented adventure; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Mr. Fantastic (as Reed Richards), Invisible Woman (as Sue Richards), Thing (as Ben Grimm), Human Torch II, Ms. Marvel II, Tattletale (as Franklin Richards), Henry Peter Gyrich, Mr. Hodkins, Congressman Martin, General Neddington, Hamilton Nathanson, Pat Mullet, Rodney, Diego Ramirez, Fred, Miriam, Paul Grant, Sergeant Spaulding, James Pertierra, Apocalypse, Ramrod, Plantman Simuloid, Quill, Flying Tiger, Thunderball, Eel, Mad-Dog, Vanisher 

FANTASTIC FOUR #336 
(same day as FF 335; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Ms. Marvel II, Tattletale (as Franklin Richards), James Pertierra, Pat Mullet, Paul Grant, Congressman Martin, Sergeant Spaulding, Armadillo, Owl, Orka, Man-Ape, Stilt-Man, Whirlwind, Baron Brimstone, Super-Adaptoid, Hydro-Man, Water Wizard, Dr. Doom Robot 

QUASAR #5 (end) 
(same afternoon as Q 5 mid; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Quasar III, Ken Tanaka, Captain America, Shintaro Kuramoto, Absorbing Man 

IRON MAN #251 
(must be same day as Q 5 end; not long after DC 1 end; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Iron Man, War Machine (as Jim Rhodes), Chemistro (as Curtis Carr), Chemistro III, Wrecker, Wizard 

IRON MAN #252 
(same day as IM 251; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Iron Man, War Machine (as Jim Rhodes), Bambi Arbogast, Chemistro (as Curtis Carr), Chemistro III 

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #327 
(must be day after WOSM 59; ASM 326, SSM 158 and WOSM 59 have all occurred during "the past few days"; a college school day; newspaper date of "Wednesday, October 4, 1989" must be topical; the remark that "Halloween isn't for two weeks yet" is probably topical or a joke, but Halloween season is probably approaching; green grass and trees; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson (Parker), Flash Thompson, Blaze xxxx, Max Lubisch, Magneto, Wizard, Dr. Doom, Kingpin, [Captain Universe] 

SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #159 
(must be same day as ASM 327; SSM 158 and WOSM 59 have occurred during "the last couple of days"; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Spider-Man, J. Jonah Jameson, Cynthia Bernhammer, Stuart McPhee, Brothers Grimm II, Wizard, Dr. Doom, [Captain Universe] 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #53 (flashback: end) 
(one day; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Vapor, Ironclad, X-Ray 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #53 
(same day as AWC 53 FB end; must be same day as IM 252; must be day after Av 311 since the west coast team discovers that the east coast team's communications system is out; chronological analysis suggests that this story occurs about a month after FF Ann 22 1st, so Wanda could not have been catatonic for all that time -- her affliction must have kicked in shortly before this story as a result of many events including that in FF Ann 22 1st; Simon's reference to everything since WCA 42 happening during "the past few weeks" must mean the past few months; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Wonder Man, Vision II, Scarlet Witch, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, U.S.Agent, Human Torch, Iron Man, Ann Raymond, Vector, Vapor, Ironclad, X-Ray, Immortus, Magneto, Loki 

AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT #27 (2nd story) 
(same day as Q 5 beg; may not actually occur at the same time as AWC 53, CA 365 1st end, MT 411, Q 5 end, and IM 251, especially since AWC 53 and IM 251 cannot happen at the same time because Tony Stark is in both stories -- this story may simply occur the same day as all those other stories and the vignettes from those stories are not considered part of this story; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Photon II (as Captain Marvel II), Black Widow II, Firebird, Moondragon, Hellcat, Stingray, Awesome Android 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story -- flashback: page 4, panels 4-5) 
(same day as AS 27 2nd; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Captain America, Falcon, Black Widow II, Hellcat, Moondragon, Firebird, Guardsman II (as Michael O'Brien) 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #14 (5th flashback) 
(one day; "days" before DSSS 14 end; perhaps day before DSSS 10; full moon; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Baron Blood II (as Victor Strange), Morbius, Marie Laveau 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #365 (1st story: end) 
(same night as FF 334 end; must be after Pun 28 beg; full moon; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Captain America, Guardsman II (as Michael O'Brien), Peggy O'Brien, Edwin Jarvis, Sub-Mariner, Controller, Red Skull, Dr. Doom, Wizard, Kingpin, Loki 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #366 (1st story: pages 1-4) 
(same night as CA 365 1st end; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Captain America, Giant-Man (as Henry Pym), Sub-Mariner, Mechanaut (as Fabian Stankowicz), Red Skull, Wizard, Mandarin, Dr. Doom, Kingpin, Magneto, Loki 

MIGHTY THOR #411 (1st story: page 1-page 6, panel 3) 
(same night as CA 366 1st pg. 1-4, FF 334 end and AS 27 2nd; "weeks" after NW 1; the news report about Avengers Island being attacked "earlier this afternoon" must be incorrect -- that event occurred the night before; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Thor, Thunderstrike (as Eric Masterson), Hercules (as Harry Cleese), Kevin Masterson, Susan Austin 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #366 (1st story: page 5, panel 1) 
(same night as CA 366 1st pg. 1-4 and MT 411 1st pg. 1-6; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Controller 

MIGHTY THOR #411 (1st story: page 6, panels 4-6)/CAPTAIN AMERICA #366 (1st story: page 5, panel 2) 
(same night as CA 366 1st pg. 5, pn. 1; MT 411 shows the battle with Cain Marko occuring in the daytime, while CA 366 shows the same scene at night -- the latter is probably correct; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Thor, Juggernaut, Controller 

MIGHTY THOR #411 (1st story: pages 7-9) 
(same night as MT 411 1st pg. 6, pn. 4-6; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Thor, Juggernaut 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #366 (1st story: page 5, panel 3-page 7, panel 5) 
(same night as MT 411 1st pg. 7-9; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Thor, Juggernaut, Controller, Crossbones, Voice 

MIGHTY THOR #411 (1st story: pages 10-17) 
(same night as CA 366 1st pg. 5-7; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Thor, Night Thrasher, Nova, Kymaera (as Namorita), Justice II (as Marvel Boy II), Firestar, Speedball, Andrew Chord, Tai, Juggernaut 

MIGHTY THOR #412 (1st story) 
(same night as MT 411 1st; perhaps Tuesday, September 21) 
Thor, Hercules (as Harry Cleese), Kevin Masterson, Susan Austin, Marcy Steele, Night Thrasher, Nova, Kymaera (as Namorita), Justice II (as Marvel Boy II), Firestar, Speedball, Juggernaut, Loki 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #366 (1st story: pages 8-16) 
(probably early morning after MT 412 1st; perhaps Wednesday, September 22) 
Captain America, Diamondback II, Controller, Crossbones, Voice, Red Skull, Loki 

PUNISHER #28 (pages 1-4) 
(one day; "two days" after SSM 158; perhaps Wednesday, September 22) 
Kingpin, Dr. Doom 

ALPHA FLIGHT #78 
(one night and next day; AF 77 referred to as "the other day"; "months" after AF 70; after DSSS 10 1st; after May; during Acts of Vengeance; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Box III (as Madison Jeffries), Shaman (as Michael Twoyoungmen), Talisman II, Puck (as Eugene Judd), Diamond Lil (as Lillian Crawley), Dr. Strange II, Wong, Captain Forsa, Veronica Langkowski, Zeitgeist II, Master, Llan the Sorcerer 

DAREDEVIL #275 (beginning) 
(one day; must be after SSM 158 and probably very shortly after Pun 28 pg. 1-4; this segment may be a flashback that occurs out-of-sequence with other issues of DD; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Ultron 13, Dr. Doom 

NOMAD #2 (end) 
(one night; probably several days after NMD 2 beg; 
Andrea Sterman, Valerie Cooper, Henry Peter Gyrich, Lewis Haywerth 

NOMAD #3 
(probably same night as NMD 2 end and into next morning; jacket weather in Minneapolis; full moon is inconsistent with that in NMD 1 beg and NMD 2 beg and may be topical; 
Nomad III, Bucky VI, Valerie Cooper, Henry Peter Gyrich, Lewis Haywerth, Daniel Harding, Eddie Vanelli, Carson, J.J., Mr. Crossman, Bucky's Mom 

MARC SPECTOR, MOON KNIGHT #8 
(one night; at least "three days" after Frank Castle's last appearance, so probably before Pun 28 pg. 5-12; during the week that "every costumed psycho in the world is trashing New York"; full moon; perhaps Wednesday, September 22) 
Moon Knight, Midnight III, Punisher, Anarchy, Flag Smasher, Ultimatum 

MARC SPECTOR, MOON KNIGHT #9 
(same night as MSMK 8; full moon; perhaps Wednesday, September 22) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline (as Frenchie Duchamp), Punisher, Tuff, Anarchy, Flag Smasher, Ultimatum 

WOLVERINE II #19 
(one day; since both Magnus and the Skull are involved in Acts of Vengeance, this story must occur between CA 365 1st and CA 367 1st; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Wolverine, Bandera, Jack Bascomb, Sister Salvation, Felix Caridad, Tiger Shark, Geist, Roughouse, Kingpin, Magneto, Red Skull, Dr. Doom, [Gateway] 

WOLVERINE II #20 
(same night as Wolv 19 and probably the next morning; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Wolverine, Bandera, Sister Salvation, Felix Caridad, Tiger Shark, Geist, Roughouse, [Spore] 

UNCANNY X-MEN #248 (beginning) 
(one night; shortly after UX 247; full moon; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Storm, Colossus III, Psylocke (as Betsy Braddock), Longshot, Dazzler II (as Alison Blaire), Havok (as Alex Summers), Gateway, Jubilee, Nanny, Orphan-Maker, Bonebreaker, Skullbuster, Pretty Boy, Wade Cole, Angelo Macon, Murray Reese, Lady Deathstrike, White Bishop (as Donald Pierce) 

UNCANNY X-MEN #267 (1st flashback: beginning) 
(same night as UX 248 beg; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Storm, Colossus III, Dazzler II (as Alison Blaire), Havok (as Alex Summers) 

UNCANNY X-MEN #248 (middle) 
(same night as UX 267 1st FB beg; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Colossus III, Dazzler II (as Alison Blaire), Havok (as Alex Summers) 

UNCANNY X-MEN #267 (1st flashback: end) 
(same night as UX 248 mid; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Nanny 

UNCANNY X-MEN #248 (end) 
(same night as UX 267 1st FB end; before Wolv 21; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Colossus III, Psylocke (as Betsey Braddock), Dazzler II (as Alison Blaire), Havok (as Alex Summers) 

WOLVERINE II #21 
(same day as Wolv 20 end; between UX 248 end and UX 249, probably the same day as UX 248 end; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Wolverine, Colossus, Havok, Dazzler II, Psylocke, Bandera, Felix Caridad, Sister Salvation, Geist, Roughouse, Spore 

UNCANNY X-MEN #249 
(perhaps day after UX 248 end; after Wolv 21, probably later the same day; at least "days" after UX 246; it must be more than mere "weeks" after UX 243 and XF 39; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Colossus III, Psylocke, Dazzler II, Havok, Gateway, Polaris, Ramon, Malice IV, Bonebreaker, Wade Cole, Angelo Macon, Murray Reese, Lady Deathstrike, White Bishop (as Donald Pierce), Amphibius, Barbarus, Gaza, Whiteout, Zaladane 

UNCANNY X-MEN #250 
(same day as UX 249 and perhaps into the next day; the reference to "mid-winter" in Antarctica must be topical; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Colossus III, Psylocke, Dazzler II, Havok (as Alex Summers), Gateway, Polaris, Ka-Zar, Shanna, Kyle Plunder, Nereel, Vassily Illyich, Semyon Eduardovitch, Dimitri, Peter, Lasha, Amphibius, Barbarus, Brainchild, Gaza, Lupo, Worm, Zaladane, [Holloway] 

UNCANNY X-MEN #251 (flashback) 
(same day as UX 250 end; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Colossus III, Psylocke, Dazzler II, Havok (as Alex Summers), Gateway, Bonebreaker, Skullbuster, Pretty Boy, Wade Cole, Angelo Macon, Murray Reese, [Lady Deathstrike], [White Bishop (as Donald Pierce)] 

WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #60 
(one evening; shortly after SSM 159; "a few days" after SSM 158; "weeks" after SSM 156; "all these months" after SSM 149; must be before CA 367 1st since Magnus is still part of Acts of Vengeance; it must be early in the fall since May is raking leaves but the grass and trees are still green -- indeed the narration states that there is an "Indian summer heat wave"; a weekday; perhaps Thursday, September 23) 
Spider-Man, May Parker, Nathan Lubensky, Kate Cushing, Glory Grant, Puma (as Thomas Firehart), Nick Katzenberg, Goliath II, Magneto, Kingpin, Dr. Doom 

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #328 (beginning) 
(probably the same night as WOSM 60 and the next morning; after IH 363; full moon; perhaps Thursday and Friday, September 23-24) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson (Parker), Flash Thompson, Hulk, Amber, Ernie, Fritz, Black King (as Sebastian Shaw) 

PUNISHER #28 (pages 5-12) 
(one day; "two days" after Pun 28 pg. 1-4; the falling autumn leaves may be a little premature; perhaps Friday, September 24) 
Punisher, Microchip, Dr. Doom Robot, [Sheila], [Dr. Doom] 

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #328 (middle) 
(same day as ASM 328 beg end; a school day during the college year; full moon; perhaps Friday, September 24) 
Spider-Man, Hulk, Black King (as Sebastian Shaw) 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #12 (1st story) 
(one day; "a few days" after DSSS 11 1st; after "several" of the Acts of Vengeance prime movers assembled; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Wong, Rintrah, Sara Wolfe, Imei Chang, Arkon, Enchantress, Executioner II, [Morgana Blessing] 

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #328 (end) 
(day after ASM 328 mid; perhaps Saturday, September 25) 
Spider-Man (as Peter Parker), Mary Jane Watson (Parker), Hulk (as Bruce Banner), Black King (as Sebastian Shaw) 

POWER PACK #62 (flashback) 
(one day; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Red Ghost 

POWER PACK #61 
(same day as PP 62 FB; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Powerhouse II (as Mass Master II), Lightspeed, Destroyer III, Counterweight II, Tattletale, James Power, Margaret Power, Smartship Friday, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Elan, Toro (as Raymond), Red Ghost, Mikhlo, Igor, Peotor 

POWER PACK #62 (page 1-page 19, panel 3) 
(same day as PP 61; "a few weeks" after PP 60; sometime between FF 336 and 350; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Powerhouse II (as Mass Master II), Lightspeed, Destroyer III, Counterweight II, Tattletale, James Power, Margaret Power, Smartship Friday, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Ms. Marvel II, Elan, Toro (as Raymond), Red Ghost, Mikhlo, Igor, Peotor 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #13 (1st story) 
(probably day after DSSS 12 1st; DSSS 8 referred to as having occurred "the other day"; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Rintrah, Sara Wolfe, Imei Chang, Morgana Blessing, Arkon, Baron Mordo, Enchantress 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #14 
(same day as DSSS 13 1st; begins a "few days" after DSSS 10 1st; "days" after DSSS 14 FB; probably a couple of days after a Thursday; full moon may be topical; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Rintrah, Sara Wolfe, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II (as Victor Strange), Morbius 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #15 
(same night as DSSS 14; perhaps fourth week of September) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II (as Victor Strange), Marie Laveau 

PUNISHER #28 (page 13, panels 1-4) 
(one day and next day; begins "thirty-six hours" after Pun 28 pg. 5-12; perhaps Sunday and Monday, September 26-27) 
Punisher (as Frank Castle), Microchip 

SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #160 
(one day; shortly after ASM 328 end; may be a little more than just a "few days" after Av 311 and ASM 326; "weeks" after WOSM 57; a "few weeks" after SSM 156; early in the week; perhaps Monday, September 27) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson (Parker), J. Jonah Jameson, Marla Madison (Jameson), Cynthia Bernhammer, Nick Katzenberg, Mac, Tess One, Hydro-Man, Shocker, Rhino, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, Loki, [Magneto] 

WEB OF SPIDER-MAN #61 
(same day as SSM 160; since Magnus and the Skull are both part of Acts of Vengeance, this story must take place between CA 365 1st and CA 367 1st; full moon may be topical; a weekday; perhaps Monday, September 27) 
Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson (Parker), Green Goblin II (as Harry Osborn), Liz Allan (Osborn), Norman Osborn II, Kristy Watson, Molten Man, Tess One, Dragon Man, Magneto, Wizard, Mandarin, Red Skull, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, Loki 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #9 (2nd story) 
(one day; probably after DSSS 13 1st; perhaps 
Dr. Strange II, 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #10 (2nd story) 
(same day as DSSS 9 2nd; perhaps 
Dr. Strange II 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #11 (2nd story) 
(same day as DSSS 10 2nd; perhaps 
Dr. Strange II 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #12 (2nd story) 
(same day as DSSS 11 2nd; perhaps 
Dr. Strange II, 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #13 (2nd story) 
(same day as DSSS 12 2nd; perhaps 
Dr. Strange II, 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #367 (1st story) 
(one morning; must be after Wolv 19 and WOSM 61; perhaps late September) 
Captain America, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Sub-Mariner, Mechanaut (as Fabian Stankowicz), Ilsa, Sleeper, Controller, Crossbones, Magneto, Red Skull 

QUASAR #6 
(must be same morning as CA 367 1st since Peggy notes that Steve is in Washington; Eddie Brock has broken out of the Vault "twice already"; Wendell has a presentation to make "next Monday" and refers to the super powers registration act; FF Ann 24 2nd 2nd FB shows a scene that directly follows this issue but it must be a false story, since Klaw appears in Av Ann 19 3rd FB and AS 29 2nd; perhaps late September) 
Quasar III, Starbrand II (as Kayla Ballantine), Eon, Peggy Carter, Guardsmen, Watcher, Venom, Klaw, Living Laser, Red Ghost 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #368 (1st story: beginning) 
(same day as CA 367 1st; before Av 312 since the statues in Avengers Park are still standing, so Jarvis' reference to the Mandarin, a reference to Av 313, must be a mistake since that issue has not yet occurred; XM Ann 13 1st is referred to as occurring "last summer" and chronological analysis suggests that indeed that story happened in late June of the summer that has just ended; perhaps late September) 
Captain America, Diamondback II (as Rachel Leighton), Edwin Jarvis, Rankin, Red Skull Robot, Magneto Robot, Crossbones, Black Mamba (as Tanya Sealy), Asp II (as Cleo Nefertiti), King Cobra 

PUNISHER #28 (page 13, panel 5-page 22, panel 6) 
(one day; "two days" after Pun 28 pg. 13, pn. 1-4 end; the statement that Doom has "96 hours" left of a "week" that started in Pun 28 pg. 1-4 contradicts Castle's own log of his daily activities and Frank's statement that Pun 28 pg. 5-12 occurred "three days ago" -- the log is probably correct; full moon may be topical; perhaps Wednesday, September 29) 
Punisher, Microchip, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, Dr. Doom II 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story -- flashback: page 5, panel 7) 
(day after Q 6; perhaps late September) 
Photon II (as Captain Marvel II), Klaw 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #19 (flashback: beginning) 
(one day; perhaps late September) 
Rena Butler, Jim 

PUNISHER #29 (pages 1-3) 
(same night as Pun 28 pg. 13-22; Fisk has had his "hands full with the Avengers in recent weeks"; perhaps Wednesday, September 29) 
Punisher, Dr. Doom II 

POWER PACK #62 (page 19, panel 4) 
(one day; shortly after PP 62 pg. 1-19; perhaps late September) 
Destroyer III (as Jack Power), Counterweight II (as Katie Power), James Power, Margaret Power, [Powerhouse II (as Mass Master II)], [Lightspeed (as Julie Power)], [Tattletale (as Franklin Richards)] 

EXCALIBUR #29 (including flashback) 
(same day as PP 62 pg. 19, pn. 4 and the next morning; after PP 62 beg; perhaps late September) 
Captain Britain, Meggan, Phoenix III, Lockheed, Powerhouse II (as Mass Master II), Lightspeed (as Julie Power), Destroyer III (as Jack Power), Counterweight II (as Katie Power), Tattletale (as Franklin Richards), James Power, Margaret Power, Smartship Friday, Marty, Nightmare 

AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT #28 (1st story: beginning) 
(one day; perhaps end of September) 
Jerkins, Angar the Screamer (as Hawkeye Imposter), Screaming Mimi (as Mockingbird Imposter) 

PUNISHER #29 (pages 4-7) 
(day after Pun 29 pg. 1-3; perhaps Thursday, September 30) 
Punisher, Microchip, Captain America, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, [Dr. Doom II] 

AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT #28 (2nd story: end) 
(one day; "several weeks" after AS 28 2nd beg; Simon and Jan are testifying before Congress on the super-powers registration act; green grass and trees; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Wonder Man, Wasp, Gargantua, Mad Thinker 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #16 (1st story: beginning) 
(one day; at least three "days" after DSSS 15; 3/4 moon; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Rintrah, Sara Wolfe, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II (as Victor Strange), Morbius, Rahl, Marie Laveau 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #16 (2nd story) 
(same day as DSSS 16 1st beg; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #17 (2nd story) 
(same day as DSSS 16 2nd; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #20 (2nd story) 
(same day as DSSS 17 2nd; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #16 (1st story: end) 
(same day as DSSS 20 2nd; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II, Rintrah, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II, Morbius, Brother Voodoo, Marie Laveau 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #17 (1st story) 
(same night as DSSS 16 1st end; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II, Rintrah, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II, Morbius, Brother Voodoo, Bambu, Dragonus, Marie Laveau 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #18 
(same night as DSSS 17 1st; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II, Morbius, Brother Voodoo, Bambu, Marie Laveau, Varnae 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #19 (flashback: end) 
(must be same day as DSSS 18; "two days" after DSSS 19 FB beg; perhaps end of September or beginning of October) 
Rena Butler, Jim 

NEW WARRIORS #6 (flashback) 
(one day; "months" before NW 6; 
Star Thief, Mr. Pirvot, Mrs. Pirvot 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #19 
(day after DSSS 19 FB end and DSSS 18; perhaps beginning of October) 
Dr. Strange II, Rena Butler, Carrie Butler, Lendell Maddox, Azrael 

PUNISHER #29 (pages 8-14) 
(day after Pun 29 pg. 4-7; after Av 311;"a few short weeks" after Loki contacted Doom; Fury states that "SHIELD hasn't been activated for two months" so it must be a little less than two months after NFAS 7; perhaps Friday, October 1) 
Punisher, Microchip, Nick Fury, Dr. Doom II, Dr. Doom, Loki 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #368 (1st story: middle) 
(one day; "days" after CA 368 1st beg; "years" after CA Ann 4; perhaps beginning of October) 
Captain America, Man-Wolf (as John Jameson), Guardsman II (as Michael O'Brien), Peggy Carter, Edwin Jarvis, Magneto Robot, Crucible, Paralyzer, Mist Mistress, Black Queen 

PUNISHER #29 (pages 15-21) 
(day after Pun 29 pg. 8-14; must be after Av 312 since Freedom Force must have returned for a rematch with the Avengers in this issue; Namor's appearance here must be a mistake since a public appearance would shatter the widespread belief that he is dead -- it must be Quasar who appears here instead, as shown on the cover; perhaps Saturday, October 2) 
Punisher, Microchip, Captain America, Thor, Quasar III, Blob, Pyro, Avalanche, Dr. Doom, Loki 

MOTORMOUTH & KILLPOWER #4 (2nd story: page 5, panel 5) 
(one day; "12 months" after MM&KP 4 2nd pg. 4-5; 
Killpower (as Julius Mullarkey) 

NAMOR, THE SUB-MARINER #1 (beginning) 
(one day; must be after CA 367 1st; "months" after IM Ann 10 1st end; perhaps early October) 
Sub-Mariner, Carrie Alexander, Caleb Alexander, Chief Ve'ehalo 

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #12 (beginning) 
(one day and next day; begins shortly after Pun 29 pg. 15-21; perhaps first week of October) 
Punisher, Gretchen Carrenna, Freddie Hernando, Simon Winston, Marilyn, Bushwacker, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, Loki, [Jason Hunt] 

SPIDER-MAN: THE LOST YEARS #1 
(one night and next day; second day must be a weekday, probably early in an academic semester; bare and green trees and brown grass in Utah; jacket weather; Raven is 54 years old; 
Spider-Man II (as Ben Reilly), Kaine, Louise Kennedy, Jacob Raven, Helene Raven, Matthew Raven, Elizabeth Tyne (as Janine Godbe), Nora Epstein, Stevie, Duke, Jimmy the Mouth, Vincent Tannen, Jack, Bull, Tommy, Danny 

SPIDER-MAN: THE LOST YEARS #2 (beginning) 
(same rainy night as SMTLY 1 end and next day; both days must be weekdays during the academic year -- the second day can't be Friday; green grass and green and bare trees in Utah; 
Spider-Man II (as Ben Reilly), Kaine, Louise Kennedy, Jacob Raven, Elizabeth Tyne (as Janine Godbe), Professor White, Stevie, Vincent Tannen, Jack, Bull, Tommy, Danny 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #20 (1st story) 
(one day; probably shortly after DSSS 19; perhaps early October) 
Dr. Strange II, Wong, Rintrah, Imei Chang, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II (as Victor Strange), Morbius, Baron Mordo, Zom 

NOMAD #4 
(one night and into early next morning; probably begins several days after NMD 3 end; "weeks" after NMD 1 beg; cold weather in Juneau; 
Nomad III, Bucky VI, Captain America, Andrea Sterman, Valerie Cooper, Henry Peter Gyrich, Major-General Sokolowski, Umberto Safilios 

AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT #27 (1st story) 
(one day; after Av 311 and before DC 2; "a couple of weeks" after AS 25 1st; perhaps first week of October) 
Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Boomerang, Loki, [Big Bertha] 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story -- flashback: page 7, panel 3) 
(one day; between AS 28 2nd end and Av 312; perhaps first week of October) 
Quasar III, She-Hulk, Hercules, Mondragon, Firebird, [Captain America] 

POWER PACK #62 (page 19, panel 5) 
(one day; shortly after Exc 29; perhaps early October) 
Powerhouse II (as Mass Master II), Lightspeed (as Julie Power), Destroyer III (as Jack Power), Counterweight II (as Katie Power), Tattletale (as Franklin Richards), James Power, Margaret Power 

ALPHA FLIGHT #79 
(one day; Alpha Flight has just finished moving into Maison Alpha, which Heather and Elizabeth first saw in AF 78; "the super-powers registration act is being ushered through Congress"; Heather's flashback story of she and Elizabeth doesn't seem to jibe with real chronology, especially the revelation that Heather is only "two years older" than Elizabeth; the newspaper date of "August" must be topical; green grass and trees; perhaps early October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Box III (as Madison Jeffries), Shaman (as Michael Twoyoungmen), Talisman II, Diamond Lil (as Lillian Crawley), Nemesis, Wild Child, Witchfire, Auric, Silver, Mr. Fraser, Tinkerer, Asp II, Owl (as Leland Owlsley), Nekra, Scorpion, Llan the Sorcerer, [Agent (as Rick Mason)] 

ALPHA FLIGHT #80 
(same day as AF 79; perhaps early October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Box III, Talisman II, Diamond Lil, Nemesis, Wild Child, Witchfire, Auric, Silver, Asp II, Owl, Nekra, Scorpion, Llan the Sorcerer 

AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT #28 (1st story: end) 
(one day; probably days after AS 28 1st beg; "weeks" after AS 26 1st; after Av 311; perhaps first week of October) 
Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Angar the Screamer, Screaming Mimi 

MUTANT MISADVENTURES OF CLOAK AND DAGGER #8 (end) 
(one day; "sometime" after MMOCAD 8 beg; perhaps after IH 367; perhaps early October) 
Cloak, Dagger, Michael Bowen, Hulk Robot, Hydro-Man, Rock, Andrea Von Strucker, Andreas Von Strucker, Jester II, [Ecstasy] 

MUTANT MISADVENTURES OF CLOAK AND DAGGER #9 
(same day as MMOCAD 8 end; shortly after MMOCAD 9 FB end; the super-powers registration act is rumored; perhaps early October) 
Cloak, Dagger, Michael Bowen, Francis Delgado, Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, She-Hulk, Wasp, Ruth, Marked Man, Hulk Robot, Hydro-Man, Rock, Andrea Von Strucker, Andreas Von Strucker, Jester II 

AVENGERS #312 (all except page 14) 
(same day as MMOCAD 9, according to Av Ann 19 3rd; Hank's reference to it being just "a few hours" since AWC 53 must be incorrect since enough time must separate AWC 53 and Av 312 to allow issues such as Wolv 19 and WOSM 61 to occur; must be before Pun 29 pg. 15-21; Mystique is still grieving over Irene Adler's death in UX 255; page 14 must be a flash forward; green grass and bare trees; perhaps early October) 
Captain America, Vision II, Falcon, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Blob, Pyro, Avalanche, Magneto, Wizard, Mandarin, Kingpin, Red Skull, Dr. Doom, Loki 

EXCALIBUR #30 
(one night and next day; at least days after Exc 29 and at least a week after Exc 28; "several days" after DSSS 18; Alistaire's birthday; perhaps early October) 
Captain Britain, Phoenix III (as Rachel Summers), Widget, Lockheed, Alistaire Stuart, Caledonia (as Alysande Stuart), Dai Thomas, Dr. Strange II, Wong, Rintrah, O'Hare, [Varnae] 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #44 (4th story) 
(one day; perhaps October) 
Puma 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #47 (4th story: page 8) 
(one day; "two months" after MCP 47 4th pg. 5-7; since Namor does not make his presence known, this segment may occur after his presumed death; perhaps between NTSM 1 beg and mid; whale watching season; 
Sub-Mariner, Manny Sabatine, Peggy, Magic the Whale 

SPIDER-MAN: THE LOST YEARS #2 (middle) 
(a series of consecutive nights lasting a "week" between SMTLY 2 beg end and SMTLY 2 end beg; 
Spider-Man II (as Ben Reilly), [Elizabeth Tyne (as Janine Godbe)], [Vincent Tannen] 

ALPHA FLIGHT #81 
(one night; shortly after AF 80; "several months" after AF 70; perhaps early October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch (as Walter Langkowski), Box III (as Madison Jeffries), Talisman II, Puck (as Eugene Judd), Northstar, Aurora, Persuasion, Pathway (as Laura Dean), Goblyn, Diamond Lil, Brian Winslow 

ALPHA FLIGHT #82 
(day after AF 81; "months" after AF 71; perhaps early October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch (as Walter Langkowski), Box III (as Madison Jefries), Shaman, Talisman II, Northstar, Aurora, Persuasion, Pathway (as Laura Dean), Goblyn, Diamond Lil, Brian Winslow 

ALPHA FLIGHT #87 (flashback within flashback) 
(one day; after AF 81; "weeks" before AF 87 FB; perhaps early October) 
Puck (as Eugene Judd) 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #90 (4th story: flashback) 
(one night; during college football season; 
Ian Jones, Gunther Stone, Dr. Hudson, Sergeant Gabels, Jerry, Fangu 

EXCALIBUR #31 
(one day; shortly after Exc 30; not a Tuesday; perhaps October) 
Meggan, Nightcrawler, Vega-Superior 

AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT #29 (1st story, including flashback) 
(one day; during Acts of Vengeance since Clint is still in New York; perhaps October) 
Hawkeye, Madcap, Dollar Bill, Pick Axe, Triphammer, Vice, Handsaw, Dr. Malus 

MARVEL SUPER-HEROES II #6 (2nd story) 
(one day; shortly after PP 62 pg. 19, pn. 5; perhaps October) 
Powerhouse II (as Mass Master II), Lightspeed, Destroyer III, Counterweight II, Tattletale, James Power, Margaret Power, Monster From the Lost Lagoon 

MUTANT MISADVENTURES OF CLOAK AND DAGGER #10 (flashback) 
(a span of time between Av 312 and MMOCAD 10; perhaps October) 
Wolverine II, Wall (as Colossus IV), Rogue II, Tempest II (as Storm II), Bedlam II (as Havok II), Dazzler III, Ilsa Moon, Roland Blaiswell, [Psylocke II] 

SOVIET SUPER SOLDIERS #1 (pages 57-59) 
(one day; "two months" after SSS 1 pg. 55-56; perhaps October) 
Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo VI, Unicorn III, Firefox (as Grigori Andreivitch) 

SPIDER-MAN: THE LOST YEARS #2 (end) 
(one night and next day; begins a "week" after SMTLY 2 beg end; jacket weather in Utah; 
Spider-Man II (as Ben Reilly), Kaine, Louise Kennedy, Jacob Raven, Matthew Raven, Elizabeth Tyne (as Janine Godbe), Jimmy the Mouth, Vincent Tannen 

SPIDER-MAN: THE LOST YEARS #3 (beginning) 
(same rainy night as SMTLY 2 end end and next morning; 
Spider-Man II (as Ben Reilly), Kaine, Louise Kennedy, Jacob Raven, Matthew Raven, Elizabeth Tyne (as Janine Godbe), Duke, Jimmy the Mouth, Vincent Tannen 

ALPHA FLIGHT #83 
(one day; shortly after AF 82; perhaps October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Box III (as Madison Jeffries), Shaman, Talisman II, Persuasion (as Kara Killgrave), Diamond Lil, Brian Winslow Imposter, Llan the Sorcerer, [Northstar (as Jean-Paul Beaubier)] 

ALPHA FLIGHT #84 
(same night as AF 83; "a week" after AF 80; perhaps October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Box III, Shaman, Talisman II, Northstar, Aurora, Diamond Lil, Nemesis, Wild Child, Witchfire, Auric, Silver, Brian Winslow Imposter, Llan the Sorcerer 

ALPHA FLIGHT #85 
(morning after AF 84; perhaps October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Box III, Shaman, Talisman II, Northstar, Aurora, Persuasion, Pathway (as Laura Dean), Goblyn, Diamond Lil, Nemesis, Wild Child, Witchfire, Auric, Silver, Jack, Llan the Sorcerer 

ALPHA FLIGHT #86 
(same day as AF 85; Strange has been busy since AF 78 with problems of his own; perhaps October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Box III, Shaman, Talisman II, Northstar, Aurora, Persuasion, Pathway (as Laura Dean), Goblyn, Diamond Lil, Nemesis, Wild Child, Witchfire, Auric, Silver, Dr. Strange II, Wong, Brian Winslow, Llan the Sorcerer 

QUASAR #7 
(one night and next day; second day is probably a weekday; "a few weeks" after SSM 158; "months" after UX Ann 12 1st and Q 2; between ASM 328 end and ASM 329 beg; the narrative's reference to it being "midway through the six-month Antarctic day" would refer to mid summer in North America and thus may be topical; perhaps October) 
Quasar III, Eon, Gilbert Vaughn, Spider-Man, Peggy Carter, Shintaro Kuramoto, Mr. Nordberg, Terminus, [Captain Universe] 

MARVEL FANFARE #52 (2nd story) 
(one day; years after MFF 52 2nd FB; 
Dr. Strange II, Wong, Sara Wolfe, Aleister Kane 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #368 (2nd story) 
(one day; between CA 368 1st beg and CA 369 1st; perhaps October) 
Sleeper, Machinesmith 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #21 (1st story) 
(one rainy day; the reference to "summer" may be a reference to Indian summer; perhaps mid October) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Wong, Rintrah, Sara Wolfe, Morgana Blessing, Baron Blood II (as Victor Strange), Baron Mordo, Dormammu, Mindless Ones, [Mrs. Blessing] 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #22 (1st story) 
(same day as DSSS 21 1st; "some weeks" after DSSS 16 1st beg; perhaps mid October) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Wong, Sara Wolfe, Orini, Umar, Baron Mordo, Dormammu 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #23 (1st story) 
(same night as DSSS 22 1st; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Sara Wolfe, Umar, Baron Mordo, Dormammu 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #24 
(same night as DSSS 23 1st and into the next morning; perhaps mid October) 
Dr. Strange II, Clea, Wong, Rintrah, Sara Wolfe, Imei Chang, G'uranthic Guardian, Umar, Baron Mordo, Dormammu 

NICK FURY, AGENT OF SHIELD III #13 (middle) 
(one day; "several weeks" after NFAS 13 beg; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Alexander Pierce, Rachel, Viper II 

QUASAR #8 
(one day; "over a year" after NM 14; although the New Mutants are indeed in New York City in this story, the narrative's reference to their "New York headquarters" must be a mistake, since the structure they are on looks nothing like X-Factor's ship and since they must be based at Xavier's mansion by this time; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Quasar III, Eon, Cannonball II, Sunspot, Warlock II, Blue Shield, Amos Wilburn, Helen Carver, Omnivore 

NEW MUTANTS #93 
(one day; this story must occur during Logan's stay in Madripoor with Betsy and Jubilation -- he is obviously taking a break here, perhaps the same break shown in AF 87-89; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Cable, Cannonball II, Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Warlock II, Rictor, Meltdown II (as Boom Boom), Wolverine, Sunfire, Nguyen Ngoc Coy, Kamikaze, Sumo, Dragoness, Zero, Stryfe 

NEW MUTANTS #94 
(same night as NM 93; perhaps mid October) 
Cable, Cannonball II, Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Warlock II, Rictor, Meltdown II (as Boom Boom), Wolverine, Sunfire, Nguyen Ngoc Coy, Kamikaze, Sumo, Dragoness, Stryfe, [Zero] 

BLACK PANTHER: PANTHER'S PREY #3 
(one night and next day; at least "three weeks" after BPPP 2 end -- probably a month after, if full moons in BPPP 2 and 3 are both accurate; green trees in Washington, DC; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Black Panther, Monica Lynne, Tayette, Kazibe, Percy Hollander, Alicia Wallencroft, Gabriel Mason, Jacomba, Iba, Tanzika, Zambada, Solomon Prey 

UNCANNY X-MEN #265 
(one night and next day; "weeks" after UX 251; not long after UX 255; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Storm (as Ororo Munroe), Valerie Cooper, Phil, Chuck, Connie, Lian Shen, Nanny, Orphan-Maker, Shadow King (as Jacob Reisz Imposter) 

UNCANNY X-MEN #266 
(same night as UX 265 end; perhaps mid October) 
Storm (as Ororo Munroe), Gambit, Valerie Cooper, Mystique, Lian Shen, Nanny, Orphan-Maker, Shadow King (as Jacob Reisz Imposter) 

UNCANNY X-MEN #267 (beginning) 
(same night as UX 266 and next morning; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Storm (as Ororo Munroe), Gambit, Lian Shen, Nanny, Orphan-Maker, Shadow King (as Jacob Reisz Imposter) 

UNCANNY X-MEN #269 
(day after UX 266, so must be same day as UX 267 beg end and thus out-of-sequence with other issues of UX; UX 255 occurred "in recent weeks"; must be after CA 367 1st; perhaps mid October) 
Rogue, Polaris, Moira MacTaggert, Daytripper (as Amanda Sefton), Legion, Lila Cheney, Gateway, Magneto, Mystique (as Valerie Cooper Imposter), Strike Lord, Steelback, Ms. Marvel Analog, Cylla, Lady Deathstrike, Wade Cole, Angelo Macon, Murray Reese, Pretty Boy, Bonebreaker, White Bishop (as Donald Pierce), Shadow King (as Jacob Reisz Imposter) 

BLACK PANTHER: PANTHER'S PREY #4 (beginning) 
(probably night of the day after BPPP 3 end, the next day, and perhaps the day after that; both snow and green trees are shown in Washington, DC; "it is warm enough in Georgia to sit outside on the porch in the early evening if you put a sweater or shawl on"; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Black Panther, Monica Lynne, Ramonda, W'Kabi, Taku, Gathala Kaza, Clifford Scott, Gabriel Mason, Alicia Wallencroft, Lloyd Lynne, Jessie Lynne, Victor Calabrese, Horatio Venomm, Matilda, Tanzika, Zambada, Solomon Prey 

MARC SPECTOR, MOON KNIGHT #10 
(one day; far enough into the fall semester for a student to know she's flunking; during Acts of Vengeance; before Christmas; the snow may be topical or a unusually early first snow; perhaps mid October) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline (as Frenchie Duchamp), Lula, Vince, David, Ringer II, Coachwhip, Killer Shrike, [Mr. Fantastic (as Reed Richards)] 

MARC SPECTOR, MOON KNIGHT #11 
(same day as MSMK 10; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline (as Frenchie Duchamp), Marlene Alraune, Midnight III, Bivens, Vitelli, McClain, Coffey, Arsenal III, Raoul Bushman 

MARC SPECTOR, MOON KNIGHT #12 
(day after MSMK 11; perhaps mid October) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline (as Frenchie Duchamp), Jonathan B'Kosa, Archie Simmons, LeGrange, Banning, Akkad, Nzaga, Arsenal III, Raoul Bushman, [Bigg Johnson] 

MARC SPECTOR, MOON KNIGHT #13 
(same night as MSMK 12, the next day, and the day after that; "months" after Bushman's last bout with Spector; full moon; perhaps mid October) 
Moon Knight, Jonathan B'Kosa, Archie Simmons, LeGrange, Banning, Akkad, Wanji, Reynald, Bhofu, Montana II, Arsenal III, Raoul Bushman, [Nzaga] 

MARC SPECTOR, MOON KNIGHT #14 
(same day as MSMK 13 end, the next day, and probably the day after that; perhaps mid October) 
Moon Knight, Bloodline (as Frenchie Duchamp), Marlene Alraune, Templar (as Chloe Tran), Jonatha B'Kosa, Montana II, Arsenal III, Raoul Bushman, [Black Panther] 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #57 (4th story) 
(one night and next morning; perhaps before ASM 329 end; 
Black Cat, Henri Poirot, Inspector Gorlier, Valmy, Gilles Chacal, [Kingpin] 

DAREDEVIL ANNUAL #4 (4th story: end) 
(one day and next day; as long after DD Ann 4 4th mid as it takes to appeal a conviction; perhaps October) 
Ben Urich, [Nick Lambert], [Bushwacker] 

BLACK PANTHER: PANTHER'S PREY #4 (end) 
(one day; "two days" after BPPP 4 beg; perhaps third week of October) 
Black Panther, Monica Lynne, Ramonda, W'Kabi, Taku, Tayette, Kazibe, Clifford Scott, Riza, Horatio Venomm, Matilda, Tanzika, Zambada, Solomon Prey 

NEW WARRIORS #5 (flashback) 
(perhaps one day; tape of a New Warriors training session, probably sometime between NW 1 and 2; 
Night Thrasher, Nova, Kymaera (as Namorita), Justice (as Marvel Boy II), Firestar, Speedball 

CAPTAIN AMERICA ANNUAL #9 (2nd story) 
(one day; Ralston's speech may be a campaign speech for upcoming elections; 
Captain America, Reb Ralston, [Sam Donaldson] 

IRON MAN ANNUAL #11 (3rd story) 
(one night and next day; sometime after IM 248; 
Iron Man, War Machine (as James Rhodes), Marsha Rosen, James Clay, Silvia Roccaliata, Mark Devney, Rupinski, Anderson, [Bambi Arbogast] 

POWER PACK #62 (pages 20-23) 
(one day; after MSH 6 2nd; "weeks" after PP 62 pg. 1-19, during which time Franklin has been with the Powers; perhaps October) 
Powerhouse II (as Mass Master II), Lightspeed (as Julie Power), Destroyer III (as Jack Power), Counterweight II (as Katie Power), Tattletale (as Franklin Richards), James Power, Margaret Power, Smartship Friday, Elan, Alison McCourt, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman (as Sue Richards) 

MUTANT MISADVENTURES OF CLOAK AND DAGGER #10 
(one day; shortly after MMOCAD 9 and Av 312; perhaps October) 
Cloak, Dagger, Francis Delgado, Rusty Nales, Mayhem (as Brigid O'Reilly), Wolverine II, Wall, Rogue II, Tempest II, Bedlam II, Dazzler III, Ilsa Moon, Roland Blaisdell, Marked Man 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #372 (2nd story) 
(one day; this story must occur after AWC 51 since Tony is back with Avengers West Coast and before AWC 54, since Walker does not remember his parents' death; 
Battle Star, U.S.Agent 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #373 (2nd story) 
(same day as CA 372 2nd; 
Battle Star, U.S.Agent, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Leon Hoskins, Ethan Thurm, Jackhammer, Drill, xxxx 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #374 (2nd story) 
(same day as CA 373 2nd; 
Battle Star, Ethan Thurm, Jackhammer, Drill, xxxx 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #375 (2nd story) 
(same day as CA 374 2nd; Lemar is "approximately 25"; 
Battle Star, Red Zeppelin, Mr. Lynch, Mr. Frost, Dr. Malus, Power Broker 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #376 (2nd story) 
(same day as CA 375 2nd; 
Battle Star, U.S.Agent, Red Zeppelin, Mr. Lynch, Mr. Frost, Jackhammer, Drill, xxxx, Dr. Malus, Power Broker 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #377 (2nd story) 
(same day as CA 376 2nd; 
Battle Star, U.S.Agent, Mr. Lynch, Mr. Frost, Jackhammer, Drill, xxxx, Dr. Malus, Power Broker 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #378 (2nd story: beginning) 
(same day as CA 377 2nd; it can't be "a few days" after CA 373 2nd since Walker tailed Lemar -- Lemar just thinks a few days have passed; 
Battle Star, U.S.Agent, Red Zeppelin, Ethan Thurm, Dr. Malus, Power Broker 

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #24 (2nd story) 
(one day; after ASM 324; 
Solo, Carlos, Toro Mendoza 

SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #10 (4th story: flashback) 
(one day; according to OHOTMU, this story occurs after WOSM 57 -- since it also occurs during a college vacation, it may be during a week-long autumn vacation; perhaps late October) 
Rocket Racer, Ernie Sluganski 

ALPHA FLIGHT #87 (flashback) 
(one day; "a week" and "two days", or nine days, after AF 86; "weeks" after AF 87 FB w/in FB; green grass and trees in Ottawa; perhaps third week of October) 
Vindicator II, Sasquatch, Shaman (as Michael Twoyoungmen), Aurora (as Jeanne-Marie Beaubier), Talisman II (as Elizabeth Twoyoungmen), Persuasion (as Purple Girl), Pathway (as Laura Dean), Goblyn, Wild Child, Silver, Auric, General Clarke, Brian Mulroney 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #378 (2nd story: end) 
(since it is "36 hours" after CA 378 2nd beg, it must be early morning two days after CA 378 2nd beg; 
Battle Star (as Lemar Hoskins), U.S.Agent (as John Walker) 

SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN ANNUAL #10 (4th story) 
(one day and the next morning; begins "two days" after SSM Ann 10 4th FB; "a while" after CA 319; fishing weather in Ohio; perhaps late October) 
Rocket Racer, Sheriff Taylor, Hubie Packer, Bert Packer, [Ernie Sluganski] 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #380 (2nd story) 
(one day; shortly after CA 378 2nd end; 
U.S.Agent, Lewis Haywerth 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #381 (2nd story) 
(same day as CA 380 2nd; "some months" after CA 354; 
U.S.Agent, [Lewis Haywerth] 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #382 (2nd story) 
(same day as CA 381 2nd; must be before AWC 61 and so before AWC 54; 
U.S.Agent, Lewis Haywerth 

ALPHA FLIGHT #87 
("a cold night in British Columbia" and the next day; begins the night of the day after AF 87 FB; green grass and trees in Ottawa; perhaps fourth week of October) 
Vindicator II, Northstar, Box III, Diamond Lil, Persuasion (as Purple Girl), Pathway (as Laura Dean), Goblyn, Windshear, Wild Child, Witchfire, Nemesis, Silver, Auric, Wolverine (as Logan), Samuel Higgins 

ALPHA FLIGHT #88 
(same day as AF 87 end; a "weekday"; Sean and Forge must be visiting Muir Island during a break from their quest to find the missing X-Men, and Farouk must be making his pawns on Muir Island behave so as not to tip his hand; Sharon mistakenly called "Mary"; perhaps fourth week of October) 
Vindicator II, Vindicator (as James Hudson), Sasquatch, Shaman, Aurora, Puck (as Eugene Judd), Talisman II, Box III (as Madison Jeffries), Diamond Lil, Persuasion (as Purple Girl), Windshear, Wild Child, Witchfire, Nemesis, Silver, Auric, Wolverine, Forge, Banshee, Moira MacTaggert, Daytripper (as Amanda Sefton), Tom Corsi, Sharon Friedlander, Valerie Cooper, Samuel Higgins 

ALPHA FLIGHT #89 
(same night as AF 88 and next day; "years" after AF 5 and AF 17; perhaps fourth week of October) 
Vindicator II, Vindicator (as James Hudson), Sasquatch, Shaman, Northstar, Aurora, Puck, Talisman II, Box III, Diamond Lil, Persuasion (as Kara Killgrave), Pathway (as Laura Dean), Windshear, Wild Child, Witchfire, Nemesis, Silver, Auric, Wolverine, Forge, Melanie Killgrave, Darby Dean, Susan Dean, Samuel Higgins, Dr. Giloski, Master 

ALPHA FLIGHT #90 (beginning) 
(same day as AF 89 end; "a year" after MCP 53 1st; perhaps fourth week of October) 
Vindicator II, Vindicator (as James Hudson), Sasquatch, Shaman, Aurora, Puck, Talisman II, Box III (as Madison Jeffries), Diamond Lil, Windshear, Wild Child, Witchfire, Nemesis, Silver, Auric, Wolverine, Forge, Darby Dean, Susan Dean, Samuel Higgins, Dr. Giloski, Master 

UNCANNY X-MEN #267 (middle) 
(a span of time, probably a month, between UX 267 beg and end; perhaps October and November) 
Storm (as Ororo Munroe), Gambit 

NAMOR, THE SUB-MARINER #1 (middle) 
(one day; "weeks" after NTSM 1 beg; perhaps October) 
Sub-Mariner, Carrie Alexander 

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #12 (end) 
(one day; "a few weeks" after PWJ 12 beg; the anniversary of the murder of the Castle family "years ago"; Bushwacker's reference to it being a "fine summer day" may be a topical reference to Indian summer; green grass and trees; perhaps October) 
Punisher, Microchip, Bushwacker 

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #13 
(same night as PWJ 12 end and next day; perhaps October) 
Punisher, Microchip, Simon Winston, Marilyn, Bushwacker, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, Loki 

ALPHA FLIGHT #90 (middle) 
(one day; "two days" after AF 90 beg; green grass and trees in Ottawa; perhaps fourth week of October) 
Guardian II, Vindicator, Sasquatch, Northstar, Aurora, Shaman, Puck, Talisman II, Box III, Diamond Lil, Persuasion, Windshear, Witchfire, Brian Mulroney 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #54 
(one day; despite references to the U-Foes' attack, this story can't happen shortly after AWC 53; must be after Av 312, FF 336, and CA 367 1st; the super-powers registration act is being debated; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S. Agent, Human Torch, Iron Man, Captain America, Quasar III, Susan Baker, Giganto, Tricephalous, Mole Man, Magneto 

MIGHTY THOR #413 
(probably same night as AWC 54 and next day; must be after PWJ 13; perhaps late October) 
Thor, Thunderstrike (as Eric Masterson), Hercules, Kevin Masterson, Susan Austin, Jackie Lukus, Dr. Strange II, Wong, Ulik, Loki 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #69 (1st story  flashback: page 5, panel 1) 
(must be same day as MT 413 end; perhaps late October) 
Brass, Theresa 

AVENGERS #313 (beginning) 
(same day as MCP 69 1st FB pg. 5, pn. 1; must be same day as MT 413 end; after AWC 54 and AS 29 1st; must be before DC 3 and probably before DC 2; Agatha's reference to everything since WCA 42 as happening in the "past few weeks" is inconsistent with Jan's statement in AWC 57 and must refer instead to "a few months"; bare trees; perhaps late October) 
Captain America, Vision II, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Scarlet Witch, Agatha Harkness, Ebony, Edwin Jarvis, Jacobi, Dr. Doom Robot, Red Skull Robot, Magneto, Wizard, Mandarin, Kingpin, Loki, [Brass], [Theresa] 

MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS #69 (1st story  flashback: page 5, panel 3) 
(same day as Av 313 beg; perhaps late October) 
Brass, Theresa 

CAPTAIN AMERICA #368 (1st story: end) 
(same day as Av 313 beg; cannot be the same night as CA 368 1st mid; perhaps late October) 
Scarlet Witch, Magneto 

AVENGERS #313 (end) 
(same day as CA 368 1st end; after MMOCAD 9; bare trees and green shrubs; perhaps late October) 
Captain America, Thor, Vision II, Black Widow II, Hellcat, Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Doom Robot, Red Skull Robot, Magneto, Wizard, Mandarin, Kingpin, Loki 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #55 (beginning) 
(same day as Av 313 end; John Walker's reference to just getting back from battling the Mole Man's monster indicates that AWC 54 must have occurred within the past day; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Captain America, Thor, Vision II, Falcon, Agatha Harkness, Ebony, Immortus, Dr. Doom Robot, Red Skull Robot, Magneto, Wizard, Mandarin, Kingpin, Loki 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story -- flashback: page 10, panels 2-6) 
(same day as AWC 55 beg; perhaps late October) 
Vision II, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Red Skull Robot, Wizard, Mandarin 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #55 (middle) 
(same day as Av Ann 19 3rd FB pg. 10, pn. 2-6; perhaps late October) 
Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Captain America, Thor, Vision II, Falcon, Loki 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story -- flashback: page 11, panels 1-2) 
(same day as AWC 55 mid; perhaps late October) 
Captain America, Thor, Vision II, Falcon, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Wizard 

AVENGERS ANNUAL #19 (3rd story) 
(same day as Av Ann 19 3rd FB pg. 11, pn. 1-2; Wiz's reference to AS 26 1st as occurring "two Sundays ago" must be a mistake -- he may have meant "a Sunday two months ago"; perhaps late October) 
Captain America, Thor, Vision II, Edwin Jarvis, Dr. Doom Robot, Red Skull Robot, Wizard 

MIGHTY THOR #414 
(same day as Av Ann 19 3rd; a school day; falling leaves, bare trees and jacket weather indicate fall; perhaps late October) 
Thor, Thunderstrike (as Eric Masterson), Hercules, Kevin Masterson, Susan Austin, Marcy Masterson, Marcus Stone, Vinnie Evans, Samantha Joyce, Mr. Geppi, Mr. Marrero, Ulik, /bad guy businessman/ 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #55 (end) 
(same day as MT 414; Jan's reference to everything since WCA 42 as happening "in the past few weeks" is inconsistent with her statement in AWC 57 and must refer instead to "the past few months"; perhaps late October) 
Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Iron Man 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #56 
(same day as AWC 55 end; the Torch's reference to AWC 52 being "the other day" must be topical; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Human Torch, Iron Man, Quicksilver, Agatha Harkness, Lockjaw, Ann Raymond, Magneto, Immortus 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #57 
(same day as AWC 56; Jan's reference to everything since WCA 42 as happening "in the past few months" is correct; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Human Torch, Iron Man, Quicksilver, Agatha Harkness, Bambi, Cliffie, Magneto, [Lockjaw] 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #58 
(same day as AWC 57; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, U.S.Agent, Human Torch, Iron Man, Rover, Ramon, Bambi, Cliffie, Jack Williams, Dwight, Vibro 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #59 
(same day as AWC 58; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Iron Man, Rover, Immortus 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #60 
(same day as AWC 59; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Iron Man, Quicksilver, Hawkeye, Rover, Lockjaw, Magneto, Immortus 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #61 
(same day as AWC 60; the Legion of the Unliving may be either reanimated spirits or figures pulled from other times; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Iron Man, Quicksilver, Hawkeye, Agatha Harkness, Ebony, Lockjaw, Black Knight, Human Torch, Grim Reaper, Swordsman, Left-Winger, Right-Winger, Oort, Iron Man 2020, Immortus 

AVENGERS WEST COAST #62 
(same day as AWC 61; perhaps late October) 
Wonder Man, Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Wasp, Scarlet Witch, U.S.Agent, Iron Man, Quicksilver, Hawkeye, Agatha Harkness, Ebony, Lockjaw, Tempus, Immortus, Time Keepers, [Dr. Demonicus]
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Posted: 12 Jul 2006 03:16 am    
By Enda80

(I noticed a curious thing -- a super-powers registration act was being debated by Congress at this time. Hmm. What goes around comes around.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_Acts_%28comics%29

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Posted: 12 Jul 2006 12:44 pm    
By Ocean Doot

Where's Incredible Hulk 363, in which the Hulk fights the Grey Gargoyle, at the behest of Dr. Doom? That's part of Acts of Vengeance. Am I just not seeing it on that list? (It has to be before ASM 328, 'cause it's referenced in that issue.)

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Posted: 12 Jul 2006 08:57 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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Where's Incredible Hulk 363, in which the Hulk fights the Grey Gargoyle, at the behest of Dr. Doom? That's part of Acts of Vengeance. 
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I saw that as a precursor to Acts of Vengeance proper, and thus before this period. There are other scenes that build up to AoV, too, such as AVENGERS SPOTLIGHT #28 (2nd story: beginning), but there's too much non-AoV material in this time frame, so I didn't post them.
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Posted: 12 Jul 2006 10:16 pm    
By JLH

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Starbrand II (as Kayla Ballantine) 
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But... she was a long way aways from having the Starbrand at this time!

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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 05:52 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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But... she was a long way aways from having the Starbrand at this time! 
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Yes, hence the "(as Kayla Ballantine)." 

Character names appear consistently so I can do one search for a given person. In this case, I just search the document for "Starbrand II," not do two searches for "Starbrand II" and "Kayla Ballantine." 

BTW, folks should note that I tended not to list non-powered supporting characters, except for those who may make many appearances in different titles.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 07:31 am    
By JimC

Thanks Paul! Your breakdowns are always Spectacular. 
Just to give you an idea why I keep asking for these......... 
My notes on AoV are really different than yours. I have the Chronos of all the Avengers printed out, including Jarvis, and in this case I also used Spider-Man, DrStrange, Wolverine, Mr F, Thing, DrDoom, Red Skull etc. and tried my best to put everything in some kind of order. A lot of times characters have books in different spots, so I try to place them where the majority has them listed. Here is what I have for AoV... 
Marvel Comics Presents 48/4 
Iron Man 249 
Iron Man 250 
Thor 409 
Thor 410 
Incredible Hulk 363 
New Warriors 1 
Quasar 4 
Wolverine 19 
Captain America 358 
Captain America 359 
Captain America 360 
Captain America 361 
Captain America 362 
Captain America 363 
Captain America 364 
Amazing Spider-Man 320 
Amazing Spider-Man 321 
Amazing Spider-Man 322 
Amazing Spider-Man 323 
Amazing Spider-Man 324 
Amazing Spider-Man 325 
Marvel Comics Presents 34/4 
Amazing Spider-Man 326 
Spectacular Spider-Man 158 
Web of Spider-Man 59 
Avengers 311 
DarkHawk 9 
Fantastic Four 334 
Quasar 5 
Captain America 365 
Quasar 6 
Avengers Annual 19/3-FB 
Damage Control2 1 
Avengers Spotlight 26/2 
Avengers Spotlight 27 
Avengers Spotlight 27/2 
Avengers Spotlight 28 
Iron Man 251 
Iron Man 252 
Avengers West Coast 53 
Avengers West Coast Annual 5/5 
Damage Control2 2 
Cloak & Dagger3 8 
Cloak & Dagger3 9 
PowerPack 53 
Cloak & Dagger3 10 
Thor 411 
Captain America 366 
Thor 411 
Thor 412 
Amazing Spider-Man 327 
Marvel Comics Presents 39/4 
Spectacular Spider-Man 159 
Web of Spider-Man 60 
Marvel Fanfare 48/2 
Marvel Fanfare 48 
Marvel Super-Heroes3 5/5 
Avengers 312 
Fantastic Four 335 
Punisher 28 
Punisher 29 
Marc Spector: Moon Knight 8 
Marc Spector: Moon Knight 9 
Marc Spector: Moon Knight 10 
Punisher War Journal 12 
Daredevil 275 
Daredevil 276 
Quasar 7 
Damage Control2 3 
Avedngers Spotlight 28/2 
Avengers West Coast 54 
Avengers Spotlight 29 
Amazing Spider-Man 328 
Spectacular Spider-Man 160 
Fantastic Four 336 
Web of Spider-Man 61 
DrStrange3 11 
Alpha Flight 78 
DrStrange3 11 
DrStrange3 12 
DrStrange3 13 
Alpha Flight 79 
Alpha Flight 80 
Uncanny X-Men 256 
Uncanny X-Men 257 
Uncanny X-Men 258 
Nick Fury: Agent of Shield 3 10 
Captain America 367 
Captain America 368 
Avengers 313 
Thor 413 
Amazing Spider-Man 502-FB 
Cloak & nDagger3 12 
Cloack & Dagger3 13 
Marvel Comics Presents 48/4 
Avengers West Coast 55 
Avengers Annual 19/3-FB 
Avengers West Coast 55 
Damage Control2 4 
Avengers West Coast 55 
Avengers Spotlight 29/2 
Avengers West Coast 55 
Avengers West Coast 56 
Avengers Annual 19/3 
Avengers 320/2 
Iron Man 253 
Fantastic Four 337 
Fantastic Four 338 
Fantastic Four 339 
Fantastic Four 340 
Fantastic Four 341 
Black Knight 1 
Black Knight 2 
Black Knight 3 
Black Knight 4 
Marvel Super-Heroes3 4/6 
Quasar 8 
Quasar 9 
Quasar 10 
She-Hulk2 12 
She-Hulk2 13 
She-Hulk2 14 
She-Hulk2 15 
She-Hulk2 16 
She-Hulk2 17 
She-Hulk2 18 
She-Hulk2 19 
Avengers West Coast 57 
Avengers West Coast 58 
Avengers West Coast 60 
Avengers West Coast 61 
Avengers West Coast 62 
Amazing Spider-Man Annual 24 


I was using Marvel Comics Pesents 48/4 as kind of loose bookends for this event, since accordind to the MCP DrDoom has this listed twice. That would put my AWC 55-62 well after, but I just wanted to show you where I had them. 
Thanks Again JimC

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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 12:04 pm    
By Somebody

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Quote: 
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But... she was a long way aways from having the Starbrand at this time! 
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Yes, hence the "(as Kayla Ballantine)." 

Character names appear consistently so I can do one search for a given person. In this case, I just search the document for "Starbrand II," not do two searches for "Starbrand II" and "Kayla Ballantine." 
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But she NEVER USED THE NAME "Starbrand". She HAD the Star Brand, yes, but that's different from using the name.

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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 06:20 pm    
By metaldragon

You forgot: 

X-Factor #50 (2nd story) "MEANWHILE, ON EARTH..." (sometime in the middle of AoV while X-Factor is in space and the New Mutants are returning from Asgard. Loki tries to persuade Apocalypse to attack X-Men, X-Factor, and New Mutants.) 
Loki, Apocalypse, Caliban (named Hell Hound by Apocalypse at the end of this story)
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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 08:47 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Don't know if this helps, metaldragon. But, again without delving into the comics themselves and getting thorough (no time right now), here's what I found in my notes from a period shortly before the material in the post: 

X-FACTOR #49 (page 12) 
(one day; probably out-of-sequence with most of the rest of this issue; since this segment must occur after Av 300 2nd and before XF 51 end, Loki's comment about having already gathered the major players for Acts of Vengeance must be a lie, typical for the Prince of Lies; perhaps Sunday, August 1) 
Apocalypse 

X-FACTOR #49 (page 22) 
(same day as XF 49 pg. 12; perhaps Sunday, August 1) 
Apocalypse, Loki 

X-FACTOR #50 (2nd story) 
(same day as XF 49 pg. 22; Loki's reference to the New Mutants returning "soon" to Midgard indicates that this story must occur shortly before NM Ann 5 1st end; perhaps Sunday, August 1) 
Apocalypse, Caliban, Loki
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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 08:51 pm    
By metaldragon

I'm confused about New Mutants #93-94 here... they don't have anything to do with Acts of Vengeance... they come a while after. The New Mutants storyline that tied in with Acts of Vengeance was New Mutants #84-86. 

MN 84-85. Most of the New Mutants were in Asgard during this story arc but Rusty and Skids were captured by Freedom Force and ended up in the same New York federal prison as the Vulture. Somehow the Vulture's wings appeared in his cell when he was away at a meal. He notices they have been modified and recognises the Tinkerer's work. Angry at the meddling, he uses them (and the bomb also provided) to break out of prison. Rusty & Skids use their powers to go after him. 

MN 86. He locates the Tinkerer and finds out someone (the disguised Loki) contacted the Tinkerer by appearing on his computer screen and hired him to rebuild the Vulture's wings with instructions to attack Speedball. The Vulture refuses and takes The Tinkerer to Nitro's trial in Albany to free him instead. Insulted at such a lowly role in the Acts of Vengeance, the Vulture decides to release Nitro to prove how much he has been underestimated. Rusty and Skids arrive just as they free Nitro but Skids throws her forcefield about him when he explodes. Nitro disintegrates from his own contained blast and Freedom Force arrests the Vulture, Tinkerer, Rusty and the injured Skids.
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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 09:31 pm    
By metaldragon

Quote: 
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X-FACTOR #49 (page 12) 
(one day; probably out-of-sequence with most of the rest of this issue; since this segment must occur after Av 300 2nd and before XF 51 end, Loki's comment about having already gathered the major players for Acts of Vengeance must be a lie, typical for the Prince of Lies; perhaps Sunday, August 1) 
Apocalypse 

X-FACTOR #49 (page 22) 
(same day as XF 49 pg. 12; perhaps Sunday, August 1) 
Apocalypse, Loki  
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Oh! Right. Forgot the lead-in bits in X-Factor #49. Thanks! 

Actually, in the first bit, Apocalypse was already monitoring the "interesting and bizarre alliances" taking place "...among the villains and heroes throughout the United States." and that "A contest appears to have developed among them for dominance." He comments "Does this signal that the armageddon that I have long anticipated is about to begin?" He mentions Magneto & the Red Skull, the Kingpin & Dr. Doom & the Wizard. It looks like he is watching them become allies on his screens. This should narrow down placement. 

In the second bit at the end of X-Factor #49 he discovers the one person who is behind it all, manipulating them and suddenly the image speaks. The disguised Loki comes out of the screen to invite Apocalypse to join him and lead the Acts of Vengeance. This continues directly into XF 50/2. 

These bits probably take place around NM #83-84 when The Vulture learns about the Acts of Vengeance before getting his parcel and breaking out of prison, if that helps. 

Actually, in X-Factor and The New Mutants, the Apocalypse and the Vulture & Tinkerer Acts of Vengeance story arcs can take place anytime after the NM 78/XF 43 [teams leaving Earth] point and before the MN 87/MN @ 5/XF 51/MN 88 [return to Earth/pre-Atlantis Attacks conclusion (XF @ 4/WOSM @ 4/AWC @ 4/T @ 14/FF @ 22)] point.
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Thread 21

Posted: 10 Jul 2006 05:56 am    Post subject: Infinity Gauntlet chronology
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Jim C. asked me to post my old notes concerning the sequence of events surrounding Infinity Gauntlet, so here they are. I haven't reviewed this material in years, so please excuse the old format and lack of specific page/panel ranges in some cases. 


SILVER SURFER III #48 
(one day; shortly after SS 47 if not same day; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Nova II, Drax the Destroyer, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Kray-Tor, Autolycus, Galactus, Mephisto, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #49 
(same day as SS 48; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Starfox, Mentor, Drax the Destroyer, Mephisto, Thanos 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #383 (pages 1-12) 
(probably same day as SS 49; it is not known why Bruce took so long, perhaps several months, to return and tell his friends about the Mount; perhaps mid May) 
Hulk, Rick Jones, Betty Ross (Banner), Marlo Chandler, Ulysses, Nadia Dornova, Charlie, Frank, Sergi, Abomination 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #32 (1st story: 1st flashback) 
(probably same day as SS 49; "a few hours" before SS 50 end; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Clea, Rintrah, Sarah Wolfe, Baron Blood II 

SILVER SURFER III #50 (beginning) 
(probably same day as SS 49; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Thanos 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #1 (page 1-page 5, panel 4) 
(same night as SS 50 beg; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Wong, Mephisto, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #52 (page 1) 
(same night as IG 1 pg. 1-5; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #1 (page 5, panels 5-7) 
(same night as SS 52 pg. 1; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Wong, [Silver Surfer] 

SILVER SURFER III #50 (end) 
(same night as IG 1 pg. 5, pn. 5-7; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #1 (page 6, panels 1-2) 
(same night as SS 50 end; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Silver Surfer, [Wong] 

SILVER SURFER III #52 (page 2) 
(same night as IG 1 pg. 6, pn. 1-2; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Wong 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #1 (page 6, panel 3-page 15, panel 7) 
(same night as SS 52 pg. 2; "long months" after TQ 2; full moon may be topical; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Wong, Jake Miller, Ralph Bunker, Bambi Long, Mephisto, Thanos 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #383 (pages 13-15) 
(same night as IG pg. 6-15; perhaps mid May) 
Rick Jones, Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Wong, Jack, Abomination 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #1 (page 16, panel 1-page 36, panel 6) 
(same night as IH 383 pg. 13-15; full moon may be topical; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Wong, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Hulk, Captain America, Sersi, Hawkeye, Spider-Man, Nick Fury, Valentina de la Fontaine , S'Byll, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos, Death, [Charlie] 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #383 (pages 16-17) 
(same night as IG 1 pg. 16-36; before "Thursday"; perhaps mid May) 
Hulk, Rick Jones, Dr. Strange, Wong, Spider-Man, Alison, Terry 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #1 (page 36, panel 7)/INCREDIBLE HULK II #383 (page 18, panel 1) 
(same night as IH 383 pg. 16-17; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #1 (page 36, panel 8-page 40, panel 4) 
(same night as IG 1 pg. 36, pn. 7; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Mentor, Firelord, Isaac, Thanos 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #31 (1st story: flashback) 
(same night as IG 1 pg. 36-40; perhaps mid May) 
Rintrah, Imei Chang 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #31 (1st story) 
(same night as DSSS 31 1st FB; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Rintrah, Silver Surfer 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #383 (page 18, panel 2-page 19, panel 2) 
(same night as DSSS 31 1st; perhaps mid May) 
Hulk, Nadia Dornova, Abomination 

QUASAR #26 (end) 
(morning after IH 383 pg. 18-19; the narrative's statement that it is "three days" after Q 26 beg does not jibe with Wendell's statement in Q 27 pg. 1-10 that it has been "a week" since Q 25 and may be regarded as inaccurate; perhaps mid May) 
Quasar III, Eon, Kismet (as Her), Silver Surfer, Blue Marvel (as Marvel Boy), Trantra, Ree, Stygian Starbender, Sardan, Living Tribunal, In-Betweener, Lord Chaos, Master Order 

QUASAR #27 (pages 1-10) 
(same morning as Q 26 end; "a week" after Q 25; perhaps mid May) 
Quasar III, Eon, Epoch, Moondragon, Jack of Hearts, Blue Marvel (as Marvel Boy), Trantra, Ree, Stygian Starbender 

QUASAR #27 (pages 13-15) 
(same morning as Q 27 pg. 1-10; Q 27 pg. 11-12 actually must occur after this segment; perhaps mid May) 
Quasar III, Eon, Epoch, Trantra, Ree, Stygian Starbender 

QUASAR #27 (pages 18-20) 
(same morning as Q 27 pg. 13-15; Q 27 pg. 16-17 actually must occur after this segment; perhaps mid May) 
Quasar III, Eon, Epoch, Blue Marvel (as Marvel Boy) 

QUASAR #27 (page 22) 
(same morning as Q 27 pg. 18-20; Q 27 pg. 21 actually must occur after this segment; perhaps mid May) 
Quasar III, Epoch 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #2 (beginning) 
(same morning as Q 27 pg. 22; as explained in Q 28, Wendell is wearing his third costume by mistake in IG; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Rintrah, Adam Warlock, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Isaac, Captain America, Quasar III, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Epoch, Odin, Zeus, Osiris, Tezcatlipoca, Svarog, Manitou, Itzamna, Nuada, Captain Dea-Sea, Dr. Doom, Thanos, [Mr. Fantastic], [Invisible Woman], [Thing], [Human Torch II], [Sersi], [Hercules], [Hawkeye], [U.S.Agent], [Black Panther], [Wasp], [Quicksilver], [Phoenix IV (as Marvel Girl)], [Beast], [Iceman], [Archangel], [Night Thrasher], [Justice II (as Marvel Boy II)], [Firestar], [Dagger], [Daredevil], [Power Man II], [Black Cat], [Makkari], [Vindicator II (as Guardian III)], [Vindicator], [Sasquatch], [Shaman], [Northstar], [Puck], [Diamond Lil], [Windshear] 

QUASAR #27 (pages 11-12) 
(same morning as IG 2 beg; must occur after Q 27 pg. 22; perhaps mid May) 
Kismet (as Her), Adam Warlock 

SLEEPWALKER #7 (page 1-page 13, panel 3) 
(same morning as Q 27 pg. 11-12; green trees in New York City; perhaps mid May) 
Sleepwalker, Rambo, Willie Sheridan, Flo Sheridan, Dr. Strange, Moon Knight, Darkhawk, Deathlok III, Kismet (as Her), Hyperion, Dr. Spectrum, Master Link, Weak Link, Uplink, Missing Link II 

QUASAR #27 (pages 16-17) 
(same morning as SW 7 pg. 1-13; must occur after Q 27 pg. 22; perhaps mid May) 
Makkari, Moondragon, Hyperion, Dr. Spectrum, Whizzer II, Power Princess, Skylark, Moonglow II, Haywire, Kismet (as Her), Jack of Hearts, Moon Knight, Darkhawk, Deathlok III, Sleepwalker 

QUASAR #27 (page 21) 
(same morning as Q 27 pg. 16-17; must occur after Q 27 pg. 22; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Spectrum, Kismet (as Her), Jack of Hearts, Darkhawk, Sleepwalker 

SLEEPWALKER #7 (page 13, panels 4-5) 
(same day as Q 27 pg. 21; perhaps mid May) 
Sleepwalker 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #2 (end) 
(same day as SW 7 pg. 13, pn. 4-5; the original Torch appears here, but how he regained his power is unexplained; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Rintrah, Adam Warlock, Pip, Starfox, Captain America, Vision II, She-Hulk, Black Widow II, Black Knight III, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Wonder Man, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Human Torch, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Kymaera (as Namorita), Cloak, Wolverine (as Logan), Black Bolt, Medusa, Gorgon, Karnak, Nick Fury, Crimson Dynamo VI, Odin, Zeus, Osiris, Tezcatlipoca, Svarog, Manitou, Itzamna, Nuada, Hogun, Fandral, Galactus, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos, Death 

WARLOCK AND THE INFINITY WATCH #4 (flashback) 
(same day as IG 2 end; perhaps mid May) 
Omega IV 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #32 
(same day as WATIW 4 FB; green trees in New York City; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Clea, Rintrah, Agamotto, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Pip, Silver Dagger, Dr. Doom 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #3 (page 1-page 10, panel 1) 
(same day as DSSS 32; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Rintrah, Adam Warlock, Pip, Starfox, Captain America, She-Hulk, Black Widow II, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Nick Fury, Professor Harding, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #52 (page 3, panel 1-page 21, panel 3) 
(same day as IG 3 beg; "a few hours" after SS 50 beg; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Captain America, She-Hulk, Tycho 

SILVER SURFER III #52 (page 21, panel 4-page 22)/INFINITY GAUNTLET #3 (page 10, panels 2-6) 
(same day as SS 52 pg. 3-21; there is a discrepency in these two issues about Nova's costume -- the new blue and gold one is correct, so this issue must occur after NW 14; must be before XM 1; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Captain America, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Nova, Wolverine, Cloak 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #3 (page 11, panels 1-2) 
(same day as SS 52 pg. 21-22; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Captain America, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Nova, Cyclops, Wolverine, Cloak, Dr. Doom 

SILVER SURFER III #53 
(same day as IG 3 pg. 11, pn. 1-2; perhaps mid May) 
Clumsy Foulup, Ael-Dann, Dar-Benn, Aa-Garn, Dwi-Zann, Kaer-Linn, Silver Surfer Robot 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #383 (page 19, panel 3-page 22, panel 2) 
(same day as SS 53; Bruce must have been tracking Blonsky down all night; perhaps mid May) 
Hulk, Nadia Dornova, Abomination 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #3 (page 11, panel 3-page 12, panel 3) 
(same day as IH 383 pg. 19-22; this scene shows Bruce in a location different from that shown in IH 383 pg. 19-22 and it is questionable that he would agree to leave Blonsky to join the other heroes; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Captain America, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Hulk, Wolverine, Cloak, Dr. Doom 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #383 (page 22, panel 3-4) 
(same day as IG 3 pg. 11-12; perhaps mid May) 
Hulk, Abomination, [Nadia Dornova] 

INIFINITY GAUNTLET #3 (page 12, panels 4-5) 
(same day as IH 383 pg. 22, pn. 3-4; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Captain America, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Hulk, Nova, Cloak, Wolverine, Cyclops, Dr. Doom 

SILVER SURFER III #54 (end) 
(same day as IG 3 pg. 12, pn. 4-5; green grass and trees in New York City; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Hulk, Rhino 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #3 (pages 13-40) 
(same day as SS 54 end; crescent moon; unusual snow begins because of the earth's pull out of its orbit; perhaps mid "May") 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Captain America, Quasar III, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Hulk, Nova, Cloak, Wolverine, Cyclops, Moon Knight, Epoch, Dr. Doom, Watcher, Eternity, Stranger, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Mistress Love, Master Hate, Galactus, Living Tribunal, Kronos, Ziran, One Above All, Terraxia, Mephisto, Thanos, Death 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (pages 1-3) 
(same day as IG 3 pg. 13-40; perhaps mid May) 
Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Captain America, Quasar III, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Hulk, Nova, Cloak, Wolverine, Cyclops, Dr. Doom, Terraxia, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos, Death, [Watcher] 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #33 (1st story) 
(same day as IG 4 pg. 1-3; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Clea, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Captain America, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Hulk, Nova, Wolverine, Cyclops, Dr. Druid, Dr. Doom, Thanos, [Starfox], [Quasar III], [Scarlet Witch], [Cloak], [Cyclops], [Watcher], [Terraxia], [Nebula], [Mephisto], [Death] 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (pages 4-23) 
(same day as DSSS 33 1st; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Captain America, Quasar III, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Hulk, Nova, Cloak, Wolverine, Cyclops, Dr. Doom, Watcher, Eternity, Terraxia, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos, Death, [Watcher] 

SILVER SURFER III #55 
(same day as IG 4 pg. 4-23; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock 

SILVER SURFER III #56 (beginning) 
(same day as SS 55; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (page 24, panel 1-page 33, panel 2) 
(same day as SS 56; Wendell again shown in wrong costume; perhaps mid May) 
Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Captain America, Quasar III, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Nova, Dr. Doom, Terraxia, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #34 
(same day as IG 4 pg. 24-33; snow caused by earth's loss of orbit; the cop's reference to it being "August" is inconsistent with Logan's reference to it being "May" in IG 3 pg. 13-40 and is probably incorrect; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Clea, Rintrah, Dr. Druid, Pip, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Doom, Doom-Shadow, [Thunderstrike (as Thor III)] 

SILVER SURFER III #56 (middle) 
(same day as DSSS 34; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (page 33, panel 3-page 35, panel 1) 
(same day as SS 56 mid; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Captain America, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #56 (end)/INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (page 35, panels 2-3) 
(same day as IG 4 pg. 33-35; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (page 35, panel 4-page 37, panel 1) 
(same day as SS 56 end; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Captain America, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #57 (middle)/INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (page 37, panels 2-3) 
(same day as IG 4 pg. 35-37; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Captain America, Thanos 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (page 37, panels 4-5) 
(same day as SS 57 mid; perhaps mid May) 
Captain America, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #57 (end) 
(same day as IG 4 pg. 37, pn. 4-5; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Virtual Reality, Reptyl, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #58 
(same day as SS 57 end; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock, Virtual Reality, Collector 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #384 
(same day as SS 58; perhaps mid May) 
Hulk, Betty Ross (Banner), Marlo Chandler, Nadia Dornova, Veronica, Mrs. Maxwell, Abomination, [Mrs. Chandler], [Lisa Chung] 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #35 
(same day as IH 384; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Clea, Rintrah, Dr. Druid, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Scarlet Witch, Hulk, Cerberus, Hela 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #4 (pages 38-40) 
(same day as DSSS 35; perhaps mid May) 
Starfox, Captain America, Watcher, Stranger, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Kronos, Galactus, Mistress Love, Master Hate, Ziran, One Above All, Terraxia, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos, Death 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #5 (page 1-page 31, panel 4) 
(same day as IG 4 pg. 38-40; snowstorm caused by earth's loss of orbit; Epoch is mistakenly called "Eon" in the narration; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Starfox, Epoch, Watcher, Stranger, Eternity, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Kronos, Galactus, Mistress Love, Master Hate, Ziran, One Above All, Annihilus, Terraxia, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos, Death, [Epoch] 

SILVER SURFER III #59 (page 1) 
(same day as IG 5 pg. 1-31; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Thanos 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #5 (page 31, panel 5) 
(same day as SS 59 pg. 1; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, [Silver Surfer], [Thanos] 

SILVER SURFER III #59 (page 2, panels 1-6) 
(same day as IG 5 pg. 31, pn. 5; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hulk, Dr. Doom, Thanos 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #5 (page 32, panel 1) 
(same day as SS 59 pg. 2, pn. 1-6; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hulk, Dr. Doom, [Silver Surfer], [Thanos] 

SILVER SURFER III #59 (page 2, panel 7-page 3, panel 1) 
(same day as IG 5 pg. 32, pn. 1; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hulk, Dr. Doom, Thanos 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #5 (page 32, panel 2-page 33, panel 1) 
(same day as SS 59 pg. 2-3; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hulk, Dr. Doom, Thanos 

SILVER SURFER III #59 (page 3, panel 2-page 22, panel 4) 
(same day as IG 5 pg. 32-33; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hulk, Dr. Doom, Collector, Nebula, Thanos 

SLEEPWALKER #7 (page 14, panel 1-page 22, panel 1) 
(same day as SS 59 pg. 3-22; perhaps mid May) 
Sleepwalker, Master Link, Weak Link, Uplink, Missing Link II 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #5 (page 33, panel 2-page 40) 
(same day as SW 7 pg. 14-22; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hulk, Dr. Doom, Nebula, Thanos 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #6 (beginning) 
(same day as IG 5 pg. 33-40; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hulk, Dr. Doom, Nebula, Thanos 

SLEEPWALKER #7 (page 22, panels 2-4) 
(same day as IG 6 beg; for all but a few individuals, the clock is turned back 24 hours; full moon may be topical; perhaps mid May) 
Sleepwalker, Rick Sheridan, Nebula, Thanos 

INCREDIBLE HULK II #385 
(same day as SW 7 pg. 22, pn. 2-4; full moon may be topical; perhaps mid May) 
Hulk, Rick Jones, Atalanta, Ajax, Gestalt 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #6 (middle) 
(same day as IH 385; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Rintrah, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Mentor, Firelord, Captain America, Quasar III, Vision II, Sersi, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Hawkeye, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Sub-Mariner, Hulk, Cloak, Dagger, Epoch, Watcher, Mary Jane Watson (Parker), Stranger, Lord Chaos, Master Order, Kronos, Galactus, Mistress Love, Master Hate, Ziran, One Above All, Dr. Doom, Nebula, Mephisto, Thanos, Death 

SILVER SURFER III #60 (beginning) 
(same day as IG 6 mid; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Wong 

INFINITY GAUNTLET #6 (end) 
(same day as SS 60 beg; perhaps mid May) 
Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Thanos 

SLEEPWALKER #7 (page 22, panels 5-6) 
(same night as IG 6 end; "hours" after SW 7 pg. 22, pn. 2-4; perhaps mid May) 
Sleepwalker 

DOCTOR STRANGE, SORCERER SUPREME #36 
(same night as SW 7 pg. 22, pn. 5-6; Wong and Imei are to be married "in six months"; perhaps mid May) 
Dr. Strange, Clea, Wong, Rintrah, Topaz, Sara Wolfe, Baron Blood II, Morgana Blessing, Imei Chang, Dr. Druid, Scarlet Witch, Adam Warlock, Pip, Gamora, Eternity 

SILVER SURFER III #60 (end) 
(same night as DSSS 36; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Black Bolt, Gorgon, Karnak, Lockjaw, Midnight Sun, Collector 

SILVER SURFER III #61 
(same night as SS 60 end; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Collector, Jude, Shaara, Janus III 

SILVER SURFER III #62 
(same night as SS 61; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Jude, Shaara, Janus III, Garnok Rebbahn 

SILVER SURFER III #63 
(same night as SS 62; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, Shaara, Janus III, Dark Surfer, Garnok Rebbahn, Reptyl 

SILVER SURFER III #64 
(same night as SS 63; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dark Surfer, Garnok Rebbahn, Jude, Shaara, Janus III, Collector, Reptyl
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Posted: 10 Jul 2006 06:16 pm    
By Enda80

INFINITY GAUNTLET #2 (beginning) 
(same morning as Q 27 pg. 22; as explained in Q 28, Wendell is wearing his third costume by mistake in IG; perhaps mid May) 
Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Rintrah, Adam Warlock, Pip, Drax the Destroyer, Starfox, Firelord, Isaac, Captain America, Quasar III, Vision II, She-Hulk, Thunderstrike (as Thor III), Giant-Man (as Dr. Pym), Epoch, Odin, Zeus, Osiris, Tezcatlipoca, Svarog, Manitou, Itzamna, Nuada, Captain Dea-Sea, Dr. Doom, Thanos, [Mr. Fantastic], [Invisible Woman], [Thing], [Human Torch II], [Sersi], [Hercules], [Hawkeye], [U.S.Agent], [Black Panther], [Wasp], [Quicksilver], [Phoenix IV (as Marvel Girl)], [Beast], [Iceman], [Archangel], [Night Thrasher], [Justice II (as Marvel Boy II)], [Firestar], [Dagger], [Daredevil], [Power Man II], [Black Cat], [Makkari], [Vindicator II (as Guardian III)], [Vindicator], [Sasquatch], [Shaman], [Northstar], [Puck], [Diamond Lil], [Windshear] 


Actually, Loki posed as Odin in this issue. The Handbook confirms this.

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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 08:22 pm    
By JimC

Paul, where is SS3 51, SS3 54 (beg), & SS3 57 (beg)? Do you have any notes for Onslaught, another x-o nightmare? Thanks again! 
JimC

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Posted: 13 Jul 2006 08:42 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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Paul, where is SS3 51, SS3 54 (beg), & SS3 57 (beg)? Do you have any notes for Onslaught, another x-o nightmare?  
<<<

I have SS3 51 occurring out of sequence with other issues, sometime before this period. I don't seem to have SS3 54 (beg) or SS3 57 (beg) on my list. Don't know why off-hand without checking the books -- maybe no major characters appear in those segments?
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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 08:14 am    
By jephyork
Director

Off the top of my head, I'll guess it's because they repeat scenes from IG verbatim. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 07:52 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Don't think so. I would have listed both sources with a /, my old equivalent of a ~.
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Thread 22

Posted: 15 Jul 2006 02:40 pm    Post subject: Characters in Front Line #3
By Paul Bourcier
Director

In the first story in Civil War: Front Line #3, Sally Floyd meets with eight super-beings who refuse to register. Three of them are Battlestar, Solo, and Typeface. Who are the others? 
The girl with the mask? 
The guy with the cape? 
The black woman? 
The guy with the glasses? 
The woman with the glasses?
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Thread 23

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 09:44 am    Post subject: Sam Sawyer notes
By Enda80

SGTF 74 
SGTF@ 1 
**T 233 
**T 234 
M/FAN 10 
CA 273 
CA 274 

Sawyer actually appeared in a couple of issues of Thor. His involvement was summarized in his official Handbook entry. 

I had though that he had helped in the struggle against Surtur in Simonson's Thor run and Avengers I#249, but he was dead by then. Who led the military forces in those issues of Thor? Anyone know?

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Thread 24

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 04:02 pm    Post subject: Sensational Spider-Man 28
By JimC

As usual I am having placement problems. Would this be correct??? 

A3 1 
SENSM 28 
HFH 8 
QS 7-FB 
HFH 9 
A3 1 

MCP has: 

Iron Man 
A3 1 
A3 2 
A3 3 
TB 11 
TB 12 
F/A 1 
F/A 2 
X 73 
SENSM 28 
CA3 3 

Captain America 
A3 1 
A3 2 
A3 3 
TB 11 
TB 12 
SENSM 28 
CA3 2 

Wasp 
A3 1 
A3 2 
A3 3 
TB 11 
TB 12 
SENSM 28 
CA3 3 

Spider-Man 
ASM 434 
SENSM 28 
A3 1 

She-Hulk 
A3 1 
HFH 8 
HFH 9 
A3 1 
A3 2 
A3 3 

Luke Cage 
HFH 7 
SENSM 28 
HFH 8 
HFH 9 

Black Knight 
HFH 8 
QS 7-FB 
HFH 9-BTS 
A3 1 
A3 2 
A3 3 

Thanks! 
JimC

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Thread 25

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 05:11 pm    Post subject: Silver Surfer3 146
By JimC

More placement problems. Any ideas where this goes? 

MCP: 

Mr.F 
A3 10 
A3 11 
PPTSS 263 
S-M 98 
SS3 146 

Thing 
A3 10 
A3 11 
PPTSS 263 
SS3 146 

Thor 
SS3 146 
A3 10 
A3 11 

Captain America 
SS3 146 
A3 10 
A3 11 

Thanks Again! 
JimC

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Thread 26

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 11:30 pm    Post subject: FlashBack question
By Col_Fury

How do we treat FlashBacks that are later shown in comics as 'currently happening'? An example: 

Invaders #22 shows a lot of FlashBacks showing how the Human Torch came in contact with Toro. This was published in the '70s. 

Saga of the Human Torch #2 shows these same events, no new information, just re-presented, as 'currently happening.' This was published in the '90s. 

Do the 'current day' Saga events overwrite the earlier Invaders FlashBack events? Even though the Invaders was published first?
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Posted: 17 Jul 2006 01:57 am    
By JD

Col_Fury wrote: 
>>>
Do the 'current day' Saga events overwrite the earlier Invaders FlashBack events? 
<<<

I don't think so. If I remember well, for Uncanny Origins only the "new information" parts were inserted.

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Posted: 17 Jul 2006 03:34 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

The usual MCP principles apply, and it makes no difference that the later scene isn't presented as a flashback. An original scene is never overwritten by a later, more detailed version. The extra material from the later version is simply added before/during/after the original flashback, as appropriate.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2006 07:11 am    
By Jason Doty

Since we are on the subject of flashbacks, X-Men: Deadly Genesis has retconned specific aspects of Giant Size X-Men no.1. I believe Cyclops flashback in GSX no.1 is a memory implant by Professor X and the new revealed information from the limited series will actually overide the old. 

In this case, it is a specific plot point to reveal what really happened. With series such as these would'nt the real time event overide the flashbacks. 

I know the example I used is extreme, but this reminds me of other flashbacks that are later showed in real time verses the original flashback shown. This happened in Classic X-Men and Uncanny Origins.

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Posted: 17 Jul 2006 07:30 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

If the subsequent story (regardless of which story is a flashback) says "what you think happened didn't really happen that way--and here's why," then yes, of course, the subsequent story overrides the original version. But if the subsequent story simply changes facts, without explanation, then no. 

One exception: Let's say the original story is a flashback, and the subsequent version is not. If we can conclude that it's a clear and intentional effort on the part of the creators to show that the original flashback is a storytelling device, showing a faulty memory, or a self-serving lie, then the original flashback might be overridden. 


watching: american morning

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Posted: 17 Jul 2006 10:36 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

X-MEN: DEADLY GENESIS #6 is an unusual case, since it reveals that certain portions of GIANT-SIZE X-MEN #1 - notably, anything where Krakoa speaks - didn't "really" happen that way, because Professor X was interfering with the X-Men's perceptions. 

As Jason says, some of this may suggest that Cyclops' flashback in GSX #1 is a memory implant, in which case we now know that it didn't happen, and it can be deleted. Other parts of GSX #1, also contradicted, aren't flashbacks; however, they seem to have retroactively become examples of the story showing something from the (inaccurate) perception of the lead characters, in the same way that happens whenever Mastermind shows up.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2006 09:43 pm    
By Col_Fury

Thanks!
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Thread 27

Posted: 14 Jul 2006 01:30 am    Post subject: Question about Spider-man chronology related to Webspinners
By lemonfreshviper

and Tangled Web. In the chronology Webspinners #1 and 2 are listed but not #3 which is odd because it's the last part of a 3 part story. Are the inclusions of this series not finished? After a while it evolved into basically being the third monthly spider-title after the reboot but there are at least 4 issues that presented stories set during older continuity. Specifically: 

Arc 1 (Issues 1-3):"As Dreams are made of". A story featuring Mysterio that takes place sometime after ASM #38. 

Arc 2 (Issues 4-6): "Out of the Blue". The untold story of what happened after Spidey and the Silver Surfers fight in Silver Surfer V.1 #18. It's got Psycho Man in it but isn't listed anywhere in the chronology page that I could find... 

Arc 3 (Issues 7-9): "The Bridge". This one I'm very interested in as it tells about Peter's adventure with the Sandman before his senior Prom. The history of Peter's senior year is still sort of muddled for me so I'm definately not sure of where to put this. 

After these first three arcs the title told stories set in the modern continuity following the Byrne/Mackie reboot; Paul Jenkin's arc about the Chameleon is probably the story best remembered by people because it's the only one circulated in any form of reprint (It's in a tpb called 'A day in the life...'). The final two issues of the series featured a story about the Sinister Syndicate and Silver Sable from the Tom Defalco run in the late 200's. That's the last story that I'm curious about especially since I don't have copies of it. 

The other major question I have is about the validity of some of the Tangled Web stories; to me most of them seemed like they'd have to be out of continuity but could fit with some tweaking. I'm interested in the reasoning behind placing the two Darwyn Cooke issues (#11 and #21) during the post-reboot era; Medusa's appearance in the latter of the two makes me wonder about their inclusion in such a late point in time. 

BTW this is my first post ever so if this is inordinately long or offensive in some way I apologize; I've never really done this sort of thing before. Any thoughts about anything in these two series is welcome!

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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 02:05 am    
By JLH

lemonfreshviper wrote: 
>>>
Arc 3 (Issues 7-9): "The Bridge". This one I'm very interested in as it tells about Peter's adventure with the Sandman before his senior Prom. The history of Peter's senior year is still sort of muddled for me so I'm definately not sure of where to put this. 
<<<

While reading Spidey stuff in chronological order, I found the arc fit perfectly (to me, at least) between panels in Amazing Spidey v1 #28. Senior prom has to be just before graduation, after all.

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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 02:11 am    
By Enda80

By the way, JLH, your avatar turned out to be Immortus. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6YSqKJg-YE&search=%28%22Beyond%20Good%20%26%20Evil%20-%204%22%29%20 

Other than that, the Shadow King's appearances are 
also on Youtube.com 

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=brothercorinthians&page=7 

The referenced but unpublished SS on Earth-7888 follows the gap one of those Web-Spinners stories alludes to, the gap after the end of the SS's first series.

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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 10:05 pm    
By JLH

Enda80 wrote: 
>>>
By the way, JLH, your avatar turned out to be Immortus. 
<<<

I was aware.

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 08:59 am    
By lemonfreshviper

That's a good point; though there is the puzzling anachronism of Peter tanning while listening to a walkman, huh? I like this story but man stuff like that is what made Chapter One a complete joke, while making Untold Tales so much fun. Anyway, thank you guys even though I have no idea what you're talking about at the end 

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Thread 28

Posted: 19 Jul 2006 09:00 pm    Post subject: Minor change to HoM #8, from X-Factor #9 [Spoiler]
By Somebody

Minor thing - the opening scene of HoM8, with Layla getting shouted at, was turned into a dream by XF9. Since it was Layla's dream, I'm not sure if that knocks out her appearance or not.

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Thread 29

Posted: 02 Jun 2005 05:18 pm    Post subject: Cap's WW2 Years
By Adamant

From the chronology: 

CA COMICS 1 
CA COMICS 1/2 
CA COMICS 1/3 
--- 
TOS 64/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6 
----- 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10/3 
TOS 65/2 
TOS 66/2-FB-BTS 
TOS 66/2 
----- 
TOS 71/2 
TOS 63/2 
UX 268-FB 
TOS 63/2 
TOS 71/2 
-------- 
CA COMICS 78 

Okay, let's get started. 
TOS 63/2, TOS 64/2 and TOS 65/2 are, CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1, CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/2 and CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/4. Both of those stories couldn't have happened. 
Now, I greatly prefer the original stories to the retellings (Red Skull with sleeping gas... no, don't like it.), but the retellings ARE more recent, which means THEY happened, right? Well.. 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/2 has the introduction of Betty Ross (not the one in Hulk). She IS in the retelling, but we never hear her name, yet Cap knows it in CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2/1, her next appearance. 
Also, in CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/4, The Red Skull rolls over his own poisoned needle and dies. Supposedly. In CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3, we find out that he was immune to the poison, and survived. Well, there was no poison needle in the retelling, in that, the Skull simply escapes, and is never heard from again (then we find out he wasn't the real Skull anyway). 

Well, IF the retelings happened, the original stories didn't, and the retellings remove important plot points too. Not sure what to do with that, but only one of each story happened. Not both. Also, what's the origin of Cap doing around TOS 71/2? Is it the submarine subplot only? 

Also, what's up with CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 72 near the end? I don't think the original Cap was in that (never read it). 

I also noticed you don't have CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2-5 listed. I have these issues in both Masterworks and Classic Years form (CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5 is not available in Masterworks form yet), you want me to do issue analysis on them?

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Posted: 02 Jun 2005 05:50 pm    
By jephyork
Director

I'd say that it's the *original* versions of the stories that "occured", rather than the retellings. 

And yes, an issue analysis of any issues we appear to be missing would be welcomed. 

Welcome to the boards! 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 02 Jun 2005 07:58 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Well, let's think about it... 

Our policy regarding Golden Age stories is that they happened, unless a post-FF 1 story contradicts it. 

I wasn't aware that the Tales of Suspense stories were retellings of Golden Age stories, so thanks, Adamant. 


watching: eagles farewell tour

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Posted: 02 Jun 2005 09:56 pm    
By Enda80

Further adding to the confusion, Cap#112 has Iron Man recall the events of Captain America Comics#3.

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Posted: 02 Jun 2005 10:17 pm    
By jephyork
Director

That's not one bit confusing. 

That fits perfectly with our mandate that all Golden Age stories happened unless they're contradicted by a MU story. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 02 Jun 2005 10:25 pm    
By Enda80

The problem, as alluded to before, is that the story in #3 of Captain America Comics directly picked up on the end of #1, where the Red Skull (Maxon) injected himself with the poison (which he was immune to). This did not happen in the TOS retelling, so it must have happened differently. 

I e-mailed the adminstrator part of Mr. Flick's indepth comparison.

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Posted: 02 Jun 2005 10:31 pm    
By jephyork
Director

...or, the TOS retellings aren't the canon versions -- the original 40s comics are. 

Golden Age comics are only tossed out of canon when they're *contradicted* by later stories -- not when later stories retell the *same events* in a *slightly different fashion*. I don't think "retellings" of older stories have ever been deemed canon ... certainly when both stories are 1961-up, the original trumps the retelling every time. Why should things be different for Golden Age comics? 

EDIT: Looks like you e-mailed me, too. Faaan-tastic. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 04:41 pm    
By Col_Fury

jephyork wrote: 
...or, the TOS retellings aren't the canon versions -- the original 40s comics are. 

Golden Age comics are only tossed out of canon when they're *contradicted* by later stories -- not when later stories retell the *same events* in a *slightly different fashion*. I don't think "retellings" of older stories have ever been deemed canon ... certainly when both stories are 1961-up, the original trumps the retelling every time. Why should things be different for Golden Age comics?  

Is this the decision? The origin story in Captain America Comics can be made to fit with the retelling in TOS 63/2, but what about the others? Would we list them concurrently, like this: 

CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/2~TOS 64/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/4~TOS 65/2 

or are we just ignoring the TOS retellings? 

The reason I ask: depending on how you look at it, the TOS retellings do contradict the Golden Age versions. Cap has his triangular shield in the originals, alongside Bucky, in the Golden Age versions. In the Silver Age versions, Cap has the circular shield, alongside Bucky. 

In all the post-FF 1 versions I've found,(CA 109, CA 255, CA: SOL2) aside from the non-canon Sentinel of Liberty, Cap recieved his circular shield from FDR before he teamed up with Bucky. 

We could just chalk the shield up to artistic error, but if not, then are Captain America Comics 1/2 & 1/4 tossed out?
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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 06:13 pm    
By Enda80

The '89 entry for the Skull acknowledged Cap Am Com#7 for Schmidt's first appearance. John Maxon is acknowledged, as are his appearances in #1 and #3. However, it is in Update '89#6 that it is speculated that John Maxon was the same person as George Maxon from TOS. So even they did not feel bold enough to go only one way. 

Actually, in the TOS remake, the real Maxon never appears, only a spy who replaced the real Maxon, an aviation company owner. Young Allies#1 is also acknowledged.

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 11:39 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Col_Fury wrote: 
The reason I ask: depending on how you look at it, the TOS retellings do contradict the Golden Age versions. Cap has his triangular shield in the originals, alongside Bucky, in the Golden Age versions. In the Silver Age versions, Cap has the circular shield, alongside Bucky. 

In all the post-FF 1 versions I've found,(CA 109, CA 255, CA: SOL2) aside from the non-canon Sentinel of Liberty, Cap recieved his circular shield from FDR before he teamed up with Bucky. 

We could just chalk the shield up to artistic error, but if not, then are Captain America Comics 1/2 & 1/4 tossed out? 


As I see it there, there are two possible solutions: 

1. The stories occurred in the original order given in the Golden Age. The presence of Cap's round shield in retellings of the later stories in CA COMICS 1 is written off as an artistic error (albeit a long-lived one). 
2. The stories occurred in the order given in the Silver Age; Cap's triangular shield in the latter stories in CA COMICS 1 is retconned into the round shield, but the stories are otherwise valid. 

Cap receiving the round shield could be shoehorned in between panels of the first story of CA COMICS 1 if the Silver Age chronology is being followed instead of the Golden Age. 

-Sean

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 12:15 am    
By Somebody

Given the other times we've seen the triangular shield used as a GA shorthand (e.g., Priest's BP), I'd lean toward writing off the round shield as an error

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 02:27 am    
By Col_Fury

SeanCurtin wrote: 
>>>
2. The stories occurred in the order given in the Silver Age; Cap's triangular shield in the latter stories in CA COMICS 1 is retconned into the round shield, but the stories are otherwise valid. 
<<<

That's what I'm leaning towards. 

SeanCurtin wrote: 
>>>
Cap receiving the round shield could be shoehorned in between panels of the first story of CA COMICS 1 if the Silver Age chronology is being followed instead of the Golden Age.  
<<<

Check this out, specifically Captain America 255, for details on that. 
http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=2459

Basically, Cap had a month or so of adventures with the triangular shield, then was given the circular shield, then met Bucky. Then, Captain America Comics 1/2, 1/3, & 1/4 happened. Once Captain America Comics 2 came out, Cap had a round shield, no more problems.
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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 12:31 pm    
By JimC

Col_Fury wrote: 
>>>
aside from the non-canon Sentinel of Liberty 
<<<

Is this The Adventures of Captain America? 

JimC

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 09:40 pm    
By Col_Fury

JimC wrote: 
>>>
Is this The Adventures of Captain America? 
<<<

Yes. The full title on the cover is "the Adventures of Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty."
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Thread 30

Posted: 20 Jul 2006 01:55 am    Post subject: contest of champions 2
By dubj1979

I was sbout to read contest of champions 2 and i was wondering were it fit in but i couldn't find it anywere. the date shows it came out in '99 and in the first of the 5 part series it has iron man vs x force. I looked it up in the chrono through IM and domino but nothing shows. Is it non cannon or what cus i found the first contest of champions. If anyone could help me it'd be great. Thnx.

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 06:14 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

It's canonical. FWIW, here are a few of my notes about the placement of this series. 

CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS v2 #1 
One day. This story occurs after NW2 1 and must occur between XFOR 90 and XFOR 91, although this means that Stark should have an armor resistant to psi attacks as shown in TB 12, but this is a different armor. 
CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS v2 #2 
The same day as COC2 1. 
CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS v2 #3 
The same day as COC2 2. Justice appears here in his old costume and without a cast, so this story must occur before A3 16. 
CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS v2 #4 
The same day as COC2 3. 
CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS v2 #5 
The same day as COC2 4. Cap has his energy shield here, so this story must occur before CA3 20. Since TChalla and Cap appear to be on good terms, this story likely occurs before BP3 8.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 11:11 am    
By dubj1979

awesome thanks Paul

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Thread 31

Posted: 20 Jul 2006 09:05 am    Post subject: Misc Marvel Comics Presents placement questions
By electronicLad

I couldn't find instances of the following in the associated characters chronologies. Please let me know if I am mistaken. 

I would offer suggestions for placement, but don't currently have these issues. I hope to get them shortly, and will offer my own suggestions after I've read them. 

But just in case someone else has an idea, I am curious about the following: 

M/CP 119 "The Exclusive" (Mojo) 
M/CP 121 "Of Faith and Fable" (Mirage) 
M/CP 152-155 - "Pure Sacrifice" (Wolverine)

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 09:47 am
By jephyork
Director

As far as I know, all of those issues fall in "the Gap". They'll be analyzed and added eventually... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 12:51 pm    
By Col_Fury

I analysed Marvel Comics Presents 119-149 and posted them in the analysis forum a while back. Check around page 5 through 7.
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Thread 32

Posted: 15 Jul 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: James Hudson chronology
By Mikhail

In UXM 109, Wolverine says, "I resigned, Jimmy-boy -- you were there when I sliced Chasen's tie." Would this qualify Guardian for a BTS appearance in Giant-Size X-Men #1?

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Posted: 15 Jul 2006 12:23 pm    
By Somebody

I pointed this out over a year ago - http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1307 - is it still not fixed?

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 03:41 am    
By JD

Well, Uncannyxmen.net says that this was later contradicted by ALPHA FLIGHT #17, which apparently stated that James wasn't there after all. I don't have that issue, can anyone check whether this is true ?

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 03:03 pm    
By Peter Fabricius

Quite true. 

As seen on page three, Guardian is talking to Chasen on a video link, 5 minutes after Wolverine cut Chasen's tie.
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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 06:12 pm    
By jephyork
Director

So he was "there", as in he was in the building and heard about Wolie quitting immediately after it happened -- but he wasn't "there", as in right there in the room. 

Works for me. So, no BTS necessary. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 01:16 pm    
By Peter Fabricius

Not even in the same city. 

Giant-Size X-Men #1 has Wolverine and Chasen in Quebec. Hudson is in Ottawa
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Thread 33

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 06:04 am    Post subject: Villains in Thunderbolts #104
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Another horde of characters to identify, as the Thunderbolts set about recruiting an army of (mainly D-list) villains. Incidentally, the U-Foes get captured right at the start of this story, and therefore they can't have been among the people seen at the end of issue #103, despite the (ahem) obvious similarity of the drawings. 

The parade of villains begins when we reach page 13 and the Swordsman's training ground in New Mexico. Ignoring the core Thunderbolts themselves:- 

Pages 13-14 - Ox II, King Cobra, Unicorn. 

Page 15 - Ox II, King Cobra, Snake Marston (!), Bushmaster and Rattler from the Serpent Society, and two new characters identified as Blacklash II and Whiplash II. 

Page 16 - Blacklash II, Whiplash II, a random in the bottom left corner of panel 2, Quicksand, and in the final panel, Slyde and Vector. 

Pages 17-18 - Double page spread. I'll include the Thunderbolts themselves here, since it's easier to keep track that way. In the air, left to right: Blizzard II, X-Ray and Vapor. Hovering above the main group, Killer Shrike. On the ground, from left to right:- 

1. Batroc the Leaper. 
2. Unidentified guy in blue tights and white boots, most hidden. 
3. Doctor Octopus 
4. Tatterdemalion (!) 
5. MACH-IV 
6. Songbird 
7. Radioactive Man 
8. Fixer 
9. Baron Zemo 
10. Rattler of the Serpent Society 
11. Ironclad of the U-Foes 
12. Red skinned man in purple trunks - one of the Lava Men? 
13. Boomerang 
14. Vector 
15. Slyde 
16. Pretty Persuasions 
17-19. The new Beetles 
20. Vermin? 
21. Smiling Tiger of the Folding Circle 
22. A new Porcupine 
23. The Eel II 
24. Whirlwind
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Posted: 16 Jul 2006 08:18 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I agree that there's a Lava Man in this group and that Vermin is here. You missed a bare-chested male who can be seen between the people in the Beetle II and Beetle III armors -- who the heck is he? Mahkizmo? 

We thought that Vector was among the captured villains seen in TB 103, but that can't be right, given that the U-Foes are apprehended in TB 104. 

Among the villains shown in TB 103 who are not seen in TB 104 are Zaran, Mimic, Blob, Scarecrow, Silk Fever, Klaw, and the four members of the Wrecking Crew. None of these characters fit the description of the unidentified characters in TB 104. They might be present BTS on the training field, but they could be back in their stasis fields. It's inconclusive, so no BTS appearance here for them.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2006 10:01 am    
By Mikhail

Aren't Marston and Killer Shrike supposed to be dead?

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Posted: 16 Jul 2006 01:18 pm    
By Hotcharokey

They got better.

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 09:02 am    
By lemonfreshviper

Well don't fault them for that; Vermin's been cured for years until being brought back (along with Man-wolf and Stegron no less) in the 'Feral' storyline in whatever MK Spidey's called now. When it comes to Fabian screwing up I'm a lot more forgiving because he keeps tabs on a lot of stuff. Stuff like Doom being back in hell despite being trapped in another dimension less then 2 years ago is way more offensive...

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 10:06 pm    
By JLH

Actually, Vermin was back to being his old self in the Chuck Dixon-written "Marvel Knights" team books years back. No explaination, he's just living in the sewers again. Seems like the dissolution of Ravencroft was a story that needed to be told (or, in Carnage: It's a Wonderful Life's case, retold).

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 10:36 pm    
By SeanCurtin

I believe that he was returned to being Vermin during Frank Tieri's run on Wolverine before that. 

-Sean

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 02:23 am    
By lemonfreshviper

He's been back as Vermin for a few years but as far as I can recall it's NEVER been explained; when I was younger I just always thought that when Traveller changed him back in AMS #401 (I think; it's part 2 of Trial of Peter Parker) that it stuck. This, in spite of Traveller having been revealed to have no real powers...

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 03:19 am    
By Somebody

lemonfreshviper wrote: 
>>>
This, in spite of Traveller having been revealed to have no real powers... 
Even post-retcon, he was a telepath (which is how he made Carnage forget that Spidey=PP). 
<<<

And didn't Carrion turn up after that, back to normal again?

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 03:47 am    
By JLH

There was that "Dead Man's Hand" one-shot circa the end of "Revelations" that sort of revived Carrion yet again for the third time.

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 12:23 pm    
By jannepie

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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I agree that there's a Lava Man in this group and that Vermin is here. You missed a bare-chested male who can be seen between the people in the Beetle II and Beetle III armors -- who the heck is he? Mahkizmo? 
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I've only seen a blurry scan from that group shot but that red man's head seemed a bit large. He didn't happen to have two faces like Bi-Beast? 

That bare-chested man reminds me of Alistaire Smythe's look in the 90s but I think he's back with his scientist look now.

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 03:29 pm    
By Mikhail

I think the man on the splash page between Radioactive Man and Zemo is Aqueduct, not Fixer. Except for the apparently bald head, the costume and colors fit Aqueduct perfectly, AND he's on the cover.

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 09:37 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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I think the man on the splash page between Radioactive Man and Zemo is Aqueduct, not Fixer. Except for the apparently bald head, the costume and colors fit Aqueduct perfectly, AND he's on the cover. 
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Good call, Mikhail. You have a point there. Maybe Aqueduct shaved his head. 


Quote: 
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I've only seen a blurry scan from that group shot but that red man's head seemed a bit large. He didn't happen to have two faces like Bi-Beast?  
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Just one face and a large forehead, but not as large as the Lava Men leader from THOR 481.
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Thread 34

Posted: 21 Jul 2006 03:32 pm    Post subject: John Sublime
By Mikhail

According to Weapon X #23, John Sublime was part of the Weapon X Program as Cornelius's assistant. In Marvel Comics Presents #79, Hines and Cornelius are talking in a control booth, and she asks "John" to go take a coffee break to give them some privacy. He kinda looks like Sublime, too. Is this enough for a reference in his chronology, or too iffy?

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 04:28 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

If we can convince ourselves that he looks like Sublime, then...I like it. 


watching: lou dobbs

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Posted: 22 Jul 2006 05:59 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

How close is the resemblance? If the WEAPON X artist seems to have deliberately aped the character design, then I'd go with it. Otherwise, I'd be inclined to say it's a coincidence, without further evidence. It's a common name.
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Thread 35

Posted: 20 Jul 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Marvel Calendar: Year 21
By JimC

Saturday, May 25: 

X-TREME X-MEN #8 
THOR: GODSTORM #1 
THOR: GODSTORM #2 
THOR: GODSTORM #3 
UNCANNY X-MEN #401 

Paul, how does Thor: Godstorm fit here? In T:G 1 page 1 "in the year 912". On page 4 the tale told to Wilf and Uller says " ...it begins on a day Thor, God of Thunder, was barely into manhood". And pages 18 - 25 shows the Avengers circa volume 1, issues 4 and 5. It also has Thor as Dr. Don Blake and nurse Jane Foster. I'm just curious how this fits here, maybe I missed something in the story. 
JimC

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 06:15 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I don't have issue #1 and was basing this on an issue analysis and the publication date. I have Odin telling the story to Uller and Wilf (the framing sequence) in Year 21. Is there a reference that suggests that Odin's telling of the tale takes place at a time other than the recent past?
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 11:13 am    
By JimC

In issue 1 page 1 the narration caption says" The coast of the North Sea, in the year 912 A.D....", then on page 4 panel 2 the story is about to be told to Wilf and Uller ...." a story, as ancient as our own beginnings." Page 4 panel 5 more narration "...it begins on a day that THOR, God of Thunder, was barely into manhood..." Thor and Loki both appear to be younger looking. Pages 16 - 17 back to Wilf and Uller... Page 17 panel 2 " in the unfolding of time, there shall rise a land... and Thor will be there. He will have ALLIES among the mortals..." Im guessing this is a flash-forward. Page 18 - 25 shows the Avengers. Judging from Wasps costume and Iron Mans faceplate.. I would say this was from Avengers 4-5. And again, on page 25 panels 2-3 nurse Jane Foster, panel 7 - Dr.Don Blake. And, Don Blake and Jane are alsao on pages 27-29. I dont know if this helps. 
JimC

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 09:43 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I must be missing something. I'm still not seeing anything that places the trio of Odin, Wilf, and Uller in the distant past. It sounds like Odin is relating two tales -- one set in the year 912 and one set in the early days of the Avengers. Both of these tales sound like flashbacks, while the framing sequence (Odin's narration itself) is set in the recent past (not long before Odin's death).
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Posted: 22 Jul 2006 01:33 am    
By JimC

I'm sorry. I did not explain it correctly. Wilf and Uller are in the year 912. The first page shows Vikings fighting on the shore. This is where we fist see Wilf and Uller. Then the Thors tales would be a flashback and a flash-forward. Right?

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Posted: 22 Jul 2006 08:14 am    
By Dhall

Quote: 
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I have Odin telling the story to Uller and Wilf (the framing sequence) in Year 21. Is there a reference that suggests that Odin's telling of the tale takes place at a time other than the recent past? 
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Yes, Odin's narration takes place on " The Coast of the North Sea, in the Year 912 A.D." 


The stories that Odin is telling are of the future.

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Posted: 22 Jul 2006 08:45 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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Yes, Odin's narration takes place on " The Coast of the North Sea, in the Year 912 A.D."  
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Okay, that's clear to me. Thanks. 


Quote: 
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The stories that Odin is telling are of the future. 
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Odin could see the future?
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Posted: 22 Jul 2006 08:50 am    
By JimC

The first story he tells is from the "ancient past". Then he uses the runestones to show him the future.

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Posted: 22 Jul 2006 09:17 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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The first story he tells is from the "ancient past". Then he uses the runestones to show him the future. 
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Check. The next update of the calendar will eliminate the Godstorm issues. Thanks, Jim!
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Thread 36

Posted: 23 Jul 2006 01:25 pm    Post subject: Other crossovers
By metaldragon

Hey Paul, your notes on the major crossovers are great! Do you have any for the annual ones? Atlantis Attacks, Evolutionary War, etc... 

Thanks!
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Posted: 23 Jul 2006 02:45 pm    
By JimC

I'd love to see his notes on Onslaught, that is a X-O nightmare!

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Thread 37

Posted: 23 Jul 2006 08:38 pm    Post subject: Wolverine chronology (1980's)
By Mikhail

I have a question about the placement of the following issues. 

UX 232 
UX 233 
UX 234 
W2 1 
W2 2 
W2 3 
W:DOOMBRINGER 
M/AGE@ 4 
W2 4 
W2 5 
W2 6 
UX@ 12 
W2 7 

UX 232 is the debut of Psylocke in her personal body armor, yet W2 5 has Jessica Drew and Lindsey McCabe retrieving the armor from LL&L for Logan, and Tyger Tiger wears in through W2 7 before Logan reclaims it, so shouldn't W2 1-7 occur prior to UX 232-234? Also, at least part of W2 7 is a direct continuation from the cliffhanger in W2 6. I think it should look more like this: 

W2 1 
W2 2 
W2 3 
W:DOOMBRINGER 
M/AGE@ 4 
W2 4 
W2 5 
W2 6 
W2 7 
UX 232 
UX 233 
UX 234 
UX@ 12 
W2 7

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 10:45 am 
By Ocean Doot

I was wondering about this same thing. I believe you're right -- the break point has to come in the middle of issue 7, because the beginning continues directly from Wolverine 6. 

The most logical place is to break it right after the last time we see Tyger wearing the armor. (There is an unspecified time-lapse between that scene and the next.)

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Thread 38

Posted: 24 Jul 2006 09:14 pm    Post subject: Onslaught chronology
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Okay, here are my old notes about Onslaught. Again, it's been a while since I've done this, so I can't totally vouch for the details, which aren't double-checked. And again, please excuse the lack of precise page/panel ranges. The dates are slightly off, calendar-wise, but I think we are indeed talking about October of Year 18 here. (I don't believe Heroes Reborn really consumed a whole year of MU time.) Enjoy... 


EXCALIBUR #96 
(one day; probably same day as SMU 13 end; must occur between XMan 15 beg and end; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Phoenix IV, Alistaire Stuart, Shinobi Shaw, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Colossus, Meggan, Black King II, Black Queen III, Red Queen II, Red King, Scribe, Cyclops, Black King, Captain Britain, Douglock 
X-MAN #15 (end) 
(must be same day as Exc 96; "almost a week" after XMan 15 beg; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Holocaust, Black King, Sage, Onslaught, Nate Grey, Threnody 
X-MAN #16 
(same day as XMan 15 end; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Nate Grey, Holocaust, Threnody, Madelyne Pryor, Selene 
X-MAN #17 
(same day as XMan 16; shortly before Av 400; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Nate Grey, Holocaust, Threnody, Madelyne Pryor, Trevor Fitzroy, Selene 
EXCALIBUR #97 
(same day as Exc 96; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Nightcrawler, Meggan, Alistaire Stuart, Shadowcat, Wolfsbane, Captain Britain, Douglock, Moira MacTaggert, Pete Wisdom, Lockheed, Scratch, Black Queen III, Red King, Black King II, Red Queen II, Red Bishop, Meggan, Colossus 
AVENGERS #400 
(must be same day as XMan 17; must be after DCVM 4, AU 6, MFFII 1, SMTU 4 end, and IMXOMHM 1 end; autumn leaves are falling; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Jarvis, Loki, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Crystal, Vision, Captain America, Iron Man V, Hawkeye, Thor, Wasp, Dr. Pym, Black Widow II, Spider-Man, Thing, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Black Panther, Sub-Mariner, She-Hulk, Nate Grey 
X-MEN II #53 
(must be same day as Av 400; "days" after XMU 10; must be after XForce 55, CableII 33, and UX96; after ANE 5; before XMU 11; a presidential election year; snow in Colorado Rockies; green trees in New York; "Saturday"; must be October 12) 
Phoenix IV, Onslaught, Black Beast, Graydon Creed, Psylocke, Archangel, Juggernaut, Professor X, Joseph 
IRON MAN #327 
(one day; a "few weeks" after AT; it is not known when Tony recorded his will; rain; full moon; probably Saturday, October 12) 
Iron Man V, Jarvis, Dr. Pym, Wasp, Iron Man II, War Machine, Bethany Cabe, Morgan Stark?, Frostbite 
GENERATION X #12 
(must be same day as XMII 53; cold weather, bare trees, and green grass in Boston; full moon; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Emplate, Synch, Jubilee, Husk, Mondo, M, Banshee, Chamber, Skin, White Queen, Penance, Gayle, D.O.A., Bulwark, Misty 
GENERATION X #13 
(same night as GX 12; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Emplate, Synch, Jubilee, Husk, Mondo, M, Banshee, Chamber, Skin, White Queen, Penance, Gayle, D.O.A., Bulwark, Misty, Leech, Artie Maddicks, Bishop 
GENERATION X #14 
(same night as GX 13; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Emplate, Synch, Jubilee, Husk, Mondo, M, Banshee, Chamber, Skin, White Queen, Penance, Gayle, Misty, Bishop, Murmur 
DOOM 2099 #42 
(one night; shortly after D2099 41 end; must be after FFU 5, CA 445, XMII 48, and SMTU 3; probably after FFUP 6; full moon; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Doom 2099, Thing, Daredevil, Sub-Mariner, Dr. Doom, Ben Urich, Dr. Strange 
DOOM 2099 #43 
(same night as D2099 42; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Doom 2099, Sub-Mariner, Dr. Doom 
X-MEN UNLIMITED #11 
(must be same night as XMII 53; after XMII 53 and UX 333; "weeks" after Rogue left the X-Men; "three months" after UX 327 pg. 1-4, and so two months after UX 327 pg. 12-15; a few months before UX 347; full moon; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Rogue, Joseph, Bastion, Trask 
EXCALIBUR #98 
(same night as Exc 97; crescent moon; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Nightcrawler, Meggan, Alistaire Stuart, Shadowcat, Wolfsbane, Captain Britain, Douglock, Moira MacTaggert, Pete Wisdom, Black Queen III, Scribe 
UNCANNY X-MEN #334 
(same night as XMII 53; must be after Wolv 103; crescent moon; must be Saturday, October 12) 
Juggernaut, Bishop, Gambit, Cyclops, Phoenix IV, Archangel, Psylocke, Cannonball, Black Beast, Iceman, Storm, Wolverine, Graydon Creed, Bastion, Professor X 
X-MEN II #54 
(same night as UX 334 and into next morning; "weeks" after XMP; full moon inconsistent with crescent moon of UX 334; must be Saturday and Sunday, October 12-13) 
Juggernaut, Phoenix IV, Cannonball, Cyclops, Storm, Black Beast, Bishop, Wolverine, Gambit, Professor X, Onslaught 
EXCALIBUR #99 
(same night as Exc 98 and next morning; flashback not recorded; must be Saturday and Sunday, October 12-13) 
Pete Wisdom, Shadowcat, Meggan, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Captain Britain, Scribe, Red King, Red Queen II, Black King II, Black Queen III, Douglock, Onslaught, /demon/ 
IRON MAN #328 
(same night as IM 327 and evening of the next day; probably Saturday and Sunday, October 12-13) 
Iron Man V, Frostbite, Jarvis, Bethany Cabe, War Machine, Iron Man II 
ONSLAUGHT: X-MEN #1 
(same morning XMII 54 end; right after Av 400; shortly after FF 414; "weeks" after XMan 11; the reference to "summer" must be topical; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Phoenix IV, Professor X, Onslaught, Iceman, Cannonball, Black Beast, Wolverine, Gambit, Bishop, Storm, Cyclops, Juggernaut, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Tattletale, Vision, Iron Man V, Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Wasp, Thor, Dr. Pym, Nate Grey, Sentinels 
WOLVERINE '96 (1st story: flashback) 
(same day as OXM 1; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Sunfire 
UNCANNY X-MEN #335 
(same day as OXM 1; full moon; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Ozymandias, Apocalypse, Watcher, Iron Man V, Captain America, Thor, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Nate Grey, Gambit, Bishop, Cannonball, Phoenix IV, Storm, Iceman, Wolverine, Cyclops, Moira MacTaggert, Meggan, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Pete Wisdom, Sunspot, Domino II, Siryn, Psylocke, Archangel, Black Beast, Onslaught, Professor X 
X-FACTOR #125 
(same day as UX 335; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Onslaught, Black Beast, Fatale, Havok, Polaris, Random, Forge, Shard, Wildchild, Mystique, Sabretooth, Post, Beast 
X-FACTOR #126 
(same day as XF 125; is XF 144 FB tied into this?; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Forge, Sabretooth, Mystique, Wildchild, Polaris, Shard, Havok, Random, Beast, Black Beast, Fatale 
EXCALIBUR #100 
(same day as Exc 99 end and UX 335; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Red Queen II, Red King, Black King II, Black Queen III, /demon/, Colossus, Lockheed, Wolfsbane, Pete Wisdom, Meggan, Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, Moira MacTaggert, Magik II, Archangel, Psylocke, Cannonball, Cyclops, Phoenix IV, Captain Britain, Douglock 
FANTASTIC FOUR #413 
(must be same day as XF 125; day after D2099 43; sometime after SSIII 109; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Doom 2099, Warlord, Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Sub-Mariner, Dr. Doom, Psi-Lord, Black Bolt, Medusa, Gorgon, Karnak, Ahura, Silver Surfer, Human Torch II, Hyperstorm, Tattletale 
FANTASTIC FOUR #414 
(same day as FF 413; green grass and trees; jacket weather; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Tattletale, Lyja, Warlord, Hyperstorm, Ant-Man II, Dr. Doom II, Galactus, Onslaught 
AVENGERS #401 (beginning) 
(same day as UX 335; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Quicksilver, Thor, Captain America, Vision, Iron Man V, Scarlet Witch, Gambit, Dr. Pym, Crystal, Black Widow II, Wasp, Iceman, Hawkeye, Bishop 
FANTASTIC FOUR #415 
(same day as Av 401 beg, FF 414 and XF 125; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Tattletale, Onslaught, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Ant-Man II, Lyja, Warlord, Professor X, Black Widow II, Bishop, Hawkeye, Iceman, Wasp, Dr. Pym, Crystal, Lockjaw, Apocalypse, Watcher 
AVENGERS #401 (end) 
(same day as FF 415 and Av 401 beg; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Rogue, Joseph, Vision, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Captain America, Iron Man V, Thor, Gambit, 
EXCALIBUR #101 
(same day as Exc 100; after FF 415 and Av 401 end; full moon; must be Sunday, October 13, although this story must begin later in the day than "mid morning") 
Moira MacTaggert, Rory Campbell, Alistaire Stuart, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Pete Wisdom, Colossus, Wolfsbane, Captain Britain, Meggan, Magik II, Douglock, Lockheed 
PUNISHER III #11 
(must be same evening as CableII34; probably Sunday, October 13) 
Punisher, Sentinels, G.W. Bridge, Valentina de la Fontane, Dum Dum Dugan, Rashid Hammer Jones 
X-MAN #18 
(same night as UX 335; full moon; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Mr. Sinister, Nate Grey, Caliban, Domino II, Sunspot, Siryn, Meltdown II, Threnody, Arclight, Scalphunter, Harpoon, Vertigo II 
X-FORCE #57 
(same night as XMan 18; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Domino II, Mr. Sinister, Nate Grey, Meltdown II, Sunspot, Shatterstar II, Caliban, Warpath, Risque 
CABLE II #34 
(same night as UX 335; shortly after CableII 33 -- Nathan is still in Baltimore trying to recuperate from events of CableII 33; according to CableII 58, this story occurs shortly after XForce 55; must be before PunIII 11; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Ozymandias, Cable, Hulk, G.W. Bridge, Dum Dum Dugan, Valentina de la Fontane, Storm, Apocalypse 
INCREDIBLE HULK II #444 
(same night as CableII 34; must be shortly after IH 443; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Hulk, Cable, Storm, Janis, Ajax 
WOLVERINE II #104 
(same rainy night as UX 335; full moon; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Wolverine, Elektra, Gateway 
X-MEN UNLIMITED #12 
(same night as OXM 1; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Dr. Strange, Juggernaut, Gomurr, Spite, Cyttorak 
GENERATION X #15 
(probably night of the day after GX 14; after XM 49; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Synch, Banshee, White Queen, M, Husk, Jubilee, Skin, Chamber 
GENERATION X #16 
(same night as GX 15; full moon; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Synch, M, Husk, Jubilee, Banshee, White Queen, Synch, Skin, Chamber, X-Cutioner 
GENERATION X #17 
(same night as GX 16; full moon; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Skin, Chamber, X-Cutioner, Banshee, Jubilee, Synch, White Queen, M 
GENERATION X #18 
(same night as GX 17; full moon; must be Sunday, October 13) 
Husk, Banshee, M, Jubilee, Synch, White Queen, Penance, Leech, Artie Maddicks, Mondo, Skin, Chamber, Toad 
IRON MAN #329 
(same night as IM 328 end; full moon; during the fall semester, but not September; probably Sunday, October 13) 
Iron Man V, War Machine 
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN #8 
(one day and next morning; shortly after SSM 237; reference to "summer" must be topical; must be the Sunday and Monday following the "Tuesday" story in SeSM 7; must be October 13-14) 
Spider-Man, Looter, Spider-Man II, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, Sentinels 
IRON MAN #330 
(same night as IM 329 and next day; "month" after AT; full moon; probably Sunday and Monday, October 13-14) 
Iron Man V, War Machine, Jarvis, Calico, Sunstreak, Brass, Joust, Unicorn, Morgan Stark 
X-FORCE #58 
(early morning after XForce 57; same day as CableII 35, but perhaps earlier in the day; must be Monday, October 14) 
Sunspot, Siryn, Shatterstar II, Meltdown II, Caliban, Warpath, Domino II, Cable, Onslaught 
GENERATION X #19 
(morning after GX 18; reference to a "beautiful summer day" must be topical; must be Monday, October 14) 
White Queen, Jubilee, M, Synch, Husk, Toad, Banshee, Sasquatch 
IRON MAN #331 
(same day as IM 330 end; after OXM 1; a weekday during the college year; probably Monday, October 14) 
Iron Man V, War Machine, Brass, Joust, Unicorn, Sunstreak, Morgan Stark, Sentinel 
X-MEN II #55 (beginning) 
(same morning as SeSM 8; morning after Av 401 end and Exc 100; must be Monday, October 14) 
Sentinels, Bishop, Thing, Scarlet Witch, Captain America, Dr. Pym, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Iceman, Black Widow II, Iron Man V, Vision, Crystal, Quicksilver, Human Torch II, Thor, Ant-Man II, Wasp, Gambit, Rogue, Joseph, Hawkeye, Tattletale, Onslaught, Archangel, Cyclops, Cannonball, Psylocke, Phoenix IV 
GENERATION X '96 (tape-recorded flashback) 
(same morning as XMII 55 beg; Scott's appearance here must be an error, since he was in an aircraft at this time; must be Monday, October 14) 
Storm, Wolverine, Cyclops, Sentinels, Mr. Fantastic, Thing, Human Torch II, Invisible Woman 
X-MEN II #55 (end) 
(same morning as GX'96 FB; must be Monday, October 14) 
Sentinels, Rogue, Joseph, Gambit, Iceman, Onslaught, Thor, Human Torch II, Thing, Captain America, Vision, Iron Man, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Cyclops, Phoenix IV, Archangel, Psylocke, Cannonball, Bishop, Ozymandias 
UNCANNY X-MEN #336 
(same day as XMII 55 end; must be Monday, October 14) 
Tattletale, Professor X, Onslaught, Watcher, Apocalypse, Human Torch II, Iceman, Hawkeye, Psylocke, Cyclops, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Joseph, Gambit, Rogue, Ant-Man II, Vision, Dr. Pym, Bishop, Iron Man V, Phoenix IV, Thing, Storm, Cable, Thor 
THUNDERBOLTS #33 (flashback: page 2, panels 2-8) 
(day of Onslaught; school day; must be Monday, October 14) 
Jolt 
CABLE II #35 
(same day as UX 336 and XForce 58; must be Monday, October 14) 
Watcher, Cable, Invisible Woman, Apocalypse, Onslaught, Tattletale 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #415 (page 1-page 6, panel 3) 
(same day as SeSM 8 end; must be Monday, October 14) 
Spider-Man II, Mary Jane Watson-Parker 
GREEN GOBLIN #12 (page 1-page 4, panel 2) 
(same day as ASM 415 pg. 1-6; must be Monday, October 14) 
Green Goblin IV, Ben Urich, Sentinels, (Daredevil), (New Warriors) 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #415 (page 6, panels 4-5)/GREEN GOBLIN #12 (page 4, panel 3) 
(same day as GG 12 pg. 1-4; must be Monday, October 14) 
Green Goblin IV, Ben Urich, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson 
GREEN GOBLIN #12 (page 5) 
(same day as ASM 415 pg. 6, pn. 4-5; must be Monday, October 14) 
Green Goblin IV, Robbie Robertson, (Darkhawk), (Steel Spider), (New Warriors) 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #415 (page 6, panel 6) 
(same day as GG 12 pg. 5; must be Monday, October 14) 
Robbie Robertson, J. Jonah Jameson 
GREEN GOBLIN #12 (page 6, panel 1-page 7, panel 1)/AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #415 (page 6, panel 7-page 7, panel 3) 
(same day as ASM 415 pg. 6, pn. 6; must be Monday, October 14) 
Robbie Robertson, J. Jonah Jameson, Sentinel 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #415 (pages 8-14) 
(same day as GG 12 pg. 6-7; must be Monday, October 14) 
Spider-Man, Spider-Man II, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, Sentinel 
GREEN GOBLIN #12 (page 7, panel 2-page 12, panel 5) 
(same day as ASM 415 pg. 8-14; must be Monday, October 14) 
Green Goblin IV, Sentinels 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #415 (pages 15-16) 
(same day as GG 12 pg. 7-12; must be Monday, October 14) 
Green Goblin IV, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, Sentinel 
GREEN GOBLIN #12 (page 12, panel 6-page 22, panel 3) 
(same day as ASM 415 pg. 15-16; must be Monday, October 14) 
Green Goblin IV, Sentinel 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #415 (pages 17-22) 
(same day as GG 12, pg. 12-22; must be Monday, October 14) 
Spider-Man, Sentinel, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, Spider-Man II, Mary Jane Watson-Parker 
SPIDER-MAN #72 
(same day as ASM 415 pg. 17-22; must be Monday, October 14) 
Spider-Man, Spider-Man II, Sentinels 
FANTASTIC FOUR #416 (flashback) 
(same day as SM 72; Scott Lang's appearance here is unexplained, since he should be incapacitated from the EMP; must be Monday, October 14) 
Spider-Man, Ant-Man II, Human Torch II, Thor, Archangel, Mr. Fantastic, Sentinel 
INCREDIBLE HULK II #445 (beginning) 
(same day as UX 336; during the "year" after IH 420; must be Monday, October 14) 
Hulk, Rick Jones, Quicksilver, Thor, Iron Man, Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Crystal, Vision, Falcon, Captain America, Iceman, Gambit, Janis, Atalanta, Paris, Onslaught, Betty Banner, Cyclops, Mr. Fantastic 
X-MAN #19 
(same day as IH 445; full moon; must be Monday, October 14) 
Nate Grey, Mr. Sinister, Sentinels, Threnody, Arclight, Scalphunter, Tattletale, Onslaught 
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #238 
(same day as SM 72; "four days" after SSM 238 1st FB; three days after SSM 238 3rd FB; "months" after SSM 238 4th FB; must be Monday, October 14) 
Spider-Man, Lizard, Lizard II 
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #239 (beginning) 
(same night as SSM 238; must be Monday, October 14) 
Spider-Man, Lizard, Lizard II, 
FANTASTIC FOUR #416 (beginning) 
(same day as FF 416 FB; before XMII 56; must be Monday, October 14) 
Dr. Doom 
IRON MAN #332 
(same night as IH 445; full moon; must be Monday, October 14) 
Iron Man V, Sentinels, Dr. Pym, Quicksilver, Black Panther, Taku 
AVENGERS #402 
(same night as IM 332; between IH 445 beg and end; must be Monday, October 14) 
Thor, Captain America, Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow II, Iron Man V, Quicksilver, Dr. Pym, Holocaust, Post, Onslaught 
X-MEN II #56 
(same night as Av 402 and FF 416 beg; must be Monday, October 14) 
Rogue, Joseph, Dr. Doom, Captain America, Sentinels, Onslaught, Nate Grey, Professor X, Dr. Pym, Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic, Phoenix IV, Cyclops, Tattletale 
WOLVERINE II #105 
(same night as XMII 56; must be Monday, October 14) 
Wolverine, Stick, Human Torch II 
INCREDIBLE HULK II #445 (end) 
(same night as Av 402; must be Monday, October 14) 
Hulk, Vision, Hawkeye, Crystal, Falcon, Captain America, Mr. Fantastic, Cyclops 
FANTASTIC FOUR #416 (end) 
(same night as IH 445 end and XMII 56; must be Monday, October 14) 
Vision, Thing, Crystal, Beast, Human Torch II, Ant-Man II, Invisible Woman, Bishop, Mr. Fantastic, Warlord, Tattletale, Onslaught, Iceman, Hawkeye, Lyja, Alicia Masters, Puppet Master, Dr. Doom II, Karnak, Gorgon, Black Bolt, Medusa, Sub-Mariner, Black Panther, Huntara, Devlor, Vibraxas, She-Hulk, Dr. Doom, Agatha Harkness 
THOR #502 
(same night as Av 402; it can't be "three days" after UX 336; must be Monday, October 14) 
Thor, Thor III, Odin, Enchantress, Pyllar, Mroht, Hela 
ONSLAUGHT: MARVEL UNIVERSE #1 (beginning) 
(same night as FF 416 end, Wolv 105, and MT 502; according to UX 341, this story occurs "two weeks" before XF 130, which occurs the night before election day; full moon; must be Monday, October 14) 
Watcher, Onslaught, Professor X, Rogue, Phoenix IV, Storm, Bishop, Gambit, Cyclops, Cable, Wolverine, Joseph, Thor, Thing, Dr. Doom, Wasp, Captain America, Hulk, Crystal, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Pym, Human Torch II, Sub-Mariner, Quicksilver, Black Panther, Iron Man V, Black Widow II, Mr. Fantastic, Tattletale, Nate Grey, Iceman, Vision, Falcon, Invisible Woman 
THUNDERBOLTS #2 (flashback within 2nd flashback) 
(same night as OMU 1 beg; must be Monday, October 14) 
Onslaught, Mr. Fantastic, Hulk, Captain America 
ONSLAUGHT: MARVEL UNIVERSE #1 (middle) 
(same night as TB 2 FB w/in 2nd FB; a few months before ASM 430; must be Monday, October 14) 
Watcher, Onslaught, Professor X, Rogue, Phoenix IV, Storm, Bishop, Gambit, Cyclops, Cable, Wolverine, Joseph, Thor, Thing, Dr. Doom, Wasp, Captain America, Hulk, Crystal, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Pym, Human Torch II, Sub-Mariner, Quicksilver, Black Panther, Iron Man V, Black Widow II, Mr. Fantastic, Tattletale, Nate Grey, Iceman, Vision, Falcon, Invisible Woman, Foggy Nelson, Jarvis, Robbie Robertson, J. Jonah Jameson, Trish Tilby, Apocalypse 
QUICKSILVER #7 (2nd flashback: beginning) 
(same day as OMU 1 mid; must be Monday, October 14) 
Quicksilver, Professor X, Tattletale 
ONSLAUGHT: MARVEL UNIVERSE #1 (end) 
(same day as QS 7 2nd FB beg; must be Monday, October 14) 
Professor X, Nate Grey, Watcher, Apocalypse 
THUNDERBOLTS 97 (flashback: pages 21-26) 
(same night as OMU 1 end; must be Monday, October 14) 
Baron Zemo II, Fixer II, Goliath III, Screaming Mimi, Beetle 
TALES OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE #1 (beginning) 
(same night as OMU 1 end; must be Monday, October 14) 
Ka-Zar, Shanna, Zabu, W'Kandro 
THUNDERBOLTS #33 (flashback: page 4, panel 2-page 5, panel 6) 
(same night as OMU 1 end and TB 33 Fb pg. 2, pn. 2-8; Hallies fifteenth birthday; must be Monday, October 14) 
Jolt, Sentinels 
THUNDERBOLTS #33 (flashback: page 7, panels 2-6) 
(same night as TB 33 FB pg. 4-5; must be Monday, October 14) 
Jolt, Spider-Man, Sentinels 
CABLE II #36 
(early morning after OMU 1 end; must be before XForce 59; full moon; must be Tuesday, October 15) 
Tattletale, Warlord, Cable, Cannonball, Domino II, Caliban, Storm 
X-MAN #20 
(morning after OMU 1 end; must be before Ab 2; months before XMan 33; must be Tuesday, October 15) 
Nate Grey, Threnody, Abomination, Black Queen II, Madelyne Pryor, Trevor Fitzroy, Roust?, Joust?, Jackknife? 
INCREDIBLE HULK II #446 
(must be morning after OMU 1 end; must be Tuesday, October 15) 
Hulk, Janis II, Paris, Atalanta, Ajax 
EXCALIBUR #102 
(morning after OMU 1 end; must be Tuesday, October 15) 
Nightcrawler, Moira MacTaggert, Pete Wisdom, Shadowcat, Captain Britain, Meggan, Spoor, Douglock, Colossus, Magik II, Wolfsbane, Lockheed 
UNCANNY X-MEN #337 
(same rainy morning as CableII 36; must be Tuesday, October 15) 
Wolverine, Professor X, Bastion, Graydon Creed, Spider-Man II, Robbie Robertson, J. Jonah Jameson, Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Phoenix IV, Quicksilver, Psylocke, Gambit, Bishop, (Cannonball), (Archangel), (Rogue), (Joseph), (Luna) 
SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #239 (end) 
(day after SSM 239 beg; must be Tuesday, October 15) 
Spider-Man, Lizard 
GENERATION X #20 
(perhaps same day as CableII 36; must be before TOTMU 1 mid; green grass and trees and barbecue weather in Massachusetts; perhaps Tuesday, October 15) 
Leech, Artie Maddicks, Synch, Jubilee, Banshee, White Queen, Husk, Nightmare, Mondo, Skin, Chamber, Penance, M, Warlord, Tattletale, Howard the Duck, Bastion, Daria 
X-MAN #21 
(probably same day as XMan 20; full moon; warm weather; green trees and trees turning color; perhaps Tuesday, October 15) 
Nate Grey, Threnody, Madelyne Pryor, Trevor Fitzroy, Sage, Black King, Black Queen 
THUNDERBOLTS #33 (flashback: page 8, panels 2-3) 
(probably day after TB 33 FB pg. 7, pn. 2-6; probably Tuesday, October 15) 
Jolt 
X-MEN UNLIMITED #13 (1st story) 
(one day; shortly after XFC '96; the Surfer is not on earth, so this story may occur before SSIII 123, and if this story occurs before SSIII 123, then it must occur between UX 337 and XMan 22, and thus probably Tuesday or Wednesday, October 15 or 16) 
Phoenix IV, Binary, Cyclops, Beast, Rogue, Bishop, Commander K'llace, Deathbird, Lilandra, Silver Surfer 
SILVER SURFER III #123 
(same day as XMU 13 1st; weeks before SSIII 125 1st; green grass and trees in the American Northwest; probably Tuesday or Wednesday, October 15 or 16) 
Silver Surfer, Bastion, Binary, Rogue, Cyclops, Beast, Phoenix IV, Bishop, Ganger, Sorentino, Bounty 
GENERATION X #21 
(probably day after GX 20; must be before GX '96; mid-term exam at Xavier's School; before SMTU 5 2nd; probably Wednesday, October 16) 
Jubilee, Beast, M, Husk, Synch, Mondo, Penance, Skin, Chamber, Howard the Duck, White Queen, Banshee, Leech 
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN #9 
(must be day after UX 337 and SSM 239 end; Mary Jane is "eight months pregnant"; "Wednesday, October 16") 
Spider-Man, Swarm, Spider-Man II, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, Jimmy Six 
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN #10 
(same night as SeSM 9; must be Wednesday, October 16) 
Spider-Man, Swarm, Spider-Man II, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, J. Jonah Jameson, Cyclops, Phoenix IV, (Foggy Nelson) 
X-MAN #22 
(night of the day after XMan 21; must be after XMU 13 1st; Norrin Radd is "newly returned to earth," so this story must occur around the time of SSIII 123; full moon; perhaps Wednesday, October 16) 
Nate Grey, Threnody, Bastion, Daria, Sebastian Shaw, Sage, Selene, Trevor Fitzroy, Madelyne Pryor, Bishop 
SILVER SURFER III #124 
(probably day after SSIII 123; probably Wednesday or Thursday, October 16 or 17) 
Silver Surfer, Namorita, Bounty, Rodor, Tinac 
INCREDIBLE HULK II #447 
(one rainy morning; "nearly two days" after IH 446; before IHHU 1; full moon; perhaps Thursday, October 17) 
Hulk, Betty Banner, Henry Peter Gyrich, Janis, Jason, Paris 
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #416 
(must be day after SeSM 10; this story cannot take place "less than twenty-four hours" after OMU 1, since it takes place after SeSM 9; probably before XMII 57; shortly after OJ 1 FB pg. 29, pn. 1; green grass and trees; must be Thursday, October 17) 
Spider-Man, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, Rose, Delilah, Scrier, Jimmy Six, Spider-Man II, Gaunt, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, Chakra, Judas Traveller, xxxx, xxxx 
GENERATION X '96 
(probably day after GX 21; shortly after UX 337; probably before XMII 57, since Sean wants to report this incident to Xavier, which would only be possible before his being taken into custody; probably Thursday, October 17) 
Mondo, M, Jubilee, Synch, Skin, Husk, Banshee, Andrea Von Strucker, Andreas Von Strucker, (Chamber), (White Queen) 
X-MAN #23 (including flashback) 
(day after XMan 22; perhaps Thursday, October 17) 
Nate Grey, Threnody, Madelyne Pryor, Scribe, Trevor Fitzroy, Selene, Bishop, Rogue 
X-MAN '96 (1st story) 
(same day as XMan 23; "a few months" after XMan 8; the last page of this story may actually occur some time after the rest of the story; perhaps Thursday, October 17) 
Nate Grey, Sugarman 
THUNDERBOLTS 97 (flashback: page 27) 
(one day; days after TB97 FB pg. 21-26; perhaps Thursday, October 17) 
Beetle, Goliath III, Baron Zemo II 
X-MEN II #57 
(one day; within a "few days" after OMU 1; must be before Wolv 106 -- a few weeks before Wolv 111; probably after GX'96 and ASM 416; a few months before UX 346 and 356; chronological analysis suggests that this story occurs after XMan 23; green grass and trees; perhaps Friday, October 18) 
Professor X, Cyclops, Valerie Cooper, Wolverine, Cannonball, Iceman, Bishop, Storm, Beast, Trish Tilby, Phoenix IV, Graydon Creed, J. Jonah Jameson, Bastion, Joseph, Quicksilver, Psylocke, (Archangel), (Sentinel) 
X-MEN '96 (flashback) 
(same day as XMII 57; perhaps Friday, October 18) 
Sentinel 
UNCANNY X-MEN #338 
(same day as XMII 57; after DD 355; perhaps Friday, October 18) 
Archangel, Ozymandias, Storm, Quicksilver, Wolverine, Beast, Phoenix IV, Joseph, Cyclops, Gambit, Psylocke, Pyro, Graydon Creed, J. Jonah Jameson, Iceman, Cannonball, (Avalanche)
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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 01:11 pm    
By JimC

Thanks Paul. Awesome!!

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Thread 39

Posted: 25 Jul 2006 08:57 pm    Post subject: Marvel Calendar: Year 20
By JimC

I noticed a few issues missing, Paul. Did you leave these out intentionally, or perhaps, just overlooked them. 
Iron Man v3 #36 
Thor Annual 2000 
Captain Marvel v5 #14-16 
If you missed them, where would you place them? 
Thanks.

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Thread 40

Posted: 25 Jul 2006 09:12 pm    Post subject: Ultraverse
By JimC

Utraforce Infinity has Malibu's versions of: 
Thor -God of the Storm 
Quicksilver 
Janet Van Dyne -formerly Wasp -now Black Widow 
Alec Swan -Black Knight (bio-chemically altered supersoldier) 
I did not find any MCP listings for these characters. Does anyone have an appearance list for any of these?

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 09:36 pm    
By Mikhail

That's because those are the only appearances ever for those characters. Like House of M or Age of Apocalypse, but only in one issue.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 10:51 pm    
By JLH

Mikhail wrote: 
That's because those are the only appearances ever for those characters. Like House of M or Age of Apocalypse, but only in one issue. 


Technically, they all first appeared in "Ultraforce/Avengers", so it's their second appearances. 

Now, a book that needs to be entered? "Black September: Infinity". Where most of the Infinity Gems become LIVING HUMANOID BEINGS... and are promptly never seen nor mentioned again in the Ultra books...

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Thread 41

Posted: 25 Jul 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Spider-Man first chronological appearance
By wolframbane

In Untold Tales of Spider-Man #-1, Logan is present when Richard and Mary Parker find out that she is pregnant with Peter. This could be the earliest chronological placement for him (BTS). His early chronology should be: 

UTSM -1 BTS 
PPTSS 225/2-FB 
ASM@ 5 (11:2 - 11:3)-FB-FB 
SM:PL (1)

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 01:16 pm    
By John Simons

This has actually come up before. IIRC, Russ is reluctant to list the appearence of unborn characters. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm misremembering, but I think he wants to avoid the suggestion that his website was taking a position in the pro-life/pro-choice debate. 

But yeah, if the MCP were to add such listings, there are plenty of characters it would affect, such as Sue Richards' and the Scarlet Witch's children.
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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 01:18 pm    
By Somebody

John Simons wrote: 
>>>
This has actually come up before. IIRC, Russ is reluctant to list the appearence of unborn characters. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm misremembering, but I think he wants to avoid the suggestion that his website was taking a position in the pro-life/pro-choice debate. 
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Devil's Advocate - doesn't deliberately excluding them effectively amount to "taking a position" too? Damned if you do, damned if you don't 

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 01:49 pm    
By Mikhail

Not to mention a BTS for Cable for every Madelyne Pryor appearance from X-Men/AF through UXM #200.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 02:12 pm    
By jephyork
Director

It HAS come up before, and I think we eventually all decided that unborn appearances should amount to a BTS. It seems to me that if we list appearances of characters' dead bodies, then listing appearances of them in a fetal state can't be immediately equated to an acknowledgment on our part that they're living beings. Even if we WERE trying to be that P.C.  

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 05:08 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Dead bodies are an actual appearance. 

A better analogy would be: "We don't list a behind the scenes appearance of a body, every time a gravesite is shown, so it makes no better sense to list a fetus that's behind a wall of flesh." 

Taking another tack, the Official Marvel Index doesn't treat unborn babies as behind the scenes appearances, so perhaps we should defer to them. 


watching: situation room

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 10:55 pm    
By JLH

This topic warrants a recalling of a similar one (which, in turn, has me linking to yet another earlier one): 
http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=2157 

Seriously, if MCP can't get Spidey's first chronological appearance right, Marvel's biggest icon, it doesn't look too well upon it, does it?

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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 03:22 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

My attitude is that the unborn child isn't visible on panel, nor is it acting to influence the other characters. Therefore it doesn't qualify for a listing, and you don't need to get into any philosophical debate about the precise status of a foetus.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 05:42 am    
By Somebody

So, to pick two examples, MJ announcing she was pregnant in SpecSM 220, or collapsing into labour in SensSM 11 doesn't involve the unborn child affecting other characters?

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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 07:08 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Sorry, but that's not what Paul said. 

Every time Spider-Man leaps into action after asking himself "What would Uncle Ben want me to do?", that's a case of Ben "affecting other characters", but Ben doesn't receive a bts listing. 


watching: american morning

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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 07:22 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Precisely. In those examples, the character is not influenced by anything the unborn child DOES. They're simply motivated by the fact that the child exists, ie the presence of a certain state of affairs. 

Put another way, the MCP tracks characters who actually appear on panel, and characters who don't appear visually but who act to influence the story. An unborn child is not ACTING to influence the story. It plays no active part in the plot.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 10:43 pm    
By jephyork
Director

What if it kicks? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 10:54 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't qualify. 


watching: cops

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Thread 42

Posted: 27 Jul 2006 06:31 pm    Post subject: M/H&L '97 and JIM 116 questions
By Alpha Trion

Magneto, Aunt May, and Mary Jane all appear in M/H&L '97, but the issue doesn't appear in their listings. I can understand Magneto, because I don't think he could've returned to Earth yet, but I'm curious as to why the other two don't have it in their chronologies. 

As for JIM 116, Daredevil is listed as appearing there before he cameos in UX 13, but at the time of his appearance in JIM Wanda and Pietro were already at Avengers Mansion, and UX 13 occurs on the same day they quit the Brotherhood, so I don't think that can be right.

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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 09:36 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
>>>
and UX 13 occurs on the same day they quit the Brotherhood 
<<<

Pietro and Wanda quit the Brotherhood in UX 11.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 09:57 pm    
By Alpha Trion

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
>>>
Quote: 
>>>
and UX 13 occurs on the same day they quit the Brotherhood 
<<<

Pietro and Wanda quit the Brotherhood in UX 11. 
<<<

Yes, but there's no gaps between the issues. In UX 11, the X-Men return home after fighting the Brotherhood and watching Magneto and Toad get abducted. Scott and Xavier are removing their names from Cerebro when the device goes berserk because the Juggernaut is coming towards them (though it shouldn't have detected him at all, not being a mutant, but I digress). UX 12 opens with the other X-Men running into the room because of the alarm, and ends with Juggernaut's arrival, which leads directly into UX 13. I can't see anything to suggest a large enough gap for Wanda and Pietro to move to Europe and then back to New York. 

Come to think of it, the same problem applies to Human Torch; JIM 116 (which occurs after Captain America and Rick Jones returned from South America, and therefore after Wanda and Pietro arrived, but before Tony, Hank, and Jan left) is definitely before FF 39. The MCP has Johnny appearing in UX 13 between FF 43 and FF@ 3.

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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 05:53 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
>>>
Yes, but there's no gaps between the issues.  
<<<

Not between the issues, no. But there is a gap between panels 1 and 2 on page 20 of UX 11. It's not apparent from the comic itself, but Marvel created the gap when putting together the Official Marvel Index to the X-Men, vol. 1: 

"...chronological analysis indicates that about ten days pass between panels 1 and 2 page 20 of this story, to allow for the Avengers lineup to change in AVENGERS #16, which occurs at about the same time as the Thor story in JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #116 and just before the battle of the Baxter Building in FANTASTIC FOUR #39." 

If you're interested in chronologies for this period, I highly recommend the Marvel Indexes. The MCP is based in part on these publications.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 02:06 pm    
By Alpha Trion

Thanks for the explanation. I've been reading silver age stories using the MCP to put together a reading order, and this was the first bit of confusion I came upon. I'll have to look into obtaining indexes for myself.

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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 04:49 pm    
By Jason Doty

Even though we base stuff on the indexes, we should adjust when later information comes out. The original gap was placed to accomidate Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in Avengers, but is now unnecessary because Marvels has established that their joining was closer to UX 14 and FF@3.

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Thread 43

Posted: 28 Jul 2006 08:37 pm    Post subject: Daredevil vol. 2 #87 [Spoilers]
By Ant-Man

Well the latest issue of Daredevil revealed that Danny Rand has been the Daredevil operating in Hell's Kitchen while Matt was spending time in prison. Has anyone been tracking appearances by "DannyDevil" pending the identity reveal? I've missed several issues of DD2, and I was hoping to note any other appearances that I missed for Iron Fist that I might need to track down.
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Thread 44

Posted: 27 Jul 2006 05:17 pm    Post subject: Black Panther #18 wedding guests
By Paul O'Brien
Director

May as well see if we can pin down all the cameos in this. I'm ignoring the book's regular cast. 

Page 1: Reginald Hudlin plugs his own TV station. 

Page 2: Luke Cage, Spider-Man, Mr Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Captain America, Triton, Sentry, Lockheed, and some of the X-Men (Kitty, Emma, Cyclops, Colossus and Wolverine). There's also a guy in a high collar with glasses and a goatee in panel two. 

Page 3: Namor, Karnak, Black Bolt, Doctor Strange, Blade, Brother Voodoo, Goliath, Iron Fist, Isaiah Bradley, Falcon, Shang-Chi, Monica Rambeau, Cage and Wolverine. Plus a weird-looking guy in panel one - Humbug from the new Heroes for Hire team? 

Pages 4-7: Professor X. 

Page 8: Captain America and Iron Man. 

Page 9: Doctor Strange, Brother Voodoo, Blade, Uatu the Watcher, Hercules, Thing, Mr Fantastic and Sentry. 

Pages 10-13: Captain America and Iron Man. 

Page 14: George Bush, Fidel Castro and Nelson Mandela. Get the feeling they're over-selling this? 

Page 15: The She-Hulk, the Juggernaut, Isaiah Bradley, Black Bolt and Namor. There's a guy with a lightning-flash mask at the left edge of panel one, and somebdy in the background of the same panel who's presumably Deadpool. 

Page 16: Kitty Pryde and Lockheed 

Page 17: Uatu the Watcher. 

Page 18: Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, their baby, Cyclops, Wolverine, Profesor X, Triton, Karnak, Black Bolt, and a guy wearing a odd harness/spikey shoulder plate thing. Not Mahkizmo, surely...? 

Page 19: Nightcrawler and Wolverine 

Pages 20-25: n/a 

Page 26: Falcon, Hercules, She-Hulk, Blade, Juggernaut, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Cyclops, Thing, Medusa, Dr Strange, Brother Voodoo, and assorted people in the background I can't make out. Oh, and the harness guy again. 

Page 27: Doctor Strange, Brother Voodoo, Iron Fist, Psylocke (?), Shang-Chi, Mr Fantastic, Thing, Captain Britain, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Karnak, Professor X, Spider-Man and the Man-Ape 

Page 28: Spider-Man, the Man-Ape, Hercules, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones 

Pages 29: Doctor Doom, and bizarrely, a BTS appearance for Dirk Anger from NEXTWAVE, who's sent them a present.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 09:09 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
>>>
and a guy wearing a odd harness/spikey shoulder plate thing. Not Mahkizmo, surely...?  
<<<

That's Gorgon of the Inhumans. 


Quote: 
>>>
Psylocke (?) 
<<<

It sure seems to be Betsy, and if it is, that would place XCAL4 8 after this. In XCAL4 8, Betsy talks to Brian about the fate of brother Jamie in UX 474. And, of course, UX 474 occurs before BP4 18 in Ororo's chronology. So I suppose Betsy and Brian didn't have a chance to touch base at the wedding, although they do seem to be in close proximity to each other on page 27. 


Quote: 
>>>
Page 27: Doctor Strange, Brother Voodoo, Iron Fist, Psylocke (?), Shang-Chi, Mr Fantastic, Thing, Captain Britain, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Karnak, Professor X, Spider-Man and the Man-Ape 
<<<

Hey! Is that the Owl behind Xavier???
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Posted: 29 Jul 2006 08:29 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
>>>
Page 26: Falcon, Hercules, She-Hulk, Blade, Juggernaut, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Cyclops, Thing, Medusa, Dr Strange, Brother Voodoo, and assorted people in the background I can't make out. Oh, and the harness guy again. 
<<<

Gorgon, Black Bolt, and Goliath are in that crowd scene on panel 1. 


Funny how a certain someone chose to go the wedding as himself and not as the new DD. 

Among those not seen in this issue: Ms. Marvel, a friend of the X-Men...and a bunch of other X-Men themselves! Where are Havok, Iceman, Angel, Beast, Rogue, Cable, Dazzler, Marvel Girl, Sage? Shouldn't we expect to see those folks here? (I theorize that Polaris has an excuse, as does Gambit.)
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Posted: 30 Jul 2006 03:46 am    
By loki

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
>>>
Funny how a certain someone chose to go the wedding as himself and not as the new DD. 
<<<

If he went as DD, he'd be risking one of the pro-side coming up to chat to him at the wedding, and recognising him. It's one thing not to recognise someone you know under a mask during a fight, it's another not to recognise them when you are having a prolonged conversation with them.

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Thread 45

Posted: 30 Jul 2006 09:53 am    Post subject: New notations
By ADMINISTRATOR

I've added two new notations: 

OP: Off-Panel 

and 

VO: Voice-Over 

See the Key for a few more details. 


watching: news

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Thread 46

Posted: 03 Jun 2006 02:23 pm    Post subject: Another call for analyses
By Paul Bourcier
Director

It's that time again. There are a number of completed story arcs for which folks have volunteered analyses, and a few that have had no takers. Also, some new things coming up in the future that I wanted to get on the radar. These are story arcs I don't plan to collect: 

Completed stories (as of 6/30/06, according to Previews) 
Amazing Fantasy v3 #16-20 (Kevin) 
Annihilation: Prologue (JLH) 
Books of Doom #1-6 (Eric) 
Daredevil: Father #6 (Kevin) 
Daughters of the Dragon #1-6 
Doc Samson v2 #1-5 
Incredible Hulk v3 #92-95 (Kevin) 
Marvel Westerns: Two-Gun Kid (Sean K.) 
Nick Furys Howling Commandos #1-6 (Russ) 
Punisher v7 #25-30 (Col_Fury) 
Punisher: The Tyger (JLH) 
Reading to the Rescue #4 
Sentinel v2 #1-5 (JD) 
Thor: Son of Asgard #7-12 (John) 
Underworld #1-5 

Future stuff 
Agents of Atlas #1-6 (Eric) 
Annihilation #1-6 (JLH) 
Annihilation: Nova #1-4 (JLH) 
Annihilation: Ronan #1-4 (JLH) 
Annihilation: Silver Surfer #1-4 (JLH) 
Annihilation: Super Skrull #1-4 (JLH) 
Blade v? #1-? 
Claws #1-3 
Daredevil v2 #82-87 (Kevin) 
Daredevil v2 #88 
Daredevil v2 #89-93 
Eternals v2 #1-6 (Eric) 
Fantastic Four: First Family #1-6 (Sean K.) 
Fury: Peacemaker #1-6 (Col_Fury) 
Franklin Richards: Son of a Genius Super Summer Spectacular 
Ghost Rider v4 #1-6 (JLH) 
Incredible Hulk v3 #96-99 (Kevin) 
Marvel Westerns: Strange Westerns Featuring the Black Rider (Eric) 
Moon Knight v? #1-6 (Joe) 
Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E. #1-12 (Chris) 
Punisher v7 #31-36 
Punisher v7 #37-38 
Punisher War Journal v2 #1-3 
Runaways v2 #14-18 (JD) 
Runaways v2 #19-21 (JD) 
Spider-Man Family: Amazing Friends 
Stan Lee Meets Dr. Strange 
Stan Lee Meets Spider-Man 
Storm v2 #1-6 (Col_Fury) 
Union Jack v2 #1-4 
Wolverine: Origins #1-5 
Wolverine: Origins #6-10 
Zombie #1-4 

If I messed any assignments up or mistakenly left something in that's been done, please let me know. And if anyone wants to know what my collecting plans are, drop me a line. 

Any help that people can provide would be greatly appreciated. As always, thanks to all who post on this forum! 
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Posted: 03 Jun 2006 04:28 pm    
By Somebody

I'll take Apoc/Drac preliminarily, although I'll probably need help fitting it into Dracula's chronology.

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Posted: 03 Jun 2006 04:51 pm    
By JLH

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Annihilation #1-6 
Ghost Rider v4 #1-6 
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Might as well sign me up for those, since they go part and parcel with the stuff I've been doing prior.

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Posted: 04 Jun 2006 03:41 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Thanks, Somebody and JLH. I've updated the call. 
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Posted: 04 Jun 2006 04:56 pm    
By Eric J. Lawrence

Books of Doom #1-6 
Agents of Atlas #1-6 
Marvel Westerns: Strange Westerns Featuring the Black Rider 
Eternals v2 #1-6 

I'll give these a shot. I have all 6 of the BOD already, so I'll work on those this week. 
For the others, is it cool to wait until the series are finished, or is it superior to do issues piecemeal? 

Eric J. Lawrence

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Posted: 04 Jun 2006 11:26 pm    
By JD

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Runaways v2 #19-21 
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I'll do it. 
Are you interested in an analysis of X-Men/Runaways, by the way ?

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Posted: 05 Jun 2006 06:08 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Eric J. Lawrence wrote: 
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I'll give these a shot. I have all 6 of the BOD already, so I'll work on those this week. For the others, is it cool to wait until the series are finished, or is it superior to do issues piecemeal?  
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Thank you for volunteering, Eric. It's actually better to wait until a story arc is completed so you have the perspective of the entire story when doing the write-ups for each issue (e.g. mysterious figures whose identities are revealed in a later issue). 


JD wrote: 
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I'll do it. Are you interested in an analysis of X-Men/Runaways, by the way? 
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Great. Thanks, JD. I've already added X-Men/Runaways to the newest draft calendar and also plan to collect Civil War: Young Avengers/ Runaways.
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Posted: 05 Jun 2006 07:22 am
By ADMINISITRATOR

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Great. Thanks, JD. I've already added X-Men/Runaways to the newest draft calendar and also plan to collect Civil War: Young Avengers/ Runaways. 
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But the rest of us would be interested. 


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Posted: 06 Jun 2006 09:53 am    
By jephyork
Director

I thought we decided (grudgingly on my part) that the various Power Pack minis were non-canon. If so, you can remove "Avengers and Power Pack Assembled" from your list... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 08 Jun 2006 11:02 am    
By jannepie

Also, would Spider-Man Family: Amazing Friends be canonical? Isn't that based on some old cartoon?

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Posted: 08 Jun 2006 11:31 am    
By Somebody

No, it's canon (but not present-day). Apparantly, it's intended to be the first Firestar/Spidey/Iceman first in-canon team-up. 

Quote: 
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http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72790 
NRAMA: Now that you're in continuity ... 

SM: I've tried to be careful about where I'm setting it in terms of continuity so that it's someplace that makes sense for all of them to meet up. 

NRAMA: ... at what point is it taking place? 

SM: In publishing terms, it's in the early '90s. Right around '91. 

NRAMA: So this takes place in the past. 

SM: Yeah. Right. It's in past continuity. 

Spidey's living in his Soho apartment with Mary Jane, married. Firestar's in the New Warriors and Iceman's back with the X-Men after being in X-Factor. 
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Posted: 08 Jun 2006 01:35 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I haven't read BOOK OF LOST SOULS, but since it's a creator-owned book under the Icon imprint, I'd say it's a 99.9% certainty that it's out of continuity. 

AVENGERS & POWER PACK ASSEMBLE is a sequel to the earlier Power Pack miniseries, which I think we've now clearly established are non-canon. 

The canonicity of NEXTWAVE is up in the air at this point, and the STORM miniseries is a massive retcon of the sort of that the MCP generally ignores; from Marvel's perspective, it would appear to completely supersede MTU 100/2 as the first meeting of the Black Panther and Storm.
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Posted: 08 Jun 2006 03:22 pm    
By Somebody

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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The STORM miniseries is a massive retcon of the sort of that the MCP generally ignores; from Marvel's perspective, it would appear to completely supersede MTU 100/2 as the first meeting of the Black Panther and Storm. 
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If the original's a short, fairly obscure, backup, and not (to pick the most infamous example) Amazing Fantasy #15 vs Chapter One, shouldn't it at least be considered? [I say this having read neither]

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Posted: 08 Jun 2006 07:57 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Somebody wrote: 
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If the original's a short, fairly obscure, backup, and not (to pick the most infamous example) Amazing Fantasy #15 vs Chapter One, shouldn't it at least be considered? [I say this having read neither] 
<<<

Seeing as how that's an awful lot of disclaimers to put on a policy, I'd tend to say no. In the absence of a definitive statement from Marvel, telling us which story is not canon, the standard practice here is to treat the historical (read: earlier) story as canon. 


watching: suite life of zach & cody

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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 06:47 am  
By Paul Bourcier
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I updated the call again, deleting a couple and adding a few. Storm's still on the list, if only to spark a discussion about how much of a retcon it is. Nextwave is still there too, pending a final decision about its canonicity.
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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 05:52 pm    
By Col_Fury

I'm still working on an analysis for Storm, but I probably won't comment on it until it's finished. 

And Spider-Woman: Origin has been finished.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2006 07:54 am    
By lkseitz

Somebody wrote: 
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jannepie wrote: 
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Also, would Spider-Man Family: Amazing Friends be canonical? Isn't that based on some old cartoon? 
<<<

No, it's canon (but not present-day). Apparantly, it's intended to be the first Firestar/Spidey/Iceman first in-canon team-up. 
<<<

I did a check through the MCP once. I thought I had found that all three of them have never appeared together. Looking at it again, it seems they've been appeared in the same issues of INFINITY WAR and INFINITY CRUSADE, although that doesn't mean they actually met there. Anyway, it seems that, suprisingly, a story specifically starring just the three of them hasn't been done in all this time. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
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Posted: 10 Jun 2006 10:53 am    
By Somebody

Well, McKeever said that Firestar and Iceman had a near-miss in Web of Spidey #75, but I agree, it's surprising...

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Posted: 11 Jun 2006 12:52 am    
By JLH

I seem to recall Ms Lyon, the dog from SM&HAF, popping up in the comics at least once. Either that or I'm completely insane now. 

Speaking of anniversaries, this year will be the 12th one of the start of the 90s Spider-Man toon. Not a spectacular number to commemorate, but it'd give Joey da Q the chance to send MJ into an endless portal permamently, never to return.

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Posted: 18 Jun 2006 04:50 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

Okay, Paul: First, an apology. I've been VERY busy these last few months with all sorts of events happening in my personal life, and haven't had as much time to focus on my analysis of comics for the Calender. But I hope to find some time over the next few weeks and get caught up. In fact, I hope to have my analysis of Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her up later tonight...though I'm starting to wonder if it's out of continuity... 

Anyway, with my life being as crazy as it is right now, I'm unfortunately not going to sign up to do analysis for any further comic books at this time...and I'd like to request some help from anybody willing to volunteer. I'm still willing to do all analysis for the Daredevil and Hulk books, but something's got to give if I'm going to ever get caught up...and so, if anyone out there is willing to take over analysis for the Punisher MAX book, then I'm all for it. Now if no one else wants to do it, I still can...it's just going to be a while before I get around to it...(at the rate I'm going, that is). 

Like I said, I hope to have Black Widow done tonight, and Amazing Fantasy #16-20 won't take long at all....and then it's back on track with Daredevil and Hulk. And maybe after I get caught up with all that, I'll take on other analysis...wait and see, I guess.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2006 06:05 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Don't sweat it, Kevin. I think we all understand how hobbies like this get sidelined because of other things going on. Any contribution you can make is greatly appreciated.  

Anyone want to take on Punisher analyses?
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Posted: 21 Jun 2006 01:22 pm    
By Joe Elder

Hey guys. I'm new here, but I am collecting the latest Moon Knight line. I saw that you didn't have anyone to do the analysis of that series. I am willing to volunteer to do it if that's cool. Just let me know.

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Posted: 21 Jun 2006 04:23 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Welcome aboard, Joe. You don't need to wait for our approval to provide an analysis. Go for it. 


watching: lou dobbs

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Posted: 21 Jun 2006 10:28 pm    
By Col_Fury

Give me some time, and I can grab Punisher 25-30. Don't put me down for the following arc just yet, let's see how this one goes first. 

So far, Fury: Peacemaker has been set entirely during World War II. If there's no 'current day' bits in #6, I think I'll hold off on posting my analysis on that until I get a few other things tied off. If there is, I'll just do the 'current day' for the time being. 

But don't worry: I will eventually get the entire mini posted eventually. 
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Posted: 22 Jun 2006 06:09 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Thanks for volunteering, Joe and Col_Fury. I've updated the call accordingly. I also added this week's Hulk Annual to the list. I was interested only in the Champions story but couldn't see shelling out $5 for it.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2006 06:50 am    
By Frederic Krier

Hi, 
I can do the Hulk Annual, which I'll get in a few days (hopefully the last issue of Ares as well). 

Frederic

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Posted: 22 Jun 2006 07:21 am    
By Kevin W.
Director

Wait, do you mean this week's "Giant Size Hulk #1"? You've already got it on your list, Paul, under "Future Stuff"...which I volunteered for previously. 

Quote: 
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Giant-Size Hulk #1 (Kevin)  
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That being said, if Frederic wants to do the analysis, go right ahead. I'm still behind, and with that being handled by someone else, I can focus on getting the other titles I've volunteered for caught up.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2006 09:14 am    
By JD

Frederic Krier wrote: 
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(hopefully the last issue of Ares as well). 
<<<

Wait, this is finally out ? I don't remember seeing it on the shipping list...

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Posted: 22 Jun 2006 11:46 am    
By Frederic Krier

Ares 5: looked it up at the Marvel website - it's been rescheduled to the 5th of July. Oh well. 
And I suppose the Hulk annual is meant to be "Giant-Size Hulk 1"?

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Posted: 22 Jun 2006 08:54 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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Wait, do you mean this week's "Giant Size Hulk #1"? You've already got it on your list, Paul, under "Future Stuff"...which I volunteered for previously.  
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Oops. Yup. I'm getting confused with the recent revival of "Giant-Size" and "Annual" titles. They both seem to refer to oversized one-shots, at least for now. We'll see if "Annual" lives up to the name, ala this week's "Uncanny X-Men Annual #1," which actually counts as Uncanny X-Men Annual, vol. 2 #1 -- UX@2 1? 

Anyway, I'll change the listing and put Frederic down as the analyst and give Kevin more breathing room. 

Thanks, Frederic! 

Paul
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Posted: 22 Jun 2006 09:08 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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We'll see if "Annual" lives up to the name, ala this week's "Uncanny X-Men Annual #1," which actually counts as Uncanny X-Men Annual, vol. 2 #1 -- UX@2 1? 
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Ugh. Yeah, looks like it. 


watching: true lies

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Posted: 30 Jun 2006 03:01 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I posted another update of the call.
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Posted: 30 Jun 2006 09:53 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

Quote: 
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Daredevil v2 #88 
Daredevil v2 #89-93  
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I can still handle Daredevil for you, Paul.
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Posted: 01 Jul 2006 02:15 am    
By JD

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
Completed stories (as of 6/30/06, according to Previews) 
Ares #1-5 (Frederic) 
Daredevil: Father #6 (Kevin) 
Daughters of the Dragon #1-6 


Daughters of the Dragon #6 isn't due out until July 19. In the same way, Ares #5 should be out next week, and I've lost track of when DD:Father #6 is supposed to ship. 

(I prefer not to commit to anything more yet until I can finish Sentinel v2, but I may be able to help you for some of those.)

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Thread 47

Posted: 03 Jul 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Amazing Fantasy vol. 2 #16-20, (the back up stories).
By Kevin W.
Director

Here's my analysis for the back up stories in Amazing Fantasy Vol. 2 #16-20. I'm only doing reviews for the back ups in issues 16, 17, and 20, as issues 18 and 19 feature back up stories set in the New Universe, (and thus, don't apply to Earth 616). 

Amazing Fantasy Vol. 2 #16/2 
"Or Best Offer" 
Written by Chris Kipiniak 
Art by Carmine Di Giandomenico 

Appearances: Paladin/Paul Dennis 

Synopsis: All events happen on the same night. Paladin is in some random former eastern USSR nation, (filled with snow covered mountains, muslim freedom fighters/terrorists, Soviet looking soldiers). He's been hired by some rebels to help break into a military facility and blow it up. They successfully break in, but on the way out, all of the rebels are killed or captured by the military. It turns out Paladin was also working for the government of this nation as well, (a double agent). He drives off as the military facility blows up behind him, (he let the rebels blow it up, because he can't stand the dictator government of this nation anymore than he can stand the rebels). 

The End. 

References: None really. I guess this could probably go after Paladin's appearance in DD2 #79, (where he shoots Daredevil to get out of trouble with the FBI). 

Amazing Fantasy Vol. 2 #17/2 
"Self Made Monster" 
Written by Steve Niles 
Drawn by Rafa Gares 

Appearances: Morbius/Dr. Michael Morbius, Nikos, Martine, Lord Falsworth 

Synopsis: All events, (except for the flashback) happen on the same night. 

Pg. 1-2: Morbius pulls himself up out of the ocean and onto a harbor dock in some city. Morbuis narrates that he's being chased, and is out of breath. 

Pg. 3-5: FB-Morbius thinks back to his origin, (and I'm not sure if this matches up completely with previous depictions of his origin): This entire flashback occurs on one night. Dr. Morbius and his lab partner "Nikos" are conducting experiments in a lab to try and cure Morbius of his rare blood disease. Morbius' girlfriend Martine stops by the lab to see how Michael is doing, and she then leaves. Morbius and Nikos conduct another experiment, which ends up exploding and turning Morbius into a living vampire. Morbius kills Nikos, and when he hears Martine coming back to the lab, he flees out a window and into the night, because he doesn't want her to see the monster he's become. 

Pg. 6-8: Back in the present day, a boat pulls up alongside the harbor and out onto the harbor step a group of vampires, led by a "Lord Falsworth". They accuse Morbius of tainting the line of vampire everywhere, and say that he shall die for this crime. Morbius then sees that one of these accusers is his old partner Nikos, who Lord Falsworth says he resurrected from the grave just to torment Morbuis. The vampires tell Morbius they shall come back for him soon, and they leave. Morbius says he'll be ready for them when they make their move. 

The End. 

References: This was obviously a set up for a future story, but I doubt we'll ever see it resolved. I don't recognize the name "Lord Falsworth"...is this someone from Dracula's or Blade's books? 

Amazing Fantasy #20/2 
"Steam Rider in: The Steam Powered Heart" 
Written by Joe. R. Lansdale 
Drawn by Byron Penaranda 

Appearances: Sonny Dolan, (the Steam Rider), Mr. Dolan, (his father), and Jake Rutherford, (the head of the Rutherford Boys, an outlaw gang), and "Tin", (the Steam Rider's mechanical horse). 

Synopsis: This whole story is set in the Old West, (no exact date is given). 

Pgs. 1-6p3: All events on these pages occur on the same day: Jake Rutherford, leader of the Rutherford Boys, is in a local bar getting drunk and shooting off his guns. He's knocked out by Sonny Dolan, the new Sheriff in town. Sonny locks up Rutherford in the local jail and goes and checks on his father, the local blacksmith, (who's apparently an expert in Steam Technology). He goes back to the jail house to find his deputy dead and that the other Rutherford boys have broken Jake out of jail. They stab and mortally wound Sonny and leave. 

The townsfolk bring Sonny to his father's blacksmith shop, and Mr. Dolan decides to save his son's life no matter what the cost. 

Pgs. 6p4-8: The Next Day, or could be a few days later. Sonny wakes up to find himself in a robot steam powered suit, which his father assembled. Sonny gets on his robotic steed "Tin", (another creation of Mr. Dolan's) and he rides off in pursuit of the Rutherford Boys. He catchs up with them in another bar, gets into a gunfight with them and kills all of them except for Jake Rutherford. He apprehends Jake and drags him back off to jail. 

References: 

Pg. 3: There's a full moon in the sky on this evening. 

Pg. 8: Sonny calls himself the "Steam Sheriff"...which doesn't match up with the name of the brief blurb on the 1st page and on the cover of the issue, (he's called "Steam Rider" there). But whatever: it's basically Robocop set in the old west. 

That's it for now. I'll deal with the main story in Amazing Fantasy vol. 2 #16-20 soon enough.
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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 11:44 pm  
By Frederic Krier

Lord Falsworth: John Falsworth Jr. aka BARON BLOOD I, Invaders, Captain America, Knights of Pendragon foe. 
He is supposed to be dead though (first, he was decapitated by Captain America in CA #254, then he was resurrected and killed again in Knights of Pendragon (2nd series) #10-11.

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 11:48 pm    
By Col_Fury

-edit- 
Frederic Krier wrote: 
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Lord Falsworth: John Falsworth Jr. aka BARON BLOOD I 
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You beat me to it, Krier!
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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 07:35 am    
By Enda80

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/baronbloodinv.htm 

Actually, the original Baron Blood (not Mario Bava film) was not "Lord Falsworth"-his older brother inherited the title due to primogeniture. He should be properly "the Honorable John Falsworth" just as Ka-Zar's brother, the Plunderer, is only "the Honourable Percival Plunder". 

Incidentally, a note on aristocracy; it is not "Lord Kevin Plunder" but "Lord Plunder", "Kevin, Lord Plunder" or "the Earl of Plunder". 

See Alias#26 and Captain America IV#31.

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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 07:48 am 
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Thanks for the analyses, Kevin! 
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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 10:33 am    
By Kevin W.
Director

Frederic Krier wrote: 
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Lord Falsworth: John Falsworth Jr. aka BARON BLOOD I, Invaders, Captain America, Knights of Pendragon foe. 
He is supposed to be dead though (first, he was decapitated by Captain America in CA #254, then he was resurrected and killed again in Knights of Pendragon (2nd series) #10-11. 
<<<

Well, I suppose this could be set in the past, before Falsworth died, (either the 1st or 2nd time). There's nothing really placing this in the present day of the Marvel universe, other than Morbius saying that his transformation into a living vampire, (as shown in the flashback) occured "years ago".
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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 06:09 pm    
By Enda80

Two things; 

1. John Falsworth, Jr. was an alias of John Falsworth. After he became a vampire, he masqueraded as his (fictitious) son. 

2. He was never a lord. His older brother Union Jack inherited the title. 
The second Baron Blood was Union Jack's grandson, though, but had the last name Crichton.

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Thread 48

Amazing Fantasy #16-20 
"Death's Head 3.0: Unnatural Selection pts. 1-5" 
Written by Simon Furman 
Drawn by James Riaz 

This storyline introduces Death's Head 3.0, in a storyline set in the future, (approx. 50 to 100 years in the future...it's a Cyberpunk tale, basically). In this future, the U.N. and A.I.M. are preparing to sign a peace treaty that would basically require A.I.M. to disarm and become a legal political body, (something akin to the I.R.A. in real life). One of A.I.M's senior scientists, Veronica Goddard, sees A.I.M. as having become weak, and she has rebuilt an old Death's Head unit to go and kill the U.N. Secretary General, (and plunge the world back into war between A.I.M. and the U.N.). 

We eventually learn that this Death's Head is an alien construct from the world of Sakaar, (the planet Hulk is trapped on in the Planet Hulk storyline). How it ended up on Earth remains to be seen, (and probably will be shown in the Planet Hulk storyline), but in Amazing Fantasy vol. 2 #18, we see a flashback on a computer database that gives us some clues. 

AAF2 #18: FB 

pg. 12p5: On a computer screen, we see a picture of Captain Universe, (Gabriel Vargas, as shown in AAF2 #13/2 and 14/2...we know it's Vargas because they show a photo of him out of the Cap. Universe outfit, and one of him IN the Cap. Universe outfit). 

12p6-13: Ray Hidalgo, (the hero of this storyline) hacks into an old A.I.M. file and we see a video recording made my Monica Rappaccini, (A.I.M. Supreme Scientist from the Scorpion storyline in AAF2 #7-12). She's narrating that's A.I.M's been trying to capture the Uni-Power, and explains she has performed several experiments in an attempt to mimic it's powers. This is in line with what we saw in the Captain Universe one-shots last year, (A.I.M. was trying to capture the Captain Universe entity). We are told by Monica's narration that though they failed to capture the Uni-power, they were able to mimic some of it's energy and powers, and they placed this new mimicing creation inside the Death's Head construct from outer space, (that somehow ended up on Earth). 

As Monica narrates on pg. 13, Ray punches up Monica's name on the database, and finds out she was the Supreme Scientist from the years "2019 to 2045". It lists her known relatives, which include the following: 

"Carmilla Black aka Thasanee Rappaccini 
Lorcan Rappaccini, (son, deceased) 
Varina Goddard, (granddaughter)." 

So Varina Goddard, the evil scientist villianess of this storyline, is the granddaughter of Monica Rappaccini. 

That's really the only flashback to the present day, and I don't see a reason to review the rest of the storyline, as it takes place in what is the latest in a long line of possible alternate futures... 

That's it for now. Next up is my review for the first part of the Planet Hulk storyline!
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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 06:03 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

So is the flashback with Monica a flashback set in the present-day MU, the mainstream MU from the near future, or an alternate future MU?
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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 07:37 am
By Kevin W.
Director

Well, that's the question, isn't it? What you have here is the fusion of 3 different plots: The Captain Universe storyline, the Scorpion/Monica Rappaccini storyline, and the Planet Hulk storyline. 

It's highly possible that Monica made this video shortly after the events of the Captain Universe one-shots from last year, (after all, she talks about her unsuccessful attempts to try and capture the Captain Universe entity). Or it could be set in the near future of the present day Marvel Universe, after Hulk has returned to Earth, (and more than likely has brought back a Death's Head unit from the Planet Sakaar...which will eventually fall into A.I.M.'s hands). 

Monica's narration states that they've created a mimic of the Cap. Universe entity, but doesn't mention specifically fusing this mimicing device with a Death's Head unit, (it's possible that the idea of using the Death's Head as a vessel for the Cap. Universe powers didn't come around until Varina Goddard came up with the idea in this alternate future). 

So either place the flashback in the present day, or after the Hulk returns within the next year or so... 

Also, I'm ignoring that bit about her being "Scientist Supreme" from "2019 to 2045", because she's ALREADY the current Scientist Supreme of A.I.M., as shown in the Scorpion storyline...unless A.I.M. has splinter cells, each one recognizing a different Scientist Supreme, (but I thought that was more of a Hydra thing)...
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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 08:57 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Are there any flashbacks in these issues involving the previous Death's Heads? 

-Sean

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Posted: 05 Jul 2006 09:35 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

None. The only tie-in to the previous Death's Heads is the name. If there IS a tie-in, we'll learn about it in the pages of the "Planet Hulk" storyline, I'd say...but so far, there's no connection whatsoever.
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Thread 49

Posted: 18 Jun 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #1-6
By Kevin W.
Director

Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #1-6 
Written by Richard K. Morgan 
Layouts: Sean Phillips 
Finishes: Bill Sienkiewicz 

This is a direct sequel to the 2004-2005 Black Widow miniseries, and it picks up right where the last miniseries left off. It would probably be beneficial to reread my old analysis of the last miniseries, (as it stars the cast of the last miniseries, including obscure characters an average reader would have forgotten abouttalk about having to be a careful reader!). 

Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #1 
Part 1: The Things They Say About Her 
Written by Richard K. Morgan 
Layouts: Sean Phillips 
Finishes: Bill Sienkiewicz 

Appearances: Black Widow, Nick Fury, Daredevil (Matt Murdock), Kestrel, Martin Ferris, Black Widow III (Yelena Belova), Alexander Holgate. New characters: Jason Williams and Mikey. 

Synopsis: Pgs. 1-2: Jason Williams and Mikey are standing outside the grave of Jay Williams, (who they say was killed by the Black Widow, though I dont believe this was shown anywhere). They swear revenge against Natasha. 

Pgs. 3-4: At the White House, Nick Fury is talking to the President of the U.S. and to Alexander Holgate, (the head of North, a CIA-type govt. agency that was introduced in the last miniseries). The President and Holgate demand Fury hand over the Black Widow. Fury says shes a retired SHIELD agent, and he has no control over her anymore. 

Pgs. 5-10: After murdering the President of Gynacon Industries at the end of the last miniseries, we now see Natasha has fled from Miami to Cuba. After being harassed by Cuban cops, she is bailed out of trouble by Yolena Belova, (the other Black Widow that was introduced a few years back in a prior Black Widow miniseries). Yolena has come into power down here as a black market porn kingpin, (shes running the industry in Cuba). 

Pgs. 11-12: Fury is talking to Daredevil while Daredevil is beating up some thugs in the street. Fury says that Natasha is being put on the FBIs Most Wanted list. They start to discuss ways to help Natasha out. 

Pgs. 13-14: The next day, (or could be a few days later). Its a daytime scene, whereas the previous scene was at night. We cut to Martin Ferris, (a govt. agent who Natasha interrogated and humiliated in the last miniseries). Ferris is having some psychiatric problems since the chemical interrogation Natasha gave him, and hes not being allowed to go back to active duty because of these problems. As he leaves the doctors office, he is approached by Kestril, (the female North agent who was on Natashas trail all last miniseries). They decide to team up to catch Natasha. 

Pgs. 15-16: Its been around a week since pgs. 5-10: Yelena asks Natasha to do her a favor. Yelenas in charge of the black market drug distribution here on Cuba, and shes not received her usual supply from the Miami mobsters. She asks Natasha to go shake the mobsters up a bit, (in exchange for letting Natasha stay here in Cuba with her). 

Pgs. 17-23: Natasha leads some Cuban hitmen, (soldiers who follow Yelenas command) onto a boat which lands on the Florida beach at night outside a mobster resort. Natasha and the soldiers attack the mobsters and retrieve the narcotics that were being withheld from Yelena. As Natasha is leaving, she spots a Gynacon box on the counter, and demands from the mobsters where it comes from. They print her out an address, and when they try to kill her, she kills them instead. She tells the Cuban soldiers to head back to Cuba, that shes now got unfinished business here in Miami 

Pg. 24: The Next Day: Kestrel and Martin Ferris have arrived in Miami, and theyve begun scouting around for clues to Natashas whereabouts 

References: Nick Fury is in charge of SHIELD here. The Yolena on display here doesnt match up with the Yolena seen in the pages of New Avengers. The most logical explaination is that this occurs prior to the first New Avengers story arc. 

Pg. 3: Fury says, Natalya Romanova is retired, sir. Well, doesnt that conflict with the Black Widow on display in the pages of Bendiss Daredevil?? 

Pg. 4: The President, (who looks nothing like George Bush, which makes for an unusual change in these types of comics) and Nick Fury have the following conversation: 

President: Its no secret that you dont like me, Colonel. Ever since I was elected-- 

Fury: You werent electedsir. 

President: How dare-- 

Fury: You cheated and lied and bought your way into power and thats how youve stayed there. 

A reference to the political scandals of the current real life administration? Well, as I said, the guy doesnt look anything like George W. Bush 

Pg. 10: Yolena tells Natasha, Youre nearly 40. She then says about herself, Whereas Im not yet thirty,. So that kinda gives approx. ages to the two characters 

Pg. 11: Fury calls Daredevil Matt, while Matt is beating up some thugs out on the street. So much for Fury keeping Daredevils identity a secretunless this is after Daredevils identity has been compromised by the press, (in which case, it could be that Fury just doesnt care anymore). 

Pg. 15: Yelena says, Those idiots who tried to arrest you last week are indicative of a trend. So the cops attacking Natasha on pgs. 5-10 happened last week. 

Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #2 
Part 2: What Do You Really Deep Down Want? 
Written by Richard K. Morgan 
Layouts: Sean Phillips 
Finishes: Bill Sienkiewicz 

Appearances: Black Widow, Nick Fury, Daredevil (Matt Murdock), Kestrel, Martin Ferris, Sally Anne Carter, New Characters: Rafael Perez, Bobby Campero, and an unnamed doctor. 

Synopsis: Pgs. 1-2: Narrative Caption reads, Two Weeks Ago. This scene is probably shortly after the end of Issue 5 of the last volume of Black Widow, (at the end of that issue, Sally Anne was shot). The Doctor finishes operating on Sally Anne, and the evil agents take her away. 

Pgs. 3-7: It is now the present day. Natasha breaks into the Doctors house, (having gotten the address at the end of last issue) and she gets the doctor to confess to operating on Sally Anne. 

Pg 8p1-3: Matt Murdock listens to an audio tape Natasha sent to him in the mail. Natashas message states that shes taken up fighting crime, (to get to Sally Anne). 

The next few scenes are a montage which occurs over a week and a half. 

Pg. 8p4-9p1: Natasha beats up a thug in a back alley, (this and the next few scenes can be spread over a few days). 

Pg. 9p2: Natasha attacks a truck load of thugs who are unloading merchandise. 

Pg. 9p3: This occurs on a Tuesday. Natasha blows up a warehouse, while opening fire on some thugs. 

Pg. 10: Meanwhile, back in NYC, we get a one page shot of Matt as Daredevil, beating up thugs in who are trying to rob a convenience store. 

Pg. 11: Natasha blows up a boat full of drug dealers pulling into port in Miami. 

Pg. 12: It is now a week and a half later. Natasha calls up Rafael Perez, the head of organized crime in Miami, and says shes making his life a living hell because she wants info on where they took Sally Anne to. 

Pg. 13: Matt is back inside his office, and he plays Natashas audiotape for Nick Fury. They make the connection that Natasha is attacking organized crime in Miami. 

Pg. 14-17: Agents Kestrel and Martin Ferris are in Miami, interrogating some of the local drug dealers about what they know about Natasha attacking organized crime in Miami. 

Pg. 18-22: This is after Midnight, (and thus the next day) going by a reference next issue. Rafael Perez has just finished having dinner with Bobby Campero, a corrupt corporate guy whos in bed with the sinister agents who kidnapped Sally Anne. Perez asks Campero to just tell Natasha where Sally Anne is, but Campero is afraid hell be killed if he gives up that info. He leaves Perezs household, and drives off, but is ambushed by Natasha. They pull over along the side of the road and she starts to interrogate him. But she doesnt know that theres a snipers bead on her from above 

References: 

Pg. 5: The Doctor tells Natasha that he patched up Sally Anne last month. Considering the narrative caption said that that occurred 2 weeks ago, I guess 2 weeks ago was during the last month. 

Pg. 8: On the voice message that Natasha leaves for Murdock, she says, I know I said Id probably never speak to you again, and in conversational terms, I think thats still the way I feel. I dont know what the heck that refers to, considering they left on mostly friendly terms at the end of DD2 64, (which I believe was the last time they were together). 

Pg. 12: Rafael Perez, (the drug lord) says, Tuesday, we lost the warehouse. Last week, Raul, Rosie, Alberto and Gino, all hospitalized on the street in less than 3 days. And now theres seven million dollars of my product floating in the harbor for the fish!!! So Pg. 9p3 occurs on Tuesday. 

On this same page, Natasha says, You are out of your depth, Perez. The last week and a half has been a little object lesson to that effect. So pgs. 8-11 occur over a week and a half. 

Pg. 22: Natasha, (while interrogating Bobby Campero), says, Three, four weeks back, you got her patched up at your pet surgeons home in Miami Beach. So by this scene, we are now 3 to 4 weeks after pgs. 1 and 2 of this issue. 

Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #3 
Part 3: Help and Those Who Need It 
Written by Richard K. Morgan 
Layouts: Sean Phillips 
Finishes: Bill Sienkiewicz 

Appearances: Black Widow, Nick Fury, Daredevil (Matt Murdock), Agent Kestrel, Martin Ferris, Sally Anne Carter, Bobby Campero, Alexander Holgate, New characters: Eric Blair, and Doctor Fernando Ochoa, Mariela 

Synopsis: Natasha is about to be sniped by Martin Ferris from a military helicopter, but she is rescued by Nick Fury, who flies by in another helicopter and orders Ferriss copter to land. Natashas hostage, (Bobby Campero) attempts to flee into a back alley, but he is captured by Daredevil, (who has arrived to help Natasha). Natasha isnt thankful for the aid, though, and tells Matt to get lost. 

Meanwhile, Sally Anne wakes up to find herself in a detention center at a place called Darien Gap. Standing over her are Dr. Fernando Ochoa and Blair, a North agent. They leave Sally Anne alone. Not long after, she talks to another prisoner there named Mariela, who informs her that this is a prison where girls are experimented on. 

Later on, the tables have been turned on Nick Fury. Hes now been arrested by Alexander Holgate, (leader of the NORTH spy agency), and is being interrogated by Martin Ferris. 

A short time later, Mariela and Sally Anne are talking again. Sally asks if theres anyway to escape this place, but Mariela says no, and that only if someone on the outside knows where you are, then you might have a chance at escaping. 

References: Pg. 1: A radio DJ is broadcasting at the start of the story, and he says, coming up on 3:00 am here in Miami So its nearly 3:00 am. 

Pg. 10: Black Widow tells Daredevil, What happened, did Hells Kitchen get too gentrified to need your services anymore? Or have you just fallen out with your little Greek ninja doll again? Because this time around Im afraid I dont- 

Hells Kitchen being gentrified could possibly be a reference to the renovation Matt and Milla did to Hells Kitchen during the one year gap in the pages of Daredevil. 

On the other hand, Matt hasnt dated Elektra, (the Greek ninja doll) in years, so Im not sure what thats a reference to. I suspect its just Natasha poking a stick at Matt. 

Pg. 16: This page is a big splash page flashback to 30 years ago, as we see Doctor Ochoa as one of the leaders of the Chilean revolution, (the real life event with Augusto Pinochet, not some event specific to the Marvel universe). 

Pg. 20: Holgate tells Fury, You brought this on yourself, Fury. Getting between North and whats ours, threatening an accredited N.S.A. agent in the pursuit of his duities. Aiding and abetting a known terrorist. Get the picture? The Patriot Acts still in force. We still have a mandate from the President and from the American people. Youre looking at rendition or Guantanamo, Colonel. And either way, theyre going to break you for what youve done. Okay, Fury is the head of freakin SHIELD. Why arent they breaking him out and telling the N.S.A to go stuff themselves?!? Unless this is after Nicks had a falling out with SHIELDoh, wait, I get it: This is another LMD!  

Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #4 
Part 4: Women and Children First 
Written by Richard K. Morgan 
Layouts: Sean Phillips 
Finishes: Bill Sienkiewicz 

Appearances: Black Widow, Nick Fury, Daredevil (Matt Murdock), Sally Anne Carter, Bobby Campero, Jason Williams, Rafael Perez, Eric Blair, Mariela, Doctor Fernando Ochoa 

Synopsis: Pgs. 1-3: Rafael Perez, (the Miami drug lord) is talking with Bobby Camperos wife, saying that he will get Bobby back alive. They are suddenly interrupted by Jason Williams, (the guy from the 1st issue). Jason says hes hunting Natasha on his own personal vendetta, and is willing to work for Rafael. 

Pgs. 4: At Darien Gap, Sally Anne and Mariela witness another prisoner being taken to an interrogation room. 

Pg. 5: The next morning. Sally Anne is having bad dreams all night long, and the next morning, she awakes to find the evil scientists who run the place have come for her. 

Pg. 6-7: Natasha and Bobby Campero are on a boat in the swamp waterways of Cuba. Shes having Bobby lead her to the Darien Gap facility. 

Pg. 8-12: This is the now infamous Berserker Daredevil scene. DAREDEVIL SMASH!!!! Matt is at Guantanamo Bay checking on Nick Fury, whos showing signs of having been tortured. Blair, the agent who was just at the Darien Gap facility last issue, is there at Guantanamo, and he taunts Matt, saying theyre going to keep Fury here forever. Matt turns around and attacks Blair and the guards, knocking them out. Fury tells Matt to escape, and he promptly does just as more guards burst in. 

Pg. 13: Rafael and Jason have come to an agreement to have Jason hunt down Natasha and rescue Bobby Campero, (and kill Natasha). 

Pg. 14-22: Natasha breaks into the Darien Gap facility and rescues Sally Anne, (whos been experimented on and is in a drug induced stupor). Natasha sets off some explosives to provide cover for their escape, but some of the guards spot her 

References: 

First, in regards to the Daredevil scenewith Matt loosing his temper and attacking Blair and the guards, didnt he just reveal his secret identity? (or should I say, not so secret identityif this is after the events of Bendiss Daredevil)? Maybe thats why he does attack the guards, because everyone knows hes Daredevil anywayon the other hand: 

Pg. 12: One of the guards shoots at Matt as he flees the scene, but misses. The other guard says, You missed him! Hes going to get away!! 

The other guard responds, Yeah, right. Hes a fancy New York lawyer, a suit, and hes blind. How far you think hes going to get? 

That would seem to indicate that Matt being Daredevil is NOT public knowledge. I dont know how to read this scene 

Pg. 13: Rafael says, (in regards to Jason, the soldier): Hes an Ex-soldier. Hes just back from the Middle East, hes angry, and hes tired of seeing his friends blown apart for some war nobody wanted and a pension their families can barely live off. I have the feeling hes referring to a certain real life war, and not something unique to the Marvel Universeand thanks for sharing your wonderful opinion, Richard K. Morgan. 

Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #5 
Part 5: Do You Feel Better Now? 
Written by Richard K. Morgan 
Layouts: Sean Phillips 
Finishes: Bill Sienkiewicz 

Appearances: Black Widow, Nick Fury, Daredevil (Matt Murdock), Eric Blair, Sally Anne Carter, Bobby Campero, Black Widow III (Yelena Belova), Doctor Fernando Ochoa, Agent Kestrel, Martin Ferris 

Synopsis: All events happen on the same night, (which is the same night as the end of last issue). 

Matt Murdock jumps over the fence at Gauntanamo Bay, and arrives in Cuban territory, only to be picked up by Yelena Belova, (Black Widow III). Back at the base, Blair is sending soldiers and helicopters out to find Murdock, but Murdock fools a copter pilot into thinking hes been killed. 

At the Darien Gap facility, Natasha has been captured by Dr. Ochoa and his men. Agent Kestrel and Martin Ferris arrive, and start torturing her. When they see that Natasha doesnt fear pain, they decide to go and capture Sally Anne, (who escaped into the surrounding jungle), and to bring her back here and torture her in front of Natasha. 

Dawn arrives, and Sally Anne is coming out of her drug stupor out in the jungle, alongside Bobby Campero, (who Natasha left tied up). Sally Anne cant decide how to rescue Natasha, when she and Bobby are suddenly confronted by soldiers 

A short bit later, soldiers drag Sally Anne into the cell with Natasha 

References: 

Pg. 5: When Matt recognizes its Yelena helping him, she says, Thats not bad for a blind man, Matt. Very sharp. But then I imagine having that disability, the rest of your senses must have sharpened to an almost superhuman pitch. Hmm? 

Have Yelena and Matt met before now? Is this a reference that Matts secret identity is well known? Or did she know about Matt and Daredevil being one and the same from a previous time theyve met? 

Black Widow: The Things They Say About Her #6 
Part 6: Welcome to the Game. 
Written by Richard K. Morgan 
Layouts: Sean Phillips 
Finishes: Bill Sienkiewicz 

Appearances: Black Widow, Nick Fury, Daredevil (Matt Murdock), Sally Anne Carter, Bobby Campero, Black Widow III (Yelena Belova), Doctor Fernando Ochoa, Agent Kestrel, Martin Ferris, Rafael Perez 

Synopsis: Pgs. 1-20: These events happen on the same morning as the end of last issue. 

It turns out that Sally Anne was rescued by soldiers loyal to Yelena. Theyre breaking in and rescuing Natasha. Yelena and Matt are leading the raid, and they set Natasha free. Agent Kestrel and Martin Ferris make a run for it into the jungle, but they are quickly tracked down by Natasha and killed. Natasha makes her way back to the Darien Gap facility, which is now under the control of Yelena and her forces. 

Epilogue time: Bobby Campero died in the crossfire. Matt makes a comment that he is still a wanted man, but says that hell head back to the states. Yelena and Natasha rescue all of the women being help prisoner at Darien Gap. Natasha and Sally Anne agree to stay with Yelena in Cuba, where they will have safe asylum. 

Pg. 21-22: This scene could be a few days later, it could be a few weeks later. We see several final shots of our different cast of characters: Sally Anne and Natasha are still in Cuba, resting up and relaxing. The President is on the TV screen making a speech about terrorism. Matt is in his Daredevil costume back in Hells Kitchen. There are Wanted posters all over Hells Kitchen, featuring Matt Murdock and Natashas faces. Nick Fury is still in Guantanamo prison. Rafael Perez is having Bobby Campero buried. And Jason Williams, (the guy from a few mere pages of Issue #1 and Issue #4) is sharpening his blades, apparently getting ready to hunt Natasha. And thats how it ends. Theyre obviously setting up for another sequel, though I dont know if its going to get published or notfrankly, this miniseries left me scratching me head: You end the story with Nick Fury still in prison?!?! 

References: 

Pg. 17: Natasha says, What do you want, Matt? 

Matt responds, Well, political asylum would be a start. Until I get my costume back, anyway. You know Matt Murdocks pretty much persona non grata back home right now. 

Okay, so whats up with Yelena? In New Avengers, shes a rogue agent, who became a new Adaptoid, and who died in New Avengers Annual #1. Here, shes one of the good guys, (kind of). 

Frankly, with Yelena being a good guy, and with Matt being a fugitive, and with Fury still locked up in Gitmo at the end of the story, Im starting to lean towards this miniseries not being in continuitybut if another sequel is published later this year, then well know more for certain. 

Thats it for nownext up is Amazing Fantasy #16-20.
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Posted: 19 Jun 2006 01:07 am    
By Somebody

Does it at least mostly work placed before New Avengers #1-6? (which is where it would have to be for BW2, oc). If, Fury aside, it does, with Fury continuity being the sheer level of screwed-upiness it has achieved by this point already (probably another LMD in Gitmo, after all...) I wouldn't rule this out just yet

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Posted: 19 Jun 2006 02:40 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

That's certainly what I'm leaning towards, but I for one want to see if there's another sequel miniseries in the works...I mean, what type of miniseries ends with Nick Fury in Gauntanamo Bay, Matt Murdock a wanted man, and Yelena a good gal? But then again...Murdock IS a wanted man in his own title, (actually, he's in jail), and Fury IS considered a criminal, (but he's in hiding in the Bendis books, not in prison)...if it wasn't for the Yelena bit, I think this might've been possible to line up these events somehow... 

I suppose if there isn't a sequel, and we still want to consider this canon, we could just rule that the status quo returns to normal behind the scenes...
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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 04:10 pm    
By Somebody

Kevin W. wrote: 
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I suppose if there isn't a sequel, and we still want to consider this canon, we could just rule that the status quo returns to normal behind the scenes... 
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Looks like that's the way it's gonna be...: 
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http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays05.html wrote: 
Robert_Coyner - I really enjoyed Richard K. Morgan's two Black Widow minis, and I had assumed that what happened to Fury during the second volume would explain why he has disappeared from S.H.I.E.L.D. even though smaller titles like this rarely play significant roles in the wider Marvel Universe. Anyway, there were several strands left dangling at the end of the second. Will there be a third volume? Or, if not, are there any other plans for Morgan to work on other Marvel titles? 

JQ: Currently. Robert, there are no plans for a third Black Widow mini, but we are talking to Richard about more future Marvel work.  
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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 04:29 pm    
By Kevin W.
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It's tempting to just throw both miniseries out the window, and declare them non canon...Marvel shouldn't let a writer end their story arc with so many blatently loose story threads.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 07:10 pm    
By jephyork
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Robert Coyner obviously didn't read Secret War. 

-Jeph!

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Thread 50

Posted: 15 Jul 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: X-Men: Age of Apocalypse One-Shot
By Dhall

X-Men: Age of Apocalypse One-Shot (2005) 

First Story: Talking About My Generation 

Colossus 
Rogue 
Sunfire 
Sabretooth 
Magneto 
Quicksilver 
Storm 
Shadowcat 

As Photos (NO Actual Appearance): 
Chamber 
Mondo 
Husk 
Vincente 
Skin 




Placement notes: This story occurs after Mikhail has been turned into a horseman, after Piotr has come to America to work for Magneto. Kate and Piotr are married. During a battle against the Sentinels in Wakanda, Piotr decides that he can fight no longer. Magneto offers him and Kat the choice to train mutants instead of fighting alongside the X-Men. This story occurs between X-Men Chron 2 and X-Men Chron 2/3. 

Second Story: Man Bites Dog 

Sabretooth (narrating the flashback, appears here sometime after joining the X-Men and meeting Blink) 

In Flashback: 

Sabretooth 
Holocaust 
Wild Child 

Placement Notes: Sabretooth takes a moral stand, and tries to hind school kids from the Prelates. Holocaust has him thrown in a cell with Wild Child. 


Third Story: Shinjuku Incident 

Weapon X 

Yashida, Mariko 
Silver Samurai 

Placement notes: Occurs years ago, Logan saves a school age Mariko from some thugs, then fights Silver Samurai. 

Fourth Story: The Beginning of the End 

Magneto 
Rogue 
Lehnsherr, Charles 
Nightcrawler 
Gambit 
Jubilee 
Quicksilver 
Rasputin, Illyana 
Weapon X 
Grey, Jean 

Sinister 

Placement Notes: This occurs after X-Men Omega. The bombs do not destroy the world. Quicksilver assumes this is his fathers doing. Magneto restores the statue of Liberty. Logan tells him to bury Jean. Months later, Sinister comes to visit Magneto. 


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**XAOAONE 1/4 

WILD CHILD 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
X:ALPHA 
ASTONX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 

YASHIDA, MARIKO 
**XAOAONE 1/3 
X:ALPHA 
WX 1 
WX 2 
WX 3 
WX 4

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Thread 51

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Exiles 60 & 61 (more AOA stuff)
By Dhall

Exiles 60 

Characters: 
Timebroker 

Exiles: 
Namora 
Morph 
Mimic 
Sabretooth 
Blink 

Holocaust 

In Flashbacks: Holocaust, Sinister, Apocalkypse, Magneto, Storm, Sunfire, X-Man 

Flashbacks: Holocaust carries out a culling (probably prior to X-Men: Alpha) 
Sinister supervises Infinites taking mutant children to his laboratory. (probably prior to X-Men: Alpha) 
Apocalypse sits on his throne. (probably prior to X-Men: Alpha) 

Magneto fights Apocalypse (during X-Men: Omega) This is a different enough shot to what is shown in X:Omega to warrant inclusion as a new flashback. 

Storm & Sunfire are flying as the bombs drop. (This must occur after X-Men: Omega) 

Apocalypse & Holocaust show Magneto the MKraan Crystal. This is from a completely different angle to the shots in X-Men: Omega, as to be a new scene. 

X-Man stabs Holocaust with the crystal shard. This one is less clear, it seems to be a different angle of the same moment that we see in X-Men: Omega. 



Exiles 61 

Timebroker 

Exiles: 
Holocaust 
Namora 
Blink 
Sabretooth 
Mimic 
Morph 

AOA: 
Magneto 
Sunfire 
Gambit 
Quicksilver 

In FB: Dark Beast & Apocalypse (must occur prior to X-Men: Omega, as they have the MKraan Crystal.) 


As punishment for not obeying his orders, the Timebroker sends the Exiles to the Age of Apocalypse world, puts Holocaust on the team, and orders them to kill Magneto. Holocaust goes his own way, finds the Mkraan crystal, then offers the Exiles an alliance against the Timebroker. By working together, they can combine the Mkraan crystal, and the Talus into a way to go to the Timebrokers world, and fight him. In the process of recovering the Dark Beasts notes, they fight Magneto, Sunfire, Gambit, and Quicksilver, who are fairly easily defeated. The Exiles use the notes to appear in the Timebrokers home reality. Note that these issues occur between issues 2 and 4 of the X-Men: Age of Apocalypse limited Series, as Magneto, etc. return from Mexico in issue 4 of that series.

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Thread 52

Posted: 16 Jul 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject: X-Men: Age of Apocalypse Limited Series
By Dhall

I dont have a lot of good things to say about this mini-series. I found both the art, and writing to be poor, and it does not do a good job of following up on the Age of Apocalypse, instead introducing a lot of new characters, who really dont do very much. Instead of writing up synopsis, for these issues, Ive just listed the characters, explained the flashbacks, and am appending a list of chronology additions for the AOA characters, including the one shot, this limited series, and Exiles 60-61. If anyone can identify any more characters, anything I might have missed, or explain Moonstars presence in issue 2, be my guest. 

X-Men: Age of Apocalypse 1 

Weapon X 
Kikira 

In Fb: 
Quicksilver 
Rogue 
Magneto 

President Kelly 
Trish Tilby 

Magneto 
Storm 
Nightcrawler 
Sunfire 
Gambit 
Wolfsbane 
Rogue 
Lensherr, Charles 
Silver Samurai 
Beak 
Husk (as Xorn) 
Dazzler 
Quicksilver 

Hellions: 
Roulette 
Tarot 
Catseye 


X-Men: Age of Apocalypse 2 

Magneto 
Storm 
Silver Samurai 
Husk (as Xorn) 
Dazzler 
Rogue 

Marrow 
Thornn 
Feral 
Leech 
Skids 

Moonstar 

Kirika 
Weapon X 
Lensherr, Charles 
Quicksilver 
Beak 
Wolfsbane 

Sinister 
Jean Grey 

Northstar 
Aurora 

IN FB: 
Magneto 
Storm 
Rogue 
Gambit 
Nightcrawler 
Quicksilver 
Kirika 
Sunfire 
Dazzler 

Flashback: The X-Men wake up X-23 from a tank, Magneto trains her. 

X-Men: Age of Apocalypse 3 

Storm 
Rogue 
Nightcrawler 
Dazzler 
Silver Samurai 
Kirika 
Beak 
Weapon X 
Wolfsbane 
Lehnsherr, Charles 
Husk (as Xorn) 

Cannonball 
Guthrie, Elizabeth 
Guthrie, Josh 

X-Men: Age of Apocalypse 4 

Storm 
Nightcrawler 
Kirika 
Dazzler 
Silver Samurai 
Weapon X 
Rogue 
Lehnsherr, Charles 

Cannonball 
Guthrie, Elizabeth 
Guthrie, Jay 
Husk/Guthrie, Paige 
Psylocke 
Magneto 
Sunfire 
Quicksilver 
Gambit 

IN Flashback: 
Guthrie, Paige 
Guthrie, Elizabeth 
Cannonball 

Flashback: In the Portland Core, Paige is captured, and eventually rescued by her family. 

X-Men: Age of Apocalypse 5 

Weapon X 
Magneto 
Rogue 
Dazzler 
Psylocke 
Storm 
Quicksilver 
Silver Samurai 
Kirika 
Gambit 
Wolfsbane 
Sinister 
Cloak 
Soaron 
Sonique 
Dagger 
Jean Grey 

In Flashback: 
Magneto 
Rogue 
Lehnsherr, Charles 
Grey, Jean (as phoenix manifestation) 
Quicksilver 
Sinister 
Illyana Rasputin 

Flashback: Jean saves the world, only Magneto and Sinister know, Sinister comes to visit Magneto. 

X-Men: Age of Apocalypse 6 

Weapon X 
Sunfire 
Silver Samurai 
Storm 
Dazzler 
Rogue 
Magneto 
Quicksilver 
Gambit 
Kirika 
Psylocke 
Wolfsbane 
Nightcrawler 
Sinister 
Soaron 
Cloak 
Grey Jean 
Dagger 
Sonique 

Trish Tilby 
Lenhsherr, Charles

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Posted: 16 Jul 2006 12:49 pm    
By Dhall

And as promised, the chronology additions for the Age of Apocalypse characters: 

APOCALYPSE 
XCHRON 1 
ASTONX 2-FB 
BLINK 1 
**EX2 60-FB 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
WX 1 
X-CAL 1 
XM 1 
ASTONX 2 
FX 2 
X-CAL 2 
FX 3 
ASTONX 3-BTS 
AMAZX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AOA:C 
XM 4 
GAM&XT 4 
**EX2 61-FB 
WX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**EX2 60-FB 
X:OMEGA 
**EX2 60-FB 
X:OMEGA 

AURORA 
AOA:SB 
{FX 1} 
FX 2 
**XAOA 2 

**BEAK 
XAOA 1 
XAOA 2 
XAOA 3 

BLINK 
BLINK 3-FB 
ASTONX 3-FB 
AOA:BL 
BLINK 1 
BLINK 2 
BLINK 3 
BLINK 4 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
BLINK 4 
**EXI2 60 
**EXI2 61 

CANNONBALL 
FX 1 
FX 2 
FX 3 
FX 4 
**XAOA 4-FB 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 

**CATSEYE 
XAOA 1 

**CLOAK 
XAOA 5 
XAOA 6 

COLOSSUS 
XCHRON 1 
XCHRON 2/5 
AOA:BL 
XCHRON 2 
**XAOAONE 1 
XCHRON 2/3 
{GENNXT 1} 
GENNXT 2 
GENNXT 3 
GENNXT 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 

**DAGGER 
XAOA 5 
XAOA 6 


DARK BEAST/HENRY MCCOY | AOAVERSE 
AOA:SB 
XCHRON 2/4 
AOA:SB 
XM -1 
BLINK 1 
X:ALPHA 
WX 1 
FX 1 
FX 2 
FX 3 
FX 4 
**EX2 61-FB 
X:OMEGA 
GENX -1 
GENX 49-FB 
X:PRIME 
XF 112-BTS 
 

DAZZLER 
AMAZX 1 
AMAZX 2 
AMAZX 3 
GAM&XT 4 
AMAZX 4 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

**FERAL 
XAOA 2 

GAMBIT 
AOA:BL 
XCHRON 2 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
GAM&XT 1 
GAM&XT 2 
GAM&XT 3 
GAM&XT 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 


GREY, JEAN 
XCHRON 1 
XCHRON 2/5 
FX 3-FB 
XCHRON 2 
FX 3-FB 
{X:ALPHA} 
WX 1 
WX 2 
FX 3 
XM 4 
FX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB-BTS 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

GUTHRIE, ELIZABETH 
FX 1 
FX 2 
FX 3 
FX 4 
**XAOA 4-FB 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 

**GUTHRIE, JOSH 
XAOA 3 
XAOA 4 


HOLOCAUST 
XCHRON 1 
ASTONX 2-FB 
XCHRON 2/4 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
XCHRON 2 
BLINK 1 
XCHRON 2/2 
**EX2 60-FB 
X:ALPHA 
WX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**EX2 60-FB 
X:OMEGA 
X:PRIME 
X 42 
X 43 
XFOR 48 
XFOR 49 
XFOR 50 
C2 31 
XM 15 
XM 16 
XM 17 
A 402 
XM 44 
**EXI2 60 
**EXI2 61 


HUSK 
GENNXT 1 
GENNXT 2 
GENNXT 3 
GENNXT 4 
**XAOA 4-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 


JUBILEE 
GAM&XT 1 
GAM&XT 2 
GAM&XT 3 
GAM&XT 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE  

KELLY, ROBERT 
AOA:BL 
**XAOA 1 

**KIRIKA/X-23 
XAOA 2-FB-FB 
XAOA 2-FB 
XAOA 1 
XAOA 2 
XAOA 3 
XAOA 4 
XAOA 5 
XAOA 6 

**LEECH 
XAOA 2 

LEHNSHERR, CHARLES 
X:ALPHA 
ASTONX 1 
AMAZX 1 
ASTONX 2 
XM 2 
ASTONX 3 
AMAZX 3 
GAM&XT 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 6 

MAGNETO 
X 41 
XCHRON 1 
XCHRON 2/5 
XM 3-FB 
AOA:BL 
XCHRON 2 
XM '96 
**XAOAONE 1 
BLINK 1 
BLINK 4 
XCHRON 2/6 
X:ALPHA 
ASTONX 1 
X-CAL 1 
XM 1 
GAM&XT 1 
GENNXT 1 
AMAZX 1 
ASTONX 2 
XM 2 
ASTONX 3 
AMAZX 3 
ASTONX 4 
XM 4 
WX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**EX2 60-FB 
X:OMEGA 
**EX2 60-FB 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 ~ XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

**MARROW 
XAOA 2 

**MOONSTAR II 
XAOA 2 

NIGHTCRAWLER 
AOA:BL 
{ASTONX 1} 
X-CAL 1 
X-CAL 2 
X-CAL 3 
X-CAL 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 6 

NORTHSTAR 
AOA:SB 
{FX 1} 
FX 2 
**XAOA 2 

**PSYLOCKE 
XAOA 4 
XAOA 5 
XAOA 6 

QUICKSILVER 
XCHRON 1 
XCHRON 2/5 
XCHRON 2 
**XAOAONE 1 
BLINK 4 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
AMAZX 1 
AMAZX 2 
AMAZX 3 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

RASPUTIN, ILLYANA 
BLINK 3-FB 
{GENNXT 2} 
GENNXT 3 
GENNXT 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE  
**XAOA 5-FB 

RASPUTIN, MIKHAIL 
**XCHRON 2/3 
X-U 1 
X-U 2 

ROGUE 
FX 2-FB 
XCHRON 1 
XCHRON 2/5 
AOA:BL 
XCHRON 2 
**XAOAONE 1 
BLINK 1 
BLINK 4 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

**ROULETTE 
XAOA 1 

SABRETOOTH 
XCHRON 1 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
ASTONX 3-FB 
AOA:BL 
XCHRON 2 
**XAOAONE 1 
BLINK 4 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**EXI2 60 
**EXI2 61 

SHADOWCAT 
**XAOAONE 1 
XCHRON 2/3 
{GENNXT 1} 
GENNXT 2 
GENNXT 3 
GENNXT 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 

**SILVER SAMURAI 
XAOAONE 1/3 
XAOA 1 
XAOA 2 
XAOA 3 
XAOA 4 
XAOA 5 
XAOA 6 

SINISTER 
AOA:SB 
FX 3-FB 
AOA:SB 
XM -1 
XM 4-FB 
XM 1-FB 
FX 3-FB 
**EX2 60-FB 
{X:ALPHA} 
FX 1 
XM 1 
XM 2 
XM 3 
XM 4 
**EX2 60-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 ~ XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

**SKIDS 
XAOA 2 

SOARON 
XM 1 
XM 2 
XM 3 
XM 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

SONIQUE 
XM 1 
XM 2 
XM 3 
XM 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

STORM 
XCHRON 1 
XCHRON 2/5 
XCHRON 2/5-BTS 
XCHRON 2 
XM 3-FB 
**XAOAONE 1 
BLINK 4 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
AMAZX 1 
AMAZX 2 
AMAZX 3 
AMAZX 4 
**EX2 60-FB 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

SUNFIRE 
ASTONX 2-FB 
AOA:BL 
**XAOAONE 1 
{ASTONX 1} 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
**EX2 60-FB 
**XAOA 2-FB 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 6 

**TAROT 
XAOA 1 

**THORNN 
XAOA 2 

**TILBY, TRISH 
XAOA 1 
XAOA 6 


WEAPON X/LOGAN 
**XAOAONE 1/3 
XCHRON 1 
XCHRON 2/5 
ASTONX 3-FB 
FX 3-FB 
XCHRON 2 
FX 3-FB 
{X:ALPHA} 
WX 1 
WX 2 
WX 3 
WX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 4 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

WILD CHILD 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
X:ALPHA 
ASTONX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 

WOLFSBANE 
FX 1 
FX 2 
FX 3 
FX 4 
**XAOA 1 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 3 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

YASHIDA, MARIKO 
**XAOAONE 1/3 
X:ALPHA 
WX 1 
WX 2 
WX 3 
WX 4

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Thread 53

Posted: 17 Jul 2006 09:52 pm    Post subject: Human Torch 2-5A(Torch stories), & misc.
By Col_Fury

As pointed out by Roy Thomas in his intro to the Golden Age Human Torch Marvel Masterworks, there was no Human Torch #1. There was a Red Raven #1, but the series was then renamed the Human Torch with #2, meaning the first issue of the Human Torch is actually the second issue of the volume if that makes sense. 

There are also two #5s. This Masterworks covers issues 2-5A, and if theres ever a volume 2, it will cover 5B-8.(5B has Namor attacking New York again, but this time under mind control) Why are there two number 5s? Im not sure, Roy didnt cover that in his intro 

So if anything, Human Torch 1 should be deleted from the Human Torchs & Toros chronologies, because unless theres some other comic out there that Im unaware of, there is no (Golden Age)Human Torch 1. 

***** 

The Human Torch 2 
Fall, 1940 
-1st story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Pops, Samson, Toros parents-FB(later named as Frank & Nora), and some fire-eaters. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg5pn1: Pops Circus 
Human Torch flies above a circus to see a boy catch on fire but the kids unharmed! Torch flies down to check it out, and to see if the kid can fly. He gets into a fight with the circus strongman(Samson), then decides to train the kid in the use of his powers. Toro tells the Torch how he ended up in the circus 
Pg5pn2-pg7pn6: FB 
Toro and his parents board a train, which crashes and catches fire. Everyone dies but Toro, and hes found by a group of carnival fire-eaters, who adopt him. 
Pg7pn7: Pops Circus 
What a story! 
Pg8-pg19: one week later, Pops Circus 
Toro does his act at the circus, but it goes horribly wrong. Meanwhile, Samson goes to the circus, kills a scientist and steals a Rayon Gun. He then proceeds to rob the circus box office, but hes stopped by the Torch and Toro. 

References: 
Its the first appearance of Toro! 

The FlashBack presented here was also shown later as a FlashBack in Invaders 22. Since this one came first, it should be listed instead of the Invaders one. 

--- 
The Human Torch 3 
Winter, 1940 
-1st story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond). 

Synopsis: 
Pg1pn1-pg1pn2: Pops Circus 
Torch finished Toros training. Elsewhere, Fifth Columnists plan against Torch and Toro 
Pg1pn3-pg20: a few weeks later 
Fifth Columnists arrive at the circus, and fool Toro into thinking his parents are still alive. They get him to sabotage a munitions plant, and eventually get him onto a boat. Torch attacks the boat, but is knocked silly by a torpedo! 

The Human Torch 3/2 
-2nd story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Hitler, Mussolini. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg6pn1: continued from first story, same day 
Torch recovers, and finds gold on the boat. He melts it and dumps it over the side, and burns a note for Namor on the last brick. 
Pg6pn2-pg20: next day 
The Boat arrives in Germany and explodes. Toros told hes a prince, and he powers a munitions plant with his powers. Torch sabotages said plant, then attacks Hitler and Mussolini, who are signing a treaty nearby. Torch leaves, and Toro is put into a rocket which is shot at the US. Torch follows it across the Atlantic, and he and Toro destroy it and the other the rocket bombs shot at the US by Germany. 

References: 
Published in the winter of 1940, the US is of course not in the war yet. 

Hitler is called Adolphe Hiccup, Mussolini is called Benny Musclein, and Germany is called Slaveland. According to Roys intro, Herr Medals was a stand-in for Hermann Goring. 

The Human Torch 3/3 
-3rd story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Namor, Betty Dean, Emperor Dorma, Lerza, Folma, FDR. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg8: Atlantic Ocean 
Namor comes across molten gold and a brick with a note for him on it from the Torch! He meets with Betty Dean, who mentions the events of the previous two stories to him. Namor sneaks into a German boat docked in New York harbor, and is captured by Nazis. Torch and Toro happen by and free him. They figure the Nazis Namor was fighting are related to the Fifth Columnists that tricked Toro, so Namor goes to Atlantis to organize a fleet to stop them from invading the US. 
Pg9-pg20: next day 
Namors fleet fights off the invading German forces. He then goes to DC, where he learns of another invasion coming within 48 hours. So he immediately goes to clean up after an attack at the Panama Canal, so that US forces can cross over the Pacific, where the other invasion force is coming from. They defeat the invading fleet, and afterwards, FDR thanks Namor personally. That night, a parade is held in Namors honor. 

References: 
Namor mentions that his story from the Human Torch 2/2 was a few months ago. 

Namor meets Toro for the first time. 

The Human Torch 4 
Spring 1941 
-1st story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Blackjack. 

Synopsis: 
Pg2-pg5: New York 
The Police Commissioner tells Torch of disappearing criminals. To investigate, Torch and Toro go to Toros buddys place where the kids dad also disappeared but hes dead! They check out the body at the morgue, and discover that he was murdered. Torch comes up with a plan 
Pg6-pg20: a few days later 
Toro poses as a criminal and is approached with an offer to be in a protection racket. He goes along and Torch follows, but Toro disappears! Following clues, Torch finds Toro on a boat, held captive by Blackjack. Torch saves Toro, but Blackjack escapes. 

----- 

The Human Torch 4/2 
-2nd story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Blackjack. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg8: continued from previous story 
Planes attack the boat, and Toro is shot. They get him to a hospital. 
Pg9-pg11: next day 
Torch takes out Blackjacks gang all but two. He visits Toro at the hospital. That night, Toro sneaks out to help on the case. 
Pg12-pg20: next day 
Toros buddies show up at the hospital to tell him the guy hes looking for will be at their ball game today. Toro goes and plays in the game. Torch shows up and gets the crook, and sends Toro back to the hospital. Toro reheats the hospitals incubators and saves some babies. Meanwhile, Torch gets Blackjack. 

References: 
Toro should stay in the hospital for a week after being admitted. 

The Human Torch 5A 
-1st story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Dr. Smart. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg2pn6: New York 
Dr. Smart threatens to rob a bank! 
Pg2pn7-pg20: next day 
Dr. Smart robs a bank, fights Torch & Toro, and captures them in a hearse. They escape and chase him, and he eventually runs off a bridge, and the car sinks into the river. Dr. Smart escapes. The police send divers to find the car, but one of Dr. Smarts goons cuts their air lines. Torch and Toro attack the nearby Dr. Smart, but he sets off a bomb! 

The Human Torch 5A/2 
-2nd story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Dr. Smart. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg20: continued from previous story, same night 
Torch and Toro recover and the chase resumes! Dr. Smart catches them and buries them alive, but they escape and defeat him. 

For comparison of the FlashBack mentioned above, heres Invaders 22: 

Invaders #22 

Appearances: 
Captain America(Steve Rogers), Bucky(Bucky Barnes), Namor, Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Spitfire(Jacqueline Falsworth), Union Jack(Montgomery Falsworth), Union Jack II(Brian Falsworth), Prof. Horton-FB, Fred & Nora Raymond-FB, Asbestos Lady-FB. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg3pn5: same day as last issue 
The Invaders go from boat to plane, and reach Britain. Meanwhile, the Torch tells the other Invaders the secret origin of Toro! 
Pg3pn6-pg4: FB 
Retells the beginning of Human Torch #2, same dialogue, redrawn panels, no new information.(Torch finds Toro at the carnival) 
Pg5pn1-pg5pn3: now 
The Invaders chat. 
Pg5pn4-pg6: FB 
Retells the FlashBack from Human Torch #2, same dialogue, redrawn panels, no new information.(Toro parents are killed in a train wreck, hes adopted by carnival fire eaters) 
Pg7-pg8: now 
The Invaders chat. 
Pg9pn1-pg9pn6: FB-months after the creation of the Human Torch 
Torch is feeling lonely, so he visits Prof. Horton who tells him a story 
Pg9pn7-pg10pn2: FB-FB-not long before the creation of the Human Torch 
Hortons assistant Fred Raymond reveals that hes dying from asbestos exposure. 
Pg10pn3: FB-FB-FB 
Fred marries Nora. 
Pg10pn4: FB-FB-FB 
Fred & Nora play with an infant Toro. 
Pg10pn5: FB-FB-FB 
Fred takes medication while watching Toro play. 
Pg11-pg13pn3: FB 
Asbestos Lady attacks the Raymonds,(because Fred is an expert in asbestos, and he may be able to improve her shtick) the Human Torch arrives and drives her off. 
Pg13pn4: FB-FB 
Toro pulls potatoes out of a campfire. 
Pg13pn5: FB-FB 
Toro saves a cat from a burning house. 
Pg13pn6: FB 
The Torch leaves the Raymond residence. 
Pg14pn1: FB-soon afterwards 
Fred finds out that Nora only has a few more weeks to live. 
Pg14pn2: FB-same day as Human Torch 2-FB 
The Raymonds leave their house for their trip on a train. 
Pg14pn3: now 
The Invaders chat. 
Pg14pn4: FB-the day after INV 22-FB pg14pn2 
Torch reads of the train wreck in the paper and assumes that Toro died with his parents. 
Pg14pn5-pg17pn1: FB-same day as Human Torch 2 pg1-pg5pn1 
Both Torch and Asbestos Lady hear about Toro at the carnival, and both guess that its the Raymonds kid. They both go to get him and run into each other and fight. Torch beats Asbestos Lady, and proceeds to the carnival. 
Pg17pn2-pg17pn7: now 
The Invaders chat. 

References: 
Asbestos Lady is currently given a BTS for INV 22-FB, but that should be switched to HUMAN TORCH 2-FB for her. 

With that in mind, here are some updated chronology suggestions: 

Raymond, Fred 
INV 22-FB-FB-FB pg10pn3-pg10pn5 
INV 22-FB-FB Pg9pn7-pg10pn2 
INV 22-FB Pg11-pg13pn3, pg13pn6 
INV 22-FB pg14pn1-pg14pn2 
HUMAN TORCH 2-FB 

Raymond, Nora Jones 
INV 22-FB-FB-FB pg10pn3-pg10pn5 
INV 22-FB Pg11-pg13pn3, pg13pn6 
INV 22-FB pg14pn2 
HUMAN TORCH 2-FB 

Asbestos Lady 
INV 22-FB pg11-pg13pn3 
HUMAN TORCH 2-FB-BTS 
INV 22-FB pg14pn5-pg17pn1 

Toro/Tom Raymond 
INV 22-FB-FB-FB pg10pn4-pg10pn5 
INV 22-FB-FB pg13pn4-pg13pn5 
INV 22-FB pg11-pg13pn3 
HUMAN TORCH 2-FB 
{HUMAN TORCH 2} 
HUMAN TORCH 3 
HUMAN TORCH 3/2 
HUMAN TORCH 3/3 
HUMAN TORCH 4 
HUMAN TORCH 4/2 
HUMAN TORCH 5A 
HUMAN TORCH 5A/2 
YOUNG ALLIES 1 
INV 29-FB 
 

And now, some relevant bits from the Saga of the Human Torch: 

Saga of the Human Torch #1 

Pg1: 
Torch opens his eyes for the first time and sees his creator, Professor Horton. 
Pg2-pg4pn4: 
Repeat of Marvel Comics #1 pg1 
Pg4pn5-pg4pn6: 
Horton turns off the Torchs oxygen and talks to him. 
Pg5pn1: 
Repeat of Marvel Comics #1 pg2pn1 
Pg5pn2: 
People react to news of the Human Torch. 
Pg5pn3-pg5pn6: 
Repeat of Marvel Comics #1 pg3pn7-pg3pn10 
Pg5pn7: 
Horton listens to the press give him a hard time. 
Pg6: 
Torch is educated in his tube for three weeks. 
Pg7pn1-pg7pn4: 
Repeat of Marvel comics #1 pg4pn1-pg4pn6 
Pg7pn5-pg7pn7: 
Horton calls to the Torch. 
Pg7pn8-pg22: 
Repeat of Marvel Comics #1 pg4pn7-pg16 

Saga of the Human Torch #2 

Pg1-pg4pn2: 
Torch gets some clothes, day after Marvel Comics #1 
Pg4pn3-pg5pn3: 
Officer Jim Hammond(Torch) burns off his uniform while apprehending a criminal. 
Pg5pn4-pg5pn7: 
Repeat of Marvel Mystery Comics #7 pg4 
Pg6pn1-pg6pn4: 
Torch talks to his boss & meets Betty Dean. 
Pg6pn5-pg6pn7: 
Repeat of Marvel Mystery Comics #7 pg5pn2 
Pg6pn8-pg7pn3: 
Torch flies away from police headquarters. 
 

The rest is repeated information from Invaders 22s FlashBacks, and then out of the time frame Im currently looking at. 

For those interested in what this is repeating from Marvel Mystery Comics #7: 

Marvel Mystery Comics #7 
-1st story 

Pg1-pg2pn1: 
The Human Torch decides he wants to be a policeman. 
Pg2pn2-pg3: some time later 
Now a police officer, Jim Hammond walks his beat. 
Pg4pn1-pg4pn5: 
Jim Hammond tells his police chief, John C. Wilson, that hes the Human Torch. 
Pg4pn6-pg5pn2: 
Chief Wilson declares the Human Torch the first legal officer without a uniform. 
Pg5pn3-pg12pn5: 
Torch defeats a crooked politician. 
Pg12pn6-pg12pn7: later 
Torch is informed that Namor is tearing up the city! 

Some more updated suggestions: 

HORTON, PROFESSOR PHINEAS T. 
INV 22-FB-FB pg9pn7-pg10pn2 
SAGAHT 1 pg1 
{MARVEL COMICS 1 pg1} 
SAGAHT 1 pg4pn5-pg4pn6 
MARVEL COMICS 1 pg2-pg3 
SAGAHT pg5pn7 
MARVEL COMICS 1 pg4pn1-pg4pn6 
SAGAHT 1 pg7pn5-pg7pn7 
MARVEL COMICS 1 pg4pn7-pg16 
INV 22-FB Pg9pn1-pg9pn6 
M/U 1 
FF 238-FB 
A 135-FB 

HUMAN TORCH/JIM HAMMOND 
SAGAHT 1 pg1 
{MARVEL COMICS 1 pg1} 
SAGAHT 1 pg4pn5-pg4pn6 
MARVEL COMICS 1 pg2-pg3 
SAGAHT 1 pg6 
MARVEL COMICS 1 pg4pn1-pg4pn6 
SAGAHT 1 pg7pn5-pg7pn7 
MARVEL COMICS 1 pg4pn7-pg16 
SAGAHT 2 pg1-pg4pn2 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 4 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 5 
MARVELS 1 pg13 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 6 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 pg1-pg3 
SAGAHT 2 pg4pn3-pg5pn3 
INV 22-FB pg9pn1-pg9pn6 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 pg4pn1-pg4pn5 
SAGAHT 2 pg6pn1-pg6pn4 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 pg4pn6-pg5pn2 
SAGAHT 2 pg6pn8-pg7pn3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 pg5pn3-pg12pn5 
INV 22-FB pg11-pg13pn3, pg13pn6 
INV 22-FB pg14pn4 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 pg12pn6-pg12pn7 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8/2 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 10 
INV 22-FB pg14pn5-pg17pn1 
HUMAN TORCH 2 
HUMAN TORCH 3 
HUMAN TORCH 3/2 
HUMAN TORCH 3/3 
HUMAN TORCH 4 
HUMAN TORCH 4/2 
HUMAN TORCH 5A 
HUMAN TORCH 5A/2 
CA 423 
YOUNG ALLIES 1 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 17 
HUMAN TORCH 5B 
INV 29-FB 
 

Marvels 1 pg13 shows a new scene of the Torch. Phil Sheldon is in a diner with a friend who's reading the newspaper, and mentions the events of Marvel Mystery Comics #5. Snide comments are made, which upsets the nearby Torch, who flies out through the window, melting it. There is another new scene of the Torch and other WWII heroes at the end of issue one... I'm just not that far in the timeline yet. 

Marvel Mystery Comics 8's first story shows Namor tearing up New York, and the Torch shows up at the end. The second story shows Torch cleaning up after Namor, and Namor showing up at the end. Issue 9 & 10 show the actual fight... but I don't have access to those issues yet. 

You may also have noticed I didn't include Marvel Mystery Comics 11 for the Torch. I don't have access to that story, but going by how INV 22-FB leads directly into Human Torch #2, I'd say Marvel Mystery Comics 11 follows Marvel Mystery Comics 10 in Torch's chronology.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 12:36 am    
By Somebody

Col_Fury wrote: 
>>>
There are also two #5s. This Masterworks covers issues 2-5A, and if theres ever a volume 2, it will cover 5B-8.(5B has Namor attacking New York again, but this time under mind control) Why are there two number 5s? Im not sure, Roy didnt cover that in his intro 
<<<

Catchup. By the first #5, it was clear the Torch was a keeper, so they brought the issue numbers in line with the number of issues - to wit, making #6 the sixth issue 

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Thread 54

Posted: 18 Jul 2006 12:44 am    Post subject: Human Torch 2-5A(Namor stories), & misc.
By Col_Fury

The Human Torch 2/2 
-2nd story 

Appearances: 
Namor, Folma-BTS. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg4pn4 : New York 
Various people discuss the Fifth Column sinking four battleships, so Namor goes to investigate. He finds a German submarine in the Baltimore Harbor, then overhears that a battleship will be launched tomorrow. Thinking the Germans will attack, he goes to organize his fleet. 
Pg4pn5-pg12 :Next day 
The Germans attack! Namor saves the battleship from sinking by attaching magnets to the boats, and lifting it with his planes. That night, Namor shows a Navy captain where the German submarine is parked, but the captain cant do anything about it, he doesnt have the authority. So Namor accidentally fires a depth charge at the submarine, gets into his own plane, attaches magnets to the sub and drags it to shore. He calls the Coast Guard to pick up the Germans. 

References: 
Namor was seen swimming around the harbor yesterday, as of page 1. 

Folma organized the fleet, but hes not seen in this story, giving him a BTS. 

This issue was published about the same time as Marvel Mystery Comics 11, 12, & 13. 

The Human Torch 3/3 
-third story 

Appearances: 
Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Toro(Tom Raymond), Namor, Betty Dean, Emperor Thakorr, Lerza, Folma, FDR. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg8: Atlantic Ocean 
Namor comes across molten gold and a brick with a note for him on it from the Torch! He meets with Betty Dean, who mentions the events of the previous two stories to him. Namor sneaks into a German boat docked in New York harbor, and is captured by Nazis. Torch and Toro happen by and free him. They figure the Nazis Namor was fighting are related to the Fifth Columnists that tricked Toro, so Namor goes to Atlantis to organize a fleet to stop them from invading the US. 
Pg9-pg20: next day 
Namors fleet fights off the invading German forces. He then goes to DC, where he learns of another invasion coming within 48 hours. So he goes to clean up after an attack at the Panama Canal, so that US forces can cross over the Pacific, where the other invasion force is coming from. They defeat the invading fleet, and afterwards, FDR thanks Namor personally. That night, a parade is held in Namors honor. 

References: 
Namor mentions that his story from the Human Torch 2/2 was a few months ago. 

Namor meets Toro for the first time. 

This issue was published around the same time as Marvel Mystery Comics 14, 15, & 16. 

The Human Torch 4/3 
-third story 

Appearances: 
Namor, 

Synopsis; 
Pg1-pg2pn2: Alaska 
Theres an influenza epidemic! 
Pg2pn3-pg2pn5: next day 
Medicine is to be sent, but the weathers too bad, so the US asks Namor to get it there in time. 
Pg2pn6-pg10: next day 
On the way to Alaska, Namor is trapped in ice. An army plane crashes and frees him, Namor retrieves the pilot. Theyre picked up by another plane and fly to the town, but icebergs are attacking! Namor takes the plane and blows up the iceberg. However, he accidentally blows up some buildings, and floods the town. He ignites the towns gasoline supply, melts the ice, and the water flows back to the sea. 

References: 
This issue was published around the same time as Marvel Mystery Comics 17, 18, & 19. 

The Human Torch 5A/3 
-third story 

Appearances: 
Namor, Angel(Tom Halloway). 

Synopsis 
Pg1-pg3pn6 : near Bermuda 
Namor is visiting the Angel near Bermuda when he hears about attacking zombies. He goes to investigate. 
Pg3pn7-pg4pn4: FB 
The zombies attack & enslave the island. 
Pg4pn5-pg10 
Namor attacks the zombies! He defeats them, frees the Angel who was captured off panel, and together they discover the zombies were really Nazis in disguise. 

References: 
This issue was published around the same time as Marvel Mystery Comics 20, 21, & 22. 

Hey look! An Angel appearance: 

Angel/Thomas Halloway (1940's hero) 
HUMAN TORCH 5A/3 
CV 1-FB 
 

Angels first appearance was in Marvel Comics 1, and appeared in that book for a while. The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Golden Age 2004 puts this Human Torch appearance at least after Marvel Mystery Comics 20 for the Angel, and before Citizen V & the V-Battalions FlashBacks. Since the Angels stories were standalone adventures, this issue can occur for him after his story in Marvel Mystery Comics 20, where for Namor it can occur before his in the same comic. 

Currently, Captain America 423 is listed incorrectly in Namors chronology. As long as Im in this area of Namors timeline, heres a synopsis for that Captain America issue: 

Captain America 423 
Appearances: 
Captain America(Steve Rogers), Bucky(Bucky Barnes), Human Torch(Jim Hammond), Namor, FDR. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg22: early 1941 
Cap & Bucky fight some Nazi saboteurs, and make their way to meet the President. In New York, Namor and Torch are fighting(again). Namor leaves and heads for Washington. Once there, Namor attacks and kidnaps FDR! Cap follows and they fight, but theyre attacked by more Nazis. Cap & Namor team up and defeat the Nazis, and Namor changes his mind about kidnapping the President. 

References: 
All in one day. 

In this issue, Namor decides to stop attacking New York, and to attack Americas capital instead. FDR tries to explain to Namor that America didnt attack Namors home, it was an accident. By the end of the issue, Namors starting to re-think his position in attacking America at all. 

Captain America is still a fairly new sight in America, not everyone recognizes him. 

This is the first time Namor has met Captain America. 

Namor and Torch are fighting, and not for the first time. There is no Toro present. 

An editors note at the end tells us that shortly after this story, Nazis attack Namors homeland and he declares war against the Axis, which happened in Sub-Mariner Comics 1. That would place Captain America 423 before Sub-Mariner Comics 1 in Namors chronology. 

With the above in mind, heres a suggested chronology update for Namor: 


Sub-Mariner/Namor MacKenzie 
 
MARVEL COMICS 1/3 
SAGASM 2 
MARVEL COMICS 1/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 3/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 4/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 5/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 6/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7-BTS 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8/2 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 10 
*HUMAN TORCH 2/2 
*HUMAN TORCH 3/3 
*HUMAN TORCH 4/3 
*HUMAN TORCH 5A/3 
**CA 423 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 1 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 17 
HUMAN TORCH 5/B 
 

Up to issue 7 of Marvel Mystery Comics, Namor was the third story in every issue. 

The third story of Marvel Mystery Comics 7 shows Namor arriving in New York, then causing havoc. Betty Dean flags Namor down and warns him of the Torch. In the first story of the same issue, Torch is informed that Namor is causing a ruckus. Therefore, the third story occurs before at least the end of the first, and Namor should be given a BTS for that ending of the first story. 

Marvel Mystery Comics #8s first story shows Namor tearing up New York, the second story shows the Torch cleaning up after him, then Namor appears at the end of that second story. 

I dont own the Saga of the Sub-Mariner yet, so I cant give you page/panel ranges for issue 2 being in-between Marvel Comics 1 yet.
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Thread 55

Posted: 14 Jul 2006 08:51 am    Post subject: Ares #1-5
By Frederic Krier

Ares 1 
Ares: God of War Part 1 
March 2006 
W: Mike Oeming P: Travel Foreman I: Derek Fridolfs 

Appearances: Ares, Achilles [BTS], Ajax, Hades [BTS], Neptune/Poseidon, Zeus, Hera, Hercules, Apollo, Athena, Artemis, Dionysus, Alexander Aaron, Mrs. Perrine, Quinn, Hermes, Principal Pastuszak, Detective Mack, an army of undead from Hades, unidentified US soldiers, unidentified Iraqis, unidentified policemen, unidentified Olympians 

Synopsis: Page 1 to 8, panel 1: One day. The heel of Mount Olympus. Ares has been called upon by Zeus to break the tide of the undead armies sent by Hades against Olympus, a feat neither Hercules, Apollo, Poseidon nor the mortals transcendent like Achilles or Ajax were able to accomplish. After Ares destroys a giant robot [?], the battle ends with Hades armies crushed. Ares orders to cut all the corpses in two, burn one half to dust, to be made into bread for the victors to feast on, the other half tossed back down to hell, searching for eternity for their lost part. Ares then walks up the Mount. After throwing the skull of a demon towards some shocked Olympians, he arrives at the hall, where the gods discuss the price of the victory achieved only through calling upon Ares. Ares turns away, unnoticed by the Gods. At that moment, he realizes he will never be one with the Gods of light and vows never to be Ares again. 
Page 8, panel 2-9 : One day. Many years later. A poster on the wall says: Field Trip Planetarium March 16th. Permission slips due March 8th., so its probably late February/Early March. S. Lieberman Elementary School. Somewhere in the USA [possibly Los Angeles?]. Ares, now known as John Aaron meets Mrs. Perrine to discuss the aggressive behaviour of his son Alexander, whos in the third grade. 
Page 9: Later on the same day. Ares picks up Alexander, who played basketball with his buddy Quinn. 
Page 10-11: Later on the same day. Evening. While the TV shows footage from Iraq, Ares and Alexander (who ignores his father is Ares) have a good natured father/son brawl. 
Page 12, panel 1: One day. Presumably the next day. Ares drives Alexander to school and reminds him no fighting! 
Page 12, panel 2-page 14: Later. Sunny weather. Ares is working at a construction site. He is confronted by a young skater, who he identifies after a bit as Hermes. Hermes tells him that Asgard has fallen [in the Ragnark storyline] and Olympus is in danger itself. Ares tells him off rather drastically (shooting a nail through his right foot). As Hermes leaves, the wood house Ares was working upon, crashes down. 
Page 15: Later on the same day. Ares is back home again, watching more footage of the Iraq war and pondering how he could reveal his true nature to Alexander. Then the phone rings. 
Page 16-17, panel 6 : At the Lieberman school, Ares is informed by Mrs. Perrine, principal Pastuszak and detective Mack about the disparition of his son. When detective Mack asks him about the missing social security number of Alexander, Ares angrily rushes off. 
Page 17, panel 7-page 22: Later on the same day. While the TV tells us that earlier today, a mass grave was found beneath a soccer stadium in northern Iraq, Ares chooses weapons from his large hidden arsenal, then proceeds to shave of his hair, back to his traditional mohawk. Meanwhile, detective Mack arrives with several policemen, having discovered that both Alexanders and John Aarons social security numbers are false. At that moment, Ares crashes down the front door and tells the cops to stay the hell out of his way. 

Ares 2 
Ares: God of War Part 2 
April 2006 
W: Mike Oeming P: Travel Foreman I: Derek Fridolfs 

Appearances: Zeus, Achilles, Alexander, Ares, detective Mack, Hera, Hercules, eastern death gods (Mikaboshi, rabbit, eagle, turtle, pig), unidentified Myrmidon, unidentified olympians, unidentified policemen and SWAT teams, undead warriors and slaves. 

Synopsis: Page 1-3: Mount Olympus. The Olympians, led by Zeus and Achilles watch the mount besieged by the undead legions from the east, who spread towards the horizon. Achilles jumps into battle headfirst and calls upon his warriors to join him. Meanwhile, in Achilles stronghold, two of the Myrmidon (Achilles warriors), who seem to be brothers, watch over the sleeping Alexander. 
Page 4-8, panel 2: One day. Immediately after the end of #1. The police open fire on Ares, who is struck down, but raises up again and proceeds to shoot both of detective Macks legs. He then steals a police car. SWAT teams are called in to stop him, but he only causes more destruction. The wounded Mack discusses with two SWAT team members to call in the Avengers or someone. We are informed that the Avengers disbanded, but are back now. 
Page 8, panel 3-page 10: Immediately afterwards. Ares is confronted by Achilles and two Myrmidon. Achilles admits that Zeus has kidnapped the boy in order to force Ares to help Olympus. He reveals that he has been disfigured during the battle with the eastern undead. Ares, Achilles and the Myrmidon then leave Earth. 
Page 11-18: Immediately afterwards. Mount Olympus. The four warriors arrive at Olympus. As it seems, the city has fallen, and Alexander has disappeared from the place Hermes took him to to be watched over by the Myrmidon during the battle. They then fight off several undead, before theyre transported to the halls of Zeus. Ares confronts Zeus, Hercules and Hera. Zeus begs to Ares on his knees to help Hercules and himself to defeat the foe from the east and recover Alexander. 
Page 19: One day. The lands of the eastern dead. Mikaboshi, in serpent form, confers with his fellow eastern gods that he intends to turn Alexander into the new god of war in order to destroy all other pantheons. 
Page 20-23: One day. Alexander wakes up in a japanese-looking setting and is greeted by a geisha. The geisha offers him a drink, actually a truth-revealing potion, which shows him the true nature of his father. After the vision, Alexander falls to sleep again and the geisha is revealed as Mikaboshi. 

Ares 3 
Ares: God of War Part 3 
May 2006 
W: Mike Oeming P: Travel Foreman I: Derek Fridolfs 

Appearances: Ares, Zeus, Hercules, Hera, Achilles, Apollo, Athena, Artemis, Patroclus, Theseus, Ajax, Jason, the Argonauts, Perseus, Odysseus [revealed as deceased BTS], Amatsu Mikaboshi, Alexander, unidentified Olympians, undead warriors. 

Page 1-10: One day. Immediately after #2, page 18. Mount Olympus. Zeus begs for forgiveness, but Ares strikes him down. Zeus tells Hercules and the other Olympians not to move against their only hope. He then asks Hercules to give Ares an overview of the situation. Hercules tells him about the fall of Asgard and the seemingly unrelated attack by Mikaboshi (whose first name is revealed by Achilles as Amatsu) on Olympus, during which many heroes have died, including all but three of the Myrmidon and Odysseus. The gods Apollo and Athena, Patroclus, Ajax, Jason and his argonauts, Perseus (as well as Neptune and Artemis, who are shown in the spread page 6-7, but not named),... are still left to defend Olympus. At that moment, the undead eastern warriors attack again and Ares joins Hercules and the other warriors in the fight. 
Page 11-17: One day. The land of the eastern dead. While he remembers a paper he wrote for Mrs. Perrine about his dad, Alexander has visions of past wars, from the ancient greeks to World War II. Mikaboshi in geisha form convinces him that his father is to blame for all this horror, but that he has to become the new god of war and kill his father  not in order to perputuate war, but to make peace under one strong hand, following the example of the first Chinese emperor Qin Shi Huangdi. 
Page 18-21: One day. Sometime after page 10. At the walls of Olympus.The Olympian warriors are attacked by a giant blue flame. Ares puts himself on fire and asks Hercules to throw him straight into the eastern ranks, which Hercules gladly does. 
Page 22: One day. While Ares rage burns. Zeus is struck down by a dark hand and bleeds heavily from the eyes and the chest. 

Ares 4 
Ares: God of War Part 4 
June 2006 
W: Mike Oeming P: Travel Foreman I: Derek Fridolfs 

Appearances:: Zeus, Alexander, Ajax, Amatsu Mikaboshi, Hercules, Ares, Hera, Asklepios, Hermes, Inari, giant turtle, unidentified Olympians, undead warriors. 

Page 1-10: One day. Moments before #3, page 22. While Zeus coordinates the Olympian troops, he discovers the chained Alexander behind enemy lines, approaches him and introduces himself as his grandfather. Alexander then transforms into a dark demon-like being and stabs Zeus with his demonic fingers. He then returns to Mikaboshi (again in Geisha form). They discuss the evil of the Olympians, before he joins the battle. Meanwhile Ajax discovers the fallen Zeus. The Olympians are then approached by Mikaboshi him[?]self, who puts Alexander to sleep and transforms into a giant black demonic form. Hercules and Ares manage to drive it off. The undead armies recede, but take Alexander with them. 
Page 11-15: One day. Later. In the presence of Hercules and Ares, Hera and Asklepios try to heal the wounded Zeus. At that moment, Hermes, still with his skater-look arrives, and tells them that an old man has been found who refuses to speak to anyone but Zeus. After Ares threatens the old man with a gun, the strangers introduces himself as Inari, the former messenger of the heavens. Inari begs them to ask his own pantheon for help. The proud Olympians however refuse, and Ares orders Hermes to give Inari some water and to see him off to the east. Only Hercules argues, that they could have learned from Inari. 
Page 16-17: One day. Later. Achilles and Ares discuss the situation. 
Page 18-22: One day. Five years later. The eastern lands of the dead. Ares (with a fully-grown mohawk) and Hercules, with the Olympian troops, besiege Mikaboshis castle. Meanwhile, inside, Alexander fights a giant humanoid turtle [possibly even the turtle god from #2?] as a test and cuts it into pieces. He declares that hes ready for his father. 

Ares 5 
Ares: God of War Conclusion 
July 2006 
W: Mike Oeming P: Travel Foreman I: Derek Fridolfs 

Appearances: Ares, Inari, four other eastern lords of light, Alexander, Zeus, Hera, Hercules, Achilles, Patrocles, Apollo, Athena, Amatsu Mikaboshi, Hermes/Mercury, Neptune/Poseidon, unnamed shaman, unidentified Olympians, undead warriors. 

Synopsis: Page 1-3: One day. Presumably the same day as #4, pages 18-22. The eastern lands of the dead. Ares fights the undead legions and Mikaboshi in flame form. 
Page 4: One day. The Japanese version of heaven, presumably. Inari returns at long last to his fellow lords of the light [the remaining ones anyway] and shows them the cup of water he was offered by the greek gods, and tells them to receive it in consideration for their assistance against the dark lord Mikaboshi. 
Page 5-19: One day. Immediately following page 3. Mikaboshi sends Alexander to fight off and kill Ares. Ares and Alexander are separated from the rest of the Olympian troops by a wall of impenetrable flame. First Apollo, then Zeus engages battle with Mikaboshi in dragon form. Apollo gets severely hurt during the battle (impaled on two swords). Although Mikaboshi seems to have the upper hand against Zeus, the father of the gods performs one last act of magic and opens Alexanders eyes, who has just stabbed Ares on his sword moments before, to the truth. At that moment, the eastern lords of the light, accompanied by Hermes [refered to as Mercury throughout this issue], who had schemed with Inari to use the water as a gift from the greek Pantheon, arrive to the rescue. Alexander draws the sword from his fathers wounded body and uses it to cut Mikaboshi in two. At that moment, the undead disappear. Poseidon and the japanese goddess of water cleanse the eastern lands of the dead with a giant flood. Inari and Hermes take off with the wounded Ares and Alexander. 
Page 20-22: One day. Later. Somewhere in the mythic plains of Africa. Ares and Alexander, whose wounds are being looked after by an african shaman [or an african deity of health?] discuss their relationship, Alexanders mother [its complicated, Ares tells us], before they engage in a race through the savannah. The end. 

Comments: 
- Ares last appearance was in Thor (second series) #7. Plutos attack on Olympus in #1 takes place presumably after that issue (where, to the best of my memory, Ares helped to defend Olympus from the dark gods). Even in Marvel time, T2 7 should be a few years back in time, so the fact that Ares has lived on Earth for many years is not so much a problem. Alexander, who is in 3rd grade in the first issue, making him 8 or 9 years old, was probably born before Ares self-imposed exile started, though he doesnt remember anything of his previous existence. 
- The passing of time in this mini-series is really weird. All the action from #1, page 12 to #4, page 10 [plus the two aftermaths of the battle in #4, pages 11-17], presumably takes place on the same day: Ares drives Alexander to school in the morning, gets confronted by Hermes, gets home again, learns that Alexander has disappeared, confronts the police, meets Achilles and gets taken to Olympus, participates in the fight against Mikaboshis troops, Zeus is wounded by the now evil Alexander. However, we have the impression that Alexander spends quite some time, almost certainly several days, if not weeks, with Mikaboshi, before he re-joins the battle in Olympus. This could indicate that time runs much slower in the eastern land of the dead. This would also provide an explanation for the five years later caption in #4. While Alexander has aged 5 years in Mikaboshis realm, not that much time can have passed for the Olympians (OK, Ares hair has grown, Zeus wounds have healed, but still). Hell, it cant have taken Hermes five years to take Inari to the home of the eastern lords of light!!! 
- Mikaboshi has been mentioned before in Thor: Blood Oath #5 and #6, in which his undead legions/demon hordes also appeared. He was mentioned as well in the All-New OHOTMU #3 (Council of Godheads entry) as a member of the Kami, the Japanese pantheon. The Kami and the eastern lords of light should be considered as the same group of gods. Only two of the Kami have AFAIK appeared in Marvel comics: Izanagi (as one of the godheads in Thor # 300, alternate reality versions also in Marvel: The End #2 and What if? (second series) #38) and Ho-Ti (Bizarre Adventures #32 and Marvel Comics Presents #55/4). One of the unnamed gods appearing here does look a bit like Izanagi. Ho-Ti however does not appear, so we can suppose that he was killed by Mikaboshi. The Handbook also mentions Amaterasu and Takamimusubi, who may or may not be among the gods depicted in Ares #5. I have no idea who the animal heads in #2 are supposed to be. 
- There is no conflict with the recent Hercules miniseries, which depicted the Olympian gods as meeting on Earth in mortal guise (in #4 of that series). Ares was not mentioned explicitely as taking part in the meeting, so we can presume that he does not appear in that issue. The appearance of Hermes as a skater actually seems to confirm the Hercules mini. This series takes place almost certainly after the end of the Hercules series. 
- It also has to take place after the existence of the New Avengers is revealed to the world. 
- Dionysus was revealed to have been killed in Thor (second series) #7. He appears here in #1, page 2-3 spread, panel 4, alongside the other greek gods. He has appeared in mortal form in Hercules #4 as well. There are two more godesses in that panel that I dont recognize.

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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 07:47 pm 
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Thanks for this analysis, Frederic. 
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Posted: 14 Jul 2006 07:50 pm    
By Enda80

Black Axe#2 narrates but does not graphically depcit, Susano giving Amaterasu the grasscutter.

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Posted: 15 Jul 2006 06:37 am    
By Enda80

On the possible significance of the Turtle: 

Conan faces Nojingo, the witch-queenline of Yamatai. Yamatai was an 
island country east of Khitai with a sacred volcano. Conan met Yuki-Onna and her armored woman warriors, in a stronghold in a volcano. Nojingo's father was Tawaraline Sho. Nojingo summoned the wind 
demon Vuu-shiin. Tawaraline Sho awakened Yuro-Jiin, the huge tortoise 
on whose broad back all of Yamatai is said to rest. [Savage Sword of Conan#194-195]

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Posted: 15 Jul 2006 07:45 am    
By Kevin W.
Director

I KNEW Enda was going to bring in a Conan reference...I should've placed a bet on it. 
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Posted: 15 Jul 2006 08:46 am    
By Enda80

Since Yamatai was obviously supposed to represent Japan, it seemd appropriate (although the letters page to Savage Sword#159 alleged that Japan had not been discovered in the Hyborian Age, this shows otherwise).

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Posted: 17 Jul 2006 09:10 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Let's see if I have this right with this reformat. One question: where does page 22 of issue #3 fall in relation to pages in issue #4? 


ARES #1 (1-8p1) 
One day. This segment occurs after T2 7, many years before ARES 1 (8-11). At Mount Olympus, Zeus calls upon Ares to break the tide of the undead armies sent by Hades against Olympus, a feat neither Hercules, Apollo, Poseidon, nor the mortals Achilles or Ajax were able to accomplish. After Ares destroys a giant robot, the battle ends with Hades armies crushed. Ares orders to cut all the corpses in two, burn one half to dust, to be made into bread for the victors to feast, the other half tossed back down to hell, searching for eternity for their lost part. Ares then walks up the mount. After throwing the skull of a demon towards some shocked Olympians, he arrives at the hall, where the gods discuss the price of the victory achieved only through calling upon Ares. Ares turns away, unnoticed by the Gods. At that moment, he realizes he will never be one with the Gods of light and vows never to be Ares again. 

ARES #1 (8p2-11) 
One day, many years after ARES 1 (1-8). At S. Lieberman Elementary School, Ares, now known as John Aaron, meets Mrs. Perrine to discuss the aggressive behaviour of his son, third-grader Alexander. Later that day, Ares picks up Alexander, who played basketball with his buddy Quinn. That evening, while watching TV footage from Iraq, Ares and Alexander have a good natured father/son brawl. A poster says: Field Trip Planetarium March 16th. Permission slips due March 8th., so its probably late February or early March. 

ARES #1 (12-22) 
Presumably the day after ARES 1 (8-11). This segment must occur after T2 85 (12-24) and probably after HERC 5. Ares drives Alexander to school and reminds him no fighting! Later, Ares is working at a construction site. He is confronted by a young skater who he identifies as Hermes. Hermes tells him that Asgard has fallen and Olympus is in danger itself. Ares tells him off by shooting a nail through his right foot. As Hermes leaves, the wood house on which Ares was working crashes down. Later that day, Ares is back home again, watching more footage of the Iraq war and pondering how he could reveal his true nature to Alexander. He gets a phone call from Mrs. Perrine, Principal Pastuszak, and Detective Mack about the disappearance of his son. When Mack asks him about the missing social security number of Alexander, Ares angrily rushes off. While the TV news states that earlier today, a mass grave was found beneath a soccer stadium in northern Iraq, Ares chooses weapons from his large hidden arsenal, then proceeds to shave his hair into his traditional Mohawk. Meanwhile, detective Mack arrives with several policemen, having discovered that both Alexanders and John Aarons social security numbers are false. At that moment, Ares crashes down the front door and tells the cops to stay the hell out of his way. Sunny weather. 
ARES #2 
The same day as ARES 1 (12-22). The Avengers are noted as being back now, so this story likely occurs after A4 15. The Olympians, led by Zeus and Achilles, watch Mount Olympus besieged by undead legions from the east, who spread towards the horizon. Achilles jumps into battle headfirst and calls upon his warriors to join him. Meanwhile, in Achilles stronghold, two of the Myrmidon (Achilles warriors), who seem to be brothers, watch over the sleeping Alexander. The police open fire on Ares, who is struck down, but rises up again and proceeds to shoot both of detective Macks legs. He then steals a police car. SWAT teams are called in to stop him, but he only causes more destruction. The wounded Mack tells two SWAT team members to call in the Avengers or someone. Immediately afterwards, Ares is confronted by Achilles and two Myrmidon. Achilles admits that Zeus has kidnaped the boy in order to force Ares to help Olympus. He reveals that he has been disfigured during the battle with the undead. Ares, Achilles, and the Myrmidon then leave Earth. The four warriors arrive at Olympus, which appears to have fallen, and Alexander has disappeared from the place Hermes took him to be watched over by the Myrmidon during the battle. They then fight off several undead before theyre transported to the halls of Zeus. Ares confronts Zeus, Hercules, and Hera. Zeus begs to Ares on his knees to help Hercules and himself to defeat the foe from the east and recover Alexander. In the lands of the eastern dead, Mikaboshi, in serpent form, confers with his fellow eastern gods that he intends to turn Alexander into the new god of war in order to destroy all other pantheons. Alexander awakens in a Japanese-type setting and is greeted by a geisha. The geisha offers him a drink, actually a truth-revealing potion which shows him the true nature of his father. After the vision, Alexander falls to sleep again and the geisha is revealed as Mikaboshi. 
ARES #3 (1-21) 
The same day as ARES 2. On Mount Olympus, Zeus begs for forgiveness, but Ares strikes him down. Zeus tells Hercules and the other Olympians not to move against their only hope. He then asks Hercules to give Ares an overview of the situation. Hercules tells him about the fall of Asgard and the seemingly unrelated attack by Mikaboshi on Olympus, during which many heroes have died, including all but three of the Myrmidon and Odysseus. The gods Apollo and Athena, Patroclus, Ajax, Jason and his Argonauts, Perseus, Neptune, and Artemis are still left to defend Olympus. At that moment, the undead warriors attack again and Ares joins Hercules and the other warriors in the fight. In the land of the eastern dead, Alexander has visions of past wars, from the ancient Greeks to World War II. Mikaboshi in geisha form convinces him that his father is to blame for all this horror, but that he has to become the new god of war and kill his father  not in order to perpetuate war, but to make peace under one strong hand, following the example of the first Chinese emperor Qin Shi Huangdi. At the walls of Olympus, the Olympian warriors are attacked by a giant blue flame. Ares puts himself on fire and asks Hercules to throw him straight into the eastern ranks, which Hercules gladly does. 
ARES #4 (1-x) 
The same day as ARES 3 (1-21). While Zeus coordinates the Olympian troops, he discovers the chained Alexander behind enemy lines, approaches him and introduces himself as his grandfather. Alexander then transforms into a dark demon-like being and stabs Zeus with his demonic fingers. 
ARES #3 (22) 
The same day as ARES 4 (1-10). Zeus is struck down by a dark hand and bleeds heavily from the eyes and the chest. 
ARES #4 (x-17) 
The same day as ARES 3 (22). It is five years before ARES 4 (18-22), but this time reference may be relevant to Mikaboshis realm, not mainstream MU earth. Alexander returns to Mikaboshi (again in Geisha form). They discuss the evil of the Olympians before he joins the battle. Ajax discovers the fallen Zeus. The Olympians are then approached by Mikaboshi, who puts Alexander to sleep and transforms into a giant black demonic form. Hercules and Ares manage to drive it off. The undead armies recede but take Alexander with them. Later, in the presence of Hercules and Ares, Hera and Asklepios try to heal the wounded Zeus. At that moment, Hermes arrives and tells them that an old man has been found who refuses to speak to anyone but Zeus. After Ares threatens the old man with a gun, the stranger introduces himself as Inari, the former messenger of the heavens. Inari begs them to ask his own pantheon for help. The proud Olympians refuse, and Ares orders Hermes to give Inari some water and to see him off to the east. Only Hercules argues that they could have learned from Inari. Later, Achilles and Ares discuss the situation. 

ARES #4 (18-22) 
One day, five years after ARES 4 (x-17), but this time reference may be relevant to Mikaboshis realm, not mainstream MU earth; it is long enough after for Ares hair to have grown and Zeus wounds to have healed. In the eastern lands of the dead, Ares, Hercules, and the Olympian troops besiege Mikaboshis castle. Inside, Alexander fights a giant humanoid turtle as a test and cuts it into pieces. He declares that hes ready for his father. 
ARES #5 
Presumably the same day as ARES 4 (18-22). Ares fights the undead legions and Mikaboshi in flame form. Inari returns at long last to his fellow lords of the light, shows them the cup of water he was offered by the Greek gods, and tells them to receive it in consideration for their assistance against Mikaboshi. Mikaboshi sends Alexander to kill Ares. Ares and Alexander are separated from the rest of the Olympian troops by a wall of impenetrable flame. First Apollo, then Zeus, engage battle with Mikaboshi in dragon form. Apollo is impailed during the battle. Zeus performs one last act of magic and opens Alexanders eyes to the truth. At that moment, the eastern lords of the light, accompanied by Hermes, arrive to the rescue. Alexander draws the sword from his fathers wounded body and uses it to cut Mikaboshi in two. At that moment, the undead disappear. Poseidon and the Japanese goddess of water cleanse the eastern lands of the dead with a giant flood. Inari and Hermes take off with the wounded Ares and Alexander. 
Later...somewhere in the mythic plains of Africa, Alexander and Ares, whose wounds are being looked after by an African shaman, discuss their relationship before they engage in a race through the savannah.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 05:35 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I'm pretty sure the first issue has a throwaway line of dialogue somewhere to the effect that time does indeed run at a different rate in Olympus, which makes it entirely possible to accommodate the story's timeline.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 05:59 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

This might be useful for this series and others as well. Anyone care to quote said line of dialogue?
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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 08:07 am    
By Frederic Krier

Oh, I see which line you mean: on page 1, panel 1, #1, it says: "An uncounted time ago, I stood on the heel of Mount Olympus. (Uncounted, for the times between man and god do not go hand in hand)." 
Still, as I've said time also must run differently in the eastern land of the dead as well (considerably slower anyway than in Olympus). 

Page 22 of #3 would correspond to page 4, panels 2-3 in #4, though there is dialogue from Zeus and Alexander that is not repeated in #4. I would place the page between panels 2 and 3 of that page (panel 2 is the hurt Zeus screaming in pain, panel 3 is Alexander/shadow thing laughing, panel 4 is Alexander/shadow thing taking off, saying "Ahh... the personal touch").

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 08:18 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Thanks for the clarifications, Frederic.
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Thread 56

Posted: 24 Jul 2006 07:05 pm    Post subject: Exiles Volume 1 1-4 (Malibu)
By Dhall

Here they are, the four issues of Malibu's Exiles (Volume 1) 
Now we can really have the great exiles key code debate..... 
And maybe someday an Ultraverse page. 


Malibu  Ultraverse 

Exiles Volume 1 

Exiles 1 

Hunt, Amber 
Soviet/ Tostovich, Fyodor 
Tinsel 
Deadeye 
Trax/ Shepard, Judd 
Deming, Dr. Rachel 
Ghoul 
Catapult 
Mustang 
Faraday, Heather (Rachels assistant) 
Kort, Malcolm 
Hot Rox 
Deeters, Dr. Wendell Halloran, Timothy 
Bloodbath 
Bruut 


Amber is in school, and wishes the place would burn down, which it does. The cause are two rival groups seeking Amber. Supreme Soviet and The Exiles: Tinsel, Deadeye, Trax. Amber runs off, but the Exiles manage to take out Soviet, and capture her. They basically kidnap her, and bring her to their Stronghold, off the California coast, where she meets Dr. Rachel Deming, and Ghoul. Soviet has a meeting with his employer, Malcolm Kort, where he explains that Amber Hunt is still alive. He has Hot Rox put Soviet in a tank to experiment on. Deeters, Malcolms assistant explains that the Theta Virus can transform ordinary people into Potentials, whom, if someone mucks with their RNA, can gain super powers. Since Soviet doesnt have the virus, the process kills him. 
Two more Exiles, Catapult, and Mustang go to rescue another potential, Timothy Halloran. Other agents come to get him as well, Bloodbath, and Bruut. They screw it up, and Bloodbath kills Timothys mother, and takes him. Bruut is left unconscious. 

Exiles 2 
Published September, 1993 

Catapult 
Mustang 
Ghoul 
Deadeye 
Tinsel 
Trax 
Hunt, Amber 
Deming, Dr. Rachel 
Faraday, Heather 
Halter, Kirk (reporter) 

Bruut 
Mastodon/ Halloran, Timothy 
Deeters, Dr. Wendell 
Kort, Malcolm 
Hot Rox/ Roxanne 
Bloodbath 



The police show up. Bruut wakes up and attacks them. The two exiles fight him, but he gets away by stealing a helicopter. Catapult and Mustang escape on one of the Exiles flying craft. Dr. Deming explain to Amber Hunt about the Theta virus. Malcolm Kort offers Timothy the choice to have the treatment, and join him. He refuses, so Hot Rox goes to get him, for the treatment. Meanwhile, the Exiles team plan to rescue Timothy. 
As the Exiles crash in, the tank containing Timothy explodes, with Timothy having been turned into some kind of monster. 

Exiles 3 
Published October 1993 

Tinsel 
Ghoul 
Deming, Dr. Rachel 
Deadeye 
Mustang 
Catapult 
Faraday, Heather 

Mastodon/ Halloran, Timothy 
Bloodbath 
Hot Rox 
Deeters, Dr. Wendell 
Kort, Malcolm 


The Exiles see Timothy, jump to the wrong conclusion, and attack him. Hot Rox drags off Ghoul and Tinsel. The rest of the Exiles pursue Timothy, and fight him at a mall. Back at the Stronghold, Amber cools her heels. Timothy reverts back to his normal human self and runs. Bloodbath tries to rape Tinsel, but she blinds him. He retaliates by shooting and killing her. Ghoul finds her body. 

Second Story 
Rune H- Aladdins Lamp 
All 11 Ultraverse titles published Oct. 1993, have 3 pages of a Rune story. Collect them all kids. This one is Part H. 

Rune 
Agent Oh Niner Six Niner 

Rune is in a desert. An agent makes out a report on him. Rune flies away. 

Exiles 4 
Published, November 1993 

Hunt, Amber 
Faraday, Heather 
Trax 
Ghoul 
Tinsel (deceased) 
Deming, Dr. Rachel 
Deadeye/ Hayes, Frank 
Mustang/ Hartley, Roderick 
Catapult/ Albers, Kevin 

Bloodbath 
Deeters, Dr. Wendell 
Mastodon/ Halloran, Timothy 
Hot Rox 
Kort, Malcolm 
Bruut 





Amber takes a shower. The only clean clothes she can find are a costume. Trax tries to make an advance on Heather, who punches him. Ghoul, whos power is to talk to the dead, talks to Tinsel. She tells him that Bloodbath was the one who killed her. The rest of the Exiles team flies away from the police. Amber gets tired of waiting for Deming to return, and gets into Demings machine, to give herself super powers. Ghoul attacks Bloodbath, and kills him. Ghoul then goes after the rest of Korts team, fighting Hot Rox, and Bruut, then he blows up the generator, killing everyone, including Kort, Deeters, Hot Rox, and Bruut. 
The machine that Amber is in goes out of control. The Exiles race home. A bolt stabs through the night sky towards the machine. The Machine explodes, killing Heather and Trax. The blast, and the ten foot wall of water, kill Catapult, and Mustang. Dr. Deming and Deadeye are swept up in the tsunami. 
Amber Hunt emerges with super powers. 

Ambers story continues in Break-Thru #1..(which is the Ultraverse December cross over miniseries.) 

There you go, four issues about characters who mostly all are killed off.

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Thread 57

Posted: 26 Jul 2006 08:45 pm    Post subject: Exiles 84
By Dhall

Exiles 84 

September 2006 

Exiles: 

Proteus/Morph 
Power Princess 
Longshot 
Heather Hudson 
Blink 
Spider-Man 2099 
Sabretooth 

AOA: 
Magneto 
Rogue 

Timebreakers 
Timebroker 

Alpha Flight Earth-3470 
Gabe O Hara (Miguels brother) 
Soviet Super Soldiers of Earth 3470 

Half of the team goes on vacation; meanwhile Zarda catches Proteus/Morph spying on her in the bath (while disguised as Longshot) and cuts him. Heather breaks it up, and then goes on vacation herself to see her husband. Blink is still visiting Mimics homeworld, Earth #12. Professor X asks her to stay on, and join the X-Men. ON Earth #928, Spider-Man visits his brother. On Earth #295 (AOA Earth) Sabretooth inquires about Wild Child, who has disappeared. On Earth #3470, Heather spends time with her husband, James. The Tallus alerts Sabretooth to an emergency, and the bugs send him to Heathers world, appearing in her bedroom. They quickly summon both teams, the Exiles and Alpha Flight to meet the emergency. The Soviet super soldiers are trying to summon a dark light demon, Chernobog, which if left unchecked will cover the Earths surface in dark light. The Timebreakers convince first Proteus/Morph and then Longshot that they are needed in the battle, leaving no one in the Panoptichron. The teams are able to stop the Super Soldiers. Sabretooth contacts the Timebreakers using the Tallus, but it disappears. The Timebroker appears to let the Exiles know that they have been fired, and that the bugs are going to replace them. The Exiles are now trapped on Heathers world.

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Thread 58

Posted: 23 Jul 2006 05:54 pm    Post subject: Exiles 1-83
By Dhall

Concerned at the lack of Exiles listings in the MCP, I've gone and made up listings for these characters. As almost all of the issues take place in various alternate universes that are never seen again, I've made the decision to only list characters relevant to the Exile book itself, or characters who show up in more than one storyline, such as the characters from the Legacy Planet. For issues that are already analyzed in this form (46-48, 60-61) I've just made a listing for the Exiles characters from those books, as the rest of the relevant information is already in this forum. 

Note that though I have listed appaearances of the "Timebroker." he is not an actual character who should qualify for a listing, but rather a computer program run by first the Timebreakers, and then Hyperion, for purposes of interfacing with the Exiles. 


Exiles 1 

Blink, Nocturne, Magnus, Morph, Mimic, T-Bird 
Timebroker 

The Exiles are brought together, by an entity calling itself the Timebroker. Their origins are briefly referred to, the characters are told that they have become unstuck in time, and are sent to an alternate world to repair it. Told by the Talus to find their teacher, they break into a maximum security prison, and rescue Charles Xavier. Unfortunately, he wants to destroy all humans. 

Flashbacks: Brief origin flashbacks for all six characters. AOA Sinister appears in Blinks sending her to the pens. 

Exiles 2 
Blink, Nocturne, Magnus, Morph, Mimic, T-Bird 
Sunfire 

Half of the team goes to fight Xaviers X-Men, half to rescue Magneto. Magnus gives his life in this effort, and is replaced on the team by Sunfire. They then appear at the trial of Phoenix. 

Exiles 3 
Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 


Exiles 4 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

The Exiles battle the X-Men. In the end Angel and Wolverine kill Phoenix, and the Exiles move onto the next world. 

Exiles 5 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

Weapon X Team: Sabretooth, Deadpool, Kane 

The Exiles encounter the Hulk, then Alpha Flight. The Weapon X team ponders their move. 

Exiles 6 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 


Weapon X Team: Sabretooth, Deadpool, Kane 


T-Bird knocks out the Hulk. 

Exiles 7 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

The Exiles rent rooms, and have dreams, for Marvels Silent month. Nocturne and T-Bird get together for the first time, as do Blink and Mimic 

Exiles 11, occurs chronologically after #7. 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

The Exiles go on vacation. 

Exiles 41, also chronologically after #7. Nocturne narrates her origin. 

Nocturne, Blink BTS 

Exiles 42, continuing from 41. 

Nocturne, Blink 

Exiles 8 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

1st three pages, occur between Exiles 6 & 7 

The Exiles are trapped in an arena on an Earth controlled by Skrulls; meanwhile Galactus is headed towards that Earth. 

Exiles 9 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

Exiles 10 


Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, T-Bird 
Timebroker - BTS 

T-Bird is put into a coma, after facing Galactus, and the Exiles are forced to leave him on Skrull-Earth, taking their new teammate Sasquatch with them instead. 


Exiles 12 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch (Heather Hudson), Sunfire 

Weapon X: Sabretooth, the Spider, Storm, Vision, Deadpool, Hulk (Jen Walters) 

David Richards 

The Exiles and the Weapon X teams work together to free David Richards from the Sentinels. However, it turns out that their real mission is to kill him. 

Exiles 13 


Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch (Heather Hudson), Sunfire 

Weapon X: Sabretooth, The Spider, Storm, Vision, Deadpool, Hulk (Jen Walters), Iron Man 

David Richards 

Timebroker 

Weapon X fights the Exiles. Sabretooth decides to stay on this world and raise David Richards, so that he wont become a monster. 

Exiles 14 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire 
The Exiles must help Dr. Doom defeat Namor. Mimic goes to free Dooms castle, and thinks about his origin. 

Exiles 15 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire 

Mimic fights Namor, the rest of the team liberate Dooms army. 
Exiles 16  This issues framing sequence occurs between issues 15 and 17, but most of the issue consists of various flashbacks with Nocturne and T-Bird. 

Nocturne cant keep fighting without T-Bird. 
Most of the issue is in flashbacks. 
Nocturne, Morph 
In Flashbacks: Nocturne & T-Bird 

Fb to issue 10: no new material 
Fb, which occurs between pages 10 & 21 of issue #3: T-Bird and Nocturne are in a garden on Lilandras spaceship. 
Fb, which occurs between issues 5 and 6, in Canada, Nocturne and T-bird talk. 
Fb, which occurs between the last two pages of issue #6. Nocturne and T-bird talk about her boyfriend, who is James Proudstar, and then they kiss. 
Fb, in the Savage Land, which occurs between panels 1 and2 of page 2 of issue #8: T-bird freaks out, as Nocturne tries to get closer to him. 
Fb, which occurs between panels 2 and 3 of Page 2 of issue #8: T-bird reveals that he doesnt feel that he is worthy of Nocturne. 
Fb, on Skrull Earth, between issues 8 and 9: T-bird and Nocturne discuss her pregnancy. 


Exiles 17 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire 


The Exiles go to a world where Dr. Connors has created a whole race of Lizards. 
Mimic and Blink confront Dr. Connors, who has reverted back to human form. He ends up killing himself. 

Exiles 18 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire 

Other Characters: Mojo, Spiral, Major Domo 

The Exiles are pulled off course to the Mojoverse. According to Mojo, he is unique, and there is only one Mojoverse. Morph and Nocturne are captured, and Morph is forced to star in one of Mojos shows. 

Exiles 19 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire 

Other Characters: Mojo, Longshot 
Timebroker 

Exiles 20 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire 

The Exiles appear on a world, where 70% of the human race, is infected by Warlocks Vi-Locks. 

Others: Spider-Woman/Mary Jane Watson 
Dr. Pym, Captain America 

Exiles 21 


Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire 

Others: Spider-Woman/Mary Jane Watson 
Dr. Pym, Beast, Power Fist, Rhino, Havok, Icegirl, Captain America 


Exiles 22 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik (Illyana Rasputin) 

Others: Spider-Woman/Mary Jane Watson 
Dr. Pym, Beast, Thor, Power Fist, Havok, Icegirl 


Timebroker 

Morph and Rachel Summers summon the Gods of Asgard, whoa re able to help cure the Vi-Locke plague. Blink rescues Mimic, but is sent home by the Timebroker, and replaced by Magik. 

Exiles 23 

Weapon X: Gambit, Vision, Spider, Storm, Angel, Hulk 

The Weapon X team is sent to a world where Tony Stark is the supreme ruler of all Earth. 


Exiles 24 

Weapon X: Gambit, Vision, Spider, Storm, Angel, Hulk, Colossus 
Timebroker BTS 

The Weapon X team fights Wonder Man, and is able to send him to the Negative Zone, along with Weapon X teams Hulk. Her replacement is Colossus. 

Exiles 25 

Weapon X: Gambit, Vision, Spider, Storm, Angel, Colossus 

Stark uses the Weapon X team to attack the Inhumans. The Inhumans choose suicide over captivity. 

Exiles 26 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik 

Japan is under attack by Moses Magnum, the Talus says that the Exiles must prevent the Japanese from being saved. In order to do this they will need to kill the Avengers. They are set to complete the mission, but Sunfire talks them out of it. They split into groups, Sunfire, Nocturne, and Morph, to go help the Japanese, Sasquatch and Mimic, to fight Magnum, and Illyana goes to team-up with the Avengers. Illyana kills a couple of Avengers, and Moses Magnum appears in Tokyo to fight the Exiles. 

Exiles 27 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik 

Illyana continues fighting the Avengers, her brother Peter is with the team. When she is losing, and they are going to kill her, Peter betrays them, and kills them. Illyana finishes the mission by killing the Black Knight. 

Exiles 28- 30 are the first issues of the series to take place on Earth 616. Since Ive already written these up for the Issue Analysis thread (a long time ago) Ill just list the Exiles characters that appear. These issues should already be listed in the 616 characters chronology. 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik 
Timebroker in #28, & 30 
The Timebroker gives the team the mission to stop the Mutant X Havok, who still lives in 616 Havoks subconscious. 

Exiles 31 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik 

The Exiles go to a world where the Avengers are vampires. 

Exiles 32 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik 

The Exiles team up with Union Jack to fight Captain America and his vampires. After Illyana uses the soul sword to kill Cap, Union Jack reveals that he is Baron Blood, and now king of the vampires. Sunfire burns him, completing their mission. The Exiles begin to teleport out of the dimension, but Baron Blood casts a final spell at them, that causes things to go awry. Sasquatch and Morph find themselves in Canada, facing a naked Weapon X project Wolverine. 

Exiles 33 

Sasquatch, Morph 

Flashback: Heathers origin. She was married to Logan, but had to kill him, when he was reactivated by the Weapon X Program. 

Sasquatch and Morph fight Logan, and then run away injured. Heather knocks out, and then hides Morph. She faces Logan, then turns back into human form, and gets through to him, but then she is teleported out of the dimension. 

Exiles 34 

Nocturne, Sunfire 

Other Recurring Characters: Dr. Henry Pym, Spider-Woman, Beast, Thor, Power Fist, Icegirl, Havok, Captain America 

The two Exiles appear back on the planet of the Vi-Locks. Sunfire rekindles her romance with Mary Jane. 

Exiles 35 
Timebroker 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik 

The Exiles are reunited. They tell each other their stories, Illyana was dropped into the ocean for ten minutes, Mimic spent six months on a planet completely infested by Brood. 
Then they are teleported to their next mission, onto Reeds spaceship in the FFs origin. 
They manage to keep the FF alive, but when they get back to Earth, Ben changes into a true Thing and goes on a rampage. 

Exiles 36 
Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik 

Mimic and Sasquatch fight the Thing, while Reed and Morph come up with a plan to stop them. It works, but Mimic is badly damaged in the fight. He asks Heather to kill him, reveling that he was on the Brood Planet for four years, not six months, and is infected with a Brood Egg. He could have coped with his healing factor not under strain, but now it is too late, and he begins to transform into a Brood. 

Exiles 37 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik, Blink 
Timebroker  BTS 

Sunfire dies fighting Brood Mimic, who is eventually cured. Blink comes back as her replacement. 

Exiles 38 

Weapon X: Gambit, Spider, Ms. Marvel, Storm, Colossus, Vision, Hyperion 
Timebroker-BTS 

Storm dies on a mission, and is replaced by Hyperion. The team is on a world where Sentinels have eradicated The X-Men. The mission is to kill all ten remaining mutants. 
Hyperion says they arent going to do it. Hed rather that they stay on this world, and rule it. Meanwhile, in orbit on Asteroid M, Magneto launches a giant asteroid to wipe out the Human Race. 

Exiles 39 

Gambit, Spider, Ms. Marvel, Colossus, Hyperion 

Hyperion takes out the Sentinels, and President Kelly. Magneto shows up to fight him, but loses. 

Exiles 40 
Gambit, Spider, Ms. Marvel, Colossus, Hyperion, Firestar, Hulk II (Bruce Banner) 
Timebroker - BTS 

Hyperion fails to stop the Asteroid. He goes to Asteroid M to kill the remaining mutants. He does so, including Colossus from his own team. 

Exiles 43 


Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik, Blink 

Weapon X Team: Gambit, Spider, Hyperion, Hulk II, Firestar, Ms. Marvel 

Flashback: Gambit, Hyperion, Ms. Marvel, Firestar, Hulk II, Spider 
FB occurs between 40 and 43. Gambit starts lying to Hyperion and the team, so that he can accomplish the missions. Hyperion figures it out, and rips Gambits arm off, along with the Talus. While the team fights, Gambit sneaks off. The Talus reappears on his other arm. 
The Talus tells Gambit that of the twelve of them, between the two teams, only six will be moving on, and the other six must die. 

Exiles 44 
Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Magik, Blink 

Weapon X Team: Gambit, Spider, Hyperion, Hulk II, Firestar, Ms. Marvel 

Flashback: Hyperion makes his demands to take over the Earth. This occurs between issues 43 and 44. 

Timebroker  BTS 

The Exiles come up with a plan to kill Hyperion, but Illyana gets squirrelly, and attacks Sasquatch, then goes to join Hyperion, who kills her. Hyperion kills Hulk II, and Firestar kills Spider, and dies herself. 

Exiles 45 

Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sasquatch, Sunfire, Blink 

Weapon X: Gambit, Ms. Marvel, Hyperion 
Timebroker 

The team fights Hyperion, Blink uses her power to teleport his rays back upon him. Gambit stabs him with Illyanas soulsword, dying in the process. The Timebroker tells Morph that he can go home, but he wants to stay with the Exiles, who are like family now. 

Exiles 46-48 take place on Earth-616. Jeph has already written these issues up for the Issue Analysis board, so I will just list the Exiles characters that appear here. 

Exiles 46 

Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Nocturne, Morph, Namora 
Timebroker - BTS 

Angel Salvadore 
Beak and Angels children. 

Exiles 47 


Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Nocturne, Morph, Namora 

Flashback: Namoras origin. 

Exiles 48 
Timebroker 
Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Nocturne, Morph, Namora 

Angel Salvadore 
Beak and Angels children: Tito named. 


Nocturne stays on Earth-616, and Beak joins the team. 



Exiles 49 

Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

The mission: To free the Impossible Man from the power of the Controller. 

Exiles 50 

Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

The Exiles land in the middle of a trap, set by the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, who were warned of the Exiles arrival by Destiny. Mystique replaces Blink, and uses the team for her own ends, to reassemble the Brotherhood. 

Exiles 51 

Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

Avalanche has Clarice tied up and sedated, but she breaks free, and confronts the BIG M, this worlds version of Mimic. 


Exiles 52 
Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

Earth is under attack by part of Ego, the Living Planet that was left behind. 
The Exiles mission, to stop the Avengers and Doctor Doom. 

Exiles 53 

Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

Ego fight the Celesestials, Reed convinces Earth to attack Ego. Blink takes Dooms machine and teleports it to Ego, which kills Ego. The Celestials rescue Blink, and tell her to Beware the Timebreakers. He is not what he seems. 

Exiles 54 

Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 
Hyperion is BTS, sending the Exiles to the Magic World (as revealed in #64.) 

The mission: Purchase the last cheese Danish at the Bagel Hole. This sets of a chain of events, saving the planet from Deathbird. 
Exiles 55 
Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

The Exiles are on a world transformed by Kulan Gath. Zarathos, the Ghost Rider, has usurped Gaths rule, and it is up to the Exiles to stop him, and restore Kulan Gath to the throne. 


Exiles 56 

Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

Exiles 57 


Beak, Blink, Sasquatch, Mimic, Morph, Namora 

Flashback: Heathers origin story. Heathers experiment goes wrong, and unleashes the Great Beasts, who offer her to save her lifeat a price. 

Heather gives up fighting the Beast, to save the team; she is taken over completely by Tanaraq. Tanaraq gives Selene Kulan Gaths amulet, and she restores the world to normal. 

Exiles 58 
Beak, Blink, Mimic, Morph, Namora, Tanaraq, Heather Hudson 

At an experimental fuel cell factory that the Exiles need to shut down, Tanaraq makes the situation worse, by killing everyone in sight. Tanaraq wishes to confront the Timebroker. His plan is to collect a group of criminal scientists to help him, but it doesnt work out. Beak manages to get help from Shaman, and they are able to separate Heather from Tanaraq, though this means she can no longer change into Sasquatch. 

Exiles 59 

Beak, Blink, Mimic, Morph, Namora 
Sabretooth 

Hyperion is the Timebroker in this issue, as revealed in issue #64. 
Timebroker 

Flashback: Blink finally tells Mimic about what happened when she came back to the world where they left Sabretooth. This occurs between issues 22 and 37. David Richards makes Blink do terrible things to the people who ran the Sentinels. 

In Flashback: Sabretooth, David Richards, Blink. 

Todays mission is Kill Mimic. 
Exiles 60 & 61, Ive already written this up for the Issue thread, due to the AOA connection so Ill just list the Exiles characters here: 

Exiles 60 
Blink, Mimic, Morph, Namora, Sabretooth, Holocaust 

Timebroker 
Hyperion is the Timebroker in this issue, as revealed in issue #64. 

As punishment for not carrying out their last mission the Exiles are transported back to the Age of Apocalypse, where they meet their new teammate, Holocaust. 

Exiles 61 

Blink, Mimic, Morph, Namora, Sabretooth, Holocaust 

Timebroker 
Hyperion is the Timebroker in this issue, as revealed in issue #64. 


Exiles 62 

Blink, Mimic, Morph, Namora, Sabretooth, Holocaust 

Hyperion 
Timebreakers 

In the Stasis Gallery: Beak, Heather Hudson, Daredevil, Maverick, T-Bird, Wolverine, Hulk I, Sunfire, Iron Man, Vision, and Kane 


Flashback: Namora meets the Timebroker. This occurs before her first app. in Issue 46. 

The Exiles reach the Panoptichron. They find that many of their former Weapon X and Exiles teammates are in stasis in a wall. They find the Timebreakers, a race of sentient bugs who are the ones who broke the realities in the first place, and recruited the Exiles to fix them. They also find Hyperion, who has taken over whole operation. He inhales Holocaust, killing him. 

Exiles 63 
Blink, Mimic, Morph, Namora, Sabretooth 
Hyperion 
Timebreakers 

Flashback, after Hyperion was killed by Blink and Gambit, the Timebreakers swept up the bodies of those who died during Exiles 43-45. 
Shown are Hyperion, Hulk II, a blonde woman who is probably Ms. Marvel, and another woman. Since Firestar was incinerated, this is probably Magik. 

Hyperions body starts growing back. A bug refers to him as Weapon X Casualty Eighteen. A monitor shows Mimic fighting the Impossible Man (from Exiles #49.) 


In the Stasis Gallery: Wolverine, Mesmero, T-Bird, Sunfire, Beak, Heather 

The Exiles run, and Hyperion has a conversation with Blink, the Timebreakers set Beak free (Exiles Casualty Six) 

Second Flashback: The Timebreakers find the Panoptichron, and do something that breaks the realities, then recruit the Exiles to fix them. They also created the Timebroker, who is an artificial construct. 

In flashback: Sabretooth, and the six original Exiles, before they were recruited. 


Exiles 64 

Beak, Sabretooth, Mimic, Blink, Namora, Morph 
Hyperion 
Hyperion III? 
Hyperion (Squadron Supreme) 

Timebreakers 
In the Stasis Gallery: Heather 

Flashback: Hyperion takes over the Panoptichron, and orders the Timebreakers to destroy 2 universes. On the monitor Mimic and Sasquatch fight Ego-Earths antibodies, this appears to be a new scene, taking place between panels of Exiles 53. 

Hyperions thoughts turn from destruction to revenge. He sends the Exiles to the Magic World (end of #54.) He allows Tanaraq to join the exiles (#58.) Appearing as the Timebroker, he orders the Exiles to kill Mimic (#59) (Hes also in 60 & 61 as the Timebroker.) 



The Exiles fight Hyperion, while Beak goes for help. Hyperion wounds Mimic, and kills Namora. Beak returns with 2 Hyperions. 


Exiles 65 
Beak, Sabretooth, Mimic, Blink, Morph 
Hyperion 
Hyperion III? 
Hyperion (Squadron Supreme) 
Namora (deceased) 

Timebreakers 

The Hyperions fight, eventually the Timebreakers manage to return Hyperion to his home world. 

Exiles 66 

Heather, Beak, Sabretooth, Blink, Mimic, Morph 
Timebreakers 
Namora (deceased) 

In Stasis Gallery: Daredevil, Hulk II, Ms. Marvel, Gambit, Wolverine, Kane, Maverick. Sunfire, Iron Man, Deadpool, Angel, Hulk I, Storm 


From Legacy Planet: Spider-Woman, Dr. Pym, Beast, Rhino, Frog, Power fist, Icegirl 

Beak revives Heather, and she fetches Dr. Strange from another reality to fix up the wounded. They discuss what to do, then go and bury Sunfire, back on the Legacy planet. Then they go after ran alternate reality Dr. Connors, whom perfected his healing serum. 

Exiles 67 

Earth #3752 
Blink, Sabretooth, Morph, Heather (Exile Casualty Five), Beak 
Timebreakers 

In Stasis Gallery: Kane, Iron Man, Deadpool (Weapon X Casualty Six), Storm, Vision 

The Timebreakers cannot access 616. On 3752, the team has a little trouble with Krakoa. Meanwhile back in the Stasis Gallery, Deadpool is alive. Dr. Strange revives Deadpool, who snaps his neck. 

Exiles 68 

Blink, Sabretooth, Beak, Heather, Morph, Mimic 

Deadpool 
Hulk I (Weapon X Casualty Eight) 

In Stasis Gallery: Kane, Iron Man, Angel  BTS (mentioned as having stable life signs, but not shown) 

Heather revives Hulk I (Jen) Mimic mimics Deadpools abilities, and heals himself. Hulk kills Deadpool. Mimics skin is messed up from absorbing Deadpools powers. The team sends Hulk back home. 


Exiles 69: House of M 
Beak, Heather, Sabretooth, Morph, Blink, Mimic 
Timebreakers 

Angel Salvadore 
Proteus/ Mutant X 

Flashbacks, Beaks life, these are new material. 

Panel 1: Beak discovers he is a mutant, when he begins growing feathers. 
Panel 2: Jean and Scott meet Beaks parents to convince them to send Beak to Xaviers. Sometime before X 117, likely before X 114. 

Panel 3: At some point, Jean and Scott show Beak around the school, also shown are Rockslide, and the brain girl, JOHANSSON, MARTHA. This must be sometime after her coming to the school in 118-120, and also after the storyline in X 125-126. (Perhaps between X 127 and 128.) 

Panel 4: Beak is in placed in Xorns special class along with Angel Salvadore & Basilisk. (Just prior to X 135) 

Panel 5: Angel & Beak have their own house, with their six kids. (This is prior to Exiles #46) 


The Exiles venture to the reshaped House of M world. Proteus is alive here, and takes over Angels body. 

Exiles 70 

Blink, Morph, Mimic, Sabretooth, Beak, Heather 
Timebreakers 

Proteus/ Mutant X in Angels body 
Moira MacTaggert 

The Exiles meet and compare notes with Moira, while Proteus captures Beak. 

Exiles 71 


Blink, Morph, Mimic, Sabretooth, Beak, Heather 
Timebreakers 

Proteus/ Mutant X in Angels body 
Moira MacTaggert 


The Exiles fight Proteus, he tries to take over Moira, but she shoots herself. Then Mimic tries to fight him, using Colossus powers, but he hesitates, and Proteus takes him over. Angel is dying, but Blink injects her with Doc Connors serum. Heather ports the team back to the Crystal Palace, leaving Beak and Angel. The world changes to white as Wandas power activate 

Exiles 72 

Beak, Angel 
Their kids, Tito, Axel, and Kara named. 
Beak and Angel have lost their powers. 

Heather, Sabretooth, Blink, Morph 

Earth-15731, not this is not the real New Universe, which is Earth-148611, per the Handbooks, but an alternate. 

Proteus/ Mutant X in Mimics Body 

Timebreakers 
The Exiles follow Proteus to an alternate version of the New Universe. 

Exiles 73 

Heather, Sabretooth, Blink, Morph 
Proteus/ Mutant X in Mimics Body 
Mojo, Major Domo 

Proteus fights Justice, and takes over his body, while the Exiles confront Star Brand. Heather turns to Mojo for help. 

Exiles 74 

Heather, Sabretooth, Blink, Morph 
Timebreakers 
Mojo 
Major Domo 
Longshot 
Mimic (deceased) 

Heather sends Longshot, who is immune to Proteuss reality warping powers to help the team. They fight, but Proteus escapes. 
Note: Uncanny X-Men 461 is referred to in this story, so this occurs sometime after that issue. 

Exiles 75 

Proteus (in the body of Justice & Hulk 2099) 
Spider-Man 2099 
Heather, Sabretooth, Blink, Morph, Longshot 

The Exiles follow Proteus to a world that is similar to the 2099 universe. 

Exiles 76 

Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Morph, Sabretooth, Blink 
Heather - BTS 

Proteus (in the body of Hulk 2099) 

Spider-Man 2099 joins the Exiles after Proteus blows his secret identity. 

Exiles 77 

Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Morph, Sabretooth, Blink, Heather 
Timebreakers 

Squadron Supreme: Hyperion, Power Princess, Whizzer, Doctor Spectrum, Skymax, Amphibian, Nighthawk 

Proteus (in the body of Hulk 2099) 

According to the Panoptichrons, the Exiles threw off intended history in the last two realities they visited. Recent incursions created new branches of established timelines. 
Proteus has resurfaced on Earth #712, the homeworld of the Squadron Supreme. Proteus appears in the Squadrons world, and helps them out against the Global Directorate. Then he tells them a lie about being friends with Beak, and that the Exiles ditched Beak. Then when they appear the Squadron takes Proteus side in the fight. Proteus disappears, and the Squadron captures the Exiles. 

Exiles 78 
Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Morph, Sabretooth, Blink, Heather 
Timebreakers 
Timebroker (Heather) 

Earth #712: Hyperion, Power Princess, Whizzer, Doctor Spectrum, Skymax, Amphibian, Nighthawk 

In Flashback: Beak, Hyperion 

Still on Earth #712, the Squadron sentences the Exiles. Heather explains everything about the Exiles to the Squadron, and they use the information to expose the Global Directorate. Then Hyperion wishes to join the Exiles, but Power Princess insists that she go instead. 

Flashback: Hyperion recounts how he met Beak, and the Exiles. 

Exiles 79 

Proteus (in the body of Hulk 2099) 

Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Morph, Sabretooth, Blink, Heather, Power Princess 
Timebreakers 


Future Imperfect. I havent read the Future Imperfect storyline, but from what Ive read elsewhere, these issues happen prior to it. 

Rick Jones, Maestro, and Captain Marvel (in flashback) 

The Exiles get a step ahead of Proteus, and team-up with Maestro. Power Princess messes up, and attacks the wrong Hulk 

Exiles 80 

Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Morph, Sabretooth, Blink, Power Princess 
Proteus (in the body of Hulk 2099) 

Maestro 

Flashbacks: Morphs origin. Morph was in the New Mutants, X-Men, and Avengers. 

The Exiles battle Maestro, who battles Proteus. Morph steps in but his piece of metal falls out, and Proteus is able to take him over, and disappear. 

Exiles 81 

Timebreakers 
Heather, Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Sabretooth, Blink, Power Princess 

Proteus, in Morphs body 

Earth #712: Nighthawk, Whizzer 

Counter Earth: Jolt, Jolt, Bucky, Kid Colt, Toro II? 
O, Kay 

Heather saw Morph trying to go to Earth-616, but managed to divert him to Counter-Earth. 


Exiles 82 

Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Sabretooth, Blink, Power Princess, Heather 
Timebreakers 
Proteus, in Morphs body 

Counter Earth: Jolt, Bucky, Kid Colt, Toro II? 
Dorma, O and Kay 

Blinks plan works, she manages to trap Proteus, by making him think that he is Morph. Now, he can only access Morphs memories, and has no idea he is Proteus. 

Exiles 83 

Bodies of: Magnus, Mesmero, Wolverine, Maverick, Kane, Magik, Gambit, Namora, Mimic, Storm, Vision, Colossus, Spider, Ms. Marvel, Hulk II 

Alive: Daredevil, Iron Man, Angel 
T-Bird (Still in Stasis Gallery) 

Power Princess, Proteus/Morph, Heather, Spider-Man 2099, Longshot, Blink, Sabretooth 

The Exiles return home the bodies of fallen teammates from both the Exiles and Weapon X teams.

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Posted: 23 Jul 2006 05:56 pm    
By Dhall

And now for the character listings: 

(edited to revise listings for issues 7,8, and 16-fb) 

Exiles 

BEAK/BARNELL BOHUSK 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 117 
X 119 
X 125 
X 126 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 131 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 135 
X 136 
X 137 
X 138 
X 140 
X 141 
X 146 
X 147 
X 148 
X 149 
X 150 
**EX3 69-FB 
**EX3 46 
**EX3 47 
**EX3 48 
**EX3 49 
**EX3 50 
**EX3 51 
**EX3 52 
**EX3 53 
**EX3 54 
**EX3 55 
**EX3 56 
**EX3 57 
**EX3 58 
**EX3 62 
**EX3 63 
**EX3 64 
**EX3 78-FB 
**EX3 64 
**EX3 65 
**EX3 66 
**EX3 67 
**EX3 68 
**EX3 69 
**EX3 70 
**EX3 71 
**EX3 72 

BLINK 
**EX3 1-FB 
BLINK 3-FB 
ASTONX 3-FB 
AOA:BL 
BLINK 1 
BLINK 2 
BLINK 3 
BLINK 4 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**EX3 63-FB 
BLINK 4 
**BLINK 4 ~ EX3 1 
**EX3 1 
**EX3 2 
**EX3 3 
**EX3 4 
**EX3 5 
**EX3 6 
**EX3 7 
**EX3 8 (pg 1) 
**EX3 8 (pg 2 p1) 
**EX3 8 (pg 2 p2) 
**EX3 8 (pg 2 p3) 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) 
**EX3 8 (pg 4p1) 
**EX3 11 
**EX3 41-BTS 
**EX3 42 
**EX3 8 (pg 4p2) 
**EX3 8 (pg 4p3) 
**EX3 8 
**EX3 9 
**EX3 10 
**EX3 12 
**EX3 13 
**EX3 14 
**EX3 15 
**EX3 17 
**EX3 18 
**EX3 19 
**EX3 20 
**EX3 21 
**EX3 22 
**EX3 59-FB 
**EX3 37 
**EX3 43 
**EX3 44 
**EX3 45 
**EX3 46 
**EX3 47 
**EX3 48 
**EX3 49 
**EX3 50 
**EX3 51 
**EX3 52 
**EX3 53 
**EX3 54 
**EX3 55 
**EX3 56 
**EX3 57 
**EX3 58 
**EX3 59 
**EX3 60 
**EX3 61 
**EX3 62 
**EX3 63 
**EX3 64 
**EX3 65 
**EX3 66 
**EX3 67 
**EX3 68 
**EX3 69 
**EX3 70 
**EX3 71 
**EX3 72 
**EX3 73 
**EX3 74 
**EX3 75 
**EX3 76 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 
**EX3 79 
**EX3 80 
**EX3 81 
**EX3 82 
**EX3 83 

HOLOCAUST 
XCHRON 1 
ASTONX 2-FB 
XCHRON 2/4 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
XCHRON 2 
BLINK 1 
XCHRON 2/2 
**EX3 60-FB 
X:ALPHA 
WX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**EX3 60-FB 
X:OMEGA 
X:PRIME 
X 42 
X 43 
XFOR 48 
XFOR 49 
XFOR 50 
C2 31 
XM 15 
XM 16 
XM 17 
A 402 
XM 44 
**EX3 60 
**EX3 61 
**EX 62 

**MAGIK/Illyana Rasputin 
EX3 22 
EX3 26 
EX3 27 
EX3 28 
EX3 29 
EX3 30 
EX3 31 
EX3 32 
EX3 35 
EX3 36 
EX3 37 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 83 

**MAGNUS 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 1 
EX3 2 
EX3 83 


**MIMIC/Calvin Montgomery Rankin 
EX3 14-FB 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 14-FB 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 14-FB 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 14-FB 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 1 
EX3 2 
EX3 3 
EX3 4 
EX3 5 
EX3 6 
EX3 7 
EX3 8 (pg 1) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p1) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p3) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p1) 
EX3 11 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p3) 
EX3 8 
EX3 9 
EX3 10 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 14 
EX3 15 
EX3 17 
EX3 18 
EX3 19 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 26 
EX3 27 
EX3 28 
EX3 29 
EX3 30 
EX3 31 
EX3 32 
EX3 35 
EX3 36 
EX3 37 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 45 
EX3 46 
EX3 47 
EX3 48 
EX3 49 
EX3 50 
EX3 51 
EX3 52 
EX3 53 
EX3 64-FB 
EX3 53 
EX3 54 
EX3 55 
EX3 56 
EX3 57 
EX3 58 
EX3 59 
EX3 60 
EX3 61 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 64 
EX3 65 
EX3 66 
EX3 68 
EX3 69 
EX3 70 
EX3 71 
EX3 72 
EX3 73 
EX3 74 
EX3 83 

**MORPH 

EX3 80-FB 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 80-FB 
EX3 80-FB 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 80-FB 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 1 
EX3 2 
EX3 3 
EX3 4 
EX3 5 
EX3 6 
EX3 7 
EX3 8 (pg 1) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p1) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p1) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p1) 
EX3 11 
EX3 8 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p2) 
EX3 9 
EX3 10 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 14 
EX3 15 
EX3 16 
EX3 17 
EX3 18 
EX3 19 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 26 
EX3 27 
EX3 28 
EX3 29 
EX3 30 
EX3 31 
EX3 32 
EX3 33 
EX3 35 
EX3 36 
EX3 37 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 45 
EX3 46 
EX3 47 
EX3 48 
EX3 49 
EX3 50 
EX3 51 
EX3 52 
EX3 53 
EX3 54 
EX3 55 
EX3 56 
EX3 57 
EX3 58 
EX3 59 
EX3 60 
EX3 61 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 64 
EX3 65 
EX3 66 
EX3 67 
EX3 68 
EX3 69 
EX3 70 
EX3 71 
EX3 72 
EX3 73 
EX3 74 
EX3 75 
EX3 76 
EX3 77 
EX3 78 
EX3 79 
EX3 80 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 
EX3 83 


**NAMORA 
EX3 47-FB 
EX3 62-FB 
EX3 46 
EX3 47 
EX3 48 
EX3 49 
EX3 50 
EX3 51 
EX3 52 
EX3 53 
EX3 54 
EX3 55 
EX3 56 
EX3 57 
EX3 58 
EX3 59 
EX3 60 
EX3 61 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 64 
EX3 65 
EX3 66 
EX3 83 


**NOCTURNE III/Talia Josephine Wagner 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 41-FB 
EX3 42-FB 
EX3 63-FB 
BLINK 4 ~ EX3 1 
EX3 1 
EX3 2 
EX3 3 
EX3 16-FB (Pg 7 p4-5  Pg 10 p2) 
EX3 3 
EX3 4 
EX3 5 
EX3 16-FB (Pg 10 p3-4  pg 11) 
EX3 6 (pg 1-21) 
EX3 16-FB (pg 12-15 p3) 
EX3 6 (pg 22) 
EX3 7 
EX3 8 (pg 1) 
EX3 16-FB (pg 15 p 4-5, pg 16) 
EX3 8 
EX3 16-FB (pg 17-18) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) 
EX3 16-FB (pg 4 p1) 
EX3 11 
EX3 41 
EX3 42 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p2) 
EX3 8 
EX3 16-FB (pg 20-21) 
EX3 9 
EX3 10 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 14 
EX3 15 
EX3 16 
EX3 17 
EX3 18 
EX3 19 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 26 
EX3 27 
EX3 28 
EX3 29 
EX3 30 
EX3 31 
EX3 32 
EX3 34 
EX3 35 
EX3 36 
EX3 37 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 45 
EX3 46 
EX3 47 
EX3 48 

**PROTEUS 
EX3 69 
EX3 70 
EX3 71 
EX3 72 
EX3 73 
EX3 74 
EX3 75 
EX3 76 
EX3 77 
EX3 78 
EX3 79 
EX3 80 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 
EX3 83 


**SASQUATCH/Heather Hudson 
EX3 57-FB 
EX3 33-FB 
EX3 10 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 14 
EX3 15 
EX3 17 
EX3 18 
EX3 19 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 26 
EX3 27 
EX3 28 
EX3 29 
EX3 30 
EX3 31 
EX3 32 
EX3 33 
EX3 35 
EX3 36 
EX3 37 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 45 
EX3 46 
EX3 47 
EX3 48 
EX3 49 
EX3 50 
EX3 51 
EX3 52 
EX3 53 
EX3 64-FB 
EX3 53 
EX3 54 
EX3 55 
EX3 56 
EX3 57 
EX3 58 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 64 
EX3 66 
EX3 67 
EX3 68 
EX3 69 
EX3 70 
EX3 71 
EX3 72 
EX3 73 
EX3 74 
EX3 75 
EX3 76-BTS 
EX3 77 
EX3 78 
EX3 79 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 
EX3 83 


**SPIDER-MAN 2099 
EX3 75 
EX3 76 
EX3 77 
EX3 78 
EX3 79 
EX3 80 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 
EX3 83 

**SUNFIRE/Mariko Yashida 
EXI 2 
EX3 3 
EX3 4 
EX3 5 
EX3 6 
EX3 7 
EX3 8 (pg 1) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p3) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p1) 
EX3 11 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p2) 
EX3 8 
EX3 9 
EX3 10 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 14 
EX3 15 
EX3 17 
EX3 18 
EX3 19 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 26 
EX3 27 
EX3 28 
EX3 29 
EX3 30 
EX3 31 
EX3 32 
EX3 34 
EX3 35 
EX3 36 
EX3 37 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 66 

**TANARAQ 
EX3 57-FB 
EX3 57 
EX3 58 

**T-BIRD (John Proudstar) 
EX3 1-FB 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 1 
EX3 2 
EX3 3 
EX3 16-FB (Pg 7 p4-5  Pg 10 p2) 
EX3 3 
EX3 4 
EX3 5 
EX3 16-FB (Pg 10 p3-4  pg 11) 
EX3 6 (pg 1-21) 
EX3 16-FB (pg 12-15 p3) 
EX3 7 
EX3 8 (pg 1) 
EX3 16-FB (pg 15 p 4-5, pg 16) 
EX3 8 
EX3 16-FB (pg 17-18) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) 
EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) 
EX3 16-FB (pg 4 p1) 
EX3 11 
EX3 8 (pg 4 p2) 
EX3 8 
EX3 16-FB (pg 20-21) 
EX3 9 
EX3 10 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 83 

Weapon X Team: 

SABRETOOTH 
XCHRON 1 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2-FB 
ASTONX 3-FB 
AOA:BL 
XCHRON 2 
**XAOAONE 1 
BLINK 4 
**XAOAONE 1/ 2 
{X:ALPHA} 
ASTONX 1 
ASTONX 2 
ASTONX 3 
ASTONX 4 
AMAZX 4 
X:OMEGA 
**EX3 63-FB 
**EX3 5 
**EX3 6 
**EX3 12 
**EX3 13 
**EX3 59-FB 
**EX3 59 
**EX3 60 
**EX3 61 
**EX3 62 
**EX3 63 
**EX3 64 
**EX3 65 
**EX3 66 
**EX3 67 
**EX3 68 
**EX3 69 
**EX3 70 
**EX3 71 
**EX3 72 
**EX3 73 
**EX3 74 
**EX3 75 
**EX3 76 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 
**EX3 79 
**EX3 80 
**EX3 81 
**EX3 82 
**EX3 83 


**ANGEL 
EX3 23 
EX3 24 
EX3 25 
EX3 66 
EX3 68-BTS 
EX3 83 

**COLOSSUS 
EX3 24 
EX3 25 
EX3 38 
EX3 39 
EX3 40 
EX3 83 


**DAREDEVIL 
EX3 62 
EX3 66 
EX3 83 

**DEADPOOL 
EX3 5 
EX3 6 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 66 
EX3 67 
EX3 68 


**FIRESTAR 
EX3 40 
EX3 43-FB 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 

**GAMBIT 
EX3 23 
EX3 24 
EX3 25 
EX3 38 
EX3 39 
EX3 40 
EX3 43-FB 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 45 
EX3 66 
EX3 83 

**HULK/Jen Walters 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 23 
EX3 24 
EX3 62 
EX3 66 
EX3 68 

**HULK II/Bruce Banner 
EX3 40 
EX3 43-FB 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 66 
EX3 83 

**HYPERION 
EX3 38 
EX3 39 
EX3 40 
EX3 43-FB 
EX3 43 
EX3 44-FB 
EX3 44 
EX3 45 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 64-FB 
EX3 54-BTS 
EX3 59 (as the Timebroker) 
EX3 60 (as the Timebroker) 
EX3 61 (as the Timebroker) 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 64 
EX3 65 


**IRON MAN 
EX3 13 
EX3 62 
EX3 66 
EX3 67 
EX3 83 

**KANE 
EX3 5 
EX3 6 
EX3 62 
EX3 66 
EX3 67 
EX3 68 
EX3 83 

**MAVERICK 
EX3 62 
EX3 66 
EX3 83 

**MESMERO 
EX3 63 
EX3 83 

**MS. MARVEL 
EX3 38 
EX3 39 
EX3 40 
EX3 43-FB 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 45 
EX3 63-FB 
EX3 66 
EX3 83 

**SPIDER/Peter Parker 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 23 
EX3 24 
EX3 25 
EX3 38 
EX3 39 
EX3 40 
EX3 43-FB 
EX3 43 
EX3 44 
EX3 83 

**STORM/Ororo Munroe 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 23 
EX3 24 
EX3 25 
EX3 38 
EX3 66 
EX3 67 
EX3 83 

**VISION 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 23 
EX3 24 
EX3 25 
EX3 38 
EX3 62 
EX3 67 
EX3 83 

**WOLVERINE 
EX3 62 
EX3 63 
EX3 66 
EX3 83 

Legacy Planet : 

**CAPTAIN AMERICA 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 34-BTS 

**BEAST 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 34 
EX3 66 

**FROG 
EX3 21 
EX3 66 

**HAVOK 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 34 

**ICEGIRL 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 34 
EX3 66 

**POWERFIST 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 34 
EX3 66 

**Pym, Dr. Henry 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 34 
EX3 66 

**RHINO 
EX3 21 
EX3 34 
EX3 66 

**SPIDERWOMAN/Mary Jane Watson 
EX3 20 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 
EX3 34 
EX3 66 
**Summers, Rachel 
EX3 21 
EX3 22 

**THOR 
EX3 22 
EX3 34 

EARTH-616 : 

BASILISK V/ 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 135 
X 136 
X 137 
X 138 
X 140 
X 146 
X 147 
X 148 
X 149 

**BOHUSK, AXEL 
X 141 
X 147 
X 149 
X 150 
EX3 69-FB 
EX3 46 
EX3 48 
EX3 72 

**BOHUSK, KARA 
X 141 
X 147 
X 150 
EX3 69-FB 
EX3 46 
EX3 48 
EX3 72 

**BOHUSK, TITO 
X 141 
X 147 
X 149 
X 150 
EX3 69-FB 
EX3 46 
EX3 48 
EX3 72 

CYCLOPS 
.. 
X 112 
UX 393 
X 113 
TB 57 
TB 58 
CYCLOPS 1 
CYCLOPS 2 
CYCLOPS 3 
CYCLOPS 4 
UX 394 
XFOR 116 
W2 174-FB 
XF2 1 
W2 173 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 114 
X 115 
X 116 
X '01 
X 139-FB 
X '01 
X 117 
X 118 
X 119 
X 120 
X 121 
X 122 
X 123 
X 124 
X 125 
X 126 
ORDER 5 
ORDER 6 
BHOOD 8 
X 127 
**EX3 69-FB 
CHAMBER 1 
X 128 
X 131 
UX 411 
UX 412 
UX 416 
UX 421 
CHAMBER 4 
UX 423 
UX 424 
UX 425 
UX 426-BTS 
X 134 
X 135 
X 136 
X 137 
X 138 
UX 429 
ASM2 57 
ASM2 58 
ASM 500 
X 138 
X 139 
NM2 10 
X 142 
X 143 
X 144 
X 145 
X 146 
X 149 
X 150 


JOHANSSON, MARTHA 
X 118 
X 119 
X 120 
X 134 
X 135 
X 136 
X 137 
X 138 
X 140 
X 146 
X 147 
X 148 
X 149 
X 150 

LONGSHOT 
.. 
M/FAN2 4 
M/FAN2 5 
W2 102.5 
XFOR 59 
XFOR 60 
XFOR 61 
LSHOT2 1 
**EX3 19 
**EX3 74 
**EX3 75 
**EX3 76 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 
**EX3 79 
**EX3 80 
**EX3 81 
**EX3 82 
**EX3 83 




MAJOR DOMO 
 
M/FAN2 4 
M/FAN2 5-FB 
M/FAN2 5 
XB 
XBR 
**EX3 18 
**EX3 73 
**EX3 74 

MOJO 
 
XFOR 76-FB-BTS 
XFOR 76-FB-BTS 
XFOR 76 
XB 
XBR 
**EX3 18 
**EX3 19 
**EX3 73 
**EX3 74 

Phoenix IV 
.. 
X 112 
UX 393 
X 113 
TB 57 
TB 58-BTS 
CYCLOPS 1 
UX 394 
W2 174-FB-BTS 
XF2 1 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 114 
X 115 
X 116 
XU2 6-FB 
X '01 
X 117 
X 118 
X 119 
X 120 
X 121 
X 122 
X 123 
X 124 
X 125 
X 126 
XX 9 
ORDER 5 
UX 407 
XX 18 
X 127 
**EX3 69-FB 
XX 19 
X 128 
X 129 
X 130 
X 131 
X 132 
X 133 
UX 411 
UX 421 
XX 23 
UX 423 
UX 424 
UX 425 
UX 426-BTS 
X 135 
X 138 
X 139 
X 140 
X 141 
ALIAS 28 
NM2 7-FB 
X 146 
X 148 
X 149 
X 150 

SALVADORE, ANGEL 
X 118 
X 119 
X 120 
X 122 
X 123 
X 124 
X 125 
X 126 
X 131 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 135 
X 136 
X 137 
X 138 
X 140 
X 141 
X 146 
X 147 
X 148 
X 149 
X 150 
**EX3 69-FB 
**EX3 46 
**EX3 48 
**EX3 69 
**EX3 70 
**EX3 71 
**EX3 72 

ROCKSLIDE/SANTO VACARRO 
**EX3 69-FB 
NM2 7 
NM2 8 
NM2 9 
NM2 10 
NM2 13 


SPIRAL 
XCAL 107 
XCAL 108 
XCAL 109 
XCAL 110 
XBR 
**EX3 19 

XORN 
X 132-FB 
X '01 
X 122 
X 123 
X 124 
X 125 
X 126 
X 127 
UX 425 
UX 426-BTS 
**EX3 69-FB 
X 135 
X 136 
X 137 
X 138 
UX 430 
X 138 
X 140 
X 141 
X 146 
X 147-FB 
X 147 
X 148 
X 149 
X 150 

Squadron Supreme : 

AMPHIBIAN 
SQS 1 
SQS 2 
SQS 3 
SQS 4 
SQS 5 
SQS 12-FB 
SQS 6 
SQS:NWO 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 

DOCTOR SPECTRUM 
A3 5 
A3 6-FB 
A3 6 
A '98 
SQS:NWO 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 

HYPERION 
. 
A3 5 
A3 6-FB 
A3 6 
A '98 
SQS:NOW 
**EX3 78-FB 
**EX3 64 
**EX3 65 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 

NIGHTHAWK III/NEAL 
SQS:NOW 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 
**EX3 81 

POWER PRINCESS 
.. 
A3 5 
A3 6-FB 
A3 6 
A '98 
SQS:NWO 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 
**EX3 79 
**EX3 80 
**EX3 81 
**EX3 82 
**EX3 83 

SKYMAX/SK'YM'X/"JAMES DOE" 
SQS 4-FB 
{SQS 1-FB} 
SQS 9-FB 
SQS:NOW 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 

WHIZZER II 
. 
A3 5 
A3 6-FB 
A3 6 
A '98 
SQS:NOW 
**EX3 77 
**EX3 78 
**EX3 81 

Age of Apocalypse: 

SINISTER 
AOA:SB 
FX 3-FB 
AOA:SB 
**EX3 1-FB 
XM -1 
XM 4-FB 
XM 1-FB 
FX 3-FB 
**EX3 60-FB 
{X:ALPHA} 
FX 1 
XM 1 
XM 2 
XM 3 
XM 4 
**EX3 60-FB 
**XAOAONE 1/ 4 ~ XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 5-FB 
**XAOA 2 
**XAOA 5 
**XAOA 6 

Future Imperfect: 

Jones, Rick 
EX3 79 

MAESTRO 
**EX3 79 
**EX3 80 
CM5 29 
CM5 30 
{H:FI 1} 
H:FI 2 
H2 460 
H2 461 


House of M: 
**MacTaggert, Moira 
EX3 70 
EX3 71 

Counter-Earth: 

**BUCKY 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 

JOLT 
 
TB 72 
TB 74 
TB 75 
**EX3 81 
**EX3 82 

**KID COLT 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 

**O and Kay 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 


**TORO II 
EX3 81 
EX3 82 



Miscellaneous: 
**Richards, David 
EX3 12 
EX3 13 
EX3 59-FB 

**HYPERION III? (Alternate Universe Hyperion) 
EX3 64 
EX3 65

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 12:49 am    
By Somebody

Dhall wrote: 
Exiles 7 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

The Exiles rent rooms, and have dreams, for Marvels Silent month. Nocturne and T-Bird get together for the first time, as do Blink and Mimic 

Exiles 11, occurs chronologically after #7. 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

The Exiles go on vacation. 

Exiles 41, also chronologically after #7. Nocturne narrates her origin. 

Nocturne, Blink BTS 

Exiles 42, continuing from 41. 

Nocturne, Blink 

Exiles 8 

Blink, Nocturne, Morph, Mimic, Sunfire, T-Bird 

1st three pages, occur between Exiles 6 & 7 

The Exiles are trapped in an arena on an Earth controlled by Skrulls; meanwhile Galactus is headed towards that Earth. 

Actually, an utterly minor point shows that the framing sequence of Exiles #42-43 occurs before #11 - since TJ and Clarice are wearing bikinis in 42-43, but they've gone nude sunbathing on their last day in #11, it goes (inc. only the issue 16 fbs that fall in this range, and splitting the opening pages of 8 around #7 and 11, since #7 and #11 are two of the realities we see in that montage... come to think of it... should we split that montage up?) - oh, and EX2 is All-New Exiles, the Juggy-naut series. I'll just use EXILES... Italics turning on or off indicate a change of reality...): 


BLINK/CLARICE FERGUSON | AoA/EXILES 
[...] 
EXILES 6 
EXILES 8 (1) 
EXILES 8 (2p1) 
EXILES 8 (2p2) 
EXILES 8 (2p3) 
EXILES 8 (3p2) 
EXILES 8 (3p3) 
EXILES 7 
EXILES 8 (4p1) 
EXILES 8 (4p2-p3) 
EXILES 41-BTS 
EXILES 42 
EXILES 11 
EXILES 8 (rest) 
[...] 

NOCTURNE III/TALIA JOSEPHINE "T.J" WAGNER | EXILES 
[...] 
EXILES 6 (1-21) 
EXILES 16-FB (12-15p2) 
EXILES 8 (1) 
EXILES 16-FB (15p3-16) (same reality as Exiles #8 (2p1), but no character overlap) 
EXILES 8 (2p2) 
EXILES 8 (3p2) 
EXILES 16-FB (17-19) 
EXILES 7 
EXILES 8 (4p1) 
EXILES 8 (4p2) 
EXILES 41 
EXILES 42 
EXILES 11 
EXILES 16 (20-21) 
EXILES 8 (rest) 
[...] 

THUNDERBIRD/JOHN PROUDSTAR | EXILES 
[...] 
EXILES 6 (1-21) 
EXILES 16-FB (12-15p2) 
EXILES 6 (22) 
EXILES 8 (1) 
EXILES 16-FB (15p3-16) (same reality as Exiles #8 (2p1), but no character overlap) 
EXILES 8 (2p2) 
EXILES 8 (3p2) 
EXILES 16-FB (17-19) 
EXILES 8 (3p3) 
EXILES 7 
EXILES 8 (4p1) 
EXILES 8 (4p2) 
EXILES 41 
EXILES 42 
EXILES 11 
EXILES 16 (20-21) 
EXILES 8 (rest) 
[...] 


MORPH 
[...] 
EXILES 6 
EXILES 8 (1) 
EXILES 8 (2p1) 
EXILES 8 (2p2) 
EXILES 8 (3p1) 
EXILES 8 (3p2) 
EXILES 8 (3p3) 
EXILES 7 
EXILES 8 (4p1) 
EXILES 8 (4p2) 
EXILES 11 
EXILES 8 (rest) 
[...] 


SUNFIRE/MARIKO YASHIDA | EXILES 
[...] 
EXILES 6 
EXILES 8 (1) 
EXILES 8 (2p2) 
EXILES 8 (2p3) 
EXILES 8 (3p2) 
EXILES 8 (3p3) 
EXILES 7 
EXILES 8 (4p1) 
EXILES 8 (4p2) 
EXILES 11 
EXILES 8 (rest)[/o] 
[...] 


MIMIC 
[...] 
[i]EXILES 6 
EXILES 8 (1) 
EXILES 8 (2p1) 
EXILES 8 (2p2) 
EXILES 8 (2p3) 
EXILES 8 (3p2) 
EXILES 8 (3p3) 
EXILES 7 
EXILES 8 (4p1) 
EXILES 8 (4p2-p3) 
EXILES 11 
EXILES 8 (rest) 
[...]

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 05:58 am    
By Dhall

Um....have you checked the key? 

EX EXILES (by MALIBU) 
EX2 EXILES VOL. 2 (by MARVEL) 

If the Code EXILES gets used for anything, it will be for the first volume of Malibu's Exiles..... 

As memory serves, they are on that planet for a week, just how long do you think they were going nude for? I disagree with you, as the beginning of 11, shows Blink trying to get rid of Morph, so the nude sunbathing was occuring that same day. Either the framing sequence from 42-43 occurs between pages of issue 11, or more likely it's on a completely different day, as like I said, the Exiles are on that planet for a week, providing plenty of time to go to the beach. 

Quote: 
>>>
but they've gone nude sunbathing on their last day in #11, 
<<<

You are mistaken, they are going nude sunbathing on thier first day on the planet (out of a weeks time)[quote]

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 06:02 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
>>>
Panel 1: Beak discovers he is a mutant, when he begins growing feathers. 
Panel 2: Jean and Scott meet Beaks parents to convince them to send Beak to Xaviers. Sometime before X 117, likely before X 114. 

Panel 3: At some point, Jean and Scott show Beak around the school, also shown are Rockslide, and the brain girl, JOHANSSON, MARTHA. This must be sometime after her coming to the school in 118-120, and also after the storyline in X 125-126. (Perhaps between X 127 and 128.) 

Panel 4: Beak is in placed in Xorns special class along with Angel Salvadore & Basilisk. (Just prior to X 135) 

Panel 5: Angel & Beak have their own house, with their six kids. (This is prior to Exiles #46)  
<<<


On what page of EXILES 69 do these panels appear?
_________________
Paul B.

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 07:29 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I think the Key might need clarifying here. Between them, Marvel and Malibu published three books called "EXILES" or some close variant. The first EXILES volume was a Malibu Ultraverse series. The second volume, ALL-NEW EXILES, was the Malibu book that featured the Juggernaut and some other characters on loan from the Marvel Universe. The third volume is EXILES, the current ongoing series. 

It's clear from the listings that the MCP is using EX for ALL-NEW EXILES and EX2 for the current volume of EXILES. The first EXILES book doesn't require a code because it only featured Ultraverse characters. But the Key lists EX as "EXILES (by Malibu)", which isn't right. The book in question is ALL-NEW EXILES - or, if you're being somewhat laxer, EXILES vol 2. Calling it "EXILES (by Malibu)" gives the unfortunate impression that the code refers to the original, Ultraverse book.
_________________
-- Paul O'Brien

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 07:50 am    
By jephyork
Director

Agreed. I suggest something ANEX for the Malibu series, which read "All-New Exiles" in both the logo and indicia. 

Quote: 
>>>
On what page of EXILES 69 do these panels appear? 
<<<

From memory, page 1. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 08:04 am    
By Dhall

While I agree with Jeph, that the codes are confusing and should be changed, I just don't see it happening. That said we have: 

EXILES - 1st Volume Malibu Exiles series, not in key, probably due to the fact that no one has submited analysis of these issues. (Which I think I will do, just so we can have all of the EXILES series analyzed.) 

EX - 2nd volume of Malibu Title on comics is All New-Exiles, title in key is Exiles (by Malibu) 

EX2 - listed in key as Exiles Vol.2 (by Marvel) 

Even if we changed the code of EX to something like ANE, or ANEX, we'd still have Marvel's Exiles as EX2. 

Perhaps we could change the key to read: 

EX - Malibu's All-New Exiles or Exiles Vol.2 

What would probably make the most sense, is if we had 
EX (or EXILES) - original series 
EX2 - All-New Exiles 
and 
EX3 referring to the current series.

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 08:42 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Dhall wrote: 
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While I agree with Jeph, that the codes are confusing and should be changed, I just don't see it happening. 
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Actually, a search and replace wouldn't be that difficult. From the look of it, the only other codes with "EX" are a couple of Malibu Exiles spin-off books and the SPECIAL EDITION X-MEN one-shot, which rejoices in the code SEX 1. 

I think changing the Key would be fine, mind you, but there are fewer EX codes out there than you might think. 


Dhall wrote: 
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EXILES - 1st Volume Malibu Exiles series, not in key, probably due to the fact that no one has submited analysis of these issues. 
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Well, there's no need. That series was published before Marvel bought out the company. As far as I know, it has no Marvel Universe elements at all.
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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 09:46 am    
By Dhall

No, it wouldn't be technically complex to change the codes. 

Quote: 
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Well, there's no need. That series was published before Marvel bought out the company. As far as I know, it has no Marvel Universe elements at all. 
<<<

I do not understand the reasoning here. If Marvel bought Malibu, and merged the Ultraverse into the Marvel Multi-verse, which they clearly did, then the earlier Ultraverse books are clearly canonical to Marvel, they just have no bearing on Earth-616.

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 12:25 pm    
By jephyork
Director

And thus no bearing on us.  

-Jeph!

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 12:32 pm    
By Dhall

So Jeph and Paul, 

Are you saying that the Ultraverse isn't as canon, as say M2, The New Universe, 2099, etc.? That is exactly the catagory I would think that the Ultraverse falls into. 

If you're saying that you just don't care about the Ultraverse books, except to the extent that they affect the listings of characters from the mainstream MU, well that I can completely understand.

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Posted: 24 Jul 2006 01:29 pm    
By jephyork
Director

The latter. 

-Jeph!

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Agreed, but if someone doesn't analyze The Exiles, Vol. 1 Malibu series, then what is the practical reason to change the codes? 

As it is, it's just an idea we keep mentioning every time we discuss the Ultraverse on the board. 

I'd like to see them changed, just because the ones we have now seem to confuse people. 

And if we're going to eventually use A4 for New Avengers, and XCAL4 for New Excalibur, which I'm guessing we will, then shouldn't EX2 be for All-New Exiles?

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 08:22 am    
By jephyork
Director

Personally, I've never agreed with that system. I wish we reflected the "New" in a book's title, like we do with NEW Mutants and NEW X-Men. 

We're about to run into a situation where we'll have two Avengers books running simultaneously -- and it strikes me as kind of counter-intuitive to have New Avengers be A4 and Mighty Avengers be something like MA. 

I know, Russ will say that the codes might just as easily be ASYG and K77F, but I think we all know that at a certain level we design the codes for easy reading. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 09:38 am    
By Dhall

Since there was no Mutants series, I'm not sure New Mutants is a good example, but yes, I think the codes should be designed for maximum clarity and easy reading. 

I know the situation with the Exiles codes confuses people.... 

Quote: 
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and it strikes me as kind of counter-intuitive to have New Avengers be A4 and Mighty Avengers be something like MA. 
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A4 and A5 perhaps? 

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 10:00 am    
By Kevin W.
Director

But New Avengers is the one that's a direct continuation from where the old Avengers title ended. The upcoming "Mighty Avengers" is a spin off, (like West Coast Avengers was long ago...and West Coast Avengers is WCA in the Key). 

Along those same lines, the current ongoing Exiles is not a direct continuation of the old Malibu Exiles, (or the "All New Exiles" from when Marvel bought Malibu). I would prefer the current Exiles to be "EX", (as in Exiles vol. 1 in the Key).
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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 11:38 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

jephyork wrote: 
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Personally, I've never agreed with that system. I wish we reflected the "New" in a book's title, like we do with NEW Mutants and NEW X-Men. 
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Huh? We don't reflect the "New" in NEW X-Men (at least the first New X-Men title). 

The "New" is just a publishing strategy. 

And as for NEW Mutants, the New is reflected in the code because that's the name of the group, just like NEW Warriors and FANTASTIC Four. With three exceptions, we don't use the superfluous adjectives that go with the titles. We've never used Mighty Thor, Mighty Avengers, Invincible Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Captain America Living Legend of World War II or Savage Sub-Mariner. 

We've never depended heavily on the indicia for determining codes. The Silver Age Annuals didn't put "Annual" in the indicia. The indicia treated it as an issue of the regular title. 

The three exceptions are Amazing Spider-Man, Uncanny X-Men and Fantastic Four World's Greatest Comic Magazine. The reason we use adjectives in these books is because there were adjectiveless books being published at the same time. 

And the point I was making by claiming that keys could just as easily say "XKTRKR" was not that we don't need to be concerned about quickly communicating what a code refers to (of course, it's an issue), but that we don't have to follow a strict set of rules and patterns for codes, and having each code be determined by how we've treated other codes. 


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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 01:26 pm    
By Somebody

Dhall wrote: 
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Um....have you checked the key? 

EX EXILES (by MALIBU) 
EX2 EXILES VOL. 2 (by MARVEL) 

If the Code EXILES gets used for anything, it will be for the first volume of Malibu's Exiles..... 
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I checked the key, yes, but since All-New Exiles was published after Marvel took over Malibu and involved MU characters, I misinterpreted. I don't see any reasonable way to treat ANE as Ex v1, all the same. 


Dhall wrote: 
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As memory serves, they are on that planet for a week, just how long do you think they were going nude for? I disagree with you, as the beginning of 11, shows Blink trying to get rid of Morph, so the nude sunbathing was occuring that same day. Either the framing sequence from 42-43 occurs between pages of issue 11, or more likely it's on a completely different day, as like I said, the Exiles are on that planet for a week, providing plenty of time to go to the beach. 
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Other way around - they're not nude in 42. I misread the opening of #11, I grant you, though - I thought it was their last day, not the first. The rest of my suggested changes though, on the interweaving between the montage at the start of #8, stands though.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 02:08 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Dhall wrote: 
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jephyork wrote: 
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it strikes me as kind of counter-intuitive to have New Avengers be A4 and Mighty Avengers be something like MA. 
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A4 and A5 perhaps? 
<<<

Since both series are running at the same time, I'd say no. 


Administrator wrote: 
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jephyork wrote: 
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I wish we reflected the "New" in a book's title, like we do with NEW Mutants and NEW X-Men. 
<<<

Huh? We don't reflect the "New" in NEW X-Men (at least the first New X-Men title). 
<<<

I was referring to the current New X-Men book, actually. 


Administrator wrote: 
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as for NEW Mutants, the New is reflected in the code because that's the name of the group ... we don't use the superfluous adjectives that go with the titles. 
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Personally, I've never considered "New" to be the same kind of superfluous adjective as "Mighty" or "Invincible". The latter two are descriptive, punchy terms that showcase a character or team's power and/or coolness -- they make you want to pick up the book. "Wow, the Hulk is incredible! The Sub-Mariner is savage! That must mean some kick-ass action!" 

Whereas, "New" only indicates to me that this is a different team ... I'm not sure how many people pick it up going "wow, the Avengers are new! That must mean some kick-ass action!" To me, the "New" IS part of the group's name. They're NOT the Avengers -- they're the New Avengers. 


Administrator wrote: 
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the point I was making by claiming that keys could just as easily say "XKTRKR" was not that we don't need to be concerned about quickly communicating what a code refers to (of course, it's an issue), but that we don't have to follow a strict set of rules and patterns for codes, and having each code be determined by how we've treated other codes. 
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Okay, we don't HAVE to -- but why don't we do it anyway? Surely it makes the codes just that much more intuitive... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 05:20 pm    
By Dhall

Quote: 
>>>
I checked the key, yes, but since All-New Exiles was published after Marvel took over Malibu and involved MU characters, I misinterpreted. I don't see any reasonable way to treat ANE as Ex v1, all the same. 
<<<

Somebody, 
Then we are both on the same side of the great exiles code debate. The current codes are confusing people. 


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The rest of my suggested changes though, on the interweaving between the montage at the start of #8, stands though. 
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I had a little difficulty understand your post, but if I understand it correctly, you are breaking out Exiles 8 (4p1,4p2-3) and proposing that they should go between issue 7 and issue 41. 

Am I understanding you correctly? 

In my notes, I have first three pages, go between issue 6 and 7. 

Is there any real reason to believe that p4 panel 1, is set on the same world as 11,41,42? Yeah, it certainly could be the same world. (or p4 p3 for that matter.) 

Issue 11 only states that they are on that world for a week (as does issue 8) It gives no real clue to the order of events, between p4 of issue 8, issue 11, 41-42. 

So, without any particular judgement of the sequence of events on my part, would you care to lay out your reasoning behind your proposed sequence? 

Thanks! 

Dave

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 06:07 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I've adjusted the Key. EX is Exiles vol 1, by Malibu; EX2 is Exiles vol 2, by Malibu; EX3 is Exiles, by Marvel. If a visitor looks up "All New Exiles," they'll be pointed to EX2, same as we do for New Defenders. 


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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 09:12 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

Well that solves that... 

Aren't we supposed to argue about it for 10 pages and then wait 6 months before something gets resolved?!? 
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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 01:47 am    
By Somebody

Dhall wrote: 
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>>>
I had a little difficulty understand your post, but if I understand it correctly, you are breaking out Exiles 8 (4p1,4p2-3) and proposing that they should go between issue 7 and issue 41. 

Am I understanding you correctly? 

In my notes, I have first three pages, go between issue 6 and 7. 

Is there any real reason to believe that p4 panel 1, is set on the same world as 11,41,42? Yeah, it certainly could be the same world. (or p4 p3 for that matter.) 

Issue 11 only states that they are on that world for a week (as does issue 8) It gives no real clue to the order of events, between p4 of issue 8, issue 11, 41-42. 

So, without any particular judgement of the sequence of events on my part, would you care to lay out your reasoning behind your proposed sequence? 
<<<

The Exiles #9 letters page teases Exiles #11 by saying it's set before Worlds Apart (which is obvious now, oc, but at the time was a way of not spoiling the death at the end of #10), and to look back at the opening pages of #8 for a glimpse of the world in question. And 8:4p1 is the hotel depicted in Exiles #7.

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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 05:54 am    
By Dhall

Quote: 
And 8:4p1 is the hotel depicted in Exiles #7 


Well, how do we tell that? One hotel room looks a lot like any other hotel room. 

I've had a chance to look over my notes, the issues, and break up issue 8, into discrete pieces. Issue 7 happens a bit earlier than we had assumed, before the team visits the Savage Land in #8. I'm going to post the changes I'm going to make to the listings that appear earlier in the thread, and then I'm going to go back and edit those listings, so that all the listings will be in one place. 

Dave 


** denotes a change/addition to my previous listings 

Nocturne 
. 
EX3 6 (p 1-21) on Alpha Flight World 
EX3 16-FB (p 12-15 p3) After T-Bird brought down the Hulk 
EX3 6 (p 22) Clubbing with Northstar 
**EX3 7 On Hotel World (Nocturne and T-Bird get together for the first time.) 
**EX3 8 (pg 1) 
**EX3 16-FB (pg 15 p4-5, pg 16) On Savage Land World (T-bird says theyre not doing this again, Nocturne runs off) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p2) Working for Pres. Tony Stark 
**EX3 16-FB (pg. 17-18) Working for Pres. Tony Stark (T-Bird apologizes for last week at the lagoon, and wonders why Nocturne would want to be with a monster. She tells him she doesnt want anyone else.) 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) X-Babies world 
**EX3 8-FB (pg 4 p1) All six Exiles in one hotel room. 
(EX3 7 On Hotel World) Remove this one! 
EX3 11 On Beach World The Nude sunbathing/Lingerie shopping incident. 
(Note: Morph says we got a week to kill, team only has their costumes to wear, no changes of clothes, Sunfire lures Morph away by wishing to pick up clothes and lingerie for the week. Blink, Nocturne, and Mimc appear in the buff, costumes laying on beach.) 
EX3 41 On Beach World While wearing a bikini, Nocturne narrates part of her origin to Blink. 
EX3 42 On Beach World While wearing a bikini, Nocturne narrates part of her origin to Blink. (Note that in issue #11, they didnt have any clothes but their costumes, so 41 and 42, must come after they had some time to go shopping.) 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4panel 2) All six Exiles on beach, Blink, T-Bird, and Nocturne in their costumes, Sunfire in one piece, Mimic obscured by trees. Since the narration is talking about events later shown in issue #11, in the past tense, I look at this as most likely being the Exiles last day on this world. 
(EX3 16-FB) Remove these ! 
(EX3 8) 
(EX3 16-FB) 
EX3 8 Main portion of the issue, on Skrull-Earth 
EX3 16-FB (Pg 20-21) On the Skrull World 
EX3 9 on Skrull-Earth 
 

T-Bird 
 
EX3 6 (p 1-21) 
EX3 16-FB (p 12-15 p3) After T-Bird brought down the Hulk 
**EX3 7 On Hotel World (Nocturne and T-Bird get together for the first time.) 
**EX3 8 (pg 1) 
**EX3 16-FB (pg 15 p 4-5, pg 16) On Savage Land World (T-bird says theyre not doing this again, Nocturne runs off) 
EX3 8 (pg 2 p2) Working for Pres. Tony Stark 
**EX3 16-FB (pg. 17-18) Working for Pres. Tony Stark (T-Bird apologizes for last week at the lagoon, and wonders why Nocturne would want to be with a monster. She tells him she doesnt want anyone else.) 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) X-Babies world 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) Antelope Men world 
**EX3 8-FB (pg 4 p1) All six Exiles in one hotel room. 
(EX3 7 On Hotel World) Remove this one! 
EX3 11 On Beach World The Nude sunbathing/Lingerie shopping incident. 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4 panel 2) All six Exiles on beach, Blink, T-Bird, and Nocturne in their costumes, Sunfire in one piece, Mimic obscured by trees. 
(EX3 16-FB) Remove these ! 
(EX3 8) 
(EX3 16-FB) 
EX3 8 Main portion of the issue, on Skrull-Earth 
EX3 16-FB (Pg 20-21) On the Skrull World 
EX3 9 on Skrull-Earth 
. 

Blink 
 
EX3 6 (p 1-22) on Alpha Flight World 
**EX3 7 On Hotel World (Blink and Mimic get together for the first time.) 
**EX3 8 (pg 1) 
**EX3 8(pg 2 p1) On Savage Land World 
EX3 8 (pg2 p2) Working for Pres. Tony Stark 
**EX3 8 (pg 2 p3) On the Gamma Planet 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) X-Babies world 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) Antelope Men world 
**EX3 8-FB (pg 4 p1) All six Exiles in one hotel room. 
(EX3 7 On Hotel World) Remove this one! 
EX3 11 On Beach World The Nude sunbathing/Lingerie shopping incident. 
EX3 41-BTS On Beach World While wearing a bikini, Nocturne narrates part of her origin to Blink. 
EX3 42 On Beach World While wearing a bikini, Nocturne narrates part of her origin to Blink. 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4 panel 2) All six Exiles on beach, Blink, T-Bird, and Nocturne in their costumes, Sunfire in one piece, Mimic obscured by trees. Since the narration is talking about events later shown in issue #11, in the past tense, I look at this as most likely being the Exiles last day on this world. 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4 Panel 3) Mimic and Blink have sex. We cannot really tell where they are. 
EX3 8 (main part of issue) on Skrull-Earth 
EX3 9 on Skrull-Earth 
.. 

Morph 
 
EX3 6 (p 1-22) on Alpha Flight World 
**EX3 7 On Hotel World (Morph naps.) 
**EX3 8 (pg 1) 
**EX3 8 (Pg 2 p1) On Savage Land World 
EX3 8 (pg2 p2) Working for Pres. Tony Stark 
**EX3 8 (pg 2 p 1) ON the world of the Spider-Demon 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) X-Babies world 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) Antelope Men world 
**EX3 8-FB (pg 4 p1) All six Exiles in one hotel room. 
(EX3 7 On Hotel World) Remove this one! 
EX3 11 On Beach World The Nude sunbathing/Lingerie shopping incident. 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4panel 2) All six Exiles on beach, Blink, T-Bird, and Nocturne in their costumes, Sunfire in one piece, Mimic obscured by trees. 

EX3 8 (rest of issue) on Skrull-Earth 
EX3 9 on Skrull-Earth 
.. 

Mimic 
.. 
EX3 6 (p 1-22) on Alpha Flight World 
**EX3 7 On Hotel World (Blink and Mimic get together for the first time.) 
**EX3 8 (pg 1) 
**EX3 8 (Pg 2 p1) On Savage Land World 
EX3 8 (pg2 p2) Working for Pres. Tony Stark 
**EX3 8 (pg2 p3) On the Gamma Planet 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) X-Babies world 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) Antelope Men world 
**EX3 8-FB (pg 4 p1) All six Exiles in one hotel room. 
(EX3 7 On Hotel World) Remove this one! 
EX3 11 On Beach World The Nude sunbathing/Lingerie shopping incident. 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4p2) All six Exiles on beach, Blink, T-Bird, and Nocturne in their costumes, Sunfire in one piece, Mimic obscured by trees. 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4p 3) Mimic and Blink have sex. We cannot really tell where they are. 
EX3 8 (rest of issue)on Skrull-Earth 
EX3 9 on Skrull-Earth 
. 

Sunfire 

. 
EX3 6 (p 1-22) on Alpha Flight World 
**EX3 7 On Hotel World (Sunfire dreams about her life, and her parents) 
**EX3 8 (pg 1) 
EX3 8 (pg2 p2) Working for Pres. Tony Stark 
**EX3 8 (pg2 p3) On the Gamma Planet 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p2) X-Babies world 
**EX3 8 (pg 3 p3) Antelope Men world 
**EX3 8-FB (pg 4 p1) All six Exiles in one hotel room. 
(EX3 7 On Hotel World) Remove this one! 
EX3 11 On Beach World The Nude sunbathing/Lingerie shopping incident. 
**EX3 8 (Pg 4 panel 2) All six Exiles on beach, Blink, T-Bird, and Nocturne in their costumes, Sunfire in one piece, Mimic obscured by trees. 
EX3 8 on Skrull-Earth 
EX3 9 on Skrull-Earth 
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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 08:46 pm    
By Dhall

Quote: 
>>>
I've adjusted the Key. EX is Exiles vol 1, by Malibu; EX2 is Exiles vol 2, by Malibu; EX3 is Exiles, by Marvel. If a visitor looks up "All New Exiles," they'll be pointed to EX2, same as we do for New Defenders.  
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Oh, by the way, Thank You! 

Dave H

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Thread 59

Posted: 02 Jul 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Alan Smithee
By rhod

The Daredevil story arc 338-341 is credited to writer 'Alan Smithee'. 
(for those who don't know, Alan Smithee is an alias used in Hollywood, for incidents where a film has been altered so much by the producers that the director does not wish to lend his name to it). 

Assuming that a similar case happened here, and that a writer's work was so heavily edited that he felt it was no longer his original story, my questions are these: 

Who was the original writer? 
What was edited? 

Hopefully someone on this site was paying more attention to comic news in 1994 than I was....
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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 12:14 pm    
By Ant-Man

Dan Chichester wrote those issues. 

Here's some info on the whole messed up editorial situation that kept his name out of those issues: 

http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2005/07/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-9.html 

(it's halfway down the page)
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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 01:54 pm    
By JLH

I just noticed an Alan Smithee credit on a Marvel book last night, "Team X 2000". For a fictional writer, he sure gets around!

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Posted: 02 Jul 2006 03:58 pm    
By Dhall

Would you admit to writing Team X 2000? <grin>

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 11:16 am    
By rhod

thanks Ant-Man!
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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 12:33 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Wow, DG Chichester wrote Team X 2000? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 12:42 pm    
By JD

Dhall wrote: 
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Would you admit to writing Team X 2000? <grin> 
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Mackie and Austen have published worse X-Books under their own names. Heck, it's no worse than some of the dreck Lobdell was writing at the same time.

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 05:29 pm    
By Dhall

Quote: 
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Mackie and Austen have published worse X-Books under their own names. 
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So has Claremont.....BUt the fact that Team X 2000 was published under a psuedonym, implies that the person who wrote it, KNEW they were writing dreck. I'm not so sure that the other X-writers we've mentioned were that aware.... 

Does anyone know who really wrote the book in question?

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Posted: 03 Jul 2006 11:23 pm    
By JLH

Dhall wrote: 
>>>
Does anyone know who really wrote the book in question? 
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Technically, it was a co-writer who used the Smithee name. The other co-writer was Sean Ruffner. 

Course, there's always the other option, a writer asking to have their name removed from a book and having no replacement, such as Mark Waid did with Captain America vol 3 #14 (due to editorial rewriting by Harras and the Bullpen).

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Posted: 04 Jul 2006 11:43 am    
By SeanCurtin

And even then, Marvel forgot to remove Waid's name from the cover credits. 

-Sean

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Thread 60

Posted: 18 Jul 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Coming from Marvel in October
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Just posted over at Newsarama. The highlights:- 

- ULTIMATE POWER #1 (of 9). Brian Bendis and Greg Land do a crossover between ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR and SUPREME POWER. 

- CIVIL WAR continues in CIVIL WAR #6, CIVIL WAR: FRONT LINE #9-10, CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #4, CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #4, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #537, CAPTAIN AMERICA #23, DAREDEVIL #90, FANTASTIC FOUR #542, HEROES FOR HIRE #3, IRON MAN #13, MS MARVEL #8, NEW AVENGERS #25, PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #2 and WOLVERINE #47. 

- AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL launches with a first isuse, and a zero issue recapping the story to date. 

- DOCTOR STRANGE: THE OATH #1 (of 5) by Brian Vaughan and Marcos Martin, strongly hinted to be the lead-in to a new team book. 

- IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN, a new ongoing series by Robert Kirkman and Phil Hester. A SHIELD grunt gets hold of the Ant-Man suit and becomes the world's worst superhero. 

- MARVEL TEAM-UP is cancelled with issue #25. 

- Two more STAN LEE MEETS one-shots. 

- GIANT-SIZE WOLVERINE #1, featuring an unusually generous 34-page lead story by David Lapham and David Aja, plus reprints of X-MEN #6-7. 

- HELLSTORM: SON OF SATAN #1 (of 5), by Alexander Irvine and Russell Braun. A Max imprint miniseries. 

- CRIMINAL, a new ongoing series by Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips under the Icon imprint. 

Trade paperbacks, besides the obvious recent material:- 

- MARVEL MASTERWORKS collects TALES OF SUSPENSE #1-10 and an eighth volume of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. 

- DOCTOR STRANGE: THE MONTESI FORMULA collects DOCTOR STRANGE #58-62 and two background stories. 

- ESSENTIAL MARVEL HORROR vol 1 collects a clutter of Hellstorm and Satana stories from assorted sources.
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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 12:29 pm    
By Ross

What's up with Marvel being so diligent about reprinting the horror stuff in Essentials? Now we have Essential Werewolf by Night, Monster of Frankenstein, and 4 (!!) volumes of Dracula. And yet stuff that seems truly "essential" (Namor, Nick Fury, Captain Marvel) remains out of print. 

Have they found that the horror stuff sells better? Maybe it has crossover appeal that the superhero stuff doesn't? I'm curious.

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 12:37 pm    
By Somebody

Well, after the first volume was cancelled due to low expectations and an outcry meant it turned up six months late, the Essential Tomb of Dracula volumes apparently sold VERY well, enough for them to do a v4 with non-ToD Dracula stories and complete the aborted 70s adaptation of the original novel. The other stuff is presumably following in its' wake.

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Posted: 18 Jul 2006 10:15 pm    
By JLH

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
>>>
- MARVEL TEAM-UP is cancelled with issue #25. 
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Oh no, now where will useless crossovers with creator-owned books and storylines with cop-out endings be printed now? 


Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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- IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN, a new ongoing series by Robert Kirkman and Phil Hester. A SHIELD grunt gets hold of the Ant-Man suit and becomes the world's worst superhero. 
<<<

...Question answered. 


Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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- DOCTOR STRANGE: THE MONTESI FORMULA collects DOCTOR STRANGE #58-62 and two background stories. 
<<<


Odd choice. The story that ended Marvel's use of vampires for over a decade comes into print just after Blade starts up his new series. I suppose if it sells enough, they'll do a "Vampiric Verses" TPB next.

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 03:54 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Ross wrote: 
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Have they found that the horror stuff sells better? 
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In a word, yes. ESSENTIAL DRACULA did very, very well in the bookstores and they're running with that. The seventies horror books feature some of the best known characters in fiction. They have a much, much bigger potential audience than C-list (or even B-list) superhero books from the sixties and seventies. Only the really hardcore Silver Age fan, or the really hardcore Fantastic Four fan, is going to get worked up about a book like ESSENTIAL HUMAN TORCH. 

Frankly, I'd question in what sense Namor or Captain Marvel can really be described as "Essential"; they're workhorse titles from their period featuring characters of dubious appeal who rarely appear any more. I don't think they have any particular claim to priority over the seventies horror books. A stronger argument could be made for ESSENTIAL NICK FURY, AGENT OF SHIELD, on the strength of the highly influential Steranko run, but HOWLING COMMANDOS isn't desperately important. 

Of course, we long since passed the point where the word ESSENTIAL denoted anything more than the format. (ESSENTIAL ANT-MAN?)
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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 07:01 am   
By Somebody

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
Of course, we long since passed the point where the word ESSENTIAL denoted anything more than the format. (ESSENTIAL ANT-MAN?) 

Essential-to-fans-of-Ant-Man rather than Essential-reading?

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 07:07 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I'm sure all twelve of them must have been thrilled.
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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 05:01 pm    
By SeanCurtin

As far as I can tell, the really niche stuff (Captain Marvel, Sgt. Fury, Tales of Suspense, Golden Age stuff) is being reprinted in the Marvel Masterworks format, with the Essentials being used for more mainstream or mass-market-friendly material. Ant-Man and Human Torch probably got their Essentials because there was just enough material to fill one volume apiece, and because they were the two remaining unreprinted early Silver Age superhero series. 

-Sean

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 06:13 pm    
By Somebody

Now, of course, it might be an Amazon "ghost" rather than something upcoming, but... 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0785121153/202-2195863-7306224?v=glance&n=266239

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 09:57 pm    
By Ross

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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Frankly, I'd question in what sense Namor or Captain Marvel can really be described as "Essential"; they're workhorse titles from their period featuring characters of dubious appeal who rarely appear any more. 
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Namor, one of Marvel's first and most prominent characters, has "dubious appeal"? I definitely disagree. And not only did Captain Marvel have 3-4 different series, but his first title laid the groundwork for most of the "cosmic" titles since. There's also his starring role in a little graphic novel you might have heard about. If the Essentials exist even partially to keep old stuff around for Silver Age fans, they've got to cover these characters. 


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Of course, we long since passed the point where the word ESSENTIAL denoted anything more than the format. (ESSENTIAL ANT-MAN?) 
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My point exactly. If Ant-Man gets an Essential, then it says to me that they're committed to keeping "classic" stuff in print, even if it's not a movie tie-in or a mass appeal character. And if that's the approach you're going to have in mind, then the 1960s/70s Namor, Captain Marvel, and Nick Fury:Agent of SHIELD titles are glaring omissions, in the face of Essential Godzilla, Moon Knight, Howard the Duck, Son of Satan, etc.

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 01:05 am    
By Nathan P. Mahney

A the rate they're churning the Essentials out they're bound to hit the secondary Silver Age material eventually.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 01:14 am    
By JLH

Nathan P. Mahney wrote: 
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A the rate they're churning the Essentials out they're bound to hit the secondary Silver Age material eventually. 
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Not before they hit "Essential Stories Ripped Off From "A Christmas Carol".

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 03:01 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Ross wrote: 
Namor, one of Marvel's first and most prominent characters, has "dubious appeal"? I definitely disagree. And not only did Captain Marvel have 3-4 different series, but his first title laid the groundwork for most of the "cosmic" titles since. There's also his starring role in a little graphic novel you might have heard about. If the Essentials exist even partially to keep old stuff around for Silver Age fans, they've got to cover these characters. 


Namor and Captain Marvel are both characters who have consistently failed to support their own title, at least in the last twenty years. The characters are well-known, but not especially popular as leads. They're in the same category as the Martian Manhunter over at DC. And it's not as though their Silver Age stories have anything much going for them besides a moderately well-known star. They're not especially well-remembered, they're not acclaimed, they don't feature any stories that still play a crucial part in continuity. They're just... old stories, featuring B-list heroes. I can't honestly say I've ever heard people lament the fact that NAMOR THE SUB-MARINER is out of print, on any grounds other than "It's a sixties title and they should all be reprinted." 

Of course there's a market out there for them - there are enough completists that Marvel could sell a few thousand copies of ESSENTIAL ANYTHING - but it's not an especially large one. I can easily understand why Marvel would rather direct the budget towards something like ESSENTIAL X-FACTOR, or even ESSENTIAL DEFENDERS, which has the combined appeal of two B-list heroes, the borderline-A-list Doctor Strange, and the unequivocally A-list Hulk.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 03:59 am    
By Somebody

Paul O'Brien wrote: 
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ESSENTIAL DEFENDERS, which has the combined appeal of two B-list heroes, the borderline-A-list Doctor Strange, and the unequivocally A-list Hulk. 
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Curious as to why you divide Strange off from Namor & the Surfer. 

All three have had several series, the Surfer's 90s series lasted longest (149 issues + the Galactus mini that was commissioned as a Surfer arc; vs Strange's 90 and Namor's 62), all three are semi-frequent guest-stars who have had minis fairly recently/currently/in the near future.

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 10:39 am    
By rhod

I saw that 'Essential Golden Age' too, and nearly got excited until I remembered Amazon's history of inaccuracy. I'll wait til I see it in an official solicitation, I think. 
Then again, Essential Horror sounded pretty unlikely to me when I first saw that, and it came true.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 11:34 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Strange is a character who's still fairly prominent and who serves as a lynchpin in the Marvel Universe. Even if he can't sustain his own title, we see an awful lot of him. He's the magical equivalent of Nick Fury, a character who doesn't need his own book to remain a big player. Surfer and Namor frankly don't do a great deal, especially not after their last major ongoing titles were cancelled in in 1998 and 1995 respectively. Cosmic stories and Atlantis have both become little more than Marvel Universe continuity backwaters over the last decade, notwithstanding the current attempt in ANNIHILATION to revive the former genre.
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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 11:38 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Somebody wrote: 
All three have had several series, the Surfer's 90s series lasted longest (149 issues + the Galactus mini that was commissioned as a Surfer arc; vs Strange's 90 and Namor's 62) 


If you want to get pedantic, Strange's 90-issue series continued from his series in Strange Tales vol. 2, which continued from Dr. Strange vol. 2, which continued from his serial in Marvel Premiere. Adding all of those up, that's almost 200 issues of near-continuous publication. 

-Sean

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 12:16 am    
By JLH

The belief that only A-list characters should get Essentials is absurd to me. These things don't pander directly to the uber-fan, not like the Masterworks do. These are cheap stock, B&W, low priced bundles meant to be read in lieu of having the original issues, barely in addition to. If anything, they're perfect to use to get people to get to know these characters. "Essential Ant-Man" may have introduced far more readers to the character in bookstores than a typical "best of" TPB would for a higher price. 

In short, instead of fearing a character isn't "well-known" enough to warrant an Essential, the thinking should be the Essential should help to make the character more well-known.

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 03:53 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

The Essentials are published to make money off the back catalogue, not to introduce people to the characters. That's what the digest formats, the Ultimate line, the newsstand reprint books and the Walmart distribution deal are for. I think there are two major audiences for Essentials. Silver Age fans buy them because the alternative is a MASTERWORKS volume which is either very expensive or doesn't exist. Mainstream superhero readers buy them because they want to read the earlier stories featuring their favourite characters - and that audience is drastically reduced when you're dealing with a character who hasn't sustained his own title in almost a decade. 

I suppose it's possible that the occasional casual reader is wandering into a bookstore and buying ESSENTIAL ANT-MAN on impulse, but I can't believe there are very many of them. And if you're such a casual reader that you haven't heard of the character, there are a ton of other Essentials that you'll probably pick up first - Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four, for example.
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Thread 61

Posted: 25 Jul 2006 12:32 am    Post subject: Iron Man comic and Spider-Man's new uniform
By PeteD

In the current Iron Man ongoing, issue 8 I think, there is a scene that looks like it comes from the New Avengers Breakout story but Spidey is in his new costume. 

is that right re: Breakout, if so this can't be rectified can it? 

btw, I recall Spidey had his traditional costume in Breakout, I've written this from memory.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 05:55 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Are you referring to Graviton's breakout at the Raft? This is a much later breakout, after the massive one detailed in A4 1-3.
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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 08:17 am    
By PeteD

Yes, I had my doubts I was right, but because of the delay in Iron Man being published (which has also made any reference to Civil War be delayed until Iron Man 13) I took that breakout to be the one that caused the New Avengers to be formed. 

Thanks, Paul.

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Posted: 25 Jul 2006 08:17 am    
By jephyork
Director

Apparently there are breakouts at the Raft all the time -- there was an even earlier one in Alias. 

Some security they've got there, huh? 

-Jeph!

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Thread 62

Posted: 27 Jul 2006 03:50 pm    Post subject: Books needing analysis
By Dhall

I was wondering if anyone is keeping a list of issues that need to be added to the MCP. 

Obviously, we know about the various Alternate-Earth books, such as Ultraverse, MC2, 2099, the Westerns, the really old books, the Conan books, Marvel UK, the 1993-94 gap books, etc. 

What I'm interested in is Earth-616 books, that need analysis.

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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 05:40 pm  
By Somebody

Marvel UK books are 616 by definition, since the term originated there. They're not alt-continuity (except for the latter kiddie comics, in much the same way Marvel Adventures aren't canon). 

Sorry, pet hate.

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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 06:04 pm    
By Dhall

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Marvel UK books are 616 by definition 
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Yes, but I already listed these, as I know about them.

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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 06:06 pm    
By ShadZ

Somebody wrote: 
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Marvel UK books are 616 by definition, since the term originated there. They're not alt-continuity (except for the latter kiddie comics, in much the same way Marvel Adventures aren't canon). 

Sorry, pet hate. 
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Don't get mad at Dhall; I think this is what he meant: 


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Obviously, we know about the various Alternate-Earth books (such as Ultraverse, MC2, 2099), the Westerns, the really old books, the Conan books, Marvel UK, the 1993-94 gap books, etc.  
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Not calling Marvel UK an alt-continuity at all
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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 11:12 pm    
By JLH

Such a list of books not yet in the MCP would make a good replacement for the useless waste of net-space that is the "Closing the Gap" page.

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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 11:15 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Wow. Did your girlfriend break up with last week, or something? 


watching: lost

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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 01:24 am    
By JLH

I'm so sorry. Seriously. It slipped my mind the two things you don't insult are a man's woman and his Gap 2 page.

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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 07:31 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

No problem. Taken in jest. 


watching: american morning
