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2. Prepping for Onslaught Reborn
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Thread 1

Posted: 01 Nov 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject: Crimson Cowl II     
By jannepie

All-New Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A to Z #3 lists Thunderbolts #3 as the first appearance of Crimson Cowl (Justine Hammer). MCP has also #1-2 listed. Which one is correct?

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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 01:10 pm    
By Mikhail

T-Bolts #3 is correct. The other one probably dates back to the time when Dallas Riordan was believed to be CC.

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Thread 2

Posted: 27 Oct 2006 06:35 am    Post subject: Prepping for Onslaught Reborn
By SKleefeld
Director

Part of an interview with Jeph Loeb over at Newsarama discussing Onslaught Reborn...Jeph Loeb wrote: 
The story, if you had to drop it in time, it takes place before Civil War, but after House of M and Avengers Dissembled. It all takes place in a very short amount of time. 

We'll see if things actually pan out to accomodate that placement, but it's a starting point at least.

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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 10:48 am    
By PaxHouse

I'm glad that Mr. Loeb explained where "ONSLAUGHT REBORN" will be happenning; since they'd be some confusions towards the events after Sue {and Johnny} leaves Reed within both CIVIL WAR #4 & the FF's CW Tie-ins....... 
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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 03:38 pm    
By Col_Fury

All hail Jeph Loeb!
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Thread 3

Posted: 28 Oct 2006 11:26 am    Post subject: Spiderman chronology
By cnowlin

You have the following: 

ASM 227 
FF 242 
FF 243 
DEF 107 
DEF 108 
DEF 109 
PPTSS 66 
ASM 228 
PPTSS 67 
A 221 
ASM 229 
ASM 230 
PPTSS 68 
M/TU 117 
M/TU 118 
M/TU 119 

These are my concerns: 

In DEF 109, Spiderman and Gargoyle leave to go hang out, with the editorial comment to check out MTU 119 to see what they are up to, suggesting these issues should be butted up together. The narration in MTU 119 confirms they had just gotten back from the battles in Asgard in DEF 109. 

Notably MTU 117-118 does seem to occur after DEF 108, which continues straight into DEF 109, as we learn there who was really behind all the goings-on. There is space in DEF 109 after the adventure and before the funeral, in which Spidey could meet the X-Men for his adventures in MTU 117-118. 

Meanwhile, in ASM 229, Madame Web attempts to contact the FF and Avengers, to find they are out of town, with editorial note telling us the Avengers are off fighting Moondragon in A 219-220, and the FF are in Wakanda in FF 241. 

Are these editorial notes taken as evidence? Minus that, we just see the FF are not in town, which could place it lots of places (they travel often) 

As a side question, are these types of observations what you are looking for, or do you prefer proposed solutions rather than just pointing out concerns with the current placement?

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Posted: 28 Oct 2006 12:24 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

I'd suggest that you read over what you've posted, and try to make it a little clearer, so everyone can discuss this from a point of knowledge, or at least understanding. 

cnowlin wrote: 
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In DEF 109, Spiderman and Gargoyle lead to go hang out, 
<<<

I don't know what "lead to go hang out" means. 


cnowlin wrote: 
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The narration in MTU 119 confirms they had just gotten back from the battles in Asgard in MTU 119. 
<<<

What? 


cnowlin wrote: 
>>>
Meanwhile, in ASM 229, Madame Web attempts to contact the FF and Avengers, to find they are out of town, with editorial note telling us the Avengers are off fighting Moondragon in A 219-220, and the FF are in Wakanda in FF 241. 

Are these editorial notes taken as evidence? Minus that, we just see the FF are not in town, which could place it lots of places (they travel often) 
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We do try to follow the intent of editorial notes, so far as it's possible, and assuming no other evidence to the contrary. Without going to the books, I would assume that Spider-Man's placement above comes from the Official Avengers Index, which would trump the footnotes. 


cnowlin wrote: 
>>>
As a side question, are these types of observations what you are looking for, or do you prefer proposed solutions rather than just pointing out concerns with the current placement? 
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Before we'll make a change, you'll need to be able to show why the current placement can't work, that it's patently wrong. Asking us to make a change because you're not "comfortable" with the current placement usually won't get anywhere. 

Beyond that, proposed alternate solutions (which take into account *all* the characters in the relevant stories) are appreciated, but not required. 


watching: auburn vs. mississippi

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Posted: 28 Oct 2006 12:40 pm    
By cnowlin

Sorry, those were two typos. I edited the post to fix them.

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Posted: 29 Oct 2006 09:18 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Just a quick check to see why M/TU 119 does not occur right after DEF 109... 

In the Official Marvel Index to the Avengers, vol. 2 #4, Gargoyle is noted as appearing in A@ 11 between DEF 109 and M/TU 119. This establishes that a gap exists between DEF 109 and M/TU 119. 

Spidey's own chronology confirms the gap. Referring again to the Avengers Index, Spidey appears in A 221 (which follows A@ 11) between PPTSS 67 and ASM 229. This means that PPTSS 68 must follow ASM 229. In M/TU 119, Peter Parker refers to the events of PPTSS 68, which means that M/TU 119 follows PPTSS 68. Thus you have a general sequence that looks like this: 

DEF 109 
A@ 11 
A 221 
ASM 229 
PPTSS 68 
M/TU 119 

You can see where this is going. Spidey and Gargoyle probably hung out right after DEF 109 and struck up a friendship. M/TU 119 must show them getting back together on another occasion.
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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 08:34 pm    
By Ben Reilly

As a LONG-Time Spidey nut, I am kinda anal when it comes to the Chronology. I can totally agree  with Paul's shift from the original post. Does this mean that M/TU 117 & 118 now come after 119?

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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 02:10 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I think you're misunderstanding, Ben. The chronology I gave included only those issues that prove the gap between DEF 109 and M/TU 119. It wasn't meant to be an all-inclusive Spidey chronology, but rather a "general sequence" of events. I stand with the M/CP's chronology for Spidey, with M/TU 117-118 occurring between PPTSS 68 and M/TU 119. 

I haven't directly addressed the issue of the editorial note in ASM 229 that suggests a placement of that issue at the same time as A 219-220. Since the Avengers Index places ASM 229 after A 221, it contradicts the editorial note. Editorial notes aren't automatically taken as evidence since they are not "in-story" references. These notes must be weighed against other evidence. Index information is not "in-story" either, but the MCP tends to rely on chronologies in the Indexes unless in-story references prove them wrong.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 02:30 pm    
By Ben Reilly

Thanx, Paul, for making this more clearer to me. I have to learn not to read the posts when I'm half asleep . 

I have about 98% of all the Spider-Man comics and his appearances up through the end of the mainsteam Volume 1 storyline. A good amount of the early ones are in reprint form (Marvel Tales, etc.), but I'm still proud of my collection. 

I have seen some, what I might call, discrepencies in the storylines based on reading them in chronological order based on MCP, but because of all the hard work that has gone into you guys creating this, I am not complaining. The MCP is a great tool and source and helps make alot of sence of the Marvel World.

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Thread 4

Posted: 31 Oct 2006 08:57 am    Post subject: New Avengers #24 Flashback
By Kevin W.
Director

Anybody want to take a guess as to when the Flashback in last week's New Avengers #24 occured? Or does that even count as a true flashback? The image shown was a flashback "comic book cover", showing the Sentry and the Inhumans fighting Red Ronin. It's not a regular style flashback...but going by the Sentry's words, it's after Crystal broke up with Johnny Storm, but before she married Pietro. 

I don't know the Inhumans chronology that well, but I'm just curious if this is another Bendis flashback that has no way of working...
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Posted: 31 Oct 2006 11:25 am    
By Mikhail

Not necessarily. It sounds as if Crystal and Johnny had A fight and she fell into Bob's arms, then reunited with Johnny shortly afterwards. Also, I'm not sure if the Red Ronin event and their tryst necessarily happened at the same time.

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Posted: 31 Oct 2006 10:26 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

This sounds like a good question for our resident FF expert, Sean K. I myself have placed it where Kevin suggested -- after the breakup with Johnny and before Crystal met Pietro. I'm not sure if she and Johnny ever had a documented fight while she lived in Attilan or one that caused her to move back with the Inhumans for a short time during the time she was with the FF. 

There's no way we can place the flashback during the time when Marvel comics cost 40 cents, the cover cost of the depicted issue of Startling Stories in which Crystal presumably had her fling with Bob. The event must occur a bit before the time comics cost 40 cents. 

(Looking back at her history, Crystal does appear a bit trampy...)
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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 08:23 am    
By SKleefeld
Director

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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This sounds like a good question for our resident FF expert, Sean K.  
<<<

Geez, give me a little time to dig out my back issues, huh?  


Okay, doing some quick checking with my sources online... 

Crystal "breaks up" with Johnny in FF #105 because Reed discovers her Inhuman allergy to pollution. In FF #117-118, we learn that she was diverted on her trip to Attilan and has been living in Central America as a pawn of Diablo. So it definitely does NOT occur there. And when we next see her in ]FF #130, she's already met Quicksilver and fallen in love with him with all of that backstory filled in with flashbacks. 

To my recollection -- and I have to admit to being a little fuzzy here -- those flashbacks were supposed to occur very shortly after FF #118, and would suggest that we couldn't place her involvement with Sentry there if I'm remembering accurately. I also seem to recall there was brief spat in Spider-Man/Human Torch #2, and somewhat more vague recollection of one somehwere around FF #80. 

In any event, I'll look into this in more detail when I have a chance.

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Posted: 02 Nov 2006 09:48 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Sean K. wrote: 
>>>
In any event, I'll look into this in more detail when I have a chance. 
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That would be great, Sean. Thanks. 
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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 08:59 am    
By SKleefeld
Director

Okay, I think I've got this sussed... 

The problem is that the tryst that's mentioned in Sentry and Crystal's dialogue is implied to be related to the issue of Startling Stories that's shown earlier in the book. Given what I've found, though, that is NOT the case and I believe the two are completely unrelated. 

As noted in the story, Sentry and Crystal had their affair after she and Johnny Storm had a fight and she was "on the rebound." Since she marries Quicksilver in Avengers #110, it clearly occurs before that. As I noted earlier, Crystal actually seems rather tied up between her leaving the FF in FF #105 and the wedding. 

However, Crystal does have a fight with Johnny in FF #95. She leaves with Medusa to go back to Attilan and is absent from the book until Johnny finds here and apologizes in FF #99. I think it's during that interval where Crystal and Sentry hook up. 

Now, the cover that is shown, though, shows the Sentry teaming up with the Inhumans to battle Red Ronin, a character who was not introduced until Godzilla #6 in the late 1970s. We've noted the 40 cent cover price already, which actually helps placement immensely since Marvel only had 40 cent cover prices for about a year beginning with their May 1979 issues. Startling Stories #92, then, must be the October 1979 issue seeing publication about the same time as FF #211 and Avengers #188. On Red Ronin's chronology, this is squarely between GZILL 17 and A 197. For Crystal (and the Inhumans) that would be probably shortly after A 188, but before M/TIO 71/72. 

Interestingly, the Startling Stories wedding issue that's shown to Paul Jenkins in New Avengers #7-8 is clearly #200 and clearly only has a 12 cent cover price. I would posit that the cover we're shown in New Avengers #24 is a "real" cover from our universe and the ones shown within the context of the story in #7-8 are publications WITHIN the Marvel Universe. They must have a better president that's been able to do a much better job managing the economy. 

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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 03:15 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

I knew you wouldn't rest until working this out, Sean.  

To recap, your proposal is: 

1) to put Crystal's affair with Sentry between FF 95 and FF 99; this has no impact on the MCP since this affair is not actually depicted in A4 24 -- it's just mentioned; (I can just hear Crystal quoting Ross Gellar..."we were on a break!") 

2) to update MCP chronologies thusly... 

For BLACK BOLT 
... 
A 188 
**A4 14-FB** [this is the Startling Stories cover scene on page 5] 
M/TIO 72 
... 

For CRYSTAL, GORGON, and KARNAK 
... 
A 188 
**A4 24-FB** 
M/TIO 71 
... 

For LOCKJAW 
... 
M/TIO@ 4 
**A4 14-FB** 
A@ 12-FB-BTS 
... 

For MEDUSA 
(see below) 

For RED RONIN 
... 
GZILL 17 
**A4 24-FB** 
A 197 
... 

For TRITON 
... 
M/TIO 66 
**A4 24-FB** 
M/TIO 72 
... 

For SENTRY 
??? 
A4 24-FB would need to occur before the Sentry was wiped from everyone's memories. If we place A4 24-FB this late in Marvel chronology, does it mess up Sentry's history in the MU? I must admit to some confusion regarding the weaving of Sentry's chronology into the fabric of the MU. 



I hate to bring up a new topic within this thread, but I can't avoid it when noting Medusa's last and next appearance relative to A4 24-FB... 

For MEDUSA, I would depart from the MCP, in that her BTS appearance in A@ 12-FB occurs during the "week" between FF 239 and FF 240. That must surely place A@ 12-FB after M/GN 1. (The Avengers Index inadvertently omitted M/GN 1 from the Inhumans' chronologies.) Medusa's chronology would read... 
... 
FF 207 
**A4 24-FB** 
M/GN 1 
A@ 12-FB-BTS 
FF 240 
... 

The switch in the sequence of M/GN 1 and A@ 12-FB would affect the chronologies of the other Inhumans as well. 

Sean, am I on target with this?
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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 04:16 pm    
By SKleefeld
Director

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Sean, am I on target with this? 
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Yes... although I haven't examined specifics of your new suggestion for Medusa yet. And one note on Sentry's chronology... 


Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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For SENTRY 
??? 
A4 24-FB would need to occur before the Sentry was wiped from everyone's memories. If we place A4 24-FB this late in Marvel chronology, does it mess up Sentry's history in the MU? I must admit to some confusion regarding the weaving of Sentry's chronology into the fabric of the MU. 
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I don't think we've ever gotten concslusive proof of exactly when Sentry was wiped from the MU, but I know that we've had flashbacks of the Sentry fighting alongside the FF in their black/white uniforms from the late Byrne run on FF. That's years after what we're looking at here in real time. 

As I recall -- and I might ask Russ to dig out that old Sentry chrono I did shortly after the first series concluded to confirm this -- all of the Sentry flashbacks tended to fall either very early in MU's history, or sometime in the mid-1980s or later. I don't recall the 1970s or early 1980s being represented very well, possibly at all. So this really should be simple to drop into his chronology. 

That being said, I don't have the complete second series, so I don't know how much more may have gotten added.

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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 05:11 pm    
By Somebody

SKleefeld wrote: 
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I don't think we've ever gotten concslusive proof of exactly when Sentry was wiped from the MU, but I know that we've had flashbacks of the Sentry fighting alongside the FF in their black/white uniforms from the late Byrne run on FF. That's years after what we're looking at here in real time. 

As I recall -- and I might ask Russ to dig out that old Sentry chrono I did shortly after the first series concluded to confirm this -- all of the Sentry flashbacks tended to fall either very early in MU's history, or sometime in the mid-1980s or later. I don't recall the 1970s or early 1980s being represented very well, possibly at all. So this really should be simple to drop into his chronology.  
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Something like that, yeah. 

[Of course, they were trying to confuse the issue totally by having the scene where they decided to wipe the Sentry depict everyone in their early-SA costumes immediately following the "Sentry: Golden Guardian of Good issue" done in a Liefeld style with the early 90s trade dress on the cover and the F4 in their Byrne B&W costumes where they found out Sentry=Void] 


SKleefeld wrote: 
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That being said, I don't have the complete second series, so I don't know how much more may have gotten added. 
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Very little, bar origin-related stuff. There's a cover with the "Hippy", who apparently made Sentry drink "an entire lake of LSD", one panel with him losing power in the Negative Zone (both in the cowled Romita "Silver Age" costume, but otherwise unplaceable), and a couple of other unplacable shots in a SA, yellow-cowled, variant, and the "Liefeld" no-blue-on-the-suit bar the wraparound mask and cape costume. 

Oh and a Bendis/Bagley "Ultimate Sentry" cover (actually drawn by Romita Jr)

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Thread 5

Posted: 19 Jul 2006 01:27 am    Post subject: Captain America & Bucky rebuilt origins
By Col_Fury

Captain America Comics 1/1, Tales of Suspense 63/2, Captain America 109-FBs, & Captain America 255-FBs all cover Captain Americas origin. Sentinel of Liberty vol2 12 covers Buckys origin, and theres a bit from Giant-Size Invaders 1 & Captain America vol5 14 thrown in for fun. This is my attempt to put it all together.(for this first part, CAC is an abbreviation for Captain America Comics) 

CAC 1 pg1pn1: men enter recruiting center 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn1: men get their physical 
CA 255-FB pg3pn4: Steve @ movies 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg5pn1-pg5pn4: Steve @ movies 
CA 255-FB pg3pn5: Steve decides to enlist 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg5pn5-pg5pn6: Steve declared 4-F 
CA 109-FB pg9-pg10pn2: Steve cant serve, meets Gen. Phillips, Erskine 
CA 109-FB pg10pn3-pg12pn2: Nazis drop off assassin from u-boat 
CA 109-FB pg12pn3-pg12pn4: Steve, Phillips, Erskine drive to curios shop 
CA 255-FB pg4pn1-pg4pn2: Agent-X; identify yourselves! 
CA 109-FB pg13: meet Agent-X 
CA 255-FB pg4pn4: amazing lab 
CA 109-FB pg14pn1 : more of lab 
CA 255-FB: pg4pn5-pg4pn6: Reinstein/Erskine revealed! 
CA 109-FB pg14pn2 : lets get started 
CA 255-FB pg5pn1: Steve tested for 3 weeks 
CAC 1 pg1pn2-pg2pn1: Nazi spies destroy munitions factory 
TOS 63/2: Nazis make a comment 
CAC 1 pg2pn2-pg3pn1: FDR talks about sabotage 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn3: FDR asks about Rebirth 
G-S INV 1-FB pg5pn5: its ready! 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn4: Godspeed 
CAC 1 pg3pn2-pg3pn3: officials go to curios shop 
TOS 63/2: pg2pn5: officials get out of car 
CAC 1 pg3pn4-pg3pn5: officials enter store 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn6-pg3pn1: Agent-X; identify yourselves! 
CAC 1 pg3pn6-pg3pn7: Agent-X; formula is ready 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn2: officials walk stairs 
CAC 1 pg3pn8-pg4pn1: officials enter Rebirth 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn2: take your seats 
CAC 1 pg4pn2: Agent-X removes her mask 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn4: Agent-X makes a comment 
CAC 1 pg4pn3-pg4pn4: sit down 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn5-pg3pn6: enter: Steve Rogers 
CA 255-FB pg5pn3-pg5pn5: are you ready Steve? 
CAC 1 pg4pn5-pg4pn7: injects with serum 
CA 255-FB pg5pn6: now injected, ready for formula 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn1-pg4pn2: drinks formula 
CA 109-FB pg14pn3-pg15pn4: vita-rays! 
CAC 1 pg5pn1-pg5pn3: Steve starts to glow 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn3-pg4pn4: Steve is changing 
CA 109-FB pg15pn5-pg16pn2: Erskine; sound mind & body 
CAC 1 pg5pn4-pg6pn7: process is finished 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn5: Nazi attacks! 
CAC 1 pg6pn1-pg6pn2: Nazi shoots Erskine 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn1-pg5pn2: Erksines dying words 
CA 109-FB pg16pn3-pg16pn4: more dying words 
CAC 1 pg6pn3-pg6pn4: Nazi attacks other officials 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn3: Steve saves others 
CAC 1 pg6pn5-pg6pn8: Steve attacks Nazi 
CA 109-FB pg17: Steve yells @ Nazi 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn4-pg5pn5: more yelling 
CA 109-FB pg18pn1: Steve knocks over Nazi 
CAC 1 pg7pn1-pg7pn2: Nazi falls on equipment 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn6: equipment explodes 
CA 109-FB pg18pn2: solemn vow 
CAC 1 pg7pn3: Nazi is dead 
CA 255-FB pg8pn1: end of Rebirth 
CA 255-FB pg8pn4: Steve is trained for 3 months 
CA: SL2 6/3-BTS story time of Steve's ancestor 
CA: SL2 7 pg1-pg11pn4: Steve & Phillips finish story 
CA 255-FB pg9: gets uniform, told of Red Skull 
CA 255-FB pg10-pg13pn3: 3 days later, 1st mission, saves Col. Henson from Nazis 
CA 255-FB pg13pn4-pg15: next day, Bund HQ 
CA 255-FB pg16pn3-pg16pn5: one day, aircraft plant 
CA 255-FB pg17pn1-pg17pn3: 2 weeks later, Liberty shipyards 
CA 255-FB pg17pn4-pg17pn7-FB: last week, Boulder Dam 
CAC 1 pg7pn4-pg7pn5: Cap is in newspapers, old shield 
CA: SL2 7/2 pg1: Cap waits to meet FDR 
CA 255 pg18: Cap meets FDR, new suit, new shield 
CA: SL2 7/2 pg6-pg8: Cap chats with FDR 
TOS 63/2 pg6: Cap in newspapers again, new shield 
CA 109-FB pg18pn3: Cap still in newspapers, new shield 
CA 109-FB pg19pn1-pg19pn3: Steve meets Bucky @ Lehigh 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg5-pg7: Bucky gets goons off Steve, offers merchandise 
TOS 63/2 pg7: Steve chats with Bucky @ Lehigh 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg10-pg12: Steve peels potatoes, Bucky gets in bar fight 
CAC 1 pg7pn6-pg8pn2: Bucky discovers Cap 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn1: youre Cap! 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg13-pg14pn2: whats in it for you? 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn2-pg8pn3: cant kill you 
CAC 1 pg8pn3: partners! 
CA 109-FB pg20pn2: shake on it 
CA5 14-FB pg21pn3-pg21pn6: Barnes officially introduced to Cap 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg17: Buckys 1st mission, Bs impatient 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn4-pg9: attack Nazis 
CA: SOL2 12-FB pg18pn1-pg18pn6: fighting Nazis 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn1: tie up Nazis 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg18pn7-19pn2: wheres Bucky? Oh 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn2-pg10pn3: setting explosives 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg19pn3-pg19pn4: explosion 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn4: sounds great! 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg20pn1-pg20pn4: souvenirs 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn5: good job, Bucky! 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn6: Cap & Bucky in newspapers 

Thats the overall chronology of events as I see it. Breaking it down for character chronologies, we would have: 

Captain America/ Steven Rogers 
 
CA 255-FB pg3pn4 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg5pn1-pg5pn4 
CA 255-FB pg3pn5 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg5pn5-pg5pn6 
CA 109-FB pg9-pg12 
CA 255-FB pg4pn1-pg4pn2 
CA 109-FB pg13 
CA 255-FB pg4pn4 
CA 109-FB pg14pn1 
CA 255-FB pg4pn5-pg4pn6 
CA 109-FB pg14pn2 
CA 255-FB pg5pn1 
TOS 63/2 pg1-pg3pn6 
CA 255-FB pg5pn3-pg5pn5 
{CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg1-pg4pn7} 
CA 255-FB pg5pn6 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn1-pg4pn2 
CA 109-FB pg14pn3-pg15pn4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg5pn1-pg5pn3 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn3-pg4pn4 
CA 109-FB pg15pn5-pg16pn2 
CAPATIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg5pn4-pg6pn7 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn5 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg6pn1-pg6pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn1-pg5pn2 
CA 109-FB pg16pn3-pg16pn4 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg6pn3-pg6pn4 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn3 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg6pn5-pg6pn8 
CA 109-FB pg17 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn4-pg5pn5 
CA 109-FB pg18pn1 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg7pn1-pg7pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn6 
CA 109-FB pg18pn2 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg7pn3 
CA 255-FB pg8pn1 
CA 255-FB pg8pn4 
CA: SL2 6/3-BTS 
CA: SL2 7 pg1-pg11pn4 
CA 255-FB pg9-pg17 
CA: SL2 7/2 pg1 
CA 255 pg18 
CA: SL2 7/2 pg6-pg8 
CA 109-FB pg19pn1-pg19pn3 
CA: SL 12-FB pg5-pg7 
TOS 63/2 pg7 
CA: SOL 12-FB pg10-pg12 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg7pn6-pg8pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn1 
CA: SL 12-FB pg13-pg14pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn2-pg8pn3 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg8pn3 
CA 109-FB pg20pn2 
CA5 14-FB pg21pn3-pg21pn6 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg17 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn4-pg9 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg18pn1-pg18pn6 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn1 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg18pn7-19pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn2-pg10pn3 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg19pn3-pg19pn4 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn4 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg20pn1-pg20pn4 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn5 
 

Bucky/James Buchanan Bucky Barnes 
... 
CA 109-FB pg19pn1-pg19pn3 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg5-pg7 
TOS 63/2 pg1-pg7 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg10-pg12 
{CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg1-pg8pn2} 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn1 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg13-pg14pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn2-pg8pn3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg8pn3 
CA 109-FB pg20pn2 
CA5 14-FB pg21pn3-pg21pn6 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg17 
TOS 63/2 pg8pn4-pg9 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg18pn1-pg18pn6 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn1 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg18pn7-19pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn2-pg10pn3 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg19pn3-pg19pn4 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn4 
CA: SL2 12-FB pg20pn1-pg20pn4 
TOS 63/2 pg10pn5 
 

-edit- fixed some typos
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"Fury's gonna stay lost as long as he wants to stay lost. He kinda, from what I understand, wrote the book on it." -the President

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 06:09 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Great job with this, Col_Fury! Impressive!
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Paul B.

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Posted: 19 Jul 2006 10:16 pm    
By Col_Fury

Thanks! 

This was a lot of fun. Captain America Comics 1, Tales of Suspense 63, and Captain America 109 were all drawn by Jack Kirby, and that alone was worth it. I actually made photocopies of those three comics and cut them together to do this, using Captain America 255 as a guide. They flow together amazingly well, but hey, that's Kirby. I then took that 'one' story and added in the other segments. 

And then of course Captain America 109's current day segment is Steve & Nick Fury talking about the old days. Fun stuff.
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"Fury's gonna stay lost as long as he wants to stay lost. He kinda, from what I understand, wrote the book on it." -the President

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Posted: 03 Aug 2006 01:09 am    
By Col_Fury

Currently, Caps chronology has BP3 30-FB placed here: 

Captain America/Steven Rogers 
 
CA 423 
BP3 30-FB 
YOUNG ALLIES 1 
 

BP3 30-FB involves a relatively inexperienced Captain America(no Bucky) going to Wakanda in early 1941, fighting the Black Panther, and trading his triangular shield for a chunk of Vibranium. This is the first Vibranium sample to go to America. 

Captain America 255 has FDR giving Cap a new shield, and says this: 

Im told that the metal in the shield has some incredible properties. If only the metallurgical accident which produced it could be duplicated 

Captain America 303-FB shows the metallurgical accident, and reveals that the special metal was Vibranium. 

BP3 30-FB implies that the Vibranium sample Cap gets is used to make his new shield. 

With this sequence of events, it would seem to me that BP3 30-FB is placed a little too late in Caps chronology, and should be moved earlier. Heres a suggestion: 

Captain America/Steven Rogers 
 
CA 255-FB pg9-pg16 
BP3 30-FB 
CA 255-FB pg17 
CA: SL2 7/2 pg1 
CA 255 pg18 

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"Fury's gonna stay lost as long as he wants to stay lost. He kinda, from what I understand, wrote the book on it." -the President

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Posted: 20 Sep 2006 01:03 am    
By Col_Fury

Captain America 176 & 215 have new scenes relating to Cap's origin. Thanks to Ron Flick for pointing these issues out to me. 

Captain America #176-FB pg2pn4-pg2pn5 
Steve is at the movies & sees newsreels of Nazis. 

Captain America #176-FB pg2pn6-pg2pn7 
Steve gets a physical and is rejected. 

Captain America #176-FB pg3pn3 
Steve agrees to Gen. Phillips' offer. 

Captain America #215-FB pg5pn3 
Steve in on the other side of the door when he's called for in Tales of Suspense #63/2 pg3pn5-pg3pn6. 

This part has nothing to do with Operation: Rebirth; 

Captain America #215-FB pg11pn1 
Steve floats in the Atlantic and begins to freeze. 

Steve is also shown on ice on pg12pn3, and on pg13pn3 he begins to float to the surface, still on ice. 

Everything else shown in these FlashBacks are repeats of previous comics. 

Some placement suggestions: 

Captain America/ Steven Rogers 
... 
CA 255-FB pg3pn4 
*CA 176-FB pg2pn4-pg2pn5 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg5pn1-pg5pn4 
CA 255-FB pg3pn5 
*CA 176-FB pg2pn6-pg2pn7 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg5pn5-pg5pn6 
CA 109-FB pg9 
*CA 176-FB pg3pn3 
CA 109-FB pg10-pg12 
... 
CA 255-FB pg5pn1 
*CA 215-FB pg5pn3 
TOS 63/2 pg1-pg3pn6 
... 
CA 220-FB pg5pn4-pg10 
*CA 215-FB pg11-pg13pn3 

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"Fury's gonna stay lost as long as he wants to stay lost. He kinda, from what I understand, wrote the book on it." -the President

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Posted: 17 Oct 2006 01:02 am    
By Col_Fury

Finally, my copy of Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3 arrived, and I think I can finally tie this thing off. Here's a breakdown of new scenes: 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB-FB pg4-pg5pn3 
Dominic Fortune fights Nazi saboteurs in Chicago. 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB pg4-pg5pn6 
Steve Rogers sees newsreel footage of Dominic Fortune at the movies. 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB pg5pn8-pg7pn2 
General Phillips approaches Dominic Fortune to be the first Super Soldier. Drs. Erskine & Anderson warn him of the dangers of the process. 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB pg7pn3 
Testing on Dominic Fortune begins. 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB pg7pn4-pg8 
Dominic Fortune is rejected as a candidate for Project: Rebirth. 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB pg9pn1-pg9pn3 
Gen. Phillips thinks to himself at the recruiting center. 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB pg10-pg19pn3 
As Steve is being tested, the secret location is attacked by Nazis. Dominic Fortune arrives and saves Steve. 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB-FB pg20pn3-pg20pn5 
Captain America defeats Nazi saboteurs.(noted as 03/12/41) 

Marvel Super-Heroes v3 #3-FB pg20pn3-pg20pn8 
Dominic Fortune watches newsreel footage of Captain America. 

All skipped panels are repeats of various previously published comics. 

A suggestion for placements in Cap's chonology: 

CAPTAIN AMERICA/ STEVEN ROGERS 
M/HOL 1994/2-FB (~6 YRS OLD) 
*M/SH3 3-FB pg3 (~8 YRS OLD) 
CA 255-FB pg2pn5-pg3pn1 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg2-pg3 (33-34) 
CA 255-FB pg3pn2-pg3pn3 
CA: SL2 7/2-FB pg4 (1938) 
*M/SH3 3-FB pg4-pg5pn6 
CA 255-FB pg3pn4 
... 
CA 255-FB pg5pn1 
*M/SH3 3-FB pg10-pg19pn3 
CA 215-FB pg5pn3 
... 
CA 255-FB pg9pn3-pg15 
*M/SH3 3-FB-FB pg20pn3-pg20pn5 (03/12/41) 
CA 255-FB pg16 
BP3 30-FB 
... 

As far as I can tell, that should cover almost everything concerning Cap's origin, although I'm sure there's a scene or three floating around out there somewhere... 

This turned out to be a bigger project than I originally suspected, but it was a lot of fun. I realize that a lot of my placement suggestions are spread around different topics, so if anyone wants to see what I have for Cap's WWII years just let me know.  

And now, a suggestion for some of the supporting cast in Project: Rebirth. 

PHILLIPS, GEN. RICHARD CHESTER 
M/SH3 3-FB 
CA 109-FB pg1-pg9 
CA 176-FB pg3pn3 
CA 109-FB pg10-pg12 
CA 255-FB pg4pn1-pg4pn2 
CA 109-FB pg13 
CA 255-FB pg4pn4 
CA 109-FB pg14pn1 
CA 255-FB pg4pn5-pg4pn6 
CA 109-FB pg14pn2 
CA 255-FB pg5pn1 
CA 00-FB 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg1-pg3pn1 
TOS 63/2 pg1-pg2pn3 
GSINV 1-FB pg5pn5 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn2-pg3pn3 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn5 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn4-pg3pn5 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn6-pg3pn1 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn6-pg3pn7 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn8-pg4pn1 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg4pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg4pn3-pg8 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn3-pg10 
CA 255-FB pg8pn1-pg8pn4 
CA: SL2 6/3-BTS 
CA: SL2 7 
CA 255-FB pg9pn1-pg9pn2 
CA5 2-FB 
CA 255-FB pg9pn3-pg9pn5 
CA5 12-FB 
CA: SL2 2-FB 
CA: SL2 3 
CA: SL2 4 

DR. ANDERSON/ARTHUR J. GROVER 
M/SH3 3-FB 
GSINV 1-FB pg5pn5 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn2-pg3pn3 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn5 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn4-pg3pn5 
TOS 63/2 pg2pn6-pg3pn1 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn6-pg3pn7 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg3pn8-pg4pn1 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg4pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg3pn4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg4pn3-pg8 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn3-pg10 
GSINV 1-FB pg11pn6-pg18pn2 
GSINV 1 

PROFESSOR REINSTEIN/DR. ABRAHAM ERSKINE 
M/SH3 3-FB 
CA 109-FB pg1-pg12 
CA 255-FB pg4pn1-pg4pn2 
CA 109-FB pg13 
CA 255-FB pg4pn4 
CA 109-FB pg14pn1 
CA 255-FB pg4pn5-pg4pn6 
CA 109-FB pg14pn2 
CA 255-FB pg5pn1 
CA 00-FB 
CA 215-FB pg5pn3 
TOS 63/2 pg1-pg3pn6 
CA 255-FB pg5pn3-pg5pn5 
{CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg1-pg4pn7} 
CA 255-FB pg5pn6 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn1-pg4pn2 
CA 109-FB pg14pn3-pg15pn4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg5pn1-pg5pn3 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn3-pg4pn4 
CA 109-FB pg15pn5-pg16pn2 
CAPATIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg5pn4-pg6pn7 
TOS 63/2 pg4pn5 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 pg6pn1-pg6pn2 
TOS 63/2 pg5pn1-pg5pn2 
CA 109-FB pg16pn3-pg16pn4 

PROFESSOR REINSTEIN II 
TRUTH 2 
TRUTH 3 
TRUTH 6-FB 

'Professor Reinstein' was a code-name for the doctor in charge of Project: Rebirth to throw off Nazi spies, as revealed in CA 255. The 'Professor Reinstein' shown in the Truth mini looked nothing like the original, and of course was heading a new Project: Rebirth operation after the original was killed. This new one was also killed by a Nazi spy, but in public at a press conference. I would suggest listing them both on the 'P' page, since their full code-names were 'Professor Reinstein.' 

And, some suggestions for other Cap supporting characters: 

DUFFY, SGT. MIKE 
CA 109-FB 
TOS 63/2 
CA: SL2 12-FB 
TOS 64/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/4~TOS 65/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/4 
TOS 68/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 22 
TOS 69/2 
TOS 70/2 

GOLDEN GIRL/BETTY ROSS 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/2~TOS 64/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10/3 

Betty Ross didn't start going by Golden Girl until much later,(around Captain America Comics 66) but seeing as how she eventually adopted a code-name, it made sense to me to list her under that. However, until we know which issues she appeared in as Golden Girl, it may look strange in the meantime...
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"Fury's gonna stay lost as long as he wants to stay lost. He kinda, from what I understand, wrote the book on it." -the President

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Posted: 17 Oct 2006 06:08 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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if anyone wants to see what I have for Cap's WWII years just let me know.  
<<<

Actually, I think one complete listing would be helpful. Thanks, Col_Fury. 

I suppose Golden Girl would be Betty Ross I, with Gen. Thunderbolt Ross' daughter being Betty Ross II.
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Paul B.

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Posted: 17 Oct 2006 12:03 pm    
By Col_Fury

You got it: 

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVEN ROGERS 
M/HOL 1994/2-FB (~6 YRS OLD) 
M/SH3 3 (3)-FB (~8 YRS OLD) 
CA 255 (2:5-3:1)-FB 
CA 270 (4:5-5:2)-FB 
ASM 537-FB (~12 YRS OLD) 
CA 250-FB 
CA: SL2 7/2 (2-3)-FB (33-34) 
CA 255 (3:2-3:3)-FB 
CA 270 (5:3)-FB 
CA: SL2 7/2 (4)-FB (1938) 
CA5 25 (1:1)-FB 
M/SH3 3 (4-5:5)-FB 
CA5 25 (1:2)-FB 
M/SH3 3 (5:6)-FB 
CA 255 (3:4)-FB 
CA 176 (2:4-2:5)-FB 
CA: SL2 7/2 (5:1-5:4)-FB 
CA 255 (3:5)-FB 
CA5 25 (1:3)-FB 
CA 176 (2:6-2:7)-FB 
CA: SL2 7/2 (5:5-5:6)-FB 
CA 109 (9)-FB 
CA 176 (3:3)-FB 
CA 109 (10-12)-FB 
CA 255 (4:1-4:2)-FB 
CA 109 (13)-FB 
CA 255 (4:4)-FB 
CA 109 (14:1)-FB 
CA 255 (4:5-4:6)-FB 
CA 109 (14:2)-FB 
CA 255 (5:1)-FB 
CA5 25 (1:4)-FB 
M/SH3 3 (10-19:3)-FB 
CA 215 (5:3)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (1-3:6) 
CA 255 (5:3-5:5)-FB 
{CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1} (1-4:7) 
CA 255 (5:6)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (4:1-4:2) 
CA 109 (14:3-15:4)-FB 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (5:1-5:3) 
TOS 63/2 (4:3-4:4) 
CA 109 (15:5-16:2)-FB 
CAPATIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (5:4-6:7) 
TOS 63/2 (4:5) 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (6:1-6:2) 
TOS 63/2 (5:1-5:2) 
CA 109 (16:3-16:4)-FB 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (6:3-6:4) 
TOS 63/2 (5:3) 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (6:5-6:8) 
CA 109 (17)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (5:4-5:5) 
CA 109 (18:1)-FB 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (7:1-7:2) 
TOS 63/2 (5:6) 
CA 109 (18:2)-FB 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (7:3) 
CA 255 (8:1)-FB 
NW: AOH 9-FB 
CA 255 (8:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 6/3-BTS 
CA: SL2 7 
CA 255 (9:1-9:2)-FB 
CA5 2-FB 
CA 255 (9:3-15)-FB 
M/SH3 3 (20:3-20:5)-FB-FB (03/12/41) 
CA 255 (16)-FB 
BP3 30-FB 
CA@ 13/2-FB 
CA 255 (17:1-17:3)-FB 
CA5 25 (10:1)-FB 
CA 255 (17:4-17:7)-FB 
CA: SL2 7/2 (1) 
CA 255 (18)-FB 
CA: SL2 7/2 (6-8) 
CA5 12 (5-6)-FB 
CA 109 (19:1-19:3)-FB 
CA: SL 12 (5-7)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (7) 
CA: SOL 12 (10-12)-FB 
CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (7:6-8:2) 
TOS 63/2 (8:1) 
CA: SL 12 (13-14:2)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (8:2-8:3) 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (8:3) 
CA 109 (20:2)-FB 
CA5 14 (21:3-21:6)-FB 
A 213-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (17)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (8:4-9) 
CA: SL2 12 (18:1-18:6)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:1) 
CA: SL2 12 (18:7-19:2)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:2-10:3) 
CA: SL2 12 (19:3-19:4)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:4) 
CA: SL2 12 (20:1-20:4)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:5) 
CA 423 (spring/41) 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/2~TOS 64/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/4~TOS 65/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/4 
YOUNG ALLIES 1 
TOS 66/2-FB 
TOS 66/2 
TOS 67/2 
TOS 68/2 
UX 268-FB (08/41) 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5/4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 22/3 
CA 139-FB 
CA 281-FB (11/22/41) 
INV 29-FB 
GSINV 1 
 
INVADERS! 
 
INV 41 
CA5 11-FB 
GSINV 2 (06/19/42) 
INV2 1 (6/22/42) 
INV2 2 
INV2 3 
INV2 4 
MARVELS 1 
TCORPS 1 
TCORPS 2 (1942) 
CA '98-FB 
CA:SL2 2-FB 
CA:SL2 2 (1942) 
CA:SL2 3 
CA:SL2 4 
TRUTH 4-BTS (09/42) 
CA5 5-FB (11/42) 
CA:ME (01/07/43) 
CABT-BTS 
CA 262-FB (1943) 
CA 219-FB (1944) 
CLAN 8-FB (1944) 
NA: AAFES 
BP4 21-FB 
BP4 1-FB(1944) 
CA@ 9/2-FB (04/44) 
CA: 65AS 1 (04/44) 
M/U 1-FB 
M/U 1 
M/U 2 (05/44) 
M/U 3 
CA 109 (1-6:2)-FB (06/06/44) 
TOS 69/2 (1-9) 
TOS 70/2 (1-2:3) 
TOS 69/2 (10) 
TOS 70/2 (2:4-10) 
TOS 71/2 
CA5 25 (10:2-11)-FB 
H2 284 
CA '01-FB (08/44) 
TOS 75/2-FB 
CA5 25 (3)-FB 
TOS 77/2 (3-5)-FB 
CA5 3 (16-18:1)-FB (08/44) 
CA5 25 (7:2-7:3)-FB 
TOS 77/2 (6-10:6)-FB 
CA5 3 (18:2)-FB 
CA: DMR 2-FB 
IM3 73 (16:4-16:6)-FB (1944) 
CA5 12 (14-15)-FB, (18-19)-FB (09/44) 
CA5 15-FB 
IM3 73 (14:5)-FB (1944) 
CA/NF: OWW 1 (10/44) 
WX2 14-FB (1944) 
CA3 32-FB (12/44) 
WS: WK 1-FB (12/24/44) 
CA: SL2 12 (23-29)-FB 
CA 237-FB (spring/45) 
CA: SL2 7/2 (9-10) (04/12/45) 
SAGAHT 2 
CA: SL2 12 (31-33)-FB 
N@ 1/2-FB 
CA@ 13 (9-15)-FB 
TOS 72/2 (3:1-3:3)-FB 
TOS 79/2 (5:2)-FB 
TOS 72/2 (3:4-4:4)-FB 
TOS 79/2 (5:3)-FB 
TOS 72/2 (4:5)-FB 
CA@ 13 (19:1-19:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (1-4), (8), (9:2) 
A 56 (8:3)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (15:1) 
A 56 (8:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (15:2-16) 
A 56 (9-10:1)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (21-22) 
A 56 (10:2)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (30:1-30:2) 
A 56 (10:3-10:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (30:3-30:5) 
A 56 (11-12:2)-FB 
CA5 4 (13:3-13:4)-FB 
CA5 4 (15:2-15:3)-FB 
CA5 4 (16:2)-FB 
CA5 4 (16:4)-FB 
CA5 4 (17:2)-FB 
CA5 4 (17:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (34-37:2) 
A 4 (7:1)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (37:3-37:7) 
CA5 6 (9:5)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (38:1) 
A 4 (7:2)-FB 
CA5 6 (9:6)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (38:2-:38:7) 
CA5 6 (10:1)-FB 
A 4 (7:3)-FB 
CA5 6 (10:3-10:6)-FB 
CA 220 (5:3)-FB 
A 4 (7:4-7:5)-FB 
CA 220 (5:4-10)-FB 
CA 215 (11-13:3)-FB 
 


BUCKY/JAMES BUCHANAN BUCKY BARNES 
CA5 14 (16)-FB 
CA5 12 (5-6)-FB 
CA 109 (19:1-19:3)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (5-7)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (1-7) 
CA: SL2 12 (10-12)-FB 
{CAPATAIN AMERICA COMICS 1} (1-8:2) 
TOS 63/2 (8:1) 
CA: SL2 12 (13-14:2)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (8:2-8:3) 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1 (8:3) 
CA 109 (20:2)-FB 
CA5 14 (21:3-21:6)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (17)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (8:4-9) 
CA: SL2 12 (18:1-18:6)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:1) 
CA: SL2 12 (18:7-19:2)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:2-10:3) 
CA: SL2 12 (19:3-19:4)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:4) 
CA: SL2 12 (20:1-20:4)-FB 
TOS 63/2 (10:5) 
CA 423 (spring/41) 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/2~TOS 64/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 1/4~TOS 65/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 2/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 3/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 4/4 
YOUNG ALLIES 1 (summer/41) 
TOS 66/2-FB-BTS 
TOS 66/2-BTS 
TOS 67/2 
TOS 68/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 5/4 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 6/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 7/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 8/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 9/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10/2 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 10/3 
CAPTAIN AMERICA COMICS 22/3 
CA 139-FB 
CA 281-FB (11/22/41) 
INV 29-FB 
GSINV 1 
 
INVADERS! 
 
INV 39 
CA5 11 (20:2-21:5)-FB 
INV2 1-FB 
MARVELS 1 
TCORPS 1 
TCORPS 2 (1942) 
CA '98-FB 
CA5 5-FB (11/42) 
CA:ME (01/07/43) 
CABT 
CA 219-FB (1944) 
CA@ 9/2-FB (04/44) 
CA: 65AS 1 (04/44) 
M/U 1-FB 
CA 109 (1-6:2)-FB (06/06/44) 
CA5 25 (10:2-11)-FB 
H2 284 
CA '01-FB (08/44) 
CA5 25 (3)-FB 
CA5 3-FB (08/44) 
CA5 12 (14-15)-FB, (18-19)-FB (09/44) 
CA5 15-FB 
IM3 73 (14:5)-FB (1944) 
CA/NF: OWW 1 (10/44) 
CA3 32-FB (12/44) 
WS: WK 1-FB (12/24/44) 
CA: SL2 12 (23-29)-FB 
CA: SL2 7/2 (04/12/45) 
SAGAHT 2 
CA: SL2 12 (31-33)-FB 
N@ 1/2-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (1-4), (8), (9:2) 
A 56 (8:3)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (15:1) 
A 56 (8:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (15:2-16) 
A 56 (9-10:1)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (21-22) 
A 56 (10:2)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (30:1-30:2) 
A 56 (10:3-10:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (30:3-30:5) 
A 56 (11-12:2)-FB 
CA5 4 (13:3-13:4)-FB 
CA5 4 (15:2-15:3)-FB 
CA5 4 (16:2)-FB 
CA5 4 (16:4)-FB 
CA5 4 (17:2)-FB 
CA5 4 (17:4)-FB 
CA: SL2 12 (34-37:2) 
A 4 (7:1)-FB 
CA:SL2 12 (37:3-37:7) 
CA5 6 (9:5)-FB 
CA:SL2 12 (38:1) 
A 4 (7:2)-FB 
CA5 6 (9:6)-FB 
CA:SL2 12 (38:2-38:7) 
CA5 6 (10:1)-FB 
A 4 (7:3)-FB 
CA5 6 (10:3-10:6)-FB 
CA 220 (5:3)-FB 
A 4 (7:4)-FB 
CA5 11 (3:4)-FB-FB 
CA5 8-FB 
CA5 11 (3:1-3:3)-FB 
CA5 11 (4-10)-FB 
See Winter Soldier 
WINTER SOLDIER/JAMES BUCHANAN BUCKY BARNES 
From Bucky 
CA5 14 (17)-FB 
CA5 11 (11)-FB 
W3 40-FB 
W3 38-FB 
CA5 11 (12-18)-FB 
CA5 1-FB 
CA5 1 
 

SUB-MARINER/NAMOR MACKENZIE 
CA: SL2 3 (11:2-11:3)-FB 
SAGASM 1 
FF: SE-FB 
N 20-FB (12) 
TTA 96-FB 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 36/2 
SAGASM 2 (1-7:3) 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 38/2 
SAGASM 2 (10:2-10:5) 
ORDER 6-FB 
CA: SL2 3 (11:4)-FB 
SAGASM 2 (11-17) 
{MOTION PICTURES FUNNIES WEEKLY} 
SAGASM 2 (21:5-21:6) 
MARVEL COMICS 1/3 (9:1-9:2) 
SAGASM 2 (22) 
MARVEL COMICS 1/3 (9:3-12) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2/3 (1:1-1:3) 
SAGASM 3 (1-2) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2/3 (1:4-4:2) 
SAGASM 3 (7:1-7:4) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2/3 (4:3) 
SAGASM 3 (7:5-10:2) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2/3 (4:4-12) 
SAGASM 3 (10:3-11:2) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 3/3 (1-12:7) 
SAGASM 3 (21:2-21:5) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 3/3 (12:8) 
SAGASM 3 (21:6-22:4) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 4/3 (1-2:1) 
SAGASM 3 (22:5-22:6) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 4/3 (2:2-10) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 5/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 6/3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7/3 (1) 
SAGASM 4 (2:2-2:3) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7/3 (2-3:2) 
SAGASM 4 (2:3-2:6) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7/3 (3:3-6:7) 
SAGASM 4 (3:3-3:4) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7/3 (6:8-10) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7-BTS 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8 
SAGASM 4 (6-9:2) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8/2 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (1-7:3) 
SAGASM 4 (15:1-15:3) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (7:4-20) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 10 
SAGASM 4 (22:6) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 10/3 (1) 
SAGASM 4 (22:7-22:8) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 10/3 (2-10) 
HUMAN TORCH 2/2 
HUMAN TORCH 3/3 
HUMAN TORCH 4/3 
HUMAN TORCH 5A/3 
CA 423 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 1 (1-3) 
SAGASM 5 (1-5) 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 1 (4-20:2) 
SAGASM 5 (8-10:4) 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 1 (20:3-20:6) 
INV 4 (7:5)-FB 
SAGASM 5 (10:5-11:2) 
INV 4 (7:6)-FB 
SAGASM 5 (11:3-11:4) 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 1/2 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 17 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 2 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 2/2 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 3 
HUMAN TORCH 5B (1-55:3) 
MARVELS (38-39) 
HUMAN TORCH 5B (55:4-60) 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 4 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 4/2 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 23 
INV 29-FB 
 
INVADERS! 
 
INV2 4 
MARVELS 1 (44-45) 
TC 2 (1942) 
CA: SL2 2-FB 
CA: SL2 2 (1942) 
CA: SL2 3 
CA: SL2 4 
CA5 5-FB (11/42) 
N@ 2/2 (1943) 
CLAND 8-FB (1944) 
BP4 21-FB 
M/U 1-FB 
M/U 1 
M/U 2 (05/44) 
M/U 3 
CA '01-FB (08/44) 
CA5 3-FB (08/44) 
WX2 14-FB (1944) 
WS: WK 1-FB (12/24/44) 
SAGAHT 2 
N@ 1/2-FB 
WI? 4 (1-8) 
SAGASM 5 (17-18:1) 
WI? 4 (9-17:1) 
CA@ 6-FB (06/45) 
SAGASM 5 (18:5-19:4) 
N@ 1/3-FB (07/45) 
WI? 4 (17:2-17:5) 
SAGASM 5 (20:3-22) 
ALL WINNERS 19 
ALL WINNERS 19/6 
ALL WINNERS 19/7 
SUB-MARINER COMICS 21 
WI? 4 (18:5-34) 
ALL WINNERS 21 
ALL WINNERS 21/4 
ALL WINNERS 21/7 
S-H2 22 
SAGASM 6 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 82 
N 20-FB (14) 
 


HUMAN TORCH/JIM HAMMOND 
SAGAHT 1 (1) 
{MARVEL COMICS 1} (1) 
SAGAHT 1 (4:5-4:6) 
MARVEL COMICS 1 (2-3) 
SAGAHT 1 (6) 
MARVEL COMICS 1 (4:1-4:6) 
SAGAHT 1 (7:5-7:7) 
MARVELS 1 (7-9) 
MARVEL COMICS 1 (4:7-16) 
SAGAHT 2 (1-4:2) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 2 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 4 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 5 
MARVELS 1 (13) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 6 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (1-3) 
SAGAHT 2 (4:3-5:3) 
INV 22 (9:1-9:6)-FB 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (4:1-4:5) 
SAGAHT 2 (6:1-6:4) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (4:6-5:2) 
SAGAHT 2 (6:8-7:3) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (5:3-12:5) 
INV 22 (11-13:3)-FB, (13:6)-FB 
INV 22 (14:4)-FB 
SAGASM 3 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 7 (12:6-12:7) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8/2 (1-11) 
SAGASM 4 (6-9:2) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 8/2 (12) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (1-7:3) 
SAGASM 4 (15:1-15:3) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (7:4-7:7) 
SAGASM 4 (16:5-16:7) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 9 (8-20) 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 10 
SAGASM 4 (22:6-22:8 
INV 22 (14:5-17:1)-FB 
HUMAN TORCH 2 
HUMAN TORCH 3 
HUMAN TORCH 3/2 
HUMAN TORCH 3/3 
HUMAN TORCH 4 
HUMAN TORCH 4/2 
HUMAN TORCH 5A 
HUMAN TORCH 5A/2 
CA 423 
YOUNG ALLIES 1 
MARVEL MYSTERY COMICS 17 
HUMAN TORCH 5B (1-55:3) 
MARVELS 1 (38-39) 
HUMAN TORCH 5B (55:4-60) 
INV 29-FB 
 
INVADERS! 
 
INV2 4 
MARVELS 1 (44-45) 
TC 2 (1942) 
CA: SL2 2-FB 
CA: SL2 3-FB 
CA: SL2 2 (1942) 
CA: SL2 3 
CA: SL2 4 
CA5 5-FB (11/42) 
CLAND 8-FB (1944) 
BP4 21-FB 
M/U 1-FB 
M/U 1 
M/U 2 (05/44) 
M/U 3 
AWC 65/2-FB 
CA '01-FB (08/44) 
CA5 25-FB 
CA5 3-FB (08/44) 
WX2 14-FB (1944) 
WS: WK 1-FB-BTS (12/24/44) 
SAGAHT 2 (18-19:2) 
N@ 1/2-FB 
SAGAHT 2 (19:3-23) 
WI? 4 (1-5:4) 
SAGAHT 3 (1-4:4) 
WI? 4 (5:5-6:1) 
SAGAHT 3 (5:1) 
WI? 4 (6:2-6:6) 
YOUNG MEN 24-FB 
SVTU 17-FB 
FF3 53 (1)-FB 
WI? 4 (7:2-7:3) 
FF3 53 (2)-FB 
SAGAHT 3 (6:6-6:7) 
SAGASM 5 (1-19) 
WI? 4 (9-16) 
CA@ 6-FB (06/45) 
WI? 4 (17) 
SAGASM 5 (20-22) 
ALL WINNERS 19 
ALL WINNERS 19/4 
ALL WINNERS 19/7 
WI? 4 (18:5-34) 
ALL WINNERS 21 
ALL WINNERS 21/6 
ALL WINNERS 21/7 
S-H2 22 
 


TORO/TOM RAYMOND 
INV 22 (10:4-10:5)-FB-FB-FB 
INV 22 (13:4-13:5)-FB-FB 
INV 22 (11-13:3)-FB 
HUMAN TORCH 2-FB 
{HUMAN TORCH 2} 
HUMAN TORCH 3 
HUMAN TORCH 3/2 
HUMAN TORCH 3/3 
HUMAN TORCH 4 
HUMAN TORCH 4/2 
HUMAN TORCH 5A 
HUMAN TORCH 5A/2 
YOUNG ALLIES 1 
HUMAN TORCH 5B 
INV 29-FB 
 
INVADERS! 
 
INV2 1-FB 
MARVELS 1 
TC 2 (1942) 
CA5 5-FB (11/42) 
M/U 1-FB 
AWC 65/2-FB 
CA '01-FB (08/44) 
CA5 25-FB 
CA5 3-FB (08/44) 
WS: WK 1-FB (12/24/44) 
SAGAHT 2 (18-19:2) 
N@ 1/2-FB 
SAGAHT 2 (19:3-23) 
WI? 4 (1-5:4) 
SAGAHT 3 (1-4:4) 
WI? 4 (5:5-6:1) 
SAGAHT 3 (5:1) 
WI? 4 (6:2-6:6) 
YOUNG MEN 24-FB 
SVTU 17-FB 
FF3 53 (1)-FB 
WI? 4 (7:2-7:3) 
FF3 53 (2)-FB 
SAGAHT 3 (6:6-6:7) 
SAGASM 5 (1-19) 
WI? 4 (9-16) 
CA@ 6-FB (06/45) 
WI? 4 (17) 
SAGASM 5 (20-22) 
ALL WINNERS 19 
ALL WINNERS 19/6 
ALL WINNERS 19/7 
WI? 4 (18:5-34) 
ALL WINNERS 21 
ALL WINNERS 21/6 
ALL WINNERS 21/7 
SH2 22 
 

(edited to included recent suggestions) 

Paul Boucier wrote: 
>>>
I suppose Golden Girl would be Betty Ross I, with Gen. Thunderbolt Ross' daughter being Betty Ross II. 
<<<

Good catch. I didn't even think of that.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 04:42 pm    
By Ron Flick

Just a few comments on Cap's Golden Age chronology: 

Cap and Bucky's appearances in Domination Factor issues, DF2.4 and 3.6 were variations of the events shown in Sgt. Fury #13 and Captain America #383, which chronicled the pair's first meeting with Nick Fury. In my opinion, I would place this adventure in early 1943. 

Here are Cap/ Invaders appearances that I did not see referenced: 

Thor Corps 2-FB 
Captain America/ Nick Fury Otherworld War 
Clan Destine 8-FB 
Captain America 237-FB 

Concerning Cap's childhood, my records show he appeared in the following Captain America vol. one issues: 

CA 245 Ive seen others list this onesupposedly it shows Cap on his 16th birthday. 

CA 250 Cap is in his old classroom and is recalling a teacher he had when he was a child. 

CA 270 This one shows Arnie Roth and Cap as children. 

CA 282 This may not qualify, but it shows a distorted memory of Steve and his father together in 1929. 


Great work! 

Ron F.

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Posted: 05 Nov 2006 12:29 am
By Col_Fury

Thanks for pointing these out, Ron! I own all of them except for Thor Corps 2, and hope to get to the others soon. 

I've been holding off on various issues of Sgt. Fury, because they're in the Gap, and The Boss had called dibs. I felt Otherworld War tied into this, but I may submit an analysis anyway... 

Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
Cap and Bucky's appearances in Domination Factor issues, DF2.4 and 3.6 were variations of the events shown in Sgt. Fury #13 and Captain America #383, which chronicled the pair's first meeting with Nick Fury. In my opinion, I would place this adventure in early 1943.  
<<<

...crap. Really? It's been years since I read through all of my Sgt. Fury's, but flipping through 13 & CA 383, you're right. Hrnm. 

Speaking of time travel, Bucky's, Red Skull's, & Hitler's appearance in Captain America's Bicetennial Battles are currently not listed. Has it been revealed that Cap's travels through time created divergent pasts? Or have they just not been included yet?
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Posted: 05 Nov 2006 01:31 pm    
By Ron Flick

Quote: 
>>>
Speaking of time travel, Bucky's, Red Skull's, & Hitler's appearance in Captain America's Bicetennial Battles are currently not listed. Has it been revealed that Cap's travels through time created divergent pasts? Or have they just not been included yet? 
<<<

I've never seen anything mentioned concerning divergent pasts concerning the time travel sequences in Bicentennial Battles. I need to pull out my copy and take a look. I only recently purchased the trade paperback and have not really looked through it yet. 

Concerning the Sgt. Fury chronology....that will certainly be a major undertaking. What a continuity mess. Every once in awhile I try to make sense of it, but end up getting quite frustrated. One day I'd love to see a consensus of opinion on how it should be put together. But that is a topic for another discussion. 

I do have one burning question concerning Cap's Golden Age chronology...I know the first ten issues of Captain America Comics have almost universally been accepted as canon, as have the post war issues which are credited to the Spirit of '76/ Cap II and the Patriot/ Cap III. What issues in between are up for consideration? If certain issues are listed for the Red Skull (such as the Young Allies issues, All Select, and others), shouldn't we add those to Cap's chronology as well? I would be hesitant about adding all Golden Age stories, but it seems we should add the ones that are listed for other characters. 

What does everyone think about that? 

Thanks, 

Ron

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Posted: 05 Nov 2006 11:53 pm    
By Col_Fury

Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
What issues in between are up for consideration? 
<<<

I think they all are. My only problem is, I don't have access to any of those stories. Roughly, I'd place them according to publication dates scattered throughout all of the various FlashBacks from over the years... but without knowing what happened in those Gloden Age stories, I'd have trouble placing them. 

Cap II, III, & IV didn't present much of a problem to my mind, because there really aren't that many post-Golden Age stories concerning them. The ones that do seem fairly straight forward in their placements. 


Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
...Golden Age stories, but it seems we should add the ones that are listed for other characters.  
<<<

Absolutely. I'll eventually get to my Masterworks of All-Winners 1-4, but until I can get my hands on some reprints of other books... 


Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
Concerning the Sgt. Fury chronology....that will certainly be a major undertaking. What a continuity mess. Every once in awhile I try to make sense of it, but end up getting quite frustrated. One day I'd love to see a consensus of opinion on how it should be put together. But that is a topic for another discussion.  
<<<

That's one of my New Year's Resolutions for 2007. 
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Posted: 06 Nov 2006 08:02 am    
By Ron Flick

Quote: 
>>>
Absolutely. I'll eventually get to my Masterworks of All-Winners 1-4, but until I can get my hands on some reprints of other books...  
<<<

Two years ago, I purchased about two-thirds of the Golden Age Timely/ Marvel Comics that were available on microfiche from Microcolour. I have nearly all of Captain America's appearances in the various comic titles. Unfortunately not much was put on microfiche for the comics published between 1946 and 1949. I am currently going through Captain America Comics 1-60 and listing characters, guest stars, villains, and locations. 

The primary hangup when it comes to chronicalling these adventures is trying to figure what to do about the sudden shifts in locations in most every issue. Obviously, when these comics were being published and read, it was more interesting and exotic to have Steve, Bucky, and their army unit show up in all parts of the world fighting the enemy. In one issue, the first story might take place at Camp Lehigh, the next might have the unit stationed in the South Pacific, and the third story might be set in Europe. Once in awhile, the boys show up in India, Burma, Russia, or other parts of the U.S. Realistically, it would make more sense to try to group certain stories in blocks of time all taking place in one general area. Then the location could shift to somewhere else. Roy Thomas wanted to establish that Cap and Bucky were almost permanently stationed in England with the Invaders after the U.S. entry into the war. He never ever showed Steve and Bucky as enlisted men with their platoon, which really did a disservice to all the old Golden Age stories set in Camp Lehigh and elsewhere. 

So, I have been giving some thought as to how to chronicle these many adventures, at the same time trying to integrate the various modern-day stories that have been inserted into continuity. I'd like your thoughts on this. 

Thanks, 

Ron

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Posted: 07 Nov 2006 02:46 am    
By Col_Fury

Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
Two years ago, I purchased about two-thirds of the Golden Age Timely/ Marvel Comics that were available on microfiche from Microcolour. I have nearly all of Captain America's appearances in the various comic titles.  
<<<
 
I am insanely jealous. Seriously. 


Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
Roy Thomas wanted to establish that Cap and Bucky were almost permanently stationed in England with the Invaders after the U.S. entry into the war. He never ever showed Steve and Bucky as enlisted men with their platoon 
<<<

I've tended to think of LeHigh as a 'cover,' or a place for Steve to be when there wasn't a mission to be on. And when there was a mission, there was always an official 'excuse' for him to scoot on out of there. 


Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
In one issue, the first story might take place at Camp Lehigh, the next might have the unit stationed in the South Pacific, and the third story might be set in Europe. Once in awhile, the boys show up in India, Burma, Russia, or other parts of the U.S. Realistically, it would make more sense to try to group certain stories in blocks of time all taking place in one general area. Then the location could shift to somewhere else.  
<<<

That does make sense. On the one hand I'm thinking just list all the issues in publication order, and assume a lot of BTS moving around. On the other, I really like this line of thought, as it would erase the need for a BTS explanation. 

I mean, I'm attempting to put all of these stories on a calendar of events. Captain America Comics 11-48(published Feb '42 to July '45) would be 38 comics spread accross 36 Marvel months(May '42 to April '45), with an average of what, three stories per comic? Grouping these according to location would allow for more stories to happen in lesser time, considering everything else that 'happened' in FlashBack around these Golden Age comics, not to mention other Golden Age comics that he appeared in. 

Also, comics in the Golden Age didn't really follow a plot from issue to issue. They were a bunch of stand alone stories grouped together. There's no real reason to keep them in publication order other than that was the order they were published in. 

But then, I like the idea that these stories 'happened' roughly when they were published. Meaning Captain America Comics 29 'happened' roughly in August of '43.(speaking of '43, I'm kind of surprised that of all the WWII FlashBacks for Cap, hardly any are set in '43. Perhaps that's the unofficial 'Golden Age Year' where all of his Golden Age adventures get crammed into) 


Ron Flick wrote: 
>>>
I'd like your thoughts on this.  
<<<

I'm liking it. I'm still thinking about it, but I'm liking it. 

Anyone else?
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Thread 6

Posted: 07 Nov 2006 03:37 pm    Post subject: Kingpin correction
By Enda80

CA 148 
DHKF 8/2-BTS 
BG 1-BTS 
BG 2-BTS 
BG 3-BTS 
ASM 153-BTS 
ASM 154 
ASM 159 

That was not the Kingpin in Black Goliath. Marvel Fanfare I#3 shows it was Connors of CTE in those issues. Recent Handbooks have supported this. 


BTW 

When did Daredevil first encounter members of the Kingpin's group? The two first met face to face in DD#170 or so, but Fisk therein alluded to Daredevil having faced members of his organization before Fisk retired to Japan.

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Thread 7

Posted: 16 Nov 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: MTU w/ Spider-man & Cissy Ironwood
By cweed4

Currently listed as: 

ASM 182- proposes to MJ 
ASM 183 
ASM 184- Betty Brant returns 
ASM 185 
PPTSS 21 
M/TU 72 
T 271 
PPTSS 22 
PPTSS 23 
ASM 185/2 
ASM 186 
M/TU 73 
PPTSS 24 
M/TU 74 
M/TU 75 
M/TU 76 
M/TU 77 
M/TU 78 
GZILL 24 
M/TU 80 
M/TU 81 
UX 123- on way to date w/Cissy 
M/TU 90 
M/TU@ 2- death of Prof. Ironwood (last Cissy) 
M/TU 86 
M/TU 87 
M/TU 88- on assignment for the Globe 
M/TU 89 
CA 237 
M/TU 91 
PPTSS 25 
PPTSS 26 
PPTSS 27 
PPTSS 28 
PPTSS 29 
PPTSS 30 
PPTSS 31 
PPTSS 32 
ASM 187 
ASM 188 
ASM 189 
ASM 190 
FF 204 
ASM 190 
ASM 191 
ASM 192 
ASM 201-FB 
ASM 192- last straw for MJ (PP misses date) 
ASM 193 
FF 207- takes job w/Globe 
PPTSS 32 
PPTSS 33 
PPTSS 34 
ASM 194 
ASM 195- blows off Betty 
ASM 196 
ASM 197 
ASM 198 
ASM 199 
ASM 200 
FF@ 14 
UX 135 

Here are my 3 problems with this block of Spidey chronology: 
-The entire Cissy Ironwood girlfriend subplot is out of character for this timeframe (This is my biggest disagreement.) PP had just proposed to MJ for the first time in ASM 182. Despite her rejection they continue to go on dates after that. Then Betty Brant returns with romantic intentions towards PP in ASM 184. Good old Mr. Parker is quite confounded to find himself in this love triangle. Its seems uncharacteristic that he would start romancing a new co-ed at that point in time. It would work much better after MJ gives up on Pete (ASM 192), he blows off Betty (ASM 195), and gets his "new start" in grad school (PPTSS 32). 

-UX 123 fits better before M/TU 80 which allows issue 90 to maintain its normal order followed by M/TU @2. UX 123 has Spidey on his way to a date with Ms. Ironwood only to be interrupted by Arcade kidnapping numerous X-men. This is probably not a direct prelude to their dates in #80 or #90 (because if it was he apparently abandons any attempt to help the X-men after confirming his suspicions). But, if it is a lead-in to one of those dates it makes more sense that he is distracted by Dr. Strange as a wolfman:shock: in M/TU 80 than when teaming up w/ former X-man Beast in M/TU 90. 

-FF 207 establishes Mr Parker first accepting work for the Daily Globe but he is snapping pix for that fishwrap in M/TU 88. There is even a reference to PP's previous meeting w/ Bushkin from wayyy back in ASM 27 (thus it discounts the possibility that his work in 88 is some test assignment). I don't have the FF issues to see how this effects Sue Storm's chronology but it definitely doesn't work for Spidey. 


So here is how I would suggest to order this stretch. 

ASM 182- proposes to MJ 
ASM 183 
ASM 184- Betty Brant returns 
ASM 185 
PPTSS 21 
M/TU 72 
T 271 
PPTSS 22 
PPTSS 23 
ASM 185/2 
ASM 186 
M/TU 73 
PPTSS 24 
M/TU 74 
M/TU 75 
M/TU 76 
M/TU 77 
M/TU 78 
GZILL 24 
PPTSS 25 
PPTSS 26 
PPTSS 27 
PPTSS 28 
PPTSS 29 
PPTSS 30 
PPTSS 31 
PPTSS 32 
ASM 187 
ASM 188 
ASM 189 
ASM 190 
FF 204 
ASM 190 
ASM 191 
ASM 192 
ASM 201-FB 
ASM 192- last straw for MJ (PP misses date) 
ASM 193 
FF 207- takes job w/Globe 
PPTSS 32 
PPTSS 33 
PPTSS 34 
ASM 194 
ASM 195- blows off Betty 
ASM 196 
ASM 197 
ASM 198 
ASM 199 
ASM 200 
UX 123- on way to date w/Cissy 
M/TU 80 
M/TU 81 
M/TU 86 
M/TU 87 
M/TU 88- on assignment for the Globe 
M/TU 89 
M/TU 90 
M/TU@ 2- death of Prof. Ironwood (last Cissy) 
CA 237 
M/TU 91 
FF@ 14 
UX 135 


Please show me the error of my ways  

Love the site 

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Posted: 18 Nov 2006 01:48 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Welcome to the Project. 

Paul Bourcier may be better equipped to answer your direct concerns. I'll only address a couple of general issues. 

You appear to be suggesting what sounds to you to be a "better" placement. While we can recognize differing opinions on what a better placement might be, as a general rule, we don't change the listings here based on preferences. Once the chronological order is determined, we only consider making a change if you can prove that the chronologies in the Project can't be right. We don't make the changes based on "better" placement. 

I see you're making the attempt to rearrange the listings so that the Marvel Team-Up stories can take place in publishing order. 

Most people here (including myself) are loathe to place issues of a sequential title out of their publishing order, unless a simple reading of the stories makes it clear that they can't take place in publishing order. A good example of this would be ASM2 36. 

Some members of the Project (the chief proponent probably being Paul Bourcier) contend that it is acceptable to place issues out of order, with respect to surrounding issues of the same title, if it's necessary to place the stories on an absolute calendar (assuming you can do so without violating other plot and chronological elements of the story or title). 

The Marvel Team-Up issues that you've cited here are a peculiar animal, in that we have an official statement from Marvel that these stories did, in fact, occur out of sequence. The order that we use here is provided to us by The Official Marvel Index to Marvel Team-Up, and as it's Marvel's official word, we honor it, unless you can prove to us that it can't be right. 


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Posted: 19 Nov 2006 08:16 am    
By cweed4

You seem to have me on the "better" placement angle. The only issue from that run which can't fit is the MTU 88 because of the previously mentioned Globe problem. 

I wasn't trying to pigeonhole these issues simply based on publishing release. However, the actual release dates do suggest that the Cissy relationship probably was meant as a rebound relationship. Her 1st appearance in MTU 80 (Apr. '79) is just 2 months before the MJ break-up and return of Ned Leeds in ASM 193 (continuing out of the ManWolf/Smythe/JJJ storyline). 

I figured there was probably some index that explained the ordering of these issues.

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Thread 8

Posted: 19 Nov 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Wolverine in X-Men Annual 12
By ashram316

Why is UX@12 listed in between W2 6 and 7? At the end of W2 6, Wolverine and company are battling Coy in Madripoor. The final panel has the prince of Madripoor making a dramatic entrance. W2 7 begins exactly where 6 left off. There is no time gap for Wolvie to go to the Savage Land, battle terminus with the X-Men and then come back to Madripoor, re-enter the room, while everyone else in that scene had been patiently waiting for his return. W2 4-8 all happen back to back with little to no interuption. X@12 should be placed after W2 8.

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Posted: 19 Nov 2006 02:00 pm    
By Somebody

Well, technically Wolverine #7 opens with a Hulk interlude, but otherwise yeah, if you ignore that interlude it's absolutely continuous.

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Posted: 19 Nov 2006 10:43 pm   
By Dhall

Per the Official Index to the X-Men V2 #4 for UX @ 12: 

Wolverine (last in Wolverine Vol.2 #8) 

And here I thought we always went by the Official Index, unless it Couldn't happen that way... 

heh....

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Posted: 19 Nov 2006 10:52 pm    
By Mikhail

I posted this a little while back, on a similar subject: 

http://www.chronologyproject.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=2473&highlight=

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Posted: 19 Nov 2006 10:55 pm    
By ashram316

I agree with you totally. I didn't bring up the armor because I felt the lack of a time gap was enough to get the issues moved.

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 02:24 pm    
By Ocean Doot

Ashram, the Official Handbook is indeed wrong. The events of Wolverine #8 can't occur before Uncanny X-Men Annual #12, because UX Annual 12 takes place before the conclusion of the Evolutionary War. 

The Evolutionary War climax (its an Avengers Annual, I dont recall the number) takes place explicitly in between Incredible Hulk 350 and 351, at a time when the Hulk was always the Hulk, and did not turn back into Banner at all. 

But the Hulk in Wolverine 7-8 turns back to Banner at sunrise. That shift in the status quo didnt occur until Incredible Hulk 352-353. 


So, Wolverine 7-8 (the Hulk bits) have to take place after Hulk 353, which takes place after Hulk 351, which takes place after the Evolutionary War ends, which means all of that stuff takes place after Uncanny X-Men Annual 12. 

This is why in that earlier thread I suggested there has to be a break in Wolverine 7. The first part, in which Wolverine removes the armor from Tyger, can go before the X-Men issues with Psylock wearing it, and the latter part can be placed after all the Evolutionary War stuff.

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Posted: 21 Nov 2006 04:58 am    
By Somebody

Ocean Doot wrote: 
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So, Wolverine 7-8 (the Hulk bits) have to take place after Hulk 353, which takes place after Hulk 351, which takes place after the Evolutionary War ends, which means all of that stuff takes place after Uncanny X-Men Annual 12. 

This is why in that earlier thread I suggested there has to be a break in Wolverine 7. The first part, in which Wolverine removes the armor from Tyger, can go before the X-Men issues with Psylock wearing it, and the latter part can be placed after all the Evolutionary War stuff. 
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*pointing out for the second time that Wolverine #7 opens with the Hulk, setting up Hulk going to Madripoor the same day*

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Posted: 21 Nov 2006 09:31 am    
By Ocean Doot

"*pointing out for the second time that Wolverine #7 opens with the Hulk, setting up Hulk going to Madripoor the same day*" 

Except I don't remember there being any explicit temporal references saying that the opening sequence occurs on the same day as the rest of the issue.

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Posted: 21 Nov 2006 09:37 am    
By Ocean Doot

To clarify the post I made seconds earlier ... My point is that the opening Hulk sequence (it's just the Hulk getting hired to fly to Madripoor) could be set earlier (circa Hulk 348), 

or 

ALL the Hulk sequences must be happening out of chronological order with the Wolverine sequences, until the two characters come together at the end of Wolverine #7. I'd opine that that's probably the more likely scenario -- since there's a cut in the middle of Wolverine #7 to the Hulk on the road, where he gets into a fight with a biker gang. Claremont probably meant for all this to be happening in the order it's presented, but in order to make this parse properly with the Evolutionary War, I think you have to view the Hulk sequences in the first half of the issue as taking place later than they appear to be.

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Thread 9

Posted: 20 Nov 2006 03:41 pm    Post subject: Ant-Man Flashbacks
By Mikhail

So according to the flashbacks to the Helicarrier from Irredeemable Ant-Man #1-2, Eric O'Grady first gets the suit in events occurring behind the scenes of Wolverine (3rd series) #26-28. The evil Tony Stark, Iron Maniac, is mentioned as a prisoner on the Helicarrier, meaning Marvel Team-Up (3rd series) #1-6 occurs prior to these events, but Wolverine is not an Avenger yet at this point, meaning New Avengers #1-5 and MTU #7 onwards occur afterwards. 

Any problems?

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 05:48 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Nope. Robert Kirkman confirmed a while back, replying to an e-mail I sent him, that MTU3 #1-6 were rewritten by editorial to occur before A4 #1... 

EDIT: Hmm. Wolverine being an agent of HYDRA was referenced in UX #460, so MTU3 #1-6 would have to predate that issue as well -- and since X-23 is in the Savage Land from UX #455-460, and X-23 is in MTU3 #5, the arc would have to occur before UX #455 -- and after X #165, which was when X-23 came to the mansion. 

I remember having a discussion about A4 / W3 / MTU3 / UX placement several months ago, but I don't recall which side of UX #455-460 we decided to put MTU3 #1-6 on. Looks like it's the "prior to" side. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 21 Nov 2006 05:02 am    
By Somebody

jephyork wrote: 
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Nope. Robert Kirkman confirmed a while back, replying to an e-mail I sent him, that MTU3 #1-6 were rewritten by editorial to occur before A4 #1... 
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So? Surely if what's in the comic is changed so that it != the original intention, the original intention is null and void. You need wiggle room to bring pre-rewrite versions in for clues. 


jephyork wrote: 
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EDIT: Hmm. Wolverine being an agent of HYDRA was referenced in UX #460, so MTU3 #1-6 would have to predate that issue as well -- and since X-23 is in the Savage Land from UX #455-460, and X-23 is in MTU3 #5, the arc would have to occur before UX #455 -- and after X #165, which was when X-23 came to the mansion. 

I remember having a discussion about A4 / W3 / MTU3 / UX placement several months ago, but I don't recall which side of UX #455-460 we decided to put MTU3 #1-6 on. Looks like it's the "prior to" side. 
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Okay, my copies of this are buried somewhere I don't want to bother with, but didn't UX455 open with Wolverine, and he got "forgotten" about mid-arc, with UX460 saying in turn it was in the middle of Enemy of the State in some way that didn't quite make sense?

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Posted: 21 Nov 2006 10:23 am    
By Mikhail

I think the "Nope" was to my "Any problems?"

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Posted: 21 Nov 2006 01:05 pm    
By ashram316

UX 460 begins somewhere in the middle of 'enemy of the state.' There is a '2 week' time gap mid-issue. It is then stated that the end of enemy of the state, as well as pheonix: endsong, occur within this break.

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Posted: 22 Nov 2006 02:23 am
By jephyork
Director

Editorial intent trumps writer's intent, IMO. 

And yes, Wolverine appears in UX #455 -- the team goes to rescue him, ends up in the Savage Land, and by the time they get home Wolvie's been brainwashed by the Hand. Looks like he got home on his own. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 22 Nov 2006 08:43 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Mikhail, since you brought up the topic of flashbacks in Irredeemable Ant-Man #1-2, would you consider posting a full analysis of these issues in the Issue Analysis forum? (I assume these issues are not part of a larger story arc.)
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Posted: 22 Nov 2006 01:21 pm    
By Mikhail

I'm not sure, I think they're still doing some more flashbacks to catch up to the present day half of the stories.

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Thread 10

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 04:22 pm    Post subject: X-Men vs Teen Titans placement?
By wolframbane

I know that X-Men vs Teen Titans (1982) is considered non-canon, but f it did occur, between what issues of UX would have occurred?

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Posted: 21 Nov 2006 05:18 pm    
By Jason Doty

I would place it somewhere around UX 168. It has to be after the building is destroyed in UX 155 (I think it has been awile), after the mansion is rebuilt (the X-Men were operating off Magneto's island awile), so that would make it after they returned from space, in UX 167.

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Posted: 22 Nov 2006 09:28 am    
By Ocean Doot

Jason's right, I think. It has to go in between X-Men 167 and X-Men 168. 

There are two chronological clues X-Men/Teen Titans that put it squarely there. 

1.) The aforementioned demolished building from X-Men 155. This means it's also after the destruction of the X-mansion in X-Men 154. As Jason said, this pushes it all the way up to after the mansion is rebuilt and the X-Men have returned from space (167). 

2.) Kitty has Gar transform into Lockheed the Dragon, from "KItty's Fairy Tale." The reference by Colossus to Lockheed as his and Kitty's "special character" means that the real Lockheed has not yet made his presence known on Earth (which he does in X-Men 168). That's the clue that locks it in from the other direction. 

Of course, this means that XMen/Teen Titans has Kitty operating as an active member of the team even though she was demoted to student at the end of X-Men 167 and doesn't get reinstated as a proper member until the end of X-Men 168. 

But, if you read the issue, this *almost* works. Kitty is making dinner for the team at the beginning of the story while the rest of the team practices. And later she just gets kidnapped along with the rest of the X-Men, so she's kind of forced to actively participate in the story, in spite of her demotion.

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Posted: 22 Nov 2006 10:23 pm    
By wolframbane

Thanks for the feedback guys. For my X-Timeline, I think I can safely place the (non-canon) events of this issu between UX 167-168.

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Thread 11

Posted: 04 Jul 2005 03:27 pm    Post subject: X-Factor Annual 2
By metaldragon

I noticed you have put X-Factor Annual #2 after the Incredible Hulk issues and before X-Factor #21 in the chronologies for each of the characters involved. (Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Marvel Girl...) There is a problem with this; in X-Factor #19, Beast is touched by Pestilence and is deathly ill up until X-Factor #21 when he finally gets out of bed. 

There is a better spot for the story to fit in: after X-Factor #18 where Cyclops and Marvel Girl fight each other about the Phoenix and before they clean up the mess from that fight in issue 19, the issue where The Beast gets infected. 

It forms a nice resolution to the Phoenix arguement which, in the Annual, Marvel Girl is still upset about but lays to rest seeing the place where the Phoenix died. The arguement seems to be over and never re-appears between them after this point. After witnessing a fight like that, I'm sure Artie and Leech definately could have used some time playing in the park to get their minds off it! Also, the Beast shows no sign of being sick and noone mentions that he has been, or seems worried about him either! They seem constantly worried about him in X-Factor #21. 

Jay
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Posted: 09 Jul 2005 01:37 pm    
By metaldragon

Re-reading X-Factor #18 and 19 I noticed a snag to my theory... In #18 Iceman, Beast, and Caliban leave to search for Boom Boom. They are still searching in #19. Still, dosen't mean they couldn't have taken a break from it and joined Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Artie and Leech in Central Park while Caliban watched the other trainees for a while. 

Jay
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Posted: 09 Jul 2005 01:44 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

metaldragon wrote: 
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Also, the Beast shows no sign of being sick and noone mentions that he has been, or seems worried about him either! They seem constantly worried about him in X-Factor #21. 
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This bit of evidece doesn't qualify. We don't use lack of evidence as evidence. If there's no sign that he's been sick, if no one mentions he's been sick, that's only evidence that his sickness isn't pertinent to the story that the writer's trying to tell. 


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Posted: 09 Jul 2005 04:00 pm    
By metaldragon

OK, lets contrast the dialogue in each of these issues then. In the Annual Scott and Jean go on an on about the Phoenix. This is obviously a very raw wound for them both as seen in issue 18. At no point do Jean and Scott argue about the Phoenix during X-Factor issues 19 or 20 or the two Hulk issues that take place between X-Factor 20 and 21. In fact, in issue 19 they seem to have resolved all the tension between them and have become understanding, intimate and forgiving. They move on to talk about their problem with their public relations manager Hodge. 

From issues 21-31 everyone is constantly telling Beast to take it easy (EVERY issue! Often MANY TIMES an issue!) because each time he exerts himself he gets stronger and dumber. From issue 19 up to just before issue 21 Beast was so feverish and ill from Pestilence's touch they had to sedate him. The opening dialogue of X-Factor 21 implies he hasn't been out of bed until that point and he should have never left it. Page 1. Scott: "Hank! What are you doing?" Page 2: Jean: "He's too heavy for you, Hank! You're sick! You should be in bed!" Page 6 we see him back in bed. This is a very strong contrast to Iceman casually chatting with Beast in Central Park about hot chocolate and Scott & Jean's fight over the Phoenix in the Annual. The fact that no one tries to stop Beast from doing anything because he is too sick at any point in the Annual is very telling in my opinion. 

There is a stronger case for Iceman, Beast, and Caliban taking a break from their fruitless search for Boom Boom between X-Factor #18 & #19 and meeting up with Scott, Jean, Artie, & Leech in Central Park after S&J's fight, than having Scott, Jean, and Bobby return from battling the Hulk to take Hank and the kids out to the park (and end up battling Quicksilver, Lockjaw, and Maximus on the moon) only to scold Hank for being out of bed in X-Factor 21! It's possible but, from the dialogue evidence much less likely. 

Jay
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Posted: 09 Jul 2005 04:37 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

metaldragon wrote: 
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OK, lets contrast the dialogue in each of these issues then. In the Annual Scott and Jean go on an on about the Phoenix. This is obviously a very raw wound for them both as seen in issue 18. At no point do Jean and Scott argue about the Phoenix during X-Factor issues 19 or 20 or the two Hulk issues that take place between X-Factor 20 and 21. In fact, in issue 19 they seem to have resolved all the tension between them and have become intimate and forgiving. They move on to talk about their problem with their public relations manager Hodge. 

From issues 21-31 everyone is constantly telling Beast to take it easy (EVERY issue! Often MANY TIMES an issue!) because each time he exerts himself he gets stronger and dumber. From issue 19 up to just before issue 21 Beast was so feverish and ill from Pestilence's touch they had to sedate him. The opening dialogue of X-Factor 21 implies he hasn't been out of bed until that point and he should have never left it. Page 1. Scott: "Hank! What are you doing?" Page 2: Jean: "He's too heavy for you, Hank! You're sick! You should be in bed!" Page 6 we see him back in bed. This is a very strong contrast to Iceman casually chatting with Beast in Central Park about hot chocolate and Scott & Jean's fight over the Phoenix in the Annual. The fact that no one tries to stop Beast from doing anything because he is too sick at any point in the Annual is very telling in my opinion. 
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You seem to be ignoring what I'm saying. I'm saying we don't accept lack of evidence as evidence here, and yet both these paragraphs are telling us about things that we *don't* see, or hear. The fact that we don't see or hear something is not evidence. 

For instance, you cite above the lack of a "Phoenix argument" in the Hulk stories as a reason for changing the listings here. Is there something in the Hulk stories that would cause a Phoenix argument, or is it possible that the writer was trying to tell a story that didn't need for Cyclops and Marvel Girl to argue about Phoenix, and thus, he simply didn't show it? 

Like a judge ruling on the admissability of evidence, your "lack of evidence" argument will eventually be thrown out. Note, that's just this bit of evidence; not your entire argument. 

Although, be careful; it can potentially weaken your argument, to lose one of your legs. 

Concentrate on the story elements. Tell us why it can't happen that way. For instance: 

<made-up argument> 
In XF 19, Dr. Knowitall tells Beast, "don't get out of this bed until I tell you it's okay, or you'll die." Jean says, "Don't worry, Doctor. I'll stay with him, and make sure he doesn't even sit up." 

In XF 21, Beast throws the bedcovers back, and Jean is right there, to say, "What are you doing? You know that Dr. Knowitall told you not to get out of bed, and he hasn't given his okay yet." 
</made-up argument> 

Now, that's an extreme example. You might be able to prove your point by concentrating on Hank's sickness. What do you mean by "deathly ill"? 

Your second paragraph above would be a pretty good reason not to place the annual anywhere in the run from XF 21-31, but it's not placed there anyway. 

But forget about using things that we *don't* see, or we *don't* hear, as your evidence. It's just not accepted as evidence here. 


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Posted: 09 Jul 2005 05:58 pm    
By metaldragon

OK! I see what you mean. Allright then, let's detail Beast's health after being touched by Pestilence: 

X-Factor #19, page 19. X-Factor fights the Horsemen in Central Park. Pestilence touches Beast. He collapses unconscious. Caliban: "The Beast burns with fever, Cyclops! He looks as though he might be dying!" Marvel Girl levitates Beast, Iceman (who is frozen solid in a block of ice), Cyclops, and Caliban away. 

X-Factor #20, page 5. Beast is still unconscious and being carried by Caliban and Cyclops out of the Morlock tunnels (where Marvel Girl took them to get away from the reporters swarming Central Park) into the X-Factor building. Iceman is still frozen in his block of ice until Rusty melts it. 
Page 7. Infirmary. Beast is totally delerious and thinks he is still fighting the Horsemen. Jean: "Great, one of them is freezing, the other burning up with fever--" Scott: "He may be sick but he seems stronger than ever! Jean get me a hypo! We gotta knock him out!" The trainee kids go out during the night to de-ice Central Park. 
Page 22. The next morning everyone is in the infirmary watching the news Iceman is awake and seems to have recovered from his powers going wildly out of control but we see that Beast is still unconscious. Jean: "We just got a call! A grey mutant giant is terrorizing a town in Illinois! We'll be leaving in about ten minutes!" Note in corner of pannel: *See Hulk#336 on sale now! Bob. 

Hulk #336, page 5. Iceman, Marvel Girl, and Cyclops are in a training room in X-Factor Headquarters. Iceman is trying out his powers. Beast is nowhere to be seen. Skids enters and says she checked out the call from Sparta, Illinois, Scott says: "Allright. Jean and I will check it out" Iceman insists on coming. They leave. Without Beast. I'm assuming this takes place in the 10 minutes before they leave like Jean said they would in X-Factor #20. They arrive, fight the Hulk, and Iceman imobilises him in a massive, intensely cold glacier. 

Hulk #337. At the end of this issue after fighting a corrupt SHIELD on their Gamma Base, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, and Iceman are dropped off at a rental car place somewhere in New Mexico where they leave to recover their plane at St. Louis Airport in Illinois and fly back to New York. 

X-Factor #21, page 1 & 2. Cyclops, Marvel Girl, and Iceman, in their blue mutant hunter uniforms, spot Cameron Hodge in a hall in the X-Factor building. Beast is seen mid leap (wearing only mauve pajama pants) knocking Hodge's legs out from under him. Clearly not in X-Factor uniform, X-terminators costume, or regular clothes. Dialogue quoted earlier ensues. Page 1. Scott: "Hank! What are you doing?" Page 2: Jean: "He's too heavy for you, Hank! You're sick! You should be in bed!" We see the building is still damaged from the fight in X-Factor #18 and this is the first time any of them have seen Hodge since that issue. 
Page 3 & 4. Cyclops is upset about the Phoenix hologram from that issue and blames Hodge for it but it seems to be no longer in the computer system. Cyclops orders Hodge to clean out his desk and leave. 
Page 5. Caliban looks in on them because he heard the shouting. He says to them: "Caliban would like to help, but his is not a physical power, like yours. He can sense the presence of other mutants... ...but he is useless in battle... as our recent conflict with the Horsemen of Apocalypse proved! Caliban was useless! And Bobby and Hank almost died!" 
Page 6. Beast is back in bed in the infirmary. He says to the kids he still dosen't feel well, physically, but his strength seems to have increased. 
Page 9. Beast, as he's getting out of bed, with an anxious Rusty standing by says: "Maybe I'm not well, Rusty, but wild horses couldn't keep me from the reading of this will!" 

From this point on, like I said, every issue up to 31 the rest of the team nag Hank to take it easy because he's ill. Often MANY TIMES. Have I stressed that they do it a lot? 

So, actually, your example isn't far off! lol! 

Jay 


(Later addition) 

Contrasting evidence: 

X-Factor Annual #2. This seems to be a normal day in Central Park. There is no evidence of the dammage caused during XF 19 in the artwork and noone mentions anything about dammage to the park or the massive fight with the Horsemen in any dialogue at any point in this issue. 

Scott and Jean are still arguing about the events of XF 18. They manage to keep it civil because they are out in public, but it continues to be a very raw subject throughout this issue (during breaks in action) right up to the very end when Jean finally forgives Scott and they go off to see the spot where Phoenix sacrificed herself. 

Hank and Bobby are smiling and joking with one another and Hank appears to be perfectly healthy. (Iceman still has problems with his powers of course.) When Quicksilver tries to kidnap Franklin; Scott, Jean, Bobby, and Hank quickly change into costume. At no point do they try to stop Hank from changing too or tell him to stay on the sidelines because he's too sick after he does. 

Conclusion: This story fits much better between XF 18 & 19 than between H 337 & XF 21. If Bobby, Hank, and Caliban take a break in their pointless search for Boom Boom between XF 18 & 19, this fits perfectly. 

Otherwise, between H 337 & XF 21 you have a really, really sick Hank running around fighting Quicksilver, Lockjaw, & Maximus like there's nothing wrong with him (then everyone suddenly jumps on him and keeps him in bed like he's on death's door and constantly worry about him every issue until he's turned furry again.), Scott and Jean resuming an arguement (in a VERY melodramatic way) they've let drop for 4 issues, and a suddenly, miraculously healed Central Park. That just dosen't make much sense to me.
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Posted: 28 Oct 2006 12:06 pm    
By Shadowdragon

Is there any reason why X-Factor Annual 2 should be after X-Factor 20? If there isn't then why not just move it to after X-Factor 18?

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 09:18 am    
By ashram316

At first, I was also leaning towards moving XF@2, but after re-reading the issues at hand, I don't feel that moving it is necessary. Both placements seem equally problematic. If we put the annual after 18, we assume that Beast, Iceman and Caliban stop searching for Boom-Boom, Caliban goes home, and the others go take a walk in the park. If we put it after 20, we assume that Beast is healthy enough to walk around after slightly recovering from the battle with the Horsemen. Neither solution works completely, but I am inclined to leave it where it is, since Beast is in fact able to walk and jump around in XF 20.

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Posted: 23 Nov 2006 05:12 am    
By metaldragon

Erm... I think you mean XF 21. Cyclops injected Beast with a sedative early on in XF 20 and he was still unconscious at the end of the issue. He did not go with Cyclops, Iceman, and Marvel Girl to Illinois in Hulk 366-367 which followed directly on from the end of XF 20. 

His one tackle (of Hodge) at the begninning of XF 21 got him sent straight to bed in the infirmary again. He got up later in the issue to attend the reading of Warren's will but was still sweating and ill. Dialogue in XF 22 infers that the events in that issue were the first exertion he had done since Pestilence touched him in XF 19. 

XF@ 2 just does not fit there. I still find it much more likely that Iceman, Beast, and Caliban took a brief break from their totally futile search for Boom Boom (she was off planet with the Fallen Angels) at the end of XF 18 to take the two younger kids to the (undamaged) Central Park, etc. in XF@ 2 and continued the search sometime before the beginning XF 19.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2006 09:47 pm    
By ashram316

You're right, I did mean XF 21. I went back and looked again and I have flipped on the issue. Between 18 and 19 is the best spot for it. If there is no reason that it can't be moved, I don't see why it shouldn't. I am curious as to why it was placed there in the first place though.

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Thread 12

Posted: 04 Jan 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Mega Morphs
By wolframbane

Are the events of the Mega Morphs series canon? Just the thought of a Spider-Man Transformer...

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 03:29 am
By JLH

Not much sillier than the Spider-Buggy. Or the implications of the solicts for upcoming ASM with "Spidey gets a new costume, thanks to his pal, Tony Stark!"

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 12:19 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Well, by Wolvie's costume, the series occurs post-ReLoad -- and features Doctor Doom as a villain. By ReLoad Doom's been dead and gone for some time, so my first instinct is to say the series is non-canon -- but Doom just showed up alive and well in the recent FF Special, so his return might be in the cards. In which case, maybe "MegaMorphs" simply occurs in the near future. 

Of course, there's other chronological bits: 

- Spidey's in his classic costume, so it has to occur before his upcoming Big Change (and maybe before "The Other", which precipitates it) 

- Wolvie's about to change back to his brown costume, so it has to occur before *that* 

- we see a few students at the X-Men's school, so it *probably* occurs before Decimation 

- the Hulk is still around, so it's before he gets booted off-planet in "Planet Hulk" 

- in the "MegaMorphs: Ghost Rider" minicomic (included with the toy of the same name), we learn that the Ghost Rider featured here is Johnny Blaze. Which I don't think has been the case for YEARS. 

- Doom steals the Power Gem (yes, of the Infinity / Soul Gems) from some underwater complex. When did we last see the Power Gem? 

So, IF: 

- Johnny Blaze becomes Ghost Rider again (or I missed something and he still is) 

- Doom returns and retakes Latveria (just as he has in the FF Special) 

- the students seen at the X-Men's school can be considered to be the few remaining post-Decimation students 

- we can wiggle things so Spidey and Wolvie's upcoming costume changes, as well as "Planet Hulk", occur after Doom's return 
- the Power Gem isn't unavailable or elsewhere 

...THEN "MegaMorphs" has a slot in which it can occur. THEN we can debate whether or not it's just too silly to be canon. 

-Jeph! 

Oh yeah, and Red Ronin's in the hands of SHIELD. Does this fit too?

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 12:30 pm    
By Somebody

With the forenote that I don't think this series is even POTENTIALLY canon... 

jephyork wrote: 
>>>
- Spidey's in his classic costume, so it has to occur before his upcoming Big Change (and maybe before "The Other", which precipitates it) 
<<<

And yet, on the post-Other MKSM and FNSM covers, he's still wearing his classic suit. It's only ASM that's showing any sign of changing. 


jephyork wrote: 
>>>
- Wolvie's about to change back to his brown costume, so it has to occur before *that* 
<<<

Nope. He'll be wearing the brown costume in Wolverine: Origins and the yellow & blue everywhere else. 


jephyork wrote: 
>>>
- Doom steals the Power Gem (yes, of the Infinity / Soul Gems) from some underwater complex. When did we last see the Power Gem? 
<<<

Thanos #1-6. I forget how that ended. 


jephyork wrote: 
>>>
- Johnny Blaze becomes Ghost Rider again (or I missed something and he still is) 
<<<

He is, as of Devin Greyson's 2001 mini and the current Ennis GR mini.

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 12:45 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Don't do that, Somebody. You're making me want to declare the series potentially canon.  

So, if Doom's return occurs before Hulk leaves ... yeah. Scary. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 06:17 pm    
By garbonzo

Somebody wrote: 
>>>
jephyork wrote: 
>>>
- Wolvie's about to change back to his brown costume, so it has to occur before *that* 
<<<

Nope. He'll be wearing the brown costume in Wolverine: Origins and the yellow & blue everywhere else. 
<<<

But the "everywhere else" fseems to belimited. He is being dropped from the X-titles. So we will just have to deal with his appearances in NA, W, and W:Origin part deux. Maybe it will be a company-wide change for him.

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 07:04 pm    
By jephyork
Director

He'll still be appearing in "Astonishing", as well. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 09:50 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
>>>
And yet, on the post-Other MKSM and FNSM covers, he's still wearing his classic suit. It's only ASM that's showing any sign of changing. 
<<<


Yes, and that has led me to believe that the Stark-designed costume may be destined to be a one-story-arc if not a one-issue wonder.
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Paul B.

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Posted: 05 Jan 2006 11:45 pm    
By Somebody

It's not one issue at any rate - we've got two blacked-out-sillouette covers already. 

I think it's more analogous to the time when he used the black & classic suits simultaneously - he'll be switching between them for a while, and which one he keeps in the medium-term will depend on reaction (long-term, of course... well, there's an obscure movie due in 2007...)

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Posted: 06 Jan 2006 06:36 am    
By jannepie

Somebody wrote: 
>>>
jephyork wrote: 
>>>
- Doom steals the Power Gem (yes, of the Infinity / Soul Gems) from some underwater complex. When did we last see the Power Gem? 
<<<

Thanos #1-6. I forget how that ended. 
<<<

Was that before or after She-Hulk vol. 1? In the final issues Titania has the Power Gem on Earth but I can't remember what happened to the gem.

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Posted: 06 Jan 2006 09:40 am    
By lkseitz

Reed Richards took custody of the gem at the end of SHE-HULK #12. I don't know how that works chronologically, but SHE-HULK #12 was published one year later (Feb 2005) than THANOS #6 (Feb 2004).
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Lee K. Seitz 
Slowly adding insignificant characters to the MCP

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Posted: 06 Jan 2006 10:01 am    
By jephyork
Director

Dear God. Power Gem on Earth and in custody. Is there a chance that MegaMorphs DOESN'T actively contradict anything in the MU? 

I'm really looking for a compelling reason to declare it non-canon, but it would be nice if it helped me out by contradicting a few things ... sheesh. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 07 Jan 2006 04:04 am    
By Nathan P. Mahney

Bah! You will fall before the mighty awesomeness of the Hulk transforming robot.
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- Nathan P. Mahney -

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Posted: 07 Jan 2006 06:55 pm    
By stavesacre79

Sorry jephyork (and every other Marvel fan). As much as I hate to see it happen, I think we have to look for a way to make Mega Morphs canon instead of looking for a way to make in non-canon. Just because we don't like a story or just because it seems silly doesn't mean we can TRY to find a way that it doesn't fit. As I understand it, the policy here is to consider something canon unless there is direct compelling evidence to the contrary. Look at how hard we work to make everything fit together (like HoM, Secret War, Disassembled, and other difficulties we've had this past year). We don't just throw something out because it's HARD to fit in. I think we have to assume (as silly as it is) that Mega Morphs is canon. Even IF Doom's return isn't until after Planet Hulk, I'm sure there's a way we can work that out without saying Mega Morphs is non-canon.

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Posted: 07 Jan 2006 08:10 pm    
By Somebody

It's a toy tie-in, which gives it the same status as a cartoon tie-in: i.e., non-canon until proven otherwise. And had big chunks of story exclusively available in the comics that came with the toys. We've disregarded novels for less. 

(Don't bring up Secret Wars, that was loosely connected to the toyline, but had more in common with Infinite Crisis than it does with Mega Morphs - besides, Tony Stark was the Iron Man of that toyline, but Jim Rhodes, as the then-current IM, was in the comic. Following the MM model, they would have worked Tony in...)

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Posted: 08 Jan 2006 12:37 am    
By jephyork
Director

Quote: 
>>>
It's a toy tie-in, which gives it the same status as a cartoon tie-in: i.e., non-canon until proven otherwise. 
<<<

Took the words out of my mouth -- thanks. 


Quote: 
>>>
And had big chunks of story exclusively available in the comics that came with the toys. 
<<<

In fairness, those comics were collected in the MegaMorphs digest -- they WERE eventually made available to the direct market. 

What I'm trying to do, I suppose, is conjecture a place that MegaMorphs MIGHT fit if it WAS canon. But, hey, if no such place can be found, I'm not gonna cry too hard... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 28 Apr 2006 09:30 am    
By jephyork
Director

Well now. Doom's back. 

But Spidey's already in his new outfit and the Hulk's been booted off-planet. 

Looks like MegaMorphs has no place to go. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 28 Apr 2006 10:31 pm    
By SeanCurtin

It's not like Spidey's classic costume and the Hulk won't both be back sooner rather than later. 

-Sean

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Posted: 29 Apr 2006 08:15 am    
By SKleefeld
Director

In Thing #6, Spidey demonstrates how he can alter the appearance of the costume at will. I think any appearances of the old costume won't necessarily be before or after the "Iron Lad" costume.

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Posted: 29 Apr 2006 10:58 pm    
By Col_Fury

I suppose we could stretch thing to fit Megamorphs in between pages of the Illuminati special, after the time our heroes decide to launch the Hulk into space and before they actually do it. 

However, Megamorphs would have to occur after FF 537, which is where Doom comes back. That would place FF 536-537 in between pages of the Illuminati special. 

Spider-Man can change his costume's appearance, so that's not a problem. 

But isn't Johnny Blaze stuck in Hell and can't get out? At the start of Garth Ennis' mini he'd been there for a 'long time' and can't escape. He was only released, off the books, to fight a rogue angel. And then he was put back with no means of escape. 

So if Johnny's in Hell, I guess Megamorphs can't fit. Oh well.
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"Fury's gonna stay lost as long as he wants to stay lost. He kinda, from what I understand, wrote the book on it." -the President

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Posted: 30 Apr 2006 03:36 am    
By JLH

Col_Fury wrote: 
>>>
But isn't Johnny Blaze stuck in Hell and can't get out? At the start of Garth Ennis' mini he'd been there for a 'long time' and can't escape. He was only released, off the books, to fight a rogue angel. And then he was put back with no means of escape. 
<<<

As I'm working on the analysis of this mini right now (no, really! I mean it this time!), I can say that there's nothing in it that nails down exactly when it takes place. Ghost Rider's been in hell for "two years", on an Ennis time scale that also claims Blaze first became GR "thirty years ago" (which, since he's using real-world-time, means he's been there since about 2004, or just after the previous MK mini ended). Since the new monthly book is coming in just July, for all we know right now, it could take place before any number of books. It really depends on how things play out there in regards to other titles, I suppose.

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Posted: 04 May 2006 10:31 am    
By scottandrewhutchins

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
>>>
Quote: 
>>>
And yet, on the post-Other MKSM and FNSM covers, he's still wearing his classic suit. It's only ASM that's showing any sign of changing. 
<<<

Yes, and that has led me to believe that the Stark-designed costume may be destined to be a one-story-arc if not a one-issue wonder. 
<<<

He uses it in the current issue of The Sensational Spider-Man.

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Posted: 04 May 2006 09:04 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

As well as in lots of other places. Much has happened since that old post of mine, not the least of which is version 2.0 of the Stark-designed costume, which as stated earlier can change appearance. Funny, though, how he wears an old costume in SENSATIONAL #23-25, and then changes into his Stark costume in #25 after the old one gets torn (something that wouldn't happen the Stark-designed costume). Who the heck knows why he wore an old costume to begin with, or even where he got it for that matter, since he had no costume to wear when Stark whipped up version 1.0.
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Paul B.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2006 04:03 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Now that nearly seven months have passed since we discussed this, what's the current verdict on the canonicity of Megamorphs? Has anything happened that would place this series in the realm of possibility? Or have we been able to confirm that it's just not fitting anywhere?
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Paul B.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2006 06:16 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Can the Hulk being tricked into space by the Illuminati come after Dr. Doom's return in FF #537? 

(More to the point, would Tony Stark build the Hulk a MegaMorph if the Hulk was currently rampaging around to a degree where the Illuminati would *consider* tricking him into space?) 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 25 Nov 2006 06:39 pm    
By Somebody

Before the Hulk had been sent into space, Hulk #88 said Banner had been living solo in the Canadian woods for "eight months" (probably apocryphal as usual as far as the actual length goes, but the intent is obviously that he was hiding out/off the radar for a good long while before the Fury LMD hologram [] turned up). The key issues there are obviously the JMS Hulk-guest-starring fiasco though, but they're a "push back AFAP" for that reason.

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Thread 13

Posted: 25 Nov 2006 05:24 pm    Post subject: Spider-Man help needed
By Dhall

I am working on a massive update to the Ultraverse listings, but as I am blissfully unaware of the events surrounding the Spider-Clone years, I need a little assistance. 

Specifically I am trying to place the following books: 

Prime Vs. Hulk 0 - which takes place on Marvel Earth, and features the Hulk, and Spider-Man, pub. date July 1995 

Prime Infinity - which also takes place on Marvel Earth, and features Spider-Man and the Lizard. Pub. date Sept. 1995 

In this book, the editorial note states that it occurs Before the events of Spectacular Spider-Man 229. 

This story continues into Prime2 #1-2, which feature the Lizard (but not Spider-Man.) Pub dates Oct-Nov 1995 

Judging from various MCP listings, later appearances of Spider-Man in the Ultraverse, are listed under Scarlet Spider. 

I am guessing that the note "Before the events of Spectacular Spider-Man 229." implies that these are appearances of the original Spider-Man. Am I correct on this, or not? 

Can someone provide me with placements in Spider-Man, Lizard, and the Hulk's listings for these issues? 

Thanks!

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Posted: 25 Nov 2006 09:43 pm    
By RLG

The biggest hint on whether it is Peter Parker or Ben Reilly is the costume. Peter (to the best of my knowledge) only wore his "classic" costume, while Ben, after assuming the role as Spider-Man in SEN-S 0, donned a different version. Ben's version can be recognized by the larger spider emblem on the chest and the exposed web-shooters on his wrists. 

I recently read SPIDER-MAN/ULTRAFORCE 1A & 1B. Ben Reilly appears as Spider-Man in that story and is wearing his own Spidey costume. In that story, Prime mentions that he met Spidey before. The editor's note mentions PRIME INFINITY. Ben seems to recognize Prime as well, which would seem to indicate that the Spider-Man in PRIME INFINITY is Ben Reilly. (Sorry, I don't have that issue to confirm this for you) 

Interestingly enough, at one point in SPIDER-MAN/ULTRAFORCE, Spidey mentions that all he has in the world is "Mary Jane" and the unborn child, which is something Peter, not Ben, would say. Clearly, the writers got confused (like everyone else) with the whole Clone Saga. 

RLG

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Posted: 25 Nov 2006 10:20 pm    
By Dhall

Thanks that helps a little. Prime V. Hulk & Prime Infinity both have Spider-Man in the original spider-man costume, no exposed webshooters, so those most be Peter Parker....

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Posted: 26 Nov 2006 09:30 am    
By jephyork
Director

Yeah -- I had a long conversation with a Ben Reilly-loving friend a few years back, and we determined that the footnote must be wrong. Ben only appears in the "Spider-Man / UltraForce" issues. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 26 Nov 2006 11:21 am    
By Dhall

Jeph, If you are referring to the note "Before the events of Spectacular Spider-Man 229." 

then making the determination that Peter Parker appears in Prime v. Hulk, and Prime Infinity, shows that the foot note is correct. (as it appears in Prime Infinity) 

Ben Reilly appears in Ultraforce2 2/2 and Ultraforce/ Spider-Man 1A & 1B.

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Posted: 26 Nov 2006 12:39 pm    
By jephyork
Director

No, actually I meant the "editor's note" that tells readers that Prime and Ben met in Prime: Infinity. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 27 Nov 2006 06:08 pm    
By RLG

Does anyone know who the unseen villain(s) are in ULTRAF/S-M 1A & 1B? Also, at the beginning of that story, there is a woman named "Felicia" inside the Ultraverse's headquarters and an unnamed guy who looks like he could be their janitor. The man sort of has that "Wolverine" scruffiness appearance about him. Does anyone know who these two characters are? 

RLG

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Posted: 27 Nov 2006 08:50 pm    
By Dhall

The unkown villains are the "shifters" whom as far as I know where never seen again. Felicia Campbell is the wife of Bob Campbell, Prototype. 

The scruffy guy is Cromwell, is who Ultraforce's govt liason.

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Thread 14

Posted: 29 Nov 2006 12:53 pm    Post subject: Iron Man: Hypervelocity
By Somebody

Just putting down a few notes from the writer's interview @ newsarama before I forget, for future reference... 

He says it's certainly before Civil War and probably before Extremis, and doesn't feature any "pre-existing, old-skool IM opponents" or "minutae of Marvel-Uni continuity" 

The artist hasn't messed up on the armour, it's an actual designed-for-the-series (speciality?) armour; ergo not a placement clue. 

Takes place over one night 

Blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo from a couple of Livewires (ergo, almost certainly before the non-flashback events of that series)


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Posted: 29 Nov 2006 10:09 pm    
By JLH

Funny how he claims there's no "minueta" yet immediately mentions including the Livewires. Those two comments kind of cancel each other out.

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Posted: 30 Nov 2006 06:01 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I think Adam probably means that the story doesn't involve any previous continuity. A minor cameo appearance by a pre-existing character doesn't contradict that, unless you need to know their earlier stories to understand the scene.
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Thread 15

Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: MC-2 Chronology
By michaelyuri

I've made an initial attempt at character chronologies for the MC-2 books. 

AN A-Next 
ASG Amazing Spider-Girl 
BUZZ The Buzz 
DARK Darkdevil 
FFIVE Fantastic Five 
JTWO J2 
LHS Last Hero Standing 
LPS Last Planet Standing 
SG Spider-girl 
SMF Spider-man Family 
WI?2 What If, Vol. 2 
WT Wild Thing 

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Aftershock/Samantha 'Allison' Dillon 
SG 51 
SG 81 

Agent 33 
AN 4 
AN 6 
SG 86 

Allan, Liz 
SG 11 
SG 54-FB (10:3) 
WI?2 105 

American Dream/Shannon Carter 
SG 32-FB (11:2-11:3) 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
AN 3 
AN 4 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
JTWO 11 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
SG 13 
SG 25 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 57 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 81 
SG 83 
SG 86 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 1 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Angel 
WT 5/2-FB (4:1) 
FFIVE 1-FB (8:2) 

Angel Face 
SG 42-FB (6:4-6:5) 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 46-FB 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 85 

Angry Eagle 
JTWO 1/3 
JTWO 2/2 
JTWO 11/2 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 67 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Ant-Man/Scott Lang 
AN 5-FB (7:3) 
AN 1-FB 
AN 3 
AN 5 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
AN 9 
AN 12 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 

Apox/Omega Skrull 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 

Arana 
SMF 1-FB (4-9) 
SMF 1 

Argo 
AN 6 
AN 12 
SG 58 
SG 59 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Astra 
LPS 1 

Balder 
LPS 2 

Baldwin, Madelyne 
AN 1-FB 

Banner, David 
AN 3 

Bannon, Buzz 
BUZZ 1-FB (6-16) 
BUZZ 2-FB (6:1-6:3) 
BUZZ 1 

Beast 
WT 5/2-FB (4:1) 

Big Julie/Julius S. Bridwell 
JTWO 9 
WT 3/2 

Big Man/Henry Pym 
AN 12 
SG 58 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 73 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 93 
SG 95 
SG 96 

Binder 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 

Black Tarantula/Fabian LeMuerto 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 79 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Blacklight 
AN 9 
AN 12 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 92 

Blowtorch/Johnny Storm II 
SG 57 
SG 58 

Bluestreak 
AN 3 
AN 4 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
SG 13 
WT 4/2 
SG 25 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 81 
SG 83 
SG 86 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Brady, Meagyn 
SG 53 
SG 67 
SG 89 

Brant, Betty 
SG 10 
SG 11 

Brewster, Colin 
WT 1 
WT 2 
WT 5 

Bridge, President G.W. 
SG 31 
LPS 1 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Brute/Benjamin J. Grimm II 
SG 57 
SG 58 

Bryce-Jones, Brooks 
WT 1 
WT 2 

Bryce-Jones, Cameron 
WT 1 
WT 2 
WT 3 
WT 5 

Buffer Zone 
JTWO 2 

Bullet 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 

Buzz/Jack "J.J." Jameson 
BUZZ 1-FB (4:2-8:4) 
BUZZ 1-FB (8:5-9:3) ~ SG 12 (4:5-5:3) 
BUZZ 1-FB (9:4-9:6) 
SG 12 
BUZZ 1-FB (10) 
SG 13 
SG 14 
SG 16 
SG 17 
BUZZ 1-FB (11-16) 
BUZZ 2-FB (6:1-6:3) 
BUZZ 1-FB (17:4) 
BUZZ 1 
SG '99/8 
BUZZ 2 (1-8) 
SG 18 
SG 19 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
BUZZ 2 (9:2-22) 
SG 23 
BUZZ 3 (1-5:1) 
BUZZ 3 (5:2) ~ SG 24 (5:3) 
BUZZ 3 (5:3-22) 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 44 
SG 46 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 54 
SG 56 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 70 
SG 71 
SG 72 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 79 
LHS 1 
LHS 4 
SG 98 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Canis 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 78 

Captain America/Steve Rogers 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:3) 
AN 10 
AN 11 
SG 58 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 

Chesbro 
SG 64 
SG 69 
SG 72 
SG 73 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 97 

Claw 
SG 73 

Coal Tiger/T'Chaka 
AN 4 
AN 12 
SG 58 
SG 92 

Collector 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Crazy Eight 
SG 2 
SG 8 
SG 25 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 

Crimson Curse/Aerika Harkness 
AN 3 
AN 4 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 

Cyclops/Scott Summers 
WT 5/2-FB (4:1) 
JTWO 7 
JTWO 11/2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Daredevil/Matt Murdock 
SG 42-FB (6:5) 
DARK 2-FB (4-9) 
SG 84 

Darkdevil/Reilly Tyne 
DARK 1-FB (11:1-11:4, 21:4-22:3) 
DARK 2-FB (7:4-9:3, 13:2-13:4) 
DARK 3-FB (10:2-11) 
SG 2 
SG 7 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 12 
SG 14 
SG 17 
SG 22 
SG 23 
SG 26 
DARK 1 
DARK 2 
DARK 3 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 44 
SG 46 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 56 
SG 58 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 69 
SG 70-FB 
SG 70 
SG 74 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 84 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 96 

Daze 
JTWO 10 

Deacon 
AN 3 
JTWO 4 
JTWO 12 
SG 71 
LHS 2 

Deadeye 
AN 10 
AN 11 

Deadpool 
JTWO 11 

Death 
LPS 5

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Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:03 pm    
By michaelyuri

Diablo 
FFIVE 5 

Doc Magus/Dormagus 
AN 3 
JTWO 4 
JTWO 12-FB 
JTWO 12 
SG 71 
SG 83 
SG 84 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 

Doctor Doom 
FFIVE 5-FB (2:3) 
AN 5-FB (7:5) 

Doctor Octopus/Otto Octavius 
BUZZ 2 
BUZZ 3 

Doctor Strange 
AN 3 
WT 0 
JTWO 12 
SG 83 
SG 84 
LHS 2 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 

Dominas 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 

Dominator 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 
FFIVE 4 

Donar 
AN 11 

Doom/Kristoff Vernard 
AN 5-FB (7:3-7:4) 
AN 5 
FFIVE 5 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 
LPS 1 
LPS 3 

Dragon King/Carlton T. Hackmutter 
SG 4 
SG 25 
SG 80 

Dragonfist 
SG 24 

Duran, Courtney Marie 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG '99 
SG 13 
SG 0.5 
SG 14 
SG 15 
SG 16 
SG 17 
SG '99/8 
SG 19 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
SG 23 
BUZZ 3 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 37 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 42 
SG 44 
SG 45 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 53 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 72 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 79 
SG 80 
SG 81 
SG 85 
SG 86 
SG 88 
SG 89 
SMF 1 
SG 91 
SG 94 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 
LPS 1 

Earth Sentry/John Foster 
AN 2 
AN 12 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 87 
SG 88 
LHS 2 
LHS 4 
SG 92 
LPS 2 

Earthshaker 
SG 21 

Electro/Max Dillon 
SG 81 

Elektra 
JTWO 5 
JTWO 11/2 
WT 2 
SG 75 
SG 77 

Enthralla 
JTWO 2/2 
JTWO 8 
SG 0.5 

Fandral 
LPS 2 

Firebird 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4) 

Flashfire 
LPS 1 

Foster, Bill 
AN 2 

Freebooter/Brandon Cross 
AN 3 
AN 4 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
SG 13 
SG 25 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 45 
SG 58 
SG 83 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Freefall 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 

Funny Face 
SG 22 
SG 25 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 46-FB 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 85 

Fury/Elan DeJunae 
SG 73 
SG 74 
SG 78 
SG 79 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 84 

Galactus 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Gardener 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Giant-Man 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4) 

Gladiator 
LPS 1 

Gold, Montana 
JTWO 1 
JTWO 1/3 
JTWO 2 
JTWO 3 
JTWO 3/3 
JTWO 7/3 
JTWO 8-FB 
JTWO 8 
JTWO 12 
WT 4/2 
WT 5/2 

Grandmaster 
LPS 2 
LPS 5 

Green Goblin/Norman Osborn 
SG 97-FB (10:2) 
SG 48-FB (9:4) 
SG 49-FB (16:5-17) 
WI?2 105-FB (7:5) 
SG 49-FB (18-19:3) 

Green Goblin II/Phil Urich/Golden Goblin 
SG 42-FB (6:4) 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 5 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 9 
SG 12 
SG 13 
SG 14 
SG 16 
SG 17 
SG 18 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 23 
SG 24 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 44 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 55 
SG 56 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 70-FB 
SG 70 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 81 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 84 
SG 85 
LHS 1 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 91 
SG 93-FB 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 

Green Gobin III/Norman "Normie" Osborn 
SG 54-FB (10:3) 
WI?2 105 
SG 19 
SG 20 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 45 
SG 46 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 54 
SG 55 
SG 56 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 63 
SG 64 
SG 66 
SG 68 
SG 72 
SG 74 
SG 78 
SG 79 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 84 
SG 85 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 
SG 90 
SG 91 
SG 93-FB 
SG 92 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Grim/Jacob Grimm 
FFIVE 5 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 

Hallendale, Miller 
JTWO 1 
JTWO 1/3 
JTWO 2 
JTWO 3 
JTWO 7/3 
JTWO 8-FB 
JTWO 9 
JTWO 12 
WT 4/2 
WT 5/2 

Hardy, Felicia 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 45 
SG 47 
SG 48 
SG 53 

Hawkeye/Clint Barton 
AN 7-FB (7:2-8:3, 12:4-13) 
AN 10 
AN 12 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Healy, Sandra 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 88 
SG 89 

Hercules 
AN 7-FB (7:2-8:3, 12:4-13) 
AN 6 

Hicks, Ralphie 
SG 16 
SG 22 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 45 
SG 54 

Hobgoblin/Roderick Kingsley 
SG 91-FB (7:4) 
SG 97-FB (10:1-10:3) 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Hogun 
LPS 2

			*	*	*

Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:04 pm    
By michaelyuri

Hopper 
JTWO 7-FB (6-8) 

Howard the Duck 
JTWO 11 

Hulk/Bruce Banner 
AN 3 (7-10:1) 
AN 3 (10:2) ~ JTWO 3-FB (3:1) 
AN 3 (11-13:3) 
AN 3 (13:4) ~ JTWO 3-FB (3:2) 
AN 3 (16:2) 
AN 3 (16:3) ~ JTWO 3-FB (3:3) 
AN 3 (17-19:4) 
AN 3 (19:5-20:1) ~ JTWO 3-FB (4:3-4:4) 
JTWO 3-FB (4:5-13:3) 
AN 3 (20:2-20:3) ~ JTWO 3-FB (13:4-14:1) 
AN 3 (20:4-20:5) 
WT 0 
JTWO 12 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 

Human Torch/Johnny Storm 
FFIVE 1-FB (6-8:1) 
SG 11 
FFIVE 1-FB (8:2-8:4) 
SG 7/2-FB (4:2-4:3) 
FFIVE 4-FB (4:3-14:1) 
FFIVE 3-FB (2:1) 
FFIVE 4-FB (17-18) 
FFIVE 1-FB (9:3) 
SG 3 
SG 4 
AN 5 
FFIVE 1 
SG 0.5 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 
FFIVE 4 
FFIVE 5 
SG 25 
SG 31 
SG 34 
SG 44 
SG 45 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 54 
SG 58 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 88 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 5 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Hyperstorm 
FFIVE 4-FB (5:1-13) 

Impact 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 

Impulse 
LPS 1 

In-Betweener 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Invisible Woman/Susan Storm Richards 
FFIVE 1-FB (6-8) 
FFIVE 4-FB (4:3-14:2) 
FFIVE 1-FB (9:1) 
FFIVE 4-FB (17-18) 
SG 87-FB (12:4) 
FFIVE 4 
SG 88 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Ion Man 
AN 7 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Iron Cross/Tony Stark II 
A 10 
A 11 

Iron Despot 
WT 5 

Iron Fist/Danny Rand 
JTWO 11 
SG 24 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 

Iron Man/Tony Stark 
SG 95-FB (9:3) 
FFIVE 1-FB (8:2) 
SG 95-FB (9:4-9:5) 
AN 7-FB (7:2-8:3, 12:4-13) 
SG 95-FB (9:6-10:4) 
AN 10 
AN 12 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
LHS 1 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 

J2/Zane Yama/Zane Marko 
JTWO 1 
JTWO 1/2 
JTWO 1/3 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
WI?2 105 
JTWO 2 
JTWO 2/2 
AN 2 
AN 3 (8-9) 
JTWO 3-FB (3:1) ~ AN 3 (10:2) 
AN 3 (11-13:3) 
JTWO 3-FB (3:2) ~ AN 3 (13:4) 
AN 3 (16:1-17) 
JTWO 3-FB (4:1-4:2) ~ AN 3 (18:7-18:8) 
JTWO 3-FB (4:3-4:4) ~ AN 3 (19:5-20:1) 
JTWO 3-FB (4:5-13:3) 
JTWO 3-FB (13:4-14:1) ~ AN 3 (20:2-20:3) 
AN 3 (20:4-22) 
JTWO 3 
JTWO 3/3 
JTWO 5 
JTWO 5/2 
AN 4 
JTWO 4 
JTWO 4/2 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
JTWO 6/3 
JTWO 7 
JTWO 7/3 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
SG 8 
JTWO 8-FB 
JTWO 8 
JTWO 8/2 
JTWO 9 
JTWO 9/3 
JTWO 10 
JTWO 11 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
JTWO 12 
SG 13 
WT 2/2 
WT 3/2 
WT 4/2 
WT 5/2 
SG 21 
SG 25 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 71 
SG 81 
SG 83 
SG 86 
SG 87 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 92 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Jack O'Lantern 
SMF 1-FB 

Jade, Dr. Sonja 
BUZZ 1-FB (4:2-17:4) 
BUZZ 1 
BUZZ 2 
BUZZ 3 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 70 

Jameson, Ashley Kafka 
SG 69 

Jameson, J. Jonah 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SMF 1-FB 
SG 4 
BUZZ 1-FB (4:2-7) 
SG 12 
SG 15 
SG 17 
BUZZ 1-FB (11-17:4) 
BUZZ 1 
BUZZ 2 (2-8) 
SG 18 
SG 22 
BUZZ 2 (17-19) 
SG 23 
BUZZ 3 
SG 25 
SG 30 
SG 32 
SG 68 
SG 69 

Jameson, Marla 
BUZZ 1-FB (4:2-17:4) 
BUZZ 1 
BUZZ 2 
BUZZ 3 
SG 69 

Jarkoer, Chris 
SG 72 
SG 73 
SG 77 
SG 79 
SG 80 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 85 
SG 86 
SG 89 
SG 97 

Jarvis, Edwin 
AN 7-FB (8, 12-13) 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
WI?2 105 
JTWO 2 
AN 3 
AN 4 
AN 7 
AN 8 
JTWO 8-FB 
JTWO 11 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 12 
SG 31-BTS 
SG 57 
SG 58 
SG 76 
SG 81 
SG 83 
LHS 3 
SG 92 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 4 

Jarvis, Edwin II 
AN 10 
AN 11 
SG 57 

Jolt 
SG 32-FB (14:3) 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
WI?2 105 

Jubilee/Jubilation Lee 
SG 32-FB (14:3) 
JTWO 1/3 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
WI?2 105 
JTWO 2/2 
AN 4 
JTWO 7 
JTWO 11/2 
WT 3 
SG 58 
SG 67 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Juggernaut 
WT 5/2-FB (3) 
JTWO 7-FB (4:1-4:2) 
WT 5/2-FB (4:1) 
JTWO 7-FB (4:3-8) 
JTWO 12-FB (10:4-11:2) 
JTWO 12 
WT 2/2 
WT 4/2 
WT 5/2 

Justice 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4) 

Kaine 
SG 44-FB (12:5) 
SG 49-FB (9:2-10:3) 
SG 48-FB (10:5-10:6) 
SG 49-FB (14:2) 
SG 48-FB (19:1) 
SG 49-FB (14:3) 
DARK 1-FB (11:4, 22:1-22:3) 
DARK 2-FB (4:2-6:1, 7:4-9:1, 13:3-13:4) 
DARK 3-FB (10:2-10:4) 
SG 12 
SG 14 
SG 17 
DARK 1 
DARK 2 
DARK 3 
SG 45 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 62 
SG 63 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 73 
SG 74 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 79 
SG 93 
SG 95 
SG 96 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Kavanagh, Howard 
SG 60 
SG 65 
SG 67 
SG 75 
SG 77 
SG 88 
SG 89 

Killerwatt 
SG 9 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
SG 25 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Kingpin/Wilson Fisk 
DARK 2-FB (4:2-6:1) 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 17 
DARK 1 
DARK 3 
SG 36 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 61 
SG 63 

Kingsley, Daniel 
SG 91 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Kirby, Davida Jacqueline 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 9 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG '99 
SG 0.5 
SG 15 
SG 16 
SG 17 
SG 18 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
BUZZ 2 
SG 23 
SG 24 (5:2-5:4) 
BUZZ 3 (5:3) 
SG 24 (5:5, 12) 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 39 
SG 44 
SG 51 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 54 
SG 55 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 74 
SG 77 
SG 80 
SG 81 
SG 85 
SG 89 
SMF 1 
SG 91 
SG 92 
SG 93 
SG 97 
SG 98 
LPS 1 

Kodiak 
SG 75 

Kosmos 
LPS 2 

Kree Sentry 
AN 2 

Kubik 
LPS 2

			*	*	*

Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:04 pm    
By michaelyuri

Kuroyama 
WT 2 

La Fantome/Staci Smythe 
SG 45 
SG 91 

Lady Octopus/Carolyn Trainer 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 70 
SG 72 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 78 

LadyHawks 
SG 6 
SG 16 
SG 21 
SG 23 
SG 29 
SG 42 [one] 
SG 43 
SG 44 [one] 
SG 46 [one] 
SG 56 [one] 
SG 60 
SG 70-FB [one] 
SG 70 [one] 
SG 77 [one] 
SG 78 [one] 
SG 86 (22) ~ LHS 1 (2) 
LHS 1 [one] 
LHS 2 [one] 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 [one] 
LHS 5 
SG 98 
SG 99 

Lilandra Neramani 
LPS 1 

Living Lightning 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4) 

Living Tribunal 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Loki 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 

Lord Chaos 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Mackenzie, Miller 
DARK 1 
DARK 3 

Magneta 
JTWO 6 
JTWO 8-FB 
JTWO 8 
JTWO 10 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Mainframe 
SG 95-FB (9:6) 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
AN 2 
AN 3 (8-9) 
AN 3 (10:2) ~ JTWO 3-FB (3:1) 
AN 3 (11:3-11:4, 16:2) 
AN 3 (16:3) ~ JTWO 3-FB (3:3) 
AN 3 (18:7-18:8) ~ JTWO 3-FB (4:2) 
AN 3 (20:3) ~ JTWO 3-FB (14:1) 
AN 3 (20:4-22) 
JTWO 5 
AN 4 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 
AN 12 
SG 13 
SG 25 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 38 
SG 46 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 71 
SG 81 
SG 83 
SG 84 
SG 86 
SG 87 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
SG 92 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Man-Wolf/John Jameson 
SG 69 
SG 70 

Mansfield, Albert 
SG 99 

Mansfield, Arthur 
SG 94 
SG 95 
SG 97 

Mansfield, Billy 
SG 97 

Mansfield, Maurice Arthur "Moose" 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 8-FB 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 10 
SG 12 
SG 13 
SG 14 
SG 15 
SG 16 
SG 17 
SG 18 
SG 19 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
SG 23 
BUZZ 3 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 32-FB 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 39-BTS 
SG 40 
SG 42 
SG 44 
SG 45 
SG 50 
SG 54 
SG 55 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 72 
SG 74 
SG 76 
SG 80 
SG 86 
SG 89 
SG 94 
SG 95 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Mansfield, William 
SG 99 

Marvel Girl/Jean Grey 
WT 5/2-FB (4:1) 

Master Order 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Miguel 
SMF 1-FB (5:3-9) 
SMF 1 

Miller, Brad 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 10 
SG 12 
SG 13 
SG 14 
SG 15 
SG 16 
SG 17 
SG 18 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
BUZZ 3 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 42 
SG 44 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 54 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 71 
SG 74 
SG 89 
SG 96 

Misery/Melissa Carsdale 
SG '99 (3-7:2) 
SG '99-FB (22:5) 
SG '99 (21-23) 
SG 90 

Mister Abnormal 
SG 15 
SG 25 
LPS 5 

Mister Fantastic/Reed Richards/Big Brain 
FFIVE 1-FB (6-8) 
SG 7/2-FB (4:3-4:4) 
FFIVE 4-FB (4:3-14:2) 
FFIVE 1-FB (9:1) 
FFIVE 4-FB (17-18) 
FFIVE 1-FB-OP (9:2-9:3) 
SG 3-OP 
AN 5-OP 
FFIVE 1 
SG 0.5-OP 
FFIVE 2-OP 
FFIVE 3-OP 
FFIVE 4 
FFIVE 5-OP 
SG 25-OP 
SG 34-OP 
SG 45-OP 
SG 46-OP 
SG 47-OP 
SG 49-OP 
SG 50-OP 
SG 54-OP 
SG 55-OP 
SG 57-OP 
SG 58-OP 
SG 59-OP 
SG 83-OP 
SG 88 
LHS 1-OP 
LHS 2-OP 
LHS 5-OP 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Mister Nobody 
SG 1 
SG 8 
SG 34 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 42 
SG 61-BTS 
SG 62 
SG 63 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 

Mongrain, Alison 
SG 48-FB (6:2-6:3, 9:4-9:5) 
SG 49-FB (1:2, 1:4, 1:6, 7:2-7:4, 9:3-10:3) 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 

Moore, Ms. 
SG 4 
SG 12 
SG 13 
SG 15 
SG 24 
SG 30 

Ms. Fantastic/Lyja Storm 
FFIVE 1-FB (8:4) 
FFIVE 4-FB (4:3-6) 
FFIVE 1-FB (9:3) 
SG 3 
AN 5 
FFIVE 1 
SG 0.5 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 
FFIVE 4 
FFIVE 5 
SG 25 
SG 34 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 88 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 5 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 

Namor 
FFIVE 5-FB (2:3) 
AN 5-FB (7:5) 
AN 3 
JTWO 12 
SG 86 
LHS 5 

Nelson, Franklin "Foggy" 
DARK 3-FB (11:5) 
WI?2 105 
SG 17 
SG 63 
SG 74 
SG 82 
SG 85 

Nemesus 
JTWO 12-FB (11:1) 
JTWO 4 
JTWO 12 
SG 71 

Noble, Heather 
SG 0.5 
SG 22 
BUZZ 3 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 29 
SG 33 
SG 35 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 42 
SG 45 
SG 50 
SG 55 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 67 
SG 91 
SG 96 

Nova/Richard Rider 
SG 32-FB (14:3) 
SG 7 
SG 16 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 27 
SG 29 
SG 42 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 2 

O'Neil, Glynis 
DARK 1 
DARK 2 
DARK 3 

Oracle 
LPS 1 

Overman 
AN 10 
AN 11 

Parker, Ben 
SG 44-FB (8:2) 

Parker, Benjamin Richard 
SG 57 
SG 59 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 69 
SG 72 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 79 
SG 80 
SG 81 
SG 83 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
SG 89 
SG 91 
SG 94 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100

			*	*	*

Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:05 pm    
By michaelyuri

Parker, May 
SG 44-FB (8:2) 
SG 10 
SG 11 

Parker, Peter II 
SG 57 
SG 58 

Parody 
JTWO 7/3 

Philips, Charlie 
SG 44 
SG 92-FB 
SG 92 

Pincer/Scott Lang II 
AN 10 
AN 11 

Professor X/Charles Xavier 
WT 5/2-FB (3-4:1) 

Psi-Slayer/Franklin Richards II 
SG 57 
SG 58 

Psilord/Franklin Richards 
FFIVE 1-FB (8:3) 
FFIVE 4-FB (4:3-14:1) 
FFIVE 3-FB (2:1) 
FFIVE 4-FB (17-18) 
SG 87-FB (12:4) 
FFIVE 1-FB (9:3) 
SG 3 
AN 5 
SG 6 
SG 10 
SG 13 
FFIVE 1 
SG 0.5 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 
FFIVE 4 
FFIVE 5 
SG 25 
SG 34 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 55 
SG 56 
SG 57 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 83 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 5 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Push/Nancy Meeko "Lucky" Lu 
SG 23 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 39 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 67 
SG 92 

Quickwire 
SG 53 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 73 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 93 
SG 95 
SG 96 
LPS 5 

Rad/Alyce Grimm 
FFIVE 4-FB (6:2) 
FFIVE 5 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 

Ragone, Theodore "Turtle" 
SG 16 
SG 22 
SG 45 

Raptor/Brenda "Blackie" Drago 
SG 18 
SG 25 
SG 28 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 34 
SG 37 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 44 
SG 46 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 72 
SG 73 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 79 
SG 81 
SG 82 
SG 84 
SG 85 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 

Raza 
SG 95 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Red Queen/Hope Pym 
AN 10 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Richards, Reed II 
AN 11 
SG 57 
SG 58 

Robertson, Robbie 
SMF 1-FB (4:3) 

Robertson, Richie 
BUZZ 1-FB (4:2-15) 
BUZZ 2-FB (5:4-6:1) 
BUZZ 2 (1-8) 
SG 18-VO 
BUZZ 2 (9:2-22) 
BUZZ 3 
SG 31-BTS 
SG 34 
SG 39 
SG 42 
SG 50 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 70 
SG 71 
SG 98 

Rollerblast 
JTWO 1/3 

Ruiz, Captain 
SG 1 
DARK 1 
SG 36 
SG 63 
SG 82 
SG 85 
SG 99 

S.S. Agent/John Walker II 
AN 10 
AN 11 

Sabreclaw/Hudson 
JTWO 8 
AN 12 
SG 0.5 
SG 25 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Sapristi, Maria 
AN 3 
AN 9 

Sapristi, Maria II 
AN 10 
AN 11 

Scarlet Spider 
SG 44-FB (12:2-12:4, 13:3-13:4, 15:3) 

Scarlet Spider II/Felicity Hardy 
SG 37 
SG 39 
SG 45 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 48 
SG 52 
SG 53 
SG 74 
SG 96 
SG 97 

Scarlet Witch/Wanda Maximoff 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4, 12:4-13) 
AN 8 
AN 10 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Seth 
SG 54 
SG 55 
SG 56 
SG 58 
SG 59 

Shaper of Worlds 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Sif 
LPS 2 

Silver Surfer/Norrin Radd 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Simian 
JTWO 1/3 
JTWO 2/2 
JTWO 7 
JTWO 11/2 
SG 58 
SG 67 

Siryn 
JTWO 7-FB (6-7) 

Slattery, Mr. 
BUZZ 1-FB (8:2-8:3) 
SG 16 
SG 18 
SG 22 
SG 30 
SG 52 
SG 53 
SG 64 
SG 89 
SG 96 
LPS 1 

Slippery Sam 
JTWO 4/2 

Smasher 
LPS 1 

Smythe, Spencer 
S 10 
S 11 

Spanner 
JTWO 1/3 
JTWO 2/2 
JTWO 7 
JTWO 11/2 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 67 

Speedball/Rob Baldwin 
SG 32-FB (14:3) 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
WI?2 105 
SG 15 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5

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Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:06 pm    
By michaelyuri

Spider-Girl/May "Mayday" Parker 
SG 48-FB (9:4-9:5) 
SG 49-FB (1:2, 1:4, 1:6, 7:4) 
SG 48-FB (19:1) 
SG 49-FB (14:3-14:4, 16:3-16:4) 
WI?2 105-FB (7:4) 
SG 7/2-FB (5:2-5:5) 
SG 54-FB (10:3) 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 5 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 7/2 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG 12 (1-4:3) 
SG 12 (5:2-5:3) ~ BUZZ 1-FB (9:1-9:3) 
SG 12 (5:4-22) 
SG '99 (1-7:2) 
SG '99-FB (22:4-22:5) 
SG '99 (21-24) 
SG '99/9 
SG 13 
SG 0.5 
SG 14 
SG 15 
FFIVE 3 
SG 16 
SG 17 
SG '99/8 
SG 18 
SG 19 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
BUZZ 2 
SG 23 
SG 24 (1-5:2) 
SG 24 (5:3) ~ BUZZ 3 (5:2) 
SG 24 (5:4) 
BUZZ 3 (5:3) 
SG 24 (5:5-22) 
BUZZ 3 (6:1-22) 
SG 25 
SG 26 
SG 27-FB 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 44 
SG 45 
SG 51 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 53 
SG 54 
SG 55 
SG 56 
SG 57 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 63 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 70 
SG 71 
SG 72 
SG 73 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 78 
SG 79 
SG 80 
SG 81 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 84 
SG 85 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 89 
SG 90 
SMF 1 
SG 91 
SG 92 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 
ASG 0-BTS 

Spider-Man/Peter Parker 
SG 44-FB (8:2-8:6) 
SG 7/2-FB (2:4) 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG 7/2-FB (3:1) 
SG 97-FB (10:1) 
SG 7/2-FB (3:3) 
SG 44-FB (12:3-12:5) 
SG 7/2-FB (3:4) 
SG 44-FB (13:3) 
SG 7/2-FB (3:5) 
SMF 1-FB (4-9) 
SG 44-FB (15:3) 
SG 49-FB (16:3-16:4) 
WI?2 105-FB (7:4) 
SG 49-FB (16:5-17:4) 
SG 7/2-FB (4:1) 
SG 49-FB (17:5) 
WI?2 105-FB (7:5) 
SG 49-FB (18-19:4) 
SG 7/2-FB (4:4-5) 
SG 54-FB (10:3) 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 5 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG 12 
SG '99 
SG 14 
SG 17 
SG 18 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
SG 24 
SG 26 
DARK 1 
SG 27-FB 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 51 
SG 46 
SG 47 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 54 
SG 55 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 63 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 68 
SG 69 
SG 71 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 77 
SG 79 
SG 80 
SG 81 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 85 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 90 
SMF 1 
SG 91 
SG 94 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Spider-Man II/Gerry Drew 
SG 40-FB (13/14:4) 
SG 39-FB (15:4) 
SG 40-FB (13/14:5-13/14:6) 
SG 42-FB (17:2) 
SG 40-FB (13/14:7) 
SG 42-FB (17:3) 
SG 40-FB (13/14:8) 
SG 32 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 

Spider-Woman/Jessica Drew 
SG 39-FB (15:2) 
SG 40-FB (13/14:2-13/14:3) 
SG 39-FB (15:3) 
SG 40-FB (13/14:4) 
SG 39-FB (15:4) 
SG 40-FB (13/14:5) 
SG 42-FB (17:2) 
SG 40-FB (13/14:7) 
SG 42-FB (17:3) 
SG 33 
SG 34 
SG 35 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 

Spider-Woman II/Julia Carpenter 
SG 37 
SG 39 
SG 42 
SG 43 

Spyral 
SG 3 
SG 10 
SG 11 

Starbolt 
LPS 1 

Steel Spider 
SG 32-FB (14:2-14:5) 
SG 32 

Stinger/Cassie Lang 
AN 5-FB (7:3) 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
AN 2 
AN 3 
JTWO 5 
AN 4 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
SG 9 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 
AN 12-FB 
AN 12 
SG 13 
WT 4/2 
SG 16 
FFIVE 5 
SG 21 
SG 25 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 38 
SG 45 
SG 46 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 71 
SG 81 
SG 83 
SG 84 
SG 86 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 92 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Stone, Marcus 
DARK 1 
DARK 2 
DARK 3 
SG 82 

Storm Trooper/Eric Masterson II 
AN 10 
AN 11 
SG 58 
SG 59 

Stranger 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 

Super-Storm/Torus Storm 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 
FFIVE 5 
SG 86 
SG 87 
SG 88 

Superoid 
FFIVE 2 

Swordsmaster 
AN 10 
AN 11 

Tag Team 
WT 4/2 

Talisman 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4) 

Thing/Benjamin Jacob Grimm 
FFIVE 1-FB (6-8) 
FFIVE 4-FB (4:3-14:1) 
FFIVE 3-FB (2:1) 
FFIVE 4-FB (17-18) 
FFIVE 1-FB (9:3) 
SG 3 
AN 5 
FFIVE 1 
SG 0.5 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 
FFIVE 4 
FFIVE 5 
SG 25 
SG 31 
SG 34 
SG 55 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 83 
SG 88 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Thompson, Flash 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 4 
SG 16 
SG 23 
SG 30 
SG 34 
SG 37 
SG 52 
SG 61 
SG 66 
SG 68 
SG 74 
SG 96 
SG 97 

Thor 
FFIVE 1-FB (8:2) 
AN 1 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 2 
LPS 5 

Thrash Bandit 
WT 1 

Thunderstrike/Kevin Masterson 
AN 1-FB 
AN 1 
WI?2 105 
AN 2 
AN 3 
JTWO 5 
AN 4 
AN 5 
JTWO 6 
AN 6 
AN 7 
AN 8 
AN 9 
AN 10 
AN 11 
SG 57 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 81 
SG 83 
SG 84 
SG 86 
SG 87 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 

Tigra 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4)

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Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:07 pm    
By michaelyuri

Tony Stark's Bodyguard/Jim Rhodes 
SG 95-FB (9:3-9:5, 10:1-10:4) 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 31 
SG 32 
SG 58 
SG 59 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 

Torque 
JTWO 1/3 
JTWO 2/2 
JTWO 7 
JTWO 11/2 
SG 58 
SG 59 
SG 67 
LPS 5 

Urich, Meredith 
SG 21 
SG 26 
DARK 1 
SG 82 

Valentine, "Handsome" Richie 
SG 72 
SG 75 
SG 77 

Venom Symbiote 
SG 5 
SG 82 
SG 83 
SG 84 
SG 85-BTS 
SG 86 
SG 87-BTS 
SG 88-BTS 
SG 90 
SG 91-BTS 
SG 92-BTS 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 95 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Ventura, Sharon 
FFIVE 4-FB (6:1-6:2) 
FFIVE 3 

Vibraxas/N'Kano 
AN 4 

Vision 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4, 12:4-13) 
WI?2 105 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LPS 1 
LPS 2 
LPS 3 
LPS 4 

Vizier 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 2 

Volstagg 
LPS 2 

Von Doom, Victor II 
AN 11 

Walters, Mr. 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 12 
SG 15 
SG 17 
SG 18 
BUZZ 3 

Wasp 
AN 7-FB (7:2-7:4, 12:4-13) 

Watcher/Uatu 
LHS 1 
LHS 5 
LPS 3 

Watson, Kristy 
SG 93 
SG 94 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 98 
SG 100 

Watson-Parker, Mary Jane 
SG 11 
SG 7/2-FB (3:4) 
SG 44-FB (13:3) 
SG 7/2-FB (3:5) 
SG 48-FB (9:2, 10:5-10:6, 19:1) 
SG 49-FB (14:3-14:4, 16:2-16:3) 
WI?2 105-FB (7:4) 
SG 7/2-FB (5:2-6) 
SG 54-FB (10:3) 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 5 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 7/2 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 11 
SG '99 
SG 13 
SG 14 
SG 15 
SG 17 
SG 18 
SG 20 
SG 21 
SG 22 
SG 24 
SG 26 
SG 27-FB 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 30 
SG 32 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 38 
SG 39 
SG 41 
SG 42 
SG 43 
SG 44 
SG 45 
SG 51 
SG 48 
SG 49 
SG 50 
SG 52 
SG 53 
SG 54 
SG 55 
SG 56 
SG 57 
SG 59 
SG 60 
SG 61 
SG 62 
SG 63 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 69 
SG 72 
SG 74 
SG 75 
SG 76 
SG 79 
SG 80 
SG 81 
SG 82 
SG 83 
LHS 1 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
SG 89 
SG 90 
SG 91 
SG 94 
SG 98 
SG 99 
SG 100 

Weadon, Arthur 
SG 52 
SG 62 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 73 
SG 79 
SG 83 
SG 93 
SG 95 
SG 96 
SG 97 
SG 99 

Wild Thing/Rina Logan 
WT 0 
JTWO 5 
JTWO 6/2 
JTWO 8-FB 
JTWO 8 
JTWO 9/2 
JTWO 10 
JTWO 11/2 
WT 1 
SG 0.5 
WT 2 
WT 3 
WT 4 
WT 5 
SG 58 
SG 85 (23) ~ LHS 1 (1) 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Wingless Wizard 
FFIVE 2 
FFIVE 3 
FFIVE 4 

Wolverine/Logan 
JTWO 7-FB (6-8) 
WT 0 
JTWO 5 
JTWO 9/2 
JTWO 10 
JTWO 11/2 
WT 1 
WT 4 
SG 85 (23) ~ LHS 1 (1) 
LHS 2 
LHS 3 
LHS 4 
LHS 5 
LPS 4 
LPS 5 

Wrecker 
JTWO 7-FB (5:4) 

Yama, Jimmy 
WI?2 105 
SG 1 
SG 2 
SG 3 
SG 4 
SG 6 
SG 7 
SG 8-FB 
SG 8 
SG 9 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG 12 (4:4) 
SG 12 (4:5-5:3) ~ BUZZ 1-FB (8:5-9:3) 
SG 12 (5:4) 
SG 13 
SG 0.5 
SG 14 
SG '99/8 
SG 18 
SG 19 
SG 20 
SG 22 
SG 23 
SG 27 
SG 28 
SG 29 
SG 32 
SG 35 
SG 36 
SG 37 
SG 39 
SG 40 
SG 42 
SG 50 
SG 55 
SG 61 
SG 64 
SG 65 
SG 66 
SG 67 
SG 71 
SG 96 
SG 98 
SG 100 

Yama, Sachi 
JTWO 1 
JTWO 2 
JTWO 4/2 
JTWO 5 
JTWO 5/2 
JTWO 7-FB 
SG 8 
JTWO 9 
JTWO 12 
SG 14 
WT 4/2 
WT 5/2 

Zamora, Talia 
JTWO 1 
JTWO 1/3 
JTWO 2 
JTWO 3/3 
JTWO 4/2 
JTWO 7/3 
JTWO 8-FB 
JTWO 9 
JTWO 12 
WT 3/2 
WT 4/2 

Zarathos/Scrier Prime 
DARK 2-FB (8:2-9:3) 
DARK 1 
DARK 2 
DARK 3 
SG 83 
SG 84 

Zemo II 
AN 11

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Posted: 14 Sep 2006 12:16 pm    
By michaelyuri

I thought it made sense to try to do this while MC-2 is on hiatus, before the new Spider-Girl series starts up. 

I'm sure there are mistakes and omissions (I'm pretty sure I missed at least one flashback, and there are a few crowd scenes where I haven't yet managed to identify everyone). 

Any comments, questions, corrections, or additions are greatly appreciated. 

-Mike

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Posted: 23 Sep 2006 12:39 pm    
By Andy Grant

Nice work!

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Posted: 23 Sep 2006 10:31 pm    
By michaelyuri

Thanks - I had fun working on it. I've been a fan of the chronology project for years, but I generally own too few comics to be of much help in discussions. The self-contained MC-2 books seemed like a good place for me to contribute. 

I'll have more to add in the near future: Amazing Spider-Girl #0 is supposed to be a recap of May Parker's career to date. Hopefully, it will have some clues to help confirm my placement of her appearances in other titles. Currently, a number of my placements are based purely on publication date because I had nothing better to go on. 


-Mike

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Posted: 23 Sep 2006 10:35 pm    
By michaelyuri

I made some minor edits to the chronologies to fix incorrect abbreviations. No substantive changes. 

-Mike

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I've added Amazing Spider-Girl (ASG) to the key, and added a behind the scenes entry for Amazing Spider-Girl #0 to Spider-Girl's listing. 

I also realized suddenly (while reading the letters column in ASG 1) that I've had Mary Jane's last name listed incorrectly as Parker, instead of Watson-Parker. I've corrected this and moved it accordingly. 


I plan to do issue analyses and update the chronologies for Avengers Next at the conclusion of the miniseries, and for Amazing Spider-Girl at the end of each story arc.

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Thread 16

Posted: 05 Nov 2006 02:24 pm    Post subject: Locked topic
By michaelyuri

I had planned to keep updating the MC-2 chronology as new issues come out or whenever errors are found, but when I tried to access it today, I found that the topic had been locked. 

Is there a reason that the "MC-2 Chronology" topic on the MC-2 board is locked?

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Posted: 05 Nov 2006 07:42 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

If you keep updating the original thread, your suggested chronologies will never actually make it into the Project itself. We've locked it to ensure that your efforts are eventually reflected in the listings. 

My suggestion would be that you save up several corrections/updates, and make them all at once, in a new thread. 


watching: you wish

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Posted: 05 Nov 2006 08:09 pm    
By michaelyuri

Administrator wrote: 
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If you keep updating the original thread, your suggested chronologies will never actually make it into the Project itself. We've locked it to ensure that your efforts are eventually reflected in the listings. 
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No problem. I thought it might take a while for the MC-2 to make it into the Project, so I figured in the meantime I would keep things in one place. I definitely don't want to hold things up. 


Administrator wrote: 
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My suggestion would be that you save up several corrections/updates, and make them all at once, in a new thread. 
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Sounds good. I'll do that.

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Thread 17

Posted: 01 Nov 2006 01:07 am    Post subject: Calendar; Giant-Size Wolverine #1
By Col_Fury

Giant-Size Wolverine #1 
House of Blood and Sorrow 
W: David Lapham 
D: David Aja 
Published: December, 2006 

Appearances: 
Wolverine(Logan), LeeLee Buchman, Horace Buchman, Mama Buchman, some locals, some Hydra agents. 

Synopsis: 
Pg1-pg13pn1: Waverly, North Dakota 
LeeLee is making dinner when a robot crashes in her lawn, so she goes to check it out. A local is looking around and is scared by a charred Wolverine, so he leaves to get the sheriff. LeeLee brings Wolverine into the barn and tries to clean him up. The local shows the sheriff the robot and they think its an alien spacecraft. They decide to go to the nearby Buchman place to see if theyve seen any aliens. They ask Horace, but hes drunk. Meanwhile, Wolverine tells LeeLee hoe he ended up here. 
Pg13pn2-FB: earlier that day 
Wolverine fights a Hydra robot near the edge of the atmosphere. 
Pg13pn3(of 5)-pg17: Waverly, North Dakota 
The Hydra robot has reactivated and destroys the barn, but Wolverine in turn destroys it. Meanwhile, Horace yells at LeeLee. Elsewhere, a posse is being formed to fight the alien invasion, and some Hydra agents are nearby to lend a hand. 
Pg18-pg19pn1: Later after midnight 
Back at the Buchman place, LeeLee fills Wolverine in on her family history. 
Pg19pn2-FB: maybe 35 years ago? 
Mama is born with a tumor, and the doctors remove it. 
Pg19pn3: Waverly, North Dakota 
LeeLee continues her story. Mama married Horace, they moved to his farm, and her tumor started growing again. 
Pg19pn4(of 4)-FB: one day in 1999 
LeeLee is born normal.(after twelve other deformed births) 
Pg20-pg34 
LeeLee explains that the sheriff formed a posse and killed Mama afterwards. Horace informs them that the sheriff is coming, and tries to tell the sheriff to go away. He doesnt listen, so Wolverine attacks. Theres a fight, and Hydra calls in reinforcements. Horace is killed, which upsets Mama,(whos a tumor-monster in the basement) so she kills all the attackers. Afterwards, Wolverine buries Mamas old human body and tells LeeLee that hell take her to people who could take care of her, and they walk off into the sunrise. 

References: 
Autumn weather. People are wearing coats, and the trees have already lost their leaves. Being a spooky story, it seems that the intent is that this occurs in late October.(but it doesn't have to) 

A couple of months back, Wolverine had to stop a bad man connected to Hydra. I think its safe to say that hes talking about Enemy of the State here. A couple usually means 2, but in this case I think it just means more than one. 

The sheriff killed Mama in 1999, or seven years ago if you prefer. This isnt shown, but LeeLees birth is. 

Generally speaking, this occurs after Wolverine demolishes Hydras infrastructure in the closing pages of Enemy of the State, but before Union Jack #1, where Hydra is referred to as foremost no longer. It seems that after Wolverines attacks against Hydra, they floundered for a bit and tried to seek revenge, but eventually collapsed and are no more. 

Heres the temporal breakdown: 

GSW 1-FB pg19pn2: about 35 years ago, Mama born 
GSW 1-BTS(not shown): maybe 10 years ago?, Mama marries Horace 
GSW 1-FB pg19pn4: about 7 years ago, LeeLee born 
GSW 1-BTS(not shown): a day or two after GSW 1-FB pg19pn4, Mama is killed 
GSW 1-FB pg13pn2: Day 1, a Hydra robot attacks Wolverine 
GSW 1 pg1-pg13pn1: Day 1 
GSW 1 pg13pn3-pg17: Day 1 
GSW 1 pg18-pg19pn1: Day 2 
GSW 1 pg19pn3: Day 2 
GSW 1 pg20-pg34: Day 2
_________________
"Fury's gonna stay lost as long as he wants to stay lost. He kinda, from what I understand, wrote the book on it." -the President

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Thread 18

Posted: 31 Jul 2006 08:57 pm    Post subject: Updated call for analyses
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Previews came out last week, and that reminded me I need to update my call for analyses. Our stalwart volunteers are noted in parentheses. (Thanks, guys.) Other books are up for grabs! 

Completed stories (as of 9/27/06) 
Books of Doom #1-6 (Eric) 
Daredevil v2 #82-87 (Kevin) 
Daredevil v2 #88 (Kevin) 
Daughters of the Dragon #1-6 
Doc Samson v2 #1-5 (JLH) 
Franklin Richards: Son of a Genius Super Summer Spectacular 
Nick Furys Howling Commandos #1-6 (Russ) 
Reading to the Rescue #4 
Sentinel v2 #1-5 (JD) 
Stan Lee Meets Spider-Man 
Thor: Son of Asgard #7-12 (John) 
Underworld #1-5 

Future stuff 
Agents of Atlas #1-6 (Eric) 
Annihilation #1-6 (JLH) 
Blade v? #1-? (JLH) 
Claws #1-3 
Daredevil v2 #89-93 
Daredevil: Father #6 (Kevin) 
Doctor Strange: The Oath #1-5 (Frederic) 
Eternals v2 #1-6 (Eric) 
Franklin Richards: Happy Thanksgiving! 
Ghost Rider v4 #1-5 (JLH) 
Ghost Rider v4 #6-7 
Giant-Size Wolverine #1 (Col_Fury) 
Hellstorm: Son of Satan #1-5 (Frederic) 
Immortal Iron Fist #1-? 
Incredible Hulk v3 #96-99 (Kevin) 
Incredible Hulk v3 #100-? 
Irredeemable Ant-Man #1-? 
Marvel Westerns: Strange Westerns Featuring the Black Rider (Eric) 
Moon Knight v? #1-6 (Joe) 
Moon Knight v? #7-? 
Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E. #1-12 (Chris) 
Punisher v7 #37-42 (Col_Fury) 
Punisher War Journal v2 #1-3 (JLH) 
Punisher: X-Mas Special 
Runaways v2 #19-21 (JD) 
Runaways v2 #22-24 
Spider-Man Family Featuring Spider-Clan [canonical?] 
Stan Lee Meets Dr. Doom (Sean K.) 
Stan Lee Meets Silver Surfer (Sean K.) 
Stan Lee Meets the Thing (Sean K.) 
Union Jack v2 #1-4 (Frederic) 
White Tiger #1-6 (Kevin) 
Wisdom #1-6 
Wolverine: Origins #6-10 (Col_Fury) 
X-23: Target X #1-6 

Any help that people can provide would be greatly appreciated. As always, thanks to all who post on this forum!
_________________
Paul B.

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Posted: 31 Jul 2006 09:17 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

Quote: 
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Amazing Fantasy v3 #16-20 (Kevin)  
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Can we consider this one done, or do you really need a review of the portions of this story set in what is clearly the latest in a long line of alternate futures? Only that one flashback dealt with the "modern day" Marvel Universe... 


Quote: 
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Daredevil v2 #88 
Daredevil v2 #89-93  
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I've got these under control. I might sign up to review other titles if I continue to get more caught up.
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Posted: 31 Jul 2006 09:51 pm    
By JLH

I'll get on the Annhilation books very shortly, then will do the mini-series as it comes out. 

I'll get Punisher: The Tyger up this week (surprisingly, it doesn't seem to contradict anything! Yay, Ennis for a change!) 

Ghost Rider I'll try to get them up as they come out, but #1 had such a confusing ending, I needed to wait for 2. 

Might as well put me down for Blade and Punisher War Journal, unless whoever's doing regular Punisher wants it.

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Posted: 31 Jul 2006 11:38 pm    
By JD

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Runaways v2 #14-18 (JD) 
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It's completed (#18 came out two weeks ago). I'll try to do it this week-end, but it's a chronological puzzle (with LOTS of flashbacks to the past).

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Posted: 01 Aug 2006 08:08 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Kevin W. wrote: 
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Can we consider this one done 
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I think from the perspective of posting an analysis, AAF3 16-20 is done. It looks like we're still up in the air about the status of the flashback, though. I'll remove it from the call list, but I do want to make sure we readdress that flashback when the appropriate time comes.
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Posted: 01 Aug 2006 10:12 pm    
By Kevin W.
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And I believe that appropriate time will come when the Hulk, (and a Death's Head unit along with him) return to Earth, probably sometime next year, (real time). 

I probably will sign up for more analysis after I get caught up with Daredevil, but one thing at a time for now...
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Posted: 02 Aug 2006 08:17 am    
By Frederic Krier

I can do analyses for Union Jack v2, Hellstorm: Son of Satan and Doctor Strange:The Oath.

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Posted: 02 Aug 2006 08:28 am    
By JD

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Blade v? #1-? (JD) 
Punisher War Journal v2 #1-3 (JD) 
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I think you confused me with JLH 

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Posted: 03 Aug 2006 06:00 am    
By Paul Bourcier
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So I did. I knew I was going to do that someday.  

The call list is corrected with apologies to you both.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2006 09:41 pm    
By lkseitz

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Spider-Man Family: Amazing Friends 
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Analysis is posted. I'm not familiar enough with Spider-Man and Iceman's chronologies to offer suggestions of exactly where to place them. I might be able to come up with something for Firestar.
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Posted: 13 Aug 2006 02:35 pm    
By Col_Fury

In addition to Punisher v7 #37-39, I can also do Giant-Size Wolverine #1. Now that it's done, I'll see what I can make of Wolverine: Origins #1-5. 

And don't forget: 

Frederic Krier wrote: 
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I can do analyses for Union Jack v2, Hellstorm: Son of Satan and Doctor Strange:The Oath. 
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There may be more from me later, we'll see what happens. 
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Posted: 26 Aug 2006 01:00 am    
By Col_Fury

What the heck. Sign me up for Wolverine: Origins #6-10. It'll be fun. 
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Posted: 26 Aug 2006 08:08 am    
By Kevin W.
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I know it's not on your list just yet, Paul, but I want to volunteer for the White Tiger miniseries that just got solicited. Other than that, I'm content to focus on Daredevil and Hulk storylines for now...(and I hope to have my latest Daredevil review finished soon).
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Posted: 28 Aug 2006 01:10 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
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Updated the call again to reflect new volunteers and newly submitted analyses. Thanks, folks! (Kevin, I'll get White Tiger added once it appears in Previews.)
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Posted: 28 Aug 2006 02:26 pm    
By Somebody

It's not definitive, but Zombie doesn't look or sound canon: 

Mike Raicht (Zombie writer). Interview includes preview images. wrote: 
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Finally, with a big military conspiracy at the forefront of "Zombie," the books seems ripe for sequels and spin-offsand Raicht has it all planned out. "I have ideas for tons of stories in this Zombie universe. Warren, Axel and I have discussed the idea of a sequel, especially if this one does well.  
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Posted: 01 Sep 2006 06:01 am    
By Paul Bourcier
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Depends on what is meant by "Zombie Universe." Are we to interpret the word "universe" as consistent with the way "Marvel Universe" is used -- that somehow the Zombie stories exist outside the Marvel Universe? Or does this use of "universe" merely suggest a corner of the MU -- like the X-books? 

Do we have a definitive statement from any creator that Zombie is intended to be non-canonical?
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Posted: 01 Sep 2006 06:07 am    
By Paul Bourcier
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I just updated the call list again. New additions are from this week's Marvel Previews. Thanks, everyone!
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Posted: 01 Sep 2006 09:38 am    
By Somebody

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Do we have a definitive statement from any creator that Zombie is intended to be non-canonical? 
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Not to my knowledge. Lots and lots of hints that would make me very, very surprised if it was MU, but nothing absolutely unarguable (then again, I wouldn't expect such a statement even if it isn't).

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Posted: 01 Sep 2006 03:17 pm    
By Col_Fury

Quote: 
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Captain America 65th Anniversary Special  
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Are you talking about the 2 page 'current day' epilogue, or the main story WWII adventure? Either way, I can grab this.
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Posted: 01 Sep 2006 07:47 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
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Col_Fury wrote: 
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Are you talking about the 2 page 'current day' epilogue, or the main story WWII adventure? Either way, I can grab this. 
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I was originally going to tackle this but considering that I was primarily interested in present-day events, I got sticker shock. I'd like to know about the epilogue for Calendar purposes, but I'm assuming you'll want to tackle the WWII adventure as it's right up your alley. Thanks, Col!
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Posted: 01 Sep 2006 11:26 pm 
By JLH

For the record, Punisher: The Tyger has no scenes in present day. The framing sequences take place around the time Frank became Punny. I'll still be doing the analysis for it, though.

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Posted: 12 Sep 2006 09:34 pm   
By Somebody

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Do we have a definitive statement from any creator that Zombie is intended to be non-canonical? 
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Now we do: 

Mike Raicht (Zombie writer wrote: 
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ATR: Is this set in the Marvel Universe? Is there any continuity that readers have to know about to enjoy this story? 

MR: This is set in its own little corner of the MAX Marvel Universe and is a brand new beginning for Simon Garth. Everything you need to know is right in this story. No continuity. 

And for those Marvel U. Simon Garth fans, no worries. He is still safe and sound just waiting for a writer to bring him back to the Marvel Universe again. 
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Making a clear distinction between the "MAXMU" character and the Marvel U character.

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Posted: 13 Sep 2006 06:07 am    
By Paul Bourcier
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Thanks for the confirmation, Somebody. I've deleted Zombie from the call for analyses.
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Posted: 20 Sep 2006 12:31 am    
By JLH

Ghost Rider's first arc actually runs to issue 5, issues 6 & 7 are a new two-parter, supposedly explaining how Blaze ended up in hell.

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Posted: 20 Sep 2006 05:46 am   
By Paul Bourcier
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OK. Thanks, JLH.
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Posted: 24 Sep 2006 04:34 am    
By JLH

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Doc Samson v2 #1-5 
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I guess it's inevitable, since I did the analysis for the first Doc Samson mini, so you might as well put me down for this one, too.

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Posted: 03 Oct 2006 08:25 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
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Updated the call -- moved a couple from future to completed and added a couple to future.
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Posted: 03 Oct 2006 09:09 pm    
By Kevin W.
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Except you have "Daredevil: Father #6 (Kevin) " on the completed list. It hasn't even been solicitated yet, to my knowledge, (it's in limbo, waiting to be published someday). 

I am working on my Daredevil analysis, and hope to have it up soon.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2006 05:56 am    
By Paul Bourcier
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OK, I'll make the change. Thanks.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2006 07:13 am    
By Kevin W.
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By the way, Paul, are you getting the November and December "What If" specials this year? I'll be getting them, and can provide analysis if needed, (just to double check and see if they have any sections that are canon, like last year's specials).
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Posted: 04 Oct 2006 11:51 am    
By SKleefeld
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I can take the upcoming Stan Lee meets Doom, Surfer and Thing books.

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Posted: 04 Oct 2006 07:55 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Kevin wrote: 
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By the way, Paul, are you getting the November and December "What If" specials this year? I'll be getting them, and can provide analysis if needed, (just to double check and see if they have any sections that are canon, like last year's specials). 
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I'm not planning on getting these, so if they do contain canonical material, please do post. Thanks! 

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Posted: 15 Oct 2006 10:20 pm    
By Col_Fury

I just finished reading Punisher 39. It ends with a To Be Continued, which makes me think that this: 

Punisher v7 #37-39 
Punisher v7 #40-42 

is actually one six issue arc, instead of two three issue arcs. You can keep me on for Punisher v7 #37-42, Paul.
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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 01:12 am    
By Col_Fury

I did the others, so I might as well do the Punisher: X-Mas Special. Also, I realize it isn't listed, but the Winter Soldier one-shot coming in December will have some FlashBack material that I'll be happy to analyse.  You can put me down for that too, if you want.
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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 01:39 am    
By JLH

Paul Bourcier wrote: 
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Ghost Rider v4 #6-7 
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I have to do those. Semblance of continuity! I can also do the upcoming GR3 94 special, though it won't be too helpful for the calendar taking place in 1998 and all.

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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 06:57 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Thanks, Col_Fury and JLH. I'm going to post a new update thread momentarily. I plan to get the Winter Soldier one-shot, so it won't be listed, but I would appreciate some help with flashbacks, Col!
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Thread 19

Posted: 01 Nov 2006 01:46 pm    Post subject: Stan Lee meets Spider-Man
By Frederic Krier

Done already! 

Stan Lee meets the Amazing Spider-Man 1 

November 2006 

1st story: Stan Lee meets the Amazing Spider-Man 
Weirdly written by Stan Lee, pluperfectly penciled by Oliver Coipel, incredibly inked by Mark Morales 

Appearances: Stan Lee, Spider-Man [Peter Parker], Mosquito Man (1st appearance) 
Page 1-9: One day. The TV plays an episode of the seventies' Hulk show (Lou Ferrigno is seen on the screen). Stan is alone at home, as his wife Joan visits their daughter. He bakes some of his famous superhero cookies. Suddenly Spider-Man (in his classic outfit) comes in through the window and tells Stan about his problems: he wants to leave a normal life and wants to quit being a superhero. Stan tells him that he's selfish, and that he has to consider all the people he'll put out of business: T-Shirt manufacturers, action figures, animation companies, movie studios, comic book publishers, video game designers, poster artists. Spider-Man rises up, being aware of his duty again, and won't even taste the cookies, as he jumps into action, as Stan tells him he hears a police siren. As Spidey swings away, Stan wishes that the next time Spidey has a problem, he'll take it to Ditko. 
Page 10: Later that evening. Spider-Man sits on a roof and ponders why nobody likes Stan, even though he is so wise and helpful. Mosquito Man sneaks up on him, asking if he's quitting, as he had told Mosquito Man he might. Spidey tells MM that Stan talked him out of it. MM is disappointed, as he thought he could take Spidey's place, but as Spidey swings away, he tells him that maybe there's room for the two of us in NYC. 

Comments: This might actually be canon. Nowhere Spider-Man refers to Stan as his creator. Some remarks though: 
On page 4: Spidey tells Stan no wonder they made you play Willie Lumpkin 
On page 5: Spidey says now that I've met you, which would indicate this is their first meeting. Of course, they have met before in other comics (and Stan presumably looked younger in those). 
Other than that, this could fit in whenever in Spider-Man's continuity, presumably before his secret identity is public knowledge (Stan doesn't seem to be aware of his true identity). The large industry centered around Spider-Man doesn't really contradict previous continuity at all  we know that there are comic books published about him, that there are action figures, Deadpool mentioned the movie starring Tobey Maguire several times over in C&DP... 

2nd story: Some Steves 
W: Joss Whedon A: Michael Gaydos 

This takes place at the Second Interdimensional Comicon, as three different comic dealers called Steve Rennitz discuss the comics in their respective home dimension. At one point, the Stan Lee from the dimension whose Steve Rennitz knows Marvel Comics as created by Stan Lee turns up, believing he's unique in the multiverse. Just at that moment, another Stan Lee shows up, who sells meats. Stan Lee 1 and his dimension's Steve Rennitz decide to just go off to Pornworld. 

Presumably not Earth-616, as all Marvel characters are referred to only as comic characters. 

3rd story: Waiting for the man 
W&A: Fred Hembeck 

Percival Pinkerton, Princess Python and the Beetle in his original costume are all waiting for Stan Lee, but instead only Fred Hembeck shows up. Obviously not canon, as Pinky and Princess Python all consider Stan to be their creator (the Beetle is asleep until the last panel, but presumably he does, too).

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Posted: 01 Nov 2006 01:55 pm    
By Frederic Krier

Addendum to Story 1: 
actually, there's also a Flashback on page 6: Spider-Man has beaten Doc Octopus (in his classic costume, lying unconscious on the floor), while some policemen complain that he's always doing their job for them, so they'll never get a raise. 
And we see images of Electro, the Black Cat (!), the Rhino, Kraven, Rocket Racer, the Scorpion, the Black Widow (in her original costume), and the Jackal as foes of Spider-Man, so the story has to happen after Spidey has met at least once each one of them (and not at any point of his chronology, as I put above).

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Thread 20

Posted: 02 Nov 2006 03:16 pm    Post subject: Stan Lee Meets the Thing
By SKleefeld
Director

"Stan Lee Meets the Thing" 

Stan's biking along the streets of Manhattan, noting that he's on vacation. As he passes the Atlas Theater (as far as I can see, it's NOT one of the Atlas corporations noted in Agents of Atlas #4) he stumbles across a bit of a tussel between the Thing and the Yancy Street Gang. Stan offers to help, and the Thing uses that as an excuse to rip the wheels off Stan's bike and frisbee them towards the Yancy Streeters. 

Stan then offers to write a story in which Ben becomes "nice and normal" again. Ben becomes irked and grabs Stan, while somewhat accidentally causing a semi to careen into some scaffolding... which causes a painter to fall and knock down a bucket off "Hulk Green Paint" on Stan. 

Just then, Ben notices three stooges (who, curiously, look like Moe, Larry, and Curly) robbing a bank and hopping into a Roxxon van to get away. (License plate NCC1701 ) Ben rips out the street sign from the corner of Yancy and Nelson and smashes the getaway van. As the police arrive to arrest the hoodlums, Ben explains to Stan that he's the "only normal guy there is. Next t'me, everyone else is a wimp!" Consequently, he has no desire to go back to being "normal." 

A horde of women crowd around asking for autographs and photo ops, as Ben walks away. Stan's left thinking, "Hey, Benjamin -- do me a favor. Next time you fly a rocket up through the cosmic belt -- take me along!" 

Appearances by: Stan Lee, Thing, Iron Man (one panel cameo in a window) 

Now, at first blush, I was ready to dismiss this story as non-canon. Stan claims to be have the power, as a writer, to make Ben human again. However, careful reading shows that Ben never actively acknowledges that Stan indeed has that power. For all he knows, this guy is just some looney and the easiest thing for Ben to do is humor him. This idea is actually enforced by the first panel, in which Stan's bike ride is actually holding up traffic. He reacts to the honking horns and drivers' curses, "I guess everyone recognizes me -- because they're honking their horns in joyous welcome!" I think this clearly establishes the character as somewhat out of touch with reality, so it's plausible that he has some form of dementia that leads him to believe his writings can affect reality. That sort of power isn't unheard of in the Marvel Universe either -- Tales to Astonish #31 and Strange Tales #108 to cite two examples. 

The biggest issue really seems to be Ben not recognizing Stan. However, the only time I can find where Stan and Ben might have met is FF #176. It was established in FF #10 that Reed handled most of the dealings with Marvel, so there's really no reason that Ben and Stan SHOULD have formally met before now. 

It's a bit of a stretch, I'll admit, but I don't see anything here which definitively says this CAN'T be in continuity. It falls fairly easily in Ben's timeline just about anytime when he's in New York City. 

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"So You Wanna Play, Eh?" 

Stan's banging away a Captain America/Red Skull story from an army camp in 1944. He kicks back and relaxes a bit, smug with how speedy a writer he is. His Captain calls and demands a new training film with "one'a them comic book heroes of yours" to star in it. Stan calls Vince Fago at Timely... 

SIDE NOTE: Incredible drawing of Vince, I have to say! I recognized him straight off before reading the text of the page. In fact, most of the pics of Stan are really good as well. I never had that much appreciation of Scott Kolins work until I saw how he depicted these real people. I have a great new respect for Scott's work now. Wow! 

... and asks for Vince to send over three super heroes. Before you know it, the Destroyer, Father Time and Jack Frost show up in Stan's office. Stan asks them to "find somebody to play an Axis bad guy and pretend to beat 'im up -- and I'll write a script to go with it." They heroes agree: "We'll be back in a tick." 

Some time later, Stan decides to go out and look for them. He's interuppted by the Red Skull (who Stan thinks is an imposter in a mask) who tries to steal Stan's car "to escape the heroes who pursue me!" Skull pushes Stan aside and tries to make a getaway, but the heroes return and have Skull knocked out soon after. They then haul Skull off to "Captain America's place" because "Our time here is up, Lee." Stan is left trying to figure out how he can keep them around long enough for a film crew to arrive. "B-but -- even if this turns out to be a dream -- shouldn't I be able to control you or somethnig?" 

We cut to the filming of Stan's flick where a guy in a really bad skull mask takes a beating from "The American Fighting Man!" -- Stan in his army uniform, a domino mask and a cape. The Captain compliments Stan on his speediness and reminds him to make sure the film is done by tomorrow. 

After the filming, Stan wanders back to his office lamenting that he created those three characters, but that they were just also-rans compared to Cap, Torch and Namor. He then wonders if he'll ever create any really great characters, and we see him surrounded by the FF, Avengers, X-Men, Inhumans, Galactus, Dr. Doom, etc. 

Appearances by: Stan Lee, Vince Fago 

Again, this is a story that seems to defy continuity at first blush for obvious reasons. BUT, I think there's enough ambiguity built into the story to allow for some of it to be brought into the fold. After Stan hangs up with Vince, he kicks back in his chair and is clearly shown dreaming of Cap, Torch and Namor. And, as the Destroyer, Father Time and Jack Frost leave Stan, he actively notes that the whole adventure might turn out to be a dream, later adding that he created the characters specifically for use in comic books. So it's possible that everything between page 3 panel six and page eight panel three was a dream sequence. 

Indeed, not every piece of art in the story is canonical even within the context of the story. The opening panel shows the story Stan is writing, he's later clearly dreaming of Timely's big three, and the parting shot is obviously metaphoric. So the art within the story shows, from time to time, Stan's thoughts and not just the actions of the story itself. So, why couldn't it be possible that the Destroyer/Father Time/Jack Frost/Red Skull portion ALSO be simply a depiction of what's going on in Stan's head? 

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"What If Stan 'The Man' Lee & the Blob Were Roommates" 
Clearly defined as a "what if" story. Non-canonical. 

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"A Monster Forever?" 
Reprint of FF #79 

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CONCLUSION: As awkward as the stories are from a continuity perspective, I don't think we can completely discount these as out of the canon just yet.

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Posted: 02 Nov 2006 03:56 pm    
By Enda80

I thought the second story could count for Earth-616, since at one point Timely is said to produce authorized accounts of adventures of Cap et al., but later the Destroyer claims to have his origin taken from Cap, and Lee refers to creating them. It seems to me that Roy Thomas set up it up one way (i.e. this as a perfectly Earth-616 worthy incident, with the explanation that Timely was authorized to adapt the Earth-616 diagetically real adventures of the adventurerers for their magazines) but veered to the other way. 

I guess you could write off the Destroyer's comment since it has at some point been established that the formula created by Eric Schmitt that transformed him was based on Erskine's super-solider serum. 

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Union_Jack_(Brian_Falsworth) 

Perhaps Lee misspoke and meant to say that he *adapted* them as opposed to created them?

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Posted: 02 Nov 2006 07:58 pm    
By SKleefeld
Director

Actually, Stan doesn't say he created any characters. The dialogue in the panel in question reads:

Stan Lee wrote: 
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*sigh* It was okay sharing a caper with three super heroes I dreamed up... 
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Further evidence that the sequence with Destroyer, Father Time and Jack Frost was just a dream. He could be referring to the "caper" as a dream and not the heroes. 


Stan Lee wrote: 
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But those three are also-rans compared to the Torch, Cap, and Subby. 
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Obviously, this could be referencing either the real heroes, the comic characters, or both. 


Stan Lee wrote: 
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And they're the best I've come up with so far for Timely Comics. 
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This could imply that Stan simply was acting as an agent of sorts for Timely, securing the rights to use their likenesses for Timely. 


In the next panel, Stan says...Stan Lee wrote: 
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Nuts! It'll probably be this after the war, too. Even if I give it my best shot -- and even if I'm lucky enough to work with tbest comic artists in the world -- 
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Nothing substantial to speak to canoncity one way or another there. 


And in the final panel...

Stan Lee wrote: 
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-- I wonder if I'll ever make up any really great characters!" 
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The obvious implication is that Stan creates all of those characters pictured (the FF, the X-Men, etc.) but we have to remember that it's just an IMPLICATION and we can't rely on an implication of evidence of anything.

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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 12:10 am    
By jephyork
Director

Okay, stop it. The gag's gone too far.  

-Jeph!

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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 07:25 am    
By SKleelfeld
Director


So you're expecting that the guys working on the next official Handbook won't incorporate all these into the lexicon? 

I'm still not saying that these are or aren't in-continuity stories, but I am going to consider the very real possibilty that they will be made official by a future Handbook which then any number of people will take as gospel.

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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 07:47 am    
By Somebody

Yeah, well, the Handbook persists in a reading of Counter-X X-Man that's contradicted by the actual issues, but goes with something the writer said online that presumably an editor got to for the actual issues... 

And I think that's a case of "crossing that bridge when it comes up." These are more akin to the last episode of Spider-Man TAS than Fantastic Four #10.

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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 11:01 am    
By jephyork
Director

Sean, I thought the party line around here was that the Handbooks, and other secondary sources, can't tell us that a book is canon. 

And what do we care what "any number of people" think? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 12:05 pm    
By SKleefeld
Director

Too subtle with my sarcasm, then?

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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 12:24 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Either that or I've gotten thicker in the two weeks I've been away from these boards. 

So, it IS a gag? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 01:19 pm    
By SKleefeld
Director

In all seriousness, I think that if we really wanted to, we could force these into continuity. Overall, I think they're not intended to be, but I"ll give Stan (and Rascally Roy) a lot of credit for writing these in a clever manner that plays to those folks who want everything to be canon. 

I'm still planning on doing Issue Analysis of the Surfer and Doom ones as well because... well, because I said I would. And if Brevoort or Quesada or someone talks to Newsarama or someone and says, "Yes, they were written to be part of continuity and they we'll be including a story in next month's Amazing Spider-Man that ties all of them together as part of a larger story arc where Stan Lee turns out have been captured by the Skrulls and..." (Well, you get the idea.) 

I figure it's not going to hurt anything to analyze the books here so that A) we can collectively agree that they're out of bounds without everyone having to buy them all, and B) if/when we get some official confirmation of canonocity, then we're already on top of things. 

So, what I'm saying, ultimately, is that I'm strongly leading towards non-canon, but I'm trying to leave the window open a smidge just to be on the safe, all-inclusive side.

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Thread 21

Posted: 02 Nov 2006 08:56 pm    Post subject: Amazing Spider-Girl #0
By michaelyuri

This issue is basically a recap of Spider-Girl's history to bring new readers up to speed for the new Spider-Girl series. 

It's written in the form of an extended diary entry by May. Because this purports to be a real MC-2 document, I believe May should receive a BTS entry for the issue. This issue follows Last Planet Standing, and precedes the new Amazing Spider-Girl series and Avengers Next miniseries, since May wonders at the end whether she will ever return to being Spider-Girl. 

There is very little new information in this issue, and as far as I can see, just about nothing that helps with the chronological placement of previously published issues. 

I did spot one scene that has not previously been portrayed in the MC-2 books, but it's not clear that it should get an entry. On Page 2, the second panel depicts Peter and Mary Jane's wedding. The picture is the variant cover of the wedding issue, ASM@ 21. This image was originally a cover and covers do not typically display canonical material. Further, the background of the picture is a Spider-Heart. This leads me to believe that this panel is not meant to represent an actual MC-2 scene, but is instead just a stylized representation of the wedding. 


One minor note: 
At the end of the issue there are some short profiles of recurring characters. One of the characters listed is the teacher, Ms. Winterhalter. She doesn't currently have an MC-2 chronology entry, since she has only appeared in one issue (aside from a dream sequence), however, the appearance of this profile suggests that she will probably be returning in the new series.

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Posted: 02 Nov 2006 09:45 pm    
By Col_Fury

michaelyuri wrote: 
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The picture is the variant cover of the wedding issue, ASM@ 21. This image was originally a cover and covers do not typically display canonical material. Further, the background of the picture is a Spider-Heart.  
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Not typically, no, but covers have on occasion.(I'm thinking of Excalibur 55, here  ) That aside, this picture may have originally been a cover, but it's now being presented as a photograph. As for the Spider-Heart, could they have altered the picture, or could it be matted like that or something? If possible, I think it'd be neat to include this.
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Posted: 03 Nov 2006 07:23 am    
By michaelyuri

I'm certainly open to treating the panel as canonical. 

Although the panel is presented as if it is a photo in a scrap book in which May is writing her diary, I don't think it can be assumed to be a real MC-2 photo since so many of the other panels in the issue are things that May could not possibly have photos of. However, since the rest of the panels clearly portray canonical MC-2 events, it seems reasonable to treat this one that way as well. 

Can somebody help me to identify the people in the background? On the left we have Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, Aunt May, and Flash Thompson. On the far right we have Harry Osborn and Liz Allan. Who are the other man and woman on the right hand side?

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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 09:05 am    
By rhod

Is this exactly the sameas ASM@21? If so, the woman directly to MJ's left is Anna Watson.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2006 11:08 am    
By michaelyuri

rhod wrote: 
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Is this exactly the sameas ASM@21? 
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Yes, it's exactly the same as the cover. 

rhod wrote: 
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If so, the woman directly to MJ's left is Anna Watson. 
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Thanks! Any idea who the man standing right next to her is?

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Posted: 05 Nov 2006 02:09 pm    
By michaelyuri

Here are the updated chronologies to reflect this panel. 


Jameson, J. Jonah 
SG 10 
SG 11 
*ASG 0-FB (2:2) 
SMF 1-FB 
SG 4 
. . . 

*Osborn, Harry 
*ASG 0-FB (2:2) 

Osborn, Liz Allan 
SG 11 
SG 54-FB (10:3) 
*ASG 0-FB (2:2) 
WI?2 105 

Parker, May 
SG 44-FB (8:2) 
SG 10 
SG 11 
*ASG 0-FB (2:2) 

Robertson, Joseph "Robbie" 
*ASG 0-FB 
SMF 1-FB (4:3) 

Spider-Man/Peter Parker 
SG 44-FB (8:2-8:6) 
SG 7/2-FB (2:4) 
SG 10 
SG 11 
SG 7/2-FB (3:1) 
SG 97-FB (10:1) 
SG 7/2-FB (3:3) 
*ASM 0-FB (2:2) 
SG 44-FB (12:3-12:5) 
SG 7/2-FB (3:4) 
. . . 

Thompson, Eugene "Flash" 
SG 10 
SG 11 
*ASG 0-FB (2:2) 
SG 1 
SG 2 
. . . 

*Watson, Anna 
*ASG 0-FB (2:2) 

Watson-Parker, Mary Jane 
SG 11 
*ASG 0-FB (2:2) 
SG 7/2-FB (3:4) 
SG 44-FB (13:3) 
. . .

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Posted: 05 Nov 2006 08:15 pm    
By michaelyuri

A quick note about the above entries: 

'Osborn, Liz Allan' is current listed as 'Allan, Liz' 

'Thompson, Eugene "Flash"' is currently listed as 'Thompson, Flash' 

'Robertson, Joseph "Robbie"' is currently listed as 'Robertson, Robbie'

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Thread 22

Posted: 09 Jun 2006 12:04 pm    Post subject: New Avengers AAFES Giveaway III
By Jason Doty

New Avengers AAFES Giveaway III (Indicia says AAFES 3rd Edition) 

Story: Avengers & X-Men: Time Trouble 
by Robert Kirkman and Scott Hepburn & Alex Chung (Udon) 

The present: Spider-Man has just defeated Boomerang who is webbed to a building upside down. He tells him even though he is an Avenger now hell always make time for him, then swings off for Avengers Tower. (Spider-Man is wearing his original costume and the tower has Sentrys whatever it is on top. The sun appears to be coming up. 

When Spider-Man arrives he finds an unconscious Jarvis and destroyed section of the tower with a strange portal in the background. Jarvis explains there was a large fight and the X-Men were there and they and his fellow Avengers went through the portal. Spider-Man follows. 

On the other side of the portal he finds the Astonishing X-Men along with Captain America, Iron Man, Cage, and many WWII soldiers fighting robots that are reminiscent of Kang. (Kangs sword ship is above the battle field) 

Iron Man explains to Spider-Man that Kang mind controlled the X-Men and sent them to fight the New Avengers. The New Avengers freed the X-Men and defeated Kang, but he got away. Using equipment he left behind they accessed his ship found out his new plan and using the technology moved to intercept him. His plan was to kill Captain America in the past. Both teams proceeded to the past and found the WWII Cap first and he is safely hidden. 

The New Avengers left the portal open in the hopes of Sentry coming to their aid and both teams are trying to defend soldiers and defeat Kang without altering the timeline. As they fight they are reinforced by Nick Fury and his Howling Commandoes. (I recognize Fury and Dum-Dum Dugan) All the groups press forward their attack, but the battle stops when Kang appears to have the WWII Cap. Spider-Woman appears on the scene and apologizes for letting him get away from her. 

WWII Cap does not want to see good men get killed for one man and makes Kang an offer. He wants Kang to take him out of the time line and show him the future where he does not exist and see if it makes a difference. If it does he will let Kang kill him, if not Kang must return him and let him go. Kang agrees. WWII Cap tells the others to trust him and he and Kang depart while the others wait pondering what will happen. 

Moments later, a battle ravaged Kang and WWII Cap return. Kang releases him as promised. The modern Cap takes out Kang and the New Avengers take him into custody. WWII Cap explains that a group of Avengers in the future, every bit as good as this group defeated him even without Cap, because no group is about just one person but the group itself. The New Avengers and X-Men return a second after they left. The X-Men head back to the mansion, but Wolverine is going to stay at the tower because it has better TV. 

Iron Man tells Jarvis not to clean up alone, but call a service. Jarvis questions how they can save the world in heartbeat, but none of them seem to be able to pick up a broom. 

Continuity notes 
Before  The Other story arc after Sentrys Whatever manifests and Wolverine joins the New Avengers. Most likely before House of M.

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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 02:22 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Thanks, Jason! 

Quote: 
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Most likely before House of M. 
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Why? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 02:48 pm    
By Jason Doty

In this case, I would assume it is because Sentry is actively participating with the New Avengers because they hoped he would be the one to help and he has not been seen much since. I guess it could go either way but their is no angst over depowered mutants and such. Also the story reads as if Spider-Man and Wolverine have not been New Avengers very long.

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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 06:06 pm    
By Col_Fury

Any mention of when in WWII this was? A year, maybe? Or which part of Europe they were in? 

Was Cap by himself or was he fighting with troops, or maybe the Invaders?(any mention of Namor or the Torch?) Which shield did he have? 

Did Cap seem surprised by a group of heroes from the future? Or by Kang? If not, I would probably place this after Invaders Annual 1/Avengers 71 'crossover.' 

Thanks!
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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 07:54 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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New Avengers AAFES Giveaway III (Indicia says AAFES 3rd Edition) 
Story: Avengers & X-Men: Time Trouble  
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Hmm. So what should we call this? As I recall, the last AAFES giveaway was NEW AVENGERS GUEST STARRING THE FANTASTIC FOUR, right? And what was the first one? My mind's drawing a blank right now. 

Thanks for the analysis, Jason!
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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 08:28 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Both of the first two giveaways were called "New Avengers Guest Starring the Fantastic Four". 

In my own personal database, I call the first two NA/FF 2004 and 2005, and I'll be calling the third simply NA:AAFES. That is, unless they make a 2007 edition that's also just called "New Avengers", then this one would retroactively become NA:AAFES 2006. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 09 Jun 2006 10:54 pm    
By Jason Doty

Quote: 
>>>
Any mention of when in WWII this was? A year, maybe? Or which part of Europe they were in? 
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No mention of dates. A battlefield that could be any with bunkers and destroyed terrain. 


Quote: 
>>>
Was Cap by himself or was he fighting with troops, or maybe the Invaders?(any mention of Namor or the Torch?) Which shield did he have?  
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WWII Cap was by himself, troops were fighting alongside the X-Men and New Avengers. No mention of Namor or the Torch. Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos show up. WWII cap had the original shield, not the round one. 


Quote: 
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Did Cap seem surprised by a group of heroes from the future? Or by Kang? If not, I would probably place this after Invaders Annual 1/Avengers 71 'crossover.'  
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No he did not seem suprised.

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Posted: 10 Jun 2006 06:56 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Quote: 
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Both of the first two giveaways were called "New Avengers Guest Starring the Fantastic Four". In my own personal database, I call the first two NA/FF 2004 and 2005 
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Uh oh. I'm missing a write-up of one of these. Jeph, you submitted an analysis of one of these two comics in May of 2005 -- I assume that was NA/FF 2005? This is the one that involves the Kree soldiers in suspended animation. Has anyone submitted an analysis of the other NA/FF comic?
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Posted: 10 Jun 2006 08:24 pm    
By Jason Doty

While the first and third one have a shot of being canon, the second has Thor in it. If it wasn't for that glitch the story would have a shot of making it.

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Posted: 10 Jun 2006 09:26 pm    
By jephyork
Director

The one with the Kree soldiers was the first issue. (And, wait a minute, if I wrote that analysis in May 2005, why did I call it NA/FF 2004 in my database? Does anybody know when both of these comics came out?) 

Paul, you're missing a write-up for the second NA/FF comic -- nobody wrote one because we decided that it couldn't possibly be canon, based on Thor's prominent presence during the New Avengers period. 

Although, if Thor returns in the pages of Civil War, as appears likely -- that second NA/FF comic could turn out to be "canon" (or as canon as giveaway books get around here) after all... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 10 Jun 2006 11:15 pm    
By Somebody

That presumes it's "Classic" Thor that comes back...

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Posted: 11 Jun 2006 11:14 am    
By jephyork
Director

Yes, yes it does. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 07 Nov 2006 09:50 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Col_Fury, did you ever place this story in WWII chronology? I just picked up this issue and the only other clue I can offer is that Cap's cowl is not attached to his shirt, if that makes a difference. And I don't see any evidence to suggest the WWII scene here was an alternate timeline created by the arrival of the New Avengers and/or Kang.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2006 11:24 pm    
By Col_Fury

I currently have it in March of '44, shortly before BP4 1-FB & BP4 21-FB. Captain America appears in all of these with the triangular shield, and with his cowl unattached to his shirt.(thanks for that, Paul) I'm assuming there's a reason for his using his old gear, so I'm keeping them grouped together. A suggested placement for Cap: 

CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVEN ROGERS 
... 
CA 219-FB(1944) 
CLAND 8-FB (1944) 
*NA: AAFES 
BP4 21-FB 
BP4 1-FB(1944) 
... 

As for Sgt. Fury, I don't want to nail things down too much until I've really had a chance to get my head around the Howlers' chronology. At the very least, I can suggest this: 

FURY, SGT. NICHOLAS "NICK" JOSEPH 
... 
*NA: AAFES 
WX2 14-FB (1944) 
... 

Besides Dum Dum, any idea of who the other Howlers may be? Gabe or Reb, maybe? 

And a favor: Any chance I could get page/panel ranges for the WWII parts?
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Posted: 08 Nov 2006 06:59 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Col_Fury wrote: 
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And a favor: Any chance I could get page/panel ranges for the WWII parts? 
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The WWII parts are shown on pages 6-20. 


Col_Fury wrote: 
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Besides Dum Dum, any idea of who the other Howlers may be? Gabe or Reb, maybe? 
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No sign of Gabe. The only other Howler with any kind of distinguishing features is a white man with short dark hair and a bushy brown moustache. He looks older than the rest of the soldiers depicted here. Was there a British dude who was assigned to the Howlers?
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Posted: 08 Nov 2006 02:32 pm    
By Col_Fury

Thanks! 

As for 'other' Howlers: 
Percy Pinkerton was British, he had dark hairk, usually wore glasses and had a thin moustache. He replaced Junior when he was Killed In Action. 

Gabe Jones often has his trumpet, but not always, and is black. 

Izzy Cohen was the mechanic, dark hair and Jewish. 

Reb Ralston was blonde, and usually spoke with a southern accent. 

Dino Manelli looks just like Dean Martin. 

Dum Dum's an icon. Easily identifiable in a crowd.  

Other people have been assigned to the Howlers for brief periods, either when one of the regulars were injured, or on leave, or on another assignment. I think the guy with the bushy brown moustache may be one of these temporary replacements.
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Thread 23

Posted: 09 Nov 2006 08:25 am    Post subject: Happy Franksgiving
By SKleefeld
Director

I picked this up on a whim, and since no one's "claimed" an analysis for it, I thought I'd step up to the plate. As far as I know, all of these stories (except for the Guiding Light backup crossover) are new to this book. 

Hamster Havoc! 
Reed and Sue decide to give Franklin a present because he's been so well-behaved lately. Although Franklin was hoping for a dog, it turns out to be a hamster and Franklin's somewhat less than thrilled. Reed excuses himself to head to his lab. 

"Later" Reed is in his lab talking with the Mayor about his "instant reconstructor." HERBIE finds Franklin about to use Reed's transmutanator on the hamster to turn him into the "dog [he's] always wanted!" Not surprisingly, the settings weren't quite right, though, and the hamster grows to an enormous size. HERBIE, thinking quickly, activates some containment protocols and capture the monster hamster in a force field. He then sends it to the roof where it won't damage Reed's lab. 

By the time, HERBIE and Franklin make it to the roof, though, the hamster has got up to Godzilla-size, bursting out of the force field and now wrecking havoc through the city. HERBIE whips down and steals the "instant reconstructor" out from under Reed's nose while he's still talking with the Mayor. He zaps the old hamster wheel and provides it -- now the size of a skyscraper -- to the monster hamster, who happily starts running in it. 

"Soon" Reed comes up to the roof looking for his instant reconstructor only to find HERBIE and Franklin playing with the returned-to-normal-size hamster "who totally didn't turn into a giant mutant and destroy the city, by the way..." 

--end-- 

All in all, the story looks like it takes place over maybe an hour or so, although a break can be placed just before we see Reed in his lab if need be. Appearances by: Invisible Woman, Mr. Fantastic, Franklin Richards, HERBIE, "Mr. Mayor" (bald guy with glasses and a 'tache), unnamed hamster 

Telepathy Terror! 
Franklin is frustrated because he's not sure whether or not a girl -- "Katie" -- likes him or not. He tells HERBIE that he thought she did, but apparently when he asked, she started acting like she didn't like him. Franklin soon realizes that he'd be able to figure out what she thinks about him if he borrows his dad's telepathy helmet. 

He finds the helmet in a cardboard box in "The Lab" admist various non-descript gizmos (although I will say that one item looks impressively like a light saber). As soon as Franklin turns the helmet on, he starts receiving an image of himself tied to a chair. Worried about "who's got it in for" him, he checks out other people in the building. Sue is enjoying a cup of coffee in the kitchen and is thinking about the beach. Reed's in the lab thinking of equations. Ben's watching TV and thinking about steak and root beer. Johnnys playing video games, listening to tunes, and his thoughts are represented by a closed door with an "out to lunch" sign on the doorknob. 

Franklin is even more frustrated and starts picking up images of him duct taped to a bed. HERBIE tries to calm him down, but then Franklin gets an image of himself strapped to the outside of a rocket and being blasted towards the moon. Franklin continues concentrating until he can focus on himself (now being chained to a chair) and his captor: HERBIE! Franklin's upset but HERBIE reminds him that, as trying a child as Franklin is, HERBIE's prime directive is to protect him and he can't override his programming. Franklin then remembers that he wanted to read Katie's thoughts in the first place and dashes off to find her. 

--end-- 

Despite the appearance of Katie Power in an earlier book, we don't actually see her here. And this Katie is never given a last name, so it could theoretically be any girl named Katherine. There's not even a mention of how Franklin knows her, so it could well not be someone from his school. 

In any event, this whole story takes place without any appreciable breaks, probably over the course of a half hour, maybe an hour depending on how long it took Franklin to find the helmet in the first place. The only real placement clue we have is that the FF are all home, and relaxing comfortably -- presumably placing this outside the context of the Civil War storyline. Appearances by: Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, HERBIE, Franklin Richards 

Speed Demon 
Franklin is in Reed's lab, digging out his father's "speed enhancer." He explains to HERBIE that he "lost a race in gym class today -- to a girl" and he doesn't want the incident to be repeated. He tries the harness on and starts racing around his room a few times before darting out the door. 

We see Franklin racing across a highway, noting that he ran from New York to Wyoming in 3.6 seconds. He then runs past some cacti, over a lake/ocean, through a city (it looks vaguely oriental, but I don't see any direct clues as to WHAT city), across some grassy plains, and through an ice-covered valley. He notes that it's a "world tour" but whether or not that's an exaggeration is unclear. In any event, the speed enhancer goes on the fritz and he can't slow down. 

Franklin races back to the Baxter Building, running circles around HERBIE as he tries to explain his dilema. HERBIE notes that he's been gone "less than two minutes." HERBIE makes some calculations as Franklin continues to run in circles and is able to time the placement of a force field to capture him. Once captured, HERBIE removes the harness and Franklin decides he's so tired, he's going to bed early. 

"The Next Day..." A one-panel finale in which Katie runs across the finish line as Franklin sleeps on the track. The coach and another child look on, confused. 

--end-- 

Most of the story occurs fairly quickly. As HERBIE notes the time that Franklin's been running, the whole story, with the exception of the last panel, occurs over a five minute period or so, evidently sometime in the later afternoon/early evening of a school day. The last panel occurs on what's obviously the middle of a school day. The Katie that appears may or may not be the same one referenced in the previous story. It's to tell if this is indeed supposed to be Katie Powers -- I'm inclined to say it isn't since this girl has her hair braided and her ear appears to be pierced. "Day One" Appearances by: Franklin Richards, HERBIE. "Day Two" Appearances by: Franklin Richards, "Katie", an unnamed coach, an unnamed African-American child 

Ocean-Ape Escape! 
Franklin's in his bedroom reading Fantastic Four #1 and sees an ad for "Super Ocean-Apes" (a sea monkeys knock-off). He clips the coupon  for them as HERBIE warns him about the problem he had with his hamster (seen on the dresser behind them). 

"One week later" Franklin has recieved his Super Ocean-Apes and already has them in a fishbowl. HERBIE inadvertantly reminds Franklin of Reed's "accelerated growth powder" and Franklin's off to the lab! 

In the lab, Reed is running some tests on Squid Kid (from the Summer Super Spectacular). Franklin and HERBIE then race by with an ultra-enlarged brine shrimp chasing them. Reed's oblivious, but Squid Kid sees the danger and leaps out after them. 

The monster corners Franklin and HERBIE in the Hangar when Squid Kid grabs the giant shrimp from behind. There's a slight tussel, but when Squid Kid's and the shrimp's eyes meet, they fall in love and begin kissing each other. (I'm with HERBIE on this one -- totally did not see that coming!) 

"Later" Franklin and HERBIE wave good-bye to the happy couple as the Fantasticar flies them on autopilot out to the ocean. Franklin then turns to admire the ad in another comic book for x-ray specs. 

--end-- 

The individual times shown are relatively short -- only a few minutes each -- but we have some obvious gaps in between scenes. Only the "one week later" notice gives any sense of how long any of those gaps really are but I think it's safe to assume that we're only talking about two days total. This story clearly occurs after the first story in the book, as there's a direct reference to that adventure, and after the Summer Super Spectacular as that story is also directly referenced. Appearances by: HERBIE, Franklin Richards, Mr. Fantastic, Squid Kid, an unnamed hamster, an unnamed oversized Ocean Super-Ape. 

Turky Trouble! 
Franklin is wandering around looking to tell Reed that Sue wants him in the kitchen. (He notes that Thanksgiving is tomorrow.) He wanders through a strange door and sees Reed sitting at a computer. When Reed turns around, though, we discover that it's really a giant turkey in an FF uniform. Franklin runs away in terror and bumps into HERBIE, who explains that it wasn't Franklin's father turned into a turkey but an alternate reality Reed who lives in a world populated by intelligent turkeys. The strange door was evidently just a dimensional gateway. 

As the two try to cross back into their reality, the doors slam shut and a siren starts gobbling. The Turkey Universe FF show up to deal with the intruder, and soon capture the two. Turkey Universe Reed finally kicks on his universal translator and offers to have Franklin be a part of their annual Thanksgiving feast tomorrow. 

"Soon" Franklin and HERBIE are isolated in force field chambers and they realize that they're to be part of the Thanksgiving meal itself. HERBIE is calm though as his calculations suggest that they'll be freed shortly. Cue Turkey Universe Franklin Richards and Turkey Universe HERBIE (called TURKIE) who enter, as Turkey Universe Franklin wants to play with a real live human. 616 Franklin and HERBIE make a quick escape with a "Later, birdbrains!" 

The next day, the FF are sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner and Franklin notes that he's thankful that he's not the main course. Ben brings out the cooked bird and Franklin starts to become nauseous. 

--end-- 

Placement is clearly noted as occuring the day before and the day of Thanksgiving. Appearances by: Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch II, Franklin Richards, HERBIE, Turkey Universe Mr. Fantastic, Turkey Universe Invisible Turky, Turkey Universe Thing, Turkey Universe Turkey Torch, Turkey Universe Franklin Richards, Turkey Universe T.U.R.K.I.E. 

A New Light 
This is the Guiding Light crossover that's already appeared in other books.

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 07:10 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Thanks for the analysis, Sean.  

Would you mind noting page/panel ranges for the scenes in each story so that I can break the stories into individual calendar entries on distinct days? 

Also, is this comic numbered (#1)? If not, should we just assign it a #1 so we can distinguish each story as 1, 1/2, 1/3, etc.?
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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 11:41 am    
By SKleefeld
Director

Abbreviated page/panel descriptions. You should be able to mesh this and my initial post to sort out details... 

Hamster Havoc 
pg. 1-- Kitchen. Reed, Sue, Franklin, HERBIE, hamster 
pg. 2 panel 1 - pg. 2 panel 4 -- Lab. Reed, Franklin, HERBIE, hamster, Mr Mayor (on vid) 
pg. 2 panel 5 - pg. 3 panel 2 -- Baxter Bldg roof. Franklin, HERBIE, hamster 
pg. 3 panel 3-5 -- Lab. Reed, HERBIE, Mr. Mayor (on vid) 
pg. 4 -- Baxter Bldg roof. Reed, Franklin, HERBIE, hamster 

Telepathy Terro 
pg. 1 -- Frank's room. HERBIE, Franklin 
pg. 2 -- Lab. HERBIE, Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 1-2 -- Kitchen. Franklin, Sue 
pg. 3 panel 3-4 -- Lab. Reed, Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 5-6 -- Living Room? Franklin, Ben 
pg. 3 panel 7-8 -- Johnny's Room? Franklin, Johnny 
pg. 3 panel 9 - pg. 4 -- Hallway. Franklin, HERBIE 
pg. 5 -- Frank's room. HERBIE, Franklin 

Speed Demon 
pg. 1- Lab. Franklin, HERBIE 
pg. 2 -- Frank's room. HERBIE, Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 1 -- Wyoming. Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 2 -- Desert. Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 3 -- Ocean/Lake. Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 4 -- Oriental City? Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 5 -- Grassy Plains. Franklin 
pg. 3 panel 6 -- Icey Valley. Franklin 
pg. 4 - pg. 5 panel 5 -- Frank's room. Franklin, HERBIE 
pg. 5 panel 6 -- School Track. Franklin, Katie, coach, kid 

Ocean-Ape Escape 
pg. 1 -- Frank's room. HERBIE, Franklin, hamster 
pg. 2 -- Frank's room, one week later. HERBIE, Franklin, Sea-Apes 
pg. 3 -- Lab. Reed, Squid Kid, Franklin, HERBIE, giant Sea-Ape 
pg. 4 - pg. 5 panel 4 -- Hangar. Franklin, HERBIE, Squid Kid, giant Sea-Ape 
pg. 5 panel 5-6 -- Baxter Bldg Roof. HERBIE, Franklin, Squid Kid, giant Sea-Ape 

Turkey Trouble 
pg. 1 panel 1-2 -- Lab. Franklin 
pg. 1 panel 3 - pg. 2 -- Turkey Universe Lab. Franklin, HERBIE, Turkey Universe Mr. Fantastic, Turkey Universe Turkey Torch, Turkey Universe Invisible Turkey, Turkey Universe Thing 
pg. 3 - pg 4 panel 4 -- Exterior Turkey Universe Baxter Bldg. HERBIE, Franklin, Turkey Universe Mr. Fantastic, Turkey Universe Turkey Torch, Turkey Universe Invisible Turkey (BTS), Turkey Universe Thing 
pg. 4 panel 5 - pg. 5 panel 4 -- Turkey Universe Lab. Franklin, HERBIE, TURKIE, Turkey Universe Franklin 
pg. 5 panel 5-6 -- Reed, Sue, Ben, Johnny, Franklin

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 11:46 am    
By SKleefeld
Director

Oh, and it IS labeled "#1"

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 08:46 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Much obliged, Sean. 

A question for folks out there: when placing Franklin stories in chronological order, do you think publication order is important, considering that we're dealing with a number of one-shots and not a series?
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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 08:51 pm    
By Somebody

One of the strips in HF (#4) is a direct sequel to a strip from Super Summer Spectacular (#3).

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 09:41 pm    
By jephyork
Director

I always consider publication order important. 

-Jeph!

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Thread 24

Posted: 12 Nov 2006 03:54 am    Post subject: Doc Samson vol 2 #1-5
By JLH

DOC SAMSON VOL 2 #1 [March 2006] 
Writer: Paul Di Fillipo 
Pencils: Fabrizio Fiorentino 
Inks: Jimmy Palmiotti 
"Doc Samson, the New Adventures: Adventure the First- Grievous Angel" 

Cast: 
DOC SAMSON/DR. LEONARD SAMSON 
FURY, COL. NICHOLAS "NICK" JOSEPH (possibly an LMD) 
DOCTOR STRANGE II/DR. STEPHEN STRANGE 
WONG (BTS. Samson asks where he is, Jack says he's away) 
PUNNETT, EGLANTINA "TINA" (first appearance. Doc Samson's 20 year old "goddaughter") 
HOLYOAK, JACK (first appearance. Doctor Strange's new protege) 
LIVING TOTEM II/WHISTLE PIG (first appearance. Also in two FBs) 

Other characters: 
a Skrull (takes over satellite, Samson has to help him deal with his nightmares of being a cow) 
Eando (Samson's helper bot. Next in issue 4/1) 
Wolf Punnett (Tina's father. Also in two FBs) 
Flora Punnett (Tina's mother. Also in two FBs) 
Cam Larson (former leader of band whose spirit remains on Earth. Also in FB and BTS in another FB) 
Officer Nighthorse (Cop. Also in FB) 
Sweet Grass (FB only. Whistle Pig's woman) 
Cold Winter (FB only. Shaman of Whistle Pig's Haida tribe. Next in issue 4/2 FB) 
Doctor Arick Schnellageister (leader of New Orgonon cult; next in issue 2) 
the Weed (evil space creature; next in issue 2) 


Summary: After helping SHIELD talk down a psychologically-disturbed Skrull in control of nuke-armed satellite, Doc Samson is sought out by his goddaughter, Tina, in helping to find her parents, old friends of his who've run afoul of the ghost of a rock n roll singer. He seeks Dr Strange's help, and is given his new protege, Jack Holyoak, in an effort to season the young man, whose eagerness and inexperience briefly causes Strange to become a frog. The trio journey to Joshua Tree National Monument. They learn from the cop in charge of the disappearance of the Punnetts about the legend of the Living Totem, who was a native named Whistle Pig, who was bound into a wooden totem pole by a jealous shaman. Seems after his several-year-long rampage, he was entombed by vigilantes not far from there, and is now freed. Jack summons up the ghost of the rocker, Cam, and he admits he tricked the Punnetts into freeing the Living Totem so they could be forced into finally releasing his spirit from the Earth! Living Totem attacks the humans for Cam, and adds them to the other captives. There, Samson convinces the Punnetts to free Cam from the bounding, but Living Totem doesn't want his only friend to leave and tries to stop it. Samson stops him by breaking up the totem pieces, and vows to help the creature called Whistlepig by curing his schizoid tendencies and reintegrating the personality. Tina and Jack get to join him in this, opting to stay on to aid in helping the Living Totem. Meanwhile, in Maine, a weird fellow feeds a dopey woman to a giant monster. 


Flashbacks: The first is a video email of Wolf and Flora to Tina. The second shows "three decades" ago, Wolf, Flora, and Cam during their band days. Cam died at age 26, they burned him in the Joshua Tree national park, and bound his spirit to the site. The third FB, covers Living Totem's origin as Whistle Pig, which took place "150 years ago". The fourth FB, has Wolf and Flora being told by Cam, who is BTS, to free Living Totem, immediately prior to their appearances in the main story, though after the video email. 

Continuity notes: Doc Samson mentions he helped Scott Summers through the denial stage of grief "recently". 

Images of the Hulk, Wolverine, Iron Man, and Thing appear on Doc Samson's monitor screens, but there's no indication of any events taking place. For all we know, they could be stock footage or screen savers! 

Jack Holyoak claims to have studied with Agatha Harkness, Hellstorm, Dr Druid, Magik, Scarlet Witch, Mephisto, and Morgana le Fey. He also met the Shade of Jim Morrison once. He summons the Sword of Surtur and accidentally turns Dr Strange into a frog, just like Loki did to Thor, as Samson points out. 

Goofs: There's not even a single mention of the fact there's already another Living Totem around, and is an alien. There's no connection made between the two whatsoever. 

Calendar notes: The story takes place over the course of about a day at most. Dr Strange went into a trance "three days ago". There's no real seasonal reference, since the story is either in the middle of the city or in the desert. 

Pages 1-3: Doc Samson, while helping deal with a Skrull's weird cow dreams for SHIELD, is contacted by his goddaughter, Tina. 
Pages 4-5: An hour and three minutes later, the Skrull is taken away safely by SHIELD, and Doc meets with Tina, who has arrived. She tells him about her parents' plight, and bad deeds involving magic. 
Page 4, panels 4-5: Wolf and Flora's video emails to Tina. 
Page 4, panel 6: Officer Nighthorse's image with an MP3 of his last phone conversation with Tina concerning her parents. 
Page 5, panel 2: FB to "three decades ago", Cam Larson's band performs, with Wolf & Flora. 
Page 5, panel 3-4: FB to a short time after, Band steals Cam's corpse, despite his family's wishes, and cremates him in the JT park. 
Page 5, panel 5: FB to a time around that, Wolf & Flora using magic to bind Cam's spirit to the remote desert area. 
Page 5, panel 6: FB to more recent times, an older looking Wolf and Flora summon up Cam's spirit. 
Pages 6-9: Samson and Tina go to Dr Strange's mansion, meet Jack Holyoak who name drops various magic beings he's worked with. He tries to wake up Strange, turns him into a frog, can't turn him back, Tina kisses him to restore him. Strange "divined" that Samson would be coming, but can't aid him, so he offers up his apprentice as magical assistance. 
Pages 10-16: Thanks to SHIELD owing him for the Skrull thing, Samson's Humvee is quickly flown to Joshua Tree Park. He and his companions meet Officer Nighthorse, get told about the Living Totem, meet Cam Larson's ghost, get told of his teaming up with Living Totem, then get attacked by said being. 
Page 12 panels 4-8, page 13 panels 1-2: FB to 150 years ago, up at the Haida tribe of British Columbia, Whistle Pig was going to marry Sweet Grass, but the village shaman, Cold Winter, wanted her, and tricked Whistle Pig into meeting him alone, where he drove his soul out and into a totem, which was animated by it. Living Totem killed Cold Winter, then went on a "several year" rampage". 
Page 13 panel 3: FB showing Living Totem being "entombed by certain vigilantes" after his rampage. None appear to be known characters, just random Native Americans. 
Page 14: panels 2 & 3: FB to recently, when Wolf and Flora were tricked by Cam into freeing Living Totem. 
Pages 17-21: Samson wakes up after the fight, captive along with his companions, the cop, and Tina's parents, who're talked into giving up their control of Cam's spirit. Living Totem wants his only friend to stay, and tries to fight, but Samson fights and breaks him apart. 
Page 22: Up in Rural Maine, at night, Schnellageister feeds a woman to the Weed. 
Page 23: "The Axis Mundi in Wood, Neon and Flesh" by Professor Dorsey Huffnail. A text piece with virtually nothing to do with anything. 


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DOC SAMSON VOL 2 #2 [April 2006] 
Writer: Paul Di Fillipo 
Pencils: Fabrizio Fiorentino 
Inks: Jimmy Palmiotti 
"Doc Samson, the New Adventures: Adventure the Second- The Orgone Invasion" 

Cast: 
DOC SAMSON/DR. LEONARD SAMSON 
PUNNETT, EGLANTINA "TINA" 
HOLYOAK, JACK 
LIVING TOTEM II/WHISTLE PIG 
ROCK/SAMUEL JOHN "ROCK" LAROQUETTE 
KHANATA 
SCORPION III/CARMILLA BLACK/THASANEE RAPPACCINI 

Other characters: 
Robot X ("once destroyed half of Cleveland". Previously appeared in AA 4) 
Doctor Arick Schnellageister 
the Weed (dies) 
Gamma Base operator (woman who answers the video phone) 
unnamed subordinate SHIELD agents (two male, one female) 


Summary: Doc Samson does some Jupiter-setting weight lifting. Tina tries to repair a being called Robot X in the Samson building's trophy room, but Jack uses magic and messes everything up, causing the robot to revive in human-hating form. Samson beats it down, then tries to contact his pal Sam Laroquette at the Gamma Base, only to learn Sam up and left, joining a cult. Learning more about the New Orgonon cult from Jack, Samson, Tina, Whistlepig, and Jack hop a plane to Maine where they visit the New Orgonon ranch in Maine. Everything seems fine with Sam, but the leader, Dr Arick Schnellageister, quickly reveals his evil ulterior motives, taking control of Samson's mind at dinner. Luckily, before he can kill Jack and Tina, Whistlepig rushes in and saves them. They then head to the old barn at the center of town, where they find what Living Totem had been sensing for a while, a plant creature known as the Weed has been feeding on the harnessed Orgone Energy, which, when someone ingests a portion of the beast, becomes telepathically controllable. Jack, Tina, and Whistlepig escape, get some chemicals from a local farm, and return to use it on the Weed (the zombie slaves of the cult members generally useless). Living Totem uses the nearby Cloud Buster cannon on the Weed, and finishes it off, freeing the zombies. Schnellageister is dismayed that his beloved beast is destroyed, and Samson takes him into custody, thanking his companions for proving friendship is their own energy. Or something. Meanwhile, SHIELD agent Khanata hopes Doc Samson makes housecalls to deal with Scorpion, currently in custody. 

Continuity notes: Wolverine (out of costume), Punisher, and Hulk appear as images on Samson's video screens, again with no indication of it being live stuff. 

Goofs: The validity of Robot X's Astonishing Adventures vol 1 appearance might be in question now that he's made a modern MU appearance. 

Calendar notes: Though nothing is clearly stated, there's obvious signs that a good deal of time has passed since the first issue. Living Totem is back in one piece, his mental problems apparently cured. Tina mentions getting Robot X running to pick up some of his slack, implying he's been there for a while now, also. 

The story takes place over the course of maybe a day... two at most. 

Pages 1-9: Daytime, Samson lifts weights, Tina and Jack revive Robot X, Samson defeats it. He contacts Gamma Base, learns Sam Laroquette is gone. Mention is made Sam told Samson "earlier" that "he'd be at the base all week". Learns he left for New Orgonon, Jack shows him what Sam is doing that moment, Samson recounts history of Orgone Energy. 
Pages 10-22: What could be the next day, but possibly the same day if Doc can get tickets quickly and the first scene took place all early in the morning, Samson and friends come to New Orgonon in Rangley, Maine. Green trees, nothing seasonal about the location that is shown (everyone wears long sleeves... it IS Maine, after all). Night soon falls, and the story ends before night is through. 
Page 23: Possibly the dawn of the night we just saw, the SHIELD Helicarrier over the Atlantic has Scorpion III captive, as Agent Khanata plans to call up Doc Samson for help. 
Page 24: "A Brief History of Modern Cults" by Professor Dorsey Huffnail. A text piece with something related to the story, but ultimately pointless. 

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DOC SAMSON VOL 2 #3 [May 2006] 
Writer: Jay Faerber 
Pencils: Homs 
Inks: Jimmy Palmiotti 
"Adventure the Third: Matters of Trust" 

Cast: 
DOC SAMSON/DR. LEONARD SAMSON 
KHANATA 
SCORPION III/CARMILLA BLACK/THASANEE RAPPACCINI (also in FB) 
NAGAYOSHI, NORIKO (also in FB) 

Other characters: 
Lewis (crooked SHIELD agent. Also in FB) 
Branson (crooked SHIELD agent. Also in FB) 
Eisley (crooked SHIELD agent. Also in FB) 
Doctor Fielding (BTS only) 

Summary: Doc Samson has come to a SHIELD Helicarrier to get to the truth Scorpion is keeping quiet about, at the request of Special Agent Khanata, who believes her to be innocent in the charge of shooting Agent Nagayoshi when caught copying top secret documents, despite the evidence against her. After a brief therapy/debriefing session, Samson learns whatever she's hiding has something to do with the shot and currently comatose agent Nagayoshi. When given news about his condition, that he's come out of the coma, Samson lies to Scorpion, claiming he died, knowing it'll set her off. She breaks free, and Samson takes a fall to let her get away, both he and Khanata hoping she'll lead them to something that'll shed light on her secrets. They follow her as she heads to the tech directorate, then the hangar bay. Seems the three other agents who supposedly "caught her and got eat up for it", are fleeing and she's following. During this, the truth comes out, that they were the true crooks, trying to sell SHIELD tech on the black market. Nagayoshi pretended to go along with them, and tipping Scorpion off so she could take all four of them down as such not to let him get fingered as a rat. But he got shot by one of the crooks by accident, which is confirmed by one of them. Samson follows as one tries to escape in one of the flying cars, and the day is saved, the bad guys are drug off in handcuffs, and Scorpion is happy to learn Nagayoshi isn't dead after all. 

Flashback: To Scorpion III prior to her appearance last issue, beating up some tech directorate SHIELD agents (named Lewis, Branson, and Eisley). She also reportedly shoots Agent Nagayoshi, before security detail arrives. The validity of her shooting Nagayoshi is proven to be incorrect, but this still covers. Page 16 panel 6 shows what really happened when Nagayoshi was shot (Eisley was shooting as Scorpion and missed), thus replacing Page 3, panel 1. 

Continuity notes: Nagayoshi has been assigned to Scorpion a "few times now". 

Khanata mentions keeping his "superiors" from getting their wish and having Scorpion fully charged with the crime. Whoever they are remains to be seen, so I doubt this counts as a BTS for anyone. 

Goofs: Eisley is shown wearing his SHIELD uniform in the Page 16 panel 6 true flashback, but as shown in the previous version's numerous other non-lie panels, he was in civilian clothes, just as his partners were. 

Calendar notes: Takes place over the course of one night. Full moon. 

Pages 1-3: FB to when Scorpion attacked three agents, and Nagayoshi was shot. Page 16 panel 6 replaces Page 3 panel 1, which had Scorpion shooting when she never did. 
Pages 4-21: Samson comes to SHIELD Helicarrier, talks to Khanata a lot, talks to Scorpion a bit, sets her off so she'll lead them to the truth, aids in fighting three crooked agents, Nagayoshi comes out of coma. All in one night. Such excitement! 


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DOC SAMSON VOL 2 #4 [June 2006] 
Writer: Paul Di Filippo 
Artist: Fabrizio Fiorentino 
"The Adventures of Doc Samson: Adventure the Fourth- The Endless Nightmare of Leonard Samson, Part I" 

Cast: 
DOC SAMSON/DR. LEONARD SAMSON 
PUNNETT, EGLANTINA "TINA" 
HOLYOAK, JACK 
LIVING TOTEM II/WHISTLE PIG 
NIGHTMARE/"EDVARD HABERDASH" 

Other characters: 
Dr Leonard Samson of Earth 617 
Hulk/Bruce Banner of Earth 617 
Spider-Man and J Jonah Jameson of Earth 617 
Professor X, Cyclops, Colossus, Storm, Beast, and Wolverine of Earth 617 
Daredevil of Earth 617 
Human Torch, Reed Richards, Sue Richards, and Thing of Earth 617 
Dr Doom of Earth 617 
Dr Strange and Scarlet Witch of Earth 617 
Captain America of Earth 617 
Moon Knight of Earth 617 
Eando (Samson's helper bot. Gets destroyed. Last in issue 1) 
Energumen (little demon guy who works for Nightmare) 

Summary: Doc and his three companions head to Vegas to attend the 2006 Consumer Electronics Show. Over on Earth 617, that world's Doc Samson, who doesn't have green hair and is seemingly at an earlier place in his career, uses a device on Bruce Banner to access the Symbol-Space where he collective unconscious of everyone resides (or so says Jung). While they're both there, Bruce's Hulk side comes out and goes nuts at ghostly images of his father (?), General Ross, and Betty. During this rage, he breaks the barrier between dimensions and ends up in Nightmare's realm. Seems this is Nightmare for Earth 616, as 617 seems to not have its own! Nightmare defeats Hulk and accessing Samson's mind, discovers all about this new universe. He uses this new backdoor to another plane to unleash his doglike demon servants, with Samson his unwitting companion, forced to watch as this world's version of 616's heroes are killed, tortured, and just plain overwhelmed (seems 617 is full of wussies). Nightmare has an Energumen enter 617 Samson's body to force him to cross over to 616, merge minds with his counterpart, and open the breach between dimensions on that side. As Doc hangs out with his pals in Vegas, Samson 617 has arrived at our Doc's HQ tower place, only to find he's gone. Back at Vegas, more banter between Tina and Jack, with Whistlepig for good measure. 617 Samson gets there with just a car and within the same day, and still forced by the demon hiding out inside him, traps Tina in a deadly virtual reality game demo, then alters a slot machine which traps Jack and Living Totem within! 


Continuity notes: Earth 617 appears virtually no different from Earth 616, though unless it starts out years ago, this also means it's set behind in time, given several X-Men members' uniforms. 

Goofs: Nightmare looks like a cross between the Spectre and a drooling loon. Nothing like he's ever looked like before. 

Samson 617 arrives on our Earth after our Doc has arrived in Vegas. Samson 617 then commandeers a vehicle to make the drive to "thousands of miles away". Here's the kicker, he arrives at what is said to be "earlier that morning". Only problem? There is no change of time in the story! Jack and Tina are wearing the same clothes in all the scenes (not a "costume" as with Doc's to use that excuse). There's no even HINT of them being at the Expo for more than the afternoon! 

Even stranger is how Samson 617 knows all about 616's companions, even how to defeat them, despite lacking his own counterparts of them. 

617 Samson is drawn to be just as muscled at 616, despite having had no Gamma exposure! 

Funny how none of Doc's companions recognized 617 (who wasn't using a spell to disguise himself) as being Samson. 

Calendar notes: There's no comment made whatsoever about how much time passes during the Earth 617 scenes. It's clearly a long while, but since it's an alternate Earth, it doesn't matter that much. And Nightmare could've commuted between them for any appearance needs. For all we know, Earth 617 runs at a different speed than ours, and all the scenes take place in one day 616 time! As for the regular universe, this story covers part of a day at most. Since it's the "2006 Consumer Electronics Show", the date is topical. I assume there's like a season for shows like that, maybe, so perhaps there's some help in that area. 

Page 1: That morning, Jack, Tina, and Whistlepig get into the limo as they prepare to head to the airport to go to Vegas. Doc sits around reminiscing about when he was younger while looking at a picture of the "Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association". 
Pages 2-8: Earth 617. We're supposed to think maybe this is a flashback to his "younger days", given how this Samson lacks the green hair, but no. 617 Samson uses a machine to try to cure Bruce Banner, his Hulk persona breaches dimensions, Nightmare is unleashed. Amount of time is not explained, but it could be up to a few months. Nightmare sends Samson to our Earth to make his conquest of it easier. 
Pages 9-16: At the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas, Tina enjoys the technology, Jack is bored. By 6 that night, the group breaks up and goes off to eat. Samson 617 arrives at New York, feels his Doppelganger is miles away, destroys Eando then heads over to Vegas, and sets up traps for his companions, doing so by 10 that night. 


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Story 2: 
Writer: Zeb Wells 
Art: Frank Espinosa 
"The Living Totem in: A Cold Winter Comin'" 

Cast: 
LIVING TOTEM II/WHISTLE PIG 
HOLYOAK, JACK 
PUNNETT, EGLANTINA "TINA" 

Other characters: 
Cold Winter (last in this issue's FB, and before that he was last in issue 1's FB.) 
Westchester Collector's Society (three odd women. in FB and BTS in main story) 


Summary: Living Totem gets a Kachina Doll in the mail from an unknown sender. Unbeknownst to him, it was sent by Cold Winter, the shaman responsible for his plight, whose spirit is now in the action figure-sized doll. Now within Doc Samson's HQ, Cold Winter enacts small revenge plots on Whistlepig, replacing his wood varnish with paint thinner, turning the stove on when he's standing too close to it, and leaving a power saw in his bed still running. Soon enough, Cold Winter gets a blade and begins to stab the Living Totem as he sleeps at night. Of course, this doesn't harm him at all since he's so small. Whistlepig recognizes his voice, and is stunned to learn that the shaman survived thanks to his spirit becoming bonded to him and following along until he found a Kachina for a body. He's spent years tracking him, and sent himself in the mail to face him! Turns out all his actions were part of a spell to take over his body (deface his paint, burn him, cut him with steel, then smite his brow with a dagger). Jack hears the commotion and enters, and while trying to put a containment spell on Cold Winter, incinerates his doll form instead! The spell broken, Whistlepig thanks him. The next day, Jack gets rid of all of his knickknacks just to be safe. A smart move on his part, as Cold Winter has taken over a Wolverine doll/clock, and isn't able to try for revenge again, especially afraid now that he's being sent back to the Westchester Collector's Society. 


Flashbacks: Whistlepig visits the Pueblo Zuni tribe in an effort to see if one of their Medicine Men can restore him to human form. During that time, Cold Winter's spirit, who had been "bound to him" took over one of the Kachinas. He spends time wandering in search of Living Totem, eventually fighting a dog, and then ending up in the hands of the Westchester Collector's Society, mistaken for a Beanie Baby. For Whistlepig, this takes place between panels in his earliest FB in issue 1, of course. 

Goofs: This story is better than all of the previous issues even if they were combined and rewritten by someone with actual talent. That should not be right! (then again, a 5 issue mini shouldn't feature six self-contained tales without a hint of an overarc, one of which is a fill-in issue and two have back-ups to stretch a one issue story to two, for a total of three completely different creative teams). 

Calendar notes: It's possible Cold Winter's attacks on page 19 (panel 1, panels 2&3, and panel 4) could each be on different days, but I see no reason to say they were. Anyway, this story could take place between issues 1 & 2, between issues 3 & 4, or after issue 5/1. 

Pages 17-23: Whistlepig is sent a Kachina Doll, which he adds to Jack's knickknack collection. It turns out to be alive, and proceeds to attack him in secret, before finally making his presence known and trying to take over Living Totem's body that night, only to have Jack stop him. 
Page 21 panel 2 & 3: FB showing Whistlepig getting turned into Living Totem, and his killing Cold Winter. Both of which we've seen before, with no new info. 
Page 22: FB shows Cold Winter's spirit following the Living Totem. Then, at the Pueblo Zuni tribe, finding a Kachina doll and taking it over and following Whistlepig when he leaves. We skip in time to show Cold Winter facing a dog some time later, then more recently, the Westchester Collector's Society Beanie Baby-loving trio's screening process. 
Page 24: "The Next Day". Jack gets rid of his knickknacks, despite Whistlepig's belief that his enemy couldn't have pulled the same trick again. Cold Winter, now in a Wolverine doll/clock, is shipped back to the Westchester Collector's Society, much to his horror. 


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DOC SAMSON VOL 2 #5 [July 2006] 
Writer: Paul Di Filippo 
Artist: Fabrizio Fiorentino 
"The Adventures of Doc Samson: Adventure the Fourth- The Endless Nightmare of Leonard Samson, Part 2" 

Cast: 
DOC SAMSON/DR. LEONARD SAMSON 
PUNNETT, EGLANTINA "TINA" 
HOLYOAK, JACK 
LIVING TOTEM II/WHISTLE PIG 
NIGHTMARE/"EDVARD HABERDASH" 


Other characters: 
Energumen (demon lackey of Nightmare) 


Summary: Doc Samson wins big at one of the Blackjack tables using a new algorithm he devised in his head, going on a two hour streak with plans to use the winnings to establish a new wing at Mount Sinai hospital. Samson 617, disguised by Energumen's glamour spell, makes our Doc think he works for the IRS and tricks him into taking him to his room to talk about taxes on his winnings. Meanwhile, Tina escapes the deadly VR game by impaling herself on her own sword. She asks around for Living Totem and Jack's location, finds the empty slot machines, spots their faces in one, a device of her's detects teleportation radiation, and uses another device to recohere them. Upstairs, Samson 617 makes his true image known, and proceeds to tell his counterpart an altered version of events concerning Nightmare's taking over of his realm. 617 claims he used his subconscious-tapping device to escape, a device 616 once planned to make himself, after Nightmare invaded his world through "unknown" means. Anyway, he tricks 616 Doc into putting on the device, where, on the Symbol-Space realm, believed he'd be shown the anomaly that let him through to his dimension. Instead, by going there, it instead allows Nightmare's forces to pour through. Elsewhere, Jack uses his magic to track down the cause of his, Tina, and Whistlepig's misfortunes, and arrive just as Nightmare's dog creatures are coming out of a portal in Doc's hotel room. In Symbol-Space, Samson 617 takes on a Hulk-like form and beats on 616 Doc, hating him for being more famous and heroic, and blabbing about his plans to be the only Leonard Samson in all continua. But images of his parents appear within the subconscious space, and remind him how proud they are of him both, and 617 fights off Energumen's control. Nightmare shows up, takes down 617, and allows Energumen to take over 616 Doc. But 617 Samson stops him with his last gesture, giving 616 a chance to kick the demon back into the rift, and close the tear in the dimensional fabric, knocking Nightmare back into it as he does. Back in the real world, Living Totem, Jack, and Tina finish off the demon dogs as the portal closes. Our Doc wakes up, and explains the corpse of his "puny" double as a reminder that no one is perfect. 


Continuity notes: 616 Samson mentions he once considered inventing the subconscious-tapping device when he was first trying to cure Bruce Banner, but abandoned it in favor of the Gamma Ray-absorber. 

Is this the first time we've ever seen Leonard's parents? 

Goofs: Samson 617 didn't do a good enough job of endangering Tina if she can kill herself and escape, eh? 

Jack claiming 617 Doc is "puny" is downright hilarious given the artwork. At best, he looks "skinner" at times, but never puny. 

Calendar notes: Takes place over maybe an hour or two, continuing from the night the previous issue ended on (a waitress mentions to a just-escaped Tina she last saw Jack & Whistle a "few minutes ago"). 

Page 1, panel 1: Earth 617, it's raining and some demon dogs are standing about the buildings of Nightmare's controlled world. 
Pages 1 panel 2 through page 16: Don't make me go over this again. Please. 


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Story 2: 
Writer: Zeb Wells 
Art: Frank Espinosa 
"The Living Totem in: Nightmare Hour" 

Cast: 
LIVING TOTEM II/WHISTLE PIG 
DOC SAMSON/DR. LEONARD SAMSON 
NIGHTMARE/"EDVARD HABERDASH" (also in FB) 


Other characters: 
Sadie Johnson (also in FB) 
Her mother and father 


Summary: A little girl named Sadie is brought to Doc Samson to help deal with her nightmares. Living Totem manages to undermine the Doc's claims of there being no such thing as monsters in the real world by popping up and scaring her at an inopportune moment. Scared even more, her parents scold Samson for it and promise a lawsuit. Whistlepig was only going to give her a Dream Catcher to help out. Samson complains about how people come to him for science and reason, not magic. Needless to say, Living Totem comes to her huge mansion of a house and places the Dream Catcher on her bed. As it turns out, she's having another nightmare, and it seems the guy she keeps seeing in it is none other than Nightmare himself! The Dream Catcher manages to pull him out to the real world, where Living Totem awaits and beats him to a pulp. The little girl laughs at Nightmare once he's through, causing him to lose his power and fade away. Realizing he still scares Sadie, Whistlepig departs, dejected. The next morning, Sadie and her parents show up at Doc Samson's place, as the girl wants to see the "Totem Man". The parents are happy that Sadie is sleeping soundly again, and Samson approves of Whistlepig playing with the girl, making a "Babe" reference for the second time this story by telling him it'll do. 

Flashbacks: Sadie recalls her dream from the previous night, which involved Nightmare stalking her. 

In dialogue, Living Totem mentions he once consulted the Medicine Men of the Ojibwa tribe of the Dakotas, who taught him about Dream Catchers. 

Goofs: This is the first time we've seen Samson do any therapy work on anyone since the beginning of issue 1. Who the hell approved this series again? 

Calendar notes: There's no indication of when this story takes place. Nightmare is back bothering an Earth 616 child's dreams, no mention of his domination of 617. I'd probably place it after 5/1, but sky's the limit! 

Pages 17-23: Nightmare victim Sadie Johnson seeks therapy from Doc Samson. Living Totem scares her away from his office, much to the anger of her parents. That night, Whistlepig sneaks in, gives her a Dream Catcher, and pulls Nightmare out of her dreams, where he beats him up and drives him away. 
Page 17 panels 2 & 4: Sadie in her previous nightmare, including Nightmare himself. 
Page 24: The next morning, the cured Sadie comes back to Doc's building to play with Whistlepig, which pleases Samson and her parents. 
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Posted: 12 Nov 2006 09:40 am  
By Somebody

JLH wrote: 
>>>
SCORPION III/CARMILLA BLACK/THESANEE RAPPACCINI (also in FB)  
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Birth name is THASANEE RAPPACCINI

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Posted: 12 Nov 2006 11:41 pm    
By JLH

Somebody wrote: 
>>>
Birth name is THASANEE RAPPACCINI 
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Blame Col_Fury. I used his spelling from his SHIELD watch.

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Thread 25

Posted: 20 Jul 2006 09:15 pm    Post subject: Ultimate X-Men no.72/2
By Jason Doty

Ultimate X-Men no.72/2 
"Masked Marvel Guest Starring Spider-Man!" by Karl Kesel and David Hahn (8 pages) 

One day 
Adam the Masked Marvel is possing for his artist friend Eddie because the two are collaborating on a comic. They are called by Marvel editor Nicole Boose who wants to know about the proposal is coming. She suggests that they get a good guest star for the second issue because launching a new hero is tough. The artist suggests Spider-Man but the Masked Marvel doesn't want him to be in the comic if they don't portray him correctly. The artists suggests going to ask him. 

At Avengers Tower, the Masked Marvel asks Jarvis for Spider-Man, but he is not in. Jarvis offers him a beverage while he waits, but when Jarvis leaves he decides to sneak around. He is confronted by Wolverine and defends himself. Wolverine says that he's impressed and they take a walk and talk about heroing. Just then Spider-Man swings in and saves them from a death ray. New York is being assaulted by giant insects and an alien ship. Masked Marvel says he'll handle the mothership while they handle ground forces.... 

The next day, Adam and Eddie have just finished telling the editor there proposal that stars Wolverine and Spider-Man, she loves it, but Marvel doesn't feel it is the right time, but green lights 2 eight page back ups and belives that the world has'nt seen the last of the Masked Marvel. (No, we don't see the battle, but it must have turned out o.k because Adam makes his meeting.) 

Continuity notes 
Avenger's Tower has Sentry's "thing a ma jig on top." 
Spider-Man is wearing his original costume. 
The first back up happened a while back.

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Posted: 20 Jul 2006 10:49 pm    
By JLH

Congrats, you made me think I'd gone all Sentry and lost my mind for a second there, with the title implying an Ultimate universe chronology thing and the analysis mentioning Stark Tower...

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 05:53 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Jason, thanks for the analysis. One question: where is the break between days? 

BTW, the "thing a ma jig" is known as the Watchtower spires.
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 06:03 am    
By Jason Doty

At the begining of the story, they recieve a phone call from the editor that their meeting is tommorrow. So, 

One day, U/XM 72/2 (1-7) 
The next day, U/XM 72/2 (8) 

Hope that helps.

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 10:34 am    
By jephyork
Director

Did this back-up strip appear anywhere else this week? If memory serves, the first one appeared in more than one comic... 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 02:39 pm    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Jason Doty wrote: 
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Just then Spider-Man swings in and saves them from a death ray. New York is being assaulted by giant insects and an alien ship. Masked Marvel says he'll handle the mothership while they handle ground forces.... 
<<<

That bit doesn't actually happen. It's a page from Adam and Eddie's comic. The obvious clue is that Spider-Man is talking about the alien invaders as his people, which matches the Marvel Universe comics continuity that Adam and Eddie were discussing a few pages earlier. More to the point, the whole page is coloured with visible dots, to make it look more "comic booky" - although the effect isn't as obvious as it was probably intended to be. 

Spider-Man doesn't really appear in the story at all.
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Posted: 21 Jul 2006 04:45 pm    
By Jason Doty

Good catch. I did'nt notice it on my first time through. It was rather faint. 

O.K, Paul that would make it 

Day 1 U/XM 72/2 (1-6) 
Day 2 U/XM 72/2 (7-8)

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Posted: 12 Sep 2006 09:20 am    
By jephyork
Director

This story also ran in the back of X-Men #189. X-Men #189 came out the week *after* Ultimate X-Men #72 -- should we still credit this story as U/XM #72/2? Or should we do a little "U/XM 72/2 = X 189/2" notation, like we suggested for the first Masked Marvel story, that was published in two books during the same week? 

X-Men #189 didn't have a "Masked Marvel back-up story!" blurb on the front cover, so I wonder a little bit if this story ran in any other books that we missed. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 12 Sep 2006 09:25 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

I'm pretty sure it only ran in those two titles.
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Posted: 12 Sep 2006 12:18 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Thanks. So, how would you recommend we list it? Just as U/XM 72/2, or the doubled listing? 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 12 Sep 2006 08:23 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director


OR, as just X 189/2, since it's the only canonical Earth-616 title of the two? Hmmm.
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Posted: 13 Sep 2006 09:26 am    
By jephyork
Director

Personally, since we've only got two Masked Marvel stories, and they only appeared in two comics each, I'd be happy doing the "=" notation for both of them. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 14 Nov 2006 10:34 am    
By Somebody

Marvel have obviously given up on this, since they're throwing it into the Franklin Richards digest for... some reason. However, they're listing it as "  plus MASKED MARVEL #1-2." 

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Posted: 14 Nov 2006 10:42 am    
By Paul O'Brien
Director

Quesada confirmed a few weeks back that the project has been abandoned.
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Thread 26

Posted: 11 Nov 2006 02:44 pm    Post subject: Chronology Review for Daredevil vol. 2 #82-87
By Kevin W.
Director

I am SO SORRY this is late, but here it is nonetheless... 

Daredevil vol. 2 #82-87 
The Devil in Cell Block D 
Written by Ed Brubaker 
Drawn by Michael Lark 

This story arc picks up right where the last story arc ended, with Matt Murdock in jail, as are Melvin Potter, (Gladiator), the Owl, Hammerhead, and the Kingpin. Its a pretty simple story for chronology purposes. 

Daredevil vol. 2 #82 
The Devil in Cell Block D Pt. 1 
Written by Ed Brubaker 
Drawn by Michael Lark 

Appearances: 

Daredevil/Matt Murdock 
Iron Fist/Daniel Rand, (hes dressed as Daredevil for most of this story arc). 
The Director of the F.B.I., (whom the story still hasnt given a name). 
Warden Cole, (the Warden of Rykers Prison, no first name given). 
Foggy Nelson 
Ben Urich 
Becky Blake 
Dakota North 
Kingpin/Wilson Fisk 
Black Tarantula II/Carlos Lamuerto 
Hammerhead II 

Synopsis: 

Pgs. 1-5: A rainy night in Hells Kitchen. Daniel Rand, dressed up as Daredevil, stops a late night robbery and beats up a bunch of thugs. A couple of kids photograph Daredevil jumping across a rooftop. 

Pgs. 6-14: The next evening. A prison guard hands Matt Murdock a copy of todays Daily Bugle newspaper, which has the headline, Murdock behind bars, Daredevil still free? along with a photograph of Daredevil jumping through the rain. 

Meanwhile, at Murdocks law office, Foggy and Ben Urich have a heated conversation about how best to help Matt. Ben shows Foggy a copy of the newspaper and Foggy denies any involvement with this new Daredevil. Ben leaves, and Foggy sees the new Daredevil outside of his window. Foggy goes up to the roof and tells this new Daredevil to not come around here, and Foggy says he doesnt care who the guy behind the mask is, he doesnt want anything to do with him. 

Pgs. 15-34: The next day. The Director of the F.B.I. gives Warden Cole authorization papers to have Murdock put in with the general population of the prison, (before now, Murdocks been in the Protected Custody wing). Back at their law office, Foggy wakes up to find Becky Blake, (an old member of the supporting cast from Frank Millers run on the book) and Dakota North, (an old Marvel Universe Private Investigator) at the law office. Dakota says that shes just received word that theyre moving Matt to general population, and they decide they have to visit Matt in prison today. 

Meanwhile at prison, Matt is having his bandages removed in the medical ward, (from his injuries sustained in the last story arc) and he meets up with Carlos Lamuerto, (Black Tarantula II) who offers Matt the chance to side with him in prison hierarchy. Matt denies being Daredevil again, but it taken by a prison guard to a corridor where Hammerhead and his gang are waiting. They knock out the guard and the convicts attack Matt, but Matt defeats them easily enough. When prison guards arrive, Matt claims he stumbled into the middle of a gang fight, but the guards throw him in solitary confinement anyway, (for beating up all of the other prisoners). 

Later on, Foggy and Dakota arrive and speak with Matt, and try and reassure Matt theyll figure out something. But when Foggy and Dakota leave, and Matt is escorted back to his cell, Foggy is led by a corrupt prison guard into a corridor where they are attacked by some thugs. Foggy is stabbed in the chest, and Matt, (with his enhanced hearing) hears it all from his cell, and can do nothingKingpin is also shown in a prison cell in this last sequence, laughing at Matt. 

References: 

Pgs. 1-5: As mentioned above, its raining outside on this night in NYC, in this opening sequence featuring the new Daredevil. 

Pgs. 10-14: Its also raining the next night, as Foggy goes up on the roof to talk to the new Daredevil. 

Pg. 7: Matt narrates, One month and one day. 32 days in Rykers, so farwith who knows how many more to come. So its been a month and one day since the end of the last story arc, (when Matt was thrown in Rykers prison). 

20p1: FB-This is a one panel flashback to yesterday, (the day of pgs. 6-14) showing the Kingpin killing members of Lamuertos gang in the prison shower. 

Daredevil vol. 2 #83 
The Devil in Cell Block D Pt. 2 
Written by Ed Brubaker 
Drawn by Michael Lark with Stefano Gaudiano 

Appearances: 

Daredevil/Matt Murdock 
Ben Urich 
Iron Fist/Daniel Rand, (hes dressed as Daredevil for most of this story arc). 
The Director of the F.B.I., (whom the story still hasnt given a name). 
Warden Cole, (the Warden of Rykers Prison, no first name given). 
Becky Blake 
Dakota North 
Kingpin/Wilson Fisk 
Luke Cage 
Jessica Jones 
Milla Donovan 
Rosalind Sharpe 
Morgan, (is it his last name or his first name? He has a listing in the MCP) 
J. Jonah Jameson 

Synopsis: 

Pgs. 1-13: This is a few days later after the end of last issue. Matt Murdock has been temporarily released from jail, (with armed guards) to attend Foggys funeral. In attendance is Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Danny Rand, Ben Urich, Becky Blake, Dakota North, Milla Donovan, and Rosalind Sharp, (who slaps Matt across the face, blaming Matt for her son Foggys death). 

Matt is escorted back to prison where he runs into Morgan, (the convicted crime lord of Harlem from the pages of Captain America and the Falcon years ago), who asks Matt to join his side in the prison hierarchy, and offers to help Matt find Foggys killer. Matt refuses. As Morgan leaves, he also taunts Wilson Fisk in his cell, (both Fisk and Matt are in solitary confinement). 

Meanwhile, Warden Cole is again on the phone with the Head of the F.B.I., complaining that one of his prison guards has gone missing, (the one who led Foggy and Dakota into a trap). 

And later on, back at the Daily Bugle, J. Jonah Jameson tells Ben Urich to go cover Matts appeal in court tomorrow, (the Feds are asking Matt be taken out of solitary confinement and placed with regular prisoners. They claim Matt can take care of himself). 

Pgs. 14-23: The Next Day. In court, Becky Blake argues that Matt is blind and in danger, and should remain in solitary confinement, but the judge sides with the Feds. Later on that day, back in Rykers, Matt is in his cell when in walks Leland Owlsley, the Owl, who wants to taunt Matt. But Matt, (no longer seemingly caring about his identity) attacks the Owl, breaking his arms and legs. Meanwhile, in the outside world, the new Daredevil, (Danny Rand) busts up a drug deal, only to find the dead body of a prison guard, (the guard who led Foggy and Dakota into a trap last issue). 

Later on that evening, Ben Urich approaches Dakota North in a bar, and asks her to team up with him to find out who this new Daredevil is 

References: 

Pg.23: Ben Urich tells Dakota North, The guard who set you and Foggy up last week was just found, victim of a gang-style execution. 

So the stabbing of Foggy from last issue occurred last week. 

I should also point out that Foggy Nelson doesnt actually appear in this issue as his body isnt inside of that coffin at the funeral 

Daredevil vol. 2 #84 
The Devil in Cell Block D Pt. 3 
Written by Ed Brubaker 
Drawn by Michael Lark with Stefano Gaudiano 

Appearances: 

Daredevil/Matt Murdock 
The Director of the F.B.I., (whom the story still hasnt given a name). 
Warden Cole, (the Warden of Rykers Prison, no first name given). 
Ben Urich 
Dakota North 
Kingpin/Wilson Fisk 
Hammerhead II 
J. Jonah Jameson 
Bullseye II/Benjamin Poindexter 
Kat Ferrell 
The Punisher/Frank Castle 

New Characters: 

Ivan Murphy 
Turk 
Senator David Engel 

Synopsis: Pgs. 1-16: Its perhaps a few days later after the end of last issue. Matt Murdock has been back amongst the general population of the prison for a short while now. 

Bullseye arrives at prison and is placed into a cell. All of the guards and other prisoners fear him. Matt later on that day confronts the prison guard who led him into an ambush back in Issue #82, and then sneaks out of his cell and goes and beats up Hammerhead. All in an effort to get to the bottom of who is responsible for killing Foggy Nelson. 

Meanwhile, at the Daily Bugle, Ben Urich and J. Jonah Jameson argue about the latest headline for the Daily Bugle, which accuses Matt of starting riots at Rykers. Ben leaves JJJs office and says hi to Kat Ferrell, (last seen in the pages of The Pulse, I believe). He then gets a phone call from Dakota North, about a possible lead on this new Daredevil figure. They get together and go talk to an Ivan Murphy, an old drunk who managed to get some photos of the new Daredevil. Ivan says he got the photos from a lawyer named Alton Lennox. Ivan leaves, and Ben tells Dakota theyre walking into a conspiracy: he says he just remembered that Ivan Murphy is a retired Kingpin hitman. 

Pgs. 17-22: The Next Day: Matt is called into the Wardens office again, and the Warden asks Matt to stop attacking the other prisoners, especially since things are going to start getting worse: the Kingpin is released from solitary confinement and is now back among the general population with Murdock. Kingpin tells his cellmate Turk to deliver a message to Matt Murdock. 

Meanwhile, at an expensive restaurant somewhere, Senator David Engel, (not sure what state hes supposed to represent, but it could be New YorkIm curious as to how many New York Senators there have been depicted in Marvel comics), is having dinner with the Director of the F.B.I. He warns the Director not to get too zealous with Matt Murdock, and says that to the people of NYC, Daredevil is a hero. 

Meanwhile, at a diner in NYC, the Punisher is sitting down and reading a newspaper which details how Murdock is responsible for a Rampage at Rykers. He decides he wants to see this in person, and he steps outside and kills a pimp in front of a police officer. The police officer has him arrested, (which is what Frank wants) 

References: 

Pg. 3: One of the prison guards tells Bullseye, If at any time you attempt to cause trouble, or try to escape this cellvents will open in the ceiling, filling the room with gas, and when we are sufficiently sure you are unconsciousI and several of my colleaguesa few of who watched you slaughter their friends during your last escapethese men and I will enter this room and fire bullets into your head until we are 100 percent sure that you are dead. 

Im not sure what escape they are referring to, but I dont believe it to be an event shown in a comic book. Bullseye was last shown in the last story arc, in Daredevil #79, in which he was hit by a busI guess hes sufficiently recovered by this point to enter a regular prison. 

4p4-4p5: FB-There is a brief flashback on this page showing an event that occurred before Bullseye arrived at the prison, (probably between Issues #83 and 84). The Flashback depicts Matt Murdock beating up more inmates who tried to attack him. 

Pg. 6: Ben Urich is holding up the headline of the Daily Bugle, which reads, Violence rips through Rykers. Is Murdock responsible? In smaller print above that is the headlines, Feds to Investigate Bogart. And Readers Poll: New Avengers Least Popular Team Yet! Whether that smaller headline about the New Avengers is to be believed as real, Im unsure 

Pg. 21: Punisher is reading a newspaper with the headline, Rampage at Rykers. Is Murdock a madman? Thats a different headline than the one from pg. 6. Apparently J. Jonah Jameson is reporting daily on the reports of violence at Rykers 

Daredevil vol. 2 #85 
The Devil in Cell Block D Pt. 4 
Written by Ed Brubaker 
Drawn by Michael Lark with Stefano Gaudiano 

Appearances: 

Daredevil/Matt Murdock 
Ben Urich 
J. Jonah Jameson 
Iron Fist/Daniel Rand 
Becky Blake-BTS 
Dakota North 
Kingpin/Wilson Fisk 
Morgan 
Black Tarantula II/Carlos Lamuerto 
Hammerhead II 
Punisher/Frank Castle 
Turk 

Synopsis: 

Pgs. 1-15: This is the day after the end of last issue. Someone has killed the convict who stabbed Foggy Nelson. Matt Murdock thinks its the Kingpin who did it. Later on that day, Turk delivers a message to Matt: The Kingpin wants to meet Matt in the courtyard tomorrow. Black Tarantula II offers to give Matt a shiv to stab the Kingpin, but Matt declines. While they talk, the Punisher is meanwhile being escorted into prison. 

Meanwhile, J. Jonah Jameson and Ben Urich talk inside the Daily Bugle about the Daredevil case, with each accusing the other of bias. 

Back inside prison, Frank approaches Matt during the evening meal. Frank explains to Matt that hes heard that Matt has gone crazy in here and is nearly killing convicts. Frank says he allowed himself to be arrested just so he could see what it looked like when Matt turned into another version of the Punisher. 

Later on that evening, Dakota North is investigating this Alton Lennox character, but cant find him. She is being followed by Iron Fist, (dressed up as Daredevil). 

Pgs. 15-22: The Next Day. Matt goes out into the courtyard and meets up with Kingpin as arranged. Matt starts to feel the need to kill Fisk right here and now, but Fisk points out that they are being manipulated, (the other gang leaders in Rykers want the two of them to kill each other). The two eventually agree to team up. Matt goes and places a phone call to Becky Blake, asking her to investigate the convict who stabbed Foggy, to see if that convict had any outside connections. 

Later on that evening, Black Tarantula II, Morgan, and Hammerhead II are in a meeting. They had hoped that Matt and the Kingpin would kill one another, but they see thats not going to happen, so they order a corrupt prison guard to let the convicts into the prison armory tomorrow, to start a major riot, (in which they plan on killing both Matt and Fisk). 

References: 

Pg. 1: Matts narration notes that this is the morning after the Kingpin returns from Gen-Pop. The Kingpin returning from solitary confinement to the regular part of prison occurred on pgs.17-22 of last issue, so that puts the opening scene of this issue as occurring the next day. 

Pg. 8: Ben Urich and J. Jonah Jameson are arguing: Ben says, Its pictures of Daredevil in action, and interviews of people hes saved. 

JJJ replies, Yeah, and its on page four because Ive got the Punishers mug shot on page one. I figured Id note this as it means Iron Fist, (disguised as Daredevil) was in action the prior night, and the Punisher is on the front page of the Daily Bugle on this date. 

Pg. 9: Continuing their conversation: JJJ says that Ben has a slanted viewpoint when it comes to news about Daredevil. Ben responds, Says the guy who slammed the Avengers for letting Spider-Man join. 

So this is clearly after the New Avengers went public in New Avengers #15. 

Pg. 21: Matt calls up Becky Blake on a prison payphone, and he talks to her, but we never see her on panel, and we dont see her words in a speech baloon. Alls we see is Matt saying, Becky, its me Matt. As Becky doesnt truly appear, she simply qualifies for a BTS listing for this issue. 

Daredevil vol. 2 #86 
The Devil in Cell Block D Pt. 5 
Written by Ed Brubaker 
Drawn by Michael Lark with Stefano Gaudiano 

Appearances: 

Daredevil/Matt Murdock 
Milla Donovan 
Warden Cole 
Becky Blake 
Kingpin/Wilson Fisk 
Morgan 
Black Tarantula II/Carlos Lamuerto 
Hammerhead II 
Punisher/Frank Castle 
Bullseye II/ Benjamin Poindexter 
Gladiator/Melvin Potter 
Turk 

Synopsis: The next day after the end of last issue. All events in this issue happen on the same day. 

Milla and Becky Blake come to visit Matt in the prison. Matts senses warn him that a prison riot is about to break out, and Matt begs Milla and Becky to leave. Before they go, Becky tells Matt that she has found out that the thug who killed Foggy was hired to do so by an Alton Lennox. This is the same mystery figure whom Ben Urich and Dakota North are investigating. 

Just as Milla and Becky leave the island, the riot erupts. Matt finds Warden Cole and stops him from being killed by prisoners. Matt then stops by and helps out Melvin Potter, who is also being attacked by thugs. He then heads off to fight alongside the Kingpin. The riot was started by Hammerhead, Morgan, and Lamuerto, all in an effort to kill Kingpin and Murdock. Turk, (under Kingpins orders) goes and frees Bullseye, who comes to the aid of Kingpin and Murdock. Matt and Fisk have decided to team up and break out of prison together. 

Bullseye apparently kills Morgan and Lamuerto, but Hammerhead escapes. When Matt realizes that Bullseye would be escaping with them, he has second thoughts, and attacks Bullseye. Bullseye accidently shoots Fisk, wounding him, and then Matt knocks out Bullseye. Matt leaves Fisk and Bullseye behind, and tracks down Frank Castle, whos sitting calmly in his cell. Matt asks Frank to help him get out of prison. 

References: None reallybut I will say that even though the writers intent would make it appear that Morgan and Black Tarantula II are dead, (they are lying in a pool of their own blood) a future writer could simply say they got medical attention in time, and are still alive. But for now, it would appear, (as shown here) that theyre dead. 

Daredevil vol. 2 #87 
The Devil in Cell Block D Pt. 6 
Written by Ed Brubaker 
Drawn by Michael Lark with Stefano Gaudiano 

Appearances: 

Daredevil/Matt Murdock 
Iron Fist/Danny Rand 
Dakota North 
Ben Urich 
Milla Donovan 
Warden Cole 
J. Jonah Jameson 
Joe Robbie Robertson 
Punisher/Frank Castle 
The Director of the F.B.I. 
Senator David Engel-BTS 
And finallyFoggy Nelson, (not so dead after all). 

Synopsis: Pgs. 1-21: The Same Day as last issue. The issue starts out with Danny Rand, (in the Daredevil costume) filing a report in his personal logs. He is suddenly confronted by Matt Murdock, in his own DD costume, (we learn in flashback that Matt escaped prison with Punisher pretending to use Matt as a hostage. They boarded a police helicopter and escaped Rykers). The two fight, with Matt thinking this imposter is working for Alton Lennox, when Matt suddenly realizes its Danny under the mask. 

They team up, (Danny puts back on his Iron Fist costume) and go to Alton Lennoxs office, (Danny says he was hired by Alton Lennox to play Daredevil, but he thought Lennox was a friend of Foggy Nelson, and thought that Foggy asked a favor of him). When they get there, the office is empty. They run into Ben and Dakota who are doing there own investigation into Lennox. But they find out that Lennox has fled the country for Europe. Matt eventually leaves the others and puts on a civilian clothes disguise, gets a fake passport, heads to the airport and hops on a plane for Spain. 

Meanwhile, the news has broke about the prison riot: The TV news is talking about how the Punisher escaped from prison, holding Matt as a hostage. J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, and Milla Donovan are all shown to be watching the news. Warden Cole appears on the news and proclaims that Matt Murdock is innocent. The Director of the FBI is also watching the news, and hes not happy at this turn of events 

Pgs. 22: The Next Day. Foggy Nelson steps outside of his front door (in Philadelphia) and picks up a newspaper, which has the following headline: Murdock missing after prison riot. Police; FBI seek Punisher in connection with escape. Foggy wonders aloud whats going to happen to Matt nowFoggy is on crutches, and is still recovering from that stabbing he took to his chest, but he is definently still alive, (and in the Witness Protection program). 

References: 

Pg. 1: The story starts with a narration by Danny Rand, which reads, Daredevil Report, Day 25. Sort of like a Captains Log from Star Trek. But it would appear that Danny has been parading around as Daredevil for the past 25 days. Not sure if his appearances in Civil War can fit within that period, and its unclear if Danny does continue to wear the Daredevil costume after this issue, but Im inclined to think he does so, to continue to cover for Matt while Matt is over in Europe, (as seen in the next story arc). 

But I think were going to have to wait till Matt Murdock returns to America in a few more issues before we find out the complete truth. 

Pgs. 2-5p3: FB- Theres a brief flashback on these pages, which occurs a few hours earlier in the day, (I guess while the prison riot is occurring): Dakota North is attacked by a couple of thugs who work for Alton Lennox, (whom Dakota has been searching for), but the thugs are beaten up by the new Daredevil, (Danny Rand). Dakota recognizes Dannys voice, (from a previous time theyve met) and Danny takes off. 

Pg. 7-8: FB- There is a flashback on these two pages. The narration says, One Hour Earlier. In this small scene, Warden Cole is deleting all prison camera footage of Matt Murdock fighting the criminals, but preserves the footage of the Punisher apparently using Matt as a hostage to escape from prison. At that same time, Matt and Frank are landing the helicopter on a roof in Manhattan and going there separate ways. Pg. 9 then jumps back to the present, with the two Daredevils fighting one another. 

Pg. 8: Frank says to Matt, Youre hurtin a lot right now, Murdock. With good reason. But you dont want to be me. You needed to remember that. 

I just want to note, this comes as a complete contradiction to the Daredevil vs. Punisher miniseries from last year, in which the two could not tolerate each others presence, and despised what the other stood for. But here we see a different interpretation of their relationship: Frank doesnt want to see Matt become like him 

Pg. 20: Not really important, but might as well note itthe Director of the FBI is watching news of the riot when he gets a message from his secretary: Senator Engel is demanding to speak with you. Hes on line one. So this is a BTS appearance for this Senator Engel character. So the Director of the FBI is finally getting what he deserves, it would appear 

Thats it for now. My review of Daredevil vol. 2 #88, (the stand alone issue) is up next, followed by Planet Hulk reviews, and a review for the final issue of Daredevil: Father.
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Posted: 11 Nov 2006 05:05 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Kevin, just a quick note of thanks. I hope to have time to look this over this weekend and I'll get back to you with any questions.
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Posted: 11 Nov 2006 10:16 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Well, I got to this sooner than I thought. I reorganized Kevin's analysis into calendar format just to make sure I got things right, and I added my own notes. (Calendar dates are based on a May 11 date for DD2 81 and are there just to mark time; they may be adjusted as I deal with the big picture.) 

Regarding Civil War... 
Naturally Civil War must start after Danny assumes DD's identity, but it's not over by the time this story arc ends. Civil War takes longer than the 24 days between Danny's assumption of the DD ID and DD2 87 (1-21). By the time Matt gets out of prison, Civil War does proceed at least through A4 22 (1-9), since Jessica Jones notes in that segment that Matt is in prison -- but Civil War has by no means run its course. 

In fact, CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES #1/3 must occur after Matt is busted out of prison, because he appears in flashback in his DD costume in a scene in New York with Danny in his DD costume. Since Matt leaves for Spain in DD2 87, I wonder if CW:CS 1/3-FB actually overlaps with a scene in DD2 87. Kevin, do you have CHOOSING SIDES and can you check this? 


Saturday, June 4 
[BTS] 
One day, 24 days before DD2 87 (1-21). This event may occur after THING2 8 and must occur before CW 1 (18-19). Hired by Alton Lennox, Danny Rand assumes the mantle of Daredevil. 

Saturday, June 11 
DAREDEVIL v2 #82 (1-5) 
One rainy night. Danny Rand, dressed up as Daredevil, stops a late night robbery in Hells Kitchen and beats up a bunch of thugs. A couple of kids photograph him jumping across a rooftop. 

Sunday, June 12 
DAREDEVIL v2 #82  FB 
One day. Kingpin kills members of Lamuertos gang in the prison shower. 
DAREDEVIL v2 #82 (6-14) 
The rainy evening of the day after DD2 82 (1-5). It is one month and one day  32 days since Matt was thrown in prison in DD2 81. A prison guard hands Matt Murdock a copy of todays Daily Bugle newspaper, which has the headline, Murdock behind bars, Daredevil still free? along with a photograph of Daredevil jumping through the rain. Meanwhile, at Murdocks law office, Foggy and Ben Urich have a heated conversation about how best to help Matt. Ben shows Foggy a copy of the newspaper and Foggy denies any involvement with the new Daredevil. Ben leaves and Foggy sees the new Daredevil outside of his window. Foggy goes up to the roof and tells this new Daredevil to not come around and that he doesnt want anything to do with him. 

Monday, June 13 
DAREDEVIL v2 #82 (15-34) 
The day after DD2 82 (6-14) and DD2 82-FB. It is the week before DD2 83 (14-23). The director of the FBI gives Warden Cole authorization papers to have Murdock put in with the general population of the prison. Foggy wakes up to find Becky Blake and Dakota North at the law office. Dakota says that shes just received word that theyre moving Matt to general population and they decide they have to visit Matt in prison today. Matt has his bandages removed in the prison medical ward and he meets up with Carlos Lamuerto, who offers Matt the chance to side with him in prison hierarchy. Matt denies being Daredevil again, but is taken by a prison guard to a corridor where Hammerhead and his gang are waiting. They knock out the guard and the convicts attack Matt, but Matt defeats them easily enough. When prison guards arrive, Matt claims he stumbled into the middle of a gang fight, but the guards throw him in solitary confinement anyway. Later, Foggy and Dakota arrive and try and reassure Matt theyll figure out something. But when Foggy and Dakota leave and Matt is escorted back to his cell, Foggy is led by a corrupt prison guard into a corridor where they are attacked by some thugs. Foggy is stabbed in the chest, and although Matt hears it all from his cell, he can do nothing. Fellow prisoner Kingpin laughs at Matt. 

Monday, June 20 
DAREDEVIL v2 #83 (1-13) 
One day, several days after DD2 82 (15-34). Matt Murdock has been temporarily released from jail with armed guards to attend Foggys funeral. In attendance is Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Danny Rand, Ben Urich, Becky Blake, Dakota North, Milla Donovan, and Rosalind Sharp, who blames Matt for Foggys death and slaps his face. Matt is escorted back to prison where he runs into Morgan, who asks Matt to join his side in the prison hierarchy, and offers to help Matt find Foggys killer. Matt refuses. As Morgan leaves, he taunts Wilson Fisk in his cell. Meanwhile, Warden Cole is again on the phone with the head of the FBI, complaining that one of his prison guards has gone missing. At the Daily Bugle, J. Jonah Jameson tells Ben Urich to go cover Matts appeal in court tomorrow; the Feds claim that Matt can take care of himself outside of solitary confinement. 

Tuesday, June 21 
DAREDEVIL v2 #83 (14-23) 
The day after DD2 83 (1-13). It is a weekday during the week after DD2 82 (15-34). In court, Becky Blake argues that Matt is blind and in danger and should remain in solitary confinement, but the judge sides with the Feds. Later that day at Rykers, the Owl walks into Matts cell to taunt him, but Matt attacks the Owl and breaks his arms and legs. Meanwhile, the new Daredevil busts up a drug deal only to find the dead body of the prison guard who led Foggy and Dakota into a trap. That evening, Ben Urich approaches Dakota North in a bar and asks her to team up with him to find out who the new Daredevil is. 

Thursday, June 23 
DAREDEVIL v2 #84  FB 
One day, between DD2 83 (14-23) and DD2 84 (1-16). Matt Murdock beats up more inmates who tried to attack him. 

Saturday, June 24 
DAREDEVIL v2 #84 (1-16) 
One day, after DD2 84-FB and perhaps a few days after DD2 83 (14-23). Bullseye arrives at prison and is placed into a cell; he is sufficiently recovered from being hit by a bus in DD2 79 by this point to enter a regular prison.. All of the guards and other prisoners fear him. Later that day, Matt confronts the prison guard who led him into an ambush and then sneaks out of his cell and beats up Hammerhead, all in an effort to find out who is responsible for killing Foggy Nelson. Meanwhile at the Daily Bugle, Ben Urich and J. Jonah Jameson argue about the latest headline for the Daily Bugle (Violence Rips Through Rykers), which accuses Matt of starting riots at Rykers. Ben leaves Jonahs office and says greets Kat Ferrell. He then gets a phone call from Dakota North about a possible lead on this new Daredevil figure. They get together and talk to Ivan Murphy, an old drunk who managed to get some photos of the new Daredevil. Ivan says he got the photos from a lawyer named Alton Lennox. Ivan leaves and Ben tells Dakota theyre walking into a conspiracy; he says that Ivan Murphy is a retired Kingpin hitman. 

Sunday, June 25 
DAREDEVIL v2 #84 (17-22) 
The day after DD2 84 (1-16). Matt is called into the wardens office again, and Cole asks Matt to stop attacking the other prisoners, especially since the Kingpin is released from solitary confinement and is now back among the general population with Murdock. Kingpin tells his cellmate Turk to deliver a message to Matt Murdock. Meanwhile at an expensive restaurant, Senator David Engel has dinner with the director of the FBI. He warns the director not to get too zealous with Matt Murdock and that DD is a hero to the people of New York. At a New York diner, the Punisher reads a newspaper that details how Murdock is responsible for a Rampage at Rykers. He decides he wants to see this in person, and he steps outside and kills a pimp in front of a police officer. The police officer has him arrested. 

Monday, June 26 
DAREDEVIL v2 #85 (1-15) 
The day after DD2 84 (17-22). This segment occurs after A4 15. The Punisher is on the front page of the Daily Bugle today. Someone has killed the convict who stabbed Foggy Nelson. Matt Murdock thinks the Kingpin is responsible. Later that day, Turk tells Matt the Kingpin wants to meet him in the courtyard tomorrow. Black Tarantula II offers to give Matt a shiv to stab the Kingpin, but Matt declines. While they talk, the Punisher is escorted into prison. Meanwhile, J. Jonah Jameson and Ben Urich talk at the Daily Bugle about the Daredevil case, with each accusing the other of bias. In the prison, Frank approaches Matt during the evening meal and explains that hes heard that Matt has gone crazy and is nearly killing convicts. Frank says he allowed himself to be arrested just so he could see what it looked like when Matt turned into another version of the Punisher. Later on that evening, Dakota North investigates Alton Lennox, but cant find him. She is followed by the new Daredevil. 

Tuesday, June 27 
DAREDEVIL v2 #85 (15-22) 
The day after DD2 85 (1-15). Matt goes out into the courtyard and meets up with Kingpin as arranged. Matt starts to feel the need to kill Fisk, but Fisk points out that they are being manipulated. The two eventually agree to team up. Matt phones Becky Blake and asks her to investigate the convict who stabbed Foggy. Later that evening, Black Tarantula II, Morgan, and Hammerhead II meet. They had hoped that Matt and the Kingpin would kill one another, but they see thats not going to happen, so they order a corrupt prison guard to let the convicts into the prison armory tomorrow to start a major riot, in which they plan to kill both Matt and Fisk. 

Wednesday, June 28 
DAREDEVIL v2 #86 
The day after DD2 85 (15-22). This story must occur after A4 22 (1-9). Milla and Becky Blake visit Matt in prison. Matts senses warn him that a prison riot is about to break out and he begs Milla and Becky to leave. Before they go, Becky tells Matt that she has found out that the thug who killed Foggy was hired to do so by an Alton Lennox. Just as Milla and Becky leave the island, the riot erupts. Matt finds Warden Cole and stops him from being killed by prisoners. Matt then stops by and helps Melvin Potter, who is attacked by thugs. He then heads off to fight alongside the Kingpin. Turk, under Kingpins orders, frees Bullseye, who comes to the aid of Kingpin and Murdock. Matt and Fisk decide to team up and break out of prison together. Bullseye apparently kills Morgan and Lamuerto, but Hammerhead escapes. When Matt realizes that Bullseye would be escaping with them, he has second thoughts and attacks Bullseye. Bullseye accidently shoots and wounds Fisk and Matt knocks out Bullseye. Matt leaves Fisk and Bullseye behind and tracks down Frank Castle, whos sitting calmly in his cell. Matt asks Frank to help him get out of prison. 
DAREDEVIL v2 #87  FB (2-5p3) 
The same day as DD2 86. Dakota North is attacked by a couple of thugs who work for Alton Lennox, but the thugs are beaten up by the new Daredevil. Dakota recognizes Dannys voice and he takes off. 
DAREDEVIL v2 #87  FB (7-8) 
The same day as DD2 87-FB (2-5). Warden Cole deletes all prison camera footage of Matt Murdock fighting the criminals but preserves the footage of the Punisher apparently using Matt as a hostage to escape from prison. At that same time, Matt and Frank land the helicopter on a roof in Manhattan and go their separate ways. 
DAREDEVIL v2 #87 (1-21) 
The same day as DD2 87-FB (7-8). It is Day 25 of Danny playing Daredevil. As the new Daredevil files a report in his personal logs, he is confronted by Matt Murdock in his own DD costume. Thinking the imposter is working for Alton Lennox, Matt mights him until he realizes its Danny under the mask. Danny puts back on his Iron Fist costume and says he was hired by Alton Lennox to play Daredevil, but he thought Lennox was a friend of Foggy Nelson and thought that Foggy asked a favor of him. They find Altons office empty and run into Ben and Dakota who are doing there own investigation into Lennox. They discover that Lennox has fled the country for Europe. Matt leaves the others and puts on civilian clothes, gets a fake passport, heads to the airport, and hops on a plane for Spain. Meanwhile, the TV news reports about how the Punisher escaped from prison and held Matt as a hostage. J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, and Milla Donovan watch the news. Warden Cole appears on the news and proclaims that Matt Murdock is innocent. The director of the FBI is also watching and hes not happy at this turn of events. 

Thursday, June 29 
DAREDEVIL v2 #87 (22) 
The day after DD2 87 (1-21). Foggy Nelson steps outside of his front door in Philadelphia and picks up a newspaper, which has the headline, Murdock Missing After Prison Riot. Police, FBI Seek Punisher in Connection With Escape. Foggy wonders aloud whats going to happen to Matt now; hes on crutches, and is still recovering from the stabbing he took to his chest while in the witness protection program.
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Posted: 11 Nov 2006 11:10 pm    
By Kevin W.
Director

Quote: 
>>>
Regarding Civil War... 
Naturally Civil War must start after Danny assumes DD's identity, but it's not over by the time this story arc ends. Civil War takes longer than the 24 days between Danny's assumption of the DD ID and DD2 87 (1-21). By the time Matt gets out of prison, Civil War does proceed at least through A4 22 (1-9), since Jessica Jones notes in that segment that Matt is in prison -- but Civil War has by no means run its course.  
<<<

That's what I suspected, (that Danny continues playing Daredevil as a courtesy to Matt). 


Quote: 
>>>
In fact, CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES #1/3 must occur after Matt is busted out of prison, because he appears in flashback in his DD costume in a scene in New York with Danny in his DD costume. Since Matt leaves for Spain in DD2 87, I wonder if CW:CS 1/3-FB actually overlaps with a scene in DD2 87. Kevin, do you have CHOOSING SIDES and can you check this? <<< 

Crap. "Civil War: Choosing Sides" is the ONE Civil War tie-in which I don't have, (well, besides Cable/Deadpool, which I don't collect). I was sick that Wednesday, and when I did make it in to the comic shop, they were sold out. I'll look for it again the next time I'm in the store, but maybe if you or someone could provide an analysis of the scene, I could tell you if it matches what was seen in DD2 87? 

After looking over your notes, your order of events and entries appears to be correct, except for the following spelling error I happened to catch: 


Quote: 
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DAREDEVIL v2 #87 (1-21) 
Matt mights him until he realizes its Danny under the mask 
<<<

That should be "Matt FIGHTS".
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Posted: 12 Nov 2006 08:42 am    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Here's a description of the flashback in CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES #1/3: 

Matt and Danny are on a rooftop. Matt is in his DD costume. Actually, I misspoke earlier: although he's seen mostly in silhouette, Danny is clearly in his Iron Fist costume and is practicing fighting moves behind Matt's back. 

Page 6, panel 1 -- 
MATT: "You're sure? It's not a burden? It could be more than a few weeks..." 
DANNY: "Burden? Matt...it's been an honor." 

Page 6, panel 2 -- 
DANNY: "In fact -- as terrible as it might sound -- I've enjoyed it. Getting out in the world again, kicking some guys in the face..." 

Page 6, panel 3 -- 
DANNY: "Sometimes we get so wrapped up in our own drama we forget we're not alone on this stage. And now that guys like us are being hunted...guys that need secret identities..." 

Page 6, panel 4 -- 
DANNY: "I mean, Luke's always been Luke, but you and me, we have these other lives, and..." 

Page 6, panel 5 -- 
DANNY: "Matt?" 
MATT: "Huh? Sorry -- I was miles away. You said the Rand jet will be waiting on the runway, right?" 

Page 6, panel 6 -- 
DANNY: "It'll be there...but what I said was, I can carry the weight. I'll keep wearing your suit." 


It seems to me this scene occurs just before Matt takes off for Spain (in a Rand jet), somewhere in the first 21 pages of DD2 87. Perhaps this occurs before Matt puts on his civilian clothes in that issue. I hope this recap helps establish where (between which pages/panels) in DD2 87 this flashback happens.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2006 09:20 am    
By Kevin W.
Director

Yes, that's definently a new scene. It would have to go inbetween pgs. 17 and 18 of DD2 87. 

Pg. 17 ends with Matt, Danny, Ben, and Dakota in Alton Lennox's office, having figured out that the mysterious Mr. Lennox has fled for Europe. 

Pg. 18 picks up with just Ben and Matt later on that evening in a hotel room in "Newark, New Jersey", (I thought it was a NYC airport, but now that I notice it, Matt apparently flew out of Newark, NJ). Matt is now in civilian clothes and packing some bags for his flight. 

Pg. 19-20 feature the scenes where Milla, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, and the Director of the FBI are watching the news that same evening. 

Pg. 21 shows Matt at the airport buying his ticket for the flight, (though you think Danny would've had that all set up, but ah well...) 

Pg. 22 is the next day, the scene with Foggy. 

Hope that helps.
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Posted: 12 Nov 2006 04:43 pm    
By Paul Bourcier
Director

Yes, that does help, Kevin. Thanks. Time now to work these issues into the bigger picture...
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Posted: 25 Nov 2006 09:22 am    
By Enda80

Morgan returned in Black Panther despite about 13 publ years earlier having apparently died in an elevator crash. 

"References: None reallybut I will say that even though the writers intent would make it appear that Morgan and Black Tarantula II are dead, (they are lying in a pool of their own blood) a future writer could simply say they got medical attention in time, and are still alive. But for now, it would appear, (as shown here) that theyre dead. "

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Posted: 25 Nov 2006 06:13 pm    
By jephyork
Director

Quote marks, but no attribution of who you're quoting. High-five! 

-Jeph!

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Thread 27

Posted: 26 Nov 2006 04:19 pm    Post subject: Ultraverse Listings
By Dhall

Here it is, a massive info-dump of Ultraverse chronology. Im not sure how much interest there is for these books, but I enjoy getting obscure titles incorporated into the MCP. If you disagree with any of the placements that Ive made for the Marvel characters, please suggest something better. For characters that I am unfamiliar with, I was generally guided by a) what is already in the MCP, except where obviously wrong or b) publication date, and trying not to put things in the middle of crossovers. 

First a few notes: 

1) The Black Knight does not appear in Ultraforce Infinity. In fact no characters do who would qualify for a listing. The world shown in UF Infinity is an artifical one created by Nemesis. It has an amalgam of characters copied from the Ultraverse, and Marvel Earths. 

2) Giant-Man and Quicksilver do not appear in Avengers/Ultraforce #1, these listings should be deleted. 

3) In the key, the codes have been changed on the Exile books, but most listings have not been changed. EX and EX2 are the original and All-New Exile books. 


4) The key lists UU, as Ultraforce Unlimited The correct name of the book is Ultraverse Unlimited. 

5) The key lists a book called Silver Surfer/Rune with a code of SS/RUNE. There is no such book. There is a book called Rune/Silver Surfer that Ive given the code RUNE/SS 

6) Please delete the following Rune Chronology from the MCP, in favor of the one in this list. 

RUNE ?-Delete 
RVV-FB 
RVV 
SS/RUNE/2 

7) There is a key at the very bottom of this list, which explains what codes I used for the list. 

MARVEL CHARACTERS 

ANNIHILUS 
G 5 
T 434 
T 435 
FFU 3 
**CURSE 4 
**RUNEI 
**RUNE2 1 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2-BTS 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4-BTS 
WLOCK3 3 
WLOCK3 4 
FF3 43 

ARCADE 
X:PRIME-BTS 
W/G 4-FB 
W/G 1-BTS 
W/G 2 
W/G 3 
W/G 4 
NMVW 0 
XFOR&C '95/2 

ARMADA II/ 
SENSM 0 
ASM 408 
ULTRAF2 2/2 
ASM 413-FB 
ASM 413 

BANSHEE 
GENX 7 
GENX 8 
GENX 9 
UX 325 
W2 94 
PR:G 
PR:R 
GENX '95 
GENX 10 
GENX 11 

BEAST 
DCVM 4-BTS 
X '95 
A:C 
UX 325 
**W2 93 
**EXVX 0 
SIREN 2/2 
RUNE2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
UX 326 
XU 8 
W2 93 ?- Remove, this occurs before EXVX 0. 
EXVX 0 <---Remove, this occurs before PR :G, and before Siren 2/2 
X&CD 1 
XU 9 

BISHOP 
W2 93 
PR:G 
PR:R 
UX '95 
X 46 
X 47 

BLACK KNIGHT V/DANE WHITMAN 
A 375 
** ULTRAF 10-FB 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9 
**ULTRAF 10 
A 380 ~ ULTRAF 10 
**ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
**U/A-FB 
U/A 
ULTRAF INFINITY ?remove, this is not Earth-616s Dane who appears in this issue. 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
ULTRAF2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
** ULTRAF2 4 
EX 4 ? Code is wrong 
**EX2 4 
**ULTRAF2 5 
**ULTRAF2 6 
**ULTRAF2 7 
**ULTRAF2 8-FB 
**ULTRAF2 8 
**ULTRAF2 9 
**UFS 1 
**ULTRAF2 9 
**UFS 1 
**ULTRAF2 9 
**UFS 1 
**ULTRAF2 9 
**ULTRAF2 10 
**ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF 12 <- Code is wrong, s/b ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
HFH 2 

BLACK WIDOW II 
M 317 
TS 20 
A/U 
U/A 
A 384 

BLAZE, SIENA 
NW 46 
PR:R ?REMOVE, IN Wrong PLACE 
EXI 
EX 1 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 1 
EXVX 0 
** PR:R 
EX 2 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 2 
EX 3 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 3 
EX 4 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 4 
**SIRENSP 1 
EX 5 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 5 
EX 6 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 6 
EX 7 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 7 
EX 8 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 8 
EX 9 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 9 
EX 10 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 10 
EX 11 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 11 
**ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF 12 <- Code is wrong, s/b ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 

BROCK, EDDIE 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2-BTS 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4 
V:STA 5/2-FB 
V:STA 5/2 
V:ACS 1 
V:ACS 2 
V:ACS 3 
V:ACS 4 
RVV 
V:HUNTED 1 

CANDRA 
R 1 
R 2 
R 3 
R 4 
NMG 1 
NMG 2 
NMG 3 
W2 94-BTS 

CAPTAIN AMERICA 
IM 314 
PPTSSSS 1 
A/U 
U/A 
CA 438 
CA 439 
A 386 
CA 440 
A 387 
CA 441 
A 388 
CA 442 
TS 23 
TS 24 
CA 443 
CA 444 
CA 445 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3 
DCVM 4 
CA 446 
CA 447 
CA 448 
**P/CA 
A:T 
IM 325 
A 395 
AOI 
SMTU 4 
H2 440 
CA 449 

**CONAN THE BARBARIAN 
CVR 1 
CTS 4 

CRYSTAL 
A 383 
V 2 
V 3 
V 4 
A/U 
U/A 
A 384 

CUTTER, JAINE 
H:PL 21 
NIGHTMAN2 2/2 
TB '00 

DEATHURGE 
H:PL 12 
H:PL 13 
H:PL 14 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 

DIAMONDBACK II/RACHEL LEIGHTON 
CA 431 
CA 432 
CA 433 
CA 434-BTS 
CA 439 
CA 440 
CA 441 
A 388 
**SIRENI 
**SIREN 1 
**SIREN 2 
**SIREN 3 
CV 1 

DOCTOR SPECTRUM 
Q 60 
**SIREN 1 
**SIREN 2 
PR:G 
A3 5 

DRAX 
WIW 41 
WIW 42 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 
WLOCK3 1 

DUGAN, TIMOTHY ALOYISIOUS CADWALLADER 'DUM DUM' 
TOS2 
RVV 
A 385 
DE:O 
H2 434 

GAMBIT 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4-BTS 
UX 325 
X 45 
UX 326 
XU 8 
** EXVX 0 
NMG 1 
NMG 2 
NMG 3 
EXVX 0 <- Remove, in wrong place 
GR3 67 
GR3 68 
X 46 

GAMORA 
WIW 42 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
WIW 42 

GATEWAY 
GENX 7 
EXVX 0 
PRIME2 2/2 
MANTRA2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
PR 0 ? REMOVE, S/B PR 0/8 
**PR 0/8 
X 49 
X 50 
W2 104 

GIANT-MAN/HANK PYM 
A 382/3 
V 1 
V 3 
V 4 
A/U ?Remove, Giant-Man does not appear in this issue. 
U/A 
A 384 

GRANDMASTER 
Q 58 
A/U 
CM4 5 

GREEN GOBLIN IV/PHIL URICH 
GG 3 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2-BTS 
DCVM 3 
DCVM 4-BTS 
GG 4 
GG 5 
[ULTRAFORCE/SPIDER-MAN] <-REMOVE 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
GG 6 
GG 7 
GG 8 
GG 9 
PPTSS 235 

HELLSTORM/DAIMON HELLSTROM 
H:PL 21 
SECDEF 25 
DRUID 1 
NIGHTMAN2 2/2 
W2 113 
W2 114 

HULK 
H2 424 
H2 425 
H2 426 
H2 427 
H2 428 
H2 429 
H2 430 
**PVH 
H2 431 
H2 432 
H2 433 
T 488 
T 489 
S&L 1/2 
WARM 19 
H2 434 
DCVM 1 

HYPERION 
Q 55 
Q 60-BTS 
FFU 11/2 
**SIREN 1 
**SIREN 2 
PR:G 
A3 5 

ICEMAN 
DCVM 1-BTS 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4-BTS 
UX 325 
X 45 
UX 326-BTS 
XU 8 
EXVX 0 
X&CD 1 
X 46 

IRON MAN/TONY STARK 
FW 10 
FW 10/2 
A/U 
U/A 
FF 400/2 
CA 437 
IM 314 
CA 438 
IM 315 

**JOLT/KYI 
SIREN 1 
SIREN 2 
SIREN 3 

Note: This listing should push back Jolt to Jolt II, and Jolt II to Jolt III. 

JUBILEE 
GENX 6 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3 
DCVM 4 
PR:G 
PR:R 
PR 0 ?REMOVE, S/B PR 0/8 
**PR 0/8 
UX 325 
GENX 7 

JUGGERNAUT 
W2 93 
EXI 
EX 1 <-Code is wrong, s/b EX2 1 
EXVX 0 
EX 2 <-Remove, in Wrong place. 
PR:G 
PR:R 
**EX2 2 
EX 3 ? Code is wrong, s/b EX2 3 
EX 4 <-Code is wrong, s/b EX2 4 
** SIRENSP 1 
EX 5 <-Code is wrong, s/b EX2 5 
UX 333 

LIVING TRIBUNAL 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
SS/RUNE2 ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 
A:CS 1 

LIZARD II 
PPTSS 238-FB 
DCVM 1-BTS 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4-BTS 
**PRIMEI-FB 
**PRIMEI 
**PRIME2 1 
**PRIME2 2 
{PPTSS 237} 
PPTSS 238 


LOKI 
T 484 
TS 19 
TS 20 
TS 21 
**GODWHEEL 3 
**LP/NM 1/2 
**HARDCASE 23 
**MANTRA 22 
**LP/NM 4-BTS 
**NIGHTMAN 21 
**NIGHTMAN 22 
**CURSE 3 
**HARDCASE 26 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
A 400 
JIM 503 

LUNA 
A 376 
A 380 ~ ULTRAF 10 
A 390 

MAD DOG/COLONEL BOB "BUZZ" BAXTER 
NF3 34 
NF3 35 
CA 411 
**SIRENI 
**SIREN 3-BTS 

MARILLA 
A 373 
A 380 ~ ULTRAF 10 
A 389 

MAXAM 
WIW 41 
WIW 42 
SS/RUNE/2 ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 

MOONDRAGON 
WIW 41 
WIW 42 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
CM4 2-FB 
CM4 5 

PHOENIX IV 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2-BTS 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4-BTS 
X '95 
UX 325 
XU 8 
EXVX 0 
X&CD 1 
X 46 

PIP 
WIW 42 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 
WLOCK3 1 

PROFESSOR X 
GENX 6 
W2 92 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2-BTS 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4-BTS 
UX 326 
XU 8 
XCAL 88 
C2 23 
XM 10 
W:KT 
W2 93 
EXVX 0 
X&CD 1 

POWDERKEG II 
CM2 1 
SS/RUNE/2 ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 

POWER PRINCESS 
Q 60 
FFU 11/2 
**SIREN 1 
**SIREN 2 
PR:G 
A3 5 

PUNISHER 
PUN3 4 
SM/P:FP 1 
SM/P:FP 2 
PUN3 5 
PUN3 6 
**FOXFIRE 3 
**FOXFIRE 4 
OE 5 
DS 3 
PUN3 7 
PUN3 8 

QUICKSILVER 
A 383 
FW 10/2 
A/U ?remove, Quicksilver does not appear in this issue. 
U/A 
FF 400/2 

RAVENOUS 
**RVV-FB 
RVV 

REAPER II 
XFOR 28 
EXI 
EX 1 <-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 1 
EXVX 0 
EX 2 <-REMOVE, In Wrong Place 
PR:R 
**EX2 2 
EX 3 ? Code is wrong, S/B EX2 3 
EX 4 <-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 4 
**SIRENSP 1 
EX 5 <-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 5 
EX 6 <-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 6 
EX 7 <-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 7 
EX 8 <-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 8 
EX 9 <-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 9 
EX 10<-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 10 
EX 11<-Code is wrong, S/B EX2 11 
**ULTRA2F 11-BTS 
ULTRAF 12 <- Code is wrong, s/b ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
WX2 5 

ROGUE 
UX 325 
X 45 
EXVX 0 
PR:G 
PR:R 
XM 11 

SCARLET SPIDER/BEN REILLY 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3 
DCVM 4 
SENSM 0 
ASM 407 
NW 67 
WOSS 4 
SM:FA 3 
SM:FA 4 
ASMU 11 
S-M 64 
PPTSS 230 
SENSM 1 
ASM 408 
S-M 65 
ULTRAF2 2/2 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
**ULTRAF/SM 1B 
**ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
V:ACS 1 
V:ACS 2 
V:ACS 3 
V:ACS 4 
SM/P:FP 1 
SM/P:FP 2 
PPTSS 231 
SENSM 2 
ASM 409 
S-M 66 
V:HUNTED 1 
SMTU 2 
PPTSS 232 
SENSM 3-FB 
SENSM 3 
ASM 410 

SERSI 
A 375 
** ULTRAF 10-FB 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9-FB 
**ELIM 3 
ULTRAF 9-FB 
ULTRAF 9 
**ULTRAF 10 
ULTRAF 10 ~ A 380-BTS 
**ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
BK:E 

SILVER SURFER 
DCVM 4 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 
SS/RUNE2 ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 ~ RUNE/SS 1 
**RUNE/SS 1/2 
SS3 104 

SPIDER-MAN/PETER PARKER 
PPTSS 226 
**PVH 
MC:A 
WOSM 127 
ASM 404 
S-M 61 
PPTSS 227 
MC:O 
WOSM 128 
ASM 405 
S-M 62 
ASMU 10 
ASMSS 1 
S-MSS 1 
VSS 1 
PPTSSSS 1 
WOSMSS 1 
VSS 1/2 
PPTSSSS 1/2 
PPTSS 228 
WOSM 129 
**PRIMEI 
ASM 406 
S-M 63 
SMTU 1 
PPTSS 229 

STARFOX 
Q 59 
CP 4 
A/U 
U/A 
CM4 2-FB 
CM4 5 

STORM 
UX 324 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3 
DCVM 4 
UX 325 
XU 8 
C2 23 
W2 93 
RUNE2 2/2 ?REMOVE, IN WRONG PLACE 
EXVX 0 
** RUNE2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
UX 326 
W2 96 

TASKMASTER 
S-H2 59 
**SIRENI 
**SIREN 1 
**SIREN 2 
**SIREN 3 
DPOOL3 2 
ELEK 5 

THANOS 
DCVM 4 
SMTU 2 
SS/RUNE/2 ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
CM4 5 

THOR 
T 484 
FW 10/2 
**GODWHEEL 1 
**GODWHEEL 3 
**RUNE/SS 1 
**GODWHEEL 3 
**RUNE/SS 1 
**GODWHEEL 3 
**RUNE/SS 1 
A/U 
U/A 
FF 400/2 
T 485 
T 486 
T 487 
T 488 
T 489 
AR 1 
FF 401 
FFOR 9 
FF 402 
AR 2 
TS 23 
TS 24 
T 490 
ULTRAF2 2/2 ?Remove, these issues are listed after DCVM in all other char, listings. 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2 
DCVM 3 
DCVM 4 
** ULTRAF2 2/2 
T 491 
T 492 
T 493 
T 494 

VENOM 
DCVM 1 
DCVM 2-BTS 
DCVM 3-BTS 
DCVM 4 
V:STA 5/2-FB 
V:STA 5/2 
V:ACS 1 
V:ACS 2 
V:ACS 3 
V:ACS 4 
RVV 
V:HUNTED 1 
V:HUNTED 2 

VISION II 
V 4 
FW 10/2 
A/U 
U/A 
AUP 1 
AUP 2 

WARLOCK II/ADAM WARLOCK 
WIW 41 
WIW 42 
SS/RUNE ?remove 
**RUNE/SS 1 
**ULTRAU 2-FB 
** CURSE 4 
**RUNEI 
**RUNE2 1 
**RUNE2 3 
**RUNE2 6 
**RUNE2 7 
**ULTRAU 2 
WLOCK3 1 

WAR MACHINE/JAMES R. "JIM" "RHODEY" RHODES 
WARM 17 
WARM 18 
WARM 19 
WARM 20 
IM 322 
FW 18 
WARM 21 
**SIREN 1 
**SIREN 2 
FW 19 
WARM 22 
IM 324 

WEYING, ANN 
V:ACS 1 
V:ACS 2 
V:ACS 3 
V:ACS 4 
RVV 
ASM2 19 

WHIZZER II/STANLEY STEWART 
Q 54 
Q 57 
Q 60 
**SIREN 1 
**SIREN 2 
SIREN 2/2 
**SIREN 3 
PR:G 
A3 5 

WOLVERINE 
DCVM 4 
UX 325 
W:KT 
W2 93 
**NMVW 0 
RUNE2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
NMVW 0 ?Remove, this occurs prior to PR:G 
W2 94 
W2 95 
W2 96 

ULTRAVERSE CHARACTERS 

ACHARR/ JONATHAN 
RHOD 2/2-FB 
RHOD 1/2 
RHOD 2/2 
RHOD 3/2 

ACOSTA, CLAIRE 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 
CODEFIRE 5 

ADAMS, STACY 
STRANGERS 5-BTS 
STRANGERS 16 

AEON 
WARSTRIKE 5 
UP 5 

AERIE 
ULTRAU 2 

AHMED-SET 
MANTRA 24 

A.J. 
FREEX 17 
FREEX 18 
HARDCASE 21 

AJAK-KAR 
MANTRA2 6 
MANTRA2 7 

ALBRIGHT 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 

ALEXANDER 
RUNE 6 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 8 
RUNE 9 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2 
CURSE 3 


ALEXANDER, JAKE 
PROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3 
PROTOTYPE 5 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PROTOTYPE 7 
WRATH 1 
PROTOTYPE 10 
PROTOTYPE 11 
UP 9/2 
PROTOTYPE 17 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 
ULTRAF2 13 
PRIME2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 

ALTERNATE/REGINA 
HARDCASE 26-FB 
HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 3 
HARDCASE 7~SOLUTION 3 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 16 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 18 
HARDCASE 19 
HARDCASE 21 
HARDCASE 26 
PR:G 
PR:R 

ANALLA 
FREEX 17 

ANDELLE 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 

ANDRE 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 

ANGELLA 
PROTOTYPE 16-FB 
PROTOTYPE 4 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 8 
PROTOTYPE 9 
PROTOTYPE 15 
PROTOTYPE 16 
PROTOTYPE 17-FB 
PROTOTYPE 17 

ANGEL OF DESTRUCTION | FUTURE 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 

ANIELA 
MANTRA 11-FB 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 14-FB 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 

ANYTHING/LEWIS PHILLIPS 
FRREX 8-FB 
FREEX 8-FB 
FREEX 1-FB 
FREEX 8-FB 
FREEX 1-FB 
UP 0/5 
FREEX 1 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
PRIME 8/2 
FLOOD 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 5 
BT 1 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
BT 2 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 8 
FREEX 9 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
PRIME 13/2 
GSFREEX 1 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
UP 9/3-FB 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
FREEX 18 
HARDCASE 21 
FIREARM 17 
PR:G 

ANZANO, ROBERT MARLON 
UZ 4-FB 

APOCOLOFF, NIKOLAI 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 
NIGHTMAN2 1-FB 
NIGHTMAN2 1 
NIGHTMAN2 2 
NIGHTMAN2 3 

AQUAN 
ULTRAU 2 

ARENA/KEIKO 
UP 9/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 8 
UP 9/2-FB 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 /2 
UP 9/2 
UP 10/4 
UP 11/4 
PRIME2 5 

ARCHIMAGE 
UP 0/4-FB 
MANTRA 11-FB 
MANTRA 19-FB 
LP/NM 1-FB 
MANTRA 20-FB 
MANTRA 3-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 14 

ARGUS 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 9 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 

ARIELLE 
PUMP 0 

ARIELLE II 
LP/NM 1 
LP/NM 2 
LP/NM 3 
LP/NM 4 

ARLINGTON, AMETTA 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 15 
NIGHTMAN 17 
NIGHTMAN 18 
NIGHTMAN 19 

ARMEJIAN, BRUNO 
ELVEN 1 
ELVEN 2 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 

ASHKENAZ, SERENA 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 

ASTOR, JANE 
PROTOTYPE 9 
PROTOTYPE 14 

ATALON 
ULTRAF 4-FB 
GSFREEX 1-BTS 
FREEX 13 
SOLITAIRE 9 
ULTRAF 0A-FB 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
ULTRAF 2 
PRIME 17 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 

ATOM BOB/PILGRIM/BOB HARDIN 
STRANGERS 19-FB 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 3~HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
FLOOD 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 11 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
STRANGERS 14 
STRANGERS 15 
STRANGERS 16 
STRANGERS 17 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19-BTS 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 23 

AUGUST, REVEREND 
FIREARM 11 
FIREARM 14 
FIREARM 15 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18-FB 

AULA, CHIEF 
UP 0/2 
STRANGERS 2 
BT 2 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 19 

AUNTIE 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 17-FB 
NIGHTMAN 21-FB 
NIGHTMAN 21-FB 
STRANGERS 6 
STRANGERS 17 

AUTUMN, ALEX 
PR:A-FB 
FOXFIRE 4-FB 
PR:G 
PR:R 
PR:A 
FOXFIRE 1-BTS 
FOXFIRE 3 

BACCHUS 
CODEFIRE 0 

BACKLASH 
WARSTRIKE 1 
WARSTRIKE 2 

BACKSTABBER/KAITLYN OHARE 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 

BAILEY, SHERRIFF TOM 
RUNE 1 
RUNE 2 

BAKER, AL 
PRIME 1 
PROTOTYPE 4 
MANTRA 5 
PRIME 14 
ULTRAF 0B 
PRIME @1-BTS 

BASHEROKSI, BURKE 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE 11 
PRIME 22 

BASHEROKSI, MRS. 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE 11 

BASHEROKSI, MUNROE 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE 11 
PRIME 22 

BASTINADO 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 11 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 

BATTLEWAGON/FRANKIE 
PROTOTYPE 18-FB 
PROTOTYPE 18 

BAZINNI, PETE 
SOLUTION 7-FB 

BEATER 
STRANGERS 20 
STRANGERS 20-FB 

BEMM 
ULTRAU 2 

BENWAY, DOCTOR 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 

BERNSTEIN, SY 
UP 3 
UP 4 
PRIME 21 


BISMARCK 
HARDCASE 19 
HARDCASE 21 

BLACK TIGER 
SOLUTION 14-FB 
SOLUTION 6-FB 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 14 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 

BLADES, JOE 
PRIME 17 
PRIME 18 
PRIME 19 

BLAKE, EVIE 
UZ 1 /2-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 3 
UP 0/4 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 5 
MANTRA 6 
MANTRA 7 
MANTRA 23 
MANTRA 9 
MANTRA 21 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 20-FB 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 20 
UZ 1/2 
MANTRASOD 2 
MANTRA 22 
MANTRA 24 
MANTRAI-FB 
MANTRAI 
MANTRA2 1 
MANTRA2 2 
MANTRA2 4 
MANTRA2 5 

BLAKE, GUS JR. 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 5 
MANTRA 6 
MANTRA 7 
MANTRA 23 
MANTRA 9 
MANTRA 21-BTS 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
MANTRA 13-BTS 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 22 
MANTRAI-FB 
MANTRAI 
MANTRA2 1 
MANTRA2 2 
MANTRA2 3 

BLAKE, GUS SR. 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 6 
MANTRA 9 
MANTRA 11-BTS 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 
MANTRAI-FB 

BLASS, YOLANDA 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 2-FB 

BLAST 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 

BLIND FAITH/TRAVIS 
GSWARSTRIKE 1-FB 
WARSTRIKE 1 
WARSTRIKE 2 
WARSTRIKE 3 
WARSTRIKE 4 
PROTOTYPE 13 
WARSTRIKE 5 
WARSTRIKE 6-FB 
GSWARSTRIKE 1 

BLOODBATH 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

BLOODGRIP/CARL DE MARCO 
CODEFIRE 0 
CODEFIRE 1 
CODEFIRE 2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 

BLOODMAMA/ ANNIE DE MARCO 
CODEFIRE 0 
CODEFIRE 1 
CODEFIRE 2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 

BLOODRATTLE/ BARRY DE MARCO 
CODEFIRE 0 
CODEFIRE 1 
CODEFIRE 2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 

BLOODSHED 
SOLUTION 14-FB 
SOLUTION 6-FB 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 14 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 

BLOODSTORM 
SLUDGE 2-FB 
SLUDGE 2-FB 
SLUDGE 2-FB 
SLUDGE 2 
BT 1 
SLUDGE 3 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 

BLOODTRAP/ JOHHNY DE MARCO 
CODEFIRE 0 
CODEFIRE 1 
CODEFIRE 2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 

BLOODYFLY 
NIGHTMAN 17 
NIGHTMAN 18 
NIGHTMAN 20 

BLYTHE, ASHWIN 
MANTRASOD 1-BTS 
MANTRASOD 2 
MANTRA2 4 

BOAM 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 

BONEHAMMER 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
ULTRAF2 3-FB 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 

BONEYARD 
UP 0/4-FB 
NIGHTMAN 11-FB 
NIGHTMAN @1-FB 
NIGHTMAN 11-FB 
NIGHTMAN @1-FB 
NIGHTMAN 11-FB 
MANTRA 11-FB 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 3 
PRIME 4 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 5 
MANTRA 8 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 

BOOK 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
PR:G 
PR:R 

BOOM BOY/RAY GOLIC 
FREEX 10-FB 
FREEX 1-FB 
UP 0/5 
FREEX 1 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
PRIME 8/2 
FLOOD 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 5 
BT 1 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
BT 2 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 8 
FREEX 9 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
GSFREEX 1/2 
UP 6/4 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 18 
PR:G 

BOULEVARD 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 7 
SOLITAIRE 10 

BOUTROS-GHALI, SECRETARY GENERAL 
ULTRAF 2 

BRADLEY, DANA 
FIREARM 7-FB 
FIREARM 7 
FIREARM 12 

BRADLEY, JEFFREY 
FIREARM 7-FB 
FIREARM 7 

BRADLEY, MAYOR 
UZ 2-FB 

BRADLEY, STACEY 
FIREARM 7-FB 
FIREARM 7 

BRADY, CELIA 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 14 
HARDCASE 20 
HARDCASE 21 
HARDCASE 23 
HARDCASE 24 
HARDCASE 25 

BRAZEN 
STRANGERS 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 

BREAKDOWN/CECILIA CHUN 
UP 9/3 

BRIGGS, LT. CARLETON 
NIGHTMAN 5 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
NIGHTMAN 17 
NIGHTMAN 23 

BRIGGS 
UZ 3/2-FB 
UZ 3/2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 
CODEFIRE 5-FB 
CODEFIRE 5 

BRODY, CLAIRE 
FIREARM 1 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 

BROWN, DETECTIVE CHUCK 
HARDCASE 2 
HARDCASE:PE 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 14 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 22 

BROWN, OFFICER JAMAL 
UZ 3-FB 
HARDCASE 1 

BRUUT 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 4 

BUCK LONESTAR 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 

BUG 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 6 
SOLITAIRE 7 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 
UDF 1/2 

BUTLER, LEEANN 
FLOOD 
UP 6/3 

BUTTERFLY 
CODEFIRE 4 


CAAN, DAVID 
FIREARM 12 

CALLEROS, SHELBY 
WARSTRIKE 1 
WARSTRIKE 2 
WARSTRIKE 4 
WARSTRIKE 5 
GSWARSTRIKE 1 

CAMPBELL, FELICIA 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3 
PROTOTYPE 11 
PROTOTYPE 12 
PROTOTYPE 13 
SOLUTION 13-BTS 
GSPROTOTYPE 1-FB 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14-FB 
UP 9/2 
PROTOTYPE 14 
PROTOTYPE 17 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
FOXFIRE 2 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 8-FB 

CANCER 
CODEFIRE 0 

CANDLE, ARCHIBALD 
FIREARM 10 
FIREARM 11 

CANTRELL, KELLY 
PRIME 4-FB 
UP 0 
PRIME 1-FB 
PRIME 2 
PRIME 3 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 5 
PRIME 6 
MANTRA 5 
PRIME 8 
MANTRA 7 
PRIME 10 
PRIME 12 
PRIME 13 
PRIME 16 
PRIME 17 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 20 
PRIME 21-FB 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME2 3 

CANTRELL, DEBBIE 
PRIME 6 
PRIME 12 
PRIME 14 
PRIME 16 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 21 
PRIME2 3 

CAPTAIN USA 
WARSTRIKE 4 

CARMILLA 
PRIME2 11 
PRIME2 12 
PRIME2 13 
PRIME2 14 
PRIME2 15 

CARPENTER, COLONEL JONAH 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
WRATH 6 
WRATH 7 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 8 
UP 8/4 
WRATH 9 

CARRINGTON, ROGER 
NIGHTMAN 4 
NIGHTMAN 5 

CASINO 
SOLUTION 7-FB 
SOLUTION 8-FB 
UP 10/2 
SOLUTION 14 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 

CASSIDY, CASS 
UP 4/2 
UP 6/2 
UP 7/3 

CASSIDY, SAL 
UP 6/2 
UP 7/3 

CASTRO, FIDEL 
ULTRAF 3 

CATAPULT/KEVIN ALBERS 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 
BT 1-BTS 
EX2 4 

CAYMAN/EVAN MURAYAMA 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
PRIME 13/2 
GSFREEX 1 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
UP 9/3-FB 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
RUNE/SS 1 
GODWHEEL 3 
FREEX 18 
HARDCASE 21 
EX2 7 
EX2 8-BTS 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 

CENTIPEDE 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 18 

CHA-CHA 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 

CHALK/TOM KWAN 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
NIGHTMAN 10-FB 
NIGHTMAN 10 
NIGHTMAN 21 

CHAOTICIAN 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 3 

CHAS 
SLUDGE 4 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE:RX 

CHAVEZ, RAMON 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 3-FB 

CHENG 
SOLUTION 7 
SOLUTION 8 

CHIEF CHO 
NIGHTMAN 8 

CHIRON 
CODEFIRE 0 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 
CODEFIRE 5-FB 

CHIU, MISS 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 

CHOICE/AMY TRAN KWITNY 
HARDCASE 10-FB 
HARDCASE 10-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
SOLUTION 6-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 3-FB 
HARDCASE 2 
HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 3~STRANGERS 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 7~SOLUTION 3 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 10-FB 
HARDCASE 9-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 10-FB 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 
HARDCASE 13 
UP 7/2-FB 
UP 7/2 
UP 8/2 
UP 9 
HARDCASE 19 
HARDCASE 20 
HARDCASE 24 
HARDCASE 25 
HARDCASE 26 
ULTRAF 10 

CHOICE II 
HARDCASE 23 
HARDCASE 24 
HARDCASE 25 
HARDCASE 26 


CLAIRE/JASMINE 
UP 1-FB 
UP2/3-FB 
UP 2/3-FB 
RIPFIRE 0-FB 
EX2 11 

CLINTON, HILARY 
PRIME 9 
PRIME2 1 

CLINTON, PRESIDENT BILL 
PRIME 6 
PRIME 9 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 
PRIME2 1 
P/CA 

CLINTON, CHELSEA 
PRIME 6 
PRIME 9 
ULTRAF 2 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 25 
PRIME2 1 
P/CA 

CLIPPER 
CODEFIRE 0-FB 
CODEFIRE 0 

CROMWELL 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
PR:G 
FOXFIRE 2 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 
ULTRAF2 8-FB 
ULTRAF2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
ULTRAF2 10 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAF2 13 
PRIME2 13 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 

COACH MEYER 
UP 0 
PRIME 1-FB 
PRIME 1 
PRIME2 13 

COCO 
PRIME2 6 
PRIME2 7 
PRIME2 8 

COLE 
UP 9/3 

COLUMBUS, CHRISTOPHER 
STRANGERS 12-FB 

COLVIN 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 15 

CONTRARY 
FREEX 9 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
GSFREEX 1/2 
UP 6/4 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
ULTRAF 0A 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
ULTRAF 2 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 14 ~ ULTRAF 2 
FREEX 14 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
FREEX 18 
HARDCASE 21 
ULTRAF 7 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9 
MANTRA 24 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 

CONTRERAS, COURTNEY 
UP 0 
PRIME 1-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 8 
PRIME 12 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 20-BTS 

COSTANZO, DOCTOR 
PRIME 14-FB 
PRIME2 11 
PRIME2 12 
PRIME2 13 
PRIME2 14 
PRIME2 15 

COVEN/ HEATHER PARKS 
MANTRA 21 
MANTRA2 1 
MANTRA2 2 

CROW 
LP/NM 2/2 
LP/NM 3/2 
LP/NM 4 
NIGHTMAN2 3 
NIGHTMAN2 4 

CRUSADER/ADRIAN 
RUNE2 5-FB-FB 
RUNE2 5-FB 
RUNE2 6-FB 

CULEBRA/ JAY ALVEROS 
POP 1 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
PRIME2 9-BTS 

DADE, OFFICER MAUREEN 
NIGHTMAN 5 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 

DALMAS, JOHN 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 3 

DALMAS, DOCTOR 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
WRATH 6 

DANIELLE 
EX2 3/2-FB 
EX2 3/2 
EX2 6 
EX2 7 

DARK WAVE 
FLOOD 

DARON 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 

DARVA 
GODWHEEL 2-FB 

DAVENPORT 
FIREARM 2 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 

DEADEYE/FRANK HAYES 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

DEATH DANCE 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 24 
PR:G 
PR:R 

DEATHMASK 
NIGHTMAN 1 
NIGHTMAN 19-FB 
NIGHTMAN 1 
NIGHTMAN 19-FB 
NIGHTMAN 18 
NIGHTMAN 19 

DEATHWISH G. LAWRENCE BUSHNELL 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 

DEETERS, DOCTOR WENDELL 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

DEGENERATE 
SOLITAIRE 7-BTS 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 

DEE 
SIRENSP 1-FB 
ELIM 2 

DE LA CROIX, REVEREND ANTON 
UP 2/2 
UP 5/2 
ELVEN 0 

DE LORENTTI, ALEXUS 
WH1-FB 

DE LORENTTI, ANNA 
WH1-FB 

DE LORENTTI, MRS. 
WH1-FB 

DEMING, DOCTOR RACHEL 
FLOOD 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 
BT 1 
BT 2 
WARSTRIKE 5 
ULTRAF 2 

DEMONSEED 
ULTRAF2 14-FB 
EX2 1-BTS 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

DENT, PAMELA JOYCE 
ELIM 2-FB 
SIRENSP 1-FB 
SIRENSP 1-FB 

DE ORTIZ, LUCILLE 
ELVEN 1-FB 
ELVEN 1-FB 
UP 2/2 
ELVEN 1 
ELVEN 2 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 

DEVILISH DOCTOR Z 
FIREARM 11 
FIREARM 12 

DE VRIES, JOE 
UZ 4-FB 

DIANA 
SOLUTION 7-FB 
SOLUTION 8-FB 

DICKEY, CAROL 
PRIME 1 

DIRT DEVIL 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 
EX2 11 

DISCORD, DOCTOR 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 

DISCUS 
WRATH 7 

DIXON, BOB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 2 
HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 23 

D.J. BLAST/JAMAL BLASS 
UZ 1-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2/2-FB 
UZ 3-FB 
UZ 4-FB-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB-OP 
UP 0/3 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 

DOC VIRTUAL 
WRATH 7 
WARSTRIKE 5 

DOG 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 

DOLE, SENATOR ROBERT BOB 
ULTRAF 2 

DOMINGO, EDDIE 
NMG 2-FB 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 1 
NIGHTMAN 2 
NIGHTMAN 5 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 10-FB 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 
NIGHTMAN 10 
NIGHTMAN 15 
NIGHTMAN 16 
NIGHTMAN 17 
NIGHTMAN 18 
NIGHTMAN 19 
NIGHTMAN 20 
NIGHTMAN 23 
NIGHTMANI 
NIGHTMAN2 1-FB 
NIGHTMAN2 2 
NIGHTMAN2 3 
NIGHTMAN2 4 
NMG 1 
NMG 2 
NMG 3 

DOMINGO, GRAMPS 
NIGHTMAN 16 

DOMINIQUE 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
WRATH 6 

DON CELINI 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 

DONNOS 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
MANTRA 14 


DORAN, OFFICER MAUREEN 
FREEX 1 

DOUBLE EDGE 
SOLITAIRE 7 

DOYLE, EDWIN 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
FREEX 4/2 
PROTOTYPE 3/2 

DRAGONFLY 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
PRIME2 9-BTS 

DROPKICK/TROY WILDE 
SOLUTION 7-FB 
SOLUTION 8-FB 
SOLUTION 0 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
SOLUTION 3 
SOLUTION 3~HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
HARDCASE 8 
SOLUTION 5-FB 
SOLUTION 5 
SOLUTION 6 
SOLUTION 7 
SOLUTION 8 
SOLUTION 9 
SOLUTION 10 
SOLUTION 11 
SOLUTION 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14-FB 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 
UP 11 
PR:R 

DUEY 
PRIME 1 
PRIME 2 
PRIME 3 
PRIME 8 
MANTRA 7 
PRIME @1 
PRIME @1 /2 
MANTRA 15 
PRIME 19-BTS 
PRIME 21 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 
POP 1 
PRIME 25 
POP 3 
POP 4 

DUGAN, CAPTAIN CHRISTOPHER 
NIGHTMAN 3 
STRANGERS 8 

DYATA 
RUNE 7-FB 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2 

EL GATO/JAVIER MELENDEZ 
GSRUNE 1 

ELAINE 
SOLITAIRE 10 

ELECTROCUTE/CANDY 
SOLUTION 6-FB 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 3~HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
FLOOD 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 11 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
UP 8/3 
STRANGERS 20 
STRANGERS 15 
STRANGERS 16 
STRANGERS 17 
ULTRAF 2 
STRANGERS 17 
STRANGERS 18 
STRANGERS 18~NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 

ELIMINATOR/ RICK PEARSON/ JACK BODICK 
ELIM 2-FB 
SIRENSP 1-FB 
UP 10 
UP 11 
ELIM 0 
ELIM 1 
ELIM 2 
ELIM 3 

ELVEN/ELVIA SWENSON 
ELVEN 1-FB-OP 
ELVEN 1-FB-OP 
ELVEN 1-FB 
UP 1/3 
UP 2/2 
UP 5/2 
ELVEN 0 
ELVEN 1 
ELVEN 2 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 
PRIME 26 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
ULTRAF 10 
POP 4 

EMALIA 
MANTRA 11-FB 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 

EMPIRE-7/TRANH 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 

ENTITY 
BT 1 
MANTRA 6 
PRIME 7 
BT 2 
STRANGERS 11 

ESQUIDA, DOCTOR VINCENT 
WRATH 1 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 

ETAN 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
GSMANTRA 1 /2 
MANTRA 13-BTS 

FARADAY, HEATHER 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

FAULKNER 
FIREARM 10 
FIREARM 11 

FELINE 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
UP 6/4 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
RUNE/SS 1 
GODWHEEL 3 

FIFI 
PRIME @1 
PRIME @1 /2 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 
POP 1 

FIREARM/ALEC SWAN 
FIREARM 0-FB 
FIREARM 10-FB 
NIGHTMAN 4/2-FB 
FIREARM 9-FB 
CODEFIRE 0/2 
CODEFIRE 1/2 
CODEFIRE 2/2 
FIREARM 0 
FIREARM 1 
FIREARM 2 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 
BT 1 
FIREARM 4 
BT 2 
FIREARM 5 
PRIME 9 
FIREARM 5 
FIREARM 6 
PRIME 10 
FIREARM 7-FB 
FIREARM 7 
FIREARM 8-FB 
FIREARM 8 
FIREARM 9-FB 
FIREARM 9 
FIREARM 10 
FIREARM 11 
FIREARM 12 
FIREARM 13 
FIREARM 14 
FIREARM 15-FB 
FIREARM 15-FB 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 
CODEFIRE 3/2 
CODEFIRE 4/2 
CODEFIRE 5/2 

FIREARM II/CHILL/JIMMY HITCH/PETER CORDOVA LOPEZ 
CODEFIRE 0-FB 
UZ 3/2-FB 
UZ 3/2 
CODEFIRE 1 
CODEFIRE 2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 
CODEFIRE 5 

FLEET 
ULTRAU 2 

FLYGIRL 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
UP 6/4 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 

FREDRIKO 
CODEFIRE 0 

FORSA/CARLOS JIMENEZ 
UZ 1-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2/2-FB 
UZ 3-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UP 0/3 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 

FOXEYE 
ULTRAU 2 

FOXFIRE 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 

FOXFIRE II/ROSE AUTUMN 
PR:A-FB 
FOXFIRE 4-FB 
PR:G 
PR:R 
PR:A 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 
FOXFIRE 3-FB 
FOXFIRE 3 
FOXFIRE 4 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 

FREEMAN, BARBARA 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 4 
PRIME 6-BTS 
MANTRA 5 
MANTRA 6 
MANTRA 7 
MANTRA 21-BTS 
MANTRA 11 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 16 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRAI-FB-BTS 

FROST, GABRIEL 
WH 1 

FROST, DOCTOR ZACARIAH 
WH1 FB 
WH 1 

GANGSTA 
STRANGERS 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 

GARRETT, BEN 
FIREARM 8 
FIREARM 12 

GARRETT, SAMUEL 
FIREARM 13 
FIREARM 17 

GATE 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
PR:G 
PR:R 

GECKO 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 18 

GEMINI/ERIK JOHNSON/NOEL ROBINSON 
Continued from Erik Johnson & Noel Robinson 
RUNE 5 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 8 
RUNE 9 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2 
CURSE 3 
CURSE 4 
RUNEI 
RUNE2 2/2 
RUNE2 1 
RUNE2 2 
RUNE2 3 
RUNE2 6 
RUNE2 7 
ULTRAU 2 

GENERATOR X/MATT 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 16 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 

GENIE 
RUNE 3-FB 
RUNE 1 
RUNE 2 
RUNE 3 
RUNE 4 
RUNE 5 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 
WRATH 5 
WRATH 6 
MANTRA 10 
GSWRATH 1 
ULTRAF 3 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2-FB 
CURSE 3 
CURSE 4 
EXI-BTS 
RUNEI 
SIRENSP 1 
RUNE2 6 
RUNE2 7 
ULTRAU 2 

GENIUS 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 21 

GERSTEIN,SOL 
HARDCASE 2 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 21 

GHOUL/JONATHAN MARTIN 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 
ULTRAF 0A 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 
ULTRAF 7 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9 
MANTRA 24 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
ULTRAF2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 
ULTRAF2 11/2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

GINGRICH, NEWT 
PRIME 25 

GITTLSOHN, GILES 
PRIME2 14-FB 
PRIME2 11 
PRIME2 12 
PRIME2 13 
PRIME2 14 
PRIME2 15 

GLARE/GERALD 
PROTOTYPE 0/3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 3 
PROTOTYPE 11 
EX2 11 

GLICK, JUDY 
PRIME 18 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 20 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 23 
PRIME 24 

GORMADA 
ULTRAU 2 

GREEN, JOE 
NIGHTMAN 4 

GREEN, RUSSELL 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 24-FB 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 3-FB 
PRIME 2 
PRIME 3 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 0.5-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 24-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 24-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 0.5-FB 
PRIME 5 
PRIME 6 
PRIME 8-FB 
PRIME 8 
FIREARM 5-BTS 
PRIME 9 
FIREARM 5 
FIREARM 6 
PRIME 11 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 24 
PRIME 25 
PRIME2 3 
PRIME2 9-FB 
PRIME2 9 
PRIME2 10 
PRIME2 12 
PRIME2 13 
PRIME2 14 
PRIME2 15 

GREEN, RUTH 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 24-FB 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 3-FB 
PRIME 2 
PRIME 3 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 0.5-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 6 
PRIME 8-FB 
PRIME 8 
PRIME 9 
FIREARM 5 
FIREARM 6 
PRIME 11 
MANTRA 23 
PRIME 0.5 
PRIME 11 
PRIME 13 
ULTRAF 0A 
PRIME 16 
MANTRA 15 
PRIME 17 
PRIME 18 
HARDCASE 16 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 20 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 23 
PRIME 24 
PRIME 25 
PRIMEI 
PRIME2 3 
PRIME2 9-FB 
P/CA 
PRIME2 6 
PRIME2 9 
PRIME2 10 
PRIME2 11 
PRIME2 12 
PRIME2 13 
PRIME2 14 
PRIME2 15 

GRENADE/HUGH FOX 
STRANGERS 19-FB 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 3~HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
FLOOD 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 11 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
UP 8/3 
STRANGERS 20 
STRANGERS 14 
STRANGERS 15 
STRANGERS 16 
STRANGERS 17 
ULTRAF 2 
STRANGERS 17 
FIREARM 17 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 
PR:G 

GRIP/GRANDEE, SAM 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
STRANGERS 19 

GROSS, DOCTOR VINCENT 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 24-FB 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 3-FB 
ELVEN 1-FB 
PRIME 1 
PRIME 2 
PRIME 3 
PRIME 8 
MANTRA 7 
PRIME @1 
PRIME @1 /2 
MANTRA 15 
PRIME 21 
POP 1 
PRIME 25-BTS 
POP 3 
POP 4 


GUISE 
MANTRA 8 

GUNK 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
PRIME2 9-BTS 

GUN NUT/RAY 
HARDCASE 22-FB 
HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 20 
PR:G 
PR:R 

HAKELDAMA 
FIREARM 0 

HAMATH 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 3 

HARDAWAY, DOCTOR PHILLIP 
PRIME 18 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 23 
PRIME 24 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 26 
PRIMEI 

HARDCASE/TOM HAWKE 
FREEX 7/2 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 1-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2/2-FB 
UZ 3-FB 
UZ 4-FB-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UP 0/3 
UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB 
SOLUTION 6-FB 
PRIME 1-FB 
HARDCASE 1 
HARDCASE 2 
HARDCASE:PE 
HARDCASE 2 
HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 3~STRANGERS 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
FLOOD 
FIREARM 2 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 7~SOLUTION 3 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 10-FB 
HARDCASE 9-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 9 
HARDCASE 10-FB 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 
HARDCASE 13 
HARDCASE 14 
ULTRAF 0A 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 2 ~ FREEX 14 
ULTRAF 2 
PRIME 16 
PRIME @1 
PRIME @1 /2 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 
HARDCASE 15 
HARDCASE 16 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 18 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
RUNE/SS 1 
GODWHEEL 3 
HARDCASE 20 
PRIME 21 
HARDCASE 21 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 
HARDCASE 22 
HARDCASE 23 
UP 4-FB 
HARDCASE 24 
HARDCASE 25 
HARDCASE 26 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
ULTRAF2 14-FB 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

HARDIN, HENRY 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 16 

HARDIN, GRACE 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 16 

HARDWIRE 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 
HARDCASE 14 
HARDCASE 15 
HARDCASE 16 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 21 
EX2 11 

HARMONICA 
SOLUTION 3 
SOLUTION 10 
SOLUTION 11 
SOLUTION 12 

HARRISON, DOCTOR PONTIAC 
ELVEN 1 
ELVEN 2 
ELVEN 3 

HARVEST 
EX2 5 

HASTINGS 
PROTOTYPE 0/4-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14 

HAWKE, TOM II 
PR:A-FB 
PR:G 
PR:R 
EX2 4 
PR:A 

HAWKINS, HENRIETTA 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 

HEAD KNOCKER/ LARRY PRYCE 
UZ 1-FB 
HARDCASE 1 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 
EX2 11 

HEATER 
PROTOTYPE 3 

HELLBLADE/JEFFERSON KOTTO 
EX2 3/2-FB 
EX2 3 
EX2 1 
EX2 2 
EX2 3 
EX2 4 
SIRENSP 1 
EX2 5 
EX2 5/2 
EX2 6 
EX2 7 
EX2 8 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

HELLBLADE | FUTURE 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 

HELLION 
WRATH 1 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 5 

HERNANDEZ, CARLOS 
UP 10 
ELIM 1 
ELIM 2 
ELIM 3 

HIRUKO 
PRIME2 5 

HITCH, PETER 
CODENAME 1-FB 

HOLMAN 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 8 
UP 8/4 
WRATH 9 

HOMEBRINGER 
POP 2-FB 
POP 1 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 26 
POP 3 
POP 4 

HOT ROX/ROXANNE 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

HUNT, AMBER 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 
BT 1 
FIREARM 4 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 2 
BSI 
EXI 
EX2 1 
EXVX 0 
EX2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
EX2 2 
EX2 3 
EX2 4 
SIRENSP 1 
EX2 5 
EX2 5/2 
EX2 6 
EX2 7 
EX2 8 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 
AOD 1-FB 

HUNT, GAIUS JULIUS GUY 
NIGHTMAN 3-FB 
NIGHTMAN 2 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 9 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 

HUNT, J.D. 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
SOLUTION 6-FB 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3 
HARDCASE 3 
NIGHTMAN 2 
PROTOTYPE 5 
NIGHTMAN 3 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 
NIGHTMAN 10 
UP 4/2-BTS 
UP 6/2-BTS 
UP 7/3 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 
PROTOTYPE 13 
NIGHTMAN 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
NIGHTMAN 12 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 13 
SOLITAIRE 10 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18-FB 
MANTRA 17 
PRIME 19 
MANTRA 18 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 
HARDCASE 24 
ULTRAF2 5-BTS 
ULTRAF2 6-BTS 
ULTRAF2 7 

HUNTER, MORGAN 
WRATH 1 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 6 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 9 

HUSKIN, JOE 
UZ 1-FB 

HWA, DOCTOR 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 

HYBRID/ SIMON CARTHAN 
MANTRA 24 

IAGO 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
LP/NM 1/2 

INCOMING 
SOLUTION 14-FB 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 14 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 

IONE 
RUNE2 5-FB 
RUNE2 6-FB 

IRIS 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 10 
SOLITAIRE 11 

IRON CLAD/SPENCER COLLINS 
UP 5/3-FB 
UP 6-FB 
UP 7-FB 
UP 5/3 
UP 6 
UP 7 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

ISRAEL 
SOLITAIRE 3 
SOLITAIRE 4 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 6 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 
SOLITAIRE 10 

JACK DANCER 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 3 
FOXFIRE 4 

JAFFREY, AGENT 
FIREARM 2/2 
MANTRA 4/2 
SOLUTION 2/2-BTS 

JANUS 
RUNE 6 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 8 
RUNE 9 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2 
CURSE 3 

JENSEN,PETE 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 4-FB-BTS 
UZ 4-FB 

JIMMY THE GEEK 
SOLITAIRE 3-FB 
SOLITAIRE 2-BTS 
SOLITAIRE 3 

JINN 
UDF 1 /2-FB 
SOLITAIRE 3-FB 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
SOLITAIRE 2 
HARDCASE 8/2 
SOLITAIRE 4 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 6 
SOLITAIRE 7 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 
SOLITAIRE 10 
SOLITAIRE 11 
SOLITAIRE 12 

JOHANSEN, DAN 
SLUDGE 5-FB 
SLUDGE 5-FB 
SLUDGE 5 

JOHNSON, ERIK 
MANTRA 4/2 
SOLUTION 2/2 
RUNE 1 
RUNE 2 
RUNE 3 
RUNE 4 
RUNE 5 
Continues as GEMINI 

JOLLY ROGER 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 18 

JOLON 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 

JONES, LUCY 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 

JONTOR 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
GSMANTRA 1 /2 

K-6 
CURSE 4 

KAPLAN, NANCY 
HARDCASE 1 
HARDCASE 6 

KARR 
HARDCASE 13 
UP 7/2-FB 
UP 9 

KATINYA 
MANTRA 1 

KENDALL, ROBERT 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
WRATH 6-FB 
WRATH 6 
WRATH 7 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 8 
UP 8/4 
WRATH 9 

KHAMUUI 
ULTRAU 2 

KILROY 
UZ 2/2-FB 
UZ 2/2 

KING PLEASURE 
SOLITAIRE 1 

KINGLSEY, CHARLEY 
FIREARM 12 

KISMET DEADLY 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 

KLEIN, SCOTT 
MANTRA 21 
MANTRAI-FB 
MANTRA2 1 
MANTRA2 4-BTS 
MANTRA2 5 
MANTRA2 6 
MANTRA2 7 

KLINE, MITSY 
WARSTRIKE 3-FB 
WARSTRIKE 2 

KLINE, SENATOR ALAN 
WARSTRIKE 1-FB 
WARSTRIKE 3 
WARSTRIKE 4 

KORT, MALCOLM 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

KOROD 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 

KORUNO 
STRANGERS 12-FB 

KRAMER 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 

KRISTEN 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
WRATH 6 
GSWRATH 1 
UP 8/4 
WRATH 9 

KRONSTEIN 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 

KUTT/KUTTNER, JUSTIN 
HARDCASE 1 
PRIME 11 
PRIME 12 
PRIME 13 
PRIME 13/2-FB 

KWILL 
ULTRAU 2 

KYLE 
WARSTRIKE 1 
WARSTRIKE 4 
WARSTRIKE 5 

KYRON/MARTIN 
UP 1-FB 
UP2/3-FB 
UP 2/3-FB 
RIPFIRE 0-FB 
EX2 11 

LADY KILLER/ELENA LABRAVA 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 3~HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
FLOOD 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 11 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
UP 4/2 
UP 6/2 
UP 7/3 
STRANGERS 20 
STRANGERS 15 
STRANGERS 16 
STRANGERS 17 
ULTRAF 2 
STRANGERS 17 
PRIME 21 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 23 
STRANGERS 24 
PR:G 

LAKE, DORIS 
SOLUTION 5-FB 

LALAMA, DOCTOR FERDINAND 
SLUDGE 11 

LAMENT/ SARAH WALKS UNSEEN 
ULTRAF2 10/2-FB 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1A 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 
ULTRAF2 8-FB-BTS 
ULTRAF2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
ULTRAF2 10/2 

LANDON, RUSTY 
PROTOTYPE 9 

LASH/ELVIS COLBY 
FIREARM 6 
FIREARM 12 

LAQUITA 
UP 10 
UP 11 
ELIM 0 
ELIM 1 
ELIM 2 
ELIM 3 

LELAND, STANLEY 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/4-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/3-FB 
PRIME 1-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/5-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/5 
PROTOTYPE 18-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0 
PROTOTYPE 1 
MANTRA 7/2 
FLOOD 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3 
PROTOTYPE 4 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
PROTOTYPE 6 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 8 
PROTOTYPE 9 
PROTOTYPE 10 
PROTOTYPE 12 
PROTOTYPE 15 
PROTOTYPE 16 
PROTOTYPE 17 

LEOPOLD 
STRANGERS 4 
STRANGERS 8 

LIBERTY 
PRIME 5 
PRIME 6 
PRIME 8 
PRIME 9 
FIREARM 6 
PRIME 10 
P/CA-FB 
P/CA 

LIGHTSHOW/RIKKI 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 16 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 

LILA 
MANTRA 9 
MANTRA 21 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 
MANTRA 17 

LONE, ANTON 
SOLITAIRE 11-FB 
SOLITAIRE 2-FB 
UDF 1 /2-FB 
SOLITAIRE 11-FB 
SOLITAIRE 3-FB 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
SOLITAIRE 2-BTS 
HARDCASE 8/2 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 6 
PRIME 12-BTS 
SOLITAIRE 7 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 
SOLITAIRE 10 
SOLITAIRE 11 
SOLITAIRE 12 

LONE, MRS. 
SOLITAIRE 2-FB 
UDF 1 /2-FB 

LONNY 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 

LOPEZ, MARY LUCILLE/MARILU 
CODEFIRE 0 
CODEFIRE 2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 
CODEFIRE 5 

LOPEZ, PETER JR. 
CODEFIRE 0 
CODEFIRE 2 
CODEFIRE 3 
CODEFIRE 4 
CODEFIRE 5 

LORD PUMPKIN 
LP/NM 3/2-FB 
UP 3/3 
LP/NM 3/2-FB 
SLUDGE 3 
SLUDGE 5 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 
PUMP 0 
GSWARSTRIKE 1 /2 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
LP/NM 1/2 
LP/NM 2/2 
LP/NM 3/2 
LP/NM 4 
NIGHTMAN2 3 
NIGHTMAN2 4 
PRIME2 14 
PRIME2 15 

LOST ANGEL 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 8 
FREEX 16 

LOVECRAFT 
CODEFIRE 3/2 
CODEFIRE 4/2 

LUKAS 
FIREARM 9 
FIREARM 12 

LYNCH, DARREN 
FIREARM 13 

LYRA 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
GSMANTRA 1 /2 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 

MAC 
UP 10 
ELIM 0 
ELIM 1 
ELIM 2 
ELIM 3 

MACE 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 

MACTAVISH, PROFESSOR 
FIREARM 10-FB 
FIREARM 11 

MADAME MINUETTE 
NIGHTMAN 8 


MALICK, AGENT 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 

MANGLE/JEREMIAH STURM 
NIGHTMAN 3-FB 
NIGHTMAN 2 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
NIGHTMAN2 3 
NIGHTMAN2 4 

MANHATTAN PROJECT 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 10 
PROTOTYPE 14 
PRIME 18 

MANIC 
UP 10 
UP 11 
ELIM 0 

MANNEQUIN/ ANTHONY HERNANDEZ/ BRIAN MARMOUNT 
ELIM 1 
ELIM 2 
ELIM 3 

MANTRA/LUKASZ/EDEN BLAKE 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 3 
UP 0/4 
MANTRA 3 
PRIME 4 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 5 
MANTRASOD 1 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
MANTRA 6 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
PRIME 8 
MANTRA 7 
PRIME 9 
MANTRA 23 
WRATH 1 
WRATH 2 
MANTRA 8 
MANTRA 9 
MANTRA 21 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
STRANGERS 13-FB 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
GSMANTRA 1-FB~ULTRAF 0B 
RUNE 6 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
GSMANTRA 1 
GSMANTRA 1 /2 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 14-FB 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 8 
UP 8/4 
WRATH 9 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18-FB-BTS 
MANTRA 17 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
RUNE/SS 1 
GODWHEEL 3 
RUNE/SS 1 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 20-FB 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 20 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 
UZ 1/2 
MANTRASOD 1 
MANTRASOD 2 
MANTRA 22 
MANTRA 24 
MANTRAI-FB 
MANTRAI 
MANTRA2 1 
MANTRA2 2 
MANTRA2 3 
MANTRA2 4 
MANTRA2 5 
ULTRAF2 11/2 

MANTRA II/EDEN BLAKE 
UZ 1 /2-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 6 
MANTRA 10 
GSMANTRA 1 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18-FB 
MANTRA 17 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 20-FB 
MANTRA 19 

MANTRA III/ LAUREN SHERWOOD 
MANTRA 21 
MANTRA 14 
U/A 
MANTRAI-FB 
MANTRAI 
MANTRA2 1 
MANTRA2 2 
MANTRA2 3 
MANTRA2 4 
MANTRA2 5 
MANTRA2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
MANTRA2 6 
MANTRA2 7 

MARCELLO, JOHN PAUL 
SLUDGE 1-FB 
SLUDGE 2 
SLUDGE 3 
SLUDGE 5 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8-BTS 

MARCUS 
WRATH 1 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 

MARGULIES, TERRI 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE:RX 

MARINNA 
MANTRA 19-FB 

MARKHAM, ADAM 
MANTRASOD 1 
MANTRASOD 2 

MARLEY 
FIREARM 1 

MARMOUNT, BRIAN 
ELIM 2-FB 
(CONTINUED AS MANNEQUIN) 

MARS 
CODEFIRE 0 

MASTER OF THE HUNT 
FREEX 3 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 5 

MASTER AKIO OSHI 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 8 
RUNE 9 

MASTODON/TIMOTHY HALLORAN 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 

MAXI-MAN/ WILEY WOLF 
ELVEN 2-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 5 
MANTRA 5 
MANTRA 21 
ELVEN 1 
ELVEN 2 

MAXWELL, BRENT 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 5 

MAYER, KAY 
SOLUTION 5-FB 

MAYOR LOMAN 
NIGHTMAN 8 

MAXIS 
EX2 8 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

M.C. ZED 
STRANGERS 20-FB 
STRANGERS 20 

MCCULLUM, MACK 
SLUDGE:RX-FB 
SLUDGE:RX 

MCCULLUM, MARY 
SLUDGE:RX-FB 
SLUDGE:RX 

MEATHOOK 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 24 
PR:G 
PR:R 

MEAT RACK/ OLEG KUPOV 
ULTRAF2 2/2 

MODEUS 
WRATH 1 
WRATH 2 

MOLOCH 
EX2 6 

MONKEY WOMAN 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
SOLITAIRE 2-BTS 
SOLITAIRE 3 
SOLITAIRE 4 
HARDCASE 8/2 
SOLITAIRE 4 

MOON-MAN 
SOLITAIRE 2 

MORDECAI 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
MANTRA 14 

MORNING STAR/MARIAH 
FOXFIRE 4-FB 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 3 
FOXFIRE 4 

MORTEN 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 3 

MOTO 
FIREARM 1 
FIREARM 6 
FIREARM 7-FB 

MR. DESTRUCTO/MATT MAPLE 
HARDCASE:PE 

MR. MISCHIEF 
SLUDGE 12-FB 
PUMP 0 
ELVEN 4 

MURPHY, DOCTOR 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 

MURTA 
GODWHEEL 2-FB 

MUSTANG/RODERICK HARTLEY 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

MUSTANG II/CAL DEAN 
FOXFIRE 2 
FOXFIRE 3 
FOXFIRE 4 

NAIAD 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 6 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 
EX2 11 

NAYLOR, CHASE 
SLUDGE 1 

NECROMANTRA/IRON KNIGHT/THANASI/MARINNA 
MANTRA 19-FB 
LP/NM 1-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 5-BTS 
MANTRA 9 
MANTRA 16 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18-FB 
MANTRA 17 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19 
LP/NM 1 
LP/NM 2 
LP/NM 3 
LP/NM 4 
MANTRA2 2 
MANTRA2 3 
MANTRA2 4 
PR:G 

NEEDLER 
HARDCASE 22-FB 
HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 20 

NEGRESCO 
BT 1 
BT 2 

NEILSEN, ADAM 
NIGHTMAN 2 

NELCON 
MANTRA 20 

NEMESIS 
ULTRAF 10-FB 
ELIM 3 
ULTRAF 9-FB 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
BSI 

NERO 
WARSTRIKE 1 

NEURONNE 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 24 

NIGHT MAN/JOHNNY DOMINO 
NMG 2-FB 
HARDCASE:PE 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 1 
NIGHTMAN 2 
BT 1 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
BT 2 
NIGHTMAN 4 
NIGHTMAN 5 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 
NIGHTMAN 10 
NIGHTMAN 11 
NIGHTMAN 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13-BTS 
SOLUTION 13-BTS 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14-FB 
NIGHTMAN 13 
FIREARM 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 16 
FIREARM 17 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
NIGHTMAN 15 
NIGHTMAN 16-FB 
NIGHTMAN 16 
NIGHTMAN 17 
NIGHTMAN 18 
NIGHTMAN 19 
NIGHTMAN 20 
NIGHTMAN 21 
NIGHTMAN 22 
ULTRAF 10 
NIGHTMANI-FB 
NIGHTMAN 23 
U/A 
NIGHTMANI 
NMVW 0 
NMG 1 
NMG 2 
NMG 3 

NIGHT MAN II/JOHHNY DOMINO 
NIGHTMAN 22 
ULTRAF 10 
NIGHTMAN 23 
U/A 
NIGHTMANI 
NIGHTMAN2 1-FB 
NIGHTMAN2 1 
NIGHTMAN2 2 
NIGHTMAN2 3 
NIGHTMAN2 4 
NIGHTMAN2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
NMG 1 
NMG 2 
NMG 3 

NIKO 
UP 1 /2 
UP 2 
UP 3/2 

NIRITA 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 

NM-E 
HARDCASE 26-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UP 0/3 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 14 
HARDCASE 15 
HARDCASE 16 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 18 
HARDCASE 19 
HARDCASE 21 
HARDCASE 26 
PR:G 

NM-E II 
MANTRA2 3 
MANTRA2 4 
MANTRA2 5 

NOTCH 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 8 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA 14 
MANTRA 15 

NYTEFLYT 
ULTRAU 2 

OGMA 
GODWHEEL 2-FB 

OGRE 
WRATH 7 

OLD MAN 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 8 
FREEX 9 
FREEX 11 
PRIME 13/2 
GSFREEX 1 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 16 

OPAL 
ULTRAF 3-FB 
GSMANTRA 1 /2 
MANTRA 13 

OPERATOR/SANDRA TRENT 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 19 

ORGANISM 8 
PRIME 2 
PRIME 3 
PRIME @1 

ORGANISM 0.9B 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE 11 
FIREARM 14 

OUTRAGE/VURK 
SOLUTION 8-FB 
SOLUTION 0 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
SOLUTION 3 
SOLUTION 3~HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
HARDCASE 8 
SOLUTION 5-FB 
SOLUTION 6-BTS 
SOLUTION 7-BTS 
SOLUTION 8 
SOLUTION 9 
SOLUTION 10 
SOLUTION 11 
SOLUTION 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13-BTS 
SOLUTION 13-BTS ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13-BTS 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 
PR:R 

OVERLORD 
MANTRA 20-FB 
MANTRA 20 

OYABUN 
UP 10/4 
UP 11/4 
PRIME2 5 

PAINKILLER | FUTURE 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 

PATEL 
FIREARM 10 
FIREARM 11 

PAPA VERITE 
PRIME 14 
PRIME 15 

PETERS, RUSSELL 
NIGHTMAN 1 
NIGHTMAN 4 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 7 
NIGHTMAN 17 
NIGHTMAN 18 
NIGHTMAN 19-FB 

PHADE 
PRIME 20 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 23 
PRIME 24 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 25~POP 1 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 26 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
PRIMEI 
PRIME2 1 
PRIME2 2 
PRIME2 3 
PRIME2 4 
PRIME2 9 
PRIME2 10 
PRIME2 13 

PIERCE 
WRATH 7 

PINNACLE/PENNY 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18-FB 
MANTRA 17 
MANTRA 18 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 20 

PISTOL 
SLUDGE:RX-FB 
SLUDGE 3 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 
SLUDGE:RX 

PIXX/PENNY BURKA 
GSFREEX 1/2 
UP 6/4 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
ULTRAF 0A 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 

PLANET CLASS/HECTOR ORTIZ 
PRIME 11 
PRIME 12 
PRIME 13 
PRIME 13/2-FB 

PLATT, DOUGLAS 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 8 
PROTOTYPE 10 
PROTOTYPE 14 

PLUG/MICHAEL RAFANI 
FREEX 11-FB 
FREEX 2-FB 
FREEX 11-FB 
FREEX 1-FB-BTS 
UP 0/5-BTS 
FREEX 1 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
PRIME 8/2 
FLOOD 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 5 
BT 1 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
BT 2 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 8 
FREEX 9 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
PRIME 13/2 
GSFREEX 1 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
UP 9/3-FB 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17-BTS 
FREEX 18-BTS 

PONG 
SLUDGE 6 

POWERHOUSE/KENNETH SINCLAIR 
STRANGERS 14-FB 
STRANGERS 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 

PRESSURE/VALERIE SHARP 
FREEX 7-FB 
FREEX 1-FB 
UP 0/5 
FREEX 1 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
PRIME 8/2 
FLOOD 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 5 
BT 1 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
BT 2 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 8 
FREEX 9 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
PRIME 13/2 
GSFREEX 1 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
UP 9/3-FB 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15-BTS 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 3 
FREEX 18 
HARDCASE 21 
PR:G 

PRIME/KEVIN GREEN 
PRIME 11-FB 
UP 0/3 
PRIME 4-FB 
PRIME 3-FB 
UP 0 
PRIME 1-FB 
PRIME 1-FB 
UP 3 
UP 4 
PRIME 1 
PRIME 2 
PRIME 3 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 0.5-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 24-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 24-FB 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 0.5-FB 
FLOOD 
PRIME 4 
PRIME 5 
PRIME 6 
BT 1 
PRIME 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PRIME 8 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PRIME 8 
MANTRA 7 
PRIME 9 
PRIME 10 
FIREARM 6 
PRIME 10 
PRIME 0.5-FB 
PRIME 11 
MANTRA 23 
PRIME 0.5 
PRIME 11 
PRIME 12 
PRIME 13 
PRIME 13/2-FB 
PRIME 13/2 
GSFREEX 1 
FREEX 12 
PRIME 14 
PRIME 15-FB 
PRIME 15 
UP 5/2 
ELVEN 0 
ULTRAF 0A 
ULTRAF 0AB 
ULTRAF 0B~ GSMANTRA 1-FB 
RUNE 6 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 2 ~ FREEX 14 
ULTRAF 2 
PRIME 16 
PRIME @1 
PRIME @1 /2 
MANTRA 15 
MANTRA 16 
PRIME 17 
PRIME 18 
SLUDGE 12 
UP 8 
WRATH 9 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 
UDF 1 
HARDCASE 16 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 18 
HARDCASE 19 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 20 
PRIME 21-FB 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 23 
PRIME 24 
HARDCASE 21 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 
ELVEN 1 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9 
MANTRA 24 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 25~POP 1 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 26 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
ULTRAF 10 
POP 4 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
PVH 0 
PRIMEI-FB 
PRIMEI 
PRIME2 1 
PRIME2 2 
PRIME2 3 
PRIME2 4 
PRIME2 9-FB 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
PRIME2 5 
PRIME2 2/2 
ULTRAF2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
P/CA 
RVV 
PRIME2 6 
PRIME2 7 
PRIME2 8 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 
PRIME2 9 
PRIME2 10 
ULTRAF2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
PRIME2 11-FB 
ULTRAF2 10 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
PRIME2 11 
PRIME2 12 
PRIME2 13 
PRIME2 14 
PRIME2 15 
ULTRAF2 15 

PRIME II 
PRIMEI 
PRIME2 1 
PRIME2 2 
PRIME2 3 
PRIME2 4 

PRIME | FUTURE 
UFS 1 
ULTRA2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 

PRIMEVIL/ BYRON 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 23 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 
MANTRA 22 

PRIMOGENITOR 
POP 2-FB 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 

PROJECT PATRIOT/THAYER 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 8 

PROMETHEUS 
FREEX 18-FB 

PROTOTYPE/RANGER/BOB CAMPBELL 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 1-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTYPE 8-FB 
PRIME 1-FB 
PROTOTYPE 8-FB 
PRIME 1-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/4-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/3-FB 
MANTRA 7/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 1-FB 
PRIME 1-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/4-FB 
PROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 3 
PROTOTYPE 4 
PROTOTYPE 5 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 8 
PROTOTYPE 10 
UP 9/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 10 
PROTOTYPE 11 
PROTOTYPE 12 
PROTOTYPE 13 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1-FB 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 ~ SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14-FB 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 /2 
UP 9/2 
UP 10/4 
UP 11/4 
PROTOTYPE 14 
PROTOTYPE 15 
PROTOTYPE 17 
U/A 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
ULTRAF2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1A 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 
ULTRAF2 8-FB 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 10 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

PROTOTYPE II/JIMMY RUIZ 
PROTOTYPE 18-FB 
PROTOTYPE 16-FB 
MANTRA 7/2-FB 
PROTOTYPE 18-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/5-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0/5 
PROTOTYPE 18-FB 
PROTOTYPE 1 
PRIME 3 
PRIME 4 
FLOOD 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3 
PROTOTYPE 4 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PRIME 8 
PROTOTYPE 6 
ULTRAF 0B 
ULTRAF 1 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 8 
PROTOTYPE 9 
PROTOTYPE 10 
PROTOTYPE 11 
PROTOTYPE 12 
UP 6/3 
PROTOTYPE 13 
WARSTRIKE 5 
PROTOTYPE 13 
WARSTRIKE 5 
PROTOTYPE 13 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1-FB 
SOLUTION 13 
SOLITAIRE 10 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14-FB 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 2 ~ FREEX 14 
ULTRAF 2 
PROTOTYPE 14 
PROTOTYPE 15 
PROTOTYPE 16 
PROTOTYPE 17 
PROTOTYPE 18 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9 
MANTRA 24 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
PR:G 

PROTOTYPE III/ENGINE OF DESTRUCTION/DONOVAN JONES 
PROTOTYPE 9 
PROTOTYPE 10 
PROTOTYPE 11 
PROTOTYPE 12 
PROTOTYPE 15 
PROTOTYPE 16 

PROTOTYPE 2000/GORDON BELL 
PROTOTYPE 0-FB 
PROTOTYPE 1-FB 
PROTOTYPE 5 
PROTOTYPE 12 
UP 6/3 
PROTOTYPE 13 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1-FB 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14-FB 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 

PRUETT, ALVIN 
FIREARM 14 
FIREARM 15-FB 
FIREARM 15 

POLANSKI, CHESTER 
UP 10/3-FB 
UP 11/3 

PYROTIC/HELEN VOLCANO 
ULTRAF2 5-BTS 
ULTRAF2 6 

QUALAERO 
AOD 1 

QUAR 
SOLUTION 0 

QUENTIN 
UP 2 
UP 3/2 

QUINN, DETECTIVE NIALL 
SLUDGE 2 
BT 1 
SLUDGE 3 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 

QUIXOTE 
WARSTRIKE 2 
WARSTRIKE 3 

QUNE/JERALD DRAGOON 
EX2 1 
EX2 3 

RADLEY 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 

RAFFERTY 
FIREARM 16-FB 
UP 5/3 
FIREARM 12 
FIREARM 13 
WARSTRIKE 6-FB 
WARSTRIKE 6 
FIREARM 13 
FIREARM 14 
STRANGERS 17 
FIREARM 15-FB 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FREEX 15 
PRIME 20 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FIREARM 16 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 

RAINS, DOCTOR 
BT 1 
BT 2 

RAMON 
FIREARM 5 

RAMON II 
FIREARM 9 
FIREARM 12 

RANADAR 
LP/NM 1 
LP/NM 2 

RASPUTIN 
NIGHTMAN2 2 

RAYDER, GENERAL HOLDEN 
RUNE 2-FB 
RUNE 3-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB 
RUNE 1 
RUNE 2 
RUNE 3 
RUNE 4 
RUNE 5 

REESE, STAN 
SLUDGE 4 

REX MUNDI 
HARDCASE 26-FB 
HARDCASE 26-FB ~ U/A 
HARDCASE 26-FB 
ULTRAF 3-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UP 0/3 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB-BTS 
HARDCASE 22-FB 
HARDCASE 1 
HARDCASE 3 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
HARDCASE 5 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 14 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
ULTRAF 3 
HARDCASE 15 
HARDCASE 16 
HARDCASE 17 
HARDCASE 18 
HARDCASE 19 
HARDCASE 20 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
HARDCASE 22 
HARDCASE 23 
HARDCASE 24 
HARDCASE 25 
HARDCASE 26 
PR:G 
PR:R 

RHIANNON/RITA DIAMOND 
NMG 2-FB 
NIGHTMAN 1 
NIGHTMAN 4 
NIGHTMAN 5 
NIGHTMAN 13-FB 
NIGHTMAN 8-BTS 
NIGHTMAN 9-BTS 
NIGHTMAN 12 
NIGHTMAN 13 
UP 11/2 
NIGHTMAN 23 
NIGHTMANI 
NIGHTMAN2 1 
NMG 1 
NMG 2 
NMG 3 

RIDLIN, DOCTOR LILITH 
UP 10/3-FB 
UP 10/3 
UP 11/3 

RIGHT MAN 
FIREARM 11 
FIREARM 12 

RIGOLETTO/ED ROBINSON 
NIGHTMAN 15-FB 
NIGHTMAN 15 

RILEY, JOHN 
HARDCASE 7 

RINALDO, COLONEL ROBERTO 
PRIME2 12-FB 
PRIME2 14-FB 
PRIME2 11 
PRIME2 12 
PRIME2 13 
PRIME2 14 

RIORDAN 
ELVEN 1 
ELVEN 3 
ELVEN 4 

RIPFIRE/ CHIARR/ MATTHEW 
UP 1-FB 
UP 2/3-FB 
UP 2/3-FB 
RIPFIRE 0-FB 
UP 1 
UP 2/3 
RIPFIRE 0 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

ROCKET 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 

ROBINSON, GINGER 
NIGHTMAN 15-FB 
NIGHTMAN 1 
NIGHTMAN 15-FB 

ROBINSON, NOEL 
RUNE 1 
RUNE 2 
RUNE 3 
RUNE 4 
RUNE 5 
Continues as GEMINI 

RODENT/COREY 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 16 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
STRANGERS @1 

ROGERS, SHELLY 
SLUDGE 4 
SLUDGE 5 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE 11 

ROME, CAPTAIN JACOB 
FREEX 1 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
FREEX 4 
STRANGERS 5 
FREEX 7 
NIGHTMAN 8 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA2 5 
MANTRA2 6 

RUBY 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 5 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 16 

RUIZ, GIL 
FIREARM 12 

RUNE 
GSRUNE 1 /2 
CONAN 4/2 
CVR 1 
CTS 4 
ULTRAU 2-FB 
FREEX 17 
PRIME 5/2 
RUNE 7-FB 
RHOD 1/2 
RHOD 2/2 
RHOD 3/2 
RUNE2 4-FB 
RUNE2 5-FB 
RUNE2 5-FB-FB 
RUNE2 5-FB 
RUNE2 5-FB-FB 
RUNE2 5-FB-FB 
RUNE2 5-FB 
NIGHTMAN 1/2 
HARDCASE 5/2 
UZ 2/2 
SLUDGE 1/2 
FREEX 4/2 
PROTOTYPE 3/2 
STRANGERS 5/2 
EX 3/2 
FIREARM 2/2 
MANTRA 4/2 
SOLUTION 2/2 
RUNE 1 
RUNE 2 
RUNE 3 
RUNE 4 
RUNE 5 
BT 1 
BT 2 
RUNE 6 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 7 
RUNE 8 
RUNE 9 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
RUNE/SS 1 
GODWHEEL 3 
RUNE/SS 1 
RUNE/SS 1 ~ RUNE/SS 1/2 
RUNE/SS 1/2 
RUNE/SS 1 ~ RUNE/SS 1/2 
RUNE/SS 1 
RUNE/SS 1 ~ RUNE/SS 1/2 
RUNE/SS 1 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2 
CURSE 3 
CURSE 4 
RUNEI 
RUNE2 1 
RUNE2 3 
RUNE2 4 
RUNE2 5 
RVV-FB 
RVV 
RHOD 1 
RHOD 2 
RHOD 3 

RUSH/ JOHN ROME 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
UP 5 
MANTRA2 5 
MANTRA2 6 
MANTRA2 7 
PRIME2 10 

SABATINI, VITTORIO 
SLUDGE 1-FB 
SLUDGE 2 
SLUDGE 3 
SLUDGE 5 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 

SALVIE 
SLUDGE 1 
SLUDGE 2 

SAMUELS, COLONEL 
PRIME 11-FB 
PRIME 5 
PRIME 6 
BT 1 
PRIME 8 
MANTRA 7 
PRIME 9 
PRIME 10 
FIREARM 6 
PRIME 10 

SANDBLAST/RALPH 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 18 

SANDERS, CLIVE 
FIREARM 10 
FIREARM 12 

SANGRE 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 18 

SANDRA K. 
FIREARM 10 
FIREARM 12 

SAPPHIRE 
GSMANTRA 1 /2 
MANTRA 13 

SARN, DOCTOR 
MANTRASOD 1 
MANTRASOD 2 
MANTRA2 4 

SARNA 
GODWHEEL 2-FB 

SAUNDERS, DEONNA 
SOLITAIRE 3 
SOLITAIRE 4 

SAUNDERS, KYLE 
SOLUTION 6-FB 

SAVIOR 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15-BTS 
FREEX 16-BTS 
FREEX 18-BTS 

SCAR 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 18 

SHADOWMAGE/AERA 
SOLUTION 12-FB 
SOLUTION 7-FB 
SOLUTION 8-FB 
SOLUTION 0 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
SOLUTION 3 
SOLUTION 3~HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
HARDCASE 8 
SOLUTION 5-FB 
HARDCASE 14 
SOLUTION 6-BTS 
SOLUTION 7-BTS 
SOLUTION 8 
SOLUTION 9 
SOLUTION 10 
SOLUTION 11 
SOLUTION 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13-BTS 
SOLUTION 13-BTS ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 
HARDCASE 24 
PR:R 

SHADRACK, ERNIE 
FIREARM 1 
FIREARM 8-FB-BTS 

SHINE, CHANTEL 
ULTRAF2 5 

SHINE, SENATOR ROBERT 
ULTRAF2 5-FB 
ULTRAF2 5 

SHOAT 
PRIME 20 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 23 
PRIME 24 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 26 
PRIMEI 
P/CA-FB 
P/CA 
PRIME2 9 
PRIME2 13 

SHR DRATH 
ULTRAU 2 

SHRECK 
CODEFIRE 3/2 
CODEFIRE 4/2 
CODEFIRE 5/2 

SHURIKEN/ BRITTANY CHIEN 
ULTRAF 6 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2-FB 
CURSE 2 
CURSE 3 
CURSE 4 
EXI 
EX2 1 
EXVX 0 
PR:R 
EX2 2 
EX2 3 
EX2 4 
SIRENSP 1 
EX2 5 
EX2 5/2 
EX2 6 
EX2 7 
EX2 8 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
AOD 1-FB 

SILAS 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
MANTRA 14 

SILENCE 
FIREARM 17-FB 

SINGH, JASVINDER 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 3-FB 
UZ 4-FB 

SIREN/ JEN PEARSON 
SIRENSP 1-FB 
ELIM 1 
ELIM 2 
ELIM 3 
ULTRAF 8-FB 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
SIRENI 
SIREN 1 
SIREN 2 
SIREN 3 
SIRENSP 1 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 

SIXX 
EX2 5/2 

SLATER, GRACE 
FIREARM 8 
FIREARM 11 
FIREARM 15 
FIREARM 18 

SLATER, PENNY 
FIREARM 8 
FIREARM 11 
FIREARM 14 
FIREARM 15 
FIREARM 17 
FIREARM 18 

SLAYER 
WRATH 3 

SLUDGE/FRANK HOAG 
UP 10/3-FB 
SLUDGE 1-FB 
SLUDGE 1 
SLUDGE 2 
BT 1 
SLUDGE 3 
BT 2 
SLUDGE 4 
SLUDGE 5 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE 11 
NIGHTMAN 12 
FIREARM 13 
FIREARM 14 
SLUDGE 12 
UP 8 
SLUDGE:RX 
UP 10/3 
UP 11/3 
PR:G 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 

SNOWDEN, AGENT 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 12 

SOLITAIRE/NICHOLAS LONE 
SOLITAIRE 2-FB 
UDF 1 /2-FB 
SOLITAIRE 11-FB 
SOLITAIRE 3-FB 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
SOLITAIRE 11-FB 
SOLITAIRE 4-FB 
UDF 1 /2-FB 
SOLITAIRE 1 
SOLITAIRE 2 
BT 1 
SOLITAIRE 2 
BT 2 
SOLITAIRE 3 
SOLITAIRE 4 
HARDCASE 8/2 
SOLITAIRE 4 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 6 
SOLITAIRE 7 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 
SOLITAIRE 10 
SOLITAIRE 11 
SOLITAIRE 12 
UDF 1/2 
PRIME2 6 
PRIME2 7 
PRIME2 8 

SPECIMEN-13/MIKEY CROMWELL 
ULTRAF2 10 
ULTRAF2 11 

SPECTRAL/DAVID CASTIGLIONE 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 3~HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 11 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
STRANGERS 20 
STRANGERS 15 
STRANGERS 17 
PRIME 21 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 

SPICE 
SOLITAIRE 1 
SOLITAIRE 5-FB 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 6 
SOLITAIRE 8 
SOLITAIRE 9 
SOLITAIRE 10 

SPORTSMAN/EDWIN MOSLEY 
FIREARM 2 
FIREARM 3 
FIREARM 4 
BT 1 
FIREARM 4 
FIREARM 16-FB 
FIREARM 17 
CODEFIRE 0-BTS 
CODEFIRE 4 
CODEFIRE 5 

STARBURST/LINDA WARREN 
HARDCASE 10-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 1-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 1 /2-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 2-FB 
UZ 2/2-FB 
UZ 3-FB 
UZ 4-FB-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
UP 0/3 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB~HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB~UZ 4-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 1-FB 
UZ 4-FB 
HARDCASE 13-FB~UZ 4-FB 
PRIME 1-FB-BTS 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 9 
HARDCASE 14 
PRIME @1-BTS 
PRIME @1 /2 
UZ 1/2 
UZ 1 
UZ 2 
UZ 3 
UZ 4 

STRAND 
UP 2 
UP 3/2 

STREAKBACK 
CODEFIRE 

Last edited by Dhall on 27 Nov 2006 08:59 pm; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: 26 Nov 2006 08:17 pm    
By SeanCurtin

Dhall wrote: 
>>>
BLACK KNIGHT V/DANE WHITMAN 
[...] 
**ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF 12 
ULTRAU 2 
<<<

That should be ULTRAF2 12 here, not ULTRAF 12. The same is also true for the chronologies of Siena Blaze and the Reaper. 


Quote: 
>>>
**JOLT/KYI 
SIREN 1 
SIREN 2 
SIREN 3 
<<<

Note: This listing should push back Jolt to Jolt II, and Jolt II to Jolt III. 


For the curious, this character is in fact an Earth-616 character, so he should be listed first in the regular entries, even if the Ultraverse characters are releated to their own separate page. 

Quote: 
LIZARD 
[...] 
ASMSS 1/3 
PPTSSSS 1/3 
WOSMSS 1/3 
**PRIMEI-FB 
**PRIMEI 
**PRIME2 1 
**PRIME2 2 
 


The Lizard who appears in all of these issues is actually the Lizard II, according to PPTSS 238. 

-Sean

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Posted: 26 Nov 2006 11:22 pm    
By Dhall

Thanks Sean, good catch on the Ultraf2 code. 

Quote: 
>>>
The Lizard who appears in all of these issues is actually the Lizard II, according to PPTSS 238.  
<<<


In Prime Infinity, Lizard is in custody, and Prime accidently flies into the helicopter he is being transported into. Also, Spider-Man talks like he believes this is Doc Connors. 

"Dr. Connors, I know there's still a human being in there somewhere." 

Now, I know nothing about Lizard vs. Lizard II, so I can only report on what I've seen.

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Posted: 26 Nov 2006 11:32 pm    
By Somebody

Spider-Man (well, Spider-Men) only learned about the Two Lizards in the aforementioned Spectacular Spider-Man arc.

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Posted: 26 Nov 2006 11:39 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Dave, 

Did you reach the post limit, or are there no Ultraverse characters beyond the letter S? 


watching: 24

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Posted: 27 Nov 2006 04:44 am    
By Somebody

Pretty certain he hit the post limit, since he mentions "7) There is a key at the very bottom of this list, which explains what codes I used for the list. ", which isn't there, natch.

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Posted: 27 Nov 2006 06:52 am    
By Dhall

must have hit the post limit.... 


STRAUSS, EDGAR 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 5 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 19 
MANTRA 20 

STUMMP 
ULTRAU 2 

SUGAR 
SOLITAIRE 10 

SUNSHINE 
MANTRA 10 
MANTRA 11 
MANTRA 14 

SUPRA 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 

SUPREME SOVIET/FYODOR TOSTOVICH 
EX 1 
EX 3 

SWAN, ELLEN 
FIREARM 5 
FIREARM 12 
FIREARM 13 
FIREARM 15 
FIREARM 17 
CODEFIRE 5/2 

SWEET-FACE/ANGELA SALAZAR 
FREEX 9-FB 
FREEX 2-FB 
FREEX 2-FB 
FREEX 1 
FREEX 2 
FREEX 3 
PRIME 8/2 
FLOOD 
FREEX 4 
FREEX 5 
BT 1 
FREEX 6 
NIGHTMAN 3 
BT 2 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
FREEX 7 
FREEX 8 
FREEX 9 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
PRIME 13/2 
GSFREEX 1 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
UP 9/3-FB 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 15 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 15 
NIGHTMAN 14 
FIREARM 15 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
FREEX 18 
HARDCASE 21 

SWENSON, HENRY 
ELVEN 1-FB 
ELVEN 1-FB 
ELVEN 1 

SYBIL 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 9 

TABOO/PAUL NTUMBO 
STRANGERS 23 
STRANGERS 24 
EX2 11 

TANTALUS 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 9 


TARK, JOSHUA 
WARSTRIKE 5 

TARTAN, COMISSONER 
NIGHTMAN 13 

TAVON, LORD 
LP/NM 1 
LP/NM 2 

TECH/LELA CHO 
SOLUTION 6-FB 
SOLUTION 7-FB 
SOLUTION 8-FB 
SOLUTION 0 
SOLUTION 1 
SOLUTION 2 
SOLUTION 3 
SOLUTION 3 ~ HARDCASE 7 
HARDCASE 7 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
HARDCASE 8 
SOLUTION 5-FB 
HARDCASE 12 
HARDCASE 13 
HARDCASE 14 
SOLUTION 6 
SOLUTION 7 
SOLUTION 8 
SOLUTION 9 
SOLUTION 10 
SOLUTION 11 
SOLUTION 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 
NIGHTMAN 12 ~ SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13 ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13 
SOLUTION 13-BTS ~ NIGHTMAN 12 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 13 ~ GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLUTION 13 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
PROTOTYPE 14-FB 
SOLUTION 15 
SOLUTION 16 
SOLUTION 17 
HARDCASE 24 
UP 11 
PR:R 

TEKNIGHT 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 

TEKNIGHT II/LANCE 
NIGHTMAN 11 
NIGHTMAN 12 
GSPROTOTYPE 1-FB 
SOLUTION 13 
SOLITAIRE 10 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
NIGHTMAN 13 

TEKNIGHT III/THEODORIC 
NIGHTMAN @1-FB 
NIGHTMAN 11-FB 
NIGHTMAN @1-FB 
NIGHTMAN 11-FB 
NIGHTMAN @1-FB 
NIGHTMAN 11-FB 
NIGHTMAN 10 
NIGHTMAN 11 
NIGHTMAN 12 
GSPROTOTYPE 1-FB 
SOLUTION 13 
SOLITAIRE 10 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
NIGHTMAN 13 
NIGHTMAN @1-FB 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 

TEMBLOR 
MANTRA 23 

THORN BOY 
FOXFIRE 1 

TINSEL 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 3 
EX 4 

TOPAZ 
ULTRAF 2-FB 
AOD 1-FB 
GSMANTRA 1-FB 
GSMANTRA 1/2 
MANTRA 13 
ULTRAF 1 
ULTRAF 2 
ULTRAF 3 
ULTRAF 4 
ULTRAF 5 
ULTRAF 6 
ULTRAF 8 
ULTRAF 9 
MANTRA 24 
ULTRAF 10 
U/AP 
A/U 
U/A 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
ULTRAF2 2/2 
PR:G 
PR:R 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 2 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 
ULTRAF2 8-FB 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 9 
ULTRAF2 10 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 
ULTRAF2 14 
ULTRAF2 15 

TORSO 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 14 

TRAHERN, AGNES 
SLUDGE 2 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 

TRAUMA 
HARDCASE 19 
HARDCASE 22 

TRAVERS, BEN 
FIREARM 1 
FIREARM 2 
FIREARM 7-FB 
FIREARM 9-FB 

TRAX/JUDD SHEPARD 
FLOOD 
EX 1 
EX 2 
EX 4 


TROUBLE/ KARL MORRIS 
HARDCASE 22-FB 
HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 6 
HARDCASE 7 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4 
BT 2 
HARDCASE 8 
HARDCASE 20 
HARDCASE 22 

TSENG 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 8 
SLUDGE 9 

TSU 
ELIM 1-FB 
UP 10 
ELIM 0 
ELIM 1 

TULATH 
FREEX 17 

TUGUN 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 6 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 24 
EX2 11 

TURBOCHARGE/MICHAEL HARDAWAY 
PRIME 16 
PRIME 17 
PRIME 18 
PRIME 19 
PRIME 21 
PRIME 22 
PRIME 23 
PRIME 24 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 25~POP 1 
PRIME 25 
PRIME 26 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
PRIME2 1 
PRIME2 2 
PRIME2 3 
PRIME2 9 
PRIME2 10 

TURF/JOHN BECKMAN 
UZ 1-FB 
HARDCASE 9-FB 
HARDCASE 20 

TWO-FINGER 
RUNE 7-FB 
RUNE 7 

TYBURN, CAPTAIN 
FOXFIRE 1 
FOXFIRE 3-FB 

TYRANNOSAUR/TRYONE 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 6 
NIGHTMAN 11 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 

U-016 
UZ 2/2-FB 
UZ 2/2 

U-587 
CURSE 2-FB 

VAN MORRIS, MARKIE 
MANTRA 4/2 
RUNE 1 
RUNE 2 

VAN MORRIS, MARKIE II 
RUNE 5 
GSRUNE 1 
RUNE 8 
RUNE 9 
CURSE 1 
CURSE 2 

VEFFIR VOON IYAX 
SLUDGE 4 

VEIL/MARJORIE FREDERICKS 
PROTOTYPE 0/3-FB 
PROTOTYPE 0 
PROTOTYPE 1 
MANTRA 7/2 
FLOOD 
PROTOTYPE 2 
PROTOTYPE 3 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
PROTOTYPE 6 
PROTOTYPE 7 
PROTOTYPE 8 
PROTOTYPE 9 
PROTOTYPE 12 
GSPROTOTYPE 1 
SOLITAIRE 10 

VELVET FIST 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 

VENUS 
SOLITAIRE 5 
SOLITAIRE 10 

VINAIGRETTE 
SLUDGE 10 
SLUDGE 11 
FIREARM 14 

WADDELL 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3 
NIGHTMAN 8 
NIGHTMAN 9 
NIGHTMAN 10 
NIGHTMAN 13 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 

WAGNER,SALLY 
NIGHTMAN 4 

WALKER, MRS. 
MANTRA 13 
MANTRA2 1 
MANTRA2 2 
MANTRA2 4 

WAR EAGLE 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
HARDCASE 10 
HARDCASE 11 
HARDCASE 12 

WARSTRIKE/ STRIKE/ BRANDON TARK 
UP 3/3 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 2 
MANTRA 3 
MANTRA 4 
MANTRA 5 
BT 1 
BT 2 
MANTRA 8 
WARSTRIKE 1-FB 
UP 1 /2 
UP 2 
UP 3/2 
WARSTRIKE 1 
WARSTRIKE 2 
WARSTRIKE 3 
WARSTRIKE 4 
PROTOTYPE 13 
WARSTRIKE 5 
PROTOTYPE 13 
WARSTRIKE 5 
PROTOTYPE 13 
WARSTRIKE 5 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 8 
UP 8/4 
WRATH 9 
MANTRA 17 
WARSTRIKE 6 
WARSTRIKE 7 
GSWARSTRIKE 1 
GSWARSTRIKE 1 /2 
GODWHEEL 0 
GODWHEEL 1 
GODWHEEL 2 
GODWHEEL 3 
EXI 
EX2 1 
EXVX 0 
PR:R 
EX2 2 
EX2 3 
EX2 4 
SIRENSP 1 
EX2 5 
EX2 6 
EX2 7 
EX2 8 
EX2 9 
EX2 10 
EX2 11 
ULTRAF2 11 
ULTRAF2 12 
ULTRAU 2 
ULTRAF2 13 

WAVER 
FREEX 10 
FREEX 11 
UP 6/4 
FREEX 12 
FREEX 13 
FREEX 14 
FREEX 16 
FREEX 17 
FREEX 18 

WELLS, NATHANIEL GIZ 
WARSTRIKE 1 
WARSTRIKE 2 
WARSTRIKE 3 
WARSTRIKE 4 
WARSTRIKE 5 
WARSTRIKE 7 
EX2 5-BTS 

WEST, BUZZY 
PROTOTYPE 3 

WHALE, GARETT 
SLUDGE 5-FB 
SLUDGE 5-FB 
SLUDGE 5 
WHIPSLASH | FUTURE 
UFS 1 
ULTRAF2 8 
ULTRAF2 9 
UFS 1-BTS 
UFS 1 

WHISTLER/GARRISON WHISTLER 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
ULTRAF2 5-FB 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 

WICCA/ STEFFI 
POP 1 
POP 2 
POP 3 
POP 4 
PRIME2 9 

WING, KEN 
NIGHTMAN 10-FB 
NIGHTMAN 10 

WITCH HUNTER/ANGEL OF DESTRUCTION/MARIA DE LORENTTI 
WH 1-FB 
WH 1 
AOD 1 

WRATH/ THOMAS HUNTER 
PROTOTYPE 3 
PROTOTYPE 4 
BT 1 
BT 2 
WRATH 1 
WRATH 2 
WRATH 3 
WRATH 4 
WRATH 5 
WRATH 6-FB 
WRATH 6 
WRATH 7 
GSWRATH 1 
WRATH 8 
UP 8/4 
WRATH 9 

WRATH II/GREG TUNNEY 
MANTRA2 2 
MANTRA2 3 
MANTRA2 4 
MANTRA2 5 

WRECKAGE/ JACK PROSPER 
ULTRAF2 3-FB 
ULTRAF2 1 
ULTRAF2 2 
ULTRAF2 3 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF/SM 1A 
ULTRAF/SM 1A=1B 
ULTRAF2 4 
EX2 4 
ULTRAF2 5 
ULTRAF2 6 
ULTRAF2 7 

WYNN 
HARDCASE 13 
UP 7/2-FB 
UP 9 

XHENG, HARK 
SOLUTION 1 

XOA 
UP 3/2 

XOR 
SOLUTION 0 

XORN 
UP 7/2 
UP 8/2 
UP 9 

XUCHIT 
STRANGERS 12-FB 

YARDARM 
STRANGERS 1-BTS 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 18 

YARON 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 19-FB 
MANTRA 1 
MANTRA 3 

YARR 
SOLUTION 0 

YATES 
NIGHTMAN 4/2 
FIREARM 6 
FIREARM 17 

YEE, GALE 
NIGHTMAN 10-FB 
NIGHTMAN 10 
NIGHTMAN 21-FB 
STRANGERS 17 
NIGHTMAN 18 
NIGHTMAN 19 
NIGHTMAN 20 
NIGHTMAN 21 
NIGHTMAN 23 
NIGHTMAN2 1-FB 
NIGHTMAN2 2 
NIGHTMAN2 3 
NIGHTMAN2 4 
NMG 1 
NMG 2 
NMG 3 

YMAI 
STRANGERS 12-FB 

YRIAL 
UP 0/2 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 3~HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 
BT 1 
SOLUTION 4-FB 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
STRANGERS 15 
STRANGERS 16 
STRANGERS 17 
ULTRAF 2 
STRANGERS 17 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 23 
STRANGERS 24 

YU, WONG TEN 
SLUDGE 6 
SLUDGE 7 
SLUDGE 9 


YUN, KWAN 
SOLUTION 8-FB 
SOLUTION 14 
SOLUTION 16-BTS 
SOLUTION 17 

ZANE, ANGELIQUE OFFICER 
RUNE2 3 
RUNE2 6 
RUNE2 7 

ZARA 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN 14 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 

ZIP-ZAP/LEON BALFORD 
STRANGERS 1 
STRANGERS 2 
STRANGERS 3-FB 
STRANGERS 3 
STRANGERS 3~HARDCASE 3 
HARDCASE 4 
STRANGERS 4 
FLOOD 
STRANGERS 5 
STRANGERS 6 
BT 1 
PROTOTYPE 5 
STRANGERS 7 
BT 2 
PRIME 8-FB 
PROTOTYPE 6-FB 
STRANGERS 8 
STRANGERS 9 
STRANGERS 10 
STRANGERS 11 
STRANGERS 12 
STRANGERS 13 
MANTRA 12 
STRANGERS 20 
STRANGERS 15 
STRANGERS 16 
STRANGERS 17 
ULTRAF 2 
STRANGERS 17 
PRIME 21 
STRANGERS 18 
NIGHTMAN @1 
STRANGERS @1 
STRANGERS 19 
STRANGERS 21 
STRANGERS 22 
STRANGERS 24 
PR:G 
PRIME2 10 

ZOTHROS 
UP 11 
ELIM 0 


KEY: 
AOD ANGELS OF DESTRUCTION 1 
A/U AVENGERS/ULTRAFORCE 1 (Already in key) 
BSI BLACK SEPTEMBER INFINITY 
BT BREAK-THRU 1-2 
CODEFIRE CODENAME: FIREARM 0-5 
CONAN CONAN (1995) #4 
CTS CONAN THE SAVAGE (1995) #4 
CURSE CURSE OF RUNE 1-4 
CVR CONAN VS. RUNE 1 
ELIM ELIMINATOR 0-3 
ELVEN ELVEN 0-4 
EX EXILES 1-4 
EX2 ALL-NEW EXILES 1-11 (Already in key) 
EXI EXILES INFINITY (Already in key) 
EXVX EXILES VS. X-MEN 0 (Already in key) 
FIREARM FIREARM 0-18 
FLOOD FLOOD RELIEF 1 
FOXFORE FOXFIRE 1-4 (Already in key) 
FREEX FREEX 1-18 
GODWHEEL GODWHEEL 0-3 
GSFREEX GIANT SIZE FREEX 1 
GSMANTRA GIANT SIZE MANTRA 1 
GSPROTOTYPE GIANT SIZE PROTOTYPE 1 
GSRUNE GIANT SIZE RUNE 1 
GSWARSTRIKE GIANT SIZE WARSTRIKE 1 
GSWRATH GIANT SIZE WRATH 1 
HARDCASE HARDCASE 1-26 
HARDCASE:PE HARDCASE PREMIERE EDITION 
LP/NM LORD PUMPKIN/NECROMANTRA 1-4 
MANTRA MANTRA 1-24 
MANTRA2 MANTRA VOL.2 1-7 (Already in key) 
MANTRAI MANTRA INFINITY 
MANTRASOD MANTRA: SPEAR OF DESTINTY 1-2 
NIGHTMAN THE NIGHT MAN 1-23, @1 
NIGHTMAN2 NIGHT MAN VOL.2 1-4 (Already in key) 
NIGHTMANI NIGHT MAN INFINITY 
NMG NIGHT MAN/GAMBIT 1-3 (Already in key) 
NMVW NIGHT MAN VS. WOLVERINE 0 (Already in key) 
POP POWER OF PRIME 1-4 
PR PHOENIX RESSURECTION 0 (Already in key) 
PR:G PHOENIX RESSURECTION: GENESIS 1 (Already in key) 
PR:R PHOENIX RESSURECTION: REVELATIONS 1 (Already in key) 
PR:A PHOENIX RESSURECTION: AFTERMATH 1 
PRIME PRIME 1-26, @1 
PRIME2 PRIME VOL.2 1-15 (Already in key) 
PRIMEI PRIMEINFINITY 
P/CA PRIME/CAPTAIN AMERICA 1 
PVH PRIME VS. HULK 0 
PROTOTYPE PROTOTYPE 0-18 
PUMP LORD PUMPKIN 0 
RIPFIRE RIPFIRE 0 
RUNE RUNE 1-9 
RUNE2 RUNE VOL.2 1-7 
RHOD RUNE: HEARTS OF DARKNESS 1-3 
RUNEI RUNE INFINITY 
RUNE/SS RUNE/SILVER SURFER 1 
RVV RUNE VS. VENOM 1 (Already in key) 
SIREN SIREN 1-3 (Already in key) 
SIRENI SIREN INFINITY 
SIRENSP 1 SIREN SPECIAL 1 
SLUDGE SLUDGE 1-12 
SLUDGE:RX SLUDGE RED X-MAS 1 
SOLITAIRE SOLITAIRE 1-12 
SOLUTION THE SOLUTION 0-17 
STRANGERS THE STRANGERS 1-24, @1 
ULTRAF ULTRAFORCE (already in key) 0A,0B,1-10 
ULTRAF2 ULTRAFORCE VOL.2 1-15 (Already in key) 
ULTRAF INFINITY ULTRAFORCE INFINTY (NOT IN KEY, BUT mistakenly in Black Knights listing) 
ULTRAF/SM ULTRAFORCE/SPIDER-MAN 1A,1B 
UFS ULTRAVERSE: FUTURE SHOCK 
ULTRAU ULTRAVERSE UNLIMITED 1-2 (In key, mistakenly as Ultraforce Unlimited Please change this.) 
UDF ULTRAVERSE DOUBLE FEATURE 1 
U/AP ULTRAFORCE/AVEMGERS PRELUDE 1 (Already in key) 
U/A ULTRAFORCE/AVENGERS 1 (Already in key) 
UP ULTRAVERSE PREMIERE 1-11 
UZ ULTRAVERSE ZERO: THE DEATH OF THE SQUAD 1-4 
WARSTRIKE WARSTRIKE 1-7 
WH WITCH HUNTER 1 
WRATH WRATH 1-9

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Posted: 27 Nov 2006 09:00 pm    
By Dhall

Just a note to say that I've updated the above listings, to reflect the change to Lizard II, and to note the ULTRAF 12, s/b changed to ULTRAF2 12 in a few listings. 

Dave

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Thread 28

Posted: 10 Nov 2006 01:58 pm    Post subject: Jessica Jones
By rhod

I've only read the first TPB of Alias, and no Pulse, so hopefully someone can clear this up for me: 

Jessica Jones is listed as 'nee Cambell' in the MCP. This means that she was bron Jessica Cambell, and then married someone named Jones. 
So why did she have to ask her mother if she was related to Rick Jones in Alias 7? Surely if she was only a Jones by marriage she would know?
_________________
"What no ten-dollar words? No witty repartee? Aren't you gonna do anything other than bleed?" - Victor Creed XF125

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 02:07 pm    
By Somebody

Completely unhelpfully, it could actually mean she was bron (sic) Jones, married someone called Cambell (sic?) and then divorced and reverted to her maiden name  

I have no idea, however, whether the above has any basis in fact.

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 02:19 pm 
By rhod

So the use of the nee would be incorrect? 
[Cambell is the spelling used in the MCP, bron was all my own error  ]
_________________
"What no ten-dollar words? No witty repartee? Aren't you gonna do anything other than bleed?" - Victor Creed XF125

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 03:52 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

rhod wrote: 
>>>
So the use of the nee would be incorrect? 
<<<

It would be, if Somebody's hypothesis is correct, but I doubt it. 

This isn't the system we use for married and maiden names. The listing indicates she was born a Cambell. Assuming that's correct, if she had married a Jones, she would be listed as Jessica Cambell Jones, not Jessica Jones (nee Cambell). 

Here's another hypothesis: Jessica was born Jessica Cambell, and was later adopted by the Jones family. 


watching: situation room

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 04:58 pm    
By Somebody

Wait a minute - you added the JJones listing, don't you know?

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 06:00 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Somebody wrote: 
>>>
Wait a minute - you added the JJones listing, don't you know? 
<<<

Nope. Since a character's name has nothing to do with their chronologies, whether they're adopted (or married, or whatever) or not holds no importance to me. 


watching: lou dobbs

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 09:38 pm    
By jephyork
Director

I'll confirm the adoption hypothesis. Jessica Campbell's family was killed in the same car/radioactive materials accident that gave her her powers. She was adopted by a family named Jones, who legally changed her name. 

-Jeph!

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Posted: 10 Nov 2006 11:24 pm    
By JLH

Interesting. And here I thought her birth name was Mary Sue! 

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Posted: 11 Nov 2006 04:16 am   
By rhod

Thanks Jeph!
_________________
"What no ten-dollar words? No witty repartee? Aren't you gonna do anything other than bleed?" - Victor Creed XF125

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Thread 29

Posted: 10 Nov 2006 05:36 pm    Post subject: Question about Cole in Cable v2 #96
By wolframbane

Cole is a neanderthal who had been made immortal by a Deviant around the sinking of Atlantis (ca 18000 BC or 20000 years ago. The review of Cable v2 #96 in the Marvel Appendix mentions both this and that Cole was born ca 30000 BC. Does anyone have this issue available to confirm if the dates given is in error or which date was actually given. Thanks!!

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Posted: 11 Nov 2006 04:07 am    
By Peter Fabricius

I just looked through the issue, and Cole himself states that he was born about 30000 years ago, taken to Lemuria and given an experimental longevity treatment. 
Then he, and the two others given this treatment was to be observed for 5 years, to determine the effectiveness of the treatment. 
But Lemuria sank beneath the waves before then.
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Only three weeks on the job and already I live for seeing his forehead turn that shade of pink.

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Posted: 11 Nov 2006 08:35 pm    
By wolframbane

Thanks Peter. I was trying to fit the dates into my X-Men Timeline. The problem with Cole's dates are that if he was born 30000 years ago, but not made immortal until 20000 years ago (ca 18000 BC when Lemuria sank). Perhaps he was held in captivity for the first 10000 years in stasis, and merely believed he was held captive for 5 years. Another point of note is that Neanderthal's went extinct about 30000 BC, adding credibility to his claims.

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Thread 30

Posted: 19 Nov 2006 07:58 pm    Post subject: Marvel Novels
By Jason Doty

I was curious if any fans of the Marvel Novels has bothered trying to place them chronologically, even though they will not be considered by the MCP. I've started a preliminary list for my X-Men Novels and was curious if anyone wanted to help me with this.

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 12:10 am    
By Jason Doty

Administrator, is it o.k. to post synopses in the issue analyses forum to get help in getting these pros placed for my own personal use, since they do have to due with chronology as a whole?

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 01:06 am    
By ADMINISTRATOR

It's okay to post a chronological analysis of a novel in the Issue Analysis forum, but not a plot synopsis, unless you can boil it down to a little more than the blurb on the back cover. And even then, I don't know how that would help you place things in chronological order. 

I believe some of the later novels edited by Keith R.A. DeCandido already had chronologies, in the back. 

But again, to answer your question, if you can limit the discussion to chronological placements, rather than the events of the novel, I wouldn't consider it off-topic in the Issue Analysis forum. 


watching: dexter

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 07:56 am    
By Jason Doty

Yes, the X-Men Legends Anthology does tell where some of the stories fit chronologically compared to the comics, but some give issue ranges. Some of the other books do give a reading order for the books, but not in comparison to the comics, which is what I'm after. I'll post a short annalyses in that section.

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 10:13 am    
By ashram316

Are the novels canon? I was under the impression that they were not.

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 01:46 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Your impression is correct. 

From Jason's original post: 
>>>
I was curious if any fans of the Marvel Novels has bothered trying to place them chronologically, even though they will not be considered by the MCP. 
<<<


watching: hannah montana

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 02:24 pm    
By SKleefeld
Director

Administrator wrote: 
>>>
watching: hannah montana 
<<<

I've got this disturbing mental image now of Uatu half-asleep on a La-Z-Boy wearing nothing by a pair of boxers and drooling in front of the television. 

Thanks ever so much, Russ.

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Posted: 20 Nov 2006 03:58 pm    
By ADMINISTRATOR

Uatu never sleeps. 


watching: american justice
